1┃general

[candid moon]

As long as it's not "oh shit, GGG shadow nerfed overlaps again"

[onyx adder]

Na that can happen to any skill

[hexed mountain]

isnt the chaos damage craft on the same family as the hunter chaos dot prefix tho

[onyx adder]

Whats specific to ID is all ur damage is coming from an item that will have its access changed

[hexed mountain]

wont change much for the build but i'm not sure you can get both

[candid moon]

The fact that DB is cooking ID makes me want to play this league lol

[hexed mountain]

just get a level 35 shako

[karmic gust]

if it is then doesnt matter much i guess

its like no damage gain with 1k inc from elsewhere lul

[hexed mountain]

yeah its just 100% inc total can craft smth else

[karmic gust]

also yea looks like same family

idk what else to craft ngl

[hexed mountain]

quality or level of support gems i guess

doesnt seem much else that does something

[karmic gust]

or just cast speed suffix and fuck prefixes :d

[karmic gust]

all my other cooks failed unfortunately

[hexed mountain]

prefixes are kinda shit

prefixes*

[karmic gust]

cant find good sources of flat for anything

[karmic gust]

yea

need heist -pref + suf weapons ggg pls

[short prairie]

[candid moon]

Not like it's going to be an issue to afford deodres early for me anw

[short prairie]

PB lowers your max hit

[wintry lily]

inb4 20div week 1 foulborn doedre

[tranquil sedge]

wat

petrified blood increases max hit overall

assuming you push above half life ofc*

[hexed mountain]

synthesis daggers for faster ailment and veiled orb for inc chaos pref

[candid moon]

Last league I made my mirror in the first week

[karmic gust]

that kinda makes it giga hard to go for the double dot multi on top

[candid moon]

But wasnt really interested in any builds so quit

[karmic gust]

but yea i could do that and do it on wand probably too

as wands do not roll inc chaos damage prefix

for whatever reason

the hunter one

[hexed mountain]

yeah

would need to do suffixes then lock veiled

[tranquil sedge]

how does that build play out tho like whats the playstyle

wintry frostblink for clear and u just press temporal chains on single target?

[short prairie]

I’m lazy, I don’t spam life flasks

[karmic gust]

you clear with impending temp chains as well

wintry is just for mobility

[tranquil sedge]

if u play pf it is assumed you have one of your flasks as life flask

[karmic gust]

its like 1 press every 7 seconds smh

[tranquil sedge]

^ ppl exaggerate the master surgeon apm way too much

[karmic gust]

i was pressing life flask every 7 seconds even on assassin this league :d

[wintry lily]

what flask addiction does to a man

[karmic gust]

a bit too used to it lol

[tranquil sedge]

you won't even know you're pressing it after like 2 minutes of actually playing the build lol

[wintry lily]

I would know because my finger will start hating me

[tranquil sedge]

like if u aren't doing it subconciously with muscle memory and zero active thinking idk what to tell you

[tranquil sedge]

rebind to a mouse button, or palm it with spacebar, or whatever
but its an afk action not an active thinking one

[wintry lily]

I already have

My fingers just dont appreciate pressing stuff on repeat anymore

I would be lying if I said I wasnt tempted to buy those pedals for racing sims just so i can press 2 buttons on it

[short prairie]

that’s one more button to press

[tranquil sedge]

i was thinking if i should say pedals exist too lole

[wintry lily]

if my situation gets worse i just might tbh

poe on controller is just not it

tried my best, just doesn't feel like its good enough

[tranquil sedge]

the point was its subconcious xd
a button u barely realize you're doing is not rly a button at all

except ofc if u got finger/wrist issue or smth ig

[tranquil sedge]

if they ever implement seamless controller to kb+m hotswap im becoming a controller gamer i think

[hexed mountain]

there's two types of PoE players

those who have finger issues from giga spamming

[tranquil sedge]

i wanna do controller for mapping and kb+m for everything else

[hexed mountain]

and those who will

[short prairie]

If you play too much your finger starts hurtin

[wintry lily]

Idk, the binding for certain controls just kinda suck

as a whole poe it's fine if im playing something like cyclone slayer

[tranquil sedge]

when are we gonna get off-the-shelf cheap bionic body part replacements 🙁

[wintry lily]

since the only buttons i'd need are just cyclone and leap slams

[short prairie]

I only hold right mouse button on flicker that one finger I use for the button hurts

[brazen vector]

2077

[short prairie]

[short prairie]

[tranquil sedge]

start using ur keyboard smh press space with ur palm

save ur finger

[short prairie]

I bonk you

[tranquil sedge]

or at least side button with thumb as a break

[surreal musk]

if only autohotkey could do something like press the associated hotkey with life flask when the duration bar runs out

[brazen vector]

What do we think of the campaign additions?

I doubt they'll be worth it

[short prairie]

You put your main skill on space bar

[tranquil sedge]

if you really wanted to you could do that
but it would be against tos

[wintry lily]

Do it if you feel like you wont get caught

[tranquil sedge]

writing a program to do that isn't the hard part
not getting banned immediately would be :P

[short prairie]

I put my bleedcb or poison immune flask on space bar

[wintry lily]

dont do it if you feel like you dont want to risk it

[brazen vector]

I have 7 keybinds for movement skills

[short prairie]

[wintry lily]

just bind everything to key + scrollwheel down/up

[short prairie]

So this is your skill set up?

[brazen vector]

Not so fast!

[hexed mountain]

alright , watched palsteron's video , i'm huffing the COPIUM

no more map tiers entire mapping reworked , damn there's no copium emote

surely

[livid quarry]

we are testing for poe2

[hexed mountain]

as long as the testing is good i'm fine with that

(if they pull out some poe2 map thing imma crash out)

[short prairie]

The current atlas system indeed needs some tweaks

[steel light]

citadel #2, 3 and 4

[short prairie]

I’m looking forward to the new approach

[hexed mountain]

an entire rework make it fresh

if its shit its shit but eh

better than stagnant same tree

[surreal musk]

dont expect much atlas changes orbs of unmaking werent gone so we still have atlas passive tree

[wintry lily]

All ggg needs to do for me is just give me better nodes on atlas tree

[split maple]

also chisels being gone from fausty makes me think fausty got separate map currency section, not that stuff is gone

[short prairie]

Horizon gone and harby orb gone so like new atlas tree might not be tier focused

[wintry lily]

chisels suck anyways

nothing of value was lost

[hexed mountain]

maybe the tier is no longer on the map itself

[surreal musk]

i hope they add atlas passive nodes that directly scale both the difficulty and rewards of my maps

[short prairie]

Interesting take

So we have towers and waystones now

[hexed mountain]

🙁 conq rotations losing chisels would be so bad currency wise tho

[split maple]

imagine infinitely expanding atlas

[short prairie]

[split maple]

and you chose tier by sloting in a stone

[hexed mountain]

maybe you just pick the tier on the map device

[short prairie]

So the new atlas is the universe

[hexed mountain]

you unlock them through the quest and completion or smth

[surreal musk]

maybe mobs drop atlas tree jewels which increase the area level of your maps

[short prairie]

🤯

Go straight to t16 after campaign lets go

[split maple]

i rly wouldnt expect big endgame changes tbh

[hexed mountain]

tbh i wouldnt be against all maps having no tier and the tier being chosen on map device , in 2026 its not like maps were a limiting factor we were filling tabs with 72 of each maps

[split maple]

2-3 new bosses, breach scarbies, some mechanic thats it

[hexed mountain]

they didnt make much change last league either

[surreal musk]

stop being realistic

[short prairie]

Have you seen the new ground loot vid

[split maple]

whose?

