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[tranquil sedge]

mid sounds about right i think

[fossil mural]

Rewatch it

[wintry lily]

clearly you've not lived through expedition and it shows

[proud gorge]

also, side note, I think there's been some confusion as to how the Originator Voidstone works

[candid moon]

I thought that asw

[spiral venture]

I've lived through expedition, oh trust me :despair:

[surreal musk]

nothing to indicate that . only gem limit mentioned in patch notes was 1 gem corrupted with a lv 1 support in a given socket link

[spiral venture]

Don't ask man his salary

Don't ask woman her age

[wintry lily]

Expedition is bad, this is just mediocre as shit patch

[proud gorge]

I've heard some people saying that Originator Voidstone will allow any map boss to drop exceptional support gems

[spiral venture]

Don't ask PoE player WHAT HAPPENED IN 3.16

[karmic gust]

the patch notes arent bad tho no whats bad about them

other than few weird nerfs

[spiral venture]

💀

[steel light]

what happened

[tranquil sedge]

it didnt make expedition worse, at best this was a small expedition buff

[karmic gust]

but a lot of stuff there was totally deserved

[tranquil sedge]

logbooks getting an extra implicit line is quite good for logbook runners

• source: me logbook runner

[proud gorge]

but based on the item description, it looks like what it actually is is that the Originator Voidstone allows Exceptional support gems and astrolabes at all

[spiral venture]

The Great Nerf

[visual stream]

elemental get double tap melee get tripple tap mamba dead

yah

[proud gorge]

but maybe I'm misreading it

[bold scarab]

Ye

[karmic gust]

well elementalist will still be very good

[tranquil sedge]

elementalist tap won't kill it, you'll still be fine

mamba tap definitely yeeting it a lot

[karmic gust]

mamba nerf was weird yea

[wintry lily]

not what I meant sir, the exped patch notes was arguably the worst patch notes to ever drop

[bold scarab]

Inquisitor is just better tho for anything that isn't ignite or shock

[wintry lily]

By comparison, this patch notes is just mediocre

[candid moon]

ID buffed, right? Surely that 40% cdr gem can be used?

[tranquil sedge]

oh that league
idk i started after

[karmic gust]

i mean probably but its not very good right

a ssupport

[tranquil sedge]

this notes was more mid ye

[candid moon]

Idr how much it matters

[visual stream]

true igs

[karmic gust]

well you are elimited by vixens cd right

[wintry lily]

Exped patch notes is affectionately (to me at least) the dark ages

[spiral venture]

Idk, I don't see anything good in the patchnotes

[karmic gust]

and not by actual id cd

[candid moon]

Can be better early when harder to get cdr

[wintry lily]

Literally everything nerfed

[spiral venture]

It's all negative

[candid moon]

Oh

[proud gorge]

we know specific exceptional support gems drop from specific endgame bosses, like one drops specifically from King in the Mists, one specifically from Uber Elder, etc. I have to imagine that they're deliberately only obtainable from those sources, rather than being from those difficult boss sources but then once you socket Originator Voidstone they're just available everywhere

[candid moon]

Didnt think about that part lol

[tranquil sedge]

i think if that's the takeaway you have there's not really anything anyone can say to change your mind then

it won't be the end of the world to take a league off in that case

[proud gorge]

PoE1 has been very deliberately pushing in the direction of content exclusivity

[thick narwhal]

since fracturing orbs are going to core droptable does that also mean you can get them as a reward in sanctum?

[wintry lily]

just self cast your curse to not be capped by Vixens

[fossil mural]

Oh yea, you cant have more than one of those gems in a link @candid moon

So cant use 2 skill gems with level 1 supports on them in a link

[wintry lily]

[proud gorge]

where rewards from certain content only drop from that content

[spiral venture]

Yeah, I played the last league for a short amount of time because literally 0 loot, blight was the only way out of poverty

[karmic gust]

yea thats what i meant, but those are not the greater supports right

[fossil mural]

Is delve saved?

[fossil mural]

Ye

[tranquil sedge]

i also skipped it, iiwii ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proud gorge]

so I have to imagine that they're not going to let exceptional support gems just drop from anything

[wintry lily]

You have to roll maps (minor annoyance), but permanently have fossils only from delve now

So yes

[tranquil sedge]

correct

[proud gorge]

probably yeah

[visual stream]

i dont know why ggg remove the beast craft reroll awakened gems ?

[spiral venture]

This, this is absolute bullshit

[wintry lily]

Tho I doubt this makes cheap fossils worth farming for still

[tranquil sedge]

can you elaborate what's rolling maps got to do with delve?

[fossil mural]

So chad has to mirror craft

[karmic gust]

idk what to play still next league

[spiral venture]

Because they deleted awakened gems and replaced them with Greater Gems

[wintry lily]

iiq now impacts ores from km and sulphite

[candid moon]

So that Chad can stop printing too much money

[crisp plinth]

Lioneyes glare bama

[spiral venture]

Like what the fuck is this maneuver

[visual stream]

they not they still exist

[wintry lily]

but we lost 150% more sulphite from scarab

[karmic gust]

i am def not playing minions :d

[crisp plinth]

Weak

[onyx adder]

Im playing, in a grand departure from the usual patch notes day, wait for patch notes

[tranquil sedge]

gotcha so basically alch vaal and go click deposits wouldnt rly call it rolling xd

[fossil mural]

They did buff sulphite on map completion

[proud gorge]

they replaced some of them with Exceptional gems, and some of them are now exceptional greater gems

[fossil mural]

And sulphite from quant

[wintry lily]

alch n go probably slightly worse than 150% more white map scarab runs

[proud gorge]

but we gotta be clear here that Exceptional gems and Greater gems are two unrelated classifications of gems

[tranquil sedge]

we'll find out ig ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spiral venture]

That sounds so horrible oh my God

[visual stream]

sulphite only benefit ppl who doing delve which is like 5 of them

[onyx adder]

More ppl will do delve now

[wintry lily]

Tbf we can just buy well rolled maps for those

[fossil mural]

You can get ore from sulphite. That means more ships

[tranquil sedge]

not anymore

[onyx adder]

More money

[tranquil sedge]

more people will now delve

[wintry lily]

So its not the worst thing

[tranquil sedge]

for fossils

[onyx adder]

I dont mind delving more tbh

Its fun every so often

[tranquil sedge]

agree i would like to see more children in the mines

[wintry lily]

Delve is really profitable anyways

so keep staying out

[onyx adder]

I like the kingsmarch changes too its less afk now

[fossil mural]

How much sulphite per map did you get before?

[unkempt lava]

How can we see the new uniques?

[tight plinth]

oh no elementalist got nerfed 😭

[surreal musk]

they pretty much renamed awakened>greater and made them drop from all map bosses instead of only maven witnessed shit its practically a nothingburger change other than numerical changes that we have yet to see

[spiral venture]

Delve was, is and will always be profitable

[visual stream]

they better make miner in kalgur helping with this

[wintry lily]

few k

[proud gorge]

again, "Greater" just refers to any gem that's a stronger version of a lower tier gem, as we're familiar with with Greater Multiple Projectiles or Greater Volley. And Exceptional support gems are just any gem that's drop only at endgame, and usually has only 3 levels. It just happens that many of the Exceptional support gems are also Greater gems, at least for now.

