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worthy cave
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Sure

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But yoiu know the breachlord bloodline?

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The one that ignores res if you have 2 cryonic rings?

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You can get +2 to cold skills if you wear 4+ foulborns

icy zinc
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its ok not insane

kindred silo
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why tf would u want to go cold ele hit

worthy cave
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To freeze things?

crisp obsidian
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Can even use them on amulet for some extra phys taken as fire right

tranquil umbra
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freeze is a good status

crisp obsidian
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3% extra POG

karmic gust
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yea

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also huge for stuff like ashes

crisp obsidian
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Oh true

astral shadow
karmic gust
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rip mamba

crisp obsidian
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Hey mamba is coming back

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Ggg promised to fix

worthy cave
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You can sort of freeze them if you're warden 😛

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Mamba is coming back? In what capacity?

karmic gust
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true viper promised he will fix it peersonally

whole bluff
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wait, do the catalysts work on uniques?

hybrid harness
whole bluff
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the new ones?

crisp obsidian
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Xddd

tranquil umbra
worthy cave
hybrid harness
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what skills does pathfinder even have left

opaque wing
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Uniques don't really have prefix/suffixes, so unlikely imo

whole bluff
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cuz the affixes are just mods, not prefix/suffix?

karmic gust
tranquil umbra
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oh right yeah

crisp obsidian
karmic gust
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there are no pathfinders left next leaguetho

crisp obsidian
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Hmmm

karmic gust
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with the new belt

worthy cave
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depends how expensive the belt is

hybrid harness
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yea outdated asc frfr

karmic gust
whole bluff
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they dont read as it iirc

crisp obsidian
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Ig they are unique modifiers

worthy cave
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I can imagine crit + ele res gonna be worth a LOT

crisp obsidian
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Now that I think of it

whole bluff
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maybe veiled mods on cata uniques

tranquil umbra
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this league it should not be super expensive since it's from the league mechanic

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next league trolldespair

whole bluff
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I havent a clue tbf

astral shadow
tranquil umbra
crisp obsidian
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If ggg nerfs the belt community gonna rage

karmic gust
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well the item being good do not correlates to its price

stoic horizon
karmic gust
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i doubt it will be mirror

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as it comes from league boss

hybrid harness
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depends on rarity and if u can roll the shrine mods. if it's MB price for the good combo I don't care

whole bluff
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there's like 49 shrine combos or something like that probably

astral shadow
tranquil umbra
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yes

whole bluff
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5-9 offensive + 9-5 defensive

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so 45-49 combinations

astral shadow
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Time to boss farm xd

hybrid harness
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it's gonna be like maven inv, giga expensive entry but jackpot if u hit

warm musk
placid inlet
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How does the third ring + a kalandras touch work?

karmic gust
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but yea i dont think it will cost more than mb

hybrid harness
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yea but imagine that rarity and then u need to hit the combo

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but surely it wont be that bad

placid inlet
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If its 9 offensive and 9 defensive, its 1/81, assuming equal w.. Yeah okay yall cooked

karmic gust
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there arent even 9 defensive shrines in the game

cerulean breach
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has anyone here ever done tornado + eye of winter spellslinger chain shenanigans?

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in my experimenting you can easy get 20 hits / cast with it

modest depot
true falcon
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With Holy Sweep, does it hit, and then the hammer hits again?

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Or does it flag enemies for falling hammers

dire valley
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I really hope that the Harbi rework will be worth it

stoic horizon
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just the hammer has reduced dmg

icy zinc
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hopefully the quality is something substantial for holy sweep

heady cliff
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@karmic gust any easy way to solve flasks at shadow area?

karmic gust
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+0.5 base aoe for hammersr per 1% qual

icy zinc
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i think its the call down thingy

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xd

heady cliff
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ranger has that flask duration cluster + 100% flask for ailment mastery

split pagoda
icy zinc
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well in showcase its already 20% qual

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just cant tell what

heady cliff
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but shadow flask wheel is omegalul

stoic horizon
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cuz the gem already has qual factored in

karmic gust
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it requires ashes

icy zinc
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ashes extraordinare

karmic gust
icy zinc
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storm burst ashes with diallas tho

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storm burst buffed

heady cliff
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being able to have flasks actually up in early mapping

cobalt blade
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drop mageblood in a t8 map Pogott

kindred silo
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why do u need perma flasks in early mapping?

heady cliff
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that is not exactly trivial without flask qual and low map tiers

icy zinc
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😆

placid inlet
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Kill stuff - get charges?

karmic gust
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well you can still click careful conservrationist right

icy zinc
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33% increased charges gain belt mod

cobalt blade
karmic gust
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if you want more charges

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before traitor/tides theres not much else

icy zinc
heady cliff
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yes but is there no better way? that wheel is so bad compared to natural remedies

cobalt blade
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its 1 charge on 1 flask every 0.1 seconds

icy zinc
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0.1ms cd

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ye

karmic gust
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i mean its 30% flask charges gained its pretty good

heady cliff
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you grab 100% mastery anyway

icy zinc
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and 1 charge under 100% increased charge effect is 2 charge

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so 20 charges every 1 sec

cobalt blade
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but thats a global cd so 10 charges per second you need like 30 to use a flask

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Thereforge its bad

cobalt blade
icy zinc
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4 every second?!