[hexed mountain]

they need to make a big league every now and then with big changes

[split maple]

there is like new ground loot vid every 5min

[short prairie]

Empy’s friend

[wintry lily]

the only credible source of ground loot for me

[surreal musk]

fubgroundloot

[short prairie]

It’s a long form vid, how ground loots are now dominated by atlas strats

Ziz reacted to it I believe

[whole bluff]

Empyreans youtube channel?

[hexed mountain]

nothing new yeah

[whole bluff]

Personally I get my ground loot from Faustus

[surreal musk]

just delete kingsmarch and im happy idc about 'ground loot' vs tile loot

[hexed mountain]

need a rework on rare loot , even in ssf i hide that crap past day 1

[short prairie]

Fub almost always start with legion if on ranger and boxes on other classes

[whole bluff]

Rare loot has bricked years ago yup

[remote sparrow]

These zoomers not ok woth pressing 1 flask every 8 seconds. BACK IN MY DAY you spamned 1-4 for your flasks every 3 seconds and you got carple tunnel syndrome like a man.

[prime hill]

deinflation league where

I want everyone to run with 25c

[surreal musk]

back in my day the entire playerbase used autoflask

[whole bluff]

I would say ground loot bricked around 2016-2019

[onyx adder]

I have no issues with flask spam personally

[prime hill]

ground loot bricked some time ago but we had crutches every league

[onyx adder]

Poe2 has given me finger problems due to WASD tho

[hexed mountain]

i play warden 💪 i press two tinctures every 15 seconds because GGG decided tinctures cannot have flask QoL of auto activation

[prime hill]

keepers just got to the point where every crutch we had was also nerfed

lol

even blight

xdd

[whole bluff]

When the correct play started being to ignore more rares the less OCD and more skilled you were, to just go faster instead

That's when imo the item system got power crept away

[split maple]

idk whats the solution but i sure hope i wont need to id rares in maps 😛

[remote sparrow]

Ground loot got worse after they introduced influenced rares making it so normal rares were obsolete, then that got abated with introduction of eater / exarc implicts. But still kinda bad as you you are mostly looking for 86+ bases to craft on

[split maple]

like item drops being delegated to checklist of is it overqual? is it fractured? is it top tier base of correct ilvl? or its hidden is allright to me, since i cannot imagine non-tedious alternative

[whole bluff]

Rares these days aren't loot anyway. They're clutter unless they're on a good base in which case at best they save an alch to harvest spam or at worst a 1 orb scour tax to alt spam, and either way the cost is irrelevant

[onyx adder]

All the good alternatives are big reworks

[split maple]

maybe remove item drops at all and have mobs drop auto-picked vouchers (gold) instead that you can spend on vendor (faustuss) for desired base types of correct ilvl

[onyx adder]

Like making items drop IDed

[remote sparrow]

See thats the thing they are trying to "fix" with poe2 woth no scouring orb it makes you have to ID a ton of rares as you can't really just craft on one base you need mass ID till you get somthing useful

[onyx adder]

Which would require a bottom up review of droprates

[split maple]

yea i rly hated that when i tried beginning of ea

was a big argument to run sekhemas instead

[onyx adder]

I like no scouring orbs as a point of difference tbh

We do it in poe1 with a lot of craftables that we dont wnat to make too easy to craft

Grafts and t17s spring to mind

If it means alt crafting dies in a corner wailing for its mommy then my day is infinitely better

Also while im on the soapbox

[split maple]

imagine if alts are removed - folks would be forced to negative iir farming jewels to mass transmute them for adorned

[tranquil sedge]

poe2 has alt crafting lol
its just called chaos crafting instead

[remote sparrow]

Yea no scourings adds some difference between games but I really dislike the feeling with how hard it is to actually craft in poe2. They added some crafting with abyss but until there is more crafting options for poe2 I dont think I can get that invested

[onyx adder]

If ggg is trying to rework endgame then can they please delete chisels

[whole bluff]

I think one thing PoE1 and PoE2 get wrong is the amount of bricks required for 1 hit

[onyx adder]

Fuckin chisels

[split maple]

can they at least make it 1 click per map instead of 4

[onyx adder]

Yea but its terrible in pretty much every circumstance so im ok with it

[remote sparrow]

Didn't it used to be 20 if map was rare?

So you had to make sure map was unID

[onyx adder]

If i felt like it was necessary to click 3000 chaos orbs on an item ever id be much more down on it

[remote sparrow]

Then alch

[whole bluff]

In PoE1 you can literally lose on 10k alts. That is 7 inventories. In PoE2 you can probably lose in 7 inventories of identified rare drops that you may or may not exalt

That is tedious by default

Obviously players will hate either?

[wintry lily]

But my cheap alcoholism distribution profit scheme

[grizzled lily]

is it time to stacked deck farm

how many hours until livestrim

[native abyss]

yes

love decks

[onyx adder]

Im still not picking up rain of chaos card

Nice try ggg

[grizzled lily]

now turning in cards will be easier ig

esp the 10000 alt cards

[remote sparrow]

Like one of the crafting methods I know in poe2 is just have a good rare fractured item and "scour it" with annulment orbs to one mod and just chaos spam item rolling one affix essentially replicating alteration spamming lol

[final owl]

I think it's just kinda sad layered rng seems to be the best arpgs have come up with for crafting systems

[wintry lily]

would you rather have tli's crafting instead then?

[final owl]

no idea, have hardly played it. Just feels like there has to be a way with less obvious downsides and more upsides

[onyx adder]

Well nobody's found that way yet

[remote sparrow]

Well thats issue like these games are put effort in and run in the treadmill until number goes up and dopamine but you obfuscate the treadmill with mechanics and rng ect if you dont include that in crafting it gets really boring fast

[whole bluff]

Ngl, the concept of bloat doesn't belong on the concept of bloodlines same powered as ascendancies, or fireball or even conversion trap. The 9900 rolls that were useful for no build when using 10k alts, that is actual bloat

[final owl]

if it's not obvious by implication, the crafting method still needs to have some kind of "difficulty" associated with it. I'm not pretending I'm some genius who has all the ideas. Just layering RNG feels kinda weak

[whole bluff]

Everything is relative

[final owl]

if the "difficulty" is "am i willing to sit here and spam 3000+ alts" I think you have failed essentially

[remote sparrow]

Like would you want a system where you say create a "perfect" item but need to kill x amount of mobs to have it created and more rare/ good the combination you pick the higher the mob kill count needed is?

[tranquil sedge]

there's almost always a way to avoid alt spamming in this game tho

like annuls + harvest reforging or fossils or essences or whatever

[wintry lily]

ess spam is just disguised alt orb spam

[remote sparrow]

See but the spam 3000 alts is the rarity of the affix or mod on item. Like you are after a rare mod shouldn't that be a difficult experience as if its not that devalues your achievement of obtaining said items

[tranquil sedge]

idm making crafting qol here or there but at some point if ppl dont like it to that extent the only options are really just don't do it or go play another game

[final owl]

I mean you don't really need to craft in the game at all. And many people don't

[tranquil sedge]

thats my point yes

its optional

[whole bluff]

But alts are still like, if you're willing and your wrists allow, it can be a decent option. Does that mean alts are bloat or the thousands of bricks alts give are bloat. Idk

[tranquil sedge]

but that is the important thing, that its an option

not the only way to do it

[remote sparrow]

That said there should be other ways to achieve good items other than just raw alt / ess / chaos spam. But the reason that they are so effective is the more times you roll on the rng wheel the more times you have at a chance of success

[whole bluff]

But it's literally encouraging RSI

[onyx adder]

I agree, ggg should make us do memory game every 5 alts

To break up the tedium

This will increase engagement and make players happier

[hoary scarab]

i still prefer fossils

[elfin spire]

most players can't afford to not craft, i'd argue

[whole bluff]

If alts only rolled t1 mods this would be an improvement lul

[tranquil sedge]

for the sake of discussion, if nothing else

what actual layer could you have beyond rng/tedium?
if there was no rng?

