1┃general

[delicate otter]

Oh maven chisel, ok, nvm

Those are fancy so yeah.

[sly minnow]

guess we shitting 6 links full time with that

[steel light]

now we'll be swimming in chisels?

[hard cliff]

@spice pecan @short prairie
viper said that they are gonna clarify the viper strike notes soon

[tight plinth]

yes i get that, i meant at max quality, are they functionally the same as before

[short prairie]

Yes, you can play hit based mamba now

[opal ingot]

xdd

[hard cliff]

deserved kill

[hexed mountain]

Btw im not reading this wrong right... The breach bloodline will transform wrath+ anger in cold damage and then also heatshiver fire damage into cold... So we can a use bonechill

[tight plinth]

it do be kinda stupid that you can just afk gruelling ulti

[soft perch]

yea but the max is different

[tight plinth]

cool

[soft perch]

i rly dont think the breach bloodline is worth clicking outside of ele hit

the power level seems pretty bad for 2 points

[hexed mountain]

Disagreed. There is some mad synergy, with clusters too

Like stormrider

[leaden quiver]

Its not worth clicking outside of something very niche

[spice pecan]

lmaooo

[tight plinth]

yeah

[leaden quiver]

Anyway who cares its DOM BLOW AND HOLY STRIKE TIME

[soft perch]

im pretty sure converting to chaos with lycia is pretty much universally better

[hexed mountain]

You need to convert the rest tho

[soft perch]

costs a bit extra with the foulborn and tattoos

[short prairie]

It’s not like you will be interrupted with cast in death, this is useless

[tight plinth]

isnt that true for most bloodlines

[soft perch]

but i dont think the breach bloodline is worth it unless ur getting like 25-30% more damage out of it

[spice pecan]

i know, it was specifically for that portal mines build

[soft perch]

which is unlikely

[steel light]

i'm still at around 30% patchnotes, stat stacking is still safe?

[brazen vector]

Still no discharge of misery buffs...

[soft perch]

yea

[tight plinth]

alesia banner main

[sonic vault]

yo anyone wanna hook a boy up on keepers with one of each map so I can bust out completion the next couple nights?

[leaden quiver]

ES from int stack got a big nerf

[hexed mountain]

Depends on your class but yes. Goes crazy with heatshiver or replica heatshiver

[hard cliff]

no frozen legion buffs 😭

[tight plinth]

maaaaaaan that banner corrupting blood support thingy looks so fun

[leaden quiver]

Holy relic regular got massively buffed damn

[hard cliff]

yes it does

[soft perch]

not really tho cuz then ur using an ascendancy and an item compared to people just using the item with the relevant damage type

[leaden quiver]

1000 life regen at level 20

[steel light]

i invested in int stating mumba to bring over to standard also why is emote reaction removed?

[soft perch]

the notable isnt conversion

[spice pecan]

wait, they hit separately now wtf

[steel light]

no poison stacking

[soft perch]

its just instead, which is pretty much worse for everything outside of ele hit

[true flower]

ff/ff for scion gonna be so expensive

[tight plinth]

the new unique sword could a one hander and itd still be ass

[leaden quiver]

What hits separately, wdym. You cant do betrayal sting with it anymore

[hexed mountain]

Its nice for aura stacking who want one element

[topaz wigeon]

holy shit they finally expanded on the templars skills

[leaden quiver]

The ignte one? No shot, its op as fuck with chieftain still

[steel light]

1c

[hexed mountain]

Wrath anger things

[topaz wigeon]

I didn't think they'd do it.

[soft perch]

i doubt it ends up being 30% more damage for aurastackers

aurastackers have so much good shit to click as well

[short prairie]

This is the key

[hexed mountain]

Heralds are also converted flat even if its meh

[tight plinth]

damn holy fame thingy only procs on attack not spells

[short prairie]

No buffs to flicker im sad

[sly minnow]

im actually more curious about the divine blast skill

[leaden quiver]

Yeah, domblow and holy strike hngggg

[sly minnow]

how will modifiers to projectile counts and splits affect it

[final owl]

it's actually pretty funny that instead of making harbies drop stacks they just deleted them

[brazen vector]

Im surprised they didnt nerf heralds again

[leaden quiver]

And the retal skill that chains

[hard cliff]

at just don't knots go

[soft perch]

i mean to be fair harbies also kinda sucked as content

theyre old and kinda lame

[sly minnow]

would be interesting to see how gladiator enjoyers "exploit" the crap out of it
but from paper it looks kinda ass to me

[subtle current]

just like my granddad who has a bad leg

[ocean field]

Intelligence now inherently grants 1% increased Maximum Energy Shield per 10 Intelligence (previously per 5 Intelligence). YEAHHHHHHH FUCK INT STACKERS

[spice pecan]

i mean isn't hit based mamba still screwed by the change too since you're no longer hitting with both weapons at once? plus the aspeed nerf

i don't think poison mamba was even a problem

[final owl]

no argument there, they were pretty dumb. but kinda PoE1 iconic I guess?

[leaden quiver]

We dont have any numbers tho

[true flower]

there was a point in which they stopped nerfing trickster and started nerfing every single mechanic trickster uses

[short prairie]

Leave it to the experts .

[steel light]

did an int stalker stole your girlfriend?

[tight plinth]

theyre also so out of place lore wise

[ocean field]

no int staker penetrated me

[soft perch]

im down for them to get rid of harbs for the time being and freshen them up in the future

[ocean field]

now I am going to penetrate him

[soft perch]

they made it seem like it was the near future as well, probably harb 2 in 3.29 or 3.30

[hexed mountain]

I never farmed harb except to grab a few annuls in ssf

[sly minnow]

it wasnt about the numbers for me
its how the skill looks

[hard cliff]

Someone tell me if I understand this correctly.
Maps are now basically a key you use on what part of the atlas you've got visible to open a selected map of your choice. You have rolls on these but you can't change them.

[sly minnow]

it's just poe2 mapping but better

[tight plinth]

this the new empower? tf are those requirments bruh 😭

[surreal musk]

you still roll maps

[hard cliff]

empower still exists

[brazen vector]

Supreme osteoporosis gaming

[hard cliff]

oh good

[umbral crag]

Not a high bar to beat

[wintry lily]

empower enhance in one, seems fair

[surreal musk]

annd enlighten

[tight plinth]

huh, empower does still exist

[wicked shore]

Tfw you wanna plan your leaguestarter but there's too many unknowns so you don't know how to do it best (multiple plans and hope an unrevealed gem or item fits in to one? Plan assuming nothing unrevealed works for it?)

[umbral crag]

Did u see the gem stats abd levels? They do overlaps hut not the same stuff

[tight plinth]

bro wtf is this support then, this is insane

[wintry lily]

and you run empower enhance with it

[short prairie]

Not insane, scuffed of each version

[sly minnow]

im gonna go for divine blast deadeye and see how bricked it can get
fafo time

[steel light]

🙂

[true flower]

just play whatever cheap build that works, and buy regret orbs when you get a divine later

[tight plinth]

you mean the greater and the non greater?

[umbral crag]

....

[subtle current]

ggg can do a funny and let the level 4 corrupt still be +1 skill level

[tight plinth]

i have smol brain, cant hold much info, wdym

[short prairie]

I would take flicker strike with +1 fortify support linked to it

[umbral crag]

Empower +2 skill level at lvl 3. This +1 at lvl 3. It's a water down version of empower and enhance but in a single gem

[sly minnow]

does it mean that divine printing for shipping zanthimums to kalguur is dead

[ocean field]

hmm I will wait till league start

[topaz wigeon]

new empower is just all 3 at once?

