1┃general

[prime hill]

adds like 30% to my electricity bill that month

lol

[icy zinc]

i think if scarabs had like 4/4 use or even 6/6 use

that'd tinker with the prices a lot

each one of them

i saw ts lol

[fossil mural]

Like

Tablets

In poe2?

[gritty epoch]

Towers

[icy zinc]

tablets do be like old sextants

[opal ingot]

no more towers.. please...

[icy zinc]

it all makes sense

[prime hill]

can I add one thing about poe 2 that I REALLY HATED

I fucking hated towers

[spice pecan]

the irony here is that people joked that kalandra was the beta for a hardmode, eg ruthless

[prime hill]

but they removed the quant rarity bonus towers gave

[spice pecan]

and here we are

[prime hill]

and legit gave nothing to replace the said bonuses

:)

[icy zinc]

towers right now are used to jump between locations in poe 2

[prime hill]

so it was just a net nuke of it

[icy zinc]

otherwise they have no use

[spice pecan]

at least you can play the game now without having to skip 95% of maps till you find a 3-4 overlap

[icy zinc]

which is sort of a big deal

[barren river]

i am pretty sure that poe is fucked ground loot wise

[prime hill]

with how poe 2 mf works

[fossil mural]

Grand design goes brrr

[prime hill]

you maybe make the same money you did from overlaps

[icy zinc]

grand design fr

[prime hill]

in 2k maps if you're just blasting

lol

[spice pecan]

idk and idc about poo2, but the design philosophies that have been going on between both games the last year plus are not particularly great

[prime hill]

only explaining it because it's the same issue as poe 1 honestly

they're nuking things in both games without buffing baseline

[crisp obsidian]

mirage wishlist:

• selfcasting fixed
• ground loot fixed

welcome to my tedx talk.

[prime hill]

their ™ VISION ™

[gritty epoch]

Bring back chris

[prime hill]

affected poe 1 horribly aswell now

[crisp obsidian]

no

[fossil mural]

Chris did this

Lmao

[crisp obsidian]

chris is the fault of this

[prime hill]

chris put the blueprint for this

[gritty epoch]

[prime hill]

jonathan just went to the extremes of it

[fossil mural]

Chris wanted a different game

But he couldnt budge poe

[gritty epoch]

Chris at least writes apology post on reddit when shit goes wrong

[fossil mural]

So he went to make a different one

[fossil mural]

Jonathan apologized as well

Lul

Just not in text form but on streams

[spice pecan]

he stopped posting on reddit after the final kalandra update iirc

[fossil mural]

"We didnt nerf loot on average"

What the fuck was he expecting

[gritty epoch]

On server issue?
Nah it's ddos sorry can't do anything
and "melee is underappreciated" btw I only play act 1

[icy zinc]

archnemesis took probably year or two from developers lives through stress 🙃

[spice pecan]

i mean, on one hand there was nothing he could have said that would have made people happy

but on the other hand, gaslighting the community was not the right play

[opal ingot]

on the hidden hand?

[spice pecan]

we dont talk about my handmouth

[icy zinc]

as well as chris long idea from distant past

[fossil mural]

What you do is you dont make hillariously bad desicions to begin with

But sure

[spice pecan]

i mean at the end of the day, mistakes happen

[crisp obsidian]

writes apology and then does nothing to fix the stuff

[spice pecan]

but the tripling down they did was inexcusable

[crisp obsidian]

so helpful

[spice pecan]

they did nerf the archnem mods and said that they were buffing the lake, which people liked

but yeah, didn't fix the big things, loot and harvest

[icy zinc]

harvest shouldve been deleted

would've been so simple

[fossil mural]

I dont think people liked pyatnashki

[icy zinc]

like every other mechanic was deleted and that was it

[barren river]

nope

[fossil mural]

Especially cause all the loot was at the last like 2 tiles

From what? 16?

[prime hill]

damn snap didnt hate on necropolis itself

W

[barren river]

we should get all crafts

[gritty epoch]

Bring back reforge keep pre pls

[pulsar dune]

any bets on how many new uniques will be stacker payoffs?

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-leon-the-professional-pissed-off-angry-screaming-gif-15144549

[gritty epoch]

Poe Mirage league:
The loot is just a mirage

[fossil mural]

Get bamboozled

[gritty epoch]

Mirror drops
It's a mirage

[split maple]

isnt there smh in game that already does that

some item or valdo mod or smh?

[fossil mural]

Sanctum

Fake mirrors

[gritty epoch]

Fake mirror in heist

[opal ingot]

rent a mirror item

creates a mirage of a mirror item that you can use for 12 hours

[fossil mural]

This sounds awfully like irl

[gritty epoch]

Delirious sextant?

[spice pecan]

item renting from runescape coming back to flood my memories

[fossil mural]

They should add currency loans to kingsmarch

[pulsar dune]

hm, how cooked is selfcast skeletons hearbound loop cwdt?

[spice pecan]

you would selfcast the skeletons to start a cwdt loop?

[pulsar dune]

no, just hold down skeletons to proc cwdt

[spice pecan]

you can't cast a spell linked to cwdt

or selfcast rather

oh, i see what you mean

[fossil mural]

He knows

[spice pecan]

i mean, is that not just a worse looper

[pulsar dune]

the thesis was using disintegrator

[gritty epoch]

Cast spell Vs cast skeleton to cast spell

[pulsar dune]

but IG I may as well just play a real spell

but that staff has no cast speed on it

poison unearth LOGIN lel

[lilac parcel]

do you have lag ?

delay?

[fossil mural]

ping?

[prime hill]

damn finally done with video

[lilac parcel]

ping yes

delay

[fossil mural]

lag

[gritty epoch]

Nerf 6 man mf more, so that they will be as poor as me

[prime hill]

tbh

most '6 man' nerfs did is

straight up killing solo and duo play

XD

[livid quarry]

every1 becomes poor

[prime hill]

while 6 mans are still ahead of the curve because thats how group play will work forever

just deal with it

[spice pecan]

we're not doing the "group play bad" thing again are we

[prime hill]

unless they nuke quant bonus for pt members

no

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-gif-23681570

[gritty epoch]

Group play bad

[prime hill]

not me atleast

[prime hill]

idk man I think we have enough data from previous leagues

if nerfing 6 man means nerfing everything else into a wheelchair state

[fossil mural]

Then people who play parties casually suffer the most

[prime hill]

I'd rather them to not nerf 6 man

[prime hill]

they already do

duo is just losing money

[split maple]

idk herro's duo looked like they having fun in event

but yea div/h capable solo vs capable group prefers solo still

[prime hill]

well, playing duo is fun honestly

[prime hill]

yep

[split maple]

fun as in invigo blights until mirror crafting on weekend 1

[pulsar dune]

hm, this is kinda ass

[pulsar vault]

