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[karmic gust]

or at least way better than i expected it to look

[heady cliff]

WARPED TIMEPIECE 2D LOGIN

[cobalt blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1ri63nr/zizaran_interview_discussion_points_post_getting/ theres a summary on reddit

dunno exactly how accurate it is for shit tho

[heady cliff]

perfect warped timepiece 10d login

[karmic gust]

#1┃build-planning message found it

[cobalt blade]

oh i forgot about xoph's blood

that does make it more considerable lot less shit pathing

[leaden quiver]

Okay I can leaguestart domblow then

Poggies

Freed from melee hit

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats not baad but its also alot more invest than the cold setup was

[finite quail]

Thank you Naca friend

NN_fir_patpatt

[cobalt blade]

:3

[full kraken]

kinetic fusillade fuckin up my ability to meme with twisters once again lol

[tranquil sedge]

its already summarized on reddit anyway lol

[heady cliff]

its only x50 price on your core items

no biggie (F)

[full kraken]

thankfully I can start by just crutching on using a third timeclasp and run subpar rolls on them all for cheaper

[cobalt blade]

time for them to get priced at 20c each for people 3:1ing for max rolls

[finite quail]

what is this talking about

what does it mean by "fully mirage maps"

[main osprey]

fully replicated maps basically

[final owl]

it's like deli mirror vs a deli map

[cobalt blade]

an implicit on the map that makes the mirage copy the whole map

instead of just a se ction

[finite quail]

Ahhhh

[gentle ice]

i wonder if the 3:1 recipe would work with that belt or if it only act like a divine? even tho it would be weird 🤔 not sure how that would work unless it use one of the 3 as a base item

[finite quail]

Damn thats nice

[cobalt blade]

(but its not compatiable with originator maps so im personally worried itll turn into a miraged nightmare map meta)

[main osprey]

it takes the same slot as originator implicit does, so full miraged maps can't be t16.5

[hard cliff]

might still be

[dense roost]

Is there any giga benefit to breachlord ascendancy cryo node now then, other than giving 100% all dam conversion where that's useful? Getting 100% conversion wasn't ever that complex.

[cobalt blade]

i wanna play frostmage converted to lightning for wrath scaling

as an aura mana stack weird ass setup

[final owl]

ggg would never accidentally "fix" something by making the same thing the new meta for a different reason. surely 😇

[leaden quiver]

Example; using a cold skill and thunderfists for clear

And converting all of that extra lightning to cold

Or the HoT + HoI setup

[sinful lynx]

Ele hit got aborted before birth

[south seal]

Random question. Has there been any indication of poe1 ever releasing on the switch?

[main osprey]

destructive play meta is looking super giga big no?

[full kraken]

I wouldnt hope for it, considering GGG cares a lot more about poe2 now, poe2 might come out on switch one day tho

[karmic gust]

how would it even run on switch

[cobalt blade]

no shot it runs on the switch

[karmic gust]

like pcs barely handle poe

[sterile crescent]

Are you trying to make switch bomb?

[dense roost]

Sounds much more niche. Which I guess is meant to be the point of bloodline ascendancies. I'm more interested in the Esh node now if any.

[soft perch]

congratulations on maybe the most random of questions

[south seal]

AAA games releasing just fine on switch 2, wouldn’t think it be a huge issue considering it already runs decently on steam deck.

[karmic gust]

well steam deck is actual pc

[sterile crescent]

I also dunno what you'll be seeing in switch, things be so small and chaotic on screen

[karmic gust]

also idk does it rly run well on deck

like in juiced maps

[tight plinth]

its bad

its "fine" for normal content

[finite quail]

lmfao no

[tight plinth]

but still not a great experience

[leaden quiver]

Yeah

That or exarch for GCPs

[short prairie]

I wish ggg can optimize the cpu usage, I don’t mind them allocating some calculations over to the gpu side since poe1 graphics are light

[finite quail]

probably never

[leaden quiver]

Unless they made them common now

[sterile crescent]

Poe2 juiced abyss on switch

[leaden quiver]

Ezpz just get a ryzen with 1002020202 mb cache

Smooth sailing

[short prairie]

[main osprey]

coins don't sound very common so maybe gcp won't be giga expensive, but gcp def are up

[leaden quiver]

Thats what I did lmao

[sterile crescent]

What if you link steam deck with GeForce now so that most of the rendering is done on cloud?

[tight plinth]

geforce now is fine

though youre limited to 100hrs a month, then you have to pay for more hours

[covert isle]

Kb vs bows is there a real difference?

[karmic gust]

yea bows are quite a bit squishier nowadays

[tight plinth]

do you have to have the wisp support to benefit from goddess node on relinq?

[odd fox]

you will own nothing and you will be happy

[covert isle]

Prolly gonna play kb just cause I’ve played bows so many times

[lucid gale]

Generally nothing you can meaningfully do, GPUs calculate things in completely different ways than CPUs - very wide but with high latency and rigid control flow and limited data access.

CPU usage isn't just calculations either, but a lovely soup of disk I/O, decompression, lots of concurrent small tasks, networking, actual simulation and render prep work.

[fossil mural]

Rearguard glad

Bleed bow ofc

[craggy fiber]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mandalorian-baby-yoda-1

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-some-of-these-gif-12933391

[lucid gale]

As for comparisons with more traditional games, different types of games have very different engines and usually less variation in what can happen.
Shader and asset management in a hero shooter for example is way easier as you know up-front exactly everything that goes into the session.

(still quite hard, any peeps doing engine work are wizards)

[odd fox]

could also use the poe2 trick, just reduce the number of monsters by factor of 10 and increase their loot by 10x

[onyx adder]

U misspelled "decreases" fyi, common mistake I see it a lot

[wintry lily]

just make maps 1 big fat lootbox with no mobs to kill, problem solved, no more performance issues (if it drops nothing) /s

[tight plinth]

there was a list going around earlier with questions and stuff, were they answered?

[candid moon]

Slap on -80% action speed unless deadeye while at it

[wintry lily]

deadeye gets -90% cuz fuck you

[real finch]

Can anyone recommend me a cheap early-league build with good movement speed and decent damage for Beast farming?
I only want to farm beasts.

[whole bluff]

#AndrewIsBased

Glad we didn't get a league solved 5 days before release

[wintry lily]

we'll have it solved in 6 days instead

[coral summit]

the brass dome node removing ES is annoying as hell for trying to build caster on this

[split maple]

wasnt toxic rain the usual thingie for this

should still work

[coral summit]

cant run eldritch battery

0 support for mana regen on the asc

[tight plinth]

cast with life

reap or summin

[soft perch]

ele hit with breachlord wasnt nearly as strong as people were making it out to be

it was pretty good sure but it had problems like survivability and requiring a lot of expensive uniques for scaling

[real finch]

Do you have a PoB for this?
Most of the PoBs I find are Heist runners and they don’t really have damage.

[whole bluff]

Fair

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed mountain]

Ah just saw they headshotted ele hit combo

[soft perch]

i had already moved onto brighter shores

[hexed mountain]

The breach node is still OP imo on a lot of skills

Anything that can stack tri ele flat from outside of the weapon

[wintry lily]

Pssh who needs survivability

they paid for 6 portals, might as well use em all.

