1┃general

[split maple]

you just add it to any strat

its literaly free dough

[tight plinth]

its moneys and mobs to kill

[umbral crag]

Can do like alva betrayal altars, literally no scarabs needed for investment

[split maple]

well needs to spec in these 6 passives

but thats full invest needed as addition to other strat

[hexed mountain]

dont you take the whole lower wheel too max out the loot from altars?

[tight plinth]

you could ditch wrath if youre weak still

[winter blaze]

this is my current atlas

[tight plinth]

could do blue altars then, less consistent imo but also profitable

[gritty epoch]

Farm shapers it's 25c guaranteed minimum profit per run + big drops

[winter blaze]

i dont think i can beat him

[gritty epoch]

[unreal sand]

I'd go with fubs red+shrines tree for ez starter https://poeplanner.com/a/VFk

just remove the heist "crap" 😄

[tight plinth]

a fellow shaper enjoyer

[gritty epoch]

Make Alva temples or regular t16 harvest

Guy have 90c you don't ask him to do fubgun strats.. yet

[tight plinth]

is essence farm still a thing?

[hexed mountain]

conq fragment price varies but its often around the 10-15c mark btw its really solid to sell too

[umbral crag]

Speaking of alva, I'll miss the alva juices farm

[unreal sand]

its a no invest strat

[umbral crag]

Profitable still but so much worse than before

Thanks to tree

[tight plinth]

last i did it i was making 15div/hr

[umbral crag]

Last league essence strat gave me solid 25-30div/hr

[tight plinth]

but it wasnt fun

[winter blaze]

how do i farm this? where would the income come from?

[unreal sand]

essence is too sleeper mode for me. but its good

[umbral crag]

Now its probably closer to 7-10div/hr

[split maple]

dont forget that div/hr is also based on not being a newb and not wasting time

[hexed mountain]

especially if you sell writs , woke gems , conq exs , orbs of dominance on the side too

[unreal sand]

the red altars and monsters. there is an altar that gives chance to drop chaos from altar influence mobs

and you want as many altar mobs as possible

[umbral crag]

And just bubblegum currencies in general which can be good for noobs with 90c

[hexed mountain]

late league its not as good but early league the gcp altars are quite good

[unreal sand]

ye

[hexed mountain]

often at 2c a piece

[unreal sand]

oh and run a fire flask when running red altars!

[hexed mountain]

but then again blue altar hitting divine orb mogs red altar , just be lucky

[unreal sand]

I have only seen 1 T_T

[tight plinth]

same

and i was done with 60% of the map

😭

[hexed mountain]

i was running blube altars in phrecia with a friend doing various strats (lots of packsize) got one div altar , last pack of the map

[tight plinth]

got 12 div tho

[hexed mountain]

2 divs xd

[tight plinth]

oof

[hexed mountain]

sad part is i had 4 eater packsize conq idols

beginning of map that was a 40+ div

[gritty epoch]

Last time I got a div altar I misclicked

[unreal sand]

I hit the divine altar in affliction league. the worst time to find it

[tight plinth]

classic

[unreal sand]

when you only read the downside T_T

[solid laurel]

How much aoe will something with base 2.5 get with 500% Inc aoe...like 5?

[winter blaze]

i just finished my atlas now do i alch and go?

[unreal sand]

yessir, remember to hit this on the map device

[tight plinth]

500% increased is x6 no?

[hexed mountain]

yes

[stoic horizon]

isnt it a bit weirder with aoe tho?

at least depending what you are comparing

[solid laurel]

So like 6m radius then

[stoic horizon]

the radius of total area

[tight plinth]

oh true

[frigid wedge]

so what is actually in that teaser, i didnt notice till i left house

[tight plinth]

wait no, its radius

[frigid wedge]

is it a mechanic or a skill

[stoic horizon]

new skill

[split maple]

lightning looking slam that gives power charges

[frigid wedge]

soooo, its consecrated path of power

[solid laurel]

2.5^2 *6 is 37.5....so should just be over 6m radius by a little bit

[stoic horizon]

might have fire mixed in too

[solid laurel]

If I'm not derping

[stoic horizon]

since its holy

[unreal sand]

aka melee nerfs incoming Kappa

[split maple]

problem is increased aoe doesnt scale radius

it scales total area covered

which is worse

[solid laurel]

Hmm

I'd plug it into pob but I'm in work

[split maple]

see https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Area_of_effect#How_modifiers_to_AoE_sizes_work

[solid laurel]

Thinking of the alt leap slam which has base aoe 2.5

Should have about 500% Inc aoe

If someone wants to be a legend and plug it into pob I'll love you long time

Struggles of theorycrafting in work

[winter blaze]

what does it do?

[frigid wedge]

to get change in radius u gotta divide the inc aoe by π and then square root it

for new radius

so what r we tryna do

[solid laurel]

Base 2.5m with 500% Inc aoe

Using the alt leap slam

[solid laurel]

So I was right with my above calc

Ty ty

[frigid wedge]

5.5

oh nvm

god i hate the calculator on this phone

[gritty epoch]

Square root 5

[frigid wedge]

such as ass

[solid laurel]

That's chonky leap slam aoe

I need to check the damage

Hopefully above 30m

[frigid wedge]

why specifically above 30m

[solid laurel]

Because that's a real sweet spot for me

[unreal sand]

adds Searing Exarch influence. Have you done your voidstone quests?

[winter blaze]

no

[solid laurel]

For juiced content at least

[winter blaze]

how do i do it?

[solid laurel]

10m for most things I'd be happy, but for maxing it out at least

[frigid wedge]

honestly my preference for dps entirely depends on the type of build

[solid laurel]

I'm a RF enthusiast so I like having about 15m+ clear dps

[frigid wedge]

ah

consistency in clear?

wtf

[solid laurel]

I like zooming

Yeah

Sub 1min crim temple full clear or bust

[frigid wedge]

who needs clear consistency when it can vary from 1m to 160m

[solid laurel]

(scried DC)

[unreal sand]

you progress through tiers of maps, you should get a quest that tells you to do maven influence, then search and eater. once you do enough progress in them you have to do a quest version of the eldritch bosses (they should be pretty easy) and you get your first 2 voidstones

[frigid wedge]

my clear dps literally depends on map tier and it decreases when i dont juice

[unreal sand]

relying on HH or? 😄

[frigid wedge]

hh plus explode

[unreal sand]

ting go boom

[winter blaze]

so after i do this i should have it

[unreal sand]

yes

that's the eater, if I am not mistaken

[winter blaze]

yeah

[winter blaze]

im not sure i can kill him

[unreal sand]

red is searing. but you get it the same way you got that one

[frigid wedge]

my goal every league is slowly becoming to be the best at some stupid bullshit that is mostly irrelevant

[winter blaze]

i beat him now what do i do

[hexed mountain]

writhing invite is the aids miniboss

arguably the best designed boss in the game (thats why nobody wants to fight it))

[stoic horizon]

every league im the best at being bad at the game

[golden phoenix]

My goal every league is to do something well.

[unreal sand]

IIRC you need to do more t6+'s to find the envoy and get the other quest. i am unsure about the tier as I never really thought about it before. I just progress through tiers and dont think much about it tbh lol

[frigid wedge]

fair

[unreal sand]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Searing_Exarch_(quest)

[frigid wedge]

im usually just over invested in going blind

[frigid wedge]

do you succeed?