[wintry lily]

dont exactly remember

[onyx adder]

I can accept some gacha mobile bullshit if its at least active beyond filling with gold

[tranquil sedge]

if you can find out the math on exactly how much ore value/hr we can generate now i would love to know

as a comparison to crops, where 25m took ~7-8 days before

[fossil mural]

Obviously. I need more specifically

[tight plinth]

i lost 2k armor and 300 es 😭

[onyx adder]

I mean i'll be looking after league start

[fossil mural]

Yea elementalist nerf is a meme

[spiral venture]

Elementalist got nerfed to the ground

[fossil mural]

Hive stacker is still good

[spiral venture]

GOLEMS got dropkicked

[onyx adder]

Its not like us SSFers can skip kingsmarch even if we fucking hate it because tattoos are required

[fossil mural]

Clueless

[onyx adder]

So i'll be looking dw

[surreal musk]

primm bond stacking nerf is big, loss of 50% golem effect is very minor if not stacking prim bond

[tranquil sedge]

at least that got a buff

can target tattoos better now 😄

[onyx adder]

Yer

[proud gorge]

also there's that one campaign zone that contains some basic tattoos

[tranquil sedge]

and farmers cost 50% less gold

[proud gorge]

that's technically farmable

[tranquil sedge]

that upkeep is going to be trivial

[zenith citrus]

I thought tattoos drop normally now?

[tranquil sedge]

farmers went from 13-16k gold/hr to like 6.5-8k gold/hr

[tranquil sedge]

thats so easy

[visual stream]

i hope tatto price comdown abit last league those thing are expensive

[onyx adder]

Yea it will but my question now is do u even farm

[proud gorge]

so if you only need super basic tattoos you can just farm those guys in Act 6

[wintry lily]

My rates awhile ago without the 1.5k on red map completion

[fossil mural]

You can run a few maps now and see ore drops. Then add like 300 ore per map from sulphite.

[tranquil sedge]

yes because if you want tattoos it won't matter if ur sending ore or crops right?

[proud gorge]

it's not going to be good, but like, it's an option

[onyx adder]

Is it worth the random dogwater equipment

Over sending more ore

[proud gorge]

I mean, it's still just as passive and low time investment

[tranquil sedge]

i mean
ur able to do both at once

ore doesnt exclude crops

[terse sleet]

do ilvl 84 mods for deli farming exist still?

[proud gorge]

in fact it's less, since now farmers are paid less

but also the reward is a lot lower

[tranquil sedge]

and farmers will cost almost nothing now

[onyx adder]

Yea true, gold will limit me but it wont limit u guys

[tranquil sedge]

6.5-8k gold/hr for full t5 farmers

[fossil mural]

Thats a lot more than a few k xdd

So lets say its 30k now. Thats 1k extra ore per map

[onyx adder]

Yea the items will be dogggggshit tho

[tranquil sedge]

so you'll continue sending ur daily tattoo shipments out

[visual stream]

tho i still wish they rework gwenne her functions right now is just existent

[onyx adder]

They were already useless

[tranquil sedge]

just ignore them

[onyx adder]

Mostly

[tranquil sedge]

ur only caring about the secondaries

loot them and discard rest

[onyx adder]

Yer its kinda sad

But sure

[wintry lily]

Its a few k because I used the 150% more sulphite

[proud gorge]

the gold costs have been reshuffled in Kingsmarch. Farmers cost less, but also generate much lower value shipments. Ore smelting costs a lot more, but also goes way faster.

[wintry lily]

[proud gorge]

and also ores now generate premium profits

[wintry lily]

without i doubt it scales as equally

[fossil mural]

That implies you can make enough to send ships on cd and dont have gold spare

[tranquil sedge]

but also generate much lower value shipments
wat

shipment value has not changed?

only the rewards from them?

[fossil mural]

Its now buffed by quant

[proud gorge]

I mean in terms of, like, actual value. Crop shipments will now be lower value to the player

[onyx adder]

Well if im kingsmarch mapping in ssf thats absolutely gonna happen yeah

[fossil mural]

So it might even be higher?

[onyx adder]

Especially now

[wintry lily]

will have to see either ways

[tranquil sedge]

oh ok

[zenith citrus]

Low-key these karui tattoos kinda cringe they are stick on temporary ones

[fossil mural]

Ssf moment but yea

[proud gorge]

I forgot that "shipment value" is a specific term in Kingsmarch shipping terms

since I don't really do that stuff

[tranquil sedge]

anyone gonna miss harbinger?

[fossil mural]

You can still grow crops for tats if you dont want to farm ore

[tight plinth]

how fast can enchanters enchant 25m dust? thats currently the bottleneck

[fossil mural]

I tried it twice and hated it. Finally its gone

[visual stream]

nope

[tranquil sedge]

depends on how cheap you are

[hard cliff]

goes hard

[proud gorge]

but yeah, farmers paid less, but generate less wealth. Ore smelting way faster, generates more wealth, but they're paid more now. Map runners generate a bit less value, but it's not much of a nerf

[tranquil sedge]

enchanters aren't a bottleneck if you aren't disenchanting gear like a poverty player

[tight plinth]

lets say max efficiency

[visual stream]

the blue guys sometimes cluster my screen i hate him

[tranquil sedge]

then a few hours max lol or less

[fossil mural]

Couple hours or something? If you use high value t0

[tranquil sedge]

dump some t0s/t1s into them and call it a day

[tight plinth]

oh that fast?

[livid quarry]

did rf really get nerfed if u proc 2x same as 2x more dmg?

[proud gorge]

some people yeah. It was a beloved mechanic among more casual players, since it added a lot of enemies into a small area, and people love killing a lot of enemies.

[tranquil sedge]

yes xd

[tight plinth]

25m in a few hours

[tranquil sedge]

dump in high tier uniques and it is that fast

[proud gorge]

even if they weren't the most profitable

[onyx adder]

Ok look man that shit is taking gold that could be crops ore okay

[tranquil sedge]

LOL

i was just replying to caasi xd

[tight plinth]

yeah redditors are gonna mald as fuck when they see streamers sending 50m shipments every stream

[tranquil sedge]

well no

[proud gorge]

I mean, only if they're actively farming Ore

[tranquil sedge]

you know the bottleneck was crops right

[fossil mural]

You still need to farm ore

[tranquil sedge]

and now the bottleneck will be ore

[proud gorge]

and that's pretty competitive with normal farming methods

like

[tranquil sedge]

you could only send one 50 mil shipment every ~8 days lol before 3.28

[wintry lily]

idle gamers when they have to play game now

[tranquil sedge]

coz u can't just put 49.999m dust

dust caps out at 1:1 shipment value

[visual stream]

hmm absolution buff seem nice but im not sure i want to cast everytimes i move

[proud gorge]

yes a shipment generates a good amount of value, but it's only going to be vaguely comparable to most other farming methods

[fossil mural]

But the idea is you farm something else alongside ores. Like you can farm maps, which will be 15divh. And then you add ships on top

[tranquil sedge]

so 25m crops + 25m dust before

now u have to do 25m bars/ores + 25m dust

[tranquil sedge]

that will still be a choice tho

[zenith citrus]

Is holy strike doa with just mace/scepter/staff?