[whole bluff]

I actually got some ideas for next league, but I don't wanna spoil them if they're good cuz people aren't talking a lot about them, but I don't actually even know if they're good

[coral summit]

ye, people just aren't allowed to have 5k base damage on a skill with no downside anymore lmao

[elfin shale]

What poison skills are good for campaign

Venom Gyre?

i guess i could try to level with Pestilent Strike lmao

[candid moon]

Just gotta make sure no content creator is lurking at the time I've learned my lessons back in TnL

[whole bluff]

xD

[elfin shale]

Are there any items that prevent you from inflicting poison

[whole bluff]

Brutality

[soft perch]

melee strike builds

[coral summit]

that also deletes your chaos damage though lol

[hexed mountain]

Im not leaguestarting it but will probably just run a level 30 anger or wrath build with new essence and some smite and abyss jewel to get hilarious flat on an actually good skill later

[full kraken]

nice, pob was super painless to get working on linux, lookin forward to another league if it looks interesting enough

[elfin shale]

hrrmmm

I want something i can toggle or weapon swap to to cleanse poisons on an enemy

[coral summit]

out of curiosity, why

[whole bluff]

But you can specifically target a movement skill or such

[elfin shale]

Cuz low tol poison duration and Pestilent Strike's debuff duration are different

[wintry lily]

just kill before getting killed

[coral summit]

oh that's fair yeah

[elfin shale]

Unless i get a truly absurd amount of % increased skill duration

[candid moon]

Does one of the essences give you lvl30 skill or are you talking about helm +6?

[soft perch]

essence on helm

+6 if one skill

[elfin shale]

wait other way around

[sterile crescent]

What is TnL

[cobalt blade]

wouldnt they still be poisoned since u didnt have that at the time you inflicted it best you can do is make the poison deal no damage with like ancestral bond or something

[tight plinth]

tuesday night live

[hexed mountain]

Essence gives +6 yeah then put in archdemon and +aoe level craft

[candid moon]

Throne and Liberty, mmo

[coral summit]

I'm just looking at this transition from creeping frost to forbidden rite like

[elfin shale]

Actually fuck i guess i could reduce the debuff duration couldnt i
-2 billion QoL

[full kraken]

how much "poison faster" do you have?

[coral summit]

i either need to spend 10 points on mana regen+clarity to get enough to sustain this

or I gotta lifetap it

politely, can we bump up base mana regen from 1% to like 3% LOL

[split maple]

Unveil +aoe for extra points

[tight plinth]

es ammy?

oh no es

nvm

[elfin shale]

Even with 0 it doesnt work out
What i could do is scale quality on Pestilent Strike i suppose, but even with +50% quality it only just matches Viper Strike

[hexed mountain]

Yeah but above level 30 it gives basically nothing like 7 flat damage per level

[coral summit]

if i could just run EB I would, but unfortunately I both need brass dome and reliquarian literally has no other good first nodes other than maybe maw of conquest

[elfin shale]

wait im stupid

PS is the shorter one

[hexed mountain]

So the play is more like level 30 anger then anger effect on chest

[elfin shale]

So i need more skill duration and faster poisons

[tight plinth]

kiloava is decent no?

[elfin shale]

I guess i could go Sadism lol

[candid moon]

Ig +6 could be used for early, but idk if one can ever justify it later on

[cobalt blade]

fracture the essence mod and roll +2 aura essence on top (or if it works glyphic+gem to get +int/str/dex as well)

[coral summit]

kiloava is random thus as far as i'm concerned will never work when it needs to

[hexed mountain]

Its just one mod

2 with +2 aoe

[split maple]

Would be funny seeing fractured archdemons to get Both levels and reservation efficiency

[tight plinth]

2 aura i guess

[full kraken]

yeah usually you stack a lot of "faster" for poisons on low tol builds

[coral summit]

also i'm hitting like 84 max res without trying that hard anyways

on top of divine flesh and 84 max chaos

[split maple]

Idk whens the last time I saw noninflu demon

[candid moon]

Oh right, we do have old veiled orbs now? How much do they go for?

[full kraken]

Wasting Affliction + Low Tolerance medium cluster jewels x6 or x9 if you can

[elfin shale]

The thing is Pestilent Strike is based off total poison damage so if i get a 10s low tol PS off it SHOULD deal crazy damage

[coral summit]

so 40% chance to basically have +3 max res is... not great lol

[split maple]

Veiled chaos are close to free, veiled ex are pricy

[hexed mountain]

Like level 30 anger is 260 flat fire x aura effect

[candid moon]

Nice

[elfin shale]

I just also want to have the poison going at the same time but they dont match so whenever i refresh PS ill apply a shit poison stack

[onyx adder]

Its usually better to sink passive points into upping chaos res than ele as its typically more efficient

[full kraken]

thats on death of the enemy though right? you planning to abuse that one mark that summon ghosts?

[elfin shale]

Squirming Terror

[karmic gust]

i wonder if grabbing aul is actually finally worth with this

[onyx adder]

Since u only need to up one max res instead of three

[karmic gust]

for the 50% effect

[steel light]

any updated note regarding mamba?

[onyx adder]

Not after the updated update

[hexed mountain]

Though to be fair the bigger endgame choice might be blizzard crown rather than archdemon and lightning convert

[coral summit]

Usually yeah, but I have fourth vow and 50k armour

[cobalt blade]

think party players are using it rn for grace effect

[coral summit]

the chaos dmg side of things is not a problem

it's just ele res

[full kraken]

is that confirmed working? worms are... weird in terms of how they die

[cobalt blade]

otherwise havent seen a use for it and idt this actualy makes it worth lol

[hexed mountain]

I need to check aul idk which auras go together

[coral summit]

honestly i think they super undershot reliquarian power for its release

[elfin shale]

I guess i havent tested, if it doesnt ill just go cry or something

[cobalt blade]

wrath disc grace hatred determ anger

off the top of my head

[onyx adder]

Red ones, green ones and blue ones

[tight plinth]

the color matches the charges

[onyx adder]

Ez

[hexed mountain]

Hm damn
Wrath is with discipline thats clapped

[coral summit]

looking through the list of stuff:

[hexed mountain]

So its anger

[stray sedge]

What ele type are people looking at for ele hit? cold?

[onyx adder]

They shoulda given discipline more aura effect

[solid laurel]

Ele hit got retconned

[hexed mountain]

Yeah disc is defo mid

[cobalt blade]

trinity tri ele

[solid laurel]

It's gonna not work with the bloodline

[onyx adder]

They were smart enough to do that on the old small cluster notables

[stray sedge]

???? they went against it since they talked about it hours ago? rofl

[karmic gust]

speaking about flat how did i never pobbed thunderfist mamba

[solid laurel]

Yeah lmao

[stray sedge]

🙄 ok

[karmic gust]

maybe i should try

[solid laurel]

To be fair it's correct to change

[stray sedge]

str stack it is

[onyx adder]

Its not that its mid, anger is also pretty fuckin mid, its that its just a smaller aura so its balanced around 100% of it being a smaller effect

[hexed mountain]

Anger and determination sounds kinda neat though

[onyx adder]

And hence 50% is a smaller effect

[solid laurel]

Ggg messed up

[tight plinth]

+2 proj procs with cyclone yeah?