[hexed mountain]

is there any limit to voltaxic burst stacks?

[bold scarab]

Nah you gotta do something so bad that you don't even know how you got it to be that bad because it should have been impossible to be that bad

[winter blaze]

i got it

[unreal sand]

@winter blaze when you've done the searing boss and you're in t14's and up, which should happen decently fast. you can add searing exarc influence which adds red altars. and this is one of the altars you want -
you look for this one and then open the rest for maximum chaos drops, but you don't have to

[hexed mountain]

nvm just checked youtube and seems to be no limit

[bold scarab]

Better be playing RF or something is gonna sneeze on you and you'll die

[hexed mountain]

i wonder just how high saboteur perfect crime voltaxic burst could go with arcanist brand

maybe several hundred with some duration

[queen cobalt]

hey when league ends, would currency go into the std stash? or not?

[tight plinth]

yes

[queen cobalt]

cos i cant see any currency from previous leagues.

[stoic horizon]

to a remove only tab

[unreal sand]

idk. never struggled with it as I run ruby flask with ignite removal on use when running red altars. my late game builds dont need it

[queen cobalt]

i cant see a remove only tab

[tight plinth]

youve got the tabs hidden

[stoic horizon]

unhide them

[queen cobalt]

i just migrated some old phrecia ones

[tight plinth]

theres a cog top rght corner

[queen cobalt]

ok how to unhide?

[solid laurel]

Wonder if ggg would ever just straight up add phrecia ascendancies to core, but exclude forbidden jewels for them

[tight plinth]

click the cog

[queen cobalt]

yep got it! thanks

[winter blaze]

@unreal sand these good at all just found it in my map

[unreal sand]

If you can take the downside, I'd go with the bottom one

no wait, top one. instilling. I read it wrong

[hexed mountain]

damn voltaxic burst quality lowkey looks like it goes insane with sabo

[unreal sand]

my sleep deprived brain read binding orb lol

[hexed mountain]

can get to 4% more damage per stack waiting and get into the 200-300+

[frigid wedge]

ive seen voltax w 200 stacks but it is not easy to get

iirc they ended up playing ignite

[hexed mountain]

on perfect crime stuff its not hard

[frigid wedge]

nono

it was sabo

[hexed mountain]

the more duration you get the higher you ramp too

[frigid wedge]

nvm it was 400

[hexed mountain]

just have to be cringe and wait 5-10 sec to start mapping

[frigid wedge]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sG32g5gNIOo

[unreal sand]

@winter blaze Forgot to mention another thing for red altars. Do this pantheon

[hexed mountain]

yeah

at 400 with 60% qual you're at 1600% more damage

that's pretty damn nice

[unreal sand]

those red altar burning ground are deadly without it

[hexed mountain]

only sad partis the 0.4s cast speed is kinda irrelevant on perfect crime brand recall spamm

since most stacks come from brand recall

surprisingly good self cast damage because of the cast speed

but seems a lot more efficient on stacking perfect crime shenanigans

[ocean field]

Holy Hammers aka smite of divine judgement

[frigid wedge]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vULbF_0YrAo theres also this one

[winter blaze]

its this for me

[ember hemlock]

U can take 2

Minor and major

[hexed mountain]

yeah wardloop i wont touch , my pc wont like it xd

[winter blaze]

i dont see the onbe he posted

[ember hemlock]

Its smaller one

[winter blaze]

ik

[unreal sand]

Soul of Abberath is the small one, 3rd from the left

[winter blaze]

i dont got it

[ember hemlock]

[hexed mountain]

i wonder if voltaxic burst counts other voltaxic burst stacks

like can you do a self cast voltaxic burst and then have several other proc sources to boost the global stacks

[unreal sand]

its greyed out for immune to burning aground or you cant find soul of abberath?

[hexed mountain]

like level 1 cwdt voltaxic with some way to proc it

[tight plinth]

if you dont got it, you havent done the quest in act 6

[steel fable]

it also means his missing 1 passive point

[tight plinth]

if its just greyd out then you need a divine vessel and kill the required boss

[unreal sand]

ye - and I think it's the summit map boss

[winter blaze]

rip

[tight plinth]

its close to a waypoint

itll take like 2 minutes tops

[ember hemlock]

And skill point also

Worth to do

[tight plinth]

that too

[ember hemlock]

[unreal sand]

side area to Prisoner's Gate

[frigid wedge]

it does

[winter blaze]

got this now

[frigid wedge]

thats the premise of the ifnjeff one

[hexed mountain]

aight

[unreal sand]

Soon done with 2 stone, nice

[winter blaze]

how many more do i have to do?

[stoic horizon]

not yet

[unreal sand]

that should be it for being able to do altars

[stoic horizon]

still they'll have to finish

before exarch altars are rare

and they can't spam one map tier since its still in quest version

[unreal sand]

Do you need the 2nd quest too? I honestly cant remember even tho I've done it so many times

[stoic horizon]

you just need exarch

[unreal sand]

So just quest influence a few times more to get to the 2nd part of exarch, right?

[stoic horizon]

basically

[golden phoenix]

Okay, listen

Sometimes I do

I succeed a non-zero amount

[frigid wedge]

sometimes?

[frigid wedge]

proud of you

[golden phoenix]

There is evidence in the historical record of success

[unreal sand]

The key to succeeding is using all 6 portals

[frigid wedge]

as long as you have fun does there need to be proof?

[golden phoenix]

I reject your subjective perception of fun and substitute my own objective measurement which is not at all biased or imperfect in any way.

[frigid wedge]

of course it isnt

regardless good job

[unreal sand]

Don't make me binge mythbusters

[fickle glen]

Nerd

[golden phoenix]

[frigid wedge]

[golden phoenix]

[frigid wedge]

what u workin on atm

[golden phoenix]

Got a couple of things in the pipeline, most of which I can't share anything about, but one thing I'm marinating on is a way to measure player progression in a robust way

[frigid wedge]

ooh

how is that gonna work? just tracking what stuff they finish?

[golden phoenix]

That's an option yeah. Another option is tracking whether or not they've entered certain zones. Character level is also pretty useful in combination with other metrics

[frigid wedge]

thats fair

how would u track it for certain types of character tho, like sanctum builds

or heist builds

[golden phoenix]

That's another very interesting question that I don't have a good solution to yet. How do you classify a "build"? Lots of rabbit holes to go into there.

It's one of those things where it's very easy for a human to look at a build and understand what makes that build that build, but to make a computer do the same thing is hard.

[frigid wedge]

mm

i feel like the issue is a lot of ppl measure progress differently too, ive def had builds that ive done everything with at lvl 95 that feel like ive barely done anything un terms of progress

[split maple]

maybe just classify them by job they do? like if players spends 90% of time in heist its a heister, sanctum a sanctumer, boss areas etc

tho ig classifying what counts as what activity is whole can of worms on its own

[frigid wedge]

and some ppl just do voidstones and say they're done

[golden phoenix]

Is a build a heist build because the player uses it in heist?

[split maple]

tho not neccessarily a good one 😄

[frigid wedge]

someone in the server had done like 12800 ushapers or smth ridiculous recently

[unreal sand]

Depends on the category I guess? Build types could just be classified as melee, caster, hybrid of the two and etc. Which shouldn't be that hard to put into those classifications. But the focus of said builds is hard 🤔

[golden phoenix]

Is frozen legion a melee build?