No QOL trailers this time ? :(

[prime hill]

thats only viable duo strat that won't lose you money, which is what I did with my fiance in keepers

[pulsar dune]

you really really have to abuse conversions

[spice pecan]

i mean herro was doing dual carry strats this league and apparently doing alright

[fossil mural]

Youll be lucky to have mobs drop loot

[spice pecan]

but he's pretty experienced in party play

[prime hill]

yeah, im just a noobie when it comes to actual group players

[pulsar vault]

I want nerf to mob density to have better loots like in PoE2 btw

[prime hill]

since almost every friend of mine quit poe now

:)

and one that used to play every league since years finally had his breaking point in keepers aswell

just dumped everything on guild stash and said ok you two have fun im uninstalling

lol

[grizzled lily]

group play good

[fossil mural]

THE WALLS

[prime hill]

genuinely

[fossil mural]

Not the WALLS

[prime hill]

this really made him rip his hair

[fossil mural]

screams in nick cage

At least now you can block it

But I dont doubt ggg will make something similar

With mirage

[gritty epoch]

Everyone blocks breach -> Farms breach full walls mode -> profit??

[prime hill]

as always

[fossil mural]

People will just run normal breach lmao

[prime hill]

if I need quick money I love doing strats that everyone hates, for money

[fossil mural]

Or hive

Womb and go

[opal ingot]

i sentence you to gift to the goddess runs with zhp build

[prime hill]

I run heist until 700 chaos

[fossil mural]

Like they will have to make wave defence

[prime hill]

every league start

[fossil mural]

Give 5 timed the loot

To make people run it over normal

[tawdry olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1ramh5x/just_a_reminder_that_the_divine_orb_drops/
lmaao

[prime hill]

this does not scare me

[fossil mural]

1 lab per day

Gaming

[prime hill]

honestly depends on how lucky I get or if I play spark ig

lol

[gritty epoch]

When there is a golden door there must be a golden wall

[prime hill]

because I do last flame runs in poo2 at times

[opal ingot]

and inside the golden crypt

there is a golden hand

[fossil mural]

For a golden asshole

[barren river]

watched snap's video, and it wasn't anything new

[prime hill]

its good that more people are talking about it

[fossil mural]

I dont think the intention was to tell anything "new"

It sounds like a summary

Just

Thats what happened

Be mad

[barren river]

there were loot crutches, and kalandra was when the game went to shit

[prime hill]

most of the average players can't put a name on what happened to the game

those vids help with that for normal playerbase to get mad

[barren river]

tbf, i am a bad player

[tawdry olive]

sir you are discussing the economy of an action rpg in a dedicated discord server. while the average player takes like 15 hours to clear acts.

[short prairie]

There’s no bad player, only new player

[frigid wedge]

ma'am

[tawdry olive]

my bad

[barren river]

1. ma'am 2. i need 8h to do acts

[frigid wedge]

8h on start or on twink stuff

[barren river]

a good league for me is when i have 2m

[prime hill]

that's not a bad player

[barren river]

this is what i needed to do campaign in mercs with ele hit of the spectrum

with twink gear, i need 6h

[frigid wedge]

so on leaguestart?

[opal ingot]

all i ask for is to clear acts sub 5 hours

maybe i should get to practicing mamba

pconc i mean

meh

[barren river]

0 practice

[brazen vector]

hmm

[frigid wedge]

on start i need like 11h and on twink gear i need 3 and a half, 4 inclusive to finishing points

[prime hill]

I mean I do league starts on 3 hours with builds im familiar with, or slightly more

[opal ingot]

wow gz on the putrid cloister

[brazen vector]

going from 78 to 90 on 3 alvas sure is fun

[prime hill]

5-6 hours when I have 0 practice on a build

[frigid wedge]

ok i go eat

gm ppl

[barren river]

i am a bad player tho. for me, 2m in a league is an excellent league

[short prairie]

Yoooo rakiata

[tawdry olive]

even getting a whiff of a mirror means you are not a bad player lol

[barren river]

in total

[short prairie]

Endgame flicker

[tawdry olive]

i think we all have skewed perceptions of what a bad player is

[prime hill]

what I think about average player vs bad player is

[crisp obsidian]

2 mir isn't bad

lmao

[pulsar vault]

Is it this patch where we get huge balance changes announced during the interview of keepers ?

[prime hill]

bad players are the one usually doesnt even reach to t16's

[crisp obsidian]

no

[prime hill]

average players will have half of mirror invested on their builds

[crisp obsidian]

no changes at all

[prime hill]

or more

[pulsar vault]

No ballistic changes ? :(

[barren river]

so i am perfectly average

[prime hill]

then every bracket has a huge seperation

after the average player

[barren river]

10% of all poe players reached maps

[prime hill]

some people get like 2 mirrors, some 5, some 10, some print, some supply whole market, not even talking about crafters yet

[stoic horizon]

wym no changes, well see nerfs to kinetic fullisade and golems and +1 range to sweep

[prime hill]

top end of poe player hierarchy is just wild

[crisp obsidian]

Didn't you read the patchnotes?? Smh

[barren river]

so i am right in the just above average bracket lmao

[prime hill]

and thats why ill never call myself a good player

[stoic horizon]

oh great jijigpt please share your divination we beg you

[prime hill]

genuinely, yes

[barren river]

i still think i'm bad xd

[prime hill]

because you're exposed to real top end players

[stoic horizon]

i suffer from severe skill issue as well

[prime hill]

which makes you think you're pretty bad yourself

when in reality you're not

[barren river]

but i cannot do empy tier shit because my device is too bad

[prime hill]

even in this chat we have some interesting people that runs their mouth

[barren river]

as in group play shenanigans

[prime hill]

non stop and bashing others because they don't get 20 mirrors in a league

those guys were wild

[barren river]

we also have the gambling addicts

[prime hill]

only item I am not allowed to gamble is memeblood

my fiance will murder me if I touch it without replacing it

😭

and rest is like mirrored anyway

[barren river]

dude wtf

mirrored items in every slot

[prime hill]

not every but no point at gambaing them

3 mirrored items

[tight plinth]

Just get rich

[spice pecan]

so the new alva strat doesn't work every time right

[prime hill]

and for gloves'n boots

there were no good mirror items

[tawdry olive]

> me picking up the trash from the mist in maps

we have mirrored at home baby!