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holy

heady cliff
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and natural remedies with 45% duration is insanely better :(

icy zinc
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🧘‍♂️

karmic gust
icy zinc
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but ye whatever rly

cobalt blade
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Yah

karmic gust
cobalt blade
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Its sucha bad mod 99% of the time lol

karmic gust
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blame ggg for removing the jewels

karmic gust
dim sonnet
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damn act1 in almost an hour. im so rusty

cobalt blade
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Ay good for progen sustain there

icy zinc
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but two enkindled progens

cerulean breach
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why is no one playing volatile dead spellslinger

karmic gust
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technically also good as single prefix on one of your magics i guess

cerulean breach
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the base damage numbers look pretty sick

karmic gust
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that you care most about

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but magics suck so not super useful

heady cliff
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1c faminebind with that charge gained wheel maybe

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but this is still eeeeeew

icy zinc
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pun intended

cerulean breach
icy zinc
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its in the name

cobalt blade
cerulean breach
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...

cobalt blade
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Its good for diamond flask uptime

icy zinc
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illegal technique noticed, surgeons on diamond flask

cobalt blade
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i mean its close to perma uptime when you actually need a diamond flask

heady cliff
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shadow start is so bad compared to ranger

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almost zero movement speed, bad movement skills

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no flask access

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at least mines give omegadamage to compensate

hard cliff
haughty gale
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just drop a seven leagues step lol

haughty gale
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I imagine a speedrun doesnt spend time in trade

hard cliff
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I'm thinking if he makes a league start guide for it

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paestromi might also

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palstromi

molten hazel
haughty gale
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I wanna try spark but afraid of it being mega doo doo

native abyss
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mmm

placid inlet
stoic horizon
placid inlet
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Bro makes a point out of figuring out how to make bugs break the game in funny or OP ways

tranquil umbra
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how much does a warped timepiece cost nowadays

stoic horizon
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3 necropolis maps

golden moat
trail laurel
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Anyone know how to get progenesis flask?

stoic horizon
trim sleet
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Piragon

heady cliff
stoic shore
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@haughty gale

heady cliff
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but that was probably due to neversink not tiering it higher

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it is pretty common

placid inlet
gritty garnet
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it was cheaper than timeclasp because it's always negative at least

stoic shore
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Think ur Prada or
Sum shit UHM

haughty gale
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@stoic shore

icy zinc
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so called dps maxxers when they meet 100% deli 45 soul eaten rare mob (it has 96% less + -90% less dmg taken)

gritty garnet
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in phrecia, but there might be less supply from early foulborn uniques

icy zinc
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skull emoji

gritty garnet
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they are maxxing dps taken

stoic shore
haughty gale
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oh I am well aware

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I tried archmage spark and it was pretty ass

stoic shore
tranquil umbra
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when exactly do you start needing timeclasp and warped timepiece btw

haughty gale
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though I am sure it would be better at high investment

hard cliff
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how can something be bad on arch mage

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it's free damage

stoic shore
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I just don’t like how you can’t even play spark through campaign

haughty gale
hard cliff
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I played Arc eblade Keeper league and felt like I brought it back to it's glory days

gritty garnet
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I think it would be really funny if spark went poof when they hit the mirage borders instead of bouncing

hard cliff
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Vaal arc giga blasting maps was awesome

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plus two sources of lucky damage rolls

haughty gale
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funny thing about spark, in poe1 they fixed the bug where when you cast it agaisnt a wall it would dissapear

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they kept the bug in poe2

haughty gale
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at least last time I checked

gritty garnet
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yeah when your character is inside obstacles

icy zinc
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i still wonder which mechanics wont be miraged

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like harvest or something

gritty garnet
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stuff that has their own area I bet

icy zinc
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like wtf... double crop rota harvest miraged

lean urchin
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doesnt work

icy zinc
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doesnt matter

haughty gale
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I am more curious about 8x ritual

hard cliff
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I hope harvest is just the plots in mirage and you can have other mechanics at the same time you're doing plants

Would be hilarious

haughty gale
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cause it keeps compounding the rewards

gritty garnet
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alva maybe if they just respawn monsters on the same temple but they did say it was supposed to be shuffled

icy zinc
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and jun...

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what will jun do

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2 researches?!

gritty garnet
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whoops all intervention

icy zinc
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whoops intervene

stoic horizon
haughty gale
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jun changes sides to the syndicate

stoic horizon
icy zinc
hard cliff
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Harvest bla

icy zinc
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choir 40k mana

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lfg

tranquil umbra
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Ultimatum

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Mirage

icy zinc
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stack light res

stoic horizon
onyx adder
icy zinc
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i watched livestream with one eye

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and q/a through transcript

onyx adder
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I didnt watch it

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Its in the qna transcript somewhere

icy zinc
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washedtowerdefence

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nice

coral summit
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hold on

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i just got out of bed thinking about this

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the hinekora death's fury buff would pad over a shit clear skill on chieftain, right

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what if we literally just played molten strike chieftain like it's 2014 or something

gritty garnet
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it would be thematic if jun did have some form of interaction with whatever their order is called

coral summit
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you can get level 1 returning proj on a 20/20 molten strike

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with the imbue

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or slower proj.

onyx adder
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Imo the explody buff wont help much with molten clear

coral summit
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(or any proj modifier really)

stoic horizon
haughty gale
onyx adder
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The issue with that skill is more delay than coverage

haughty gale
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wait they changed it only affect the return proj didnt they