[frigid wedge]

has melee tag no?

[golden phoenix]

Cast on channeling cyclone?

[thick goblet]

i mean what's the end goal of the classification, like what value/data are you trying to extract from it?
like figure out overall build diversity by some metric?

[golden phoenix]

[unreal sand]

Hybrid which I mentioned before 😄

[frigid wedge]

have to also consider the end goal of some builds tho, a hyper specialised build is gonna mark as far less progress by default than smth generic thats ok for all bosses etc

[golden phoenix]

There's a few different things I've wanted to group by build classification, but I've never found a great way to go about it

[split maple]

what progress would you even measure - like campaign completion, challenges, voids, ubers?

[frigid wedge]

seems like an interesting project but i wonder if it would always manage to fall off as a metric once boss objectives and atlas etc are finished

[golden phoenix]

One thing I looked a bit over a year ago, not long after I started at the company, was effectiveness of defensive stats. I wanted to split that by engagement type, so separating out ranged/caster/melee/proxy/etc.

[split maple]

chickens burned on jewels per week was my main metric last few weeks 😄

[brazen vector]

am I cooking

[thick goblet]

also unrelated but lily could we get an end league recap of number of divines/mirrors converted to gold in breach tree

[frigid wedge]

Alesia what are you doing

[brazen vector]

chaos convert shattershard OF COURSE

[golden phoenix]

Probably not, I'm too busy for the fun stats nowadays

[frigid wedge]

honestly all i want is to see locks on pilfer

[golden phoenix]

Also I'm not sure we've tracked/stored the gold conversions

[frigid wedge]

i dont even drop locks

[split maple]

entire currency tab on pilfer pls

[frigid wedge]

ok but why waste so many points instead of uh

1 cluster node

[thick goblet]

i feel like that's more indicative of the availability/ease of access of different defensive layers for each passive tree side
unless i'm misunderstanding

[split maple]

isnt that on crit only

[frigid wedge]

maybe

[brazen vector]

it is on crit only, 10% chance

[split maple]

get a funny ring alesia

[frigid wedge]

arent you gonna go crit anyway

[tight plinth]

original sin flask thingy

[unreal sand]

need to know how many scrolls

[frigid wedge]

smh just go ming

[brazen vector]

no idea, was just testing something for le BF and didnt see another staff cluster on first sight, could have saved 1 point

[frigid wedge]

ah ok

icl i dont thing id use bing bong without a retal build

or maybe for cool recovery stuff

[golden phoenix]

There's some really neat potential in multivariate analysis on defensive layers compared to deaths, but it's also very complicated and hard to include enough layers and edge cases to get good answers that don't mislead, so I haven't gotten that work to a point where it's useful on its own merit without a lot of additional work on top of it. Also not a huge priority and I have too many things going on as is, so it's on the backburner.

[tight plinth]

🤔

[frigid wedge]

are you enjoying working on it when you have the time to?

[brazen vector]

hes been dreaming of making it work for ages now and he will try in 3.28

[frigid wedge]

he should b dreaming of you tho? smh

[golden phoenix]

Main issue with it is that the amount of time/work compared to the potential gain isn't great. If I spend months getting incredible analysis that confirms what our very talented designers already knew, what's the point?

[winter blaze]

is this the last one?

[brazen vector]

thatd be repetitve quickly

[frigid wedge]

true

[thick goblet]

i assume sc vs hc is also very fascinating, since you get to see what defenses "actually work"

[golden phoenix]

I'm enjoying the things I do work on (most of it anyway), so not having time for my pet project is fine

[frigid wedge]

thats great to hear!

[golden phoenix]

Interestingly, when looking at HC deaths it's more useful to look at what characters survive rather than what characters die. Picture related.

[tight plinth]

that was a very interesting study

[frigid wedge]

glad you have a job you can enjoy

[golden phoenix]

10/10 best job I've ever had

[frigid wedge]

id like to say ill find smth similar in enjoyment but its highly unlikely

[golden phoenix]

Two years ago I would've said that there was no universe in which I'd end up moving 17000 kilometers and working at GGG, and yet here I am

[tight plinth]

ive had a job i really enjoyed, too bad it didnt pay no bills

[frigid wedge]

i just dk what i enjoy

im applying for physics at uni atm

[lean urchin]

ive had good co-workers at a shit job save me

[frigid wedge]

but im not passionate about it at all

[unreal sand]

yes that is the last one for Exarch

[tight plinth]

oh youre young still

[frigid wedge]

ish

im not the average age of a poe player no

im just autistic enough to catch up info wise

[split maple]

whats the avg age anyways

[lean urchin]

29

[frigid wedge]

iirc its like 38 or smth isn't it

[unreal sand]

How was the nerves about moving so far away? I'd be shaking lol

[lean urchin]

38 👴

[tight plinth]

38 is the average? no shot

[frigid wedge]

idk

its older than most games

by a decent bit

[golden phoenix]

I was nervous as hell. What if I hated the job? What if I hated my coworkers? What if I hated the country? I'd sold most of my things before moving, what if I have to go back?

Love the job, love the country, love most of my coworkers. Some of them keep beating me in board games

[frigid wedge]

and u have a lot of ppl that started in early adulthood when the game came out

which was

15 years ago ?

[frigid wedge]

not the board games

[golden phoenix]

14

[winter blaze]

alr i finished now can i do that alter farm thing>?

[unreal sand]

That is so amazing! Happy for you!

[frigid wedge]

not too far off

[unreal sand]

yessir. just t14+'s, alch & go. have fun 😄

[winter blaze]

bet

[heady cliff]

average minimum distance to mob killed, but it is likely to be computatonally expensive to track (maybe boss arenas only?); average distance to mob killed looks easy enough, but dots would be skewing the results

[lean urchin]

average logout for each hc death

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[golden phoenix]

There's so many moving parts that it's probably best to not try and make an objective measurement and instead combine vibes and intuition with data to make well-supported vibes and intuition

[frigid wedge]

"Steelmage: 563"

icl

i hate hc players that just logout macro

just go play softcore

[heady cliff]

good thing that monsters being killed calculate all those moving parts by the virtue of being killed

after all, frost blades are unlikely to be a "true" melee skill, for example

[lean urchin]

poe too fast, u cant react to mobs. u just have to tank or kill offscreen

[heady cliff]

and blade vortex is a melee spell

[frigid wedge]

ehhh

vbv isnt

and enough aoe on bv is screenwide

[heady cliff]

this is why distance to mob death is interesting to track

[split maple]

idk when was the last time i played melee that wasnt at least close to screenwide

like even earthshatter covers

[heady cliff]

thinking about it, tracking distance to white/magic/rare/unique mob deaths would be even more interesting

[frigid wedge]

i feel like with the amount of kills its kinda

a lot of extra work

for the game

and also for ggg

like u have to store that information and process it

[heady cliff]

if you are tracking it once per mob death, it is unlikely to be significant

[frigid wedge]

that's a LOT of extra lag

[heady cliff]

every skill action already involves hundreds of calcs of similar complexity to "get distance"

[frigid wedge]

considering how much lag just chain explode can cause, tracking the distance for every mob dying there is just gonna crash

[heady cliff]

nah

chain explode lags in target finding

almost for sure

[split maple]

well chain explodes make build classification even more annoying 😄

[frigid wedge]

regardless having to store that much info is a lot of processing power

[split maple]

like hive feels melee even tho explodeys offscreen

[heady cliff]

calling a lot of "get affected monsters list for skill area"

[golden phoenix]

If the distance had to be recalculated then yeah it's probably too much, but if it's already calculated for some other reason, storing it would absolutely be possible. Is it worth doing? That's more questionable in my opinion. Sure, it'd probably be non-zero usefulness, but I'm not sure it's useful enough to justify the impact it'd have in various ways, even if the impact is manageable by itself. Add enough things that individually are fine and eventually it won't be fine.