[remote sparrow]

Well also should be an option to get better odds like fossils harvest juice ect

[final owl]

and yet they still don't and just pay inflated trade prices. hideout warrior is a thing for this reason

[onyx adder]

If u fail the memory game or log it deletes ur item

Sorry, i dont make the rules

[wintry lily]

Tbf with the trade qol stuff, its a lot harder to just not be able to make currency

[tranquil sedge]

nah basic crafting is far more accessible than people think it is

[wintry lily]

even mediocre strats work just fine

[tranquil sedge]

but they just dont wanna learn or would rather not do it

[wintry lily]

like, no juice harvest rush lmao

[brazen vector]

But it plays the 509 minute recomb animation

[onyx adder]

I think ur agreeing with that dude

[tranquil sedge]

especially if they pay more for items directly off trade lol

[final owl]

genuinely, I have no idea. I didn't preface what I said having some idea I thought was genius to make it better. I know it's not an easy thing.

[remote sparrow]

I profit craft most of my money from whatever is the meta build / RF (thank you Pohx)

[tranquil sedge]

ah fuck i misread the double negative ur right lmao

[tranquil sedge]

im not calling you out on it, im just saying for discussion sake if u had any ideas 😛

[whole bluff]

Lul

[final owl]

sure I get that

[split maple]

fbl augs help a tad

[tranquil sedge]

like even in last epoch where i think we can agree its far more deterministic, even there there's rng in fp/lp/etc

[onyx adder]

I actually hate augs almost as much

[tranquil sedge]

i think the only real layer you could add if you removed rng is raw accessibility barriers lol

[onyx adder]

If alts just rolled two mods every time i could semi tune out and watch a podcast or something

[split maple]

like foulborn augs are the most underrated currency in game rn

[final owl]

I don't! if I did I would have already aired them I can assure you. Just on the face of it crafting = patient rng spam (I know this is reductionist) feels like it shouldn't be the best possible option

[split maple]

trivialize flasks, make jewels sane

[onyx adder]

Having to click around inventory and slow down makes me sad

[tranquil sedge]

limit the number of attempts you get to an really low limit or outright prevent you from doing certain things before <x> task

[onyx adder]

Like if its gonna be shit at least make it mindless and shit

[whole bluff]

Imo, foulbornness should just be baked into item lvl instead. If required give us alt juice that scales cost with item lvl, so someone can't just drop 5 alts in t3 maps and buy a 6L

[onyx adder]

I think thats the last epoch solution

[tranquil sedge]

did their currency qol on how alts/augs get used not improve the situation

like hold alt to use an aug or whatever it is?

[onyx adder]

Which ppl hated due to having to farm bases with specific mods

[onyx adder]

Oh is that new qol

[tranquil sedge]

they went so far in the other direction

[split maple]

i need a key for annul too

[onyx adder]

That is good

[tranquil sedge]

in 3.27 i think it got added

[onyx adder]

Ok i no longer hate augs

Augs can live

[tranquil sedge]

hahah

[onyx adder]

Chisels still need woodchipper

[remote sparrow]

Yea id argue you need any element of rng or clever ways to combine crafting mechanics to lower the effect of rng to make the items have weight.

A good example of this is the genesis tree I despise it as it essentially made all 6 links worthless and spat out nearly infinite insane crafts that nothing else could compete with. It had minimal RNG compared with old crafting methods and it effectively ruined a ton of mechanics last leauge

[onyx adder]

Well it only really ruined low mid crafting

Made rog really sad

[split maple]

insane crafts lol

it trivialized week1

didnt produce insane crafts after that

[whole bluff]

I probably actually think that maybe PoE1 item system is in theory strapping and fit, but he's 80 years old. Comparatively idk if LE has the same potential poe1 did, but the system isn't in as an unhealthy state

[split maple]

like its still hella op as overqual and fraced base generator

but no one compete with is just insane take

[toxic sinew]

when is next poe 1 league?

[tranquil sedge]

6 mar

[hexed mountain]

you missed it

3.29 waiting room

[wintry lily]

meanwhile in tli you'd burn 50 embers that cost 100s of fe and 100000s of fe in your crafting session for 1 affix for the perfect 6 t0 mods

[whole bluff]

How many chisels would a woodchuck axe

[final owl]

I mean TLI reads as way more gacha to me than PoE ever has

[wintry lily]

pretty much is

I dont mind it because sometimes I need something to do and tli plays fine on controller/mobile

its just more annoying since they just keep making more p2w shit

[final owl]

yeah it's something about how that sort of thing indicates proirities that kinda turn me off tbh

[wintry lily]

also, heck lot of ai use

[rapid star]

But its just the chest armor

[wintry lily]

their most recent change is just ai art everywhere

[brazen vector]

Chisel me timbers

[final owl]

could be a great game, but i'm immediately getting "we do not care about the game in any way other than it's ability to pull money out of peoples wallets and will sacrifice literally everything to service that goal"

[sterile depot]

My god I'm so hyped to play... poe itch is heavy this time.

[final owl]

I just want to hear about changes. big changes. sweeping changes. Wild, crazy, irresponsible changes.

[wintry lily]

big sweeping change : sweep radius +3%

[split maple]

wildwood map device option

[wintry lily]

why the sadge, sweep is bigger now, clearly its a big sweep change

[split maple]

idc the cost

[wintry lily]

[brazen vector]

3 mirrors

[wintry lily]

fub : 20 mirror per map profit

[brazen vector]

Also give us back the seer scarab

[split maple]

game needs a mirror sink

[remote sparrow]

Ok let me expand on "Insane gear". The tree made a ton of Good bases and early to mid game gear. Thing is it removed all incentive to id any rare gear it made any craft that was not going for endgame gear worthless as you likely could find better on from tree gear. The items were not "insane gear" but the effect on play and economy was insane because tbh 95% of ppl dont go beyond mid game gear. They dont optimize and get into later game crafting. It is insane gear for 95% of plebs who dont get that good gear. But for actual endgame items yea they are good fractured bases

[split maple]

morigan scarbie too pls

[split maple]

there never was any incentive to id rare gear

[wintry lily]

Imma stop you here, there never really was any incentive to id rare gear

I say this as a serial rare gear IDer

[tranquil sedge]

will point out that tree and async trade got added at the same time to some of what you're seeing in economy is async just making more shit available i reeckon

[split maple]

like tree fucked harbos and rog over

[tranquil sedge]

but yea we'll find out how bad tree is on economy in 3.28

[split maple]

it didnt fuck ground rares

[wintry lily]

There's genuinely no reason to other than you wanted extra scraps of currency

[split maple]

these were already fucked

[tranquil sedge]

based on nerfs to tree and buffs to other things

[wintry lily]

You "might" randomly get something usable

but thats it

[brazen vector]

Peddlers produce recipes

[wintry lily]

you have a better chance of winning a slots machine

than getting something that would sell for a div

And ive been iding for years

only stopped in the last 3 leagues that I played because my fingers do indeed hate me

[remote sparrow]

Fair enough about the IDing rares after first couple days its worthless but all lower lvl crafting is also worthless because of tree

[final owl]

I mean we ID rare gear during campaign right? 😛 .. sometimes.