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nvm

stoic horizon
coral summit
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you can do like, hinekora+built in ancestral call+valako for a bit, then once will of xoph goes up

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do a bunch of 12p fire clusters

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with attack speed and effect

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build enmity's embrace

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get a metric fuckton of flat fire damage from big anger+immolate, run it on frostbreath for double damage

icy zinc
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will of xoph had a wooping 0.0% use in keepers

karmic gust
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frostbreath molten sounds super scuffed

coral summit
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let me cook hang on

hoary scarab
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no

coral summit
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you would drop the +2 strikes later cuz you want to do shaper/elder helmet

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but you still get another link

icy zinc
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at least do the 12link squire setup smh

trail laurel
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Can someone help me get a progenesis flask???

icy zinc
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13link cus imbued

coral summit
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early on u dont use frostbreath cuz u need other stuff

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though it's like

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tempting?

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let me check the math

icy zinc
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theres a lot of gems that are quite laughable difference from 1 to 20

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power charge on crit, endurance charge on stun etc

stoic horizon
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charged mines/traps

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(but that can roll only on skills that are these baseline)

icy zinc
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charged traps might be actually goated

coral summit
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The problem early on is if you used frostbreath, you don't get that many modifiers that add uhh

trail laurel
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Can someone help me get a progenesis flask???

coral summit
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close to your start

haughty gale
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can you shut up?

coral summit
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you dont get generic attack dmg

haughty gale
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go beg in global chat jesus

karmic gust
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global chatters smh

stoic horizon
icy zinc
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can someone help me get pregnant?!?

haughty gale
hoary scarab
icy zinc
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pregnant flask?!

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anyways

strong totem
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Pregenesnant

stoic horizon
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pomegranate flask

hoary scarab
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pergenat

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Gregnant

stoic horizon
karmic gust
full kraken
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Whats considered the standard way to get pob working on linux nowadays, specifically debian+wayland?

I swapped my main laptop over to debian a week ago and forgot about PoB as a thing to get working lol, is it just using wine?

dark grove
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Can you migrate 1 character from keepers to standard?

haughty gale
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using linux with poe must be a pain

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not cause of the game itself but all the third party sht

full kraken
stoic horizon
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mr linux man is here, almost pinged you

full kraken
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its pretty much just pob that is the main thing, and woke trade if you use it

full lava
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how does one get divines orb fast

karmic gust
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never was able to get woke poe trade working on wayland

full lava
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this guy edge me lol

karmic gust
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worked on x11 before

hoary scarab
karmic gust
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but other than that yea

stoic horizon
haughty gale
full lava
full kraken
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or wait does that even give a divine

stoic horizon
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uhh

full lava
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i play the game still little to no divines

hoary scarab
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call 1 800 Get-Divines-Now

dark grove
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Wait u cant migrate to standard now?

full lava
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i feel like that one squidward meme

haughty gale
stoic horizon
thick goblet
full kraken
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is it not possible to build it for linux oneself without wine? or does it depend on some win32 lib stuff?

karmic gust
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well pobfrontend is super outdated now so yea thats like the best way

full lava
golden phoenix
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Do I take a nap or do I do a second A10 speedrun of the day?

thick goblet
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whoa lily message without cat emoji

full kraken
golden phoenix
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Or do I play hurdy gurdy

haughty gale
golden phoenix
karmic gust
stoic horizon
onyx adder
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Whats ur act time

stoic horizon
golden phoenix
full lava
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cool idk how people get so many divines

full kraken
onyx adder
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U got time then

karmic gust
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no

onyx adder
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Its only early afternoon

full kraken
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aight, no probs

haughty gale
full lava
karmic gust
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but its same thing

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just wrapper for proton

haughty gale
karmic gust
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instead

stray sedge
full kraken
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though my copilot premium requests are about to refresh in 12 hours, maybe I throw opus 4.5 at it and see if it can get it to work on linux with a fork

golden phoenix
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Ah, Guilhem, he's great

stray sedge
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How fast do you finish a1?

golden phoenix
stray sedge
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Damn. It's the one I'm the worst at

golden phoenix
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Luckily it's the easiest one to practice

haughty gale
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always found it funny how a1 is the hardest act

onyx adder
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a1 is a slow act i wouldnt feel too bad

stray sedge
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Otherwise I can do about 5h pretty easy

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Haha yeah

fierce rock
haughty gale
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ggg really ought to fix the campaign difficulty scaling

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I feel like a lot of people quit thinking it only gets harder from act 1

golden phoenix
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Man, every time I listen to Guilhem I'm like.. I'll never be this good

karmic gust
heady cliff
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in this channel

golden phoenix
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I was about to say far from it until you qualified it with in this channel

karmic gust
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you ca also add pob to steam as external game

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but it do not tracks time for those

golden phoenix
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That I can believe is at least somewhat plausible

onyx adder
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Tie23 used to chat in here sometimes

karmic gust
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so its useless 🙁

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i was hoping it will track playtime

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in pob

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sadge

fierce rock
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brb PMing ben to flex on everyone in the server really quick

onyx adder
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I havent seen im in a while tho

golden phoenix
lean urchin
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uninstall snack break

karmic gust
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no food allowed in this chat

fierce rock
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Local Gamer starves to death while "speedrunning" murder simulator game

haughty gale
onyx adder
karmic gust
leaden gust
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i think that extends beyond this discord