[split maple]

60k monsters is what 0.12mb

[heady cliff]

4 numbers for killed monster typed and 4 numbers for avg distance per map, not even a blip

you wont store every individual one, just total map stat

[frigid wedge]

literally changing ur mtx can reduce lag

[frigid wedge]

no idea tbh

[split maple]

mtx is a lot more computationaly intensive than a number per mob intuitively

numbers are rly smoll

[frigid wedge]

its just not a data pool that seems useful compared to the payoff

for distance

[split maple]

thats a fair point

And like some builds which don't offscreen feel ranged, while some that do feel melee

[heady cliff]

given that skill clear is a huge part of why skills are being played, even trying to somehow quantify that would likely help with balancing

[frigid wedge]

tracking the causes of player deaths in a way u can look at makes more sense as a useful thing to track relative to things during

[split maple]

Like distance to first mob counts too

[golden phoenix]

It's for sure a way that would help classify builds in a way that'd be useful when comparing them.

[frigid wedge]

u also gotta consider how ppl play that build tho

bc ppl have different playstyles for the exact same build

[heady cliff]

now that is likely out of reach for low cost statistical methods

[golden phoenix]

Imma keep it in my brain juice, maybe I'll decide it's the way to go when I get back to that project, even if I don't think so right now.

[frigid wedge]

i meant in terms of balancing around it, also just nerfing skills bc they have range is unreasonable and is exactly how u make the entire game an explode meta

but like, i personally place penance brand very close to myself, while other ppl place at edges of the screen

[heady cliff]

ofc you are not doing nerfing or buffing based on one number alone

[frigid wedge]

and its the same character

[winter blaze]

i just did 2 maps and didn't get those pop up things are they rare?

[frigid wedge]

but the player uses it different

surely an easier way to quantify clear on a build would be how many mobs die in x amount of time

[golden phoenix]

I should probably mention that this kind of statistical analysis is never used as the sole reason to buff/nerf anything, yeah.

[frigid wedge]

yeah

[heady cliff]

it would be more of outlier finding or rough comparison guide for balancing decisions

[golden phoenix]

Generally speaking, we use data to answer specific questions we have, not to find things to do.

[tight plinth]

lily do you got data on which scarabs were used the most in a league?

[golden phoenix]

Yes.

I'm not going to share it but I have it.

[frigid wedge]

yk what id like

a pilfering for scarabs

[heady cliff]

you dont track outliers in collected data?

[frigid wedge]

that'd be sick

[frigid wedge]

wouldnt outliers just be people that like specific strats

[tight plinth]

is it not allowed to be shared?

[heady cliff]

or something silently broken/overpowered/exploited

[frigid wedge]

like i imagine my count for number of nemesis scarabs used would be silly compared to other things

[heady cliff]

or other way around, really bad

[lean urchin]

random scarabs go!

[frigid wedge]

i think if there was a pilfering ring for scarabs picked up id consider buying points

[golden phoenix]

There is of course some data where we specifically look for (extreme) outliers, but we actively try to stay away from looking at data without a specific question/purpose in mind. You can find a pattern in any data, regardless of if it's there or not.

[heady cliff]

Forture Favours Truly Brave - Your map is affected by 7 random scarabs. Scarabs could not be used.

[frigid wedge]

just make it a scarab itself atp

[lean urchin]

so. 5x7 random scarabs

[split maple]

Limit=5 please

[frigid wedge]

no

1 scarab that prevents effects of others

but uses 7 random

[heady cliff]

sounds fun

[frigid wedge]

be fun

[lean urchin]

1 bazillion ghosts

[heady cliff]

ghosts in the box

[frigid wedge]

lily do you keep track of total number of kills across the league?

[golden phoenix]

Yes.

[frigid wedge]

are you allowed to share how much it spiked this week?

[lean urchin]

is it true 60 anglers plait becomes Lureweave?

[frigid wedge]

with the evolving shrine thing

[tight plinth]

oooh, can i ask whats the average amount of deaths of players in sc past level 90

[golden phoenix]

Generally I don't share data at all, other than through the community posts I don't have time for at the moment.

[frigid wedge]

thats fair enough

could you tell that something was being abused though?

[junior otter]

any bow build big brainers in the chat

[frigid wedge]

just by the change in the amount of kills

[split maple]

I think more interesting would be from lvl1 to lvl90

[frigid wedge]

we can help generally regardless

[junior otter]

on a scale of 1 to 10 how much single target dps does spectrum ele hit have

[split maple]

Since otherwise players who play more bias data

[junior otter]

at like

lowish to mid budget

or ssf gear

[frigid wedge]

its mid

at best

[golden phoenix]

That's an interesting question. Thank you, I might look into that tomorrow.

[heady cliff]

bow single targets are generally not good

[split maple]

Like 5mil at week1?

Ssf

[junior otter]

5 mil is acceptable to me

[frigid wedge]

ehots relies on storm rain to single target

without nimis

[heady cliff]

wand at least got kinetic fusiliade

[split maple]

But it won't feel like consistent 5mil dps

Since that's either fledgling or Point blank

And Both are positioning jank

[junior otter]

i guess better question is

[frigid wedge]

as a sidenote to also consider, maybe you could keep a track of people getting a certain amount of kill density when online, to prevent bug abuse faster, but maybe thats only helpful for stuff like evolving shrines

[junior otter]

am i gonna struggle to clear voidstone bosses

[lean urchin]

yall too paranoid with abuse

[tight plinth]

[split maple]

You will need to gear up more than for like slammer

But it's not too painge

[junior otter]

well yeah slammers don't even have to gear tbh

[frigid wedge]

nah i just think itd be neat to catch things like the current alva thing before it gets 2months of use bc ppl were hush about it

like ppl were using it in phrecia they just didnt tell anyone directly how it worked

might help ggg catch stuff sooner

[junior otter]

are there any bow skills with better low budget bossing power than spectrum?