[prime hill]

for pbod unless I wanted to redo whole tree

[barren river]

this was exactly my first doryani ring

[prime hill]

for elusive onslaught boots etc

[spice pecan]

the only item i ever mirrored was for a mercenary

and i lost it when i migrated ssf to trade at the end of that league

[crisp obsidian]

Group shenanigans are worse than soloing at same efficiency

[spice pecan]

[barren river]

i switched to this

[prime hill]

isnt this what empy been saying

since a couple leagues

after calculating profits

[barren river]

made it with 40d and a dream

[crisp obsidian]

Yes and he provides proof

[prime hill]

yep

[tawdry olive]

i like to look out for mirrored items, because there are tiers to it, sometimes god players dump earlier mirrored items when a new and better one comes along

[prime hill]

group play rn just lives by the lottery drops

[tawdry olive]

and you can get some all white socket monster for dirt cheap

[crisp obsidian]

Group play has probably never been better than solo

It's just more fun for some and easier

As in requires less gearing

[barren river]

it generates dopamine tho

[crisp obsidian]

Per character

[prime hill]

group play is like

[tight plinth]

Its sort of better the first few hours

[prime hill]

when everyone has their roles

progressing through is way easier

than being solo

and you get to juiced strats earlier than people

hence why group play in league starts gud

[crisp obsidian]

Yeah but nothing stops three solo players from helping eachother progress

That's not group play

[prime hill]

true

but people just don't do it other than select few groups tbh

[crisp obsidian]

I do it with my friend(s) when they can keep up

[prime hill]

in my last 3 leagues main reason things were smooth for me is friends I made over global

and we helping out eachother

[crisp obsidian]

Yeah literally just finding anyone who matches your speed makes life easier

[tawdry olive]

i... dont talk to people in game, have a bit of anxiety over that

[crisp obsidian]

But you do talk here

[tawdry olive]

im like a deer in headlights when someone actually messages me lmao

[prime hill]

I love to run my mouth in g1

and meme around

[tawdry olive]

yes, its different somehow

[prime hill]

to the point some people actually started to recognize in last 2 leagues

[crisp obsidian]

No what I am saying is you can find people here too

[prime hill]

thank god I'm no peja tho

[native abyss]

friends… heh

https://tenor.com/view/yay-sarcastic-sponge-bob-gif-14611576

[frigid wedge]

heh

[crisp obsidian]

Not friends, just peepz you can trade maps with etc

[frigid wedge]

friends

[prime hill]

tbh

when you talk a lot and share stuff

[tawdry olive]

i guess just shitposting in global chats is similar to discord, but any form of party play or actual game interaction with other players gets me jittery

[prime hill]

that eventually turns into friendships

[tawdry olive]

so ive done everything solo so far

[prime hill]

atleast thats been my case with people

[crisp obsidian]

No way to get past that jittery than just forcing yourself to do it

[prime hill]

but then I'm like 30 and ive been in internet for ages

[crisp obsidian]

So either always live like that or break the jittery

[prime hill]

I lived for social stuff in mmorpgs

[barren river]

one of my first ways of getting money this league was landmining my shaper/conq map stash

[crisp obsidian]

True, but not everyone goes that far

[frigid wedge]

lmao

based rem

[crisp obsidian]

Cringer spotted

[prime hill]

REEEEEEEE

[tawdry olive]

i am 31 this year lmao, i think its precisely those mmorpg experiences from early on that made me like this

[crisp obsidian]

I don't know why scummy behaviour is so praised nowadays

[prime hill]

depends on what kind of communities and games you've played ig

[barren river]

i met my current group on g1

[heady cliff]

looking for groups on g1 is... questionable behavior

[barren river]

another member of my group did this with useless red beasts and yellow beasts

[fickle glen]

Does this stun stat mean you can stun enemies every time u land a hit as long as they don’t have energy shield?

[heady cliff]

that is not exactly what g1 is mostly used for

[prime hill]

we're not talking about finding groups in g1 honestly

[crisp obsidian]

No, it is your stun threshold

[prime hill]

it just happens naturally when you actually get along with people

g1 is just an example

[lilac parcel]

nice

[prime hill]

otherwise yeah if you go into g1 to look for people

[fickle glen]

I thought stun threshold is based on the damage of the hit that the enemy takes?

[prime hill]

you'll be in a rude awakening

lmao

[barren river]

i found it naturally

[spice pecan]

it is YOUR stun threshold

[heady cliff]

it is your stun threshold, not enemies

[crisp obsidian]

No I am saying the ring changes your stun threshold, not enemies

[barren river]

a guy did diddy blight oil parties and i befriended him

[spice pecan]

uh

[fickle glen]

Ooh ok

[barren river]

aka blight ravaged maps that drop oils

[prime hill]

I got along with 1 person over gamba sessions

[spice pecan]

yeah idk how funny that really is but sure

[prime hill]

and we actually became good friends eventually

[barren river]

those were his words, not mine

[fickle glen]

I can see that being pretty useful for witch then

[prime hill]

one thing was sad tho

I gave him 2 homs to gamble

and he poofed both

[barren river]

it's good for cws

[crisp obsidian]

Surely

[prime hill]

and he went to feared jail

[crisp obsidian]

Didn't just hide em xdd

[prime hill]

to pay me back

[barren river]

to fuck up your stun threshold

[frigid wedge]

fun fact

[prime hill]

tbh he did pay me back

just took him 2-3 days of feared jail

[frigid wedge]

there are 2 ways to get stunned for cws

not 1

one is just less often used and slightly diff in setup

iirc better for magic find

[prime hill]

he could have just scammed me and left

so yeah

[crisp obsidian]

Yeah but he duped the cards, sold em to run feareds, made 72 mirrors and only gave you 0.1 😔

[prime hill]

😔

what is 2 homs when I already had 46 homs

[tawdry olive]

😔

[prime hill]

peak g1 memory of me from keepers is someone called forsen_aurabot

getting up to 180 homs

and letting global gamba with them

if they double, he'd give them 1 or 2

[crisp obsidian]

Card gamba should be removed tbf

[prime hill]

if they make general loot better

sure ig

or just make it ssf exclusive

but then people paid for the cards

[crisp obsidian]

That button is way too strong

[crisp obsidian]

??