[wintry lily]

I kinda dont lol

Im happier to find magic bases that I want than rares with some filled suffix mods I dont want

[remote sparrow]

Anyway I want tree removed or made much more rare to use and the gods dammed kings march removed I hate mobile game fomo in poe

[wintry lily]

Remove KM first before tree

at least tree you can hard nerf via how much wombs you get (that sounded wrong)

[final owl]

I mean, every sane person expects the tree to get nerfed to hell

we'll find out how sane GGG is soon

[whole bluff]

You mean in 3.27? Just so I don't misunderstand. Imo it was valid to ID rare gear when I started (2013-2014) and in act 1-3 still today

[final owl]

Either provisioning gets removed or obtaining the gifts is 20x rarer. Those are the two sane options

[wintry lily]

well, i did specifically mention the last 3 leagues i played, which was crucible for that end

[whole bluff]

In campaign the base item system actually kind of works, but campaign barely feels relevant unless your not progressing stash but your own speed

[wintry lily]

I didnt id shit in kalandra sentinel sanctum

[tough cove]

crucible and sentinel were the only two leagues it was really valid to id rares

[wintry lily]

crucible I did because it was valid

[split maple]

i think provisionings need overqual and fracture removed and tier upgrade nodes replaced by % chance to upgrade one mod by one tier

[wintry lily]

as for a1-a3, I know my bum ass luck isnt giving me a rare I can use for shit

[split maple]

then it will prolly still be usable, still be nice newb friendly intro to crafting, but wont be blatantly op

[whole bluff]

Sorry, I was just zoned out. Then it makes sense. I learned to go against my completionista and not ID rare gear around 3.15

[wintry lily]

I've had uh, literal 1 +1 wand

this entire time

even then it was magic

[hoary scarab]

wands tend to be magical

[wintry lily]

do be that way

[onyx adder]

The last piece of generic ground loot i usually identify per league is normally 25ms boots

I dont think tree changes that particularly

[wintry lily]

probably same until I get to rog

just for 30ms boots

[final owl]

I mean this is a much more nuanced approach than just straight up removing them or making the gifts hard to obtain, but sure tweaking the tree would work too

[wintry lily]

pleaseeeee ggg i neeeed this

[whole bluff]

I still ID caster weapons early cuz I got experience with casters enough to sorta easily tell if something is above the norm enough to sell for something (before tree tree anyway). Also boots. I keep jewelry longer, then drop belt and ammy, then drop rings

[split maple]

we know they aint removing them

since growings are mentioned as removed on transfer to standard

[wintry lily]

everything else is just slapped with crafted mods to keep me alive

[split maple]

while provisionings arent

[sly basalt]

are we going to get more stuff revealed today?

[final owl]

oh. well. that's mildly concerning I guess

[onyx adder]

Depends on ur definition of today

[grizzled lily]

i want to get teased more

[split maple]

btw how ignorable is dawnbreaker's "-1% Chance to Block Attack Damage for every 200 Fire Damage taken from Hits Recently" if i do like 90% lightning and cold taken as fire?

[grizzled lily]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[sly basalt]

today as in ... next 14h

[livid quarry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1re710t/heavy_strike_berserker_has_some_crazy_potential/

[dense rock]

be prepared to enjoy 0% block chance 😄

[onyx adder]

Somewhat likely then?

[split maple]

ouch

[onyx adder]

depends on content

[whole bluff]

Prolly depends a lot on your mitigation

[wintry lily]

what the fuck is block

I just sip my flasks and pray I dont die

[onyx adder]

dawnbreaker is more reliable than u might think since a lot of the damage u take in maps is phys unless u run a lot of multiple added ele maps

[dense rock]

block is what makes it so you can ignore sippy cup all together

[whole bluff]

I think the block is nice. Quickly gets chipped but it's a nice addition

[onyx adder]

and taking like 2000 damage recently is a lot of damage but reduces ur block by 10% only

so

[whole bluff]

It's not like baseline gone

[split maple]

trying to figure out if i can somehow fit in 1h+shield instead of 2h on slayer, so tempered by war+pof watcher+dawnbreaker, fortify, 8 enduros, 90% fire res all that jazz

[onyx adder]

i dont wanna downplay that since obviously losing 10% block from 75% is a lot mroe damage taken

[wintry lily]

Sir, are you telling me to experience alcohol withdrawal?

[onyx adder]

but its still not like NO BLOCK EVER

[split maple]

but like idk if i can even get dps on 1h

[dense rock]

noooooo. Im telling you to ditch alcohol and go for the better stuff

[wintry lily]

But my 100+ light and fire res + 3k life recovery

[whole bluff]

Since hp pools aren't as easily scaleable as dmg, I think a shield balanced around a unique mod like dawnbreakers can be expected to have a quite significant lifetime vs power creep

Like, if you consider your recovery when in full swing, and when you're pushing your limits to sustained dmg being like 70% of your recovery during a spike. How much is that during 4s and how much do you convert to fire, plus does map or content deal extra fire. Divide by 200

[brazen vector]

@split maple I thought of a better weapon than soultaker, Dark seer and a rare life on block shield with spellblock and life

https://pobb.in/5ZbnLb0wPNoK meet dusk chant

[split maple]

hows the farm going?

[brazen vector]

my record is 18k magic 7.3k rares

in 1 alva

[eager lion]

You guys excited for the Atlas rework?

[final owl]

the difference between excitement and dismay lies in the details

so.. not really

[gritty garnet]

it's not even dismarch yet

[final owl]

The fact that a rework of some kind is coming is reason for hope sure. But I don't know what i'm getting excited about yet

[eager lion]

Are you dismayed because of Poe2 end game

[gentle ice]

anything that is not poe2 will be nice 🤣

[final owl]

No i havent gone down either path yet due to the lack of concrete information

[eager lion]

Ngl I am a bit nervous Poe1 becomes more Poe2 like while Poe2 becomes more Poe1 like

[tough cove]

poe2 needs to become way more poe1 like

[tranquil sedge]

the 3.28 announcement post should set your mind at ease a bit then

[tough cove]

poe1 doesnt need to become poe2 like

[tranquil sedge]

only mark and octavian are mentioned in the poe1 livestream for 26th feb

no jonathan

so perhaps he's full time poe2-only now ? ig we'll find out

[tough cove]

except wasd...that needs to come to poe1 asap'

[whole bluff]

Just complete guesstimate for dawnbreaker, if you're pushing hard and living on leech or LGoH, recovering full life every second and having 4k life, during an intense part of map you take 70% of recovery for 2 seconds before you actually start to play more carefully. 8k sustain, 70% taken -> 5.6k dmg, say 10-30% is fire. This means you lose 560-1680 dmg to fire, which costs you 2-8% block

[eager lion]

We got downside ascendencies last league 😭 while they took souped up Incursion and old Breach from poe1

[whole bluff]

A big fire slam is prolly worse

[tranquil sedge]

2 more days

we'll either be happy or sad in 2 more days

[frigid wedge]

remind me why ur dropping the charlatan

[brazen vector]

skele shrine

[frigid wedge]

is that the

entire reason

[brazen vector]

the reason that everything crashes too, yes

[frigid wedge]

interesting

[tough cove]

im perfectly fine with bonus ascendancies having downsides. especially some of them needed downsides otherwise they would literally invalidate most ascendancies

[eager lion]

Like they're complete revamping the Poe2 end game right, those assets need to go somewhere

[tough cove]

like if the extra ring slot one didnt have downsides it would literally be mandatory for pretty much every build

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[brittle breach]

Hm

[whole bluff]

Though it would be cool if some bloodline was giga, but it would risk invalidating all other bloodlines

[frigid wedge]

u mean like aul

[whole bluff]

I guess, if it does

Unslowable is huge, I suppose

[frigid wedge]

where the only reason more ppl dont use it is because its a pain in the ass to get

[whole bluff]

Is unslowable boots?

[frigid wedge]

yes

[whole bluff]

Man

[frigid wedge]

crit immune gloves

[whole bluff]

Swap boots and chest

[frigid wedge]

so its not even like

the valuable slots

[wispy comet]

question about winds of fate. is it possible to convert the elemental damage that 75% of the physical damage gets converted to into chaos damage via lycia bloodline and foulborne red/green/blue dream/nightmare?