[tranquil umbra]

yes

[sly minnow]

and enlighten

[ocean field]

if this is not the case Imma just refund gng

[tranquil umbra]

weaker versions of all 3

[tight plinth]

no, empower still exists

[umbral crag]

Ah ye

[topaz wigeon]

double corrupt

they don't make bad exceptional gems

[tranquil umbra]

?

[lilac fern]

i figured out the most op build this game, it's called "don't play"

[short prairie]

Built in terminus est is insane for flicker, can’t wait to play

[topaz wigeon]

There has never once been a useless exceptional gem

[blazing nymph]

No exceptions?

[topaz wigeon]

that thing definetly has a use somewhere

[tight plinth]

i wonder if this could be useful with something

[topaz wigeon]

No exceptions one could say @blazing nymph 🙂

[tight plinth]

brandrecall memes?

[opal ingot]

ebladeee

[tight plinth]

ooooh

[opal ingot]

kidding idk how eblade scales

[short prairie]

Eblade nerf

[topaz wigeon]

oh yeah brand recall build is getting even more support

[opal ingot]

let's cope and say the inc atk speed is local

[final owl]

cool. There is probably a place for discussing not playing PoE. I think they call it "literally anywhere other than here"

[short prairie]

It’s unlikely

[topaz wigeon]

i hate brand recall builds They're like super lame auto bombers

[lilac fern]

storm brand gonna be good. best off screen clear skill got buffed

[sly minnow]

huh, huh?
templar league starting is good now

[short prairie]

But since it’s a weapon, it CAN happen

[lilac fern]

your opinion is noted lol

[coarse prawn]

Great patch

Feel like conqueror expansion for real

[topaz wigeon]

how you fix templars accuracey besides precision early?

do you just invest in mana so you can run all 3 basic auras

[lucid gale]

RIP Glacial Hammer + Elemental Prolif

[topaz wigeon]

since early templar can run whatever damage on weapons they want pretty much

[lilac fern]

isn't precision enough for accuracy till late game?

[lucid gale]

It was prolif, right?

[blazing nymph]

Pretty sure it was, yeah

[opal ingot]

i think precision and an accuracy cluster

[topaz wigeon]

yeah buty ou don't get mana/life leech till annoints as templar

so you also need to run precis/vit

[short prairie]

They added small clusters?

[tight plinth]

wait templar gets hallow support at beach? its useless without an ally/minion no?

[hoary scarab]

im laughing so hard at the mamba change rn

[topaz wigeon]

they did?

[short prairie]

Yes?

[opal ingot]

🥹 the league when i finally wanted to play mamba

[topaz wigeon]

what happened theres too much in the patch notes

[topaz wigeon]

new passive tree already up?

[short prairie]

GGG: NERF

[wintry lily]

You're not missing out on much tbh

[opal ingot]

mamba doesn't combine damage from 2 daggers, 20% less dps and 30% less atk speed. low cluster nerfed from 300% to 200%

tldr fuck you

[short prairie]

No.

[hoary scarab]

it now functions like normal viper strike for hits, so its 2 seperate hits when dual wielding aka dual wield mamba for poison is ded

[wintry lily]

Mamba as a whole is a relatively boring skill.

[subtle current]

good ol' triple tap

[hard cliff]

How do i play mind over matter on a attack skill?

[opal ingot]

idk i watched ap vids about mamba and the showcase is relly interesting for me

[short prairie]

Also the dot change

[topaz wigeon]

ahhhhh

[opal ingot]

and that

[wintry lily]

It's literally a slow dual strike that poisons sir.

[lucid gale]

Added a new Strength/Intelligence Support Gem, Hallow: Supports melee attacks you use yourself, causing them to inflict Hallowing Flame on melee hit. Does not modify skills used by minions.

[short prairie]

I take dual strike of ambidex over this

[hoary scarab]

mamba is ded and im happy

[wintry lily]

Thats literally what mamba was, it just had great numbers here and there

Just play DS of ambi and play poison on it

There, your "Mamba" is alive again /s

[tight plinth]

so hallow support is useless at beach?

[opal ingot]

i will play lightning arrow deadeye for the 5th time again

[short prairie]

Flicker for once?

[tight plinth]

dahek ggg

[opal ingot]

oh fuck. i completely forgot about that skill

[short prairie]

I’ll cook a pob after league start

[opal ingot]

hmm but i kinda want to stick to ranger, cuz i want to make an int stack tornado shot in the future

[lucid gale]

00:14:10.750 --> 00:14:12.933
Hallow supports melee attacks, causing them to inflict a new debuff: Hallowing Flame.

Hallowing Flame. turns your Warcries into engines of holy consecration. Hallowing Flame builds up as charges on enemies, getting consumed when attacked. to cause rapid cascades of explosive energy.
Consuming a stack of Hallowing Flame gives the attack that consumed it a significant amount of extra fire damage - but only those who did not inflict the Hallowing Flame are able to consume it.
Perfect for those of you who enjoy a more supportive playstyle with your army of Holy Sentinels!

[short prairie]

I don’t think pob is available on macos right?

[cobalt blade]

it runs under wine for macos afaik

[tight plinth]

yes and you dont have minions at beach

[lucid gale]

There's a third party package much like for APT, there's the pob.cool website, and there's running PoB under Wine-likes.

[tight plinth]

so no way to proc it

[hoary scarab]

basic attack

[short prairie]

Right there’s pob cool

[lucid gale]

I don't know anything about this support, just gluing subtitles together 😄

[tight plinth]

the enemy gets the debuff but no way to actually make use of it, only allies and minion can do it for you

[sly minnow]

bruh they found the cast on portal guy xdd

[hoary scarab]

pretty sure they meant the anything but the skill that inflicted it, not the whole player

[full kraken]

Hey I just realized

GGG didnt explain what those trees in the corner of the atlas even were right? Like Im not crazy they just glazed right past whatever those were yeah?

[cobalt blade]

do you happen to know anything on if the shrine belt rolls since ive heard 1 offensive 1 defensive shrine but havent seen a source

[tight plinth]

but only those WHO did not inflict the Hallowing Flame are able to consume it.

[lilac fern]

so poe 1 wont have boss teleporting out changed like poe 2 does?

[cobalt blade]

you could see shaper maps on one of them

[opal ingot]

please zao...

[strange finch]

how does it get single target with pbod being triple tapped?

[hoary scarab]

again, pretty sure they meant the skill that inflicted it

[cobalt blade]

pretty sure its just the map content tied to x voidstone

[lucid gale]

@tight plinth Holy Strike summons minions, I believe.

[hard cliff]

@strange finch
Holy based mischief makers fan

[brazen vector]

Thats guardian maps and stuff thats nor on the atlas like voidstones

[tight plinth]

aaaaah now it makes sense thanks

[full kraken]

Ah are they just the part of the tree the various influenced guardian maps are?

Gotcha

[hoary scarab]

oh yeah holy strike is that weird floating weapon

[tight plinth]

yeah yeah they count as minions

[cobalt blade]

prolly okay with spiritual aid +minion dmg clusters?

[hexed mountain]

Me just waiting for holy strike to not have innate melee splash

[full kraken]

Its gonna be either bait or ultra imba this league

[hoary scarab]

holy strike is very hard for me to see working as a clear skill, but we will see

[tight plinth]

guardian start looks ppretty good

[hard cliff]

yes

[hoary scarab]

guardian is gonna be hella solid

[hexed mountain]

Im more looking at the phys damage as extra per hallowed procced by minion. Just slap it on cyclone and have herald of purity proc it for you

[hard cliff]

it's gonna be sketchy af

[karmic gust]

you can just play coc with that node

[hoary scarab]

mana stacking guardian with frostmage support goes brrr

[full kraken]

Whats critical is if the gem has "minion dmg increases abd reductions to this skill at n rate yadda yadda" on it

[karmic gust]

then you dont have to be melee attack guardian which is something you probs never want to be anyway lmao

[tight plinth]

permanent super saiyan

[hard cliff]

fuck that use smite

[hexed mountain]

You only apply hallowed on melee hit tho

[hard cliff]

oh no

[hoary scarab]

isnt static strike technically a melee hit?