[heady cliff]

evolvling would be caught by monsters/map

[frigid wedge]

that's

why i suggested kill density

[frigid wedge]

storm rain

if ur playing bows and u want single target

its always storm rain on low budget

[junior otter]

im assuming thats a gemswap strat

[heady cliff]

or ballistas

[junior otter]

storm rain clear looks suffering

[heady cliff]

but that requires moderate skill point investement

[frigid wedge]

u just put it on mfa on ur second 6 link

and it lets u do both

[golden phoenix]

Nice chatting with y'all but I gotta sleep now

[frigid wedge]

such is the qol of bows

[frigid wedge]

gn lily

[junior otter]

mmm 2nd 6l i dont see coming around in time for voidstones

[frigid wedge]

honestly mfa is one of my favourite supports

[junior otter]

how does it perform on a 4/5l

[heady cliff]

tbh shrapnel ballistas is a solution to single target too

but qol is quite in negative area

[frigid wedge]

havoc used storm rain as a 2 to 4 stone runner a couple times, it performs well

[heady cliff]

should probably be more damage than storm rain though

[frigid wedge]

fine but like, if u want it for single target u put it in the larger group

[junior otter]

i like how shrapnel ballistas sound but i dont like the idea of dumping lots of passive points into them

[heady cliff]

you need at least one wheel and preferably 2-3

most of them are at your pathing anyway

or nearby

[junior otter]

when will we return to the glory days of galvanic arrow

[frigid wedge]

storm rain is the easiest way to play a norm bow build and single target

[junior otter]

back when it was called shrapnel shot and we ran chin sol instead of a rare

[frigid wedge]

later on just drop it

if u want

[junior otter]

ok storm arrow it is

[frigid wedge]

im highly likely to play it on templar as start tbh

[junior otter]

sounds horrific

[frigid wedge]

for 3.28

swapping mfa as soon as i buy indigon

and then the build is fine

[junior otter]

isnt indigon pretty expensive nowadays

[frigid wedge]

depends on meta for the league

i think the spell dmg is gonna take a hit next league tho

[heady cliff]

that would work

[frigid wedge]

indigon has been pretty dominant recently

and i dont need the spell dmg for mfa

[heady cliff]

even single top right cluster would work

optionally you get a medium cluster as a third wheel and you have single target

[split maple]

Balistas are extra button though

Mfa isnt

[junior otter]

i dont mind extra buttons

[heady cliff]

yeah, more damage but less qol

[junior otter]

like are we talking significantly more damage than storm rain or not really that much more damage

because if its a lot ill do it

[frigid wedge]

its eh

its a bit more

iirc

but u slow down the build

[heady cliff]

significant, but storm rain would likely be enough too

if you could freeze/significantly slow bosses, you could even run arrow nova

for unethical damage

otherwise they would probably move too much for it to be more useful than other supports

hm

i now wonder if eater/exarch would die from arrow nova shrapnel ballistas while casting their ultimates

[junior otter]

wowee havoc did a 10 hour 4 stone run with storm rain

[heady cliff]

high probability of that tbh

but thats like perfect setup, everything else would be worse

izaro is another perfect target for ballistas

huge and not very mobile

kitava gets deleted by them too

[lean urchin]

me_irl

or that act 9 boss

[frigid wedge]

storm rain scales rlly well tbf, second u get additional arrows and ok flat its kinda over

[junior otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9hNG2vHJg holy moly screen aids

[frigid wedge]

the reason no one uses it is because the dps is abysmal to calculate

great skill gho

[crisp obsidian]

Pog I played that build

Tho jungs version

https://youtu.be/TZH7IZ_3CPo

[bold scarab]

Welp

Shrapnel ballista dead by next season

[pulsar dune]

I wish strstack wasn't so miserable to build, I want to do strstack ballistas

[bold scarab]

Stacking in general is miserable

[final owl]

It is pretty unsatisfactory as a primary mechanism for late stage build power tbh

[floral shuttle]

why so ?

[bold scarab]

You could say it's ballanced ... I say it's boring and doesn't feel worth any step of the process

[final owl]

I mean it is balanced in a way, it requires pretty big investment to do it well

[bold scarab]

and I like stackers as a concept

[unreal sand]

Sorry was afk to eat. Did you figure it out? And did you click the searing exarch button on the map device? They don't show every map, but should be common enough

[final owl]

but I agree that it's kinda boring

[floral shuttle]

gripe i have for stat stacking is that the gearing pattern is the same for all 3, and through leagues it doesnt change much

[karmic gust]

stat stacking in current state definitely is not balanced

[split maple]

i feel like strstacking is allright for budget needed rn

[bold scarab]

I mean unless they add new uniques that are actually good it probably will never change

[split maple]

just int/accu is ridiculus

[floral shuttle]

dex stacking is balanced 🤝

[split maple]

and to fix that just need to remove claws

[floral shuttle]

int has been the main outlier for a long time now

[pulsar dune]

Int is probably fine now unless they give them free -200 res again

[final owl]

is int just too easy or too strong or both

[past mantle]

Str stacking has been consistently extremely good for a very long time now.

[bold scarab]

Neither

[pulsar dune]

Too tanky, so if anything lets you get damage it's joever

[split maple]

int gets you tank, but is balanced with dmg issues - balance that stuff like accu stack and dory merc break

[prime hill]

es is a good defensive layer

[floral shuttle]

scaling offense + defense the hardest, and now u can scale attack speed/travel speed as well to the moon

[bold scarab]

Imagine 2 life per str like poe2 ... Blood magic would actually be fun then

[karmic gust]

yea beacuse when you suddently dont get both defense and offense from same stat you suddenly cant just dump everything in 1 stat

[final owl]

what makes it the outlier then? the whole ES angle allowing it to be both offensive and defensive?

[floral shuttle]

yup

[split maple]

strstack i feel like is balanced by lack of ergonomics

[crisp obsidian]

EE was such a balanced stacking tool 🙂

[pulsar dune]

Strstack kinda suffers from defenses, and honestly the problem is MSoZ more so than strength stacking

[past mantle]

Too strong because it solves so many issues at once.

[split maple]

ee compared to claws was like polite

[opal ingot]

i remembering playing pconc for my levelling but i dont remember what endgame build i did for that

[bold scarab]

That's why dex is the problem and not int/str uwu

[pulsar dune]

Strstack reave isn't that exceptional.

[split maple]

i feel like strstack is allright exactly due to msoz - imagine if skill that feels good was used instead

would be broken

[karmic gust]

str stack wanders are still very strong

[prime hill]

ill be real, int is 'easier' to get started

not in budget wise maybe

[past mantle]

Become a tornado shot strstacker.

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, but there are other good wanders

[pulsar dune]

It do be fun

[umbral crag]

Int feels easier because you resolve tank issues as well

[crisp obsidian]

Wait there's someone with 113k ES

In keepers

[split maple]

yea but bow and wand strstackers arent overperformers in a way zenith is

[bold scarab]

All I know is dex is the worst ... Because there's no real direct value to over stacking dex like there is for str or int

[crisp obsidian]

[prime hill]

as for me I don't like stacking meta, but I don't mind it aswell

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pulsar dune]

It's not like int/Accu where it just out scales everything all the time.

[floral shuttle]

garukhan''s flight 🤓 😂

[prime hill]

only if we had aspirational content left other than blights and loldelve

to build such builds

[bold scarab]

Evasion and accuracy both have caps

[karmic gust]

well idk about bow but for wanders only mana stack kboc is better than str stack wander pretty sure

and thats only because of turbo busted amulet

that will 100% get nerfed anyway

[split maple]

gonna bet intstack kboc beats strstack kb too

[karmic gust]

nah

[unreal sand]

one could say you're indifferent

[bold scarab]

And while life ES and mana build up slow they do still build indefinitely at all stages

[prime hill]

[karmic gust]

int stack kboc is like 1/5 of the damage or some shit

[prime hill]

im fine with stackers being inspirational builds

[bold scarab]

No

Uwu

Half that

[crisp obsidian]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/itsmemitsui-2692/_WOLF_OF_VAAL_STREET_ this build is fked

[karmic gust]

well them being the only aspirational builds is not healthy for the game

[bold scarab]

Not free but not selling a kidney

[pulsar dune]

I do wish it was feasible to get stacker power without stacking, but opportunity costs are just too high

[crisp obsidian]

Just cause of the jewels

[past mantle]

There's always a big issue of stacking a useful stat, namely a defence stat, and getting offence being way too accessible and solving too much.