[tight plinth]

sadly yes

[tranquil sedge]

you won't be able to do it in the same maps properly without gimping ur other strategies if it uses scarabs

[proud gorge]

well no, the point is that farming ore is a primary investment into a mechanic, so its equivalent to investing into any other mechanic

[fossil mural]

Yea depends on how fast you can actually farm ore

[tranquil sedge]

^

[tranquil sedge]

in other words its a primary farm method now

[proud gorge]

you can also farm Breach alongside other mechanics, or Strongboxes, or Delirium, etc

[tranquil sedge]

just that it has delayed reward

but you still have to actively do it as your primary

same as any other strat u invest in, just those pay out upfront

[tight plinth]

im going all in on ores, imma cosplay as amazon this league

[proud gorge]

the issue with Crop-based Kingsmarch before is that it required almost zero investment to be farming it optimally, so you could run it in the background at zero cost while fully 100% investing into other things

[visual stream]

buff gold drop plz i keep running out of it

[onyx adder]

Yea i like that its an option now

[tranquil sedge]

some uniques i used to disenchant based on prices, for your information

[candid moon]

No, you will be buying tft gold services

[onyx adder]

Id even be fine if u get more loot from ships now

[brazen vector]

Buff glorp drops

[tight plinth]

oooh thanks

[proud gorge]

whereas now, while you definitely can farm a lot of ores, it requires passive tree investment and scarab investment and time investment in your maps and so on

[fossil mural]

It doesnt need that much investment. Have you tried t17 farm in keepers? You max out ores and maps dropping pretty easily. And it was very good profit just from maps. Its nowhere near being a primary farm. It just doesnt have enough juice

[visual stream]

reduce gold from breach and blight mobs is a big L

[onyx adder]

Which is not a thing i thought id be saying 24 hours ago

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

[livid quarry]

eww ores farming feels bad

channeling and wait for things to spawn

[onyx adder]

But if accumulating mats is a) active and b) not a zero thinking choice but instead has proper opportunity cost

[deep ingot]

Kalguran Scarab of Refinement probably going to be like 40-50c each or something

[fossil mural]

That ones rare

[visual stream]

only bismuth have that issue tho the other quite fast

[mental violet]

because the mirage copies mechanics near the mirage if you guys are say doing legion are you spawning a gaurenteed strongbox a gaurenteed essence because its free dupes?

[fossil mural]

True Or maybe people will realize its not that good

Cause I remember not getting that much ore

[onyx adder]

Then it can be balanced more like active farming because the currency per active minute is much worse

[tight plinth]

ah shit the mirage can copy ores or you get dust

[proud gorge]

the point is that if you want to be farming ores, you invest some portion of your atlas tree and scarabs and such into it, and yes you can combine it with other things but you can do the same thing with Bestiary, or Essence, or Delirium, or Strongboxes, or Harvest, or Blight, or Expedition, or Harbingers, or Breach, or any of the other things

[deep ingot]

The bottleneck for ores isn’t marking them, it’s the time it takes to get smelted bars

[fossil mural]

Oh yea mirage will boost ore per map

But I dont think that matters much

Since its still time spent getting that ore

[onyx adder]

In before miraged verisium gives u starfall craters

[proud gorge]

you can only invest in, at most, like three mechanics at once

and one of them is going to end up very underinvested

[tight plinth]

theres a scarab that turn ores as bars

[fossil mural]

There are very few mechanics you can juice fully and then have something else benefit from it

[proud gorge]

since you only have so many scarab slots

[deep ingot]

Yeah, that one might be pricier this league

[proud gorge]

yeah

[visual stream]

hope they give alot of dust wasting time for 1-2k is not really feel good

[proud gorge]

synergistic mechanics

[fossil mural]

Ores just spawn a ton of mobs baseline. If drops are better then its just good.

[proud gorge]

sure, and Ores have some of that, namely Bismuth making rares better for the rest of the map

nothing wrong with it having some synergistic map strats

that brings it in line with all the other mechanics, which is good

instead of it being its own weird thing that everyone has to be doing or else they're losing money

in which people choosing not to engage with it (me) is because they find it too annoying to bother

[fossil mural]

Like even deck farm with ritual - you dont get a fully decked out ritual. You get a shit version

Here you benefit fully

[deep ingot]

I am usually kind of cheap when it comes to spending gold for dust that I usually get a decent amount farming rogue exiles with refiner’s bargain

[tight plinth]

oh right, i wanna fight that giga exile

[proud gorge]

no you don't? If you want to benefit fully you need to invest in it

if you do a shit version of ores you end up with a lot less ores

[tight plinth]

i wonder what kind of drops does it have

[fossil mural]

I wonder if dust you get from hourglass will get buffed. Weve seen ggg show you get like 23k dust. If thats endgame thats strictly worse than ore

[livid quarry]

why are winds of fate so expensive

20d and what build uses it

[proud gorge]

the ore farming nodes on atlas tree are still there, and they're very good

[fossil mural]

Again, have you done it in 3.27?

[tranquil sedge]

hopefully some good ones

[proud gorge]

and the ore farming scarabs are also still there

[tranquil sedge]

are those going to be the hardest content in the game now?

[proud gorge]

you can get a decent amount of ore with low investment, sure

but like, if you want maximum ore

you need to invest in it

[deep ingot]

It’s hard to get. It drops from Sanctum challenge runs iirc

[fossil mural]

You get full benefit from ores, and you basically use all juice available for map drops. T17 namely

[livid quarry]

welp there goes my build

[visual stream]

wdym just getting rich at league start

[fossil mural]

There isnt enough for this to be a thing. Again, you get full tree and all relevant scarabs and still get to have essentially maxxed out t17 chance

Thats what Ive been trying to explain to you

[livid quarry]

i think other ppl might want that staff for new belt always crit

[proud gorge]

wait, the "other investment" is map farming?

yeah obviously

map farming requires like no investment

this isn't about ores being hyper low investment, it's map farming being low investment

[fossil mural]

And its perfectly valid as its own strat, at least as of 3.27

[proud gorge]

yes

[fossil mural]

So if its good, then ore farming isnt primary farm

[tight plinth]

nah just run the ores and get out the map

[proud gorge]

and there's enough space in the passive tree to invest in two or even three mechanics, but the restriction is on scarab slots

[fossil mural]

Its just something extra you get for no cost except like 10 atlas passives

[proud gorge]

and if you're running a bunch of ore scarabs, then you by definition cannot be fully invested into something else

[zenith citrus]

Wait so now t17 maps are gone?

[tight plinth]

no chaos sink

[visual stream]

they change t17 maps to nightmare maps stuff i belive so

[proud gorge]

"at no cost" he says and then says it costs atlas passives and scarab slots

[deep ingot]

There are “nightmare” maps that have the t17 bosses but we haven’t seen what those maps look like

[proud gorge]

and probably the map device craft as well right

[tight plinth]

not to mention the most important part, time

[tranquil sedge]

they're dropped down to area level 83 (t16), and the modifiers on them have been nerfed in reward effect

[visual stream]

well that much better i despite t17

those maps aint fun

[proud gorge]

the Nightmare maps are now basically Uber Guardian maps

[tranquil sedge]

well you're going to be running originator or 8mod t16s as ur primary endgame maps now

[zenith citrus]

How do they drop?

[proud gorge]

you run them for uber keys, and you can theoretically get some money out of them along the way

[tranquil sedge]

same as how t17s drop

voidstones give convert chance on dropped t16s, up to 6.4% with 4 stones

[proud gorge]

same way as T17s

[zenith citrus]

I see

[visual stream]

tho its does remove chaos sink

[proud gorge]

yeah

[tight plinth]

its these ones?

[proud gorge]

but it is what it is

[tranquil sedge]

huh

why would it remove the sink

[proud gorge]

because now you can roll them normally

with Alch + Scour

instead of only with chaos

[tranquil sedge]

oh huh

[slate pumice]

so nightmare maps dropping from T16?

[tranquil sedge]

wonder if that was oversight or not

[surreal musk]

yeahh i expect scours to be = to chaos in price

[tranquil sedge]

they drop how t17 has dropped always.
scroll up and read

[visual stream]

chaos sink quite nice for economy ngl

[proud gorge]

nah they addressed it in the Q&A

[visual stream]

keep dv price in check

[tight plinth]

whatd they say?

