1┃general

[sour wadi]

and not change at all

[karmic gust]

which doesnt make sense because 1. not every jewel is same power, 2. not every ascendnacy notable is same power, why are you comparing asc notables and not power of the jewels themselves

[proud gorge]

yes, and I'm talking about using the Delirium notable on this EHit build that currently uses five slayer notables, so relative to that I'd be losing two ascendancy notables

that's just true

[limpid spade]

... When did I say that was the case???

[soft perch]

duelist ele hit definitely has low value flesh/flames unless youre using azadis

[limpid spade]

I asked if GGG has mentioned anything. That's all

[ancient sorrel]

Am i idiot to try doing kf ballista impale champ ant not an elemental version?

[karmic gust]

it is, its just wrong comparison to make if that makes sense

[sour wadi]

oh well, it's safe to assume they are not doing nothing and the possible changes they could do are pretty narrow

[proud gorge]

again, I'm not saying anything about losing X amount of power, I'm purely saying I'm having to drop two ascendancy notables

[soft perch]

flesh flaming more slayer notables is not even good

[proud gorge]

to fit the Delirium node

[soft perch]

because theyre not that good

[proud gorge]

which is strictly true

[soft perch]

its not strictly true

because its barely worth doing in the first place

[haughty bloom]

every wannabe philosophical poe builder here should hush up and just go follow fubgun

[remote sparrow]

Ehh could be good if you can scale the impale enough but ele hit usually had more scaling vectors so is favored

[karmic gust]

true he invented strongboxes after all

[soft perch]

paying 2 jewel sockets for 20% more damage is not a good use of jewel sockets

[karmic gust]

god gamer

[cosmic reef]

LOL

[soft perch]

its like an average use of jewel sockets

[cosmic reef]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[proud gorge]

and yet it's still strictly true that you can have two less ascendancy notables if you take the Delirium node. This isn't a debate, that's just how the mechanics work. If you equip Kaom's Heart, you lose 6 gem sockets. You can argue that you gain more in a particular build from the chest than the 6 sockets were providing, but it's still losing 6 gem sockets no matter what.

[remote sparrow]

This is why most ppl can't make builds yah need to fail a few and learn from it and take the L and get better and not just copy "meta streamer build"

[karmic gust]

yea notice how you said gem sockets there and not something like you lost flameblast

[proud gorge]

"Oh you're not actually losing 6 gem sockets because the build doesn't really use those sockets well anyways" no you're still losing the 6 gem sockets, you can just afford to do so more easily

yes

[karmic gust]

but now you arre saying you lost flameblast

instaed of losing gem sockets

[proud gorge]

and notice how I keep saying "Ascendancy Notables"

[karmic gust]

which is why that comparison doesnt make sense

[proud gorge]

and not anything specific

because you very much do lose two ascendancy notables, you just can afford to do so

like

[soft perch]

when it costs 4 points, thats equivalent to a good cluster on the tree that youre paying however many divines for the flesh/flames

[karmic gust]

that is correct

[proud gorge]

this isn't a debate, there's no arguments to be had here, it's just strictly true by the mechanics of the game

[karmic gust]

because rare jewels usually give you similar amoutn but you also get life or es with it

[proud gorge]

again, the argument is that the notables aren't worth it, and that you gain more out of the Delirium notable and points elsewhere

and I agree on that point

but insisting that you're not actually losing ascendancy notables is just wrong

because it's strictly true that you are

[opal ingot]

i can't believe i don't have a mercenaries map tab

[soft perch]

you are losing the potential for ascendancy points that have an opportunity cost

are you happy now?

they are not free

[karmic gust]

yea as i said, its like saying you lost flameblast when equipping kaoms

instead of saying you lost gem sockets

and you are saying you lost flameblast

anyway doesnt matter

[proud gorge]

yes I'm aware, the entire start of this bullshit was me going "Oh hey, I'm going to adapt that Delirium node into this EHit build that currently goes 5 slayer notables, so I'll have to lose two ascendancy notables for the delirium node"

[soft perch]

you dont need the 5 slayer notables in the first place

[proud gorge]

and then getting "erm actually you're not losing two ascendancy notables"

[remote sparrow]

This feels like you are all agreeing but not hearing each other

[proud gorge]

which is strictly false, because in this case yes I am

[cosmic reef]

its a ragebait contest

[proud gorge]

Splaff arguing for the sake of arguing

over something that is strictly true

[ancient sorrel]

Was talking about kf elemental dmg version, not EH ^^

[proud gorge]

literally not hearing the words I'm saying and substituting a strawman in his own mind

[remote sparrow]

Tbh you are one shouting loudest but I digress

[karmic gust]

well im arguing because making comparisons like that is not how you properly determine opportunity cost

[soft perch]

my argument comes from evaluating things by opportunity cost

which is a far more useful way of seeing the game

[karmic gust]

and determining opportunity cost correctly is important for actually optimizing builds

[dark shoal]

Now kiss

[proud gorge]

yeah and I'm not arguing about power or opportunity cost, I literally just stated the objectively true fact that I'm going to have to drop two ascendancy notables to fit the Delirium notable, and got "erm actually you're wrong"

fuck off

[remote sparrow]

Ok cool anyway move on

[soft perch]

@remote sparrow btw i have a pob for u

[proud gorge]

you're so hungry for the chance to "correct" people that you don't even read what I'm saying before arguing

[karmic gust]

i mean the reason why this even started was opportunity cost of deli node

nothing else

[proud gorge]

and when I repeatedly state that I'm not arguing that point, that I'm just stating an objectively true fact and not a debate, I get repeated "no you're wrong, I'm right, you're just dumb"

[cosmic reef]

https://tenor.com/view/swordfish-hack-hacker-funny-gif-19079280

[karmic gust]

ok so then you are the one arguing for no reason right

[proud gorge]

again, the only thing I'm apparently "arguing" is that I'm not actually making the point that you're trying to argue against

which I'm kind of pissed about because I'm getting "argued" against for something I didn't say and getting ignored when I try to clarify that I'm not arguing it

[haughty bloom]

block all anime pfp users theyre nothing but trouble

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/car-crash-cat-i'm-just-a-girl-just-a-girl-driving-gif-4706692043219972891

[glass quarry]

Am I misunderstanding the changes? Is multiple projectiles the only one now, or is it replacing lmp and there's still a gmp?

[soft perch]

gmp still exists

[proud gorge]

and yeah, I get kind of pissed at people not listening to the words I'm saying and arguing against a false point that they've put in my mouth

[karmic gust]

lmp was just renamed

[glass quarry]

ah ok

cool, worried for a sec there

[proud gorge]

literally the only change is that LMP is now called Multiple Projectiles since there's now some rules associated with Greater support gems and their non-Greater counterparts

it's still available in Act 4

only difference is you now can't stack it with LMP

[karmic gust]

well ok but whats the point of repeatedly talking about losing 2 asc nodes when we are talking about opportunity cost

like whats there to discuss other than to actually talk about real opportunity cost

[proud gorge]

I literally just said "hmm, okay I'll have to drop an ascendancy for this Delirium node", then "oh wait because I can't take FF I'll have to drop two ascendancy nodes actually"

that's literally what I said

and then you put a point I wasn't making into my mouth and interpreted it as an argument

[karmic gust]

yea and so then we just said what is the real opportunity cost and you kept going about 2 asc notables

[proud gorge]

yes

[karmic gust]

when thats not relevant at that point no

so why

[proud gorge]

because that's strictly true and what I was saying

[sage falcon]

insert yap levels: catastrophic gif

[ancient sorrel]

Any feedback on the new alt CF?

[proud gorge]

that's literally all I said the entire time, that I'm not arguing anything about opportunity cost, I'm literally just saying I literally have to drop two ascendancy notables

[cosmic reef]

Forbidden flame has no opportunity cost there's sources of 20% more damage all over the tree for just 4 passive points.