[prime hill]

hire icefrog to fix non stack builds

jk

[past mantle]

Thank you icefroge.

[prime hill]

but at this point I don't think other than a full on rework

you can fix general system of poe

[bold scarab]

Every time we get good skills that scale well and feel good to scale they get gutted

[karmic gust]

we had fairly normal meta before stat stackers but then they decided to make broken heist jewellery

[prime hill]

even in poe 2 it's all stacking, and it's supposed to be a 'new look'

[final owl]

i mean there has to be some mechanism that enables late game high investment build power. it just feels a bit weak that stat stacking is.. it

[prime hill]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[split maple]

ignoring int/accu (which was blatantly too strong) idt statstacker were problematically overperforming this league

[karmic gust]

so this is def not unfixable issue

[split maple]

but okay also league was kinda way easier than usual due to atlas nerfs

[karmic gust]

its just issue ggg keep causing by themselves

[prime hill]

besides things being like this most likely help for retention when a playable stacker doesn't cost a mirror

[karmic gust]

but it is issue that was fixed multiple times during the game lifespan

[stoic horizon]

lmao imagine calling poe an mmo

[bold scarab]

Does mana stacking count as a stacker ... How about life stacking (which doesn't exist in any healthy way at all without bog witch)

[prime hill]

I love seeing stackers being strong when game is on a slight downfall

[crisp obsidian]

But then again heist jewelleries are so nice for other builds too

[prime hill]

always the same case

[prime hill]

and yep

[crisp obsidian]

Sadge stackers make them so expensive

[true falcon]

PoE has fishing, an economy, and global chat. Sounds like an MMO to me

[prime hill]

if you nerf heist rings/amulets

[split maple]

i am stating statstackers there for a reason - since bloody everything decent gets called stacker of some kind

[prime hill]

most of the normal builds gonna get nuked at high end

[split maple]

aurastack, manastack, lifestack, heraldstack...

in the end issue isnt stacking, its naming conventions

[stoic horizon]

stackstack

[split maple]

if everyone is stacking no one is

[bold scarab]

Lol

[true falcon]

Heck, I'd argue PoE is more of an MMO than some MMOs

[hoary scarab]

PoE raids getting solod by a 99,6% block chance glad

[prime hill]

wat

[crisp obsidian]

Well trade kinda is MMO

[bold scarab]

I mean the line in the sand is pretty obvious ... If your stacking a bunch of flat dmg you aren't stat stacking xD

[past mantle]

I think they need to start introducing more downsides and scaling off things that you don't necessarily want to stack.
New Breach unique rings are good for that.
Perseverance is good for that.

[crisp obsidian]

With all the items

[prime hill]

its just the trade part

[split maple]

abyss jewel stack you mean?

[final owl]

i guess a part of me just wishes later power could come from actually powerful items that weren't just stat sticks

[karmic gust]

well all the problematic builds we had before got defense and offense from same stat

[bold scarab]

Lol

[karmic gust]

i dont think lifestack is actually problematic build because you dont really get defense from it

[true falcon]

Trade and chat, really the only difference is like no content that requires groups

[karmic gust]

or at least not good one

[split maple]

i agree with your point that statstackers being the meta are kinda sadge for game state

[bold scarab]

It just outright doesn't exist to begin with

[split maple]

i just dont feel stacking in general means anything + that statstackers except int/accu aint rly that overperforming rn

[karmic gust]

it does exist, you get very good defense for bosses

[umbral crag]

We are all dps stacker at the end of the day

[karmic gust]

you get very mid defense everywhere else

[bold scarab]

We need bog witch passives to go core

[karmic gust]

so it has actual tradeoffs

[hoary scarab]

you mean the chestplate?

[bold scarab]

Both bog witch life passives

[split maple]

lifestack sure exists

[hoary scarab]

you mean nameless bloodline?

[split maple]

relic of the pact is part of meta for me

niche part but strong for sure

[umbral crag]

Phrecia stuff

[past mantle]

Disagree.
Old accuracy stacking was fine because it solved one thing for you, which was damage and made the build paper thin.
I think making hit and dot spells have a life stacking option is not good however.

[bold scarab]

Nope not good enough ... It doesnt have the flat dmg scaling based on life cost

[true falcon]

3 more days :)

[hoary scarab]

yeah it does

20% of cost as chaos

[past mantle]

This one?

[karmic gust]

that one sucks ass

[hoary scarab]

it still exists tho

and we still got witchmark to work with it

[karmic gust]

unfortunately. i hope they will do something to bloodlines

because they are too niche

[true falcon]

Is there any kind of stacking way for faster ignite tickrate I might have missed?

[karmic gust]

and even the niche effects are generally pretty shit

[stoic horizon]

90% of time none of them are worth taking

[past mantle]

Ignites deal damage faster?

[stoic horizon]

catarina bloodline was insane on dark pact though

[split maple]

farul is overperforming, nameless, breachlord (getting reworked anyways), aul feel allright, others rly needs buffs or rework

imo

[past mantle]

Trialmaster one is very good.

[karmic gust]

farul is like the only one thats generically usable

[split maple]

oh yea trialmaster is gg

[karmic gust]

so yea ofc its overperforming xd

[bold scarab]

Waiting for bleed bow bloodline passive so I can play gladiator again

[karmic gust]

aul is dogshit imo

idk why people even rate it at all

[split maple]

aul is niche but in a good way i feel

[final owl]

Aul seemed nice to combo with Oshabi :I

[past mantle]

Elementalist, duh.

[split maple]

like ben had it on kboc pob and it looked pretty ok

[prime hill]

me like aul for aurabots

[karmic gust]

aul is only useful with the amulet

[prime hill]

[true falcon]

Besides things worded that way I mean. Or is that the only way to scale it

[karmic gust]

for lik 3 builds

[split maple]

and rly good harmony with relic

niche doesnt mean bad for me for bloodline

issue is most bloodlines dont even have a niche

[past mantle]

Oshabi seals are good too, the rest of the asc isn't very useful.

[bold scarab]

Like the only real passive that works for bleed bow is +1 ring ... But all the downsides are horrible

[karmic gust]

well it is pretty bad because the effects arent worth the open sockets at all

[final owl]

they were obviously too afraid to just make all ascends use 6 and save 2 for the relevant bloodline

[pulsar dune]

Just drop flasks no?

[karmic gust]

its the other way around when you already have open sockets

then you might as well click it

[bold scarab]

ig

[karmic gust]

but it doesnt make you want to open the sockets

[past mantle]

Oshabi seals make SRS and BV qol massive.

[karmic gust]

because the effects are shit

[split maple]

i think the main appeal of it for me is on builds that can drop gloves and boots sockets

which do exist

even if you dont go for untouched

tho i also wouldnt use it in sc 😄

[onyx adder]

is that even better than just putting utility in the sockets and getting two ascendancy points back

doubt

[past mantle]

People were raving about this when it got announced. Did anyone end up using it?