[cobalt blade]

disc should be a 10-15% aura imo for how mid it is

like flesh and stone is strictly better or clarity with watchers eye mod etc

[hexed mountain]

Yes so for the ascendancy its mid because its 50% on a 35% aura

[cobalt blade]

arctic armour

[onyx adder]

I'll take "sentences you only hear the week before patch notes when we ran out of things to pob" for $200, Alex

[elfin shale]

wait worms dont die from prolifed DoTs. neat

[onyx adder]

FnS is kinda weaponized optimism most of the time

[elfin shale]

@full kraken It works

[onyx adder]

But i agree discipline needs a buff

[hexed mountain]

But idk not sure aul is worth because without conversion breach you cant do blizzard crown stuff

[soft perch]

lowkey it sounds good

[cobalt blade]

for alot of content yeah but its still goated for like exarch feared etc

[karmic gust]

buff discipline nerf es bases

[stray sedge]

ah yeah fun was detected. shame

[soft perch]

u gotta autoexert ancestral cry tho

[cobalt blade]

exarch balls forexample always being affected by it is massive

[karmic gust]

well thats what i was doing already anyway

[coral summit]

idk im finding a few really good things in reliquarian except they dont tend to have support from the rest of the ascendancy or they run facefirst into the jewelry display picks being 99% terrible

[hexed mountain]

Chest with good implicits is about 50% aura effect for one aura right? 10% on mastery

[candid moon]

Didnt they think ES was too strong and just nerf it? More on discipline would increase the gap between cheaper and more expensive ES builds

[hexed mountain]

So about 400 flat fire

[candid moon]

Since you ran discipline pretty much every time when running ES anw

[soft perch]

bloodlines though

[full kraken]

considering the fact reliquarian jewellery pick is literally 1:1 competing with +1 ring slot, its a tough sell

though you prolly gotta give up flasks so I guess maybe reliquarian is better

[coral summit]

yeah, even if they literally ported the scavenger picks

[soft perch]

the jewellery stuff is complete ass

[coral summit]

i think it'd still be a tough sell

[full kraken]

unless you play a build that is okay with giving up flasks :3

[hexed mountain]

Jewelry is nice if you want to use beacons and thats about it

[fossil mural]

Jewellry feels like it was balanced around bloodlines

[onyx adder]

Surely theres a number between 0% and 100% usage thats achievable tho

[coral summit]

the caster weapons have pretty nice picks for very certain skills as do martial weapons but they suffer from just not being supported by the rest of the ascendancy

[fossil mural]

Aka niche stuff

[full kraken]

they didnt even keep reduced skill effect duration on warped timepiece

[icy swan]

wil magebeblood be cheaper ?

what new belt do ?

[full kraken]

if it had had that maybe itd be good

[hexed mountain]

Oh right rhere is astral proj that is good too

[onyx adder]

Astral is really niche

[candid moon]

Depends on how many useable new belts are going to be available

[prime hill]

only reason mageblub gets cheaper is high supply

[leaden quiver]

Reliquarian is the best bleed ascendancy

Mega goated

Jack the axe is huuuge

[hexed mountain]

Yeah of course but for astral proj builds its good (obviously)

[full kraken]

You cant even take reliquarian warped timepiece and get madness stacks at same time lol

[leaden quiver]

Likely 600 regen and 30% more bleed damage?

[soft perch]

more than 600

its per enemy

[icy swan]

if this new item be same good or better ppl will buy mb less so it will be cheaper

[soft perch]

and it can be up to 5

[onyx adder]

Interesting use of plural in that sentence

[coral summit]

grace of the goddess is really nice, widowhail will always find something to be used on, beltimber/mystic refractor will always find uses, burden of shadows is actually like 35% more damage on forbidden rite but competes directly with mystic refractor, cybil's paw also is really good but competes directly with mystic refractor, and then brass dome is like the only pickable node for most builds

[hexed mountain]

Not leaguestart tho. You need the uber sirus bleed boots

[coral summit]

for armour

[prime hill]

people surely won't buy both

[hexed mountain]

@onyx adder pyroclast and shockwave

[soft perch]

rarity difference

[icy swan]

i heard they comapred one to mb in vidoe or stream

[prime hill]

fubgun was clickbaiting

[full kraken]

I was eyeing potentially reliquarian as an option for twisters if I go madness stacker using 2x Warped Timepiece for debuffs expire 200% faster

[onyx adder]

Shockwave is barely a build

[prime hill]

rest idk

[icy swan]

i see

[onyx adder]

But sure i concede 1.1 builds is plural

[candid moon]

I mean, if youre just going for resists and speed then new belt is considerably better with speed and resists shrine

[soft perch]

acceleration/echoing + resistance dessicated is definitely better than mageblood

[prime hill]

depends still tbh

[inland vortex]

Where I can find lvl<>spectre life sheet/info?

[candid moon]

But you need specific rolls which are not divineable

[soft perch]

it doesnt depend lul

[prime hill]

mageblub still fixes 200 stuff at once

[hexed mountain]

And diamond

[soft perch]

its gonna be like

[icy swan]

so thats what mageblood was giving me so far 9% resist and speed flask

[soft perch]

1k divs

[cobalt blade]

the only build u can 100% say mageblood is better on is armour stacker

[onyx adder]

With the ring slot its not close

[soft perch]

agree

[coral summit]

Straight up the only reason I'm settling with reliquarian for this setup is the combo of brass dome and mystic refractor
Occultist has a really hard time proofing itself against self-damage and still building good per-hit mitigation if it's stacking life, deadeye can't tank worth shit, and jugg can't build cast speed or damage

[prime hill]

what I think is people overselling the new belt

and instead of it being likle 90% better than mageblub

its more like 50-50

[cobalt blade]

Wdym just do the math

[soft perch]

i mean some belt combos suck

some are decent

[cobalt blade]

10 max res is what most people get from mageblood flask and 50% action speed is better than quick silver and silver

[prime hill]

I'm just talking generally, not just belt shrines etc but as in general build feel

[soft perch]

some are ludicrously broken

[hoary scarab]

the belt itself, its like 60/40, with +1 ring its 98/2

[soft perch]

it is what it is

[gentle ice]

new belt is much better than MB with the shrines since they give more power 🤔

[prime hill]

but yeah

that combo is broken yeah

[fossil mural]

And then warped rune, and then you can get somewhere maybe another 4% so it lasts 6 seconds

[cobalt blade]

Id say 70/30

[soft perch]

the belt itself is better than mageblood lol with certain combos

[cobalt blade]

its that much better

[candid moon]

More speed, AS/CastSpeed, 10% max to all res including chaos, 50% res iirc. You lose shock for ailment immune, crit if you ran diamond

[hexed mountain]

Diamond shrine accel and echo all make your clearspeed much better and its really not close

[nocturne glen]

I forgot when next league is Anyone knows?