[royal storm]

Charged Dash league?

[spice pecan]

have they released the actual nodes for scavenger reliquarian yet? didn't see it in the patch notes

[full kraken]

Youd want an aoe slam that hits multiple times prolly tbh

[hard cliff]

it's so over

vaal smite if u have room might genuinely be good if you don't use vaal skeletons

[hexed mountain]

Idk you want giga stack on boses where it matters

[opaque wing]

They have not, Nat said on reddit that its slated for Monday

[karmic gust]

it is

[tight plinth]

get a range vortex of berserking going to build up holy flame thing and have a big slam thingy for main damage

[full kraken]

Doesnt it cap at like 4 stacks

[hard cliff]

yeah I agree

[hexed mountain]

To be faire with elemental relics and hallowed node a basic cyclone guardian with a staf probably works well

[spice pecan]

the hallowed flame stuff i really don't know how to feel about

[short prairie]

Static strike resonating with shockwave is fun

[hexed mountain]

You need 8 stacks procced recently by minions

[hard cliff]

that's awesome

[tight plinth]

either complete garbo or broken, either one

[hoary scarab]

yeah so use the new chaining static strike

[full kraken]

That means you only need like 2hits per sec min, which isnt very fast

[spice pecan]

they also nerfed ballista placement speed from 0.35 to 0.5 lol

[hexed mountain]

A bit more to be consistent yeah

[hard cliff]

with the guardian node you're basically applying hallowed flame to get some minion with you to pocket to feed it back into you it's extra physical to lightning you got like a circuit going on ya?

[full kraken]

Id consider going Arakaalis tbh

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[lilac fern]

what about the new sweep, it look interesting at all?

[tight plinth]

if you have hallow support and guardian node, do you apply 3 holy flame at a time?

[hexed mountain]

Herald of purity boys or holy relic do the job easy

[hoary scarab]

new sweep is just an improved old sweep

[hexed mountain]

New sweep looks clunky tbh

[full kraken]

Yeah holy relic will quickly stack it up

[hard cliff]

that's kinda cool why wouldn't those ghost Holy weapon things make this instant setup?

[hexed mountain]

It would but then you are playing holy strike

[hard cliff]

Holy relic can give you bajliliin hp regen now

[full kraken]

The new belt is a decent buff to Twisters, Im already happy with that

[karmic gust]

i mean you can also just use the regular one

makes no difference for that node

[hard cliff]

it's not even out yet how do you know it's bad

[strange finch]

thank you. its a sick game

[hexed mountain]

Its a strike skill

[sly minnow]

GGG did the funny (not)

[strange finch]

rip my pbod build I wanted to go

[hard cliff]

😭

[full kraken]

I dunno what I would annoint next on twisters tho, prolly take life gain on block tbh and free up some passives

[worldly bridge]

Saw the slam changes, deserved honestly. As someone that likes slams. I saw the over, auto, and earth shatter nerfs coming from a mile away. I heard that carn was really really upset and saying, i assume very emotionally, that people justifying the slam nerfs were just fubgun andys mimicking his points. And im here to say no the nerfs were warranted for a build that people played four leagues in a row. Im more surprised it hadnt been nerfed already

[final owl]

As a flicker enjoyer I must protest this strike skill slander :I

[full kraken]

The new belt might afford me to +4 passive points and life gain on block which is yummmmy

[karmic gust]

carn is always upset when anything that he plays gets nerfed :d

[hexed mountain]

To be fair if i go templar im defo trying each skill a bit to see

[cobalt blade]

overexertion nerf is decent but its also still just your best support too lmfao

[karmic gust]

overexertion wasturbo broken for no reason

[worldly bridge]

Slams are definitely not unplayable.

[karmic gust]

like it was better than other supports at 2 warcries already

which made no sense

[steel light]

wait what, why? isn't chisel gonna be nerf next patch?

[hexed mountain]

Btw... Holy relic in a +8 essence helm..

[cobalt blade]

even now its still better at 3 or 4 warcries because 2 sets of more damage lmao

[hexed mountain]

Whats the life regen like on level 29 holy relic? 2000?

[opal ingot]

First of all — breathe. This is a certified Path of Exile emotional event.

Every PoE player goes through at least one “my build is dead” arc per league. You are not alone.

Now let’s unpack it.

[sly minnow]

pohx is nutting for this

[worldly bridge]

I honestly might login to sweep

[hoary scarab]

ok but my build is actually dead

[sly minnow]

free 12% more early rf damage

[karmic gust]

ignite refresh being gone is so nice

[opal ingot]

0 * 1.12 = ?

[karmic gust]

idk why they thought it was good ideato addstat like that in first place ngl

[worldly bridge]

No im saying im chill and that anyone complaining about slam nerfs is the crazy ones

[cobalt blade]

pretty big early CWS nerf i think but maybe they buff ignite because its gone

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/m-g4G9MPp7M

is this bait?

[worldly bridge]

I just had to type it all in one long message because of ten second slow mode

[tight plinth]

what is this?

[sly minnow]

rallying cry iirc

[short prairie]

No

[worldly bridge]

Looks like rallying cry?

[tight plinth]

yeah it is

[hybrid harness]

kboc legion should be very untouched yea? legion maybe even buffed if that scarab is big

[cobalt blade]

chaos dot so yes

[cobalt blade]

it lost the runegraft but it should still be fine

[karmic gust]

kboc did not lost the runegraft no

[cobalt blade]

it did read the bug fixes

[short prairie]

The proj still chains?

[worldly bridge]

Its clustering it never loses based on the premise of it being clustering

[karmic gust]

oh does this limit the explosions to 1 as well?

xd

[worldly bridge]

Also mana stackers still exist

[karmic gust]

yea i uess then its a rip

[cobalt blade]

presumably yes

[short prairie]

[cobalt blade]

i am looking forward to frostmage tho seems nuts on paper

auras on archmage a bit funky of a support to add

[sly minnow]

welp, guess im sticking with bows until I talk to siosa if I wanna use that shield skill as ranger

[worldly bridge]

You WILL stat stack says GGG

[karmic gust]

well you just go either lifetap or EB and just reserve whole mana on frostmage no

[full kraken]

Do we think any duelist start has ability to outperform pconc->econc in acts with the nerfs/buffs

Or is that still the starter

[karmic gust]

sounds pretty easy to make work

or just reduce the cost i guess

[cobalt blade]

i was thinking whispers

[karmic gust]

yea also works

[hard cliff]

why

serious

[karmic gust]

not like you use mana for anything useful anyway

on ES mana builds

outside of cloak

[hard cliff]

[cobalt blade]

or my other thought based entirely on shrine belt replenishing shrine 10% mana regen

that should be strong enough to solve recovery without needing to do nonsense

[cobalt blade]

it just doesnt have good scaling vectors

[brazen vector]

I know what Ill start

[tight plinth]

yeah i know what im farming this league

[tight plinth]

what? please share

[cobalt blade]

(specifically under the assumption of the 1 offensive 1 defensive ive seen going around spark accel+replenishing shrine)

[brazen vector]

Ill have to pob once I fell asleep again

[hard cliff]

thank you

[karmic gust]

you could also just mana flask ammy t that point

especially if you are playing frostmage on hiero

[tight plinth]

oh i just meant share what the idea was, not the whole pob

[cobalt blade]

i think that amulets bad its too much points to get flask effect and enkindling orb wouldnt work since its effect on the flask not you

[brazen vector]

Basic bitch str stack ballista

[tight plinth]

booooooo

[cobalt blade]

alch genius these smalls at ranger and natural remedies

[karmic gust]

depends on what you are doing with it but its pretty good amulet imo

but its also best on garbage archetype

e.g life mom

you dont rly need the smalls you can just annoint naturarl remedies and thats it

[cobalt blade]

i dont understand how your getting that much mana from it what

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/rUW-Gkh8Uu77

[brazen vector]

Ive never played a stat stacker before and wanted to play either dex stacking ballista or str stack ballista for like 7 leagues but didn't

[topaz wigeon]

how come whenever we actually have cool things

[cobalt blade]

oh i see liquis inspiration

[karmic gust]

scaling mana and life flasks is easy

[topaz wigeon]

content creators manage to come up with the most boring shit instead

[cobalt blade]

yeah no that looks like too much investment you drop so much mana for frost mage

[topaz wigeon]

I swear there is no soul to most poe content anymore

[karmic gust]

i mean liquid is 15% inc mana each

[tight plinth]

have you watched that poeguy on youtubes?