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kinda globally

stoic horizon
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almost

karmic gust
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idk seemed fine in tv

leaden gust
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ye who hasnt enjoyed some late night relaxation with cannibal holocaust

stoic horizon
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in theory in some countries cannibalism is legal, just the killing part isnt

full kraken
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I wish there was an "increased minion duration" notable on the tree other than Enduring Bond

haughty gale
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you can just eat a bit

stoic horizon
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i'd assume selling human meat would also be rather illegal

karmic gust
haughty gale
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trust

stoic horizon
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just say its chicken

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everything tastes like chicken

hard cliff
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@stoic horizon

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ZEMOR GAMING

stoic horizon
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me

hard cliff
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LOCK IN

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I'm pissed my build is meta

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this is the price for playing a good build tho

haughty gale
full kraken
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high key... I think my biggest upgrade I could get with the new belt to my build is now I can annoint Dynamo or Testudo, dunno which I would prefer

full kraken
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opening up being able to actually use a guard skill is very nice

haughty gale
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apparently they are changing it tho

stoic horizon
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the blight base didnt sound as something extremally rare

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other than the part where less ppl will farm blight cuz nerfs

full kraken
haughty gale
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ah just read the first half

full kraken
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Im eyeing the annoint belt base as a better option than stygian vise

haughty gale
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thought you were talking about the shrien belt

strong totem
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Imagine annoint belts being as rare as heist jewelry

stoic horizon
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you can also synth it after annoint

full kraken
full kraken
stoic horizon
hardy heron
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I think the cord belt is overrated (still really good tho). Mainly because you're already getting the best anoint for your build, so it would have to be the second best notable that isn't already in range of the rest of your passive tree

solid stratus
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im the trashmancer

stoic horizon
full kraken
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some builds have specific annoints they chase, IE getting all 3 +1max charge notables

haughty gale
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how many annoints can we get in total now? 9?

full kraken
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pretty much any stacker build salivates over annoints

solid stratus
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is there a raccoon pet

tranquil umbra
solid stratus
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i should find out

strong totem
full kraken
haughty gale
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should be 9

full kraken
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or is it 4 on ammy

stoic horizon
tranquil umbra
full kraken
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you can get 2 annoints on the one helm cant you

stoic horizon
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uhhh

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actually i dont know after they removed lab enchants

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does the helm still say it can get an extra enchant?

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ok they do

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yes they can have 2 annoints

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you can have 10 annoints

karmic gust
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annoint stackers smh

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when will it end

fierce rock
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is there a death stacker build yet? i'd be really good at it

haughty gale
stoic horizon
haughty gale
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with trauma support as a cherry on top

stoic horizon
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cod discharge

haughty gale
leaden gust
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kinda hoping some OP bv/wo/spark build pops up for this league

haughty gale
karmic gust
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i mean it can, accel shrine is rly good forit

fierce rock
karmic gust
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but worb is still arbage

haughty gale
hoary scarab
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unleash frostmage spark Pogott

haughty gale
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a dev said it

fickle glen
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i swear these devs did this on purpose, you can't use skill on A button on controller if there is an interact nearby, and you can't use left click to interact if you have a skill on it with ''always attack without moving''

fierce rock
haughty gale
karmic gust
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worb totems might work now with the proj speed change tho

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probably

haughty gale
tranquil umbra
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with ci

fickle glen
tranquil umbra
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read the replied message

leaden gust
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i mean if youre going totem theres like multiple better skills to use than worb XD

haughty gale
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leap slam totems best totems

proud gorge
#

oh hey, that's a funny idea actually. Holy Sweep was outright stated to have overlaps on its falling hammers, which could be a lot of damage, but only issue is you'd need some way to generate a bunch of extra hittable targets on a boss fight.

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Enter: Worm Flask

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Holy Sweep Wormblaster stonks

fickle glen
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btw why don't gems auto lvl up when i am using mouse?

lean urchin
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rock music starts

haughty gale
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they had worms in the trailer for it I think

tight plinth
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hala habibi, how is your laptop?

lucid gale
tranquil umbra
cobalt blade
fickle glen
haughty gale
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GARBAGE

fickle glen
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sold my xbox today

proud gorge
vale holly
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Are Shuddering "Rarer" in delve than other fossils?

cerulean breach
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why can I not find foulborn items in path of building?

tight plinth
cobalt blade
hard cliff
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wow

fickle glen
cerulean breach
hard cliff
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How expensive are fortify beacons of madness usually early league ?

tight plinth
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yay, mabrook

cobalt blade
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but they should be in next update

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just copy the items from trade

karmic gust
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just saying

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also its limited unlike melee splash

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so its just straight up worse than doing same thing with melee splash

fickle glen
cerulean breach
cobalt blade
cerulean breach
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then what's this from an imported build?