[soft perch]

also scales with gull

[soft perch]

diamond clearspeed is defo worse than mageblood speed

[coral summit]

but yeah i dont think the belt itself will be 2% drop rate

probably like 10%

[soft perch]

its defo good for casters though that dont care that much about mageblood speed cuz they just wintry blast

[hexed mountain]

You clear maps with frostblink of wintry blast and explode with a diamond

[coral summit]

but they'll mess with the mod weightings on it a lot

[soft perch]

yes but thats casters only

[cobalt blade]

Diamond one will for sure see sanctum use

[coral summit]

so it's really really hard to find good combos

[icy swan]

u cant use flask then ?

[gentle ice]

belt might not be super rare, but mods on it might be insanely rare tho 😱

[cobalt blade]

Ye

[full kraken]

With 2x warped timepiece, stasis prison, we can hit 4.4s duration on touched debuffs for glorious madness

[cobalt blade]

You only get instant flasks

[hexed mountain]

I was doing like sub 30 seconds maps on surfcaster because of explode

[cobalt blade]

and tinctures for melee

[coral summit]

ok but like

you have to run stasis prison

[fossil mural]

One of them said good combinations will be very rare, so 100% weighted

[coral summit]

consider that LOL

[fossil mural]

Warden pag

[prime hill]

inb4 500 divs

[hexed mountain]

Why would you run stasis

[cobalt blade]

fuck warden

bad ascend smh

[hexed mountain]

You hit the breakpoint with temporal rift quality and arakaali

[candid moon]

Tldr new belt should be better than mb for most when perfectly rolled

[cobalt blade]

Yup

[hexed mountain]

With 200% from warped x2

[fossil mural]

I feel like thats overboard. 6 should be more than enough.

[coral summit]

corded belt is lowkey insane

[gentle ice]

if you can 3:1 vendor it to get new mods that belt will be worth shit ton of divs even with bad shrines

[coral summit]

you get like a 10-15% more damage implicit or a second really important anoint that makes ur build function

[hexed mountain]

You need like 254% for beacon to be comfortable

[coral summit]

on top of rolling it like you would a stygian vise

[cobalt blade]

corded belt is just pure powercreep

Because harvest synth

[candid moon]

It's t0 belt, right?

[cobalt blade]

Shrine belt is boss drop

[hexed mountain]

Is it powercreep when its a transition belt anyway?

[whole bluff]

It can mess up now and then in the amounts that were usually go-to

[fossil mural]

Why that? This puts you at 5.6 duration. This isnt functionally different from 6 no

Well slightly below 6

[candid moon]

If it's not going to be hard to farm then it's gonna be a funny league

[cobalt blade]

Ya theres still gonna be some builds where u need flasks like coruscating ones

[dusk drift]

So, new league is incoming, and after current one, i kinda found my way to comfortably play, which means i demand some stuff from my starter build,
Like : being quite tanky,
Being immune to map modifiers (immune to reflect/ immune to no regeneration),
Ideally having decent clear speed, but that's a bonus.

Good example in past league, necromancer holy relic dealing chaos dot. Healing with lancing steel life gain on hit and stuff.

I was considered something like essence drain occultist for now, but there are still some minor issues,

Anyone has some ideas what i might try?

[coral summit]

if im just running smth like this, the alternative for damage until mb/screams is arn's anguish with 7 endurance charges
except arn's anguish is only 7% more damage and fucks my phys/ele max hit

[hexed mountain]

Idk thats what i read when i researched the topic in phrecia. They said it makes sure they fade and dont stack mighr be a server tic rate thing

[cobalt blade]

for sure

[full kraken]

What other sources are there to get impale on hit for spells, other than replica heartbreaker, if we wanna go for 100% impale change reliquarian

[karmic gust]

best belt setup for sure :d

[coral summit]

(ignore the stygian vise base, the base type isn't actually in pob yet)

[cobalt blade]

entropic devastation and dont play reliquarian

[steel light]

jars of worms

[soft perch]

dont forget wine of the prophet

[coral summit]

are u forgetting a tincture in there

[fossil mural]

And then sweep for that shotgun oof

[cobalt blade]

time for the wormblaster diamond shrine hoi crits

[coral summit]

take out one jar put in tincture

[pine totem]

LO

[coral summit]

and ur gaming

[soft perch]

press it let the flask duration run out and enjoy the other 15 seconds of your buff xdd

[pine totem]

ele hit dead before arrival or what

[coral summit]

ele hit is still broken as shit

cuz penance mark southbound exists

[fossil mural]

Can stack reduced flask duration

[hexed mountain]

Probably good just without the shenanigans

[pine totem]

yeah

[coral summit]

and they havent given penance mark monsters the worm treatment

to kill that interaction

[soft perch]

you could if it existed

[cobalt blade]

inb4 shadow nerf

[pine totem]

it's fall back to be good but not actually be too broken with the number

[whole bluff]

Mathematically anyway:
234%+: 20 to <6 (largely works, can sometimes screw you)
400%+: 20 to <4 (this is what I'd want)

[elfin shale]

Entropic Devastation and dont play Reliquarian

[fossil mural]

Really? Literally nothing? Lmao

[coral summit]

and yeah dont play reliquarian if you want to do spell impale LOL

it's so bad.

[onyx adder]

At 400% u have taken about half your build and placed directly in dumpster

[fossil mural]

You just go crit

With gloves

[hexed mountain]

Technically you could run doedre's flask on the shrine belt too. Generate charges and instantly deactivate on reaching full mana

[fossil mural]

The node sucks for sure

[onyx adder]

Glorious madness is cute but it aint that cute

[full kraken]

yeah... I bet fishing rod twisters gladiator actually would do insane dps if you scaled it, but that runegraft is unobtanium

[stray sedge]

are str stacking melee ppl still stuck using crown of eyes for the spell as attack % mod? or are there other ways now?

[tight plinth]

oh yeah what happens to harby uniques now?

[coral summit]

honestly I wish I could spend two more ascendancy points to take another caster weapon instead of a jewelry or bloodline

for reliquarian

[tight plinth]

global drop pool?

[cobalt blade]

gotta run fucking enhanced temporal rift

[fossil mural]

Explode and all damage poisons can solve that half of the build

[stray sedge]

think so

[whole bluff]

Maybe ascendant changes that, but I feel like beacon for poison just wasn't worth

[coral summit]

because I want to take like

[karmic gust]

lmao

[coral summit]

two thirds of the caster ascendancy shit

[soft perch]

doedres is coded to work when youre full mana btw

[coral summit]

cybil's paw is good, burden of shadows is amazing

[whole bluff]

Reliquarian*

[coral summit]

mystic refractor is mandatory

but I can only pick one, GGG.

[soft perch]

mystic refractor is just beltimber node but worse

[cobalt blade]

still stuck with it but high end u get enough damage to not bother and theres also heavy strike of trarthus that has baseline crown

[coral summit]

it's not worse if you're already playing a ground targeting spell

[hexed mountain]

It goes out when you reach full like all mana flasks no?