[hard cliff]

wouldn't this be better on totems?

[hexed mountain]

btw for imbued gems bloodthirst is legit basically the same gem level 1 and 20 that could finally have a use

[karmic gust]

its pretty good node

[crude lance]

Winter Orb: Projectile Speed modifiers now affect the time it takes for projectiles to impact the ground (previously projectile speed had no effect on Winter Orb).

[brazen vector]

Who

[cobalt blade]

and RMR i think is worth it to fit in extra auras my current plan is to go breach lord ascend convert the cold to lightning do wrath+zeal+haste

[karmic gust]

triple large emight be too much tho ut yea

[crude lance]

Wtf does that mean

[tight plinth]

the one always playing dex/str stacking ballista

[topaz wigeon]

Bloodthirst always had a use. It just was never end game bis

[cobalt blade]

its alot of flat missing though

[topaz wigeon]

it was to make physical leveling viable now it makes end game low life viable

[hard cliff]

ohh it's indigo

[crude lance]

And why we had proj speed on winter orb in heist versions of winter orb

[hexed mountain]

its mid but you get nearly as much from level 1 imbued support than a full level 20 so its nice

[brazen vector]

I dont watch content creators and influencers

[hard cliff]

nevermind

[karmic gust]

well the flat is on larges

[simple stag]

Am i understanding the trans static strike to be a constant melee skill and not automatic beams

[topaz wigeon]

yeah that's crazy for giga chonk builds

[karmic gust]

yea its just another ls of arcing

the new static strrike

pretty much

[simple stag]

meh

[hard cliff]

@topaz wigeon
dude you gotta give me time to guess

[tight plinth]

what does excommunicate mean?

[karmic gust]

i assume it chaining further means it gets extra chains

[cobalt blade]

ay but you get so much more from smalls idk

[karmic gust]

so might be good for penance mark memes also :d

if it doesnt hjave shit damage

[hard cliff]

I should abuse snipers mark

[cobalt blade]

its definitely an angle you can consider but i feel like that amulet is worse than another route oh and the amulet disables using shrine belt

[simple stag]

i'll pass. i want that autobomb style rn

[cobalt blade]

just remembered i t does that

[brazen vector]

Excommunicated enemies cant deal chaos damage

[blazing nymph]

Cannot deal chaos damage, apparently

[tight plinth]

whered you guys see that?

[blazing nymph]

Hands of Heresy unique gloves

[tight plinth]

oh its been a thing before

[brazen vector]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Hand_of_Heresy

[crude lance]

Its a very memey pair of gloves from ritual i assume? Or mercs

[cobalt blade]

mercs

[crude lance]

Yeah mercs, seen them once ane never again

[tight plinth]

mercs didnt make it 😭

[hard cliff]

What's the top end for rolling magma mines?

[tight plinth]

i was hoping for mercs mang

[crude lance]

Thank god they didnt

[final owl]

i think mercs come with way more balance complications than any of the other stuff that has gone core lately

even if the choices they have made in that regard are still kinda confusing to me

[crude lance]

But winter orb change is really weird

It means proj speed is good now?

[karmic gust]

its good change but the skill is still shit

[crude lance]

Or bad, wtf does their wording mean

[karmic gust]

makes the annoying as fuck delay less annoying when shooting at stuff that moves

[hexed mountain]

holy flame totem or divine ire totem could be interesting , you can just proc hallowed flame on cyclone to get 80% phys as extra while your totems nuke stuff

[crude lance]

Still better than scourge arrow

[tight plinth]

bruh 😭

[hexed mountain]

(or stormburst totem i forgor)

[full lava]

hey guys is there an item i can subtitute that is not lvl 83 and has frenzy charges?

[karmic gust]

scourge arrow is pretty good now so 🤷‍♂️

[hexed mountain]

wait stormburst totem was quite good already wasnt it

[tight plinth]

tf am i gonna do with 3 high level support gems

[karmic gust]

somewhat

[cobalt blade]

it was an okay sanctum build

[karmic gust]

but the change is bette rfor selfcast

than totem

[hexed mountain]

with the little buff and 80% phys as extra it can only be better

[hard cliff]

totem hallow flame is insane if they count

[cobalt blade]

or wait no thats shockwave oops

[hexed mountain]

even if the totems dont proc hallowed flame your herald of purity boys will do the job

[hard cliff]

true

[hexed mountain]

its legit a 80% added as extra for totems since you're free to cyclone while they cast

[karmic gust]

wait do you want to play it on guardian

[brazen vector]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/6dYOz6UG

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[karmic gust]

becaue spell totems outside of hiero

are kinda meme

unless you plan to ff the node

[hexed mountain]

idk like triple damage aura + 80% phys as extra surely outdamages hiero

[karmic gust]

yea surely

[hexed mountain]

can FF the node sure yeah

[karmic gust]

and then you are playing without 100% placemnt speed

that makes spell totems barely playable

[cobalt blade]

the totem placement speed >emerge speed seemed kinda nuts for spell totems specifically no?

[tight plinth]

so like hallowing flames can be triggered by gen cry?

[hexed mountain]

they boosted totem placement speed tho no? i think i read that

[karmic gust]

they only nerfed ballista one

dont thin they boosted spell one

and then added the emerge yea

[hard cliff]

you could put cast speed on a spell totem four link

[karmic gust]

which also means placement speed is even more important than befoe

[cobalt blade]

thats the exact line so it should apply to spell ones just rat nerfed

[hexed mountain]

right no base buff

[tranquil sedge]

read the patch notes

[hard cliff]

why can't you use hallow flame in reverse

let a minion apply it and you bconsume it to buff your minion

[tranquil sedge]

what a weird bunch of nerfs

[tight plinth]

foulborn hallow flame

[cobalt blade]

thats just called party play

[tawdry olive]

Patch notes be like: fuck blue
Int stack evasion mastery nerfed
Int stack es increase nerfed
Also Harby gon

Red ES league

[hard cliff]

yasssss

[onyx adder]

Directionally they make sense

The magnitude of some of them are a colossal meme

[hard cliff]

it's a support gem you can give it to minions that hit

[karmic gust]

except they also nerfed lifestacking

lol

[hexed mountain]

i kinda like the idea of doing a + new node cyclone leaguestarter. just from one staff wheel you're at 67% attack block that's super easy versatile combattant and you're getting all the leaguestart damage you would need

[tranquil sedge]

yep....

[karmic gust]

bboth deserved anyway

[final owl]

hasn't it always been the case that when GGG does nerfs there is one or more skills or things that catch hard nerfs that are so out of left field you have to imagine the devs stumbled on some grossly broken combo that involved them?

[cobalt blade]

wouldnt you just be better going slayer

higher comfort albiet marginally worse damage to start

[tawdry olive]

Aight im gonna heap instead of stack!