[proud gorge]

I said that repeatedly

that that's just objectively a true fact

[opal ingot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/354595996942073857/1082434682890768474/ezgif-3-af1195d740.gif

[soft perch]

ur average build gets 15% more damage for 4 points very easily what are u even saying

[cosmic reef]

lol

[soft perch]

objectively true btw

the only exceptions are bad scaling builds like noncrit and some other shit

[thick goblet]

yeah 4% per node is very reasonable

[soft perch]

have u ever opened path of building before

[cosmic reef]

link a pob then Einstein

[karmic gust]

not sure if you are bringing this up just to make ppl fun of you or whats this

because you can literally open pob

[soft perch]

if scaling on tree starts to get bad people diversify into cluster jewels

[dusky urchin]

Like if

[civic charm]

Do we know for holy strike if those minions kill something will it be attributed to the player?

[proud gorge]

in terms of damage investment you usually end up around 3.5-4% towards the end, purely on tree

cluster jewels change the math a bit

[cosmic reef]

L ragebait

[soft perch]

shouldnt

theyre minions

[crystal talon]

no. it would be the minion's kill if they die from the minion's hit

[civic charm]

Damn. That skill is bait

[soft perch]

idk about bait

im just not sure if its great

[civic charm]

How you gonna solve clear on it?

[soft perch]

its perfectly playable

[karmic gust]

i bet it doesnt even scale with player attack speed

[proud gorge]

they count as minions for all purposes, so it works exactly like minions, eg Animate Weapon of Self Reflection

[civic charm]

It does scale with player attack speed

[karmic gust]

even zombies of falling are limited to their attack time right

[cosmic reef]

link a pob then Einstein

[karmic gust]

so not like they can just magically make minion limits go away

i mean maybe then can but

🤷‍♂️

[crystal talon]

You just gotta scale both your attack speed and minion attack speed

[civic charm]

You just scale your own

It hits when you hit

[soft perch]

nice ur post history is just all ragebait

[civic charm]

1 for 1

[real spoke]

from the video it looked like the minions all attack at the same time/rate you do but idk

[crystal talon]

it is like reaper of eviscerating

[soft perch]

how bored/miserable are you

[karmic gust]

yea, i think it will be like focsued ballista basically except more annoying

[cosmic reef]

link a pob then Einstein

[karmic gust]

but same level bait in how it was showcased :d

[opal ingot]

goodbye

[soft perch]

o7

[civic charm]

My thing is the clear. If I want explode I need an AG with gravebind

[cosmic reef]

? this pob

[civic charm]

Or I gotta wear gravebind

[crystal talon]

If your cast speed is too high with reaper of eviscerating the reaper will miss attacks

[opal ingot]

oriath end

[karmic gust]

which is like fine but at that point the hit part is downside basically always not upside

so hopefully the minion are strong

[crystal talon]

just be based. play champ. click banners

[proud gorge]

I mean, they theoretically could by just giving it an insanely high base attack speed, such that it always has an attack available when you attack

[civic charm]

Oriath effects minions?

[opal ingot]

oh

idk

[proud gorge]

but that could get weird

[karmic gust]

yea i guess so, as its not limited to same base as you unlike focused

but then you would still have breakpoints kinda

[opal ingot]

i hope next league i get my twilight strand unique

[proud gorge]

just farm Oni

[civic charm]

If the attack speed is caped on holy strike it's def dead on arrival

[proud gorge]

you'll get a decent number of other uniques along the way

[civic charm]

Need that 12 attacks per second

[real spoke]

But if the APS is same as yours...

[civic charm]

Also holy strike I think will only spawn 1 armament when bossing. Because 1 hit 1 weapon

[proud gorge]

I mean, you'd just also scale minion attack speed. It's a very strong attacking skill if you can make it work, it just has some weird minion-based scalings.

[remote sparrow]

Sounds good dm me I am at work and can't deep dive rn

[real spoke]

Worms:

[crystal talon]

no

it is a duration minion

[proud gorge]

It'll also definitely work very well alongside the new Hallowing Flame stuff

[civic charm]

It expires when it hits no?

[proud gorge]

since they always attack alongside you

[crystal talon]

no

[proud gorge]

so you'll inflict one and then consume it on every attack

[crystal talon]

Did you not watch any of the gameplay video?

[civic charm]

Looking at the video it looks like they disappeared when it hit

[soft perch]

they dont

they have a duration

[civic charm]

And then resummoned

[proud gorge]

the Holy Strike armaments do not disappear when they hit

Hallowing Flame is consumed on hit

[civic charm]

Ah so they just were resummoning

[cosmic reef]

you have one instance of 3.1% per point avaliable, and two instances of 2.5 per point avaliable.
How are you coming up with 5% per point being a waste of points

[proud gorge]

and yeah, Hallowing Flame with Holy Strike will probably be busted

especially on Guardian

[karmic gust]

well if it has like 1 max stack then only one of them will getit right

[proud gorge]

guardian gets two max stacks, but yeah

[karmic gust]

or idk what happens when ti happens at ocne

[soft perch]

cluster jewels exist lol

[stoic horizon]

nah, hallowing flame is bait

[soft perch]

if i was gonna spend divines on flesh/flames id diversify into better clusters

[hard cliff]

ok Richie rich

[proud gorge]

a lot of the synergy with Hallowed Flame seems to come from just consuming it rapidly

which Holy Strike can very easily do

[soft perch]

build also has no watchers eye or anything rly

[ancient sorrel]

Isnt alt CF straight worse than regular one?
Cant see the gem angle

[proud gorge]

Hallowing Flame is literally just free damage on Holy Strike

[cosmic reef]

watchers eye wont give 10% more damage

[proud gorge]

and lots of it, assuming you're using a phys weapon and converting to elemental

[stoic horizon]

yeah but you are using a support or an ascendacy node to add 25% of phys as extra fire to one of 3 minions

[proud gorge]

the ascendancy node also gives you 80% phys as extra lightning

[soft perch]

thats crazy cuz this 1 mod watchers eye gives more than 10%

[stoic horizon]

to you

[karmic gust]

its just stronger dot skill

[soft perch]

💀

[karmic gust]

weaker hit skill

and thats it right

[stoic horizon]

you dont want to scale your own dmg on holy strike

[proud gorge]

Yeah? Holy Strike still deals damage

[cosmic reef]

skills not in this build Einstine

[karmic gust]

with faster moving chilling ground

[proud gorge]

you do both

[ancient sorrel]

Only 1proj too

[stoic horizon]

if you scale your own dmg just go for a different strike skill at that point

[gritty garnet]

yeah no shotgunning

[proud gorge]

it's exactly like the Absolution/Herald of Purity builds

[karmic gust]

well that doesnt matter if you are cold dot and are using it for single target

as the dot grounds dont stack anyway

[proud gorge]

you scale minion damage and also benefit from it yourself

so you're attacking and your minions are also attacking

[modern zinc]

I need help

I need to play poe

[proud gorge]

there's already plenty of builds that work exactly like that in the game

[cosmic reef]

dude if you need that pen just equip a cluster

[proud gorge]

it's just that they're getting a lot of buffs this league

[stoic horizon]

it just doesnt sound good, and scaling both yourself and minions is bait

[proud gorge]

since they were alright but underperforming

[livid quarry]

holy im so cooked i dunno how i got fortify in old build but i checked in game and somehow im getting it

[soft perch]

damn, so youre saying i can use points to get efficient damage

thats wild

full circle ig

[proud gorge]

again, you can scale both yourself and your minions basically for free

[cosmic reef]

paying 2 jewel sockets for 20% more damage is not a good use of jewel sockets

[proud gorge]

with the setup you're going for

[dusty mesa]

This’ll help you since you’re a new player

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbpExg9_Xax0CBArrOJXpgXFdQ14F89Cu&si=jJQP8jSn6grsjsF1

A lot of fundamentals to cover

[ancient sorrel]

Yeah idk, its 20% more dit 20% less hit, only 1 proj skill with a ms buff: feels empty sadly

[cosmic reef]

who tf are you are you 12 years old

[crystal talon]

Honestly I'm rooting for justin here. Praying for the downfall of the people arguing with him 🙏

[soft perch]

is it because one of them is me

[proud gorge]

side note, here's a secret about Hallowing Flame and Holy Strike. If you link Hallowing Flame support, not only do you inflict Hallowing Flame on hit, every minion also inflicts Hallowing Flame on hit to be consumed by the next minion in line, or you on your next attack.