[fossil mural]

Yea I used it on my traper for bossing

[coral summit]

and dont have evasion

[onyx adder]

U can also just aim for 240 like a normal human being and then u get most of ur build back

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-stare-menacing-small-tiny-gif-11902445368955716265

[soft perch]

unless youre playing poe5 where the game has slowed down so much u dont use a moveskill for 4 seconds

[onyx adder]

Plus the nice bits from the boot

[full kraken]

my gripe is none of the armor nodes are really appealing for a lot of builds

[fossil mural]

Oh yea that for sure. I thought you meant the build in general

[soft perch]

as in, u can press it when ur full mana

and sure yea

[hexed mountain]

Ah yeah so it Works with belt

[whole bluff]

Beacon poison has like, dmg options and clear. It's a high price and I'd rather solve it other ways however

[soft perch]

it also turns itself off immediately if you reach full mana ofc

[cobalt blade]

Max res is always okay but i rly dont like the 2 fucking downsides on your ascendancy node

[karmic gust]

with life jiquani you can just run doedres and never risk deactivating shrine too

[full kraken]

like I guess I take 20% movespeed

[coral summit]

has GGG ever buffed a giga underpowered ascendancy after its release in poe1, or nah

[karmic gust]

because tou dont even have mana :d

[whole bluff]

Lycia ascendancy

[icy swan]

they said this new sion will be changed with each leage, quite hard to see if its good or not etc. probalby not good idea to start with her ?

[whole bluff]

Something

[full kraken]

I feel like 23% chaos res and 20% movespeed is my most likely pick for reliquarian armor

[fossil mural]

Or whispers

[full kraken]

ignoring the ravenous thing, +20% movespeed is okay I guess... but bleh

[soft perch]

i think reliquarian is gonna have a terrible playrate

[coral summit]

if you dont have an exact build that has a reason to do it over anything else

[onyx adder]

I think about 80% of ascendancies fit this description

[coral summit]

i would not recommend it

[cobalt blade]

Technically whispers still has mana and you could get fucked over by tincture

[soft perch]

i think hc might see some reliquarians

[cobalt blade]

I think its a ruthless only ascend

[fossil mural]

Imagine not burning life with tinct

[soft perch]

cuz brass dome + thirst for blood is solid

[onyx adder]

Theres not many ascendancies that have never been dogshit

[cobalt blade]

move speed+tear of purity in ruthless actually legit

[fossil mural]

I like how he said the node was nerfed because its good in ruthless

[onyx adder]

Slayer is the only one that springs to mind

[cobalt blade]

yeah fuck that

[hexed mountain]

I really like victario mystic refractor astral proj leaguestart on pyroclast tho

[coral summit]

naw i mean like, same league

[onyx adder]

And ascendant is probably the only one that never got buffed

[full kraken]

its competing with guardian tho which is gigachad ascendancy league start

[coral summit]

ascendancy releases, it's absolutely dogshit, gets buffed a week or two later
has that happened b4 or no

[soft perch]

ummmm akchually

[cobalt blade]

have you considered that scions hotter

[karmic gust]

was zerker actually ever dogshit

[onyx adder]

GGG doesnt do any balance patches at all mid league

[soft perch]

they added passive points on the path of the x node

[cobalt blade]

Also you get cybils paw for dmg scaling

[coral summit]

cuz ik this hasnt happened in poe2 cuz lord knows if they did

[soft perch]

they werent always there

[onyx adder]

Unless its breaking the game

[coral summit]

chalupa would have gotten it

[karmic gust]

like zerker was always semi unpopular

but it was also always decent

[fossil mural]

Anymore*

Used to

😩

[onyx adder]

What

No

[fossil mural]

Poo2

[onyx adder]

They dont do balance patches excpet for broken

[cobalt blade]

They only rly do it if theres performance issues

[stray sedge]

Never forget what they took from us... rip blitz charges :' (

[soft perch]

poe2 wasnt a league

[cobalt blade]

Poe2 isnt real

[onyx adder]

What are u talking about lul this is poe1 chat

[soft perch]

so no they didnt do patch notes mid poe2 league

cuz it was fuckin 0.1

which wasnt a league

u dumbo

[heady cliff]

or except for dramatically underpowered

i guess that counts too

[rose vault]

Aurastackers hehe

[onyx adder]

Ive never seen ggg patch anything midleague for being dog shit

[fossil mural]

You mean do?

[soft perch]

andrew thinks kinetic rain is a good skill so hey

[heady cliff]

expedition flasks

[soft perch]

they dont always get everything right

[heady cliff]

kalandra currency

[cobalt blade]

didnt he say fusilade not rain

[onyx adder]

Except league mechanics

[karmic gust]

viper was also saying KR is okay before

[fossil mural]

He said its not a bad skill, not that its good

[cobalt blade]

or did he say both

[onyx adder]

Oh yea i guess flasks and mana that one time

[karmic gust]

i wonder what does ggg see that we dont :d

[heady cliff]

keepers scarabs

[leaden quiver]

On single target I mean

[hexed mountain]

Anyone tried kinetic rain on sabo?

[soft perch]

no he said he disagrees with the sentiment that kinetic rain is bad

[cobalt blade]

the secret 9 mod wand

[onyx adder]

Economy doesnt count they patch that all the time midleague

[heady cliff]

wait i might have misremembered kalandra currency

[rose vault]

The vision, we dont see the vision hehe

[heady cliff]

but keepers scarabs were recent

[hexed mountain]

Because KR has trigger tag might spawn double anomalies on sabo

[onyx adder]

Like every league almost they patch league mechanic economy

[fossil mural]

So maybe he thinks its playable, but not good

[onyx adder]

Thats separate

We talking about builds

[elfin shale]

Base KR is ass

Impact is playable

[hexed mountain]

I should just go check later if sabo does indeed double anomalies

[karmic gust]

they are both ass, base KR at least has use for coc tho

and had use for bugged pp for a bit ;d

[fossil mural]

Copium tanks

[leaden quiver]

Probably lower standards for builds

You can chill in t16 just fine with kinetic rain

Juiced content not so much

[hexed mountain]

To be fair andrew said he tested build on t10s with level 80

[fossil mural]

It has delays built in. I am not sure it can ever feel good

[hexed mountain]

So he might just not reach the point where it flops damage wise

[icy swan]

Seen one dud wideo that siad glacial.cascade can cheap hit 50kk dps ? Forgot hi name. But sont know what cheap mean to him

[finite quail]

50kk?

