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[hexed mountain]

yeah i guess , if you're close its just a few points might be worth taking on lightning only

[gritty garnet]

who plays lightning only when ls is still a thing

[karmic gust]

the base range is like 6 metres of regular chain

or something

[hexed mountain]

seems much much easier to get every strike to hit the boss with penance on wildstrike than lightning strike , also its not lightning strike which is nice

[karmic gust]

its not even worth grabbing

[hexed mountain]

aight

[karmic gust]

because its already too big

arc and uh

exsang have both smaller range

and soemthing else i think?

storm brand most likely idk

[onyx adder]

Storm brand base chain radius is dogshit

[gritty garnet]

you can also grab it with acrobatics impossible escape if you ever need it for some new skill that doesn't chain quite enough

[last light]

People still use storm brand?

[karmic gust]

people would if it was possible to do damage with it :d

10/10 skill

still more damage than worb

[hexed mountain]

storm brand used to be such a cool skill

[last light]

yeah I figured. Always seems to be wintertide or penance when it comes to brand

[gritty garnet]

well it's only the 2nd worst brand skill

next to https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Brandsurge

[hexed mountain]

i'm surprised people dont even play stormbrand of indecision with the free +1 chain from runegraft

[karmic gust]

brandsurge at least can do damage

[hexed mountain]

i guess penance is just too good

[karmic gust]

stormbrand cant even do that

[last light]

is general's call still bjorked?

[onyx adder]

Indecision doesnt do enough damage to be particularly playable

It was good for 1 league

Very good even

[hexed mountain]

it was broken even

[onyx adder]

Not in context

It was just very good

[hard cliff]

every class in Mirage is gonna get a Phrecia ascendancy

the mirage wish is the alt universe ascendancy

[hexed mountain]

which is funny because penance brand was even more broken

[karmic gust]

i def wouldnt say it was broken

and they for sure did not needed to nerf it that hard

[onyx adder]

I described it before league start as A-tier skill

Then i played it all league

Stand by my initial comment

[onyx adder]

Agree

[cobalt blade]

did some very basic testing took a bit to get a character setup to not kill them but it is giving balls per targetyes

[hexed mountain]

did really get to play it because i picked penance

[last light]

it'd kinda be boring if the league was just Phrecia access for every class.

[onyx adder]

Lost 1/3 of its damage and had its cast speed ruined

[hexed mountain]

and penance was doing ungodly amounts of damage then GGG went like "oops it's bugged here's x2 damage"

[onyx adder]

I would have played penance at league start

[cobalt blade]

better screenshot where you can see 4 balls from them since base molten strike

[onyx adder]

But if u look at discord my messages for all day 1 were all DESPAIRGE CANT FIND PBOD GEM

So i settled for indecision since it was obviously good but not as obviously broken as penance

[cobalt blade]

what im pretty sure that patch note means @karmic gust is that you couldnt melee splash it ancestors calls are a separate hit

and i already knew it worked like this since its a noticeable damage up in delve but might as well prove it

[karmic gust]

hmm pretty sure i was getting less when i was testing it and that one is also missing 1 or 2 proj looks like, but close enough to be all of them maybe its just behind something

[cobalt blade]

yeah its hard to position the mobs enough for it to be completely visible for all of them

but its very noticeable lmao

can see 14 on it with +3 strikes so only 2balls missing and they probably hit the wall honestly

[crisp obsidian]

so what you are saying is that molten strike with penance mark is crazy abuse

[cobalt blade]

i mean technically yes but then youd have to equip stuff to not kill the ghosts and your also losing a ring slot

on a build thats would be using nimis

you probably just get more damage actually wearing gear

[peak heron]

ive seen enough nerf it into the ground

[karmic gust]

well you have 2 ring slots but also you wouldnt get damage from phantasms behind you

so worse than just using aoe skill

[onyx adder]

The optimism required to believe molten is ever gonna overlap even one time at the distance penance mark ghosts spawn

[cobalt blade]

vaal cyclone to pull them in so your slower proj ms actually hit

[karmic gust]

you cant knockback them

[cobalt blade]

ah no fun

is vaal cyclone counted as a knockback?

[karmic gust]

well you cant void sphere them either so either its that or whatever void sphere does :d

[cobalt blade]

doesnt sphere only suck killed enemies

[crisp obsidian]

yes

[onyx adder]

No

[karmic gust]

it pulls stuff closer no, the sucking of corpses is separate

[onyx adder]

It destroys corpses of killed enemies

It also sucks in live enemies

[karmic gust]

like wasnt there whole tota meta

[onyx adder]

Yer

[cobalt blade]

it was ran in tota because it hindered mobs im p sure

[hexed mountain]

i'm so glad that crap never went core

rest in piss quill rain knockback builds

[fringe ermine]

I cannot sleep and was thinking about nodes to rework on sabo

[cobalt blade]

honestly its been long enough since ive had to touch the skill for tota tho i dont really remember

[karmic gust]

well tota would be fun if it did not devolved into degenerate meta

[hexed mountain]

the nodes to rework on sabo are the mine and trap nodes

nobody's picking sabo to play mines so they're failing

at their only job

[tight plinth]

i loved tota

[karmic gust]

sabo only rly needs some buffs to nodes not whole rework

[tight plinth]

i think itd fun if it wasnt the main thing

[hexed mountain]

tbh the only time i see sabos is people picking it for triggerbots and then grabbing the decent nodes since they have to

[karmic gust]

but the aoe damage node should be reworked its way too specific for no reason

[fringe ermine]

they play mine trickster and forbidden jewels are born in the shadows

and trap they play pathfinder lmaao

[karmic gust]

if that one was actually valid damage node for other builds than hit aoe then yournode choices would be a lot better

actually this whole area is kinda messed up ngl

you have return there, then aoe hit damage and 3rd node that is best for poison builds (but crit poison builds have ungils so they dont give a shit either)

[onyx adder]

That 3rd node is best for 0 builds

Actually right now sabo is best for 0 builds unless ur going full turbo meme

[hexed mountain]

its good in ssf for BB of unloading

since there's no world in which you can get the FF

[crisp obsidian]

when was the last time GGG teased a spell

[onyx adder]

Idk im not hyping anything without numbers anyway

Ppl get so excited and then the skill is conflagrate

Or crackling lance

[final owl]

I already said this, but was told getting hyped without any concrete info was fine. incorrect!

[onyx adder]

Or any of the other 5 billion times

U can get hyped if u want

Im not stopping u

Im saying im not getting hyped

[final owl]

no I asked the internet police, straight to jail would you believe

[chilly chasm]

is there a way to have a skill be cast as an aura?

example, Despair?

[crisp obsidian]

blasphemy

but it will be ass with pconc

cause the range is not that big

[chilly chasm]

thank <3

[peak heron]

think the whole point of not putting a whole lot of info (teasers/trailers) was to not get us as hyped as last league player retention 3.27 was the worst since affliction
think the issue is when the community is too hyped for something our expectations on what they will deliver is far more than the resources at hand

[onyx adder]

Range is like vaguely okay with a lot of levels and quality on the gem and on blasphemy

[final owl]

the reason this was the case had nothing to do with how much they hyped anything beforehand

it's because they've been cooking various problems into the game and kicking the can down the road for a long time

We get to see if they pull any rabbits out of the proverbial hat for 3.28

[crisp obsidian]

well yeah but he is in act3

not gonna have a lot of qual

[crisp obsidian]

btw are you aware that a new league is starting in a little over a week?