[soft perch]

you also waste a support of holy strike on hallowing flame

[crystal talon]

Notloc more so.

[dusty mesa]

Your mom didn’t care about my age

[stoic horizon]

read the support gem again please

[livid quarry]

https://pobb.in/3ok7tuu6YX5o how am i getting fortify

[soft perch]

ok honestly im rooting for justin too now

[void oar]

[dusty mesa]

Hey I never argued with him

[cosmic reef]

you're a fucking weirdo

[raw cove]

Hullo. We can debate about gems or whatever, but lets keep it normal here folks

[soft perch]

chest implicit or fortify cluster or fortify mastery

[soft perch]

u have fortify implicit on chest

[livid quarry]

oh

god dman lol

[soft perch]

🫡

[livid quarry]

thx

[dusty mesa]

He can’t keep up

[civic charm]

I thought it said that minions couldn't inflict hallowing flame ?

[void oar]

Someone tell me why starting holy hammers is a terrible plan.

[proud gorge]

ah, I hadn't really read through the gems yet, that's disappointing

[soft perch]

its not terrible, it looks fine enough ig

[proud gorge]

you'd need some better source of Hallowing Flame on minion hit then

[soft perch]

i dont think its particularly great tho

[proud gorge]

somehow

[proud gorge]

not sure how to get one

maybe one of the uniques?

[stoic horizon]

by the dmg numbers it looks like fancy sunder with better clear

[split pagoda]

just letting you know this is not the sarcastic own you think it is xdd

[livid quarry]

u wish u were as cool as me

[split pagoda]

because its literally true

[karmic gust]

wtf is awakened fortify

[civic charm]

You as the player just have to hit fast

[void oar]

i mean im mostly just doing it cause it looks rad af

[cosmic reef]

einstine 2.0 spawned in

[opal ingot]

only cool kids have it

[soft perch]

yea wtf is awakened fortify

[stoic horizon]

you find asleep fortify and you wake it up

[livid quarry]

i dunno pob error

i literally imported from standard

[crystal talon]

AG with Supreme Truth

[karmic gust]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hacker-MM0Jrc8BHKx3y

[sage falcon]

3/5 = 60% success rate at spelling einstein

[soft perch]

honestly i saw that and thought 'is that real' but didnt think enough about it

i just accepted it

[opal ingot]

einharstein

[cosmic reef]

einsten 3.0 spawned in

[sage falcon]

50%

[soft perch]

league mechanic spawning

[proud gorge]

I mean, fair enough, I assume GGG is probably going to deliberately lock every single source of Hallowing Flame so that it can't be inflicted by all your minions, so that Zoomancer isn't forced to run it with their stupid amount of minion attacks

[sage falcon]

that sounds optimistic

[soft perch]

there are only two sources of hallowing flame

one is the guardian node

that implies player

[proud gorge]

there's some unique items that give it

[soft perch]

one is the support

oh true supreme truth

i forgot

[proud gorge]

we just haven't seen them yet

[soft perch]

the support says it cant support minions tho

[proud gorge]

yeah, unfortunately

[soft perch]

i feel like hallowing flame is kinda ass tho

idk

[proud gorge]

but there might be more uniques we haven't seen

[stoic horizon]

with how it looks currently yeah its giga ass

[proud gorge]

in fact there probably will be at least one new unique with Hallowing Flame stuff on it

[crystal talon]

replica gifts from above

[cerulean breach]

Anyone found synergistic stuff with the new shock nova? So far it seems like around fireball in terms of dmg

[stoic horizon]

it would only be useful in some special 1-2 minion builds or something

maybe reaper

[proud gorge]

it gets overlaps, like all multi-AoE skills

[karmic gust]

25% phys as extra is way too little for how much effort it is

[cerulean breach]

That's already accounting for that

[crystal talon]

Can single hit consume 2 charges of hallowingflame?

[cerulean breach]

I'm assuming with 3 repeats you hit 4 times

[karmic gust]

dont think we know

[dusty mesa]

Does the trans creeping frost seem worth using at all. I mean it does more damage over time but no extra projectiles

[karmic gust]

its just stronger dot skill

[stoic horizon]

the repeats continue in line so idk

[karmic gust]

its fine for bad archetype

also much faster

the funny ground

[soft perch]

shock nova hits twice

so

[cerulean breach]

yes, I'm assuming that alreayd?

[soft perch]

idk maybe its alright

[cerulean breach]

as I said

4 hits with 3 repeats

3 novas, 1 ring

is what I'm assuming

[crystal talon]

Assuming it can, then it can get up to 73% phys as extra

[dusty mesa]

I wish there were more sources of player burning ground

[proud gorge]

point is each individual nova hits twice

[cerulean breach]

thing about it is that the new shock nova 'overlaps' from repeats are fake

[cerulean breach]

no

[proud gorge]

what do you mean no

it's just repeats

[soft perch]

i imagine 2 rings hitting the same target is probably doable

[cerulean breach]

a nova hits twice if you hit it on the ring

if you dont' hit it on the ring it's not hitting twice

[crisp obsidian]

guys what do I play on leagstart

[pulsar dune]

It repeats offset with a different AOE

[stoic horizon]

poe

[pulsar dune]

Maybe if you really lock in you can hit that

[proud gorge]

it's literally just Shock Nova with repeats

[crisp obsidian]

I prefer good games

[crystal talon]

totem yup

[proud gorge]

but the repeats are spacially offset

[cerulean breach]

anyway, my point is that the repeats are 'fake' overlaps, each 'repeat' is just you standing there casting it in a forced different position

[stoic horizon]

league of legends

[karmic gust]

doesnt it work like it just being debuff on enemy that adds 25% phys as extra against it

and then is consumed

[dusty mesa]

I’m starting to rethink ballista start

[karmic gust]

e.g no consume effect at all

[crisp obsidian]

so deadeye fusillade totems

[cerulean breach]

at first I thought each cast would repeat by itself but that's not the case after closely inspecting the footage

[proud gorge]

if you have two stacks of Hallowed Flame on an enemy, each minion attack consumes one

[raw heart]

Did the API get changed in the last patch?

[pulsar dune]

Yea, you can largely just consider it a .25 cast time spell or what was it

[dusty mesa]

All these totem recs

[cerulean breach]

@raw heart #tooldev-general

[pulsar dune]

Good with pledge for big multi probably

[cerulean breach]

no it's terrible with pledge

[proud gorge]

the argument is that its repeats, so getting a bunch of repeats still consumes your cast time

[cerulean breach]

it means you're forced to cast it 5 times, with the last ones just missing

[crystal talon]

i dunno

But you can get effect of hallowing flame on the support gem

[proud gorge]

whereas with less repeats you probably get the same number of shock novas, but close to you

[crystal talon]

so

[pulsar dune]

The offset is based on your cast if I remember the phrasing correctly, no?