[split maple]

Boneshatter login

[karmic gust]

i think playing melee guardian is just bad idea in general

just do coc

and thats what the node is for

[tranquil sedge]

sure but it doesn't justify the behaviour

[hard cliff]

sum good

[cobalt blade]

the elementalist nerfs were hilarious got triple or quadruple tapped

[split maple]

Accustacker claws staying is Just hilarious

[tranquil sedge]

for one i dont believe they're capable of finding broken interactions unless the players point them out to them lol

[final owl]

oh sure no argument there. As i've said many times before, it'd be nice if they explained the justification(s) when they did this sort of thing. though i can see that being dangerous i guess

[tawdry olive]

I mean tbf….

[onyx adder]

I dont really know how people are intending to keep up the guardian node buffs without work

[cobalt blade]

it got a 70-80% damage nerf from shapers touch nerf ontop of claws

[karmic gust]

well it was neerfed

[split maple]

Also chief and cws 😄

[hexed mountain]

i think elem is just fine you just dont golem effect stack and invest in other ressources

[tight plinth]

is there a limit to how many hallowing flame you can inflict?

[cobalt blade]

yeah though i think CWS is still fine just a bit weaker early defensively/offensively

[hexed mountain]

herald node still goated

[final owl]

oh shapers touch got the nerf bat too hey.

[onyx adder]

I like the elementalist nerfs theyre reasonable

[hard cliff]

it's still very strong

[karmic gust]

remove 50% every league

[tranquil sedge]

the accuracy nerf on shapers is probably one of the best ways to affect that specifically imo i dont hate that one

[karmic gust]

next league the node will have -50% golem effect

[onyx adder]

Elementalist just has to lategsme scale like everyone else now instead of piling into golem effect clusters

[hexed mountain]

yeah you probably just take a different large cluster

[cobalt blade]

i could see it

[karmic gust]

as even the nerfed ele is still like best caster ascendancy anyway

[cobalt blade]

the main thing is it heavily nerfs the high end of megalomaniac stacking

[onyx adder]

Its the best for dot caster agree

[hexed mountain]

yeah but then you just stack herald clusters

[gritty garnet]

nah slowly round down golem limit

[hexed mountain]

probably even voices herald

[gritty garnet]

until you need a full party of 6 to share 1 golem

[final owl]

hmm hmm hmm. interested to see what builds i see floating around over the next week I guess

[cobalt blade]

i think its inquis personally with that much less effect

[hard cliff]

yeah so true

[cobalt blade]

maybe early on its ele though

[hexed mountain]

really curious about scav

[native token]

nah we kbing

[tranquil sedge]

anyone know the math one ores value per hour? if you have full t5 farmers and smelters and not limited by ore input, how much value can you generate per hour?

[hexed mountain]

i mean antiquarian :^)

[hard cliff]

is cold spark still good?

[final owl]

whats the deal with ore anyway, i saw someone say they're suddenly relevant now?

[hexed mountain]

smelters are absolute dogshit

[tranquil sedge]

also increasing mapper gold per hour by 25% is a wild fucking choice.

[cobalt blade]

ore and crops swapped

[final owl]

outside of bismuth or whatever

[native token]

tey swapped ore and crops

[tranquil sedge]

which is why they said those will be buffed but my original question remains

also smelters 5x the value per ore so iiwii

[hexed mountain]

you need to run the ore is gained as bar scarab instead its just not playable with smelters

[karmic gust]

still? last time people played cold spark was on aurastackers

[final owl]

oh. wild. ok. so you gotta find your shipment value in maps not just set and forget. interesting

[cobalt blade]

i think refinement might be mandatory if you wanna run kingsmarch they are suuuper slow

[karmic gust]

and nebulis was only reason for that

so no

[hexed mountain]

i farmed ores but in phrecia with full small 15% inc ores

[native token]

thats fine

[hexed mountain]

we were able to send 4M ore boats 3 times per 2 hours easily

to farm tatoos

[tranquil sedge]

what was the strategy?

[hard cliff]

so cold shock Elementalist hoi spark is a bad idea?

[cobalt blade]

i miss my tota cold sparker

that was such a fun aurastack setup

[hard cliff]

what if I did occultist

[karmic gust]

i don rly like inquis without the attri stack stuff, it barely gives you anything

[hard cliff]

[hexed mountain]

we just stacked 1x1 15% inc ore idols and rushed ores with + settler events and ore drops as bar , nothing fancy

[tranquil sedge]

mappers are just going to feel even more mandatory to run now than before if you have gold lol

especially since most people wont be able to stack up as much ore as they used to crops xd

[tranquil sedge]

idols?

[cobalt blade]

i feel like your underestimating how powerful ignore res is

[hexed mountain]

i said i farmed it in phrecia

[cobalt blade]

and crit investment being free into frostmage mana scaling from int

[tranquil sedge]

mb
any idea about base game?

[native token]

well you get a shit ton of currency as reward. i think its fine

[hard cliff]

What happens if occult pop and herald of ice pop trigger on the same enemy?

Does it negate the ice shatter?

[karmic gust]

well on league starter its pretty much useless

[split maple]

It's rly shit in base game, even if you do that azurite to ores transform (tho handily refinemenent scarb works on that)

[tranquil sedge]

you do understand that they didnt actually change mappers? its the same as before? just with a higher gold cost?

which is literally the opposite of what every single player was asking for

[tight plinth]

how much ores/bars were you getting per map?

[hexed mountain]

no idea , settlers scarab got boosted to +3 per but there's no device craft so its a net +0 i guess

[tranquil sedge]

i c

[hexed mountain]

about 4000 per ore event

[cobalt blade]

hard disagree since i consider the first 2 stones part of that league start journey but idk if you do

[tight plinth]

oh you can have multiple?

[tranquil sedge]

esm you gonna be tradie league or ssf from the start?

[hexed mountain]

yeah you can stack settlers

think it was average 7-8

[split maple]

Gonna ssf

[native token]

yes i know but it shoudnt be as free as before tbh.

[karmic gust]

well for bosses you get better effect from ele exposure

[split maple]

Srev you playing?

[tight plinth]

thats ore or bars?

[karmic gust]

what i mean is taht ignore res is only useful for mapping

[tawdry olive]

No harbies kinda brutal

[tranquil sedge]

it wasn't free
mappers were always the single highest gold upkeep per hour in kingsmarch before already by like a factor of 3 or soething

[hexed mountain]

bars since we ran the scarab for it

[tranquil sedge]

you might be able to convince me to yep

[karmic gust]

and during atlas progression thats basically not rly an issue

[tight plinth]

dang son

[tranquil sedge]

and if i do i wouldn't necessarily be against gsf either 😄

[karmic gust]

and you dont have good enough crit for it anyway

[final owl]

mappers are the most profitable aspect of KM aren't they. I assume the idea is they want you to make "meaningful choices" about what things you run rather than it just being "obviously i just run it all"

[cobalt blade]

which takes passive point investment for extra curse into not running assassins or sniper mark - woke lightning pen doesnt exist now so idk if we get exposure faster early or not

[split maple]

If fracs are like half as common as divs it's gonna be alrite, if they sacred rarity pain

[hexed mountain]

with an optimal setup in phrecia could probably hit 10-15M ore value per hour

[tight plinth]

too bad the one of the ores make me lag hard

[fierce pebble]

is exsanguinate mines trickster dead?