[chilly chasm]

D: no i was not

i'm legit brand new to the game

just about 10hrs

[onyx adder]

I think ppl try and extrapolate retention stats to fit whatever point they want to make

[peak heron]

im not sure about that it was said "breach is one of the most beloved mechanics" by ggg a lot of push back by the community based on reworked breach

[crisp obsidian]

ah well just be aware that your current character will transfer to standard(the default game) and everyone will be starting fresh in the upcoming league

[onyx adder]

Im not really convinced retention or reddit or discord or streamer videos forms a ton of input into ggg's decision process

[crisp obsidian]

6th of march to be specific

[onyx adder]

Its probably the one game dev out there that just does whatever they want more than anyone else and goes lul playerbase has skill issue

[chilly chasm]

i come from TLI, so i'm familiar with the transfers. wonder what i'll do next league for campaign...

[cobalt blade]

in the case for league retention imo it was poe2 and a lack of new interesting end game strats and tree causing people to reach their goals earlier from easier gearing

[onyx adder]

Yea tree was super trash for progression curve

[cobalt blade]

all 3 combined +async faciliating tree gear

[final owl]

That wasn't the pre-hype that was just the fact that the breach rework kinda sucked. but the retention aspect is many factors (imho) not just the league mechanic kinda sucking

[onyx adder]

Idk if i quit faster because of that

It was more because i got bored of build

[crisp obsidian]

I mean pconc most likely will either stay similar or get a small buff so it's not a bad choice to learn

[onyx adder]

But it didnt help me personally

Thats for sure

[spice pecan]

average loot from 8mod t16 full juice legion

[cobalt blade]

i personally didnt because i eclipse the potential if its gear fast every league but i know some frens that did

Like they didnt really have upgrades they felt were worth going for because tree

[gritty garnet]

I was expecting more breach in the shape of cylinders or cones

[crisp obsidian]

I quit fast cause there were no fun strategies

just like the past what 3 leagues

[final owl]

I mean, walls in maps overall made mapping worse. just.. unarguably worse. That was a bad call. A poor, poor choice for a mechanic to do that. I hope they have learned that specific lesson at least

[crisp obsidian]

outside of 8mod map farming with ores

and evo shrine shenanigans outside of alva

[cobalt blade]

yeah same or the fun strategies not being rewarding(/lack of ability to run valdo maps from again lack of rewarding strats to print em)

[final owl]

even evo alva can't get me to persist with keepers because I can't make the evo shrine thing work reliably :I

[onyx adder]

Honestly the visual issue with breach hives made me more annoyed than walls or mob replacement

Everything so fucking purple

[cobalt blade]

dont kill mobs after picking up the evo shrines until you enter an alva

that seems to make it work consistently

[final owl]

I am really trying to avoid it deliberately I can assure you

somehow this is hard in deli maps

[cobalt blade]

Fair enough

quick brutality+ void manip swap

[onyx adder]

Honestly i think poe2 has made me burn out of poe1 faster

Ive just had too much poe recently

Between poe1, poe2, events

Im not hyped for 3.28 but imma want to try whatever build i make

So i'll play for that

[cobalt blade]

ez solution delete 2

[final owl]

I have stopped investing much time into PoE2 "leagues" I play just long enough to have a look at new things and see how it feels then just drop it

my reviews of 0.3 and 0.4 = "better but far from there yet"

[onyx adder]

Yea i aint gonna talk about it much in here but suffice it to say that i should just play poe less

In general

[final owl]

interesting that we're waiting on endgame reworks for both currently

[onyx adder]

Endgame is one of the hardest bits to get right

Makes sense that theyre in need of work

[cobalt blade]

i do think 2 needs one more desperately but i hope they focus more on 1

[final owl]

no arguement there

[cobalt blade]

2's endgame is questionable

[final owl]

I expect 2 to have endgame issues given it is still in the process of being fleshed out

poe1 has much less excuse for it

[cobalt blade]

i do think the base for 1's endgame is good they just need to not delete the hard rewarding strategies and add actual ground loot back

the best strategies being scarab and box farming is boring as hell with how shitty your character can be and still run them fine

[onyx adder]

Delete tree delete kingsmarch add ground loot and pull back a bit on juicing strats that multiply base loot to not have them be absurd

And thats my whole wishlist

[hexed mountain]

best strategy should be 100% deli juiced maps

if you can run T17 100% deli you deserve the loot

[onyx adder]

Realistically the best i can hope for is nerfed tree and kingsmarch

But i can dream

[cobalt blade]

this but give us a toggle for deli grey

[opaque wing]

No toggle until 30 days of reddit posts about deli fog but on the PoE1 reddit

[onyx adder]

I still dont understand why ggg didnt implement well rolled rares as part of ground loot

Its been in the game for AGES

Since like 3.7 or some shit idk

[cobalt blade]

so they could make it unique to 2 with those tiered loot drops

[onyx adder]

And they dont want to add it baseline

[cobalt blade]

but yeah I'd love heist well rolled rares dropping

[hexed mountain]

yeah they could do the scarab thing

[onyx adder]

They dont even need to be as good as heist

[hexed mountain]

make rares more rare endgame but when they drop its tier x rares

[onyx adder]

Just better than alch and go

[gritty garnet]

memory strands were a mistake

[fringe ermine]

I was thinking about impaling

[cobalt blade]

i think their good but implemented badly

and in such a way their only really useful for some mirror crafts/fossil crafts

and you basically never id a good rare from a natural drop

[fringe ermine]

memory strands would be great in poe2

[onyx adder]

Idea was fine

Implementation is undertuned

[hexed mountain]

memory strand feels like they dont exist tbh

i havent crafted with them once in keepers

[onyx adder]

Theyre just undertuned

Especially as the raw drop

[gritty garnet]

the only time I've found good ones was after they added merchant tabs

[cobalt blade]

they have use cases for fossiled items with abyss sockets

[hexed mountain]

they should be stronger and the bosses need to drop them 100% of the time

[onyx adder]

They have occasional crafting uses

[pseudo axle]

an 8k stack of yellow harvest juice is pretty good right? from a crop rota strategy?

[onyx adder]

But ur never expecting to id one and go fuck yes sexy rare

[cobalt blade]

since you can use it to force upgrade the 2 non abyss socket suffixes to more than likely go from t3-1

[steel light]

no one cares about strand on a base drop, those that care orbs it for mirrorcrafting 👀

[cobalt blade]

yeah they need to be better id'd

[hexed mountain]

issue is i'm in ssf at best i got 1-3 of each orb during the league (unless i focus farm the memory strand bosses)

[onyx adder]

Thats ok tho

[gritty garnet]

and I always need to remember what petals effects are on this stupid map vs the last one I ran

[hexed mountain]

and they're just not worth farming in their state

[onyx adder]

If farming stuff in ssf is unreasonable its just a stretch goal

If u need it

And if not then im not gonna complain

[fringe ermine]

all these things related to memory strand, those three new bosses and Uber are badly implemented in my vision

[cobalt blade]

I just press the buttons without reading now gave up tryna keep track of em

[onyx adder]

Its when stuff is bad for everyone i complain

[fringe ermine]

the uniques are good though

[cobalt blade]

rebind them to 2/4

[onyx adder]

Yea ngl its all too small in the 4k ui lul

I got nfi what i pressed

Sometimes i get rando hh buffs theyre sweet

[cobalt blade]

Same but 1440p here

[final owl]

how do we feel about the idea of tiered rares coming to poe1. I forget who i've seen suggest this recently. is it in ziz's latest one. I don't remember.