[proud gorge]

yes, it removes a chaos sink, but like, it is what it is

[tight plinth]

oof

[slate pumice]

[surreal musk]

corrupted 8 mod also got a relative buff since chisels are gone

[carmine notch]

chaos inflation about to hit poe2 exalt levels /s

[proud gorge]

if chaos becomes a serious problem they'll probably try adding a new chaos sink next league

but who knows, maybe we return to GCPs as base currency

instead of Chaos

[onyx adder]

I am so happy about the chisel change btw

[surreal musk]

having a build that can do all mods is more important than ever xd

[onyx adder]

Ive been bitching for years

[visual stream]

they still keep maven chissel tho

[deep ingot]

Honestly if Chaos ends up being worthless you could just roll your maps with it

[proud gorge]

that's the nice benefit of PoE's currency system, if chaos becomes too devalued we can just pick a different currency

[south lotus]

why

[tranquil sedge]

well easy fix would just be slap that mod back onto nightmare maps

[slate pumice]

got to be doing them for points

[onyx adder]

As soon as i woke up like two hours after stream viper was pinging me in here going YO CHISELS ARE GONE DID U SEE

Fuck yes

[proud gorge]

and GCPs are in a nice range where they're similar to chaos

[surreal musk]

gcp>div exchange inc

[tranquil sedge]

well some people don't like normal chisels

[onyx adder]

Chisels are shit

[tranquil sedge]

and for another its a buff to everyone

[onyx adder]

Useless item

[tight plinth]

agreed

[tranquil sedge]

before most 8mod maps did not have quality on them coz thats not how you farm 8mods

[onyx adder]

All it does is add 4 clicks to every single map

[tranquil sedge]

now 8mods are buffed

good for everyone

[onyx adder]

For no benefit

Because that was baseline

[proud gorge]

mainly people didn't like that it added time to every map you wanted to run, having to buy and manually chisel up every map

[south lotus]

all this does is shoot up maven chisels

[whole bluff]

I fell asleep before finishing notes so I'm reading them now. It's so close!

[tranquil sedge]

nope

maven chisels are now 1 per map not 4

[steel light]

it's $$$

[deep ingot]

I kinda have trouble sustaining chisels lategame so I kinda like the removal

[candid moon]

Also items being listed for chisels on trade lol

[tranquil sedge]

and their effect is half as much

[visual stream]

also they adds loot covert so its would feel like back in setteler

[tranquil sedge]

maven chisels are going to be cheap

[visual stream]

drop aint be so bad anymore

[static kestrel]

i didn't watchth eannouncement activly yesterday can someone tell me if poe1 is getting wasd movement? :)

[south lotus]

still ppl want to have em

[tranquil sedge]

no.

[static kestrel]

sadge

[proud gorge]

no lmao

[static kestrel]

thansk for the quick reply

[tranquil sedge]

its also not expected for a long time.

[proud gorge]

they've said not until PoE2 releases at least

[steel light]

it's not dropping in league right? so rin transport is dead?

[visual stream]

wsad feel bad for me

[tawdry olive]

They’re gonna nerf the new boss belt before we even start the league aren’t they…

Resist + speed shrine and the gull login

[static kestrel]

yeah it is a matter of preference i guess :)

[proud gorge]

and after that it'll probably require a model/animation update for PoE1

[stone tundra]

Tbh I feel that now there is zero op/broken starter builds.

[visual stream]

its random shrine so getting perfect one would cost an arm and a leg tho

[south lotus]

i dont think so even if it takes 1

[tranquil sedge]

sure no doubt people will still want them, but half as much effect means its not as important and it'll probably be fairly affordable

[tranquil sedge]

you're right i should have said affordable not cheap

[proud gorge]

since GGG has said if they do WASD in PoE1 they want it to be good WASD, not hastily thrown together, with proper character moving in a different direction to where they're aiming

[static kestrel]

i just fell in love poe2 made wasd feel awesome. i did not expect it to feel that good. played diablo 2 for most of my life so that switch was surprisngly easy.

[deep ingot]

Rin transport is Originator maps now

[tawdry olive]

Understandable since this competes against mageblood, it may be even better than mageblood for how I normally use it lmao

[tranquil sedge]

understandable but on the flip side considering that mouse still needed to loot, you'll get used to mouse movement again in like 10 minutes of playing poe1 again

[south lotus]

wasd would feel weird with how fast u move in poe1

[visual stream]

poe2 is alot slower than poe1 so wasd fine for it

[onyx adder]

Its better than mageblood in a lot of cases because it also lets u exchange ascendancy points for ring slots

[proud gorge]

PoE2's WASD controls work because the game was designed around it from the start, so its character animation allows for characters to walk in one direction while aiming in another. PoE1 was not designed like that, so that's currently impossible in PoE1.

[tranquil sedge]

also you can partially improve the situation by binding 'move' to spacebar or other keyboard key

then just point with mouse and hold spacebar to move.

it makes it feel a lot better.

[south lotus]

imagine wasd on high MS build xdd

[onyx adder]

On top of the effect being similar power level

[proud gorge]

And while they could add shitty WASD to PoE1, they've said they want to add proper WASD with an animation update

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smash-wall-STk

alright discord thanks for the embed fail

[tawdry olive]

Can’t believe we are in the “something is better than mageblood” timeline where it’s not cope like synth belts

[proud gorge]

if you've played Last Epoch, they have prototype basic WASD controls, and it's very janky

especially at high attack/cast speed

[static kestrel]

i did not considere that. i neve rpalyed poe1 it just scared me off on how much it is to learn. i am intriueged to maybe play it though since i have like 2.5k hours in poe2 and its now my all time fav game

[tranquil sedge]

i mean there's already been belts worth considering

sure mageblood was usually stronger than all but belt slot has pretty healthy competition

[onyx adder]

It does require some luck tho

[tranquil sedge]

especially considering mageblood is chase gear

[proud gorge]

hey, let's not count synth belts out, we'll be getting Annoited Synth belts this league

[onyx adder]

I dont think anybody is gonna get excited about permanent skeleton shrine

[tranquil sedge]

anoint then synth?

[proud gorge]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

those aren't gonna be cheap

[proud gorge]

since removing the implicit doesn't remove the enchantment

you could also annoit then double corrupt

[tranquil sedge]

part of the reason synth gear was useful coz it was cheap

[south lotus]

once you understand poe1 it gets addicting, more so than poe2

[tawdry olive]

Ayo good calcium login

[tranquil sedge]

but that requires not rolling it yourself

[proud gorge]

but that's even more expensive for something halfway decent

[tranquil sedge]

if you manually synth it you gotta roll it now

and vultures don't look like they're going to be cheap

[fossil mural]

They are the same as before, just dont get the benefit of strands/influence

[tranquil sedge]

let alone how many you need to hit good mods

[static kestrel]

oh i belive you haha

[proud gorge]

yeah, just saying that it's possible Annoited Synth belts could genuinely compete with Mageblood in the belt slot, for specific builds

[tranquil sedge]

im sure they will for some builds

no doubt

[thick goblet]

i cant wait to see minmaxed builds this league
like i know sebk will have an annointed triple synth belt with triple synth megalo clusters

[south lotus]

im not a fan of how rare gear is super busted in poe2, but i guess its supposed to make up for the mid skill tree i guess

[fossil mural]

With weird enchants

[tranquil sedge]

poe1 is the same lol

uniques are just 'uniques' not 'legendaries'

[visual stream]

poe 1 most build still use rare item

[tranquil sedge]

sometimes they're better than rare, sometimes they're not

[deep ingot]

Triple attribute belt with %attribute implicit and % attribute notable annointed on it

[south lotus]

its more insane in poe2

[proud gorge]

PoE2 has the same issue as D2 where most of your power comes from really generic mods on gear like +X level to Cold skills

[tranquil sedge]

give it time for you to get more uniques i guess

but also you have some broken ass mods on your rare gear

[thick goblet]

yeah poe2's passive tree is pretty weak for character power

[south lotus]

+7 to x skill

[tranquil sedge]

like +5-7 gem levels is fucking stupid

[proud gorge]

PoE1 rares are also strong, but mostly for just pure stats

[tranquil sedge]

that is an obscene modifier even by poe standards

[visual stream]

hey ist still better than getting +% damaged when fighting enemy on sunday church hours

[fossil mural]

There is no flat to spells except flame wall doe, supposed to compensate

[proud gorge]

if you want something interesting, or a lot of power, uniques are often the choice

[south lotus]

very dumb, thats like multiple + across multiple poe 1 rares

[tawdry olive]

One of the most common mistakes is reading unique as “one of a kind” as in this is the only copy of the item. It’s really cute when you see a newbie so happy about it

[proud gorge]

rares are there to fill life, res, stats, though obviously Attribute stacking builds care much more about rares

[fossil mural]

Has anyone tried pobing breach ehit?