And pledge is a lot of multi with +2 repeats

[proud gorge]

its based on the direction you're targetting

so towards your mouse

[karmic gust]

yea that sounds like just being debuff on enemy kinda

[cerulean breach]

you can aim the angle but not the spacing

[karmic gust]

maybe the gem just makes the debuff stronger and thats it

[proud gorge]

the point is that it's literal Repeats, not the skill chaining itself or whatever

and like all Repeat skills, you can't cast another one until the last one is finished repeating

[cerulean breach]

tbh I did forget about the 'more damage per repeat' part

[glacial shadow]

can kiracs vault thing still be purchased? or is it too late

[cerulean breach]

yes, that's why I call them fake overlaps

it's more like just a normal fast skill with forced targetting

[proud gorge]

its still probably good with high cast speed, especially for clear

[cerulean breach]

yeah for clear it's good

[crisp obsidian]

too late I think

[cerulean breach]

and tbh now that I remember pledge of hands has 'more damage per repeat'

[crisp obsidian]

but go ingame and check

it's easy

[cerulean breach]

might make up for missing more

[proud gorge]

main issue is now you can't do Spell Echo + Pledge of Hands smh

I say "main issue" that probably sucked ass before anyways

[cerulean breach]

hmm

poedb says greater spell echo is 35% more dmg per repeat

wiki says 30%

[pulsar dune]

Huge nerf to flame dash of return lmao

[cerulean breach]

that's one of the nice things of the shock nova

normall spell echo is mandatory and feels kinda bad

because it's really good dmg link

but makes each cast take twice as long

but here you get the same benefit but the cast only takes 33% longer

like this will no doubt be one of the nicest feeling self-cast builds

question is just if the scaling is there

[cerulean breach]

same with echoing shrine

[opaque phoenix]

What's going to be the top 2-5 builds for guardian in 3.28? not only with minions but overall. of course i'll play minions the most in 3.28 but i might try other builds too. people make it seem like guardian will have the easiest and fastest time beating the campain due to that one big ass minion that's now permanent instead of it being super annoying and summoning it every x amount of time which is why i'll start the league with guardian over necro for minions for the first time in like 5 years (playing non necro ascendancy at league start)

[proud gorge]

We don't know yet, Guardian got some pretty hefty reworks

and a lot of new and reworked skills that seem designed for him

[prime arch]

Yo what the fuck just happend, I just logged into the game and it said something about "clearing cache", then when I got in, my atlas progression is gone, atlas tree wiped and all of my stash tabs are remove only!

[proud gorge]

Standard

[cerulean breach]

KB

[proud gorge]

the league ended

[stoic horizon]

standard end of the league moment

[tulip walrus]

can do pretty much anything cold caster when you get the new cold mage support

[prime arch]

Wtf, but there is another 4 days left bro, do you just not get to play during that time?

[tulip walrus]

Good old reservation Aegis Aurora Block shell and play whatever you want

[prime arch]

thats fucked up

[stoic horizon]

you can play standard

[proud gorge]

the league ends a few days before the start of the next league

[cerulean breach]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/orlp-2505/orlp_wandian?timemachine=day-3&i=0&search=timemachine%3Dday-3%26name%3Dwandian

[proud gorge]

while they get things ready

[prime arch]

aw man, that sicks. Well thank guys for telling me

[cerulean breach]

that was my day 3 gear

[prime arch]

now what do I do lol

[cosmic reef]

ragebait discord

[cerulean breach]

open path of building

and cook for next league

[proud gorge]

You could buildcraft, meme, or just play something else

[gritty epoch]

Do one map in standard and u will unlock all atlas points back

[stoic horizon]

play or wait, your choice

[stoic horizon]

only works with legacy series maps

assuming its their first league it wont work

[gritty epoch]

completion

[prime arch]

It is not my first league but my first league end I guess so to speak. Still pretty ass at the game but yeah

[stoic horizon]

yes the auto full complete only works with past maps

[proud gorge]

I'm also hyped for Friday for another reason, a webfic I've been reading has just reached a big pivotal moment, and the new chapter comes out Friday.

[prime arch]

Hmmm, im to stupid to make my own build lol. Guess ill just chill or somtn, idk

[gritty epoch]

At least your items are still there I guess

[proud gorge]

so I've got two big things I'm anticipating for Friday

[cosmic reef]

whats it called

[gritty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-rebecca-black-weekend-gif-21133470

[proud gorge]

also I think Pokopia is coming out but I lost all interest in that game when it turned out to be $70

[proud gorge]

Super Supportive

[gritty epoch]

How else will Nintendo pay those lawyers

[proud gorge]

it's not for everyone, it's very slow, very character focused, spends a lot of time on character building and sort of slice of life ish moments, rather than all out action

[rugged flume]

wonderful ggg peeps, is there any cooldown/AS cap on summon attacks on holy strike 🤔 cuz the minions seem to teleport after every strike

[proud gorge]

early on there's a big exciting incident arc, but I think that gives people the wrong impression about what the story is like, because some people read that arc, then the rest of the story, and go "this is boring why isn't anything happening"

and like, stuff is happening, but it's character stuff, not big dangerous incident stuff

[cosmic reef]

ill listen to it, im very picky tho so If I fall asleep its dropped

[haughty gale]

Anyone know how much cast speed I need on winterblast frostblink for it to be faster than regular frostblink + leap slam?

[gritty epoch]

Faster casting support and spell echo support

[haughty gale]

I wonder if it's worth getting it in lab now that we can choose

[proud gorge]

realistically that big incident is honestly more of a "backstory detail" that sets up who the main character is for the rest of the story, rather than a tone setter for the rest of the story

but it's a story that really appeals to me

[opal ingot]

in terms of frostblink, it's exactly the same as before

[haughty gale]

no?

we couldnt just guaranteed pick it up first lab

[opal ingot]

do you mean this patch note

The Labyrinth craft to transform a non-Transfigured Skill Gem to a Transfigured version now allows you to select the Transfigured version you desire most in cases where multiple Transfigured versions of that gem exist.

[gritty epoch]

U can always pay 4c day 1 for it

[opal ingot]

it only affects this exact thing, not the first one which you always see on fonts

[proud gorge]

essentially that makes it so that the "Transform a gem into a transfigured version of itself" craft, which is only sometimes available in Lab 3 or higher, will give you a choice of the different transfigured vesions

[haughty gale]

It would be odd if it selectively didnt work on skills that only have one alternate variation

[proud gorge]

it doesn't in any way change the "transform a gem into a random transfigured gem of the same color" craft, which is available in every lab

[opal ingot]

im just saying that you misunderstood the patch notes, and you didn't even confirm my question to clarify

ok wow i sound rude

i didn't mean to be that

[haughty gale]

I meant what I saw in the reveal stream where it was said we can pick the alternate version

instead of it beign random

[opal ingot]

the reveal stream mentions that gems that have multiple transfigured versions can now be selective

[cerulean breach]

Absolution and Absolution of Inspiring: Now have a base debuff duration of 3 seconds (previously 1), and a base Minion duration of 15 seconds (previously 10). Sentinels of Absolution now have 44% more Area of Effect with their Empowered Lightning Blast Skill, and it now deals 40% more Damage.

[opal ingot]

if u chose that specific option

[cerulean breach]

what is "Empowered Lightning Blast"

[haughty gale]

that feels so odd tho

[cerulean breach]

is that the thing they constantly spam?