They paid for cards, not gamba button

So how is it relevant

[prime hill]

at this point harvest gamba and cards go hand to hand

[crisp obsidian]

They shouldn't

[prime hill]

😔

[wheat sinew]

Harvest gamba makes uga buga feel good

Or horrible

But we focus on good

[prime hill]

tbh

I only gamba when I don't care about losing it

or end league gamba

[tawdry olive]

it does lead to some degenerate behavior where peoples entire leagues ride on the gamba sometimes
like they go through acts and scrounge up enough to buy an apo or something and quit the league if it doesn't go well. Saw a reddit post like that once

[frigid wedge]

i dont harvest gamba unless i have an extra 150d to boot

[prime hill]

I never understood that

[wheat sinew]

Seee the point is gambaing something with low weight

[prime hill]

I got an early apothecary in keepers and that funded my whole league

[wheat sinew]

So that if you win you feel amazingly

[prime hill]

without gamba

[wheat sinew]

And if you lose its like oh well not like it would have happened

[frigid wedge]

friend of mine got 36mir worth of HoM in 20 min

[wheat sinew]

Good for them, happy pal

[frigid wedge]

my issue with harvest gamba is ur forced to use high value cards bc it costs sm yellow juice to click

[frigid wedge]

oh he was drunk and proceeded to lose all of them in a 3 minute span

[wheat sinew]

I mean I guess in trade they are 1 dic per click

[prime hill]

yeah

immortal is pretty much baseline for cards you should gamba

or hh cards when hh is pricy

[crisp obsidian]

My issue with harvest gamba is that it's the best moneymaker in the game

[wheat sinew]

Let's go gambling, ah damnit, ah damnit, ah damnit

[frigid wedge]

i think any card of 15d+ is viable to click in bench

[wheat sinew]

Good, high risk high reward

[tranquil sedge]

gamba is a 0div/hr method

[frigid wedge]

ive gambled with fire of unknown origin

[tranquil sedge]

its literally the most breakeven shit you can do lol if you ignore yellow cost

[prime hill]

if you rely on gamba to make money

[tranquil sedge]

and its negative div/hr if you include it

[frigid wedge]

yeah

[prime hill]

you'll eventually quit game

or do rmt

[ebon tendon]

You already quit atp

[prime hill]

lmfao

[frigid wedge]

yeah i need to uh

[wheat sinew]

General rule is losing your income

[tranquil sedge]

yep

[frigid wedge]

stop running nemesis every league

[fossil mural]

Thats why its true gambling

[native abyss]

the only card i gamble

[frigid wedge]

I'm gonna burn myself out eventually

[fossil mural]

When you are expected to win its not gambling

[wheat sinew]

My fav card to gamble is cards with gamble in them

Like unique jewel

Oh shi it was fireeeezong

[frigid wedge]

like idgaf about the gambling in this game, but im gonna get burnt out on fuckin delirious fortress with nemesis scarabs

[crisp obsidian]

Harvest gamba is the biggest inflation causer

[tranquil sedge]

yeah, no its not

[frigid wedge]

i gotta stop

[prime hill]

kingsmarch exists

[tranquil sedge]

that's not how it works

[tranquil sedge]

also no

not how it works

[crisp obsidian]

It is

[tranquil sedge]

those literally deflate mirrors dude

both those things

[wheat sinew]

Btw best part about gambling in Poe it made me not want to visit casinos irl cuz I get my dose here zD

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[tranquil sedge]

the demand for mirrors is infinitely above their supply

it always is and always will be

[pulsar vault]

Kingsmarch bad

[ebon tendon]

What inflates mirrors

[tranquil sedge]

brb apex match

[frigid wedge]

HoM gamba

[spice pecan]

when mirror items get crafted and there's demand for them

[fossil mural]

Always has been

[tranquil sedge]

this is wrong

[pulsar vault]

he is right

[tawdry olive]

yes, my personality is highly suceptible to being fucked over by your average gacha game, i avoid them at all costs and used POE to scratch any itches

[tranquil sedge]

he's not

happy to explain later

after my match

[frigid wedge]

it poofs so many cards that the mirror price goes down

[pulsar vault]

If you have more offers than demands then price goes lower

[wheat sinew]

Hell yeah brother

[heady cliff]

only for yellow juice

[wheat sinew]

My only money spent in gambling will be the 30-60 bucks each league for supporter pack

And then into mystery boxes

[frigid wedge]

oh the actual gamba in HoM gambling doesnt inflate mirrors, but everyone gambling them always ends up running themselves down to 0 cards so they keep just removing them from economy

[wheat sinew]

[tranquil sedge]

nobody gives a shit if mirrors rise in price or drop

inflation only matters at an overall economy level

harvest gamble and kingsmarch do not cause inflation to the economy

[fossil mural]

I dislike so much how the other colours lag behind because of this. I wish they made it tri cost

[crisp obsidian]

Are you telling me HoM card prices haven't gone up cause of harvest gamba?

Sheesh

[wheat sinew]

Their price is more than their actual worth so yeah

[crisp obsidian]

I guess it's normal for HoM card to be 2x the value of mirror

Nowaee

[tranquil sedge]

inflation of one standalone item is not important

[crisp obsidian]

No inflation

[tranquil sedge]

overall economy is the only thing that matters

[frigid wedge]

any card ppl gamble with harvest frequently is more than the hand on value

[tawdry olive]

i doubt they'll do it, they love this asymmetric design

[frigid wedge]

i think, inflation on divs is p important

[tranquil sedge]

and hom is supposed to be more than its worth simply from gamble existing, yes

[tranquil sedge]

considering that divines are the basis of trade, its about one and same, so sure

[frigid wedge]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

divine value relative to all other things matters, yes.

[wheat sinew]

Btw pals did we ever figure out the rarity of the experimental jewelry card from factory and ugh the odds of simplex/focus

[pulsar vault]

Why not go on r/VaalStreetBets ?

[wheat sinew]

Wondering if I should make an experiment

[frigid wedge]

i need something to run next league

in terms of content

[opal ingot]

i kidna agree with this. if you take a look at the boss frags ,one piece is always more expensive than the others cuz they're rarer
sacrifice, mortal, uber elder frags

[frigid wedge]

that does not involve putting adversaries divinity and nemesis in my map device again

[tranquil sedge]

the value of a hom baseline isn't even 1/9 of a mirror anyway lol, its more

the moment double or nothing was a thing and people will obviously gamble, the effective base value was always more than their 'on paper' number

[pulsar vault]

Delve :)

[tawdry olive]

its everywhere once you start noticing it, even things like fire res being better

[crisp obsidian]

Surely HoM price being high doesn't affect mirror prices

[tranquil sedge]

the fact that hom can even reach 2x mirror is fact that it doesn't have as much bearing on mirror price as ppl want it to

[frigid wedge]

was leaning towards valdo

[tranquil sedge]

mirrors will go up a bit when hom goes up too yes, but not nearly enough to be an issue

[frigid wedge]

but i need to find way to leaguestart that one ee valdo glad

[tranquil sedge]

and ultimately its all around one item

mirrors, in this example

hom, immortal, requisting love or whatever

all just one item - mirrors

[opal ingot]

did you get knocked down in ur apex match? how are u back so fast

[pulsar vault]

check CaptainLance then, he is a Valdo farmer

[tranquil sedge]

my team is full of morons im afking the match

[opal ingot]

maybe pubs then hotdrop for experience?