[bold scarab]

Also the herald passive needs to be better

Alot better

Not for bleed bow but for hoag

[past mantle]

What herald passive?

[karmic gust]

yea beacause kaom boots are so popular

[bold scarab]

Increased buff effect per mana reserved ... Increased minion dmg per life reserved ... Only based on the heralds reservation tho

It's like 1% increased per 2% reservation

[past mantle]

It's 1% for 1%.

[split maple]

i am just thinking stuff like this: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepershcssf/character/Ben_-4007/Ben_Wander_For_a_Day?timemachine=week-3

[bold scarab]

And it's anti synergistic with elementalists herald passive

[split maple]

not rly lategame, but decent crutch in hc

week 2 snapshot without gloves, week 3 without helmet

prolly changed a bit based on content

[bold scarab]

Since her passive lowers cost thereby lowering the shitty bonuses of that passive

[past mantle]

What are you on about honestly?

[onyx adder]

yea builds that damage themselves a lot use it

[frigid wedge]

tbh its not that bad, i use it and just dont pick up reservation efficiency

[onyx adder]

as well as ssf players that dont have access to strong jewels

its not like

[frigid wedge]

i have 0 global res eff

[onyx adder]

super popular

[karmic gust]

nah that build sacrificed guard skill for it

[onyx adder]

but its useable

[karmic gust]

on mana build

that is not worth at all

[bold scarab]

Even if you had negative reservation efficiency and could reserve 100% of your life with just that one herald it would still be bad

[frigid wedge]

oh that part

[past mantle]

It lowers the mana reservation, not life reservation.

[frigid wedge]

i use it for buff effect

[past mantle]

So that doesn't apply to the life part of the asc.

[frigid wedge]

i have enough global damage mods to not bother with herald dmg

[bold scarab]

I think for the buff effect it's fine but for the other half it's horrible

[karmic gust]

thats like dropping pre-nerf molten shell instead of clicking some jewels

[past mantle]

Not like you'd go elementalist if you're going HoaG anyways.

[frigid wedge]

the buff effect is mid too

u get like 10%

at most

[bold scarab]

True

[icy blaze]

FUCK PLEASE NO I'm NOT GOING SLAMMER AS A STARTER BUILD:

Because the build is so ||FUCKIN GOOD|| and it was so ||SMOOTH|| doing it.

||Earthshatter Berserker in Keepers|| had me begging for more for how ||GREAT IT IS|| but after Foulborn Mageblood dropped, I was basically done

[umbral crag]

@opaque sphinx finally a single graft hit

[frigid wedge]

i hate slams

[robust imp]

the holy hammers looks like sunder variant

[frigid wedge]

i still havent watched it

[past mantle]

They do?

[frigid wedge]

idc for it tbh

[bold scarab]

It's a bait skill

[past mantle]

That doesn't look like sunder in any way.

[frigid wedge]

maybe it will b good

[robust imp]

slow repeating wave

[frigid wedge]

but idc for it rn

[bold scarab]

It looks like bootleg smite

[icy blaze]

I hate it too, I hate how boring it is, but damn is it fuckin good. Only a few of better melee builds I've played

[karmic gust]

yea its slam smite pretty much

it even has 2 overlaps

[frigid wedge]

so

[karmic gust]

from the vid

[frigid wedge]

consecrated path

?

[split maple]

its basically trading 2 out of 3 of crit/stun/action speed immune for arcane cloak in non-indigon build. like farul is supreme choice for build for sure, but aul honeslty makes some sense

[onyx adder]

eh wait for the gem i think

[past mantle]

After using it the player gets 3 power charges.

[heady cliff]

almost exact same coverage, just spreading from different direction

[icy blaze]

Smite Trickster was hella popular before

[robust imp]

i wonder if the hammer landing is static, so if u stack AoE u can make all hammers overlap

[onyx adder]

this is modern poe its gonna have some shit like gains extra aoe based on the number of mines u have placed recently

or something idk

[restive nova]

can i add implicits to this item without corruption ?

[icy blaze]

Fucked up my damn Hammerdin in D2r, I was such an idiot for respeccing too early

[past mantle]

I can say with certainty that it won't.

[split maple]

no

[icy blaze]

No

Enchants? yes

[split maple]

no

[past mantle]

Increasing aoe also increases the spread of aoes.

[past mantle]

Seems closer to tectonic to me.

[icy blaze]

Yes you can! You can oiled up that ring

[past mantle]

That's a helmet.

[bold scarab]

Dead skill

[split maple]

its a helmet

[frigid wedge]

not so fun fact, it's less investment to get overlaps by reducing ur aoe than by increasing it

[split maple]

there is a lot of helmet enchants in a game rn surely

surely

[icy blaze]

Oh my bad, I got no eyes today

Thought it was a ring

Enchantments on helmets actually skyrockets the price with a good base before

[past mantle]

I wouldn't trust you on that.

[icy blaze]

Now it's nothin

[bold scarab]

Kinetic rain vibes

[past mantle]

Okay.

[icy blaze]

Wonder what's getting shanked to the ground this coming patch

[frigid wedge]

me

[icy blaze]

maybe they gon hit that deadeye lightning arrow!

[frigid wedge]

im getting shanked

[icy blaze]

[split maple]

Earthshatter will be missed :/

[bold scarab]

They will nerf something that needs a buff

[icy blaze]

Couldn't be more fuckin right, WHAT THE FUCK

😭😭😭

[frigid wedge]

incoming kbolt nerf or smth

[bold scarab]

Lol

[heady cliff]

incoming map mod effect nerf

[lean urchin]

"conversion trap now has maximum 1 charge"

[past mantle]

Kbolt defo gonna get hit.

[split maple]

That's a bow buff 😄

[past mantle]

Kboc not kbolt sorry.

[lean urchin]

"bows can now be used to play on tiny violins"

[split maple]

Depends on if ammy lives or nah

[icy blaze]

They gon ram that nerf d to the ground, Earthshatter? Dead KB Wander? Dead Your mom? Dead too!

[split maple]

Baseline kboc feels allrite

[frigid wedge]

kboc was already strong enough before the base dmg buff tbf

[bold scarab]

Toxic rain gutted out of nowhere

[frigid wedge]

it didnt need it

[karmic gust]

one thing i wonder is if the aoes stop if you attack too fast with the hammer

i bet they do

[icy blaze]

Imagine if this is true wtf

[karmic gust]

soyou are forced to play it slam

[icy blaze]

[past mantle]

I really don't care about gems getting nerfed I just need 90% of the usable items not to be some kind of stat that stacks defence and offence at the same time is all.

[frigid wedge]

"toxic rain pods now require chance to hit to apply the chaos damage over time effect"

[bold scarab]

Buffed fireball by 10% ... Still worthless

[bold scarab]

Lol

[split maple]

i hope we geting unexpected cons path of endurance buffs outta nowhere - not that they matter, i just want excuse to play it

[heady cliff]

horizonal sunder instead of vertical sunder

[icy blaze]

Fireball in PoE 2 was actually worth playin but PoE 1 it is just absolute dogass

[heady cliff]

WE GOT THE TECH NOW

[past mantle]

I think the Breach rings are gonna get nerfed even if they don't need that and will no longer work with curse auras.