[tawdry olive]

Annuls will also be painge

[hexed mountain]

refraction nerf is not the end of the world i think its perfectly fine

[split maple]

More pissy about fossils myself

[tranquil sedge]

ill be honest im not the player who's going to be negatively impacted by the mapper changes
25% more gold cost is not a big deal for me, at most that's gonna be like an extra 300-400k gold/day to upkeep, not an issue

but it just feels backhanded to the average player

[fierce pebble]

ok, was thinking the same, just less clear = more casts, but should be fine

[tawdry olive]

Oh right it wasn’t even in the notes iirc

[cobalt blade]

and i dont think this is hard to do in softcore trade early you just grab these and get out of them once you have 500-600 str/int https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Kalisa's_Grace

[nocturne maple]

You would just do whatever exsang mines did before the runegraft existed

Prob just chain support

[tranquil sedge]

wot happened to fossils?

[split maple]

Delve only now

[cobalt blade]

like 1-2c gloves your getting free as fuck crit cap

[fierce pebble]

i see, thanks.

[tranquil sedge]

wait where was that

[hexed mountain]

oh i just noticed but mines will do amazing with imbued. Charged mines is litteraly the same damage boost level 1 and 20

[tranquil sedge]

im gonna go re-read

[split maple]

Not in patchies, in stream

[tight plinth]

whats the average div value of a 50m shipment?

[tranquil sedge]

oo

[tight plinth]

like 60?

[tranquil sedge]

2.5 shards + handful (5-15) divs + a few sacred orbs

[tight plinth]

thats cheeks

nvm

[tranquil sedge]

well its goal is only to farm shards lol

the divs are anecdotal

[karmic gust]

i mean spending 400 mana/s is not very free :d

[tranquil sedge]

if you want divs you do low value shipments

its also ass div/hr doing shard shipments anyway

[karmic gust]

also if you are inquis dont you want to go eb/mom asap ideally

so you cant even rly use it

[tranquil sedge]

you barely made like 0.5 div/hr doing 50 mil shipments in pre-3.28, if you were really lucky on tattoos maybe you hit 1 div/hr

now...who knows, depends on how long it takes to farm ore value

old math was on ~7-8 day shipments for 25m crops

[cobalt blade]

idt ive ever done that on an inquis start

[final owl]

I think what type of player they are targetting with changes gets lost in the noise a lot. or thats how it seems. I'm sure it makes sense to them on some level. doesn't mean it makes sense overall

[split maple]

for best div/h prolly 4m ships just to bank fully on tats 😛

since above 4m tats hit cap

[tranquil sedge]

yea honestly just send low value shipments now and call it a day

[hexed mountain]

PCoC builds also getting full damage value from level 1 PCoC imbued

[tranquil sedge]

bye mirror shard supply from kingsmarch

hello more pricey mirrors

[split maple]

crops you can send one ships per day of 3-4mil

so 40 tats a day

on the idle

[livid quarry]

if i were to cyclone and always crit what minions could help me

[native token]

@split maple you go ssf or trade

[wintry lily]

good

[cobalt blade]

but dont think its too hard to do this cos cast speed scaling idk but this is still my main point
#1┃general message

[split maple]

maybe gsf 😛

[cobalt blade]

the lack of woke lightning pen makes exposure more annoying to get imo since you need to roll it with the ichors and i fucking struggle to hit that early

[native token]

shame

[cobalt blade]

or embers whichever side it is

[wintry lily]

Oh you'll hit exposure alright, just not the one you want.

[cobalt blade]

pog cold exposure

always cold

[split maple]

so kboc looks basically samey just with pain of having to roll on it lvl1 fork with that new currency thingie + lightres stack not being obvious go to lategame

[wintry lily]

me after 40 cold exposures :

[tranquil sedge]

wonder how the supply of astrolabes will be
and how it'll affect price of harvest beasts like vultures and morrigans lol from ppl who ran kirac for those

[tawdry olive]

Prolonged exposure to cold may lead to hypothermia or frostbite…

[livid quarry]

u guys think minions viable for late game now that t17 gone and minions dont die

[cobalt blade]

deathbeam abusing perms to react that we havent gotten back smh my head D:

[karmic gust]

yea i guess exposure can be annoying, but can always just use wave too

[zenith citrus]

Deathbeam

[cobalt blade]

eh fuck wave

[karmic gust]

you just wont have it in maps but the base mobs have no resists anwyay

so you shouldnt even care

[zenith citrus]

How bad is new lioneyes glare on scourge arrow

[tranquil sedge]

nightmare maps replacing t17 - is it just a effectively a much harder but only slightly more rewarding t16 map now instead?

[karmic gust]

idk why would you use it on SA

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/IVll4gyNVTCl

chat is this bait

[karmic gust]

its good bow tho

now

[cobalt blade]

tbf altar mobs get alot of res but true outside of those

and archnem modifier res on rares

[split maple]

if i didnt misheard isnt it mostly just bossfight for ufrags now with not much of a map

like they dont want folks to farm stuff in them

[karmic gust]

yea but for rares you can wave so thats fine :d

[cobalt blade]

ya i dont like using wave fair enough if you do tho

[tranquil sedge]

i get that
but its still a 'map' right, just bumped down to area level 83 (t16) and with the t16.5/17-exclusive mods?

[celest skiff]

They've buffed lioneyes so many times will people finally want to use it

[wintry lily]

I'll just suffer no exposure over using wave

[wintry lily]

hah, no

[gritty garnet]

shame they're only buffing the bow and not the other lioneye items

cough fake 50 movespeed foulborn boots

[zenith citrus]

Don't you get the repeated snipe

[karmic gust]

you cant repeat channels i dont think

[onyx adder]

I dont understand the distinction ur making

[cobalt blade]

only echoing shrine repeats channels

nothing else

[onyx adder]

Ur understanding is correct

[cobalt blade]

and it only repeats it at the start of the channel its real cursed

[hexed mountain]

its really a shame its for self cast , fatal flourish on lioneye's glare would have gone HARD with mines

[zenith citrus]

Oh I'm sorry for that

[tranquil sedge]

kk

[zenith citrus]

Man so much things you don't know

[karmic gust]

well thats probably the reason why they made it sel cast only :d

if you can find enough flat elsewhere its pretty fat stat stick bow now tho

[cobalt blade]

replica alberons bow

might be legit

[shy creek]

when is the league release?

[cobalt blade]

6th of march

[tranquil sedge]

looks fun but doesn't look terribly tanky and the pob is configured for maximum hits on spark, which is a dream scenario in anything but an enclosed room

your real dps is will be lower than what it says in that pob

[shy creek]

ty

[wintry lily]

Im still begging ggg to remove heccblast cd and make it unusable on mines

[tight plinth]

is there anyway of removing the bismuth lag? 😭

[zenith citrus]

At that point isn't quill rain better

[karmic gust]

dragonfang over fury valve smh

[tranquil sedge]

bismuth ore unironically makes me lag less l0l

[karmic gust]

lioneyes still has also far shot no

[tranquil sedge]

performance goes up when i click it

[karmic gust]

and hcbe

[zenith citrus]

Also attacks repeating isn't that good right since you still have to attack

[tranquil sedge]

should have it still ye

[karmic gust]

so not rly no

[cobalt blade]

yeah they didnt say they removed far shot

[tight plinth]

my fps gets slashed to a 1/3 when i take bismuth 😭

[onyx adder]

Performance also goes up when i click bismuth

[plain zealot]

11.6% dps nerf to my rage vortex build because of overexert nerf 🥹

[cobalt blade]

also still has hits cant be evaded

[onyx adder]

Because i die and alt f4

[split maple]

Juice map enough so dynamic culling removes most of it

[onyx adder]

And then my fps goes up

[tranquil sedge]

current lioneye's is a 608 pdps bow at 20 qual and max roll on phys/aps

it's gonna be much stronger post changes lol

[zenith citrus]

Isn't fps going up a good thing

[tranquil sedge]

(yes)

[tight plinth]

yesnt

[karmic gust]

fps stackers smh my head

[zenith citrus]