[frigid wedge]

its ur boots

[whole bluff]

Yup

Here, every boots is also kaoms roots

[frigid wedge]

mm

honestly action speed slows are too common

[whole bluff]

Yeah

And they sum instead of multiply

And players dont have a lower cap

[frigid wedge]

minimum action speed should not be an enabler for like 10 different t17 mods

[full lava]

how to get the max map device?

[frigid wedge]

granted i run basically all of those mods on my elementalist without minimum act speed

[whole bluff]

So players can literally get paused by TC+chill and insta frozen by a spawning drowning orb

[frigid wedge]

t17 conpletion, maven 10 way

[lean urchin]

t17 map, and 10 maven bosses fight

[full lava]

oh my days

[surreal musk]

maven 10 way 😳

[full lava]

i cant do that nvm

https://tenor.com/view/angry-popcorn-throwing-popcorn-popcorn-angry-rage-gif-9184458104053492471

[frigid wedge]

yeah, my uh, elementalist isnt immune to much, i just ignore map mods anyways because the build is a ridiculous mapper

[full lava]

coughing baby vs a nuclear bomb

[frigid wedge]

its not crit immune, its not act speed immune, it doesnt have a SINGLE ailment immunity other than cb

[whole bluff]

If you can clear the screen while on hold, it helps

[frigid wedge]

mmhmmm

and i get rewarded in recovery for doing so

[grizzled lily]

if it has a headhunter

[frigid wedge]

the only reason i dont run no regen is bc i cant spam frostblink

[grizzled lily]

its good enough

[frigid wedge]

it does but it works without it just fine bc the thing keeping it alive is recovery on kill

bc recover on kill is instant

and its hybrid es life

.-.

[grizzled lily]

are u just playing kb

or what

[frigid wedge]

hive

[grizzled lily]

okay

[frigid wedge]

but its actually built to be an autobomber

[grizzled lily]

fair enough

[frigid wedge]

instead of built around pbrand

so we have fishing rod and dark monarch instead of wands w archdemon etc

its fun

[grizzled lily]

arent sceptres better for pbrand

or

[frigid wedge]

it doesnt matter much

[whole bluff]

I don't know what drowning orbs starting slow is, but if you have TC with 7.5% slow and a 30% chill, you get paused very quickly, and then just see screen go black and char dies

[frigid wedge]

u want wands if ur not picking up synths

for cast speed implicit

otherwise it doesnt matter

[whole bluff]

You literally stand in the orb for like 2 seconds unable to move

[lean urchin]

thats why u reroll the drowning orbs

[frigid wedge]

reduced debuff dura used to kill u faster and i still think its hilarious

[whole bluff]

Yup

[split maple]

i still dont know why folks do synth sceptres instead of wands

like implicit pool should be same

[frigid wedge]

on a sidenote

[split maple]

is it just attr requirements making market wider?

[frigid wedge]

looks better

:P

[whole bluff]

Sceptres have slightly different affixes afaik

[frigid wedge]

wand bases arent exactly pretty other than coiling and kinetic imo

argument can be made for accumulators

but the rest are kinda ugly

and they're functionally identical to sceptres for synth ones

u can use rune daggers, sceptres, or wands

[whole bluff]

Hmm. Wands can prolly roll % fire prefix etc

And all the dot multis?

[frigid wedge]

p sure sceptres can too

[whole bluff]

And there's no influence on synth

[whole bluff]

Yeah, I can't think of any differences

I thought there were

[heady cliff]

high int requirements could be an issue

[whole bluff]

It'd make sense if sceptres had stun mod bloat

[frigid wedge]

yeah it's just preference of the crafter in most cases

[whole bluff]

Sceptres can use a heist base in other hand, or any other melee weapon

[frigid wedge]

its part of why i liked kingsmarch enchants

[solid laurel]

The twitch rewards give me hope for better challenge rewards this league

[whole bluff]

They were cool

[frigid wedge]

bc synth caster weapons actually had a reason to be on specific bases

[frigid wedge]

twitch mtx in the last year has been a lot better than some of the league cosmetics

[solid laurel]

Yeah

[frigid wedge]

the merc armour set was p cool but kinda basic

[solid laurel]

I love the gold spent one

[whole bluff]

Iirc, daggers got updated to have same mod pool in recent memory

[solid laurel]

The hideout mtx

[whole bluff]

Like 3.16+

[frigid wedge]

rune daggers ye

[whole bluff]

Yup

[frigid wedge]

i gotta decide what im leaguestarting

...

ive left it too late

[whole bluff]

Would be cool if there were some special modline for every caster weapon. Staves like more dmg with spells/less cast speed. Daggers base crit to spells. Sceptres something. Wands something

[frigid wedge]

but im also delusional and everything i wanna start is ci

other than toxic rain

and 2 of them are mana stackers

[whole bluff]

I still have barely started theorycrafting

Looks like we get templar love

[surreal musk]

hhow about an influence + synth mod on int weapons that says 'spells gain x added damage per y attribute'

[whole bluff]

Eblade with 3 flask mageblood might be on the menu

[whole bluff]

Would be cool

[fossil mural]

Not again 😩

[frigid wedge]

like, int mana rvob transitions well from hiero manastorm but both are eh in terms of actually doing content
mfa is mfa and i have to pob it because imma be real no one has a build for it
toxic rain pf is good for beasts but im an idiot and wont end up doing it
and im kinda slow so starting valdo glad into champ armourstacker is stupid

[fossil mural]

You already have the stick

[whole bluff]

More stacking is a problem. But spells need love and all good options seem to require stacking

[fossil mural]

Fair trade imho

[frigid wedge]

spells just go eb

and battlemage + spellblade it

[frigid wedge]

but yeah none of these seem like good options but nothing has really appealed to me recently

[whole bluff]

Yeah, but that's dual stack

[frigid wedge]

doesnt have to be

[whole bluff]

It's kinda cool that you stack str, int, life, ES

[whole bluff]

Hmm, how

Sounds cool

[frigid wedge]

u dual stack bc inquis fixes ur crit by doing so and u abuse shapers touch/ ghostwrithe or ivory tower

not because you have to

[surreal musk]

unfortunately spells decently scaling options are templar only. theres no point in playing eblade/archmage on anything other than inquis/herio

[frigid wedge]

the entire reason eblade caster dual stacks is because inquis is the best ascendancy to click with eblade

xD

[whole bluff]

I tried this on scavenger. Do not recommend. Cool if people solved eblade for scav and company

[frigid wedge]

just int stack harder smh

[whole bluff]

Agree

[spice pecan]

i mean shavs and nycta's lantern nodes both kinda solve ivory tower eblade stuff no?

you just lack crit

[frigid wedge]

which is why inquis

[whole bluff]

Eblade + nyctas = brick

[spice pecan]

no, you take the nycta's lantern ascendancy node

[whole bluff]

Ah, scav nycta

[spice pecan]

for battlemage

yes

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[frigid wedge]

solve crit by just being better

[whole bluff]

It's not worth it

[spice pecan]

this is not path of phone

[candid moon]

Fuck wrong channel

[frigid wedge]

vin if scav returns try it with lightning tendies

[whole bluff]

Inquisitor is literally better in my experience

[surreal musk]

yup

eblade scav is worse eblade inquis

[spice pecan]

the only advantage scav gets here is no traitor/coruscating

[frigid wedge]

battlemage+ignore res and immediately solving ur crit with dual stacking would do that yeh

[spice pecan]

which isn't even that bad

[frigid wedge]

Honestly if foulborn ghostwrithe stays u dont even need to int stack

u just get more max life

and enjoy ur 0 penalty eblade with rathpith

[spice pecan]

you do get a lot less es than ivory tower to be fair

[fossil mural]

Max life without apostate isnt that high

[spice pecan]

which means smaller eblade

[frigid wedge]

doesnt mean u cant run it

[fossil mural]

And foulborn halves that for es no?