[cobalt blade]

Ziz's vid yea

[final owl]

I think it would be cool to be able to believe actually good items could drop in a map

[cobalt blade]

I think theyd need to be somewhat rare drops so they dont cause the same problem as tree (but I'm all for them making random rare drops rarer if their worth iding)

[final owl]

that weren't T1/0 uniques or whatever

yes that's fine make them rare. T5 can even be in the same ballpark as raw div drop rare. whatever works

[wintry lily]

You will identify that scrap rare and get 5 alch shards and you will enjoy it.

[full lava]

hello mr can i ask you som question

?

[final owl]

Sure. I might be the least poe knowledgeable person here, but I am happy to be asked and not know the answer.

[onyx adder]

Thats an alternative to well rolled rares

Im ok with it tentatively

Im not sure its good enough

[final owl]

I don't think anything like this would be more than a bandaid for the current state of loot tbh

[full lava]

im following this guide in path of building and his tree looking different from mmine

his looks like this

looks what it looks mine

[final owl]

right, they have rolled themselves a 3 passive medium cluster

[full lava]

'what am i doing wrong?

[final owl]

you have used a large?

[cobalt blade]

the cluster has mods on it

[full lava]

yes

i sure have all the ring items too

[hexed mountain]

you have the wrong cluster

[full lava]

i dont thing im missing any

[final owl]

you want a medium cluster is all

[cobalt blade]

the one in their path of building has what looks like burning bright or wrapped in flame prismatic skin and widespread destruction?

[final owl]

a large cluster forces you to spend more passives to gett the notables

[full lava]

i can show the guide im following on path of buidling

[final owl]

we like pob links here

[full lava]

ill show

[hexed mountain]

go ahead but clearly you're using a spell damage cluster and he's using a fire damage cluster

[full lava]

.

[final owl]

ah you probs wanna convert that to a pobb.in link

[cobalt blade]

theres a button to convert it to pobbin instead of a few thousand characters

[tranquil sedge]

his cluster has 3 skills on it, yours has 1 - different mods
and his is an 8 node cluster, yours is more - different size

[cobalt blade]

next to where you export

[full lava]

https://pob.cool/poe1#=https://pobb.in/u/paintmaster%232396/d0hQzzH1K8rl

[final owl]

yeah, as I was trying to say, you're using the wrong type, and wrong size of cluster jewel

[full lava]

ill try using the medium jewel then?

[final owl]

wait

well

[full lava]

his passives a diff from mine

[final owl]

what you have linked is the build guide I assume

[full lava]

which confuse me

[final owl]

don't listen to me, listen to the pob 😛

if it's large use large

[full lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_p5QB1sKHc&t=35s

[tranquil umbra]

we are ALL leaguestarting holy hammers

[final owl]

just use the same type of large cluster

[full lava]

this the guide im following

[hexed mountain]

"leaguestarter" "atziri's rule"

[full lava]

i have all the items right

[hybrid harness]

unironically if numbers look good

[full lava]

the thing that confuse me is the passive tree

[crisp obsidian]

no thanks

fuck attacks

[hexed mountain]

not the cluster but yeah its not a starter

[crisp obsidian]

and especially slams

[tranquil umbra]

fair enough

[gritty garnet]

plot twist they're hammer minions

[tranquil umbra]

ok actually why all attacks

[final owl]

sure, you're using the wrong type of cluster jewel and / or you havent rolled the one you have correctly

[hexed mountain]

will also depend a lot on area of effect working/not working for overlap

[cobalt blade]

the cluster has these mods on it in their pob

[tranquil umbra]

I understand slams but what did attacks do to you

[cobalt blade]

you need to get a cluster with added passive skillbis prism heart smoking remains and doryanis lesson or it will be different

[final owl]

attacks had the temerity of being melee skills

[full lava]

how do i find the right one.. i thought its any large jewels..

[gritty garnet]

cluster jewels have an enchant which determine what notables can roll on it

[final owl]

you need to get one with the same implicits (increased fire damage) and then roll the same notables on it. it's a bit of a job.

[gritty garnet]

and itemlevel as well

[tranquil sedge]

you look at what they have
then you buy something similar you can afford

don't even bother trying to craft it, it is simply not worth the headache as a new player to craft cluster jewels.

[gritty garnet]

I assume the important part on that cluster is doryani's lesson for leech since sabo already gets blind

[final owl]

or you look at your ~1k alts and think "she'll be right I'll just roll my own!" and cross your fingers

[tranquil sedge]

post the trade link too

[full lava]

i did try the vivid bliss large jewel there is non i cant find

[final owl]

don't search the vivid bliss part

[full lava]

im js using the market in game

[gritty garnet]

never search rares by name

[cobalt blade]

You might not need those exact mods to fit the notables but ye https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/zbJqwlYvh4

[final owl]

you need to search the specific notables as Naca just showed

[cobalt blade]

was gonna was just still typing :p

[full lava]

that expensive that i thought it would be

[tranquil sedge]

'vivid bliss' is the name of the jewel but names are randomly generated for every single rare item in the game

you want to search for modifiers/etc. not names

[full lava]

tysm

ill uhmm idk how to thet that divine lol

i thought it would be cheap like 1 div

thats all my budget

yikes

[tranquil sedge]

then you buy something similar you can afford
if you can't afford it, you get something worse and use it until you can

its not a big deal

[crisp obsidian]

ackshually rare names are not completely randomly generated 🤓

[onyx adder]

Its a shame blind is useless atm

Disorienting display is one of the best sources of it

[cobalt blade]

pita to check what can be changed to still hit the same 2 in front on mobile otherwise id do that quickly

[tranquil sedge]

sec

[full lava]

another thinggg

[tranquil sedge]

the cheapest jewel with at least 2 of those notable skills is 2 divines

i would just consider going for something cheaper in that case

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/9zQvM6OzTK

smth like this perhaps

u can see it will have one smaller circle here instead of a skill but that's fine i think

[full lava]

thanks for help so much how bout this one

[onyx adder]

Doryani's lesson kind of annoying to roll is why

Its got some bullshit weight

[tranquil sedge]

ugh militant faith

i need to look it up sec

[cobalt blade]

militaint faith is a pita since you have to make sure it doesnt transform any of your nodes

but the main thing that matters is being dominus carved for inner conviction

[full lava]

this the one that i want but i cant get the right passive so im basically wasting hard grind chaos orb

[tranquil sedge]

well yea the guide's not expecting you to get the same number

[hexed mountain]

my man you wont get the same with chaos orbs

[tranquil sedge]

it just has to be

• dominus
• have one or both of those mods (area damage per devotion and effect of non damaging ailments per devotion)
• not transform any notables in radius

i think the cheapest jewel that meets this criteria will be 1 div based on some quick checking

[full lava]

this the passive i need

this what i get

[tranquil sedge]

you really do need to read what people type

[tranquil sedge]

^ naca said here

dominus is important on the jewel

[tranquil umbra]

inner conviction my goat

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/opVb8LKYcl

a jewel thats identical in function to the guide starts at 1 div+, double-check it yourself before you buy by putting it in pob and seeing.