cobalt blade
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yes

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just copy the items from trade

lucid gale
fickle glen
stoic horizon
tight plinth
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i worked in the middle east for a looooooooooooong time

karmic gust
tight plinth
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ashara sana habibi

stoic horizon
fickle glen
karmic gust
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yea hydro sounds fine i guess

tight plinth
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it is indeed

cedar walrus
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Did mana stacker get nerfed for 3.29? Trying to decide between ball lightning archmage and HRoC build

tight plinth
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well at least poe is playable now, so yay

karmic gust
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also halved es from int idk how much mana stackers reied on that one tho

cobalt blade
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barely

cedar walrus
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amulet wasn't mandatory thankfully but yeah that es nerf might be a bit rough ty

cobalt blade
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most of their ES comes from the gain as conversion

hardy heron
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Conversion is flat es though

cobalt blade
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its not

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the inc es and inc mana are additive

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with watchers eye and hiero gain as

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its only radiant faith where its flat ES

hardy heron
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Oh ok

tight plinth
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does this work? marauderthinking

karmic gust
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no reason why it wouldnt

cobalt blade
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ya you could use that for perma recharge

tight plinth
modern zinc
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that's a pretty pog combination tbh

stoic horizon
bold scarab
karmic gust
#

well its just to get the effect perma from the flask itself right

tight plinth
#

yeap

cobalt blade
tranquil umbra
#

the best application of holy sweep so far has been to use it on general's cry

cobalt blade
#

probably actually worth considering on PF does the remove life on use kill you with CI i dont remember

tight plinth
#

but no automation for mana flask yeah?

stoic horizon
#

nop

cobalt blade
#

ye no autmation

tight plinth
#

well balls

#

pressing flasks in 2026?

#

no thanks

stoic horizon
#

with no queueing on top

karmic gust
#

less investment than ammy slot

#

but also flask duration isnt hard to get

#

so shouldnt be super hard to sustain tht

tight plinth
#

yeah i think it works better on none pf since pf already has surgeon

hardy heron
#

Poe players hate having to interact with their game. This is part of why RF is so popular

cobalt blade
tight plinth
#

pressing flask every x second is hardly interacting

#

ooooh how about the ammy and indigon exaltThink

cobalt blade
#

ithink deathbeam posted smth with that a while ago

hoary scarab
tight plinth
#

temu pathfinder

cobalt blade
#

it seemed like alot of investment to make work tho so your actual damage was a bit cooked

tight plinth
#

ah balls

cobalt blade
tight plinth
#

ammy is such a high investment

cobalt blade
#

i dont like that it disables going shrine belt :p

tight plinth
#

hahaha

cobalt blade
#

can presumably do accel shrine+repleneshing shrine and accomplish the same thing

karmic gust
tight plinth
#

everyone aiming for shrine belt

karmic gust
#

well the belt is broken so makes sense :d

haughty gale
#

I always get decision paralysis when it comes to picking amulet

cobalt blade
#

love the potential power of it

haughty gale
#

amulet is probably the best designed slot

#

most build have like 5 good optiosn that are hard to decide between

proud gorge
# karmic gust holy sweep hammer aoe is smaller than melee splash

The highest DE strike skill is Glacial Hammer with 622% DE. Melee splash shotguns only to secondary targets, so if you're using just 1 regular +1 from attack mastery, that's 622% from the regular attack, plus 373% DE from the splash, for a total 995% DE at the cost of one support gem. If you instead used Ancestral Call plus Attack Mastery, for a total of four targets (assuming you hit the GC melee strike directly) that's a total 1741 DE at the cost of two support gems.

Holy Sweep has a natural 440% DE, and each hammer has 286% DE. This means with no worms, no overlaps, Holy Sweep has 726% DE. If you have two worms (one worm flask), that becomes 1298 DE, four worms its 1870 DE, and six worms its 2442% DE. The skill calls down 8 hammers at level 20, for a potential maximum 2728% DE per swing, with no support gems. Granted, its attack speed is also 70% of base, so the realistic 6 worm number is around 1709% DE per one base attack time, again, at the cost of zero support gems.

cerulean breach
#

how the fuck was this made

modern zinc
#

hopes and dreams

leaden gust
#

a chaos orb

cerulean breach
#

that's triple elevated with essence mod and unveiled mod and t1 life

karmic gust
haughty gale
stoic horizon
karmic gust
#

also that yea :d

proud gorge
#

Heavy Strike has a lower natural DE

stoic horizon
#

pretty sure vigilant has higher de as well

proud gorge
#

I'm not counting Vigilant

stoic horizon
#

ah you include attack speed

proud gorge
#

you can't actually use that as a strike most of the time

stoic horizon
#

its not impossible if you build around it

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phrecia had vigil strike builds and its not much worse on jugg

proud gorge
#

yeah but I'm calculating basic use cases

cobalt blade
# cerulean breach

essence for hypo/any other influnce mod hit the woke orb > reforge crit > hit 3% crit > woke orb and dont be unlucky> suff cant be changed>reforge influence hope it hits conc effect +any other influence mod > lock elevate conc>suff cant be changed lock veiled exalt hit +2>lock slam life

#

roughly

proud gorge
#

you can't really compare Holy Sweep basekit to fully built endurance charge generation vigilant strike

cobalt blade
#

suffixes are definitely the easy part :p

proud gorge
#

but yeah, I did forget about Tribal Fury

karmic gust
#

anyway that whole calc falls off as soon as you account for tribal fury, and also ancestral cry

proud gorge
#

I did account for Ancestral Cry

stoic horizon
#

oh wait heavy strike actually has lower de

#

if we ignore built in double dmg chance

#

552% on heavy

karmic gust
#

woke ancestral is +3 ancestral cry another +2, then attack mastery +1, its 7 total hits, 6 of them splashes technically

proud gorge
#

Tribal Fury plus attack mastery gives a total DE of 1368% with two targets, at the cost of an attack mastery, Tribal Fury, a support gem, and also having to hit your melee strike skill directly