[haughty gale]

why exclude skills with only one alternate version

[opal ingot]

https://youtu.be/zFzHf3etCTA?si=BpU1EEOx_HlnI719&t=2234

[blazing nymph]

They didn't

[haughty gale]

well now I am just getting conflicting info

[opal ingot]

what? no i recently mentioned that they're not changing the 1st option which is the most common

[cerulean breach]

no

[stark badger]

because.... if there's only one..... you don't need to chooose

[glacial prism]

sharks are smooth both ways

[thick goblet]

it's not, it's making it the same for both
before if a gem had 1 trans version -> guaranteed to get it
if it had 2 versions -> 50/50 but NOW -> you have the option -> so guaranteed to get it

[blissful zodiac]

is transfigured flamethrower trap any good

[opal ingot]

red arrow: the most common shit you'll get. it's always random
highlighted option: youcan now choose if there's more than 1 transfigured version rather than it initially being random

[cerulean breach]

no it's worse but only 1 sec cd

[blissful zodiac]

oh right

traps have cooldowns

[opal ingot]

they didn't exactly specify it but the video shows them only using the rare transfigured font option as seen in this video

[potent bramble]

It's the specific option of "transfigure a gem into one of it's versions" - it used to randomly roll one of the possible variations for the gem, now you choose between them. Doesn't impact things like "transform into transfigured gem of the same color"

[blissful zodiac]

^^^^^

[haughty gale]

well thats dissapointing

[blissful zodiac]

4th lab is best lab

[haughty gale]

would have been cool to be able to pick from lab 1

[stark badger]

wishful thinking isn't a game mechanic

[haughty gale]

no shit

[blissful zodiac]

that would be to easy

[opal ingot]

embrace the vision

[blissful zodiac]

dual strike of ambidexterity straight out of act 2 would be crazy

just turn off sound

only reason I dont use ambidexterity

CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG

like who thought of that as a sound effect

[full tide]

cache clean?

[opal ingot]

happened to me too

[true tinsel]

did someone say dual strike of ambidexterity?

[potent bramble]

I'll admit I don't see a reason for the one that does same-color random to exist, personally. It's too random/irrelevant unless you happen to hit the 1 in a million shot for the ultra-value gems. I'd rather see it be the pick-specific but starting at like the 2nd or 3rd lab

[blazing nymph]

Because this is a gambling game and we love long odds

[opal ingot]

feel the weight

[molten hazel]

This league has to be the hardest to pick in league starter in since forever

[opal ingot]

flicker with me

[blazing nymph]

Well the flowchart hasn't been posted yet, i'm sure that will clear things up

[molten hazel]

Bruh way ahead of you and more insane I am making flicker Scion with the new accendency

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/insanecat-gif-16700687584290242459

[molten hazel]

https://pobb.in/RbhA3GxA7qk9

This is my early prototype

Very much work in progress XD

[potent bramble]

Have you done Flicker before?

[molten hazel]

Yes but not much XD

[potent bramble]

Wondering if there's a viable way to have it be the same button for both the attack and move, so you attack when able and move when there's no enemies in range

[molten hazel]

I like the gameplay just normally hard to get going with frenzy upkeep but with the new Scion accendency I won't ever have any issue with that

[potent bramble]

Because I like the idea, but I don't like needing to press attack every time. It's why I do mostly minions/cyclone/rf-type builds

[molten hazel]

I think you can right click the skill and there should be a option to do that

[livid quarry]

u can upkeep frenzy with blood rage at 2m dps in maps

farrul only when u uber boss

[valid coral]

what is happen with the stash?

[molten hazel]

Extra buttons are not welcome

[hard cliff]

it's one button per map

[molten hazel]

More info would help determine that

[hard cliff]

[molten hazel]

[potent bramble]

Too many buttons. This is Death's Oath league, zero-button builds confirmed

[blissful zodiac]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nFBtRElvScQ?si=8fhX_ZzFBvNsVvI_

[molten hazel]

The game went to standard so you gotta remove all your shit and put it into your standard storage

[blissful zodiac]

no seriously

[hard cliff]

I played Death oath with vaal caustic Arrow so it had buttons

[blissful zodiac]

who though this was a good sound effect

[molten hazel]

This happens every end of league

[blissful zodiac]

I got 2 megabloods and a hh in standard now

[hard cliff]

kinda cool

[blissful zodiac]

he still has me blocked btw

going for the counter block

[potent bramble]

Incorrect. You played VCA with Death's Oath as supplementary damage 😛

[rancid dove]

would it be too difficult for them to update the graphics to look like poe2

[tranquil umbra]

yes

[potent bramble]

Absolutely, yes

[hard cliff]

the monastery area looks identical to path of exile 2

no I haven't played poe 2

[potent bramble]

Or well, technically no insofar as it could be done. But yes, in that it's exponentially more work than it is reward

[tranquil umbra]

I would also not be able to run this game on my shit laptop if they did

[hard cliff]

I can't run it on my 3060

[potent bramble]

Like they could rewrite the game from the ground up, using everything they've learned from the development of PoE 1 and 2... but then they're really just making PoE 3 at that point

[valid coral]

i dont care about standard, so i have to do nothing?

[lean urchin]

correct

delete characters in standard if you want their names

[blazing nymph]

Yep. Join us in waiting a few days for Mirage league

[hard cliff]

get your build and leveling guide ready

[rancid dove]

i really wanna play an ARPG rn but i don't like the current of poe2

[hard cliff]

[rancid dove]

i know the first game is very good but something about how it looks

i'll just have to deal with it i guess

[tranquil umbra]

idk man the game looks fine to me

[hard cliff]

I wish the input was less laggy

[potent bramble]

That's the secret - play something with abysmal visual clarity and you won't realize the games look different

[zealous pebble]

Pob when

[hard cliff]

dota 2 controls a lot faster

[tranquil umbra]

that's a location problem

[deep shell]

Am I understanding Ziz's statement that all valuable currency drops are doubled? Is that across the board everywhere?

[blazing nymph]

Not soon enough

[hard cliff]

I have sub 40 ping

[tranquil umbra]

not for the truly exceptionally rare drops but yes

well also not for

the common ones

like transmutes

[potent bramble]

Yes, but no. Some currency drop rates are mostly doubled. Explicitly for ground loot

[rancid dove]

i'll try the new league

it's on the 6th?

[zealous pebble]

Drop rate up for ancient, scared and blessed orbs and fractured I believe

[deep shell]

Do we have a classification on what's doubled? Like ex / div ground drops ?

ahh

[tacit flicker]

Have they announced when 0.5 ?

[tranquil umbra]

and divines

[tranquil umbra]

May

[zealous pebble]

Wrong channel, also may

[tacit flicker]

mb, which channel ty

[zealous pebble]

Poe 2

[tacit flicker]

oh myb !

gl hf POE 1 gamers

ILY

[potent bramble]

Windowed loot like Kingsmarch and Ritual are not affected, they said "tile loot" is also not changed (unsure what it means but I'm assuming it's like boxes/chests)

Mid-tier currency drops from enemies directly are roughly doubled, is probably the most succinct way to put it

[zealous pebble]

You didn't have to leave, I'm sorry

[native token]

ngl the change for kingsmarsh is perfect

[tranquil umbra]

I do like how they handled it

[warm forum]

My map farm settlers tree is now buffed

[tranquil umbra]

and it's a very simple change too

[potent bramble]

My only worry is that it feels like it sorta makes the farmers pointless. Armor is just objectively better to get from the Tree, and I feel like the weapons aren't going to be scaled enough to make them worth targeting via boat

[fringe ermine]

I saw palsteron build and has 20k max phys hit

[potent bramble]

I'd like to see it where the mappers need some sort of supply via crops to run, in addition to the gold cost

[tranquil umbra]

I mean the point of the farmers is that they work passively even when not logged in

[cedar walrus]

was figuring out the craft for abyssal socket sword, only hit the fracture 2/30 times 25% chance on craft of exile oh boy am i ready to be poor this league

[warm forum]

But now i have to click verisium nodes

[tranquil umbra]

good

[zealous pebble]

Yep you have to map to earn passive currency, which is the way it should have been

[potent bramble]

They do, but I'm talking about the value you get from employing them. They're a passive gold drain, so they're competing for supply from the other systems, and there's no real way to influence what gear you get from shipping crops

[split pagoda]

thats pretty good

[zealous pebble]

20k phys max is alright

[potent bramble]

I'm assuming the different categories will still be a thing - like which type of armor - but no influence over elemental vs physical, etc etc

[warm forum]

I meant that verisium ores are the most annoying ore to do so i just skipped them. And early league they kinda 1 tap me

[tranquil umbra]

the way you influence what you get is called checking the wiki to see which port returns what

[potent bramble]

Maybe if they boosted how much gear you get from shipping, but otherwise I don't think the opportunity cost is gonna be worth

[tranquil umbra]

ah ok spoke too soon

[molten hazel]

until the 6th that is when the new league starts but you will start fully over

[potent bramble]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they're bad or should be removed, I just worry the farmers are gonna get outclassed by the tree and become irrelevant as a result

[valid coral]

i will do LOGIN trainning in mean time

[desert tendon]

Don't charge them fully. I think a lot of the mobs do chaos damage from them too

[icy swan]

from dot stuff is there something esle than posion and fire ? on meta ?