[fossil mural]

Mirrors prices have almost no effect on the economy

[opal ingot]

oh XD

[frigid wedge]

i bought his quiver yesterday while he was streaming and confused the shit outta him with one message :D

[tranquil sedge]

more accurate to say mirror prices reflect the economy

[heady cliff]

mirror prices reflect crafting abilities of people

[pulsar vault]

xdd

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

[wheat sinew]

How many years has it been since we got a new minion in Poe ?

[fossil mural]

Well if you artifically spike mirror prices

[frigid wedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/captainlance9/clip/PeppyHonestPresidentRaccAttack-JOTIzw_L0HoRGGrC

[heady cliff]

no triple synthed 6xt1 item, mirror prices gone to dust

[opal ingot]

mirror prices reflect my desire to buy one

[frigid wedge]

3 months

[wheat sinew]

Was reaper the newest one

[crisp obsidian]

XD

[opal ingot]

when i want one it's expensive as fuck relative to other mirror prices in the psat

[wheat sinew]

An actual minion

[opal ingot]

if i want to sell it it's at an all time low

[wheat sinew]

💀

[opal ingot]

then when i want to buy it again it's higher

[crisp obsidian]

Mirror prices determine so many things it's not even funny

[frigid wedge]

living lightning counts as a minion for the purpose of mother's embrace

[tranquil sedge]

like what

[frigid wedge]

no last minion we got was probably a transfig gem

[wheat sinew]

But that's gets deleted so doesn't count

[heady cliff]

we league now

[fossil mural]

Ask grok

[wheat sinew]

[ebon tendon]

If he plays with coruscating it'll be fun

[frigid wedge]

hm?

i bought a triple synth quiver

[wheat sinew]

I refuse to use AI for things people here are probably more knowledgeable about xD

[frigid wedge]

need to finish crafting it but i must go back to nemmie prison

;-;

bc the alva shit makes me want to die

[crisp obsidian]

The price of crafting for example

[fossil mural]

So tru

[wheat sinew]

So about 4 years ago 💀

[tranquil sedge]

confirmed

[tranquil sedge]

why do mirror prices determine that?

[frigid wedge]

didnt we get a trarthan minion

[wheat sinew]

Lmfao

Nah

[tranquil sedge]

and by that i mean what impact do mirror prices have on crafting that is not just happening because of the general economic trend in the game?

[frigid wedge]

lets be real the only thing mirror prices determine is how much u make investing in them and the easy with which u can service shit

[wheat sinew]

We had COOL AS FUCK FIRE TO CHAOS

[heady cliff]

mirrors are not used in crafting

[wheat sinew]

But we lost thta

I wanna cry

[tranquil sedge]

mirrors do not affect crafting.

[opal ingot]

ill give it to you straight - no fluff, just pure facts:

players - collectively - know more about path of exile

[fossil mural]

It doesnt even matter for mirrors crafting, cause you make the fee, not mirror cost

[heady cliff]

you got it other way around

[fossil mural]

Its irrelevant

[heady cliff]

crafting determines mirror prices

[wheat sinew]

The more expensive the craft the more expensive the mirror

[tranquil sedge]

big example everyone who played that league can remember, when sushi finished his phys bow in affliction i think it was?

mirrors spiked to the moon instantly

[frigid wedge]

ok, so yes, but! if mirrors cost more relative to everything else, less people will be able to service the mirror items and therefore the crafter will make less from the fees

[prime hill]

yup

[tranquil sedge]

like, observably insane rise

[opal ingot]

oh yeah i saw that

[heady cliff]

wander league, mirror wands giving you 50% more dps? mirrors very expensive

[prime hill]

mirror prices always jump when someone finishes a fought after mirror piece

[opal ingot]

i think he made a better bow than the one in tft

[tranquil sedge]

it was just a super notable example

[heady cliff]

idk what, minion league, no mirror items giving a lot? mirrors 200d

[tranquil sedge]

he legitimately broke the mirror market

because it was a zero fee bow

[frigid wedge]

mirrors are more expensive this league because theres nothing fucking dropping

[tranquil sedge]

and best bow too

[prime hill]

funny thing is

mirror fee helps to not make mirror price instantly go x2

LMAO

[tranquil sedge]

yea but the fees on tft are incredibly high tbh

[crisp obsidian]

The more mirrorcrafts that are being done the higher the crafting costs

[tranquil sedge]

that has nothing to do with the price of mirrors.

[frigid wedge]

imma go shower dont kill each other

[prime hill]

oops i dont wanna get banned

just in case

[pulsar dune]

has the std mirror price changed historically?

[opal ingot]

lol

[fossil mural]

I am still not sure how cost of crafting a mirror-tier item affect cost of a mirror. The amount of them on the market shouldnt matter - if there is only one mirror bow or 10 - it doesnt change how desireable the item is

[pulsar dune]

or is it always the 1500d

[tranquil sedge]

ur replying to the wrong person

i never said the cost of crafting it affects it

[crisp obsidian]

The higher the mirror price the less people are willing to mirror items the less profitable it becomes

[frigid wedge]

only relation between mirror cost and mirror crafting is how many times the crafter gets currency from their fee for the item

[fossil mural]

Well you agreed with fish

[tranquil sedge]

higher mirror price > fewer mirrored copies > less profitable it becomes to craft

how is any of that related to upfront craft cost

[fossil mural]

I guess he said just crafting, not the cost of crafting

[crisp obsidian]

Less mirrorcrafts being done == less expensive crafting being done == people are paying less for crafting == crafting is cheaper

[ebon tendon]

Was like 1.2k in late 3.25 then later in 3.26 jumped a lot

[fossil mural]

Thats not fish 🐴

[ebon tendon]

To like 1.6k

[tranquil sedge]

the thing i agreed with fish on was, crafted items can affect mirror price

if there is demand for certain gear to mirror and someone makes it

it can and will affect mirror prices

[ebon tendon]

Idk if it'll lower, (or if that has ever happened)

[tranquil sedge]

isnt the 1500d price a spike from some time ago

i thought it used to be cheaper at some point idrm exactly

[opal ingot]

man just seeing poe tag just fucking infuriates me man

[crisp obsidian]

The more mirror items that are being crafted the more expensive normal crafts are

[opal ingot]

reminds me of an argument with someone i had in the past XD

when will the anger subside

[prime hill]

how much is a mirror in keepers now

still around 700ish?