[proud gorge]

but outside of stat stacking you're rarely equipping, like, a rare body armour for its offensive stats

or a rare ring even

[south lotus]

speaking of attribute stackin i find it funny pbod got hit harder than int stacking

[fossil mural]

Flat rings are very common wdym

[true falcon]

I need to see new Scion

[south lotus]

66 percent nerf

[visual stream]

well its still 7 days still league start keep hoping then igs

[fossil mural]

People already pobed phys dot ele I believe and you can make it essentially the same

[thick goblet]

is storm brand playable now? ive been wanting do brands again for a while

[tranquil sedge]

i think it'll get nerfed over time, even in poe2, for what its worth...eventually

[fossil mural]

Brand recall with the breach hands looks interesting

[visual stream]

it like 30% damaged buff base on what i see ppl doing math

[south lotus]

its meh, regular pb seems like the play

[proud gorge]

I mean, depends. Like I said, that's how D2 itemization is to this day.

and PoE2 is very clearly leaning very heavily on D2

[thick goblet]

ihni if that makes it playable
idk how far it was currently

[south lotus]

storm got buffed and nerfed

[fossil mural]

Wtf did they nerf

[visual stream]

still waitting for deboud live and see his input on it

[true falcon]

Can you fracture an essence mod?

[thick goblet]

oh yeah good point

[fossil mural]

Also cdr support

Surely

[south lotus]

effectiveness

[thick goblet]

just wait for zeeboub

[visual stream]

bro playing brand so much he about to become one

[south lotus]

Zeeboub said pbod is cooked, regular pb might be what he does

you need full mirror gear to even make pbod usable

after nerf

[tranquil sedge]

huh

[south lotus]

even then its just gonna be for bosses

[tranquil sedge]

this doesn't look like 'dead on arrival' nerf to me

[south lotus]

33 percent nerf on activation

[visual stream]

he hadnt live watching patchnote tho

[fossil mural]

De is higher. Its damage against branded enemy that was nerfed

[visual stream]

so maybe he just speculate

[south lotus]

other 33 on other nerf

[proud gorge]

D2's item level mods are even worse because they have Charms, that give stats while in inventory, and those also include +1 level to skill mods

look at this nonsense

what a great inventory this guy has

very usable

[visual stream]

oh man been ages since i see this ui agains

maybe i should play it if the league suck

[surreal musk]

pbod will still be in contention for the best bossing spell, not no longer by far the best

[south lotus]

youd still play regular pb over storm though, im not sold on storm brand

[errant flower]

people are probably playing d2r warlock expansion hence the planners n stuff

[onyx adder]

it lost half its damage and became much more clunky to use on non-boss targets

its a beating

[fossil mural]

Scorched ray totems or flamewood or frostblink will probably blow it out now

[onyx adder]

i wouldnt play it over other bossing skills now

[tranquil sedge]

i see

[south lotus]

this

[tranquil sedge]

playable or not aside, this is exactly the kind of nerf ggg always does

[south lotus]

aactivation rate nerf is massive by itself

[tranquil sedge]

can't nerf just one thing at a time, no

gotta nerf double down and triple tap

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I'll probably leaguestart tri-ele Ele Hit, then see where I want to go from there

[onyx adder]

im ok with pbod spending some time in the naughty corner tbh

[fossil mural]

I mean, forced rotation on skills.

[proud gorge]

if Breachlord conversion turns out to be incredibly strong, I can go to that

[fossil mural]

Maybe if they buffed spells

[zenith citrus]

Idk why I even read patch notes when I'm going to start lightning arrow anyway

[onyx adder]

stormbrand is almost playable now

almost

[thick goblet]

oh is that why i always see full inventories of bs, i kept wondering when i saw d2 stuff this week

[proud gorge]

although, tri-ele ele hit is a Slayer build. Am I sure I want to play a Duelist?

[fossil mural]

I want to see brand recall stuff with hands

[south lotus]

Hard agree, its not ready

[onyx adder]

its probably a decent clear skill again

[surreal musk]

the #s on the brand recall support looked good

[onyx adder]

it gained a lot of damage on non branded enemies

[steel light]

u can change it after regret sets in

[south lotus]

indecision is more viable once you get explode

[tight plinth]

why is the mirage supporter pack a gimp suit

[zenith citrus]

Almost every skill is good for clearing trash mobs nowadays

[short prairie]

Branded? Branded fusion?

[fossil mural]

What was the point of penis of conductivity change? Its still hard capped by cast speed. The activation change did fucking nothing

[onyx adder]

thats a wild thing to say in a chat that just spent 10 minutes talking about pbod

[south lotus]

faster ramp bro huh

[fossil mural]

It has no ramp

[south lotus]

33 percent gutting on activation

[surreal musk]

clear a map with heavy strike then with KB and say that again

[fossil mural]

Thats a different skill lmao

[proud gorge]

yeah, D2 inventories are just a ridiculous amount of charms packing the entire inventory for stats, a tome of town portal scrolls so that they can, like, actually leave the dungeon, and their Horadric Cube as a small amount of "usable inventory space"

[ionic tide]

KB go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[fossil mural]

More like kf

[south lotus]

ahh OK

[ionic tide]

I wouldn't know

[fossil mural]

I need to see trans kf numbers

[visual stream]

with the big Oos maybe i should do lightning conduit agains

[proud gorge]

it's kind of like a wildwood rucksack

that's all the inventory you're getting

[tight plinth]

if the charms in a cube were to work, it would be filled too

[south lotus]

be glad D2 teleport isnt like wiz teleport... Imagine casting tp and go into a wall and insta die

malor spell be trolling sometimes

wiped my whole party like that a few times

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I'm very disappointed in PoE2, because I always dreamed of a game with the visual style of D2 but the skill system of PoE

but instead we got a game with the visual style of D2

and also the skill system of D2

[visual stream]

there a solutions for it

deleted poe2

get it to the back

[crisp plinth]

Thankfully fixed in pd2 where the inventory is split into charms and normal storage

[south lotus]

nice

i wanna see how useless chaos will be this league

[proud gorge]

hmm, maybe I'll do Shockwave Totems Reliquarian

they get Astral Projector

and I assume there'll probably be other useful mods

[south lotus]

ill prob do BV

[fossil mural]

Can you reduce just attachment duration for brands?