Feet per second

[tight plinth]

shaking my smh

[surreal musk]

extremely pob padded with spectres , 65 shock , max spark hits, 40 chill , sigil of power ticked etc

[zenith citrus]

: 😋

[cobalt blade]

the more i think about this for new lion eyes the more legit it feels

[hexed mountain]

the humble 5% base crit

[celest skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/gigadzaki-gif-5638168237216116032

[onyx adder]

Everything else got nerfed, gotta stack performance

[tight plinth]

it is legit

[tranquil sedge]

65 shock and 40 chill shouldn't be padding on an elementalist tho

okay maybe the chill could be but the shock at least is definitely not padding

[celest skiff]

give embeds back

[cobalt blade]

although i dont like bow builds so wont actually do it

[onyx adder]

Spectres on ele is giga padded tho

[wintry lily]

performance nerf on the way

[surreal musk]

65 shock 40 chill with a 500k average hit is very pad

[onyx adder]

U cant even keep PERFECT GUARDIAN TURTLE alive

[hard cliff]

thank you

not good to be cheating like that

[cobalt blade]

its not bad if they have ailment effect

remember minimum ailments scale wit hthat

[tranquil sedge]

shock is not padded

^

[short prairie]

Where’s the promised 100% shock effectiveness

[hard cliff]

noted 👌🏻🐅👌🏻😇🐅

[hexed mountain]

if you click anything in config you're padding

[onyx adder]

I wonder if the new oos makes LC less peasant to play

[short prairie]

No

[hard cliff]

I dunt understand why he takes the ele fire node

[wintry lily]

shock : yes
chill : yes
rage : yes

[cobalt blade]

which node

[hexed mountain]

soul eater : 45

config custom mode : 200% more damage

[hard cliff]

all damage ignited plus conversion

[cobalt blade]

phys mit

[onyx adder]

I do like LC but every time i press two buttons im reminded that im at a stage in the league where im too poor to press 1 button and it makes me feel bad

[cobalt blade]

its enemies convert damage so its similar but different to 40% pta

[onyx adder]

So maybe a moving OOS lets me press only 1.5 button

[zenith citrus]

Tf does this do Soul Taker Unique Axe now has Eat 2-4 Souls when you Kill a Rare or Unique Enemy with this Weapon. Existing versions of this item are unaffected by this change.

Wtf is eating souls

[cobalt blade]

soul eater

[tight plinth]

soul eater

[onyx adder]

Cmon kai

[tight plinth]

makes you go brrrrrrrrrrrrr

[zenith citrus]

Ah

[visual stream]

everything nerf minions buff

ah yes just the same old stuff

[cobalt blade]

spectres seem broken as fuck with the level buff

[onyx adder]

Storm burst might not be aids to play now

[wintry lily]

wdyfm, storm brand buff

totem buff

[onyx adder]

I love that skill but man its aids

[visual stream]

storm brand palestron said nerf

[cobalt blade]

its like a 40~% buff kinda okay

palsteron is high

[wintry lily]

midsetron

[onyx adder]

No thats storm brand

And its less than that

[cobalt blade]

oh burst not brand

[onyx adder]

Shax pointed out that they realigned the DE

[cobalt blade]

burst i have no idea that skill is weird

[hard cliff]

I guess since you're hitting everything for three miles it's value

[cobalt blade]

yep

[tight plinth]

what did fubgun have to say?

[onyx adder]

So the base damage to DE ratio is 550 now like every other skill, down from like 630 or something

[visual stream]

i dont watch exploid ppl

[wintry lily]

ground loot badge, buff plz or someshit

[onyx adder]

ie the DE got buffed by 44% but the base damage only by like 25%

So unless ur getting a lot of added flat its not that good

[hard cliff]

it's super cozy on totems

[cobalt blade]

what skill are you talking about right now

[visual stream]

well lest hope those holy skills feel good to play

[onyx adder]

Storm brand

[visual stream]

cause i dont see anything much different

[onyx adder]

Storm burst didnt get numbers it just got qol

[hexed mountain]

we really need the data on hallowed flame

[visual stream]

the transfigue Oos seem quite nice for LC but that about it imo

[hexed mountain]

[cobalt blade]

it did get numbers it lost 22% vs branded enemies but gained 60~% on the base damage and presumably now has better level scaling

maybe closer to 30% damage buff over 40 but yeah

also it gained damage effectiveness

30>55%

[hard cliff]

tested awhile back

[onyx adder]

Yea we did the numbers alrdy

Its what i said

44% DE

[hexed mountain]

lost 1 chain tho

[onyx adder]

27% base damage

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/CxddyGKeTak

might be finally relevant lol

[cobalt blade]

yea and your saying it only got qol

which it didnt

[onyx adder]

Storm BURST got qol

Storm BRAND got numbers

And NACA needs glasses

[tight plinth]

[cobalt blade]

guh fuckin reading comphrehension i should wear my glasses

[onyx adder]

See its easy

[cobalt blade]

i have glasses

[karmic gust]

can we get this qol also for SA for 0 stage smh

[cobalt blade]

just dont wear them with headphones

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hissing-glasses-laptop-gif-25165680

[tight plinth]

i feel you brother 😭

[visual stream]

isnt base storm bran quite bad and the Storm Brand of Indecision is which acttualy good ?

[cobalt blade]

not brother guh

[hexed mountain]

yes

[karmic gust]

no both are garbage

pretty much

[cobalt blade]

reg storm brand should be better than indecision now

[hexed mountain]

i mean indecision is like C tier

[tight plinth]

everyone is a brother on the internet

[hexed mountain]

normal is like F

[cobalt blade]

i think its fine with clusters and a multi link hat

[hexed mountain]

everything is fine with clusters and a 9L archdemon

[onyx adder]

I also want this

[cobalt blade]

makes me uncomfortable since trans :p

[hexed mountain]

i'm ready for trans siphoning trap to be better than every brand

[visual stream]

the transe ver quite nice in afflictions league but ggg nerft it to the ground next league

[onyx adder]

Because if SA gets a zero stage shot I can borrow your ToS-breaking automated button mash script

Which u wont write for storm burst

[cobalt blade]

[tight plinth]

why is holy strike not able to use swords mang

[cobalt blade]

that would be funny as fuck

[visual stream]

tho the golem buff effect complete remove on elementalist is quite a big jump imo 25-35% is nice tho

[visual stream]

minions but u have to manual attack yeah no thanks

[tight plinth]

so like hroc?

[visual stream]

hroc auto attack

holy strike attack when u attack iircc

[tight plinth]

so like hroc

[visual stream]

hrco setinel auto run attack the holy strike minions stick with u and its only attack when u attack

[hard cliff]

you GET to manually attack

[visual stream]

so no

[visual stream]

go play melee build

[hard cliff]

it's melee build with buddies

[tight plinth]

what?

[tranquil sedge]

does templar look like a dainty lil boy who pokes with a pokey stick? no he's a cheeked up man of god that swings the hammer of the gods

you will use blunt weaponry and you will like it, exile

[hard cliff]

true lol

[tight plinth]

true

[visual stream]

hroc can run around the holy strike cant

[karmic gust]

ok so best build next league holy hammer with new belt and 5 writhing jars and 3 rings for sure

[tight plinth]

again... what?

[cobalt blade]

yooo true writhing jar is instant

[simple stag]

What other league mechanics are yall thinking of running im thinking............................. strongboxes

[tight plinth]

ores

im sending shipments 4x a day

[proud gorge]

I kinda want to try omega-empowered Breach Fortress

[visual stream]

hadnt see full breach nodes yet tho

[karmic gust]

how brave!

[proud gorge]

but I'll need a very strong build for that

[fossil mural]

With conc effect? 🥹

How dead is mamba?