[heady cliff]

unrelated - i think someone who plays poe market understands more of economy than random hedge fund manager

because poe economy is not protected by regulations

[opal ingot]

it's protected by the people 🙏

[prime hill]

yeah nothing stops from someone killing whole supply

then relisting for x2-x3 money

which is, actually what happens on wealthy leagues

[fossil mural]

@timid sapphire do mirror prices have an effect on economy, or does the economy affect mirror prices

[heady cliff]

you could study market behavior in raw form and understand what happens when you gamble it

[tranquil sedge]

i think practically this only really affects synth gear

and maybe imprints + hinekora's to a lesser extent, if that

mirror gear is far enough removed from normal gear that its most players aren't going to notice much difference

practically this only really affects synth gear
and also here again i state crafting costs, not whether or not making ur mirror item is profitable or not, if u aren't first to the market, ofc its a loss

[crisp obsidian]

Mirror crafting takes so much that it has to affect the economy

[opal ingot]

why does he have 2 infractions XD what did he do

[crisp obsidian]

Otherwise it's not mirrortier

[tranquil sedge]

that is not what mirror tier means, at all

[heady cliff]

it does not take much of "normal" crafting currency

[tranquil sedge]

mirror tier literally just means the craft cost averages to greater than one mirror

or its headache enough to make that people will copy it even if it costs less than 1 mirror to make on average

that is literally all it means

[heady cliff]

iirc synth reroll beasts are vast majority of the mirror item costs

[fossil mural]

Its a follow up. If mirror prices are higher -> less people mirroring -> less profit in mirror crafting -> materials for crafting cost less

[tranquil sedge]

and most of the cost btw nowadays are literally just the implicits on half the things

[crisp obsidian]

The average mirrotier item takes way more than 1mirr to craft lul

[tranquil sedge]

and the other half well its using things that are supplied so much into the economy

that its not a bigger deal

[pulsar dune]

I remember sushi burning like 300 tailoring orbs on his mirror chest

[spice pecan]

do people even mirror craft after like month 1

[tranquil sedge]

thats literally the first thing i wrote in that sentence

[opal ingot]

🍿

[fossil mural]

Some people do for themself or if its like a giga project for fun

[heady cliff]

if your mirror items costs 5 mirror to make, expect it having 3-4 mirror in synth beasts

[fossil mural]

Or maybe if its a crafting leg

For std collection

[wheat sinew]

So we got 5 days heh

[crisp obsidian]

You said averages to greater than mirror, that would mean 1.000000001 mirror counts

[tranquil sedge]

any craft that involves +1 crafted mod enchant is cooked if u dont start on that base

its so rare

[heady cliff]

and finishing actual affixes would take 1-2 mir at most

[tranquil sedge]

if u want to make stupid arguments im not bothering with this

either argue in good faith or dont talk smh

[pulsar dune]

yea, it apparently saved like 50-ish locks

[tranquil sedge]

back to apex it is

[opal ingot]

pick maggie

become like her

[native abyss]

wingman only

[prime hill]

mirror tier items usually cost like 4-5 mirrors to craft

lol

[fossil mural]

I remember when apex was good ||(never)||

[tranquil sedge]

dont generalize

the number could be literally anything

[opal ingot]

apex is phenomenal !

[prime hill]

most of the crafts I knew or saw was around that price

[opal ingot]

like pure gameplay wise

[heady cliff]

mirror tier item for 300d

[prime hill]

aurabot crafts are also pretty expensive

[heady cliff]

remember harvest? xD

[tranquil sedge]

and most of that will be the implicits too if its a snyth item

[opal ingot]

in terms of monetization, servers... uhhh

cheater problems... uhh

[crisp obsidian]

But what I am saying is average mirror craft takes way more than a mirror in costs

It's not a stupid argument

It is just the truth

The average mirrortier ring base is like 2-3 mirrors already

[heady cliff]

so every craft mirrored is craft not created, thus greatly reducing demands on crafting mats in the market

[tranquil sedge]

sure
im not disagreeing

but the moment the average cost surpasses 1 mirror, it already becomes worth to just copy

im just defining a threshold for mirror tier

the point at which, you would rather copy than make

[fickle glen]

When exploding an enemy, does the radius depend on the size of the enemy?

[tranquil sedge]

1 mirror craft
or <1 mirror craft but too hard to make

[onyx adder]

Good point

[pulsar vault]

no it's fixed

[fossil mural]

I think this is true for your own minions? Not sure if matters for enemies

[onyx adder]

Delete mirrors they ruin the economy

[crisp obsidian]

Untrue, depends on the copy costs

[heady cliff]

that was a cursed question, i imagined exploding doedre

[fossil mural]

Add sanctification

[tranquil sedge]

fine add in copy costs xd
thankfully we got sushi and echo and the random players who make stuff 😄

wrong person kid

[pulsar vault]

Base explosion radius is fixed but can be modified by aoe modifiers

[opal ingot]

i wonder if echo shop makes int stacking ts gear every league

[fickle glen]

Got it

[granite grotto]

as long as the build is good, people will make gear for it

[pulsar vault]

I think stackers will be a little nerfed next league

[fossil mural]

If your minion is big, and has a big displacement box, then the explosion radius starts not from the center of the minion, but from the edge of its box

[pulsar dune]

nah, mark will just say that it's annoying how every build is a stacker now in the interview while the new league brings 8 more stacker payoff uniques

[opal ingot]

someone in tencent must be holding them at gunpoint

"make more stacking uniques"

[wheat sinew]

I need plants vs zombies in path of exile

[fossil mural]

At least add more stuff for underused stackers. Like res stacking and shi

[pulsar vault]

The problem is that stackers are not a problem in the game right now, like they are strong at a specific level of currency so they dont need to be nerfed asap

[crisp obsidian]

I hope ggg caps all stats to 200

[granite grotto]

blight rework fr

[fossil mural]

Current int stackers are like

Stupid strong

[pulsar dune]

they kinda have been doing that

[fossil mural]

At budget

[pulsar vault]

what's the budget ?

[wheat sinew]

Your towers get affected by minion dmg and attack speed

[pulsar dune]

int/accu is an abberation that needs to be nerfed, yeah

[wheat sinew]

Uga buga

[fickle glen]

They also hold them at gun point to make everything on console worse for poe

[fossil mural]

Double digit divs

[pulsar vault]

99 or 10 ?