So like

Tiny eblade

Like

Edagger

[spice pecan]

Ebutterknife

[frigid wedge]

bigducks was running it

https://mobalytics.gg/poe/profile/bigducks/builds/lazy-uber-bosser-ghostwrithe-energy-blade-life-stacker

seems aight

imma go now im meant to be doing stuff

[spice pecan]

doing stuff is bad

[frigid wedge]

yeah thats nice

im gonna go anyway

[fossil mural]

That climbing girl is the stuff

[full lava]

what build is good for harvest farm strat

[spice pecan]

most builds

might want at least a bit of single target tho

[whole bluff]

May your stuff be blessed in the most atheistic way

[spice pecan]

those rares can get kinda beefy

[surreal musk]

molten strike builds are good at harvest ,either msoz or some int stack

[fossil mural]

Just get explode

Trust

[full lava]

im getting 1 tap

[fossil mural]

And wait for rares to spawn

[full lava]

im using rolling magma

🙁

[spice pecan]

nah the rares spawn after you clear the blues i thought

[surreal musk]

they spawn x seconds after u click it

[spice pecan]

ah

i just blast

[spice pecan]

rolling magma mines?

[full lava]

yes

[fallow fern]

imagine not going rolling magma self cast

[full lava]

its automated wym

[spice pecan]

just throw the mines and kite the mobs around

[fossil mural]

Get a better build

[spice pecan]

or post your pob

[fossil mural]

One with explodes

And that doesnt tap

[full lava]

i think its the modifies atp

[full lava]

crazy thing is i easily solo t16

its js when i do harvest my build is js get weak lol

[fossil mural]

Harvest mobs are naturally a lot tankier, just like new breach mobs

So maybe they do more damage

Than normal

[full lava]

ye they sure do dmg

cause im tanky

i moslty tank region bos=ses

[fossil mural]

Get more damage and click 25% less damage on the tree

Underrated

[full lava]

where?

[split maple]

issue with harvests is some of them shotgun you a lot

[fossil mural]

There is a keystone

[split maple]

so need to mitigate a lot of small hits at same time

[fossil mural]

On atlas tree

[split maple]

block helps, divine shield helps etc etc

[whole bluff]

I find mass t1 plants almost hardest cuz they just spawn like 15-25 small things that instantly start firing projectiles on the same frame. Approaching them from further away can allow you to stagger their salvos and make it easier

It's the fact they all appear in range if you're close

So I just die

[fossil mural]

50% more life, 25% less damage

For mobs

[sly basalt]

It was data leaked in Korean client that we will get Poe 2 atlas

[sand glen]

or made with ai cause the veo watermark is in the corner

[sly basalt]

actually true

[spice pecan]

more ai slop

[fossil mural]

Finally, some good content

[sly basalt]

baited

ram prices are up for this 🙁

[whole bluff]

The ram prices are a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[split maple]

Ty for the math but turns out I just cannot get dps on 1h

[whole bluff]

Npnp

[split maple]

Will have to go 2h and am slightly irked I cannot path to divine shield

So only having evasion and overleech for small hit scenarios

[karmic gust]

i just saw a vid of someone using automation plague bearer, wow that looks like the most useless shit ever

onl thing it achieves is basically just nerrfing your damage constantly

[whole bluff]

Evasion is very nice, but phys spells kinda wreck if you don't have suppression and/or spell block

[whole bluff]

Sounds like something I would play

[split maple]

Will have caped suppress yea

[whole bluff]

Ah, neat

[karmic gust]

i was considering doing that with plague bearer before but after actually seeing it i guess not :d

[whole bluff]

Lul

[split maple]

Basically I wanted to see if I can bruteforce block on this kinda defences setup: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mercenarieshc/character/PoEDan79-7719/DanFaithInCarn?i=0&search=name%3Ddan

[brazen vector]

why would you automate a golem instead of CWDT it

[whole bluff]

BMC it

Golem on hit pog

[warm musk]

What's the best single target bow skill for leveling?

around levels 1-27?

[karmic gust]

shrapnel ballista

[warm musk]

Minus ballistas

like self cast

[brazen vector]

shrapnel ballistas are selfcast

[karmic gust]

well at level 4 puncture :d

and then probably storm rain

[warm musk]

Ok I'll look at puncture ty!

yep I was going to switch to it at 28

[karmic gust]

well puncture will only work very early

[whole bluff]

I liked CA for a few lvls, into PConc

[karmic gust]

dont think itwill work till 28

[split maple]

What skills are even available that early

Galvanic arrow kinda stuff?

[warm musk]

using this atm

[karmic gust]

dont rly have many good options early

idk why would you not just use shrapnel for single tho

at 12 you can grab barrage at least i guess

[warm musk]

Just trying to simulate the MFA gameplay as early as possible ty for answering tho!

[umbral crag]

I dont even think you can automate golem

Ive tried before i think

[opal ingot]

Automate golem xd

[split pagoda]

I think you need to go pure lightning doryani smite to get dmg on that

[brazen vector]

cwdt golem definitely worked at some point

[opal ingot]

Idk about u guys but it would be cool if golem auto summon wasn't an ascendancy only thing

[split pagoda]

Ive played that and it's pretty good but I think 2h version is just better. Avoidance isnt great but you do get like 10k evasion which is pretty decent

[surreal musk]

still works

[split pagoda]

And can replace determ for grace for mapping too prob

[split maple]

Yea 4mil on molten didn't rly make me happy

Sure I could get more if I slaped a few uniques around but idk kinda breaks the point of build to not take life

[umbral crag]

Cwdt definitrly works. Im saying automation support to golem hahah

[brazen vector]

oh, my bad x3

yea, never tested that variation

[split maple]

What sorta numbers did you hit on Smite there strmor?

Like I can see zenith works well but wondering how much it drops going for skill that can clear

[split pagoda]

For the 2h version? I haven't actually played that myself yet, and haven't checked out smite either on the endgame pob

[surreal musk]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/앙고르덴-6223/KF_Blue?type=depthsolo&i=0&search=class%3DTrickster%26type%3Ddepthsolo%26sort%3Ddepth

[split pagoda]

All I know is the endgame msoz version is very potent, and dan/others who played it this league did play 2h smite before swapping to it

Gonna look into it more depending on patch notes definitely on my radar for stuff to play

[spice pecan]

i forgot i had this

[limber lance]

Have y’all seen the post from octavian or sth where hes likely hinting that we wont begetting ground loot changes?

[surreal musk]

can u share said hint

[split maple]

yeah same, i am considering bleedshater on slayer instead of bers since early dmg looks better so looking at lategame prospects for that

[brazen vector]

[grizzled lily]

isnt that kinda expensive also holy name

[split pagoda]

U mean instead of jugg?

[grizzled lily]

🫴

fair share bro

[spice pecan]

idk i got it for basically free, i remember seeing a video about corr cry

but no idea how much it costs to set up

[split maple]

oh yea jugger

[grizzled lily]

exiledcat

[split maple]

too used to slammer 😄

[spice pecan]

do you play corr cry on champion by any chance

[grizzled lily]

its kinda cheap but not that strong endgame

i think

[split pagoda]

Yeah bleedzone slayer is good too

[grizzled lily]

i think u play smth marauder w it

[spice pecan]

i was afraid of that

[split pagoda]

Wanted to test it but didn't get around to it

[limber lance]

Il send when i find it again. Its a clip from a stream where he says that they are aware of the state of ground loot and that the topic will be discussed in the q&a… which basically sounds to me like they will just excuse themselves or push the changes

[split maple]

i am a bit scaredy of low avoid + leech/lgoh recovery only builds rn, since i rly didnt like how strstack zenith felt before progen - like tendency to fall over the moment you dont have stuff to hit

and in ssf progen isnt available easily

[split pagoda]

More damage than jugg for sure, probably would need to wait a little longer to swap to boneshatter tho with no untiring/extra endu charge stuff. Or maybe just lower level boneshatter for a little while

Tho tbf the big overleech prob fulfills the untiring role very well

[split pagoda]

Yeah that's fair

[eager lion]

It's okay if the mechanic is rewarding like mercenary right?