[cobalt blade]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/pJwjmeEet0

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/02L8GJwwIg

found 2 1 div ones with both mods you could probably find cheaper but spamming that many trade links gets annoying fast

(both brick no nodes )

[tranquil sedge]

yea there u go ^

[full lava]

how you guys find stuff so easy wth

thanks

again

[tranquil sedge]

because we did it before

[full lava]

im only 70 houyrs into the game

[cobalt blade]

find timeless jewels at the bottom of pob

[full lava]

it so confusing for me

[cobalt blade]

and then just set those settings

[tranquil sedge]

one day ill learn to use this lol

[cobalt blade]

and make sure to protect nodes

[cobalt blade]

its so much easier tbh for lethal prides

[onyx adder]

U play ssf tho dont u

[tranquil sedge]

no

[onyx adder]

Oh ok its kinda essential in trade

[tranquil sedge]

i use the website version

[onyx adder]

If ur doing anything other than copying build

[full lava]

@cobalt blade @tranquil sedge thank you guys

[tranquil sedge]

i haven't learned to use the pob version lol

[full lava]

found both of them now

[cobalt blade]

yeah i live search jewels from league start to snipe cheap ones for my build

[full lava]

now js gotta grind chaos

and for divines too

[onyx adder]

Pob version better it lets u iterate options to find stuff thats better than what u thought u wanted

[full lava]

that i goota research

[cobalt blade]

(well if i remember sometimes forget/dunno the build)

[tranquil sedge]

web version does that too

[crisp obsidian]

wait they finally added that protect allocated nodes part? POG

[tranquil sedge]

but ill give pob one another go this league ig

[cobalt blade]

it was available before just more scuffed

[crisp obsidian]

now I can finally use pob instead of the website

[zinc olive]

Are the servers not working? I cant load in

[cobalt blade]

you had to do total devotion and calculate the devotion you needed on your larges to protect them all

it was cursed but worked

[onyx adder]

Website version cant sort timeless by dps right

[crisp obsidian]

yeah I know and it is cursed

as hell

so website was better

[tranquil sedge]

no it cant ye

[cobalt blade]

ye it cant

[cobalt blade]

ye

[onyx adder]

Trying to do glorious vanity without the calculator always used to give me a mad headache

Id always be like FINE fuck it i'll just path somewhere that it doesnt fuck my tree

[cobalt blade]

GV not in pob is pure pain

[onyx adder]

Thats the best i can hope for

[gritty garnet]

I usually end up having to put it in one of the cluster sockets yeah

[cobalt blade]

before timeless calc i used to just buy gv's until it hit something good

on the smalls/+w/e close notables

think i had to buy like 10 or so on an old arakaali xibaqua build

[onyx adder]

I still do this in ssf

Except its divines

[cobalt blade]

in ssf id happily divine

ye

[crisp obsidian]

isn't GV super easy to search for

huh

[cobalt blade]

i did specify not in pob :p

[crisp obsidian]

yeah on website

it's super easy too no?

[cobalt blade]

website for it and pre timeless calc it was asss

cant sort by dps so you have to keep importing and comparing

and you dont know how much tankiness x node will give you combined with y

[onyx adder]

Divine --> check 3 different tree spots --> brick --> divine --> wrong keystone x4 --> divine --> two mediocre notables and correct keystone --> go FINE THATS ENOUGH

[tranquil umbra]

this shit is so good

[wraith rock]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201

holy hammer

[crisp obsidian]

ig if you are looking for the perfect one, but you could setup weights if you knew how your build scales

which was more than enough

I found really really good ones every league

[cobalt blade]

even with weights its a pain but less so yeah

[final owl]

I just got for close enough + is actually for sale

[cobalt blade]

same usually try get top 5-10 jewel for my build assuming best is too pricy

[pseudo axle]

Atziri's Rule is such a cool unique tbh

[full lava]

i like it

[tranquil umbra]

when I was searching for brutal restraint for a dex stacker I just sorted by highest dex 😭

[cobalt blade]

i mean hey its probably good enough

[onyx adder]

I mean if ur stacking thats probably close enough

[cobalt blade]

Top 5% of jewels for your build atleast

[onyx adder]

Nice thing about stacking is u get to turn ur brain off

[full lava]

i js dont know how to find the right jewel

[tranquil umbra]

problem was I had to search all 3 rulers

and that shit

took FOREVER

[full lava]

@cobalt blade how do tou find the right exact jewel?

[cobalt blade]

understanding how my build scales and what the minimum of x node i need is (ex 2 rage on hit)

[full lava]

for example im looking for this jewel how do i start?

[cobalt blade]

and then adding weights to the mods based on roughly how much damage/tank they give

[tranquil umbra]

oh I'm not saying I got a bad jewel by any means
it was just a pain to find but that's what you get for trying what is essentially a seed finder

[cobalt blade]

~added passive towering

~added passive vast power

and then ~enchant passives and make it max 5

~ means wild card search so you don't need to type exactly

[full lava]

is it in the game market?

[cobalt blade]

I dont actually know if wild card works there I don't use the ingame one

[full lava]

what do you use? POB?

[tranquil umbra]

don't you need an addon for this

[cobalt blade]

But if it does yea

[cobalt blade]

no

[full lava]

if yes where in POB

[tranquil umbra]

I swear you used to

[cobalt blade]

on trade site

[tranquil umbra]

but yeah fuzzy search is

[tranquil umbra]

very nice

[cobalt blade]

and repeat for everything else

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/4mMqneLgF9 ex

[full lava]

OOOOH

lemme try

[tranquil umbra]

finding replica dragonfang with exact search without looking at the wiki

[cobalt blade]

havent needed to since i started playing the game in scourge atleast

p sure i was using it back then and never installed a trade addon

and i do it on mobile too

[full lava]

found it

yahoo

[cobalt blade]

uh do 5 or 4 passive

6 passive requires you to spend an extra point

[cobalt blade]

^

adds # passive skills

[tranquil umbra]

should just teach him how to craft clusters

[cobalt blade]

i think getting a new player to alt clusters will make them quit

[tranquil umbra]

so true

thank god I can just reforge chaos for my clusters

[full lava]

nah dont worry i will learn

[cobalt blade]

fair enough

[full lava]

found the one im looking

[tranquil umbra]

awesome

[full lava]

this build stress tf out of my computer lol

[tranquil umbra]

what is it

oh the atziir's rule thing

[full lava]

atziri the staff

[edgy acorn]

What is happening with GGG, 6 second teaser?

[tranquil umbra]

yeah some builds will make your pc kneel

[full lava]

it was crazybut fun asl

[peak heron]

the community is getting ragebaited

[dark sigil]

New slam skill looks cool. I hope it's any good

[edgy acorn]

I hope it dosent get kinetic rain treatment

[fickle glen]

It looks like a Templar skill

[wintry lily]

Eh i'll take a 6s skill teaser over ggg making a fake build doing fake damage into some white mobs again

[dark sigil]

Worse. It will get the toxic rain treatment. Aoe will make it spread out instead of getting bigger so it can't overlap

[tranquil umbra]

concentrated effect

[dark sigil]

It's a shame I'd have to play melee to use it

[fickle glen]

It’s probably mace related

[dark sigil]

Even worse. Unless maces or two handed weapons are getting some big buff or rework I can't imagine that working well in its favour

[tranquil umbra]

it does say "hammer"

which means it will be a mace skill

[dark sigil]

Sadge. Dead in the water

[wintry lily]

ggg : you fools, its actually a staff skill.