[fossil mural]

1.1 divs

[pulsar dune]

the rest of the stackers are pretty fine tbh

[wheat sinew]

Me when mjolner alone exists and bricks that cap

[crisp obsidian]

No, you can blame Sony and Xbox for that

[tranquil sedge]

i was about to say thats one season
but then i remembered keepers is going core LOL

[wheat sinew]

or the garp

[pulsar vault]

So maybe nerf inc

[fossil mural]

Its getting obliterated lets be real

[wheat sinew]

Keepers to big leagues for shure

[tranquil sedge]

i mean, hopefully yes

[granite grotto]

yea int/acc gotta be getting a giga nerf

[fossil mural]

Like that claw might just not exist

[pulsar dune]

msoz is more the skill than the build tbh

[fickle glen]

Microsoft Is gonna do good with the new console

[wheat sinew]

The claw will trusttt

They wouldn't kill a build right

Righttt

[crisp obsidian]

A good console will never exist

[tranquil sedge]

with no ram and storage and gpus, what console?

[granite grotto]

as long as they dont kill my standard build, I'll be happy

[pulsar vault]

Look at FrostBlade of Katabasis

[short prairie]

A good console = PC

[fickle glen]

They call it steam deck or w/e

[tranquil sedge]

thats a handheld, not rly a console

[bold scarab]

They do it all the time

[pulsar dune]

they'll just drop the magnitude to like 1% per 50

[wheat sinew]

Must have been the wind, what's that spell you talk about

[short prairie]

Nothing can beat PCs right now

[pulsar vault]

I can

I can beat a PC

[crisp obsidian]

Yes, so a good console will never exist cause a good console would need to be a PC

[crisp obsidian]

Handheld

[fossil mural]

Nah, theyll nerf the boots I bet

[wheat sinew]

I know I cry cuz they killed all my minion builds

[pulsar dune]

the boots would actually be insane

[bold scarab]

gg

[short prairie]

Hopefully not physically

[tranquil sedge]

RIP frost blades of katabasis 3.25-3.25

[stoic horizon]

cant wait to run og unoptimized ark on ultra on you

[tranquil sedge]

it lived for literally one league LOL

[fickle glen]

Hand held? Like a tablet?

[bold scarab]

Almost every build I've ever played is either dead or on life support

[short prairie]

😭

[pulsar dune]

surely the problem is boots and not the 10mil accuracy

[granite grotto]

and it was beautiful

[pulsar vault]

You can run everything on me :))

[tranquil sedge]

steam deck is not a console, it is a thing you hold in your hand so its handheld

[pulsar dune]

how much accu do you get actually

[ebon tendon]

Used = nerf

[pulsar vault]

I just hope

[wheat sinew]

Play slams or msoz

[fossil mural]

If Ive learned anything about ggg is that they like to make these kinds of changes

[tranquil sedge]

just like rog ally, and lenovo legion go, and razer edge, and so on

those are handhelds.

[pulsar vault]

That phys damage gonna get some love

[wheat sinew]

Trust it will never get nerfed

Kek

[stoic horizon]

glad i chose to leaguestart it back then

[wheat sinew]

Also holy shit

[fossil mural]

Msoz will actually never get nerfed thats true

[pulsar dune]

if we keep int/accu but lose boots I'm 100% playing that lmao

[crisp obsidian]

Like 3ds, gameboy, phones, tablets, psp, whatever similar

[stoic horizon]

the build was cool

[fickle glen]

If it’s better than console then I’m all for it

[wheat sinew]

It was so bad playing msoz on breach league

[bold scarab]

I always end up falling into the worst skills that get gutted for no reason in the next league

[wheat sinew]

Like straight up worse skill to use

[tranquil sedge]

doubt

[granite grotto]

I had ~200k on mine with a couple mirrored items

[tranquil sedge]

those are portable gaming devices

[pulsar vault]

msoz is boring

[tranquil sedge]

if ur sitting in one spot to play all the time its a waste of money

buy a console or a pc

[stoic horizon]

well yeah, garbage clear skill on clear league

[wheat sinew]

It's projectiles go brrr

[ebon tendon]

Msoz to kill boxes

[short prairie]

At least I played it in one of phox’s leagues and had around 15m dps

[wheat sinew]

I was like might as well play earthshatter

It's better and stronger

[bold scarab]

I'm afraid that if I played heavy strike even it might get nerfed out of nowhere

[wheat sinew]

[spice pecan]

i didn't try life based LS or frostblades because that claw craft looked horrible

[crisp obsidian]

Claws were ez to craft

[wheat sinew]

Naaah they would buff it for how okay it is

[pulsar dune]

hm, yea, it's not that insane then

[fossil mural]

Lets collectively boost sweep playrate to double digits

[pulsar vault]

Life based build -> Goatmen Chaman -> Molten Shell -> Dead

[stoic horizon]

do it

[pulsar dune]

how much flat are the boots at 200k accu (post boots)

[onyx adder]

Sweep isnt THAT bad tbh

[bold scarab]

I've played mid skills that still got gutted ... I've played bad skills that only got worse because they were adjacent mechanics to good skills ... Ggg is so dumb sometimes

[pulsar vault]

Sweep is popo

[ebon tendon]

Inb4 viper strike of mamba is nerfed just fir being used with acc stacker

[stoic horizon]

sweep needs another +1 range trust

[gritty epoch]

Sweep

[fossil mural]

Theyll nerf heavy strike of trarthus

[onyx adder]

Na its just bad

[spice pecan]

i mean, mamba does not need to have 900% DE

[onyx adder]

Theres like

[wheat sinew]

Nah

[crisp obsidian]

Mamba is the #1 strike skill in terms of damage atm

[spice pecan]

like at all

[pulsar dune]

They're 100% deleting hit mamba, yea

[wheat sinew]

Doubt doubt

[onyx adder]

Multiple tiers of bad below bad

Like i said yesterday

[fossil mural]

This guy gets it

[wheat sinew]

Me when they killed ashes

[gritty epoch]

Sweep is playable yeah it's bad tho

[bold scarab]

They should uncap the stacking ... 100% double dmg ... 200% triple dmg ... 300% quad dmg

[pulsar vault]

You want to make Sweep good ? Add a new line (Sweeped enemies has broken stance taking %1 more damage per distance knocback) :)

[onyx adder]

The tiers of league starter are earthshatter, great, good, mediocre, bad, unplayable, fireball

Sweep is bad

[pulsar dune]

3k5 flat stacker payoff is actually not that crazy, the boots really aren't that good, huh

jiquani hits like triple that

[ebon tendon]

Same thing with splitting steel and EE so ig thats just how it is

[wheat sinew]

sunder into Earthshatter and ez life

[fossil mural]

I leg started fireball in kalandra on ssf selfmade

[pulsar dune]

I hope dot mamba keeps being usable

but it is GGG

so I'm not holding my breath

[short prairie]

I wish claw flicker is good

[bold scarab]

That sounds like hell ... Even burning arrow would be less pain

[wheat sinew]

I need to make a build that doesn't rely on heist cuz boy I'm burnt out of heist items but all stackers need them so no stacker kek

[spice pecan]

mace flicker when

[fossil mural]

I went arc and then ls soon after maps

[granite grotto]

I kinda hope I can play spark again, spark fun skill

[bold scarab]

Lol

[pulsar vault]

When mace good ?