[fossil mural]

Probably mb + mirror

[crisp obsidian]

50mil

[hexed mountain]

Smokie i think

[fossil mural]

[soft perch]

heavy strike of trarthus easy 23453645 gazillion dps

login

i saw connor was trying to unleash that pob on the world

[fossil mural]

Just get trampletoe

[finite quail]

ah

[icy swan]

He said late game 100mln

[hexed mountain]

Gc of fissure mines with overlap

[soft perch]

shax build

eww

[finite quail]

with pob padding sure

[icy swan]

Ywha thia fissure

[hexed mountain]

Pob didnt seem padded at all. The question is are the overlaps padded

[onyx adder]

x2 is not padded

[finite quail]

Huh

[hexed mountain]

Idk never played it

[onyx adder]

Any more than x2 is potentially padded depending on aoe

[thick goblet]

nah they're not, aero has an extensive video testing it

[soft perch]

mines do a lot of damage

news at 12

i bet shock nova of procession mines are good

[icy swan]

What padd mean

[soft perch]

that skill looks like it has potential

[thick goblet]

it's ssf gear so relatively cheap

[fossil mural]

Means fake for pob dps

[hexed mountain]

Bad for your eyesight considering how aids it was already self cast

[soft perch]

bad for your eyesight = good for fun

a great tradeoff

[karmic gust]

i think theres good chance that gem wont be usable with mines, idk if we saw the gem

[soft perch]

possible ye

[finite quail]

people artificially increasing the dps on pob to make a build seem to perform better than how it does ingame

[fossil mural]

Rolling magma is bad for sight and hearing and its not fun

[onyx adder]

We didnt see

[fossil mural]

[soft perch]

mamba is fun cuz its like

idk rly degenerate

[icy swan]

So cheap nice. If dps woild be real high

[hexed mountain]

Mamba is chill as f

[finite quail]

We did not see the gem, no

[surreal musk]

is this why they nerfed woespike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVp3RsNDMac

[hexed mountain]

Lowkey i could start mamba

[heady cliff]

i'd argue that scarabs are not economy

[soft perch]

u just poke mob and they all flop over

[fossil mural]

Magma, not mamba

[heady cliff]

iirc yes

[fossil mural]

Mamba has no eye cancer

[finite quail]

But I doubt it wont' be usable with mines

[soft perch]

rolling magma is not fun because it is not fun

[hexed mountain]

Vaal flicker woespike is the biggest flopper there is

[onyx adder]

Russian man i love u but literally wat, scarabs are economy not build

[hexed mountain]

One single minion spawns and your vaal flicker flops

[fossil mural]

I like the idea a lot

[somber brook]

The new league doesn't start till the 6th?

[simple stag]

Storm Burst Totem Hiero. Static Strike Slayer. Divine Blast Slayer. Holy Strike Guardian. Bloodsoaked Champion.

[finite quail]

yep

[soft perch]

somehow divine blast looks like one of the safest starters and its a new skill which will probably get me a lot of flak from someone or other

[hexed mountain]

We dont have gem data yet even

[fossil mural]

What if... both

[finite quail]

divine blast will probably be very nice if you get the duration on it low enough

[soft perch]

idk how it works mechanically

[fossil mural]

We dont have the numbers yet right

[soft perch]

duration might only be a qol thing

[heady cliff]

scarab effect is not economy

[soft perch]

we do

they are big

[hexed mountain]

Divine blast scion with prospero

[soft perch]

they mightve changed

[fossil mural]

Oh really

[soft perch]

ya

was like double the damage of spectral shield throw and double the base crit

[fossil mural]

They specifically said this time all skills were tested, so should be no changes

[simple stag]

Not if you want to coiling too

[karmic gust]

basically same damage as shield crush fat base crit fat aoe

[finite quail]

Well yeah

[fossil mural]

Kr wont happen again

[finite quail]

Its qol for it to feel good

[onyx adder]

Its more comparable to shield crush

[finite quail]

having to wait a second and a half to deal damage isnt very fun

[simple stag]

Add seething fury foulborn emperor and maybe go ignite

[onyx adder]

SST has way better coverage

[fossil mural]

Just the support would be enough, maybe the wheel

[soft perch]

shield crush with more crit and its ranged

[heady cliff]

you are having specific shield with armor/es in mind?

[onyx adder]

Also if u think shield crush and sst were hard to scale

[heady cliff]

because otherwise it is a tradeoff between damage and crit

[karmic gust]

i wonder which one

lol

[onyx adder]

Wait till u try to do it without any crit nodes

[soft perch]

thats a fair point

[hexed mountain]

Oh damn its not a proj

[soft perch]

how the fuck do u scale its crit actually

[karmic gust]

you just use same shield everyone uses that already has armor and es

[soft perch]

inquisitor and click marylenes i guess

[simple stag]

Two sources of crit on shield defences though

[soft perch]

lmao

[onyx adder]

Let me introduce u to

[hexed mountain]

Power charges

[onyx adder]

Increased critical strikes support gem

[fossil mural]

Actually why do you need duration? It hits twice. Just clear with initial hit

[karmic gust]

well you click seething fury right

[onyx adder]

And critical strike multiplier support gem

[soft perch]

no not increased critical strikes support gem smh

[karmic gust]

you dont need crit chance

[onyx adder]

[soft perch]

its defo a marylenes angle

for crit multi

[fossil mural]

Actually 1.2m base sucks

[simple stag]

C o i l i n g

[fossil mural]

Nvm

[onyx adder]

Eh really its just seething fury

[stoic horizon]

yeah lets clear with heavy strike with no splash or extra targets

[onyx adder]

If im not memeing

And that covers multi

[fossil mural]

I noticed it has shit area so yea nvm

[onyx adder]

Its like 200 multi or some shit

[karmic gust]

the initial hit is so much smaller

[onyx adder]

Idk i didnt do the math

[void oasis]

does anyone know when the jung roan podcast is

[soft perch]

yea but inquis sends ur crit chance to the moon since this skill has monster base crit

[karmic gust]

you def want to clear with the part that has 2.9 base radius

[fossil mural]

4th I believe

[hexed mountain]

Ngl the clear on the reveal video looked extrz cringe

[void oasis]

okay so like 48 hours? cause im in aus its the 2nd for me

[karmic gust]

you could technically just elementalist too

gives you aoe as well

and decent inc crit

[soft perch]

dont get me wrong

i aint ever playin this shit

[hexed mountain]

Just get diamond belt and clear with explody chest

[soft perch]

but hey it does damage

[haughty bloom]

theres a countdown on poedb I think

[soft perch]

probably

[leaden quiver]

lower aoe

[simple stag]

Why would u need inquis if late you get over 10% base crit

[karmic gust]

i mean idk after seeing clip with its aoe

[fossil mural]

Socket in duration, take the wheel and it has like 0.5 timer

[karmic gust]

i wouldnt mind playing it

[leaden quiver]

lower duration probably makes it much better

feeling wise

[karmic gust]

only issue is how do you make it good as poison skill

then i would play it

[hexed mountain]

Still shit aoe. Looks like a storm call aoe but with no cascade

[void oasis]

tysm

[leaden quiver]

anyway maryllenes might not be worth it with it, as it likely has the same scaling as other shield skills, so it goes from 3-5 to 5-7 on level 24

[karmic gust]

[icy swan]

going witch is kinda safe fro me bc evisirate is not dead even 30% nerfs i gues... so whatever bvuild i start easy to transfer.
but other clases if build meh then - 10h levleing xD

[soft perch]

lycia

cinema

PERFECT AGONY

HOLY

[onyx adder]

U need therapy

[leaden quiver]

anyway biden blast looks good

[muted ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5MwJUug_w4 i put frostbolt and vortex of projection into my coc fross set up and holy shit look at this

[whole bluff]

Can you use lycia ascendancy to make like 90% of your dmg phys/chaos and get 100% poison chance without a ton of investment, or is poison scion with beacon of madness actually a use case?

[leaden quiver]

scales well with like, grace of the goddess or whatever

[soft perch]

its time deathbeam for the perfect agony build

[fossil mural]

2.6 is not shit aoe. Its the same as ele hit

[karmic gust]

divine shield perfect agony poison assa

chills

[hexed mountain]

Are you implying you would unironically play ele hit with +0 strikes?