[tranquil umbra]

staff is fine too

[wintry lily]

it wont matter to me anyways

[tranquil umbra]

staves have some insane nodes in the tree

[wintry lily]

I despise how all slams feel anyways

and no amount of investment fixed it for me

[tranquil umbra]

everyone has their preferred playstyle

[wintry lily]

the only way you could get me to use any slams is if it wasn't me using it

[tranquil umbra]

if you don't like them it's fine

[fickle glen]

It’s for the roided Gandalf

[wintry lily]

its not even the playstyle I hate, I just depise how they all feel clunky no matter what

this is unfortunately an entirely subjective feeling

so what I hate is simply not a thing up for change nor debate

if you want a playstyle I hate it would be ballistas

[fickle glen]

But slams are meant to be slow and devastating

[tranquil umbra]

you can roid a berserker to have the craziest aps ever with slams

speed is NOT a primary issue

[onyx adder]

Tbh it often is

Ppl go deep down the warcry path because pob number big

Warcries cap your aps pretty hard for a couple of reasons

[tranquil umbra]

ig yeah

[onyx adder]

And lock you out of multistrike

[tranquil umbra]

I mean doesn't multistrike need a strike skill

[onyx adder]

No

[tranquil umbra]

huh

[wintry lily]

either ways, i'll probably still be on pathfinder cope anyways

too addicted to flasks

[fickle glen]

Can be used with most melee skills

[wintry lily]

[dark sigil]

I just had a cool idea for a spell.
Hear me out, phys dot staff only spell that infects one enemy then chains to 2 more and that repeats untill it can't reach nearby enemies. Make it locust themed.
Let my people go style build. Like some weird phys contaigon but no aoe component and instead it's a proj that chains.

[wintry lily]

I stopped reading at phys dot

[tranquil umbra]

that's just worse contagion

[tranquil sedge]

also sounds like worse corruption fever ngl

[onyx adder]

I agree

That sounds good

[wintry lily]

not even to be mean

just phys dot

[onyx adder]

Except lets make it blood themed

[dark sigil]

Yes but its thematically cool

[onyx adder]

That sounds sweet

[tranquil sedge]

i like this argument

[onyx adder]

And give it a slow cast time for balance

[tranquil sedge]

unironically

[tranquil umbra]

and now you have exsanguinate

[onyx adder]

Lets say 0.8

[tranquil sedge]

"for fun" is still a good factor

[crisp obsidian]

..exsanguinate?

[tranquil sedge]

but ye

its really similar already

[wintry lily]

Exsang locust mtx /s

[dark sigil]

No exanguinate is better since not locked to staves and chains are instant instead of on death

[dark sigil]

I'd be happy with this I guess

[tranquil sedge]

if you think its better why ask for something worse

-# they can make existing stuff worse no problem without player help lmaoo, the ggg playbook

[fickle glen]

Exsanguinate is such a nasty skill, why does it shoot your guts at enemies 🤢

[wintry lily]

Hexblast

[dark sigil]

For cool factor. I'm tired of running top teir meta builds that look boring like lightning strike and mamba

[tranquil sedge]

what a tragic nerf

[tranquil umbra]

they can also make not existing stuff worse prior to their release

[wintry lily]

Just give me back doom stacking hexblast

I don't care

Whatever it is right now is just pitifully worse than oldest hexblast

[tranquil sedge]

fwiw everyone's on the mamba meta right now just coz of that claw

[onyx adder]

Sounds like an mtx angle

[tranquil sedge]

i think that claw will be nerfed when it goes core

[dark sigil]

Mamba good but so boring

[tranquil sedge]

coz i sure as heck dont remember ppl hyping mamba this much in the past

like poison mamba sure but not hit mamba this much

[dark sigil]

Though if pc sucks mamba op for frames

[onyx adder]

Eh its probably overtuned if its better for hit based strikes than the uh

Actual hit based strikes

[tranquil umbra]

ok wow that nerf is a fucking tragedy

[onyx adder]

That is not ideal

[tranquil umbra]

2 second cooldown time XDDDDD

[wintry lily]

Dont worry, everyone is just gonna play Slayer melee ele hit

[tranquil sedge]

ill just take some buffs to underused skills for $200, alex

come on ggg

cook

[wintry lily]

cant even fucking use it to clear with self cast poison hexblast anymore, actual travesty

[tranquil sedge]

stop nerfing shit just buff a dozen skills into relevance please

[dark sigil]

Not only is it overturned but it's literally exactly dual strike or whatever the skill is called but every portion of mamba is better than it poison or hit. Dual strike literally power crept out of existance

[fickle glen]

Everyone is riding the meta train?

[hard cliff]

fireball 90% more DE

[tranquil sedge]

not everyone*
just lots of people

which is no surprise, thats how every game plays out

[onyx adder]

Ambidexterity is competitive with mamba purely dps wise

[tranquil sedge]

it would unironically be great

just buff the shit out of things nobody is playing

like that is literally all 3.25 melee buffs were

[onyx adder]

But its less flexible with weapons and it attacks slower so isnt as comfortable to play

[tranquil sedge]

multiply the damage numbers and delete totems

thats all it was

[fickle glen]

Real men make their own builds without copying others

[hard cliff]

and it was awesome

[tranquil sedge]

im an unreal man and i copy leaguestarts every time

heck yea

[tranquil sedge]

yh thats what i mean

just multiply dps by like 1.5-2x on every unused skill LOL

[onyx adder]

Real men read patch notes and do the same thing the meta does two weeks later

[tranquil sedge]

ppl gonna start playing some new shit

[onyx adder]

Because that thing is good

Being bad is easy

[hard cliff]

I played a guy's 3 league old build on a different ascendancy

[wintry lily]

Im a figment of your imagination, I copy pathfinder builds every league

[hard cliff]

close enough

[tranquil umbra]

I'm just doing blight of contagion occultist for 3.28

[dark sigil]

Also i demand more pretty and cute mtx, gear and skills. I love being a badass bloodzerker but sometimes I want to shoot rainbows and dance on the flower covered corpses of my enemies while they explode into butterflies

Not everything needs to be black, red and purple or celestial

[wheat sinew]

Hammer time

[wintry lily]

but have you considered starfall, which is celestial but recolored

[tranquil umbra]

wrong, everything needs to be celestial

[edgy acorn]

I like purple

[tranquil umbra]

I need the shark cyclone so badly

[tight plinth]

i like pies

[dark sigil]

Celestial is so last decade. I think sunprism and sunrises colours are just as good

And I demand way more glimmarwood skill effects. Glimmarwood sunder is one of the best skill mtx in the game but iv never used it cause sunderbois was nerfed a bit before it came out and sunder sucks now

[cobalt blade]

dps wise its better if you can actually abuse the attack speed bit and arent smth like the aristocrat accuracy stacker

though you do need to make a pretty good offhand

[dark sigil]

Pirannah or locust blade vortex when?

More stuff like that needs to exist

[fickle glen]

Rage vortex?