#

I'm not counting awakened ancestral call, we don't know if that even exists

#

and again, you can't be accounting for temporary/single use buffs

#

when comparing against Holy Sweep, which does this by default on every attack with no supports

karmic gust
#

ancestral cry is not temporary buff

#

also you are comparing against worms

#

so even if it was not 100% uptime

proud gorge
#

yes? You have to use worms for this Melee Splash bullshit also

stoic horizon
#

how do you even position worms on the boss with the small hammer aoe

karmic gust
#

you dont have infinite worms either

haughty gale
#

they literally fall out of your ass

proud gorge
#

because if accounting for buffs then I also have to account for every single possible buff Holy Sweep could be under

#

which is plenty

karmic gust
#

no?

#

you cant scale the extra targts of sweep

proud gorge
#

I'm trying to compare a very basekit baseline calculation

warm musk
#

So is Holy Sweep goated?

proud gorge
#

and you're like "oh but Melee Splash wins if you give it twelve buffs and a bunch of support gems and a whole build"

karmic gust
#

well my point was that doing it is garbage

#

when even melee splash does it better

proud gorge
#

"ignore that Holy Sweep can also get a bunch of buffs only use its basekit"

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like wow, I'm sure your build is better when you're comparing a fully built build to a level 20 gem with no supports

karmic gust
#

im only including stuff that scales extra targets

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because that is the only thing relevant

#

because sweep cant scale the targets

#

thats like saying that you should not account for extra projs when comparing multihit skill to fireball

proud gorge
#

you do understand, rationally, that every single "extra target" effect you're talking about has a cost, right?

#

like, these aren't free

karmic gust
#

they are free

haughty gale
#

"added a new support, schizophrenia, strike skills always target an addiotal enemy even if they arent there"

proud gorge
#

you can't just go "oh include these buffs because they're extra targets, but ignore all buffs for Sweep because it doesn't naturally get extra targets"

stoic horizon
proud gorge
#

like wow, turns out everything has a cost, and you can't go "yes include twelve buffs and two supports and masteries and passive tree and a whole build to make Melee Splash good, but also fuck you you're not allowed to include any buffs at all for Holy Sweep"

karmic gust
#

that doesnt even make sense

#

again are you comparing single hit ice spear damage to fireball damage?

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no

hard cliff
karmic gust
#

so what are you talking about

stoic horizon
proud gorge
#

okay, but you're trying to compare fully buffed ice spear damage to a level 20 unsupported fireball

karmic gust
#

no im comparing gmp ice spear to fireball

proud gorge
#

and going "lmao look how much better my build is because I included 12 buffs on it"

karmic gust
#

also its literarlly just support gem, mastery and warcry

proud gorge
#

Holy Sweep can also get buffs, dumbass

#

also support gems

#

if you're seriously trying to argue that your build is better if you include an entire build vs a level 20 gem with no supports, then you're a complete dumbass

karmic gust
#

you are rly trying to make that worm meme sound good huh :d

proud gorge
#

which, mind you, was competitive in terms of dps even with no buffs and no supports

#

versus mister twelve buffs and two supports and a whole build behind it over here

proud gorge
#

wow I guess nothing costs anything right

haughty gale
#

watching you two is definitely free

karmic gust
#

hope you realize you are trying your hardest to argue against melee splash worm build

tranquil umbra
karmic gust
#

which isnt even a thing and was never a thing

#

and yet its still something that is comparable

proud gorge
#

I hope you realize you're trying to argue that melee splash worm build is good

#

if you give it twelve buffs

#

two supports

warm musk
hoary scarab
#

i trust the holy sweep vision

proud gorge
#

a bunch of masteries

#

and an entire passive tree

#

like wow

proud gorge
#

I'm sure it's great if it needs all that

hard cliff
proud gorge
#

to stand up to level 20 zero supports Holy Sweep

karmic gust
proud gorge
#

lmao

hard cliff
#

So I didn't wanna add them yet

karmic gust
#

and that it was already thing before

tranquil umbra
hard cliff
#

Nice

karmic gust
#

and holy sweep do not enables anything new

proud gorge
#

"Quick, pop four warcries and flasks, this is base unsupported Holy Sweep we're up against here"

hard cliff
#

I need defenses bad

tranquil umbra
#

you just want the average triple ele wand for now

karmic gust
#

im sure the build will work out great for you man gl

hard cliff
#

I got perma end charges and fort but neither are buffed lol

hard cliff
tranquil umbra
hard cliff
tranquil umbra
#

that's on block only

kindred silo
#

that sounds pretty terrible if u dont have any source of end charge on kill

stoic horizon
#

thats not perma endu charges

kindred silo
#

oh wait ur totems

#

so u cant even go that

hard cliff
#

TOTEMS BROTHER

kindred silo
#

just get some minimum on rings

hard cliff
tight plinth
#

the more i learn about kf totems, the more it looks broken as a starter kek

tranquil umbra
#

dawg

hard cliff
hard cliff
#

it's fine

#

boom

tight plinth
#

essentially white gear doing a few mil dps on a safe playstyle kek

tranquil umbra
#

also where cf lifetap

#

for adrena

hard cliff
#

yeah wasn't sure

tight plinth
hard cliff
#

To use corrupting fever to trigger adrenaline

#

or save adrenaline for danger moment

#

I dunno how I like the idea of my life always going up or down (I've never played this Node)

hard cliff
hard cliff
#

oh good

soft perch
#

xdd

hard cliff
stoic horizon
#

im a respected source Pogott

karmic gust
#

oh actually did woespike got nerfed i forgot to check that

tight plinth
#

yeah

soft perch
#

in the exact way i said it would as well

#

crazy really

karmic gust
#

makes sense

tight plinth
#

cant get 100% anymore

soft perch
#

it got kinda double tapped tbh

untold lynx
#

I wonder if they will EVER have a trans gem for Dark Pact...