[proud gorge]

but Polytheist was a great Shockwave Totem build in phrecia despite basically just having the astral projector effect

and then investing half their ascendancy points into Breachlord bloodline

you could do the same this league

get the cold pen and all damage is added cold ascendancies

no wait

[hexed mountain]

ngl on scavenger i found the armor and weapon wheels to be vastly stronger than the jewelry ring

[proud gorge]

that wouldn't work, Reliquarian needs all 8 points to get Astral Projector

[hexed mountain]

i'm sure there will be a strong option on both

[proud gorge]

alas

but yeah, definitely should be a good wand wheel or something

[stable pumice]

Ngl now idk what to play lol

[proud gorge]

Shockwave Totems is a good build

the new transfigured shockwave totems are funny

[stable pumice]

True

[hexed mountain]

i hope there's fun options i really want to try some antiquarian but i'm no shockwave totem enjoyer

[spice pecan]

i played swt as a power charge stacker for sanctum, i can't see scav being better than hiero

[proud gorge]

they're like Astral Projector but they project on you

so they're basically a weird nova skill

[onyx adder]

theres nothing that does that specifically as a solo stat, although obviously brand recall detaches the brand and you can reduce all duration values with generic reduced/less duration

[proud gorge]

a funky BV

[stable pumice]

Ngl that new holy power charge one looks fun

[proud gorge]

in the sense that you press the button and it deals damage in an AoE around you for some time

[hexed mountain]

trans shockwave totem looks like an ultimatum skill

[fossil mural]

Yea I was thinking of maybe making conduction last as little as possible, but then I just realise its fucking pointless xdd

[hexed mountain]

having to drop totems then walk through packs sounds tedious

[fossil mural]

Automate totems?

[stable pumice]

Now though more totems = more dmg?

[onyx adder]

honestly the big problem with conduction is it just casts too slow

its a pure clear skill that has a double delay on it

that being 0.75 base cast time + 0.3 till the first hop

[proud gorge]

the big problem with the trans shockwave totem is that it doesn't have infinite range

if it did it'd just be weird BV

[onyx adder]

thats slow as shit

[proud gorge]

imagine if it followed you around for its duration or something

so it's just a duration skill

[fossil mural]

If brands reattached instantly it would have been playable. You can make it last like 0.1, have activation freq of 0.05 or smth, and then it does shit quickly

[hexed mountain]

there's so many cool body armours antiquarian could have that are just not played because necrotics and twilights exist

[spice pecan]

are the storm brand buffs copium

[hexed mountain]

yes

[fossil mural]

But then deattached duration would be super low

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I'm also gonna wait and see what some of the new exceptional supports do

[hexed mountain]

also stormbrand lost a free +1 chain

[proud gorge]

I'm sure there's something fun in there

[hexed mountain]

i hope they're not too meme

[fossil mural]

Cdr for vaal skills surely

[proud gorge]

maybe something that can finally make Abberath's Hooves playable again 😢

[hexed mountain]

yeah uber atziri will have an exceptional vaal related one probs

[stable pumice]

I have only one question

[hexed mountain]

since they're boss loot

[stable pumice]

Why do they hate inventory space for us

[fossil mural]

Friction and weight

[stable pumice]

Doing this with maps . Means less map slots to store them

Which means we lose... ALOT

[proud gorge]

all Abberath's Hooves needs is a support gem that deals all the damage by itself and just needs a linked skill to trigger it

[proud gorge]

we aggressively don't know that

its quite likely map tab will be reworked to have a ton of storage space per tier

or not, who knows

we have no info on that subject, and anyone saying otherwise is purely speculating

[stable pumice]

Yeah, that's why i am worried xD

As like mannn i dont wanna loose that 500 + space

XD

[proud gorge]

why are you acting as though it's already a thing then

and stating it as though it's true

[fossil mural]

Map tab is fucking useless, now more than ever

[stable pumice]

Because i expect the worst

[fossil mural]

[proud gorge]

don't spread misinformation

[stable pumice]

I never did?

[fossil mural]

Literally a wate of money and screen space

[zenith citrus]

What are you storing in your map tabs anyway

[proud gorge]

maps mostly

[fossil mural]

At least before there was an argument it was easy to see atlas completion

Well now thats not a thing

So wtf does it do

[stable pumice]

On good news i think i know most expensive map these days xD

Untainted paradise pretty sure now it's map drop

[crystal talon]

Yeah, no spreading misinformation. That's my job

[visual stream]

idk i only buy the prem stash and currency stash and been play this game since santum found its fine

[fossil mural]

Seems so yes

[stable pumice]

So perfect rolled one prob will cost pretty penny lol

Also dumb question anyone saw any information how tf we get quality on strongboxes now xD

[stone tundra]

I want to play something else than 10 times flicker in a row, but this patch notes... I see nothing I can play with

[visual stream]

minionw

lightning stuff

[hexed mountain]

guardian and try new skills

[crystal talon]

Banner phys dot

[stable pumice]

Dude says nothing to play with... Bruh xD

[fossil mural]

You dont pag

[zenith citrus]

Giga bait confirmed

[visual stream]

a bunch of holy skills

[zenith citrus]

But I love baiting

[proud gorge]

Cons Path buffed

[visual stream]

tho no number so it is what it is

[proud gorge]

that's sort of like flicker

also Lightning Warp with the Trans Orb of Storm seems fun

[stable pumice]

Unless they done something stupid, which i could see them doing.. but will it be true or no prob not

[ionic tide]

Just roll a variation of KB

[hexed mountain]

also holy relic in essence helm looks INSANE like at level 20 its 1K life regen , imagine at level 28+ in helm , like easy 2K regen with a bit of life regen rate

[proud gorge]

Lightning Warp + Orb of Storms of Squalls

[hexed mountain]

free RF

[fossil mural]

They added new ways to clear while blinking

[proud gorge]

will probably be a sort of flicker-esque fast warpy build

[stable pumice]

Isnt the life regen minion life regen xD?

[proud gorge]

except the orbs are the ones that flicker

[visual stream]

only lightning conduit build benefit from this but i still dont have the number of the orb of storm yet

[proud gorge]

Orb of Storms of Squalls looks to be designed as a primary damage skill

rather than regular OoS's supportive role

[hexed mountain]

ah the 465 value is minions yeah , they didnt say anything about player value

damn thats lame

[stable pumice]

Lol

[fossil mural]

New orb of storms means it travels with you kinda. So can do orb+wintry blast or smth

[hexed mountain]

player still 154 base i guess

[whole bluff]

With a generous interpretation of Orb of Storms of Squalling (wtf does squalling even mean?), and a happy guesstimate, I got bingo!

[proud gorge]

you need to use a lightning skill

[stable pumice]

Just play warcries and suffer in reservation

[fossil mural]

Worse than poe2 smh

Then warp

[brazen vector]

What's the random overbuff?

[stoic horizon]

just piano self cry

[visual stream]

its would even better if its number as primary skills since hit harder = more shock stack

[fossil mural]

Yea whats the overbuff

[whole bluff]

Happy guesstimate

[proud gorge]

Orb of Confusion could (sort of) be Siphoning Trap of Pain

that's a skill that exists

[whole bluff]

True

[stoic horizon]

it will be meta trust

[visual stream]

archmages stuff

[fossil mural]

Charged dash will be meta

Trust

[stable pumice]

Or just play blade flurry, ancestral cry

[stone tundra]

I'm feeling no meta this league

[stable pumice]

All you need xD

[brazen vector]

Ele hit with the new breachlord node will be the meta

[whole bluff]

I should have just slipped when almost hitting bingo in second row and crossed over "energy blade on life" by mistake

[proud gorge]

Siphoning Trap of Pain does seem interesting, a weird Cold DoT build

Cold DoT traps

I guess probably Occultist?

[stoic horizon]

by definition of the acronym meta will always exist

[surreal musk]

meta is a word

[fossil mural]

You lose scorch and sap, or brittle and scorch

[lucid gale]

macOS client uses Meta[l]

[stone tundra]

I mean there is 0 exceptional build better insanely more than others

[brazen vector]

Meta is a word and an acronym

[whole bluff]

Thank you. This might be the random overbuff. Or currency drops + reinstated some map mod effect + influenced areas + new mechanic types

[fossil mural]

And its 2 passives

For breach

[proud gorge]

like, the real question is will Siphoning Trap of Pain have each individual trap deal damage independently of every other trap?