[dark sigil]

Also some skills still have zero mtx like flicker strike which has potential, wild strike has been forgotten since it came into existance. Even in balance patches focused on melee it gets forgotten about

[fickle glen]

Btw why does rage vortex leaves ufo 🛸 markings where its last used?

[dark sigil]

Does it? I remember celestial cyclone had that same bug back in the day if it's what I'm thinking

[fickle glen]

It’s permanent too

[cobalt blade]

whens the celestial flicker

[edgy acorn]

Have you guys tried ethereal knives with golden charlatan?

[crisp obsidian]

yes

omegagood

[dark sigil]

This was a shot I took of the bug back then

[onyx adder]

Yea although even if ur flat broke day 1 a zeal claw or fidelitas spike is comfortable enough to get going with

[dark sigil]

Very pretty

[cobalt blade]

yea for sure

early on they are alot closer

[edgy acorn]

Yeah, super OP

[fickle glen]

That’s an effect, what I am talking about is markings on the ground

[cobalt blade]

but smth like this(chaos dam setup under the assumption of alberons) makes ambi completely destroy mamba

even without the synth 8% tbh but usually not expensive

2.08 is non synth/enchant

[onyx adder]

Yer

[edgy acorn]

Tree can vomit something similar to it xdd

[cobalt blade]

its always gonna be worse from tree

[onyx adder]

But the builds for which this is relevant in current meta usually cant use ambi at all

[cobalt blade]

essence gives 30% local AS tree does not

[onyx adder]

Because theyre running double howa

[cobalt blade]

hotm but yea

[onyx adder]

Yea that

[crisp obsidian]

why the spell dmg mod

[edgy acorn]

Yeah, AS will be lower

[cobalt blade]

assumption of alberons str stacker

[onyx adder]

Anyway tree ded next league trust

[cobalt blade]

theres other crafts obv i just picked a random one

[crisp obsidian]

is the 50% spell dmg really better than like chaos flat

[cobalt blade]

yes

[crisp obsidian]

ah ok

[gritty garnet]

wombgifts will be like annul orb rarity or some shit

[onyx adder]

Chaos flat kinda horrendous on alberon build

[cobalt blade]

you get 1-80 flat per 80 strength on alberons

and your main damage is coming from mainhand on dual strike of amb

[crisp obsidian]

but don't you get a gazillion of inc too

[cobalt blade]

so your offhand flat does not matter

[primal vault]

im guessing holy hammer is getting nerfed before we get to play it then?

[onyx adder]

Why

[final owl]

How can it be nerfed before we're even getting numbers for it :x

[cobalt blade]

ye but its still better than flat

[onyx adder]

It could get buffed 500% nad still be bad

Or nerfed 500% and be broken

No numbers = no opinion

[edgy acorn]

What if they add foulborn currency drop from breach

[final owl]

why would they do that when they have already said tree is going core

[primal vault]

just speculating, since kinetic had the same treatment from last league

[edgy acorn]

To make it better

More currency

[split maple]

Access to fbl currencies rly isn't issue

[final owl]

I think that's an either/or scenario. If tree didn't go core, FB currency makes sense. but it is.

[split maple]

Make rare mobs drop rings tho

[dark sigil]

So bets on how many new ascendencies we get? Just scion? All the phrecia ones but nerfed Into the ground? One new one for each char? All current ascendencies get replaced with phrecia?

[final owl]

wouldn't want to put money on any kind of scenario currently

a big endgame rework is definitely "more than enough" to keep tthem busy for one update

don't have high hopes of them doing that + folding in phrecia ascendancies succesfully

[cobalt blade]

100 scion ascends

[dark sigil]

I mean spoiler implies at least antiquarian

[crisp obsidian]

but wait why are people crafting the worse spell damage mod on their claws

on ambi

huhhhh

[cobalt blade]

but uh i doubt they make the phrecia ones all core just because of how strong theyd be on forbidden jewels

[final owl]

sure, and scion only has 2 ascendancy options currently. makes sense for it to get a third. not the same as them adding all the phrecia ascends in though

[dark sigil]

I think we will get one new ascendency for each char

Or they replace the least used on each. They spent time rebalancing the phrecia ascendencies for a reason I suspect.

[cobalt blade]

i did say i clicked a random one :p

[final owl]

I think both of those things are a bit of a stretch honestly. but we will see. My loins are girded, I am ready to be completely whelmed in 3 days

[cobalt blade]

that was my wep when i last played ambi

during phrecia 1

[crisp obsidian]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Neformalochka-7604/GovnisheANeBild yeah but the very first ninja build

[edgy acorn]

Imagine adding Dreadful Attitude as a node in one of new Scion Ascendancy if there is 💀

[crisp obsidian]

when you sort by dps

[dark sigil]

Sad that surf caster 100% ain't going core though I can almost be sure of that. It's just too memeish and op

[cobalt blade]

yeah i dont see a reason for this one to do it

it can make sense if your on a non paradoxica setup though

and osin

but i think thats marginally worse than paradoxica unless theres a good source of double dam im not thinking of

[dark sigil]

Brutal charges maybe.

[split maple]

Boot slot is taken

[cobalt blade]

not worth dropping mageblood and you cant wear ralakesh boots

and if you at osin budget your gonna use mageblood over magnate

[dark sigil]

True

[split maple]

And since it's strstacker you cannot dedicate lethal pride nodes to double dmg

[cobalt blade]

yup

basically you just dont have good sources of DD which is why paradoxica is effectively bis

[cobalt blade]

ive also just noticed

[dark sigil]

Night peeps. Off to bedge. Many a proofed mirror div cards to you all

[cobalt blade]

the mageblood isnt blessed orb'd

on a str stacker

[final owl]

Straight to jail.

[crisp obsidian]

XD that too

tbh kinda weird it's not a doublecorrupt one

[cobalt blade]

nah thats fair its like half a mirror to a mirror for them depending on time of league and the flat str isnt that much worse

[warm musk]

Is Ward that strong that they added the line "75% of Damage taken bypasses Ward" on Nightgrip?

[grave vine]

Hammers

[dark sigil]

They deathly afraid of wardloop

[cobalt blade]

(like on my phrecia ambi setup iirc 7% strength was about 15-20 str)

compared to the flat 42 and anything less than 7 just wasnt worth

[grave vine]

Bows are pretty cool too @ggg

[tranquil sedge]

ward is effort to build around anyway

[cobalt blade]

oh also gn!

[warm musk]

I have no clue on Wardloopers but I assume they use spells?

[tranquil sedge]

i assume its there on those gloves to make you give up some defence, essentially

75% of damage bypasses ward means you're not going to be using ward as a defensive layer at all

or at most like a weak ass one

ur just gonna get some ward to get chaos damage and not care whether its up or not

[dark sigil]

Just a few

[tranquil sedge]

but even thats effort coz getting a lot of ward aint easy unless u start sacrifcing slots

[dark sigil]

Go watcha video

Anyways nini for realzies

[cobalt blade]

tbf you end up with enough ward the bypass barely matters anyway assuming its even up for the big hit

[tranquil sedge]

i guess that does make u wonder why its there to begin with then at all LOL

[tranquil sedge]

wat

how much ward you have isn't what determines it

its the size of the incoming hit

u can't mitigate more than 25% of that w/ ward

[cobalt blade]

oh oops i meant to say dont

[tranquil sedge]

it is a bit weird that it has that much bypass its true

[cobalt blade]

you get like maybe 20-30k ward and alot of big hits just chunk that anyway

[warm musk]

I guess it's there to prevent the part where you scale both defense and damage at the same time

[tranquil sedge]

ward is pretty niche anyway

[tranquil sedge]

yea

but ward's hard enough to build around as is so its a lot to bypass

[cobalt blade]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/NDYYY-4510/UberWardIsGlass yknow i forgot they added the foulborn heup

[crisp obsidian]

damn crazy build

[void oasis]

is a 30 minute act 1 really good? i know most acts should be 20-25 but im asking particularly for act 1 becuase theres so much set up with getting the right gems etc.