[molten hazel]

chaos dot is pretty strong

[arctic tundra]

phys dot is and has been very popular for a long time

[icy swan]

chaos is posion i gues ?

[molten hazel]

nope poison and chaos is 2 different things they work under the same res but is different in damage

[desert tendon]

Some spells and bow skills just do chaos dot

[icy swan]

so what gem u got in mind

[desert tendon]

No poison

Imma league start blight CWC soulrend. But I'm weird

Don't copy me lol

[warm forum]

Even half hits hard sometimes, and some mob from half a map away finds their way to me while channeling. It breaks the pace of the game for me

[desert tendon]

Probably the chaos damage

[molten hazel]

i dont do a lot of chaos dot just know that a lot consider it strong it for this league start but 1 i do know is Essence Drain of Wickedness

Soulrend of the Spiral is also strong

[sage falcon]

surely at this point you know how these basic mechanics of the game work

[maiden spear]

does anyone know about how often herald of purity minions attack in a standard herald of purity build

[icy swan]

so this skill ?

[barren shell]

So now we have 7 links armour and weapons??

[sage falcon]

poison deals chaos damage over time, but not all chaos damage over time is poison

[blazing nymph]

6.5, since one gem is stuck at level 1

[sage falcon]

just like how staves are a two handed weapon but not all two handed weapons are staves

[icy swan]

for me choas and posion was same with fross

[plucky bison]

Guys, do you think the flamethrower of stability doing good on chieftain with enmity ring?if not im going gen cry build

[icy swan]

but yeah i get it

[warm forum]

Yeah early league it's annoying because you're still progressing defense and late league it's annyong because it stops you zooming thru maps. But it has starfall going for it i guess

[molten hazel]

how am i meant to tell from such a blury picture

[icy swan]

dont know hwo to make better always going like that xD

like 3meters range kinda wave

and he sapming it on boss

[barren shell]

So much this game has to offer , i have tons of things i wanna try

[sage falcon]

blight of contagion?

[icy swan]

i gues this

and for aoe he was using this circles

[sage falcon]

oh hell nah

[gritty epoch]

Bait channel

[sage falcon]

3.26 💀 path of exile builds 💀

this channel promotes rmt

[covert swan]

You've linked to or brought up an RMT (real money trading) site or YouTube channel which tends to use unrealistically expensive gear to show off their builds, and offers to sell you the "necessary" currency. Trading real money for in-game items is against the Path of Exile Terms of Service; sites which encourage this are not allowed here. Additionally, these websites steal builds both badly and without accreditation, leading to new players struggling more than they need to be.

[sage falcon]

and gives you shitty builds so you buy their rmt

[icy swan]

i see

[tight plinth]

Chat, have we solved the league yet?

[cosmic reef]

yeah

[steady otter]

Holy shiet this scam channel

No matter what you do, never follow them

[desert tendon]

Simple, see what fubgooners are doing. Farm stuff they need. Kek

[icy swan]

probalby will folow my self unles build is similar - no block = bad builds 😄

but if something new hard too see

[dim sonnet]

you know what ? im not playing minions this league

played that shit for far too long

this time its stormbrand gaming

[icy swan]

strombrand is this circle that is fire or lighting etc ?

[surreal musk]

stormbrand is still just numerically worse than pbod

[icy swan]

if i remember

[gritty epoch]

60% x 0 = 0

[dim sonnet]

lightning

wel pp brand is lategame

[tulip walrus]

can play cold stormbrand with new support

[icy swan]

during leveling i was using fire one, on hardcore to hit lvl 50

[dim sonnet]

before the shrine belt and the giga budget gear im going to play stormbrand

[icy swan]

dam i was like 7h to clear story, now i forgot all after 4 months 😄

[devout patio]

i CALL DOWN THE GAUNTLET IN STANDARD for anyone to beat me on my whack a mole in game ---- Global 100 ingame shout 1 and ill invite you

[icy swan]

also how to not die easly xD

[devout patio]

Zap been trying for last 15 minutes

[runic terrace]

Guys help me decide

333k Phys max hit
308k Ele max hit
450 billion DPS

Or

296k Phys max hit
308 Ele max hit
500 billion DPS

I kinda want the tank but also the half a trillion dps is funny...

[steady otter]

296k phys max hit is enough

[dim sonnet]

are you playing in poe2 ?

[runic terrace]

POE 1

[steady otter]

Chunk more dmg

[dim sonnet]

4 billion is the dps cap in poe 1

[runic terrace]

I was kinda thinking the same both are kinda enough really but the half a trillion dmg is fun to say

[digital fern]

any1 league start imp doom last few leagues?

[split pagoda]

sorry ele max hit is too low

[runic terrace]

It is not

[split pagoda]

need a million+

[dim sonnet]

unless you are playing poe2

[runic terrace]

There is no cap on dps

only dot dmg

[cobalt blade]

its 2.147b max damage per hit but you can scale that with atk speed

[dim sonnet]

there is cap on dps. and cap on hp as well

[cobalt blade]

4 bil dps is far from the cap

[dim sonnet]

oh yea 2bil not 4

[tight plinth]

New static strike looks strong

[icy swan]

this hinetic fusilade hierphant can i make it tanky and also do nice dmg or u playing it withut shiled ? i think i seen mosutly 2 wepoans than shield ?

and overal it was this leage, how its with costs, performance and stuff

[runic terrace]

For a single hit

[dim sonnet]

how hard can you skale the atk speed though ? i doubt you can go to 500b

[cobalt blade]

it doesnt need to be just atk speed

double or triple hitting skills as well

[devout patio]

Anyone wanna beat me???

[hybrid harness]

pals version is 75/75 block with aegis

[cobalt blade]

or multiple skills if some form of looper

just atk speed is the simplest way

[dim sonnet]

yea but im saying 500 ?

show us the pob

[icy swan]

pals is ytber ? block fine aegis nice

[hybrid harness]

and it isnt a lot of investment, I honestly dont think its a good build to invest a shitton into. I will personally start it tand either go kboc or frostbolt after

palsteron yea he made vid today

[runic terrace]

10 a sec

[cobalt blade]

i mean technically reachable with molten strike esc skills (although the investment is very much playing standard on an armour stacker kinda character)

[dim sonnet]

i dont think i had more than 2b on my armour stacker

granted it was not on standard

[cobalt blade]

in standard theres a 25k fire res chest

[runic terrace]

https://pobb.in/umsN9tFB1WNY

[cobalt blade]

yep its standard

i would go for max hit

[runic terrace]

My armor stracker without the armor is just under 30billion

[dim sonnet]

offer 5c

[desert pasture]

what build do yall suggest for temp leagues?