[gritty epoch]

They need to make certain pinnacle boss immune to knock back for sweep

[whole bluff]

Flicker shockwave

[wheat sinew]

When msoz

And you use the replica frostbreath

[short prairie]

Prob never cuz aspd is most important with flicker

[bold scarab]

Inverted knock back exists

[pulsar vault]

All pinnacle bosses are immune to knockback

[gritty epoch]

Nope

[fossil mural]

Sweep shouldnt knockback at all lol, it sweeps your feet - not pushes you away. It should maybe scale with knockback, but not actually do it

[pulsar vault]

What

[pulsar dune]

brightbeak ele hit trust

[pulsar vault]

I thought it was changed during Betrayal rework ?

[fossil mural]

Nope

[gritty epoch]

Exarch for one can be knocked back

[bold scarab]

It should push the enemy sideways in the direction it swings ... Not backwards lel

[fossil mural]

They should add a new status effect - prone

[pulsar vault]

"Immune To Knockback" Why do you lie :(

[fossil mural]

Just for sweep

[gritty epoch]

I played sweep I swear

[fossil mural]

Go fight exarch

You can actually push em

[bold scarab]

Bring poe2 stun bar and heavy stun specifically for sweep alone

[gritty epoch]

U can knock back eater/exarch

[pulsar vault]

This is a bug then

[short prairie]

Sweep decent but bad without invert knockback

[pulsar vault]

Because they have the "Cannot be Knocked Back" modifier

[wheat sinew]

And shatterheart

[fossil mural]

One thats not been fixed since forever then

[wheat sinew]

So you get staggered every time your shield breaks

Trust

[bold scarab]

I want the palm skills ... Well mostly just staggering palm

Lel

[fossil mural]

Dont you dare touch my boy

[pulsar vault]

"We will need to add animations for it so no" - Jo

[wheat sinew]

Too late

[crisp obsidian]

I want nothing out of poe2 into poe1, keep the games different thanks

[wheat sinew]

I've collected so many of them

[crisp obsidian]

I want to enjoy both

[wheat sinew]

I effectively have ownership of that item trust

[short prairie]

When do we get patch notes

[bold scarab]

Animations that you probably won't even be able to see under your skill mtx anyway

[crisp obsidian]

After stream usually

[gritty epoch]

We need lightning skills to be able to electrocute as well since lightning is not op enough

[pulsar vault]

Thursday- 26

[fossil mural]

I wish you could get dw shields, so I can squire shattershard

[short prairie]

Right o forgor

[wheat sinew]

Me when I have the barricade build

Put on bramblejack

And rule the world

[bold scarab]

We need a pure cold summonable minion ... That's like not tied to another minion

[wheat sinew]

I wish reflect builds were less memey in poe1

[bold scarab]

So like no ice skele mages don't count

[short prairie]

Thorns

[wheat sinew]

Like it's possible just ... Bad

[wheat sinew]

No reflect

[bold scarab]

Also ice golem is like 90% phys dmg

[fossil mural]

It would fit poe1 a lot more too, as its an autobomber playstyle

[wheat sinew]

Thorns are only a poe2 thing

[bold scarab]

So it doesn't count either

[wheat sinew]

[pulsar vault]

Reflect build in PoE1 : Reflect 50 damage to enemy attacker

[wheat sinew]

Yeaaa

[bold scarab]

We had reflect ... For negative 2 days ... They pre patched it out of the game before the league even launched

[wheat sinew]

I've already done a build in the past that kills UE on reflect

[short prairie]

They can make reflect true damage and scale with something

[wheat sinew]

But boy it was actual cancer

[pulsar dune]

torchoak step is real trust

[fossil mural]

Thorns are just better reflect, cause reflect as a mechanic comes with its own can of worms. Like impale is reflect

[wheat sinew]

I mean yeah in poe2 reflect actually can kill endgame bosses without issues

And there is massive support for it on tree

And it can crit! XD

[fossil mural]

And you cant do it for reflect cause its just weird

I feel like it doesnt belong on a player

[wheat sinew]

My biggest scam in poe2 was

Bramblejack being the only reflect item in the game

[tight plinth]

what is it with reddit and kingsmarch, everyday theres a plan to replace kingsmarch or nuke it

[bold scarab]

And you can manual block for 100% chance to take no damage on most things and still use thorns

[wheat sinew]

Literally doesn't work with thorns

And is????? Why

Why not work 🥺🥺

"cuz it's reflected damage" and not "thorns damage"

[fossil mural]

Kingsmarch is a mobile mechanic that has no place in poe

[bold scarab]

Ye reflected damage implies you had to take dmg first ... While thorns is just damage when you get hit regardless of if you took dmg from that hit

[wheat sinew]

It still works if you don't get hit

And is the only item in the game that has reflected damage as text

[bold scarab]

Lol

Nvm

[wheat sinew]

Every other item is thorns

[fossil mural]

Yes bramblejack is a forgotten item

They even changed it in 0.2 I believe

But it kept reflect

[wheat sinew]

YEAP

Like brooooooooo

[bold scarab]

Blame ggg for making 99% of uniques completely unusable trash

[wheat sinew]

Why have THE ICONIC REFLECT/THORN CHESTPLATE

[bold scarab]

Either it's a bad effect ... Or it's on a bad base

[wheat sinew]

Not be the iconic one you use for poe2

Q.Q

[fossil mural]

It would be dope if ggg added retaliate skills that are actually retaliate

Like attacks that trigger

On getting hit

[bold scarab]

We have that as a support

[wheat sinew]

We have that

[fossil mural]

For spells

[bold scarab]

Honestly at least in poe2 when we get swords

[fossil mural]

You cant make crushing fist fall on its own

[wheat sinew]

We have the shield no

[bold scarab]

I want a parry meta gem

And basically

You put a skill in it ... Use parry to block ... And then it triggers the skill on block

[fossil mural]

Shattershard? Its not an attack

[bold scarab]

Sword version of parry

Could treat it like the spellslinger wand

Or it could just be implicit to all swords

[fossil mural]

Tbh if shatterhard were an attack

[bold scarab]

But ye

[fossil mural]

It would be good I imagine

[frigid wedge]

shsttershard is still p good

[fossil mural]

Its okay