[crisp obsidian]

it's not "really good" but it's good

[stable pumice]

It's better than hour

So be proud

[crisp obsidian]

^

[steel light]

mamba strike lethal pride rakiata # doesn't matter as it's only for temper by war right?

[steel light]

took me 20+ hours to complete 10 acts

[void oasis]

ty guys, im doing pconc league starts cause i want to pconc next league, idk whats slowing me down felt like i played it perfectly tbh with the quicksilvers

[peak heron]

25 should be the goal just keep speed running each act separately

[stable pumice]

Your mind is slowing you down

Enter the flow

[crisp obsidian]

layouts, knowing when to go to town for gems/points and just general pathing

[tranquil sedge]

i wouldn't even say layouts ngl

[lucid gale]

[tranquil sedge]

oh nvm i misread the time

might be layouts

[void oasis]

i actually am following a particular guide, i know most layouts except prison though that one is slow as hell, but yeah my step by step guide i wrote tells me when to go back to town etc

[stable pumice]

Anyways have fun guys got my First workday today xD

[cobalt blade]

you do want dd if you can afford it but yeah

or rage on hit

[steel light]

i tried to copy some builds onto pob and those builds solely have temper only, i tried to search from the pob generator and it bugs out showing me 0 search result

[unreal sand]

Is there footage of this build in action? 😄

[crisp obsidian]

just search any bow coc build

[cobalt blade]

idk i just opened ninja and sorted by ward since i was curious what numbers they were at

[crisp obsidian]

they all look the same

[cobalt blade]

how exactly are you searcing

[unreal sand]

no shit, I want to see how THIS build performs, my guy 😄

[steel light]

nothing pops up as compared to when i search for hubris on cws

[cobalt blade]

right i know the issue

you didnt add your skill to full dps

toggle that delete everything in fall back and re generate it

also click filter nodes

[steel light]

1 rage on hit or 30% increased melee crit chance is better?

[cobalt blade]

def the rage if its your first 1 or 2 rage on hit

[crisp obsidian]

impossible to answer w/o pob

or like you telling us how much crit you have vs how much rage on hit

[kindred silo]

almost certainly 1 rage on hit

[onyx adder]

In before bro is some exert slam shit with 0.8 aps

[kindred silo]

30% crit aint fixing that

[livid quarry]

why is bro talking like hes gen z

[crisp obsidian]

didn't you know wtd is a 15 year old teenager

[tight plinth]

gang is like 15 fr

no cap

[livid quarry]

fo sho

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cheese-burger-16

[tight plinth]

wait are the teens today genz?

[livid quarry]

dont think so

[tight plinth]

arent gen z grown ups now?

[livid quarry]

yea

[crisp obsidian]

idk

I am too old to know these

[livid quarry]

whats the next gen

[tranquil sedge]

jen z

[crisp obsidian]

gen å obv

[thick goblet]

gen alpha

[livid quarry]

gen alpha cringe

[tight plinth]

right alpha

[crisp obsidian]

let's call it ålpha instead

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[unreal sand]

Are you Scandinavian, Jiji?

[crisp obsidian]

fk no

ew

I am nordic tho

[unreal sand]

So a Finn. You poor thing

[crisp obsidian]

awesome thing*

[tight plinth]

do nords all hate each other?

[crisp obsidian]

depends on the day

[unreal sand]

Lovingly, yes. Like siblings

[gritty epoch]

Slams gonna get nerfed isn't it

[crisp obsidian]

Oh god that makes me excited

[wheat sinew]

Time to get hammer time

Imagine mace redesign

[unreal sand]

Ngl the teaser got me nostalgic for doing a melee inquisitor build

[wheat sinew]

Holy sounds like phys+lightning

This might be interested with the new boss mace

Which scales of int

[unreal sand]

Exactly what I thought

[umbral crag]

It's always lightning end of day

[split maple]

• doable to hit offscreening aoe looks like

[wheat sinew]

Yeeeee

Just the base

Usually is hybrid

[split maple]

just need to pull a shitload of attack speed out of ass 😄

[wheat sinew]

Zerker says hello

[umbral crag]

If its fire then juggy time?

[unreal sand]

Huh? Wdym fire and jugg? Did you mean chieftain? that's the fire themed ascend 😄

[crisp obsidian]

I hope the skill is phys cold

Just to fk with people

[unreal sand]

honestly that would be funny

[winter blaze]

i finished atlas and have 90 chaos what should i farm for currency atp i usually get stuck at this point of the game

[wheat sinew]

Nuh uh

[wheat sinew]

Alch and go

[tight plinth]

hard to say since the league is pretty much dead

[umbral crag]

Sorry i skipped a few steps. Str stacking with fire i mean

[unreal sand]

Oh with the mace?

[gritty epoch]

Pock one strat and do it

[umbral crag]

Shaper influence mostly

[tight plinth]

but lets pretend its mid league, what mechanics do you like doing?

[winter blaze]

i tried to expedition but i die everytime im slayer cyclone so anything with alot of mobs to just kill

[umbral crag]

Or hunter

[steel light]

https://poe.re/#/maps are u using a map filter?

[gritty epoch]

If I have 90c early league and want to get a few divs, I would do t16 harvest or buy a set of shaper fragments and start rolling there

[unreal sand]

Oh jeez. I forgot about that mod, lol
I have not played stacker in forever

[tight plinth]

shaper is consistent moneys yep

[winter blaze]

wdym role shaper frags?

[hexed mountain]

I like doing destructive play conq rush

[tight plinth]

my friend does blight early league in maps first with cassias pride notable, then move on to blight maps with triple amber annoint

[hexed mountain]

Depends on frag prices tho but between the writs, woke gems, fragments, exalts it adds up real quick

[winter blaze]

i highly dislike blight is there anything else to farm

[tight plinth]

ritual maybe if you like high mob count

is abyss strat still a thing?

[hexed mountain]

Was doing around 10-15 div an hour on those in phrecia, about half of it was idols though

[winter blaze]

i can try but idk if my build would live against it

[tight plinth]

or just alch and go red altars

[unreal sand]

I'd start with a basic map farm, go into scarab farming. Then doing whatever strat you like doing

[tight plinth]

thats also consistant moneys

[unreal sand]

destructive is also a great source of maps

[winter blaze]

when would i start adding scarabs

[crisp obsidian]

Most important thing is doing something you enjoy yourself

[tight plinth]

^

[crisp obsidian]

If you do something you hate you will slow down and start hating the game

[winter blaze]

i enjoy strong boxes but i didn't gain much from doing them

[hexed mountain]

I think its mainly overlooked because people dont realize how many different solid value items rhey can drop, it really adds up when you do one map per 2 mins

[tight plinth]

if you just like killing stuff, i recommend alch and go red altars as a start to build up a bit of currency

[winter blaze]

ok but how long or how much currency do i save up?