[short prairie]

Empyrean

[short prairie]

Play flicker

[limber lance]

That would be my hope too

[eager lion]

Ground loot in Poe2 is now amazing is that right

[limber lance]

Ground loot only was a crazy problem in keepers because the mechanic was stinky poop

[split maple]

ground loot would feel sadge rn even with merc party quant

[limber lance]

Yeah but its overtuned, not exactly ground loot but loot in general, that will change

[split maple]

explicit effect + mod nerfs were a thing

not to forget all decent strats except blight & boxes got dedged

[limber lance]

I cant find the clip from octavian anymore, might have gotten deleted

[spice pecan]

wait did he stream recently and talk about it?

[limber lance]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/i1kJ10xCyN

Theres the clip

[split pagoda]

one thing I remember from when Dan played that build in merc league was when some guy in global was trying to salvage his mageblood feared valdos. Exile was streaming and every1 either died or noped out until dan came in and did it on his zenith slayer

map had 90 less and some other stuff too

[leaden quiver]

u just play an ES stacker and take 40min for these maps

and its alright

as long as the enemy cant leech/regen you will beat them eventually

[steel light]

"current ground loots are still too high, it shall be futher decrease." - GGG

[leaden quiver]

just dont die in the meantime

[split pagoda]

people went in with es stackers but it was literally impossible after their merc died

[leaden quiver]

ground loot is an issue sincel ike, the league after affliction

so necropolis

[surreal musk]

ahktually since kaladra the person i get my opinions from on youtube said so

[split maple]

loot baseline felt to me allrite in settlers

like nemeses scarb farm was sustainable (now isnt), raw divs droped every so often even when not doing currency but just juiced content

[limber lance]

Keepers was the issue that let the people really feel the lack of ground loot

[split maple]

then mercs was a vibe with strong edifice + merc party bonus

[leaden quiver]

i mean, kind of true

[split maple]

then keepers decided to kick ass of explicit effect and to at the same time nuke t17 mods

[leaden quiver]

i dont think this is the case

[split maple]

so t16.5 is impossible to roll sanely

[leaden quiver]

i remember settlers/mercs/keepers being mostly carried by league content and scarabs

ground loot means just uninvested t16 map regular mobs

those drop nothing now, theyre just fodder for eater/exarch altars

[limber lance]

I kind of think that we will get some kind of loot changes in 2 leagues after mirage, where we get atlas changes and endgame changes

[leaden quiver]

and to keep ur buffs up

[split maple]

ground loot is for me global drops

you still should juice

everything that isnt tiles basically

[leaden quiver]

yeah obviously

but right now if you dont juice you drop nothing

[split maple]

like that alch n go doesnt give shit isnt an issue

[leaden quiver]

wonder what they'll do this league, they said there will be endgame changes now

[split maple]

issue is that if you aint doing blight rn it feels unrewarding af

[leaden quiver]

also remove crops from keepers

and make ores ship for currency + items

thanx

[split maple]

like this league would be way more satisfying if basic gameplay loop wasnt farm t17 in t16.5 with harbbeyond to then farm scarbs in t17 with harbbeyond to then repeat that 100x until you accomulate enough scarbs for mechanics (and if you need divs better drop enough catalyzing scarbs while doing that )

[marble moss]

New League looks like its gonna be dope

[limber lance]

Have you watched the clip? I think were not getting ground loot changes but hopefully some map and atlas changes + a quick to do leaguemechanic, so we dont feel the lack of loot so much

[leaden quiver]

dont think we are getting ground loot changes

but GGG did mentione they will do scarab/atlas tree changes this league

[brazen vector]

I ethically crafted that chest myself, I had no choice for the name :(

[leaden quiver]

after nerfing all of the strats in keepers

[limber lance]

And t17s might get changed

[leaden quiver]

and then doing the small patch for scarab buffs

[limber lance]

Also the hints of horizon:harbi orbs removed if thats even a thing

[leaden quiver]

(which were VERY cool. I swear by the divinity scarab when farming +mod rares, its fun if you get the good conversion)

[split maple]

divinity doesnt give conversions itself anymore

you just got one of them on one of global rare mods, same as if you would without divinity

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-dj-hunts-shivering-sheep-baaaa-gif-5167561624548843499

[limber lance]

Have you heard abt the groundloot

[elder marlin]

Is that like some kind of ancient civilization?

[brazen vector]

I heard they will remove rare mobs

[limber lance]

Might be

[brazen vector]

and implement a pool of 493 unique monsters that all have a unique drop pool which is fixed each

[limber lance]

All mobs…. The loot will already be on the ground

[silent vortex]

Please...god....I don't ask for anything but PLEASE, let the discussion on ground loot be "we've heard your feedback and are buffing it. Here's what you can look forward to."

I can't do another poverty league man.

[karmic gust]

"we know there is issue with ground loot, so as solution we are removing ground"

[brazen vector]

wdym poverty league

[gentle chasm]

poverty is a skill issue

[eager lion]

https://x.com/Zizaran/status/2026580568096301076 makes me nervous man lol

Zizaran 🇳🇴 (@Zizaran)

I don't think its super likely we're getting the poe 2 system in poe 1. Surely. Right? I do think theyre reworking it, but im assuming itll stay fairly similar to what it is now. Right?

X · Feb 25, 2026, 8:50 AM

[brazen vector]

if you just dont use your atlas youre doing it wrong

[tough anchor]

i bet loot wont be touched. Its garbage right now.

Might as well just delete the items that drop from monsters.

[silent vortex]

They did, 2 years ago during Lake of Kalandra when all this BS started.

[gentle chasm]

kalandra was 4 years ago

[silent vortex]

.......Holy crap was it actually

[crisp obsidian]

Which system

[silent vortex]

😭 my sense of time is terrible

[elfin spire]

half of atlas is ground loot
would be good if that half worked, yep

[eager lion]

Towers and that endless map thing they do

[crisp obsidian]

Oh no way

PoE1 can't handle that

[silent vortex]

Aint no fucking way, I'll quit before I play that

[gentle chasm]

we already have that

its called delve

[past rain]

is impale just 10 % more phy taken

[steel light]

i can't handle juiced blight with my 1070

[eager lion]

No doubt, I legit rather play the campaign on repeat. Worst end game in modern ARPG atm

[silent vortex]

Facts

[lucid gale]

The floor of this zone is hilarious.
It's a ground hoot.

[crisp obsidian]

Specs issue go upgrade

[tough anchor]

The campaign is horrible, i dread to play that bs again.

[onyx adder]

Come for the poe, stay for the life advice

[steel light]

in this economy? are you high?

[silent vortex]

Campaign is simply in the way of the real game, unfortunately they force us to engage with it every league

[past rain]

its kinda sus we dont have horizon orb and reports/kirac mission?... how am i supposed to progress

[eager lion]

Poe has the GOAT end game, why do you think it needs a rework?

[lucid gale]

Good spot for a debate tho, a ground moot.

[crisp obsidian]

Nah not high yet, if you can't afford it go steal it from someone/something rich((this is a joke))

[silent vortex]

"But we put stuff in the acts :>"

Cool, 90% of it will be worthless and skippable lol.