tranquil umbra
#

there is.

#

(it's from heist)

tight plinth
#

idk why they have to nerf it tbh, its an uber drop now

stoic horizon
#

technically trarthus one exists

opaque sphinx
cobalt blade
# karmic gust

if its suffix tagged technically catalysts+3 ring slots lets it still work

untold lynx
#

but one that is actually good lmao

hard cliff
karmic gust
#

somone was saying earlier that uniques dont rly have prefixes or suffixes

tranquil umbra
#

Dark Pact of Light

karmic gust
#

which well no clue if i think about it

cobalt blade
#

i think theres some that are randomly tagged

true flower
#

follow through nerfed

cobalt blade
#

feel like i remember seeing a few

true flower
#

cobra lash not viable anymore

karmic gust
#

that follow through nerf is so random

cobalt blade
#

yeah rip cobralash it was already mid and now its worse

tough cove
#

all the poison skill getting shot in the face

#

its because of pconc of bouncing

pulsar ermine
opaque sphinx
tough cove
#

cobralash is just an innocent bystander catching strays

karmic gust
#

yea because bouncing was so op already damn

cobalt blade
onyx adder
cobalt blade
#

they wouldnt be additive with each other

onyx adder
#

they just have mods

hard cliff
#

I have added a survival root to the tree

opaque sphinx
#

🤔

karmic gust
#

no fun allowed rip

onyx adder
tranquil umbra
cobalt blade
tough cove
#

4 of them are basically 79% less duration

cobalt blade
#

that would be how it adds together

stoic horizon
opaque sphinx
#

i see

hard cliff
tight plinth
hard cliff
tranquil umbra
#

you have the taunt on hit node right

#

that makes it so none of your attacks miss right

#

WHY ARE YOU TAKING ACCURACY

hard cliff
#

it's taunt on hit

karmic gust
#

just in case enemies cant be taunted obviously

stoic horizon
opaque sphinx
cobalt blade
#

you have multiple totems

#

one of them will hit

opaque sphinx
#

drop all dis and path on the bottom to the left

tight plinth
#

tbf i cant really talk with pathing kek

hard cliff
stoic horizon
hard cliff
hard cliff
#

Do I even need +1 proj on Fussilade ?

cobalt blade
#

congratulations youve solved it for clear

tranquil umbra
#

which node is that again

cobalt blade
#

totem mastery

tight plinth
#

mastery

tranquil umbra
#

yeah that's free

pulsar ermine
karmic gust
#

click fred

stoic horizon
tough cove
#

that area of the tree is a mess for clean pathing

cobalt blade
#

the totems taunt and those are the ones that need to not miss

hard cliff
#

is this better ?

tight plinth
tranquil umbra
cobalt blade
#

^^

opaque sphinx
#

drop those 2 small nodes after the shield notable but ye

stoic horizon
#

yea sounds good then

cobalt blade
#

its how EA champ played for a good while

hard cliff
#

is 40% defenses from shield worth a point ?

opaque sphinx
#

not if u have a bad shiel,d

cobalt blade
#

depends on your inc arm/ev/es

karmic gust
#

its never worth a point unless you are es build

opaque sphinx
#

sst shit might

cobalt blade
#

doesnt scale dmg on sst

stoic horizon
opaque sphinx
#

yeh ik but ur shield is stacked cuz u want it to be anyway

karmic gust
#

and for non shield skill builds you are spending affixes on life and block

#

so like you are not getitng much

opaque sphinx
#

so its decent vlue

cobalt blade
hard cliff
#

What auras should I be running on this ?

I got wrath/anger but I dunno if that's optimal lol

lean urchin
#

pob it

cobalt blade
#

so like thats probably just better as an example

pulsar ermine
stoic horizon
opaque sphinx
#

as i've stated if u scroll down a bit, its about the fact that since ur playing sst u have a stacked shield with good def

#

so u get good value

stoic horizon
#

unless you dont wilma for some reason

hard cliff
#

I am wilma

karmic gust
#

hello wilma

cobalt blade
tight plinth
#

hello wilma

stoic horizon
#

haste has attack and cast speed separate

hard cliff
#

Too many uniques

#

you are right @stoic horizon

lean urchin
#

wilma ever come back from church?