[haughty bloom]

its a 🥀 usecase

[leaden quiver]

idk seems like youd have to have some crutch for clear like inpulsa still

[fossil mural]

Its absolutely playable yes

[heady cliff]

poison therapy

[leaden quiver]

uh, phys explo chest mod

and get grace of the goddess

👍

[soft perch]

cinema

[hexed mountain]

Sir you wouldnt we both know that

[fossil mural]

And crit shrine

[hexed mountain]

You need at least explode and good inc aoe to make it not cringe

Or pf spread

[icy swan]

Kinetic Fusillade some ppl seing this buld will be good, but idk if u can paly it with shield block etc

[fossil mural]

You can reach 4m easily. Thats half the screen. Enough to kill most packs

[leaden quiver]

the thing is

[soft perch]

https://poedb.tw/us/Exposure_Therapy

[stoic horizon]

only with icefang

[leaden quiver]

its not fast as fuck, as all shield skills

its just very solid on zero gear

day 1/2 shield crush has very good dps and defenses

it just has shit clear

[onyx adder]

Nobody needs that sorry

[soft perch]

its for sure probably faster than shield crush

for sure probably

:)

[whole bluff]

Boots, ammy, a labyrinth, temporal rift with enhance. Preferably action speed slow immune but you can't get that. No biggie to lose that to inflict your ailment, right? Right??

[leaden quiver]

anyway i defo wanna play biden blast

but seeing all of the other goodies like bleed reliquarian

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-smile-gif-9761218772211147420

[leaden quiver]

The_Yielding_Mortality

added to core

[muted ledge]

whats that amulet that gives your body a 7th link

[leaden quiver]

can play slam bleed

chills

crit slam bleed

[fossil mural]

Uul netols something I think?

[simple stag]

Uul netols vow

[leaden quiver]

.

[simple stag]

How u gonna pay for that 8L MANA COSTTTTT

THE COSTS ARE RAMPINGGGG

[muted ledge]

ty

[fossil mural]

Bloodmagic

[hexed mountain]

Dont pay

[stoic horizon]

cost evasion

[fossil mural]

People played 11l

[whole bluff]

Actually, runegraft of the warp and scion starting position means you only lose like 4+ passives, boots and amulet. Runegraft of the warp I can't see why I'd ever play without but losing ammy is huge

[fossil mural]

We can play 8l

[simple stag]

so many supports SO MANY WE FORGOT WHAT IT ALL COSTS

[fossil mural]

Can either lose body or amulet

[stoic horizon]

just play scion and turn all the extra mana cost into damage

[fossil mural]

5k cost spark meta

Life stack

[whole bluff]

As we say in Sweden, would you like the plague or cholera?

[soft perch]

just uhhh ummm errr ehm ehhhhhh urmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmm hrrrrrrm

[fossil mural]

Man if only rathpith worked like poe2

[karmic gust]

sounds like you need some imbued lifetap in your life

[hexed mountain]

Lowkey all damage can poison beacon with explode on scion with rebuke and molten strike with beltimber node

[simple stag]

Everybody gonna tap their life away what are you gonna imbue your CoD portal with

[fossil mural]

Storm burst

[heady cliff]

do you need help?

[fossil mural]

[hexed mountain]

Boots clear and no way you arent getting turbo dps on bosses with that

[coral summit]

I mean, current rathpith in poe1 has different tradeoffs regarding the cost

it costs you more life from full life, but never stops you from casting outright and the cost diminishes the lower your current life is as a %

[soft perch]

dual wield rebuke mamba

[hexed mountain]

Nah but really its probably good

[soft perch]

cinema

[fossil mural]

And it doesnt add to actual cost

[simple stag]

Where are the kitavas thirst enjoyers

[fossil mural]

Which is the sucky part

[soft perch]

hello

[coral summit]

poe2 it's a flat amount and easier IIRC to stack cost reduction or actually scale regen w/ their version of sacrifice of blood, but it can actually stop them from casting

[soft perch]

my favourite item

[hexed mountain]

Normal viper since you clear with beacon , it would ruin mamba wouldnt it

[simple stag]

Oh hi is this ur leg

[fossil mural]

It lets you scale damage

With ritual bloodline

[soft perch]

sir

that is kitavas feast probably

and not the hat

[coral summit]

thats more a product of witchmark+ritual bloodline rather than rathpith itself

[fossil mural]

Its hard to scale cost to relevant amounts

[soft perch]

no it isnt

lmao

its super easy

[coral summit]

if our rathpith had +cost instead of sacrifice, it'd be good

for that

[whole bluff]

If I'm giving beacon another chance, it's because Grace of the Goddess or something is 2d for a 100%+ roll

[simple stag]

What, i mean with like getting easy 100 mana upfront skills xd

[coral summit]

but it would also be a lot worse for builds that reserve down to 1% life

[whole bluff]

And I got a better idea than poison BB

[coral summit]

it'd be unusable

[soft perch]

u can easily pay 100% of your life with a skill

with witchmark

its not even slightly difficult

[heady cliff]

bog shaman my beloved :(

[simple stag]

Oh the foulborn gotcha

[coral summit]

I mean, you can do that but that usually means having to also play dissolution so if you take any dmg you get gg'd for a couple of seconds lmao

[soft perch]

foulborn kitavas is mostly just better than normal kitavas tbh

[coral summit]

the realistic cap for witchmark costs is like 45% of ur max life

if you dont want to be living in ultra clunk town

[soft perch]

ya

im just saying its easy

[fossil mural]

Oh right that works nvm 🥀

[hallow plinth]

Silly idea
Impale kinetic fusillade?

[fossil mural]

Dissolution gaming

Worse relict

[whole bluff]

Hmm. We can now disable lightpoacher ez with frostmage?

[simple stag]

Yuck spirit charges in my ele hit leg

[soft perch]

a little yea

hard to get a lot of flat phys for this skill

kboc impale had some merit

[whole bluff]

Archmage needed 20 unreserved or archmage would round base extra cost to 0. Then you had to be unable to pay like 2 mana even with giga multipliers. Frostmage is so much easier

[soft perch]

to be honest its a lot more than a silly idea but i wanted to be nice

[fossil mural]

Is there any way to become curse immune

Like immune, not just no effect

[whole bluff]

Frostmage should just be that you reserve 98% of your mana and you're done unless you have giga cost reductions

[hallow plinth]

So sick of phys skills needing to be converted to see any use

[heady cliff]

ele hit league cancelled, kinetic fusillade is the new 60% played skill

[onyx adder]

I mean ur allowed to play impale or bleed if u want theyre both fine

[heady cliff]

perfect warped timepiece 10 div inc

[fossil mural]

Impale crimson dance

[onyx adder]

Just dont do it on a skill where all ur weapon nodes are 50 passive points away from ur impale nodes

[heady cliff]

(and i only mean duration perfect, lul)

[fossil mural]

Attack roll needs to line up too sometimes

[soft perch]

well

wand skills arent phys skills

[fossil mural]

Kf is a very fast skill, easy to become faster than duration allows

[soft perch]

wand skills are very much designed to be everything

the wand itself is usually low damage

its just wands are designed to scale very generically

and are balanced around a lot of flat added damage from other sources

and the amount of flat ele you can get for kinetic fusillade is magnitudes higher than flat phys

@hallow plinth

[fossil mural]

What is there aside from gloves? I saw there is some cool shield/shields

But Ive never seen them used

[soft perch]

huh

you mean flat phys?