[karmic gust]

the poe2 system has no progression so it doesnt rly feel like you are doing anything useful by going throuhg that atlas

[final owl]

it doesn't matter why any of us think it needs a rework. ggg thinks it needs a rework, and ggg is reworking it.

[karmic gust]

just walking in direction for no reason

[tough anchor]

more rooms and stuff in campaign: more frustration to progress to the end.

[karmic gust]

or at least it did not had any progression when i played poe2 idk if they improved it

[split maple]

surely they just moved all of these into new map currency section

since also no chisels

[eager lion]

My problem with Poe2 is that I can't get that feeling of blasting maps. Like the number of clicking to open one map feels long as well.

[silent vortex]

ight gnight lads, hopefully we get blessed friday.

[silent vortex]

.....this is going to haunt my dreams

[past rain]

how does impale work? i am stuped

is it 10% more phy dmg

or is it 10% more phy dmg PER hit ?

[karmic gust]

if atlas had progression like delve while not being delve that would be fun tho

[past rain]

lowkey

[eager lion]

I can accept horizons and scouting reports getting removed to slow it down a bit but pls don't take away the atlas

[crisp obsidian]

Yeah idk why poe2 maps don't get harder and better loot the deeper you go

It's wild ggg didn't do that

[past rain]

i think thats too massive of a change its way too risky tho

surely

[eager lion]

Poe2 end game was rushed into beta because they worked out people don't want to play campaign forever

[final owl]

i mean it's a rework not a complete rethink. i'm pretty sure atlas is staying

[crisp obsidian]

They have had time to fix it

[tough anchor]

The giga end game is way too hard in its current state. You need a perfect gear + passives right now to make it work at all. Its a frustrating journey. And if you make a mistake its gg for the rest of the league. This I feel like would need to be changed its just mostly bs.

[eager lion]

0.5 is supposed to be the vision of the poe2 end game

[crisp obsidian]

Let's hope so

[karmic gust]

yea probably

[eager lion]

Would lol if they basically just switched Poe1 and poe2 end game around

[spice pecan]

if by "giga endgame" you mean quad ghosted feared valdo maps and 6k+ delve then sure

[karmic gust]

i mean i would also play it in poe2 if it was there :d

[spice pecan]

you don't need perfect gear to do ubers at all

[lucid gale]

First thought that comes into my mind - that's scary with that leapfrog tablet existing.

Every exile just skipping off into Narnia ^_^

[final owl]

"if you make a mistake it's gg for the rest of the league" what

[tough anchor]

Nah anything above t15 is almost completely impossible unless your giga nerding the game 16 hours minimum a day and have a perfect following of a guide and a build.

[spice pecan]

okay you're baiting lol

very low quality bait

[final owl]

trying pretty hard. points for effort I guess

[tough anchor]

Prove me wrong though.

[split maple]

you need exactly 15c of earthshatter to do 4voids

actually you dont need 15c, thats just reserve for your skill issue

[onyx adder]

Damn my brother showing off his bling

Thats like 1c per piece

[tough anchor]

Yeah u gotta giga nerd the game to do that. ''skill issue'' I can do all the content in the game its just pretty much complete bullshit most of the time.

[spice pecan]

don't interact with this guy

he's clearly ragebaiting

[eager lion]

You going to play holy hammers?

[crisp obsidian]

Don't fall for the bad bait wtf

[onyx adder]

Do u have something better to do for the next 32 hours tho

[prime hill]

ah yes

[crisp obsidian]

I thought I taught you ppl better

[split maple]

ngl i prefer that kinda ragebait to muh ground loot debate again

[onyx adder]

Bro

[prime hill]

relatively new account that joined poe discord 15 days ago

[spice pecan]

i could go watch paint dry

[prime hill]

get on your main

[onyx adder]

U telling ppl to not fall for the ragebait is some next level shit

Unironically ragebaiting harder than the troll by accident

[crisp obsidian]

Yes

[tough anchor]

This is my main though. Just expressing my toughts.

[karmic gust]

missed the chance to post chatgpt reply to the ragebait jiji smh

[crisp obsidian]

I have been teaching the secrets of ragebait so you ppl would stop falling for em 🙏

[brazen vector]

not really well apparently

[onyx adder]

I like this guy anyway

[crisp obsidian]

I saw it too late

[onyx adder]

He has a good pfp

Very strong

[lucid gale]

The sacred art of jiji-tsu

[karmic gust]

damn wtd making troll alts now

[gentle chasm]

biased opinion smh

[tough anchor]

I consider myself a master of the bullshido

[eager lion]

Is this difficult to craft

[spice pecan]

archdemon crowns seem very annoying to craft

[young musk]

Annoying but doable

[brazen vector]

thats entry level crafting

[karmic gust]

that looks like essence spam

[split maple]

not rly difficult

[karmic gust]

pretty ez

[split maple]

just essence spam into ex ex prefix

[onyx adder]

This one isnt too bad

[eager lion]

Ok I will try RF for the first time

[onyx adder]

Its boring

But its not hard to craft

[eager lion]

Is it? The explodes look fun though

[split maple]

wouldnt just spaming harvest fire until burning and conc be better for rf tho

like i would skip essence mod in favour of conc

[karmic gust]

well then you have conc

[onyx adder]

Huh

[karmic gust]

i would rather not but also idk how rf builds clear now

[onyx adder]

Im talking about the craft

[karmic gust]

so maybe they dont care

[onyx adder]

Idk what build ur playin

[brazen vector]

they clear scoured maps

[eager lion]

RF lol

[brazen vector]

slowly

[split maple]

you dont need that much rf aoe on chief

since if density hinekoras

and if no density is build issue

[onyx adder]

In month 4 if u guess a build the right answer is usually 5 times more troll

[eager lion]

Foulburn uniques still in the game?

[spice pecan]

probably

[crisp obsidian]

Yesn't

[brazen vector]

yea for now, we dont know what the tree will do

[onyx adder]

Today i have seen absolute potatoes post builds with 3000 life per second runegraft of the witchmark for barely any damage

And thats just deathbeam

So i dont guess anymore its too dangerous

[eager lion]

I can't work out this POB actually

[brazen vector]

post it

[eager lion]

Why this RF build link Skitterbots and Meat Sheild

[steel light]

won't lore change if c'thun is still in tree room?

since breach

[eager lion]

And it's also only using 3 flask

[onyx adder]

Is it arkhons selfchill

[onyx adder]

Traitor probably

[brazen vector]

CThun is a cutie

also its GGGs game, they can just put Chayula on vacation in the Bahamas if they wanted to

[cosmic narwhal]

Hi

[spice pecan]

yo

[frigid wedge]

such conversation

such wow

[frigid wedge]

arkhon self chill is the worst type of self chill

[wispy comet]

when the physical damage converts to a random element, can i still convert that elemental damage afterwards?

[frigid wedge]

its so jank and has no speed except for dps

[frigid wedge]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Damage_conversion

scroll down to conversion order

[tight plinth]

what are good spells to mine?

[spice pecan]

exsanguinate, reap

[wispy comet]

looks like yes, ty

[crisp obsidian]

The new cold spell is gonna be insane on mines

[spice pecan]

new cold spell?

[crisp obsidian]

Yee

[spice pecan]

substantiate

[tight plinth]

is that a chicken peeking out a toilet bowl?

[spice pecan]

someone in my irl discord drew it i think, it's best not to ask questions

[tight plinth]

ball lightning of static have no limit when cast by mines?

[frigid wedge]

considering its an explosion id imagine detonate dead is pretty good at mining, its not very controlled though so you might wanna make sure it doesn't blow up the coal

[wispy comet]

still has a cooldown with traps, i would think mines would too

[crisp obsidian]

If selfcasting aint getting buffs I am rerolling into poe2

[spice pecan]

sounds like torture

[crisp obsidian]

Less torture than selfcasting being dead leag after leag