[icy swan]

frostbolt only ? why ? im temtend to try if i can make better glacial ; p but posion/dot etc quite easy to make dmg, without it maybe not so easy
but heres 2 new ice skils so im intresting too

[cobalt blade]

the one you find fun

[heady forge]

Molten strike more like boring strike

[maiden spear]

any minion enjoyers have any recommendations on what the largest base physical damage hit i can get from a minion is?

[dim sonnet]

what do you like ? watch some gameplay on youtube

[hybrid harness]

archmage ice nova of frostbolts. it was nerfed but still op lol and I like the playstyle/sustain especially

[dim sonnet]

melee is all boring

ppl out there blowing up screens and you are there swinging a sword ?

[cobalt blade]

will say im surprised u dont have mediums

[icy swan]

hmm the totem version i heard totome get buffed so now tis better i gues than manual verison

[runic terrace]

Some guy tthis league messaged me to "Borrow" for a day to test if he can make it on trade league. He said he will give 1 mirror for colatoral so I know he is not a scammer

[tight plinth]

I womder if gathering light from static strike a buff

[runic terrace]

LS of arcing is fun (what I use when not in valdos)

[dim sonnet]

is champ even better than scion ?

[desert pasture]

kinda just like moving through the level watching all my enemies crumble before me

[dim sonnet]

when i played armor stacker i player scion because she was cute ngl

[cobalt blade]

based

scion hot

[hardy heron]

I can blow up screens while swinging a sword

[dim sonnet]

sounds like a minion gamer

[runic terrace]

This is from trade league no standard gear

[hybrid harness]

u can self cast but I think it requires a bit more stuff to get going, u also ruin guard skill durastion and mshell on giga armour/aegis is important. I also just like the braindead ballista playstyle with 100% dmg uptime and autoaim

[runic terrace]

Sec

[icy swan]

like this ? seen it

[hybrid harness]

yea

[cobalt blade]

you do literally hv the standard chest on

[dim sonnet]

praw is broken and ggg forgot to nerf it. spectres got buffed. jolems are really strong too

[cobalt blade]

but assuming thats all your grabbing from standard fair enough

[icy swan]

yeah u can dodge boses and dont care and totems do dmg al the time

[cobalt blade]

also scions better damage lower defence in standard afaik

similar in league but closer to each other

[runic terrace]

https://pobb.in/kc5vlfbp7tqb Scion ( not as good gear) current league

[runic terrace]

Yeah I was asking whatt chest to buy

[lean urchin]

is palstreons vid louder than usual? my left ear is vibrating

[icy swan]

no shield rip ;p

[short prairie]

Imagine +25000 fire res

[runic terrace]

Yeah crit

[cobalt blade]

shield bad

[runic terrace]

Well apparently I can not go to the hide outs to buy it rip

[tight plinth]

Holy strike is now a copy of your weapon, interesting 🤔

[heady forge]

It wasn't before?

[tight plinth]

It was weapon stats before

[granite nexus]

holy strike sounds like total ass to play tho

[tight plinth]

Which is different

[heady forge]

Hum, I see

[runic terrace]

Apparently it for a 4x multi nerf it was that good lol

[granite nexus]

early game it needed a 4x nerf

[tight plinth]

I mean, it plays like any strike skill no?

[granite nexus]

more like dom blow

[tight plinth]

The extra stuff juat comes from minions as opposed to balls or lightning arcs

[runic vine]

Well, seeing as the weapons are minions, your tree could easily include spiritual aid and the other minion attack speed node

[dim sonnet]

oh yea i saw that gear everywhere on poe ninja

everyone is mirroring the same gear

well maybe not the ring

[runic terrace]

Sword is mirrored

to lazy to make that

rest crafted

ohh helm also

[true falcon]

Big day tomorrow! All unplayed gems being buffed by 50% for sure this time

[dim sonnet]

stormbrand is fine we dont need another %50. 40% is enough

[runic terrace]

Only mirrored items is helm and 1 sword everything else self made

Helm always the same and sword is way to annoying to make

[neon veldt]

body armour??

[runic terrace]

Boots not even finished XD

[neon veldt]

that is mirrorred too

[runic terrace]

That i have not got yet

The trade isnt working

Was not sure if i get grace or phys as chaos

[icy swan]

and this SRS necro how is it ?

[dim sonnet]

its like praw but worse

[runic terrace]

Scales better

guardian is better early

[icy swan]

or like other necro heard sumoners are strong or was

[dim sonnet]

you have to summon more, you do less damage and they last less

and they are melee

[icy swan]

i see

[dim sonnet]

its the exact same gear as well

just swap the gem and your build is magically x10 better

[icy swan]

is it praw necromancer to see it ?

[dim sonnet]

yea

[dim sonnet]

https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/poison-ranged-animate-weapons-league-starter

giga indepth guide with step by step progression

i got half my guild to play it last league

[slow niche]

i wonder if dominating blow will finally be viable

[modern zinc]

hello I need to play poe

[high hemlock]

me too

[modern zinc]

I'm going insane without this game

[icy swan]

a lot of those summons xD

[modern zinc]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I should be cruising through maps with my death's oath occultist

[icy swan]

but since they rework blight maybe my pc will be fine

[dim sonnet]

yea but with unleash its fine

[summer spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[dim sonnet]

and they last like 80seconds so you just hold the button for 5 second and then when mapping click one every few seconds

[summer spoke]

dom blow isnt bad by itself, it's just underperforming so much compared to almost every other temp minion

[lucid gale]

Dom Blow, isn't that the guy that made The Witness and Jai?

[dim sonnet]

just make sure you have the aure bladefall thing

[remote sparrow]

How rare / hard is it to get a brutal restraint early in a leauge? I assume a bit difficult

[shy furnace]

almost time

[summer spoke]

1 div typically for most

[gritty epoch]

And braid

[icy swan]

will they show trans gems animations or rather not ?

[stark badger]

market quickly gets inundated by shitty timeless jewels so if you just want the keystone it's no big deal

[remote sparrow]

Probably not

[true falcon]

Exemplar Holy Strike tho. That's tempting

[remote sparrow]

Yea as a start just to get the keystone dance with death will hunt for an actually good one later on. Can level as Sunder until I get my 3 uniques nesscary

[true falcon]

A little 125% mark effect assassins mark and you have a stew

[mystic socket]

list for 4 mir? theres 2 on there for 5 mirrors but with 40% aura effect

[tight plinth]

Cold dots got another thing to throw to add dps

[short prairie]

Is this even in the game now

[ebon tendon]

why pof bbuild would even need 2% rmr idk

[mystic socket]

wdym

[mystic socket]

theres spells u can use that reserve mana

[tight plinth]

Walks up to a boss. Casts wintertide, cold snap, vortex, frostbomb ans siphoning trap. Combo gaming, the vision

[shy furnace]

easy to get 2% reservation, 40% aura super big

[ebon tendon]

:consi

[mystic socket]

rn im using 2 autoexert, 1 automation, pb, arctic armour

[ebon tendon]

no emotes here sad

[mystic socket]

if i could id run blood and sand too

[ebon tendon]

ur right

[true flower]

new leg launch yet?

[shy furnace]

friday

[hardy heron]

Here is a countdown https://www.pathofexile.com/

[true flower]

hmm

the numbers are decreasing

[granite nexus]

if you win fishing tournament you get early access to league

[true flower]

thats the opposite of what happens in the game

[shy furnace]

what numbers

[runic terrace]

I cant wait to start gonna do a PL to many cool things for trade

[true falcon]

Does "all damage can poison" exist for minions

[granite nexus]

i dont think so?

[runic terrace]

phys / chaos dmg can naturally posion

with chance to poision ofc

[drowsy eagle]

give the dagger to your AG

[rancid sluice]

Poison chance on abyss jewels yeah

[granite nexus]

yeah, pneumatic dagger ag lol

[remote sparrow]

Anyone know rarity of thunderfitsts?