opaque sphinx
stoic horizon
tight plinth
#

from now on, please refer to pira as wilma

#

thanks

opaque sphinx
#

if u have a 5k armour shield, 40% inc def is 2k armour for 1 node

tranquil umbra
#

wilma balls

opaque sphinx
#

not amazing, not awful

cobalt blade
#

in particular adamant is 61% inc armour

hard cliff
#

Perserverance is double dip onslaught on wilmas

#

which is goated

#

but it does gatekeep me outta iron reflexes

cobalt blade
#

the only time es builds really did it as well was on clusters/anoint

onyx adder
opaque sphinx
#

im still not saying its a great choice, just if u have a really good shield its not trolling to click

hard cliff
#

having armor/eva just feels like I'm not gonna get much from either

#

but I dunno

cobalt blade
finite quail
cobalt blade
#

gambling

#

who needs defence

hard cliff
#

I am spending 2 points on defiance

onyx adder
#

Against the pure physical portion of the hits u usually take in maps theres not a ton of difference between 10k armour and 100k armour

hard cliff
#

Awesome

onyx adder
#

The best thing lots of armour does for u most of the time is make ur molten shell bigger

hard cliff
#

This is gonna be very open ended to upgrade I feel like but this should be good for a league start (?????)

onyx adder
#

Ah yes the good old doedre gloves wilmas combo

#

Very strong

cobalt blade
#

ngl i think you should cut that entire bottom half of the tree and go up top

hard cliff
#

yeah and they are dirt cheap

#

I just wonder how much wilmas and warped will be

cobalt blade
#

the wand nodes up top are so nice lol

stoic horizon
onyx adder
#

I was not being serious, wilmas makes the cast speed penalty apply to ur attack speed lul

hard cliff
#

Is it still worth if i get the wand attack's spell damage conversion ?

hardy heron
#

How expensive do lightning Light of Meanings tend to be early in league? They're currently 1div in keepers, but how long to they take to get there?

cobalt blade
#

everything around/below art of the glad

#

im too lazy to actually check it in pob though

hard cliff
#

that's wild

stoic horizon
#

why let jung into the kitchen wtf

#

somatic shell locus mines impale

#

💀

supple wren
#

Does this interact with Sire of Shards?

opaque sphinx
#

srs someone rec me a decent skill for early simu i can pob

cobalt blade
#

armour stacker

opaque sphinx
#

i just played doryani nty

cobalt blade
#

they brute force early simus with doryanis lol

supple wren
#

My gut says "probably not"

stoic horizon
#

at least i think

supple wren
odd fox
#

99.9% block or no balls

supple wren
#

This league mechanic looks very skippable, but I'm always for new classes/ascendancies

onyx adder
cobalt blade
#

@hard cliff

#

i am judging you

onyx adder
#

Other than that skill, those two items dont interact

opaque sphinx
#

what are the odds i can get a day1 aul taxi

hard cliff
stoic horizon
opaque sphinx
#

maybe day 2

potent bramble
supple wren
hard cliff
#

I smoked a bit before opening pob lol

cobalt blade
#

lol

opaque sphinx
#

im proud of u pira

cobalt blade
#

your also taking a 2 point jewel socket

#

and hten not taking 2 1 point jewel sockets

supple wren
#

But maybe there will be interactions that make it more interesting. Will see.

opaque sphinx
#

im gonna go under the assumption i can get aul taxi early

hard cliff
#

Minor min/max stuff like this is why I llike this chat

cobalt blade
#

minor minmax??

opaque sphinx
#

eh thats prob bait

#

whats cheapest way ele ailment immune

cobalt blade
#

boot essence+abyss jewel+shroud if you want full immune

hard cliff
opaque sphinx
#

nah i mean cheap not easy

cobalt blade
#

otherwise just tempest shield crit immune overcap res

#

/ 60% crit reduction

hard cliff
#

Thank you @cobalt blade

opaque sphinx
#

poison is bait for early simu right

cobalt blade
#

if you mean playing poison mostly ya

potent bramble
cobalt blade
#

arakaali's arent too bad though if its cheap

#

still an okay early sim build

opaque sphinx
#

oh yeah duh i forgot that aura exist

cobalt blade
#

i assumed you didnt want element when looking for another way for it lol

cobalt blade
opaque sphinx
#

no i ate 100mg of gummies and im kinda dumb

hard cliff
opaque sphinx
#

we will train u my padawan

potent bramble
#

I've never partook (partaken?) b/c I'm dumb by default so I'm pretty sure I'd just go catatonic. Either that or I'd be taken to FULL galaxy brain and then locked into existential dread for the rest of the day. Neither of which is optimal

supple wren
#

I'm so curious how they are going to do the rest of the passives on Reliq

hard cliff
potent bramble
#

Totem league confirmed!?

stoic horizon
#

yep palsteron eating good

hard cliff
opaque sphinx
#

forgot this exist

buoyant steppe
cobalt blade
#

lovethe clickbait kek basically everyone ive seen look at it has understood how good it is at th ecost of making you really wanna play hiero

tight plinth
#

which is hexproof again? unaffected or cant be hexed?

opaque sphinx
#

wait what exclusive to ritual but drops from uber maven

cobalt blade
#

they are still cursed/hexed

tight plinth
#

yeah

opaque sphinx
#

how much this cost day 1

tight plinth
#

is flagelation still in the game?

modest depot
cobalt blade
opaque sphinx
#

oh shit dude a whole 20c

finite quail
#

hmmmmmge

opaque sphinx
#

wait no 50c

finite quail
opaque sphinx
#

10c day 2 tho Pogott

finite quail
#

legit digging up every single max block stat in the game for this