[karmic gust]

i think justifying farrul there requires quite a lot of copium but sure :d i would rather see the ascendancy buffed, i think main reason why ppl even consider it is because they have trickster withdrawals

[icy blaze]

Heard Cons path was like Flicker dog but controllable

[bold scarab]

Ew no even in poe2 they got better fire skills

[karmic gust]

even though its not even worth

[frigid wedge]

thats the worst part

[heady cliff]

yeah, cant have death's oath playable

[frigid wedge]

the best bit is screenwide aoe

with like 100 inc

[icy blaze]

That's true, PoE 2 players love them some meteor sauce in their build

[past mantle]

I will always love the breach rings for being actually good stacking in the game.

[icy blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-dog-gif-14542099238045824336

[past mantle]

Nothing was a better fire skill until 0.4 lol.

[karmic gust]

similar to how ppl justify purity of elements even though the aura sucks on most builds

[split maple]

hiero is 3 notable ascend for kboc and farul solves crit and helps with attack speed

like its rly ok

[heady cliff]

purity of elements is an amazing week 1 aura

[karmic gust]

oh typo

[icy blaze]

If you can see shit in PoE = bad

If you are moving too fast and you can't see a single fuckin thing = good?

[karmic gust]

i wanted to say aul

lol

[heady cliff]

i recommend it on every build

[karmic gust]

farrul is rly good for it yes

as it is fo any crit build

[bold scarab]

EF and incenerate until incenerate got screwed over in 0.3

[karmic gust]

well typo i just had brainfart

[frigid wedge]

cons path is flicker without the nyoom, ie the reason u play flicker

if ur doing cons path of endu ur doing it for aoe

[past mantle]

No, lol.

[bold scarab]

Flameblast is pretty bad

[icy blaze]

Yar right!

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[past mantle]

Frostwall fireball wasn't getting beat out by anything until it was patched out.

[karmic gust]

its impossible to make cons path fast even if you actually try

[bold scarab]

Oh wait

[karmic gust]

so thats sad

[final owl]

I mean some random skill has to catch a stray doesn't it, I thought it was a new league rule

[bold scarab]

Sorry no you right ... I got fireball and fire bolt mixed up

[frigid wedge]

having 80% effectiveness of attack speed kinda kills cons path for going fast

[icy blaze]

Feels it still exist somewhere but purple balls instead

[split maple]

fire trap nerfed again surely

[icy blaze]

CoC Fireballs literally destroys your fps if I remember

[split maple]

them rfers still having to large slice of pie

[past mantle]

I think you've gotten something wrong on everything you've talked so far.

[frigid wedge]

just keep increasing the flat dmg and decreasing the dot until ppl other than rf pick it up

[bold scarab]

No

[icy blaze]

Didn't know RF started in D2r til I started playing a damn holy fire for a Paladin this ladder season

[icy blaze]

I was like "WTF ISN'T THIS RIGHTEOUS FIRE?!"

[split maple]

surely we getting rf buffs this league

[past mantle]

Does RF need buffs?

[icy blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-a-deep-breath-nicolas-cage-history-of-swear-words-smelling-deep-breath-gif-19883465

[karmic gust]

the fire trap nerf was odd ngl

it def did not needed that

[split maple]

rebalance it for less dmg dealt and more more spell dmg

[karmic gust]

i make fun of rf players like every other person

[icy blaze]

Fuck RF itself melts bosses in endgame with good investment, I don't think they gotta put it in OP category

[split maple]

both buffs self cast & makes rfers annoyed

[karmic gust]

but that was kinda uncalled for nerf :d

[split maple]

so win win

[past mantle]

The RFers can have their comfort pick.

Idm.

[bold scarab]

Base RF ... Nerfed/buffed to like 10% burn

New rage mode RF from lab ... 200% burn

[final owl]

It would just be nice if when they did make a change to a skill they explained the rationale behind it.

[icy blaze]

I mean I never played it but I heard it's ||gay|| not actually but I find it funny seeing RF dick riders

[split maple]

it will be adorable when they nerf mamba due to accustackers and then remove claws anyways

[past mantle]

I can't bring myself to care what other people play.

[lean urchin]

IM SORRY MY HANDS HURT PLAYING POE I PLAY RF

[bold scarab]

Buff plague bearer

[karmic gust]

go play bingo instead ez

[icy blaze]

BRUH YOU AIN'T EVEN CLICKIN SHIT

[lean urchin]

bingo is more apm

[icy blaze]

You just run around with your butt naked Hierophant, dicks out and all

[split maple]

what i dont understand about rf players is how they play rf due to less clicking, then do harbs with it

like is there more clicky content

or stacked decks lol

[past mantle]

If they nerf RF, it's purple RF time aka Death's Oath.

[karmic gust]

idk how anyone doe stacked decks ngl

[bold scarab]

That's exactly why they do it ... Less clicking for the build ... More clicking for the loot

[icy blaze]

THE FUCK?! LMAO

[lean urchin]

i played all of keepers at 15% ms, yall just zoomers

[karmic gust]

that shit is just pinnacle boss of annoying farming

[bold scarab]

Also your Regen is so high on RF you can actually stand in the middle of nasty stuff to pick up loot

[final owl]

i find stacked decks way less annoying than harbies

[whole bluff]

Why do we need to brick RF? Those people give a bigger playerbase with the benefits that has, while already being more or less unable to compete except maybe through hours cuz playing it is so chill?

[bold scarab]

Most of the time you won't just randomly die

[split maple]

buff rf to keep frac orbs cheap

[native abyss]

so much snow wtf

[karmic gust]

i dont, harbies are chill if you dont click harbi currency :d

[icy blaze]

"I love gettin hit in the face" build?!

[lean urchin]

mathil cosplay on 1st monitor, rf on 2nd

[icy blaze]

Damn right baby, it's Canada!

I love snow, I love freezing my balls off when I go out

[past mantle]

We don't.

[frigid wedge]

play fulcrum or deaths oath

[icy blaze]

[karmic gust]

it would be funny

[pulsar dune]

yea RF players are nice, they just log in, do their favourite content, and sell it for pennies.

it would be very funny, true

[karmic gust]

i think that alonemakes it worth it

[frigid wedge]

rf is hilarious bc its so damn expensive but so awful for any content that makes currency

[past mantle]

RF is expensive?

[icy blaze]

That sounds about right with RF players, I just don't want to hear their Jehovah's witnesses talking about RF in my main door, just keep them out please

[heady cliff]

my condolences

[split maple]

there is one guy doing evo alvas with rf in poeladder

[karmic gust]

rf gear wouldnt even be that expensive if rf players knew how to craft

[icy blaze]

If you put the right items, yes

[split maple]

dude just plomps his ass into fractured mob map

[final owl]

no cheesing off significant chunks of the playerbase just for yucks until they fix various.. things. imho.

[lean urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/amazing-speechless-stan-twitter-ldrm3s7EuWZewM2ia9

[split maple]

and waits 15min

[icy blaze]

DON'T TEACH THEM

[frigid wedge]

it has a v big playerbase and none of them understand

[pulsar dune]

It's more that any content which RF is good at is going to be massively overwhelmed, since RF players flock to it

[icy blaze]

WE need to sell em good ass jewels, like the one I made