[runic terrace]

I didnt know the league ended 🙁 I did not stash my gear

[rancid sluice]

It all passed to atd now

Std

[runic terrace]

Yeah but tabs are full I wanted to put the gear in remove only tabs

[shy furnace]

thunder fist is rare its likw t`

t1

usualy 10d+ league start progbaly

[true falcon]

"requires a mace scepter or staff" dang

[granite nexus]

if i could have had voidforge pets i would 100% have been doing that

[shy furnace]

lots of new systems tho, duno how rare shit will be now

[main pike]

can't believe temporary minions get killed going into a mirage

🚮 behavior

[soft perch]

uhhh

you can

its called chains of command

[granite nexus]

gross

[thick goblet]

yeah i was debating going praw but this confirmed nah

[soft perch]

look

u said if you could have voidforge pets

that is voidforge pets

[main pike]

yep same. now I'm just gonna play mines something

[tight plinth]

Isnt self reflection also voidforge pets?

[thick goblet]

yeah im doing gcf mines

[shy furnace]

wat? mirage kills temp minions?

[soft perch]

ye

[proud gorge]

I said it before and I'll say it again, Mirage is functionally a Vaal Side Area rework

and it deserves the spot once it goes core imo

[soft perch]

yea if they were completely different things

[main pike]

last time I played gc mines was probably like 3.3 or something spell totem casting detonate mines while you spammed

[proud gorge]

in the sense that both are a smaller sub-map inside your map

[soft perch]

vaal side areas are effectively a portal to a different map instance

[runic terrace]

Mageblood no longer king is cool

Mageblood budget belt btw 😛

[soft perch]

mirage is a sub-instance of your current map that probably works the way it does because of technical limitations

[proud gorge]

the difference is Mirage does it in a way that's interesting, engaging, and works synergistically with other mechanics, while Vaal Side Areas do it in a way that's clunky, and doesn't actually work well with the map mechanics

[soft perch]

i swear to god if theres any kind of meaningful loading screen this league sucks

[runic terrace]

New guides, if you are poor mageblood is a good budget option

[soft perch]

mirage being a different instance is definitely clunky

[proud gorge]

Mirage is basically a sub-map, just one that's a reflection of your main map

[soft perch]

even harvest alva etc work differently

[runic terrace]

Most mechanics put you in the same map just SUPER far away

[tight plinth]

Is the hive fortress last league like that?

[runic terrace]

I am more worried the blobs will suck. Maps all get different mods. So efter every map you need to check that has the good mods (keystone does not help)

[proud gorge]

sure, but what I mean is that Vaal Side Areas have long had the issue of just having nothing whatsoever to do with the map they're in, and thus basically just being a really bad mini-map that inherits nothing at all from the main map. The best concept for a Vaal Side Area rework I came up with was to make it a sub-instance that inherits all existing map modifiers but also adds some extra on its own, but honestly this implementation with Mirage is that but in many ways better.

since it also "inherits" league mechanics, but even remixes them

[soft perch]

yea hive fortress is same instance

[proud gorge]

the boss Hive Fortress is its own thing though

whatever it's called

[soft perch]

ok but mirage isnt comparable to a vaal side area in any way at all except ggg couldnt figure out how to make it anything but a seperate instance

it only is for you because of your previous idea

[proud gorge]

what I mean is that Mirage is basically everything Vaal Side Areas should probably be

[soft perch]

well thats kind of jsut your opinion

[rancid sluice]

What's the deal with killing temp minions going in? They don't want you preloading damage or what

[soft perch]

especially when theyre very different

[proud gorge]

it's thematically similar, but much better and more appropriate mechanically

[proud gorge]

it's just a sub-instance

[soft perch]

different instance, probably a technical limitation

id imagine theyd want it to not be

[proud gorge]

and temporary minions don't persist between instances

[rancid sluice]

I see

[proud gorge]

okay, what would you say the mechanical "theme" of Vaal Side Areas is, then

[soft perch]

an instance completely seperate to your map with vaal stuff in it for the purpose of atziri access

it doesnt inherit map modifiers or anything to do with your map

[shy furnace]

doubt they wont go with u

[proud gorge]

so your opinion is that the theme is being bad and existing exclusively for Atziri access

[soft perch]

i didnt say bad

[tight plinth]

Its weird that complete different tilesets like hive fortress and alva temple are same instance while mirage is copy of the instance youre already is a separate one

[soft perch]

it was probably cool to them when they added it to the game

but that is what they are

seperate to your map

if ggg didnt want them to be seperate theyd share anything to do with your map at all but they dont

not a thing

[proud gorge]

its because stuff like Hive Fortress and Alva Temple are generated when you enter the map, so they can be part of the same instance, because nothing at all about them changes over the course of you playing the map

[runic terrace]

They suck 🙁 You lose deli

[proud gorge]

but the Mirage sub-instance does actually change depending on your choices when entering it, as well as what content is around it

so it has to be a generated sub-instance since its generated after the map has already been generated

[tight plinth]

You mean like evolving shrine?

[wanton grail]

realm down in US East?

[rancid sluice]

I was planning on going hroc anyway this league so they'll persist through mirage

[runic terrace]

Who else is excited for 40% CDR on frostblink!

[proud gorge]

No, that just has to do with monsters and monster rarity and stuff

the game can generate or change monsters mid-map just fine

the thing that it can't do is change the map tiles and map layout mid-map

[gritty epoch]

I mean scourge happened

[naive frigate]

anyone know why even tho I have Alva spec'd on my atlas and I'm using incursion scarabs, she still isn't appearing? she was working earlier..

[proud gorge]

which is why the Alva Temple will always generate three instances, and no matter which Alva you talk to first it'll always be the same three temple rooms in order, and why the only choice made is which of two guys standing in a pre-generated room you kill, and also all temple modifiers exclusively affect monsters and monster spawns.

[faint locust]

Is new static strike just lightning strike of arcing?

[soft perch]

no

[faint locust]

without projectile tag, but more base dam

[lean urchin]

its just arc

[soft perch]

its not just arc

[dense sleet]

I was taking a look on the popularity of league mechanics per class.
Usually it is not a by lot. OFC builds like CWS makes ultimatum 8x more popular than the rest.

I've found that people running pSRS are 4x more prone to go for abyss than average (~13% instead of 3%)
Trying to understand why but can't figure out. Isn't abyss supposed to require walking, and killing from far? SRS seems terrible for that

[lean urchin]

its just fireball

[soft perch]

its probably a lot worse than arc

its a skill with potentially insane base damage

that seems quite sketchy for actual map clear

because the buff system for the chains seems kinda not great and slow to ramp + easily falls off

and has a small target cap of 12 at max stacks

[rancid sluice]

Srs wants abyss jewels and does very well in tight packs

[proud gorge]

I never actually played Scourge league, what was the mechanic? A quick look in the wiki seems to indicate that it's still just a pre-generated section of the map or something.

[dense sleet]

Yeah, jewel demand makes sense

Even tho, I am not looking for stats in SSF league
Maybe SC players just want to get their own jewels

[proud gorge]

but I don't actually know

the wiki isn't very clear about how exactly the mechanic functioned

[true falcon]

GGG should introduce holy damage

[faint locust]

I want to play a doryani slayer build that has gigga clear speed

guessing static strike won't be it

(new one)

[gritty epoch]

U press a button anytime and get into alternate scourge timeline complete with scourge tilesets mimicking the map layout

[soft perch]

i think expecting clearspeed out of this new skill is not something you should do until you see how it performs

if it has a double hit that ramps it does do a lot of damage though

[rancid sluice]

Like top rolled poison chance jewels are super expensive why not grind and make your own

[soft perch]

but its still very melee

[faint locust]

what if they made it refresh stacks at 12

lol