[stone knot]

Does anyone know what MTX they were using during the livestream today? Some of that was awesome

[karmic gust]

nah just stack aoe and kill everything ez

[visual stream]

complete dead

[karmic gust]

mamba is super dead

[visual stream]

no save

[hexed mountain]

play normal viper strike its better now

[karmic gust]

well they might save it in patch notes but none of those nerfs are really warranted imo

[proud gorge]

people are going "oh it's just breach fortress, any decently wide reaching build should do it", but like, they're forgetting that not only is that massively empowering all the monsters for all remaining waves, you also don't get any healing or shielding for Ailith, so you have to fully offscreen those shooty guys

[karmic gust]

outside of nerf for hit mamba

[proud gorge]

which is doable

but like

a bit more than just "any clear build"

it needs to be able to hit two screens away

[fossil mural]

Ggg classic. Dangle a shiny new toy (binos), only to fucking destroy any use case for it

[steel light]

i bought this for mamba standard, what end game build could use this?

[visual stream]

i would rather they remove those hive and buff the other breach one

[fossil mural]

I am surprised es leech didnt get killed

[karmic gust]

they even removed prolif from foulborn embalmer

which is like lol

why

[hard cliff]

spark

[proud gorge]

I mean, you can do that also yes

[onyx adder]

Binos isnt even that interesting with mamba its a zdps weapon

[visual stream]

es scale getting hareder now so its fine igs ?

[onyx adder]

I only want to use that weapon if im getting flat from somewhere else or if im using it on a spell for clear

[fossil mural]

You dont care, you spread poisons from shit mobs to rares for dot cap on 1div budget

3m is a lot

[proud gorge]

as much as people were dooming about "oh how dare they make Keepers core everyone hated that", like, you very much can still do all Unstable Breaches with the atlas tree

[karmic gust]

well binos inherently is not 1 div budget

[tranquil sedge]

binos would been for the assassin mamba players?

-# if any were left right?

[karmic gust]

because its t0 unique remember

[proud gorge]

and all unstable breaches is, if anything, better than old breach

[visual stream]

yes this i agree

[tranquil sedge]

binos is usually in the low single digit divs isn't it

[karmic gust]

even when the wep is at dust value it costs 3.5 divs :d

[fossil mural]

Well in keepers it was 30-50c first day or two

So

Maybe would have been different

[proud gorge]

so if you liked old breach, just do Unstable Breach farming

it's gonna be pretty good

[karmic gust]

ofc it would be different when theres a use for he wep it will spike hard

[onyx adder]

Sure, i mean its redundant on pf

[fossil mural]

Not redundant, pf prolif is much worse for killing rares

[candid moon]

Wait I got a bit confused it seems, why are they renaming woke gems to greater except for a few again?

[steel light]

binos is 4d now in keepers

[fossil mural]

And you wont have a much better dagger super early

[steel light]

dance is around 6 or 7 divs

[karmic gust]

i mean rares get one shot regardlesswith mamba and pf prolif

[opaque wing]

Because they're changing them all. If they don't have a "transformative" effect, they will now, or be legacy instead

[karmic gust]

i think even on assa you would rather use old foulborn embalmer

and binos you would use for spells

[onyx adder]

U wont have binos super early either lul

[karmic gust]

mostly

[fossil mural]

Regen

[proud gorge]

okay so the gist of things is that "Exceptional Gems" are just a name for a class of gems that are drop-only from the endgame. They can include any effect, because they're just a new set of support gems, but since the old Awakened gems are being folded into that system, a lot of them are ending up as "Greater X Support"

[fossil mural]

Depends on how it would have spiked day 1-2 compared to normal. We will never know now

[karmic gust]

bb of dagger detonation binos

[fossil mural]

[karmic gust]

or wahtever is that skill

[onyx adder]

I mean im pretty sure u will know on day 2 lul

[fossil mural]

Its uselss now

[proud gorge]

just because that's the appropriate naming scheme for a gem that's just a stronger version of a lower tier gem, maybe with some tradeoffs, at a higher starting level

[onyx adder]

Huh

[fossil mural]

It will onlt sell for dust

[proud gorge]

and also because they added some rules for "Greater" gems

[candid moon]

So wait, the new woke gems wont count as exceptional anymore or? Because Greater affix already existed prior

[proud gorge]

to say that you can't equip a regular and Greater gem at the same time

[proud gorge]

the Greater affix has nothing inherently to do with Exceptional gems

[onyx adder]

I dont know why u have latched to mamba as the only build that wants three metre prolif lul

[proud gorge]

it just happens that a large portion of the new exceptional gems are Greater gems due to them inheriting from the Awakened gem system

but yes, the old Greater gems also exist and are unchanged

well, the change is that now you can't equip GMP and LMP at the same time

[candid moon]

That just makes more confusion, no? xd

[proud gorge]

and also LMP is just called Multiple Projectiles Support now

[tranquil sedge]

was anyone really doing that before?

[tight plinth]

the flask skills used to do it for leveling

[proud gorge]

sort of, specifically for skills that didn't care at all about the damage penalty

[visual stream]

CWS getting heavy hit also imo

[proud gorge]

like Forged Frostbringers

[proud gorge]

only if you're used to the Awakened gem system

if you're not, it's pretty straightforward

[candid moon]

Ig

[proud gorge]

Exceptional gems are just new support gems that you unlock at endgame

[fossil mural]

Everything else sucks

[proud gorge]

they happen to include some Greater support gems, but also a lot of non-Greater support gems with powerful effects

[tranquil sedge]

does this mean a bit less profit from maven now 😮

or will she just get her own exclusive ones ig?

[fossil mural]

Surely she will still drop them

[karmic gust]

gotta love updating my system after a month, 10mb update

[tranquil sedge]

to replace woke exceptionals etc.

[tranquil sedge]

wat os

[fossil mural]

They also nerfed her chisels and you need less of them

[tranquil sedge]

linux?

[karmic gust]

yea

[tranquil sedge]

yea but most ppl were getting chisels not from maven herself im not stresed bout those

[candid moon]

I was like oh great, cheaper woke cascade effect and then went through the patch notes and saw that woke gems removed

[fossil mural]

Still maven adjacent, especially if you do boss rush into your own splinters

[tranquil sedge]

basically just renamed and reworked em then changed where they drop
but they still exist as a tier above normal supports

[visual stream]

no more t16 full quan not a single chaos drop i belive

[fossil mural]

Altho maybe more people will use them

[proud gorge]

well, only the ones with transformative effects

that did something other than just "the support but higher numbers"

[stone tundra]

Freezing Pulse now viable?

[tranquil sedge]

honestly that sounds fine

[tight plinth]

did we get a new chaos orb sink?

[tranquil sedge]

if you want to you can 😄

[steel light]

beast that gives 5 kirac missions

[fossil mural]

They are now lineage gems, and you cant have more than one of those super gems per link

[spiral venture]

Why are the patchnotes so fucking bad

[tranquil sedge]

freezing pulse totems were definitely already viable before at least
dunno bout self-cast personally

[stone tundra]

Best starter 3.28?

[fossil mural]

Kf

[visual stream]

rf

[spiral venture]

Sleep

[candid moon]

Oh wait, one greater gem per armor piece?

[visual stream]

:))

[spiral venture]

Best start tbf

[wintry lily]

as far as patch notes go, I wouldn't call this one that bad

[tranquil sedge]

maybe kf or boneshatter/sunder>bonshatter from what i am hearing other ppl say

[wintry lily]

its mid tho.

[tight plinth]

boneshatter necro

[visual stream]

bleed boneshatter

[karmic gust]

wasnt that for the uh supports on normal gems

[fossil mural]

Yes, the poe2 limit

[spiral venture]

They're horrible