[fossil mural]

Ele

[soft perch]

support gems and auras...

[fossil mural]

Thats it? 😩

[soft perch]

wdym thats it thats a fuckload of flat

theres also the int stack mod on wands

[kindred silo]

light radius as well

[soft perch]

tbh most wanders are better off just slapping esh's visage on than an actual shield (aside from ballistas ofc)

esh's visage is a crazy good item for mapping

[fossil mural]

Oh right yea that

[split maple]

Wands are phys skills tho

[kindred silo]

also all the mana stuff

mana storm or the specific skills

[soft perch]

manastorm pretty low playrate atm no

after they got rid of the chain shit

[fossil mural]

Trye

[soft perch]

i think kboc plays indigon

[kindred silo]

mana storm is better on regular kb

[leaden quiver]

manastorm is good for totems

[soft perch]

fair enough

[split maple]

Oh wait only kboc has phys tag, I thought more kinetics got it

Makes sense

[soft perch]

ya cuz kboc has big phys from mana

[wet yacht]

Question. With the removal of orbs of horizon, has there been any line specifying that shaper guardian maps can also be changed with blessed orbs like the conqueror and elder guardian maps? I've only seen the latter 2 mentioned.

Or maybe that shaper guardian maps are also "bases" that can select which shaper guardian you're going to do?

[soft perch]

shaper guardian maps were always horizonable before conq or elder

so i would imagine theres no way those two are blessable and shaper guardians arent

[wet yacht]

Yeah, but notes dont mention they cna be rerolled wirb blessed

[split maple]

Shapers are separate maps yea

[fossil mural]

They forgor

[stoic horizon]

they did mention these on the first qna with ziggy iirc

[split maple]

Idk how that gonna work

[haughty bloom]

yo whats with this scion powercreep this ascendancy is op op

[wet yacht]

Welp...gotta go watch the qna

[leaden quiver]

this ascendancy is very mid

half the nodes are never-pick

[fossil mural]

Trust in the flicker/bleed/boots

[stoic horizon]

same as scavenger and it was strong and popular

[split maple]

i am kinda dissapointed with reliquarian

like its pretty niche

[soft perch]

same

[fossil mural]

Even doe the ascendancy theme should be versatility

[leaden quiver]

only thing im trusting in is brass dome/jack the axe/tear of purity for bleed attacks

[surreal musk]

ur just unimaginative and unaware theres so many powerful combos! -reddit

(/s)

[split maple]

there are many powerful combos sure

[soft perch]

i think they should make the nodes stronger next time on average, i dont like the design philosophy

[kindred silo]

that was my expectation

[split maple]

just lacks generic power

[leaden quiver]

reddit needed 10000 explainers on how ele hit benefits from the breachlord ascendancy

before they nerfed it

[prime hill]

most of the combos are DoA

after the reveal

[kindred silo]

but like the jewelery ones r so ass

[fossil mural]

The life to flat node 😩

Ig you can rathpith it

[prime hill]

most of the uniques got the worst part of their wordings anyway

[leaden quiver]

yeah jewellery is just astral projector + tear of purity

/shrugu

[soft perch]

jewellery is ok nice i get to click a bloodline

[cobalt blade]

Love downsides on ascendancy nodes and printing a bunch of shit with the mid lines on it

[stoic horizon]

it was funny seeing so many ppl question if you still need foci with the node

[tranquil sedge]

its reddit

[kindred silo]

it really does feel like all of the power of reliquary just went into brass dome

[leaden quiver]

foci

look at mr fancy pants

abyssi helmets

[stoic horizon]

thats the plural form sir

[fossil mural]

One of the nodes is 120% spell damage and 20 life on spell hit

[leaden quiver]

i know sir

[fossil mural]

And you have to go block for it

[stray sedge]

ya fk this we go str stacking

[cobalt blade]

And its one of the better nodes

[haughty bloom]

20% movement speed + 5% life recovered on kill + ranged nova dark pact would be a very compy day 1 2 3 farmer. Then switch to normal scion or second character from there

[soft perch]

i think the thirst for blood node is really good

caught

[prime hill]

damn I said I might go wocot depending on how fancy I feel to a friend

and he was like

"nice suicide note, see you"

[cobalt blade]

its okay but i hate that its life reserve

[leaden quiver]

10% aint that bad

[stoic horizon]

if you dont mind a zhp miner build then go ahead

[prime hill]

not really zhp

[cobalt blade]

ya but i like clicking ci

[stoic horizon]

free max res

[prime hill]

miners are not that zhp as you'd think tbh

that goes to trappers

[stoic horizon]

just pull up the dudes pob and see

[leaden quiver]

you go petriblood + thirst for blood and are chilling

[stoic horizon]

it is zhp

[leaden quiver]

with jack the axe

[wintry lily]

you clearly havent tried hard enough to go zhp

[leaden quiver]

you can play a proper weapon like:

[kindred silo]

sabo miners dont really have to be zhp

[cobalt blade]

Ya its prob fine

[stoic horizon]

its scion miner thou

[kindred silo]

scion should get reasonably tanky

[prime hill]

scion miner is DoA

[kindred silo]

w/ brass dome

[prime hill]

it's most likely gonna be trickster

[leaden quiver]

why would it be DoA

lmao

[stoic horizon]

then you wait for astral projector for real clear

[prime hill]

some good nodes that were expected is pretty bad so why not go trickster

[prime hill]

yeeee

[leaden quiver]

waaait

you can do will of xoph

• pyroclast mine of sabotage

pagman

0.0% use ring

[prime hill]

yeah pyroclast looks real good

tbh idk what I even wanna play

[stoic horizon]

for pyroclast you can go aura node, refractor and astral

although thats all nodes invested into offense

[leaden quiver]

pyroclast of sabotage is for other stuff

not as main clear

[prime hill]

tbh im just bored of normal builds

im in my mine time now

cuz I wanna use spells......

[flint maple]

Do we know when keepers officially ends? Also, do we know if our kingsmarch crops merge to standard?

[surreal musk]

play an unleash seal stacker meme

12 seals possible this patch

[leaden quiver]

cycle two skills with unleash

holy pagman

[prime hill]

I tried awhile ago but that was before bloodlines etc

[stoic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-seal-seal-dance-seal-dancing-seal-seals-gif-17832446272461573261

[surreal musk]

id cycle like 4 or 5

[prime hill]

but yeah 25k ehp is not zhp when we talk about miners etc

my sanctum runner had like 5k

[leaden quiver]

unleash is gonna feel like shit at 10 seals btw

double cast time

[onyx adder]

the hidden unleash penalty feels so bad

[wintry lily]

idk, 25k ehp is like

low end

[onyx adder]

ggg should understand we cant see the animation anyway

[prime hill]

still workable

I played worse