[gritty epoch]

As much as u desire

[cobalt blade]

scarabs ichors fossils and essences come to mind for this ^

[unreal sand]

you need scarabs to get anything from most strategies
so first goal is getting your build done with its first stage. like the first item that enables your character to feel comfortable at doing maps
then some low investment strategy, such as destructive play, generic map farm
iirc harbinger scarabs are decently cheap to buy, but idk if 90c is enough for that right now

red altar farming is also a way to get easy chaos orbs

[cobalt blade]

over the course of 100-200 maps that can easily be a good 20-40 div worth of shit depending on what your farming

[pulsar dune]

Holy hammers huh

Can't wait to see how esoteric that skill ends up

[crisp obsidian]

As much as your build needs, but also league is over very soon

I would focus on next one

[winter blaze]

oh really

when does it end

[cobalt blade]

march 2

and new league is march 6th

[tight plinth]

googles esoteric

damn esoteric is esoteric

[winter blaze]

ah ill still like to learn how to transfer into mid/early game

[gritty epoch]

if u have 90c just do straightforward and easy strats

[unreal sand]

if you dont mind heist. that's probably the fastest & easiest way of getting raw currency early. personally I hate it

[cobalt blade]

id say its sanctum if your build is capable early

heist is just no gear trivial currency

[winter blaze]

id rather not

[unreal sand]

felt

[gritty epoch]

Just farm shapers 👀

[crisp obsidian]

Well the process is usually leveling build -> switch to something else for 2stones if needed -> switch to real leagstarter and finish atlas(4stone included) -> either continue with the build or have saved up enough for a blaster build

[dense rock]

alch n go. Ignore 2 decades of mechanics

[unreal sand]

alch & go is so vague, lol
you can't just rawdog a random tree and expect ground loot as its pretty lacking :p

[winter blaze]

i got a earthshatter build that i started with

[cobalt blade]

I mean it literally just means scarab/fragmentless you alch the map and go

regardless of what mechanic you wanna run :p

[dense rock]

you throw alch orb at the map and you yeet it at the map device and go. What vague is there?

[cobalt blade]

But ye bad ground loot made it pretty bad

[gritty epoch]

Pick a strat before leaguestart then pick a build for it, eg if u want to farm simul you go cws, if u do bossing early go pbod, lab runners/heist u go movespeed etc

[unreal sand]

my point is that you need to focus on a mechanic. saying alch & go doesnt really help him, imo

[dense rock]

the point of alch n go is to be able to basically ignore the mechanics. You can use only small passives that grant extra map drops and it still works (its shit but it fucking works). Your chosen mechanic doesnt matter at all when you are just raw dogging maps with alch orbs and running them in rapid fire

have some mechanics picked in the atlas tree? ok, enjoy them in your shit tier maps often

[unreal sand]

and how would he know that? thats why saying alch & go is so vague

[dense rock]

Should i have written a 50page guide with infographics on how "alch n go" is just using alchemy orb and running the map no matter what mechanics you have chosen?

Need history of alchemy orbs and maps added to the end aswell? 😄

[tight plinth]

its not vague, its just theres nothing else to it, you alch a map and go.

[unreal sand]

No need to get defensive, lol. It wasnt an attack

[dense rock]

im just memeing 😛

[gritty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[winter blaze]

i got strongboxes in my atlas and ima just alchemy orb and just do maps

[unreal sand]

@winter blaze Path of Evening on youtube has videos about pretty much all stages of farming
Idk if there are better youtubers. I don't really watch much POE content

[brazen vector]

can anyone tell me if there are any herald buff effect breakpoints?

[stoic horizon]

probably yes but they might vary between each herald

[dense rock]

my typical solution to "cant come up with atlas strategy" is strongbox+einhar+beyond and just alch n go until i make up my mind on what i want to do 😄

[stoic horizon]

because math

[brazen vector]

but yea, fair

Ill just keep stacking then

[dense rock]

😄

[unreal sand]

for me I do destructive just because I find it fun spawning the extra bosses xD with red altars. free chaos

[stoic horizon]

uhhh

you certainly arent doing destructive with red altars

[brazen vector]

aint much yet

[tight plinth]

whatcha cooking?

[brazen vector]

you need maven witness for DP

[unreal sand]

oh yeah. Im on 2 hours of sleep. yeah no altars xD KEKW

[brazen vector]

thinking of spaghetti today

[bold scarab]

I miss just taking that one keystone that made every mechanic 100x more common but no scarabs

[stoic horizon]

meh

i never took that one

scarabs are nice random jackpots

[bold scarab]

Well obviously overexageration but it felt good to just brain off with

[brazen vector]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Back_to_Basics fuck extra content

[bold scarab]

To be fair that was before the scarab buffs so it would need to be substantially better now to even stand a chance of being worth it

[stoic horizon]

even back then some scarabs were worth some good money

it was never worth it

[bold scarab]

Ye but scarabs were super rare

So you couldn't rely on dropping them naturally and tossing them into the next map as easily as now

[winter blaze]

how much do you think ill make after 50 maps?

[stoic horizon]

i remember 5x scarab orb deli beaches netting me multiple divines a map

[bold scarab]

Lol

[unreal sand]

hows harby scarabs in price after all this time? could be an easy strat for the guy to run now I guess

[bold scarab]

But ye I used to go full gacha

I'd take that

I'd take the big mission one

[hexed mountain]

sir there were scarabs hitting 840 chaos each this league

[stoic horizon]

im not saying now they are cheap

[tight plinth]

what did you end up doing?

[unreal sand]

fubgun tax? kekw

[split maple]

2 more weeks until newbs get baited into unwavering vision

[bold scarab]

And then I would do the keystone that gives you 3 random mechanics for free fully specced

[stoic horizon]

im saying back then they were worth money too

[brazen vector]

Harbinger: 3c each
Obelisk: 0.5c each
Warhoards: 4c each
Regency: 7c each

[hexed mountain]

pandemonium ones idk if he played that

wrong answer

i meant to answer the guy above

[bold scarab]

So ye everything would be more or less completely random but it would feel like you actually invested into it even tho you didn't

[tight plinth]

is unwaivering vision still bait when we got 3 atlas trees now?

[unreal sand]

that's insanely cheap. worth the little invest

[split maple]

unwavering is hella bait if you aint doing gauntlet in 24h

[winter blaze]

strongboxes and and just alchemy the map

[tight plinth]

go for at least one of the altars

[icy blaze]

3 more days fuck

[winter blaze]

is alters really that good

[bold scarab]

Every map would give a alva/einhar/delve/whatever the 4th one was xD
Every map would give one mechanic that was more or less fully specced out at random because of circuit thing
And then overall more random shit

[umbral crag]

Its free money

[tight plinth]

its consistent money yeah

[split maple]

exarch is a stack of chaos every few maps on baseline

way more if juciing pack size

[unreal sand]

red altars is consistant chaos drop

[umbral crag]

If you dont like currency sure ig

[winter blaze]

ill farm that insteaed then

[split maple]

• red altars shit out scarbies

[winter blaze]

what should my atlas be