[stoic horizon]

thats pretty metal

[proud gorge]

because if so, that could be kind of nutty

[fossil mural]

Idk if it will be that good

[lucid gale]

[visual stream]

i mean we still need to see skills number to determine that

[stable pumice]

Baaad

[visual stream]

so keep waitting igs

[stable pumice]

XD

[proud gorge]

if the traps don't deal damage independently, then it's a pure clear skill, but if they do then it's probably a good bossing skill also

[stoic horizon]

plz let holy strike bo good

[brazen vector]

I can see some astrolabes being crazy

[fossil mural]

Poison holy strike

[stoic horizon]

poison mace crafting login

[proud gorge]

or well, if they don't deal damage independently it could also deal good damage, but you'd have to very aggressively scale cold DoT damage on Occultist with a small number of traps probably

[fossil mural]

Surely its not just maces

[visual stream]

idk the fact that holy strike minions only stick with u kinda make it fee abit bad imo ?

[stoic horizon]

mace scepter staff as per notes

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[stable pumice]

I want to see all the uniques personally

[proud gorge]

its meant as a Spiritual Aid build, in the Guardian realm of "build minion damage to enhance a melee skill that's legally a minion skill"

[whole bluff]

Ye

[proud gorge]

it's not really a "traditional" minion skill

[proud gorge]

it's basically just a melee skill that happens to scale with minion damage instead of regular damage

[fossil mural]

It copies weapon stats. Its basically totems that follow you, instead of minions

[proud gorge]

it copies only weapon stats

[stoic horizon]

description says they bonk what you hit with the original strike, wonder how that translates to extra strikes, if they truly hit everything that was hit by the main part then its basically a strike skill with minion scaling

[zenith citrus]

Tribal fury plus +1 strike should solve all clear problems

[hexed mountain]

holy strike looks like a HRoC build with less QoL

[proud gorge]

not any of the other relevant stats

[whole bluff]

I like that sabo got big buffs

Or decent buffs at least

[fossil mural]

Especially with the debuff thing

[visual stream]

at that point just play domblow atleast its sentinel run around

[whole bluff]

130%-140% dmg with triggerbots, more CDR, lucky is gooder

[brazen vector]

Im thinking of a trapper starter or str stacking siege ballista as a starter

[fossil mural]

Sabo cdr stacking

Is there anything good on cooldown in the game?

[whole bluff]

Arcanist brand, maybe some jiquani stuff

[stoic horizon]

hexblast

[fossil mural]

Aside from coc

[whole bluff]

Spellslinger is underrated imo

[brazen vector]

Hiiiii sans

[whole bluff]

If you have a big wand (usually grace of the goddess)

[frigid wedge]

right, do i just accept that the entire build will be nerfed or do i play smth actually interesting

[hexed mountain]

i wonder if you could play a hybrid holy strike/holy relic , if multistrike works on holy strike and a fast weapon

[stable pumice]

Fk it play with ballistas

[visual stream]

probarly make u an arkward build where u need to tanky but also minions sclae

[proud gorge]

let's be clear. Totems are proxies, they use your exact stats to deal damage. That means melee damage, physical damage, generic damage, all those stats, benefit totems, as well as your weapon base damage. Minions are not proxies, they do not in any way use your stats. The only thing they benefit from is minion damage and other minion-based stat increases. Them copying your weapon stats does not in any way mean they'll be good with no minion damage, in fact they'll be complete ass with no minion damage.

[frigid wedge]

bc mfa got hit in like 6 diff ways

[frigid wedge]

hi alesia

[hexed mountain]

if not you can always use holy relic for utility

[whole bluff]

Surgical precision as usual

[zenith citrus]

Staves
Fast
Choose one

[frigid wedge]

?

[whole bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/run-running-mascot-running-away-gif-15262317

[hexed mountain]

ah staff only?

[zenith citrus]

Mace/sceptre/staff

[proud gorge]

There's a reason why Animate Weapon of Self Reflection builds still build heavily into minion stats, because the animated weapons are good for getting base damage, but you still very much need multipliers to get them to deal realistic damage

[frigid wedge]

i want to play spammy clear build

[whole bluff]

The nerfs

[whole bluff]

Exhibit A

[stoic horizon]

thats basically 3/4 of minion builds

[frigid wedge]

do i just fuckin click camerias avarice like a true baller

[fossil mural]

You can make minion damage benefit you

[brazen vector]

What actually got nerfed for mfa?

[frigid wedge]

and roll w it

[visual stream]

fair

[proud gorge]

yes it's called Spiritual Aid, which I directly mentioned

Holy Strike is a Spiritual Aid guardian build

[fossil mural]

Just mana stacking in general

[proud gorge]

in which you take Spiritual aid and a bunch of minion damage that you also benefit from

[hexed mountain]

brightbeak and let the auras carry the damage

[visual stream]

oh man that skill is like on crack when u scale it right but at the sametimes very hard to see real dps on pob

[frigid wedge]

choir got halved, u lost half ur % es bc int got tapped there, u lost half ur accuracy from shapers touch, if i want to go eva i lose half the % on the mastery, not sure whats happening with replaced support gems like awa fork which might brick clear

[zenith citrus]

Ur minion copies your weapon

[proud gorge]

I think the one thing Holy Strike has really shown is that people don't understand the difference between Minions and Proxies

[hexed mountain]

yeah you gotta use the auras , idk if holy strike has a CD

[proud gorge]

because they assume a minion that copies your weapon stats will attack with the same exact damage as if you were attacking with that weapon

[zenith citrus]

It doesn't even copy your weapon

[whole bluff]

Int to ES I'd assume, maybe int to evasion if you thought jade flask was worth (I would), accuracy might now not be free from glove if they used that, idk more

[bleak umbra]

Sooo are chisels gonna be expensive in standard now? Or useless ?

[zenith citrus]

It just copies the stats lmao

[stone tundra]

Maybe I will try for the first time mines? Is there any good mine skill?

[fossil mural]

Well it probably copies visuals

[frigid wedge]

so like, i can still mfa, and just go crit+ghost dance but its gonna lose ehp and a lotta mana

or

[brazen vector]

Doesn't seem too bad

[zenith citrus]

Nope

[nova schooner]

Are there any changes to map stash tabs cause maps will no longer be specific but tiered ?

[frigid wedge]

i can play some bulshittery with proj spam

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[frigid wedge]

such as lightning warp tshot or cam av

[bleak umbra]

Mines are a clunky playstyle but a lot of them are good

[proud gorge]

mines aren't very clunky these days

[fossil mural]

Mines arent really clunky lol

[zenith citrus]

I think it creates a version of mace/scepter/staff

[proud gorge]

just get a 20/20 Automation linked to Detonate Mines

[frigid wedge]

mines r only clunky if ur throwing speed is shit

[stone tundra]

My first builds in 3.4-3.8 was totems so even more clunkier than mines I think

[proud gorge]

they used to be pretty clunky

[stoic horizon]

mines are now just funny self cast these days with automation detonate

[fossil mural]

Poo2 would copy the visuals, better game

[dense rock]

why settle for one? Make a feedback loop that shits out every single multi proj spell once every 0.25secs

[bleak umbra]

Pyroclast is good no ?

[hexed mountain]

the only issue with mines is you probably cannot get charged mines sup imbued on your gem if its not a mine gem

[proud gorge]

but these days automation-detonate mines tech makes them pretty smooth

[visual stream]

u spend 2 extra gems slot for it tho give me back left click ggg

[hexed mountain]

and charged mines sup level 1 is the same stats as level 20 damage wise

[frigid wedge]

im not leaguestarting wardloop, and if i do a looper im looping voltaxic burst

[fossil mural]

Ggg said if it can support it will appear

[short prairie]

Wow

[stoic horizon]

it best for lvling then it feels weird even though its boss dmg is great

[fossil mural]

Even if its a negative effect

[bleak umbra]

Kb mines was also pretty common recently

[whole bluff]

Our Lord and Saviour Jiquani is still going strong, with mask of the stitched demon

[dense rock]

who said anything about a wardloop

[hexed mountain]

yeah but it can't support glacial cascade by default

[short prairie]

Fortify flicker pls ill pay 5c

[frigid wedge]

sorry mb lemme lens loop

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, that Triggerbots Jiquani Sabo build from last league probably still works

that's a funny build

[fossil mural]

Glacial cascade mines

[proud gorge]

I highly recommend it

[hexed mountain]

so you wont get imbued charged mines on a glacial cascade gem

[bleak umbra]

Gc is such a fun build man

[hexed mountain]

because it cant support unless you're supported by minefield

[bleak umbra]

I love hearing monsters go crunch

[hexed mountain]

or high impact miens

[whole bluff]

Isn't it just kinda like, you click your gem to hope for anything you would use on your 7L

[proud gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO5vYCkWe2c

[stoic horizon]

eow is a great mine skill too

[proud gorge]

aw no the embed

anyways check that out

[fossil mural]

Time to brick your gems in a new way, honey

[frigid wedge]

@brazen vector other reason to not go mfa is literally just bc it has shit clear and i feel like i should play smth with good clear if we actually have juicing

[visual stream]

yah but atleast ggg make the gem sustable to the skills

[bleak umbra]

Ok soooo chisels in standard. Deleted? New mass buyout currency? Useless? Can people still run old maps?

[whole bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/the-pain-only-makes-me-stronger-the-mitchells-vs-the-machines-the-pain-makes-me-powerful-the-pain-feels-good-mitchells-vs-machines-gif-21431785

[zenith citrus]

Do you guys think mageblood will be cheap next league

[tight plinth]

how good is "enemy damage hitting you is unlucky"?

[hexed mountain]

yeah but it needs to be able to support the gem by default so no mine supports on spells that arent mines

[zenith citrus]

Since screams of the dessicated seems so much better

[fossil mural]

Its decent

[visual stream]

as good as lucky block

[brazen vector]

Vaal Arc ignite let's goo

[visual stream]

lucky suppress

[hexed mountain]

quite nice especially vs lightning damage and spiking hits that actually kill you

its good when it needs to be good *

[proud gorge]

the Triggerbots Sabo build actually got buffed this league

30% less damage instead of 35% less damage

[fossil mural]

No one played it

So

[stoic horizon]

azadi crest sabo login

[tight plinth]

how do i counteract damage is unlucky tho 🤔

[proud gorge]

I'm gonna post the video link again

[pulsar vault]

Runegraft

[proud gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO5vYCkWe2c

[fossil mural]

Dont go volatility

[stoic horizon]

ailment builds ig

[proud gorge]

click that build, it's very fun

[hexed mountain]

sadly the only sabo i'm interested in only takes the CDR node out of the buffed ones

[stoic horizon]

but then lucky crit kinda bad

[tight plinth]

oooh which one?

[proud gorge]

a bit fiddly

[bleak umbra]

Were there any good assassin builds after the changes? Felt like the rework kinda flopped

[proud gorge]

but a very silly build

[hexed mountain]

i mean perfect crime too but irrelevant buff on BB of unloading

[fossil mural]

Fire and cold damage has like 0 range

[proud gorge]

truly the essence of PoE

200 things on screen at once

[hexed mountain]

is this a jung build?

[normal gust]

man, they absolutely cooked for 3.28, right? was a lot to take in

[hexed mountain]

200 hits : 2m dps

?

[tight plinth]

no point in taking the node if im gonna get unexciting anyway

[proud gorge]

nah

[fossil mural]

Oh yea did jung do his interview yet

[proud gorge]

it's actually good DPS, it's a uber boss killer

[hexed mountain]

its wild that this is the only assassin buff

[fossil mural]

Buffed binos and killed mamba in the same patch

[proud gorge]

and very cheap for an uber boss killer at that

[hexed mountain]

same for warden , who even takes that node

[fossil mural]

And its borderline useless

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[fossil mural]

They did buff oshabo elusive node

50% mark effect

[proud gorge]

the main downside of the build is that it's a bit fiddly at lower budget

at high budget you can get an ES on hit Life on hit watcher's eye

but at lower budget you only get one

and need to make up for it with a life on spell hit shaper ring

[thick goblet]

oh i was hoping to hit that, im glad you mentioned it
ig the good thing is i wont go insane trying to hit it in ssf now

[fossil mural]

Inb4 it can roll anyway

[bleak umbra]

They should make a new 3rd ascendancy and just ditch assassin. Stealth fantasy doesn’t work in Poe and crit is a mechanic that most builds can invest into it’s not a specialty

[hexed mountain]

icicle mines of fanning are decent i think

[proud gorge]

but yeah, it's a very fun build

[hexed mountain]

(and pyroclast antiquarian could be fun)

[dense rock]

😮 We getting new oros flicker

[fossil mural]

Self ignite but you cant apply a good ignite

The build

[dense rock]

whatever allows me to never stop flickering 😄

[hexed mountain]

kiloava antiquarian node looks kinda neat if you get a kiloava shield on top

so only need a good weapon node on top

[tight plinth]

goddess node is probably gonna be decent

[fossil mural]

No actually how the fuck do you play self ignite now. Chief got halved, this does zdps, you cant refresh ignites anymore

[frigid wedge]

i want spammy this league, not explody

[hexed mountain]

they said there was a goddess node?

[tight plinth]

yeah

[fossil mural]

You can see shadows of uniques

[dense rock]

by using it on a summoner build as a mobility tool 😄

[hexed mountain]

guess that just free damage for phys builds

[pulsar dune]

Maybe death wish

Pretty rough even there tho

[hexed mountain]

oh neat

ty

[bleak umbra]

Lft 1 stack of chisels for item quantity support in standard 🤣

[stoic horizon]

btw howlcrack has been confirmed to be removed

[tight plinth]

howlcrack is changed into something else

[frigid wedge]

theres a new sword for self ignite and u can still fulcrum, u just reflect to urself, smth like ward shatter removes the button need too

[hexed mountain]

terminus est?

we flickering lads

[stoic horizon]

and widowhail node will be nerfed compared to reveal

[bleak umbra]

Neuron activation

[cobalt blade]

brass dome iirc they said for howl

[tight plinth]

yeah

[cobalt blade]

and we dunno widow

[tight plinth]

honestly brass dome might be better than kiloava

[fossil mural]

Ward shatter does zdps

[frigid wedge]

naca are u just starting armourstacker

[visual stream]

100% is insane

[fossil mural]

The sword is zdps too

[frigid wedge]

u bring a 6L for boss ignite and u self ignite for clear

[cobalt blade]

i think an inquis setup into frostmage sparker is my current plan

[frigid wedge]

interesting, why frostmage

[hexed mountain]

that's kitava's feast not kitava's thirst btw

[cobalt blade]

better than archmage and you get auras

[frigid wedge]

ig so

[cobalt blade]

Breachlord ascend convert to cold to lightning wrathzeal haste

[bleak umbra]

Is there any skill that has a cult following like flicker does? Like rf I guess but I feel like rf players don’t think it’s the most fun thing god put on this earth like flicker players do

[cobalt blade]

seems good on paper if you can sustain the cost

[undone gazelle]

howlcrack has been changed to brass dome, and widowhail is changed

[zenith citrus]

Minions

[fossil mural]

Rf players absolutely do think that

[cobalt blade]

Though it might just be better to go raw aura stack spark over frostmage but frostmage seems fun

[visual stream]

rf

the most ancient cult

[bleak umbra]

I think they just play it cause less buttons

[fossil mural]

I am going to do self hit ward explode trust

It now has no cooldown

Well almost