1┃general

[finite quail]

[loud geyser]

ROFL

[tranquil sedge]

...no you can't

that isn't even close to 'lots'

[loud geyser]

to be fair yes you can, sure not the immense amounts you can get from a normally modded map

[cobalt blade]

you can if its a corrupted no mod rare map you use twist of fate on

[loud geyser]

but you can still get a decent amount of gold

[tranquil sedge]

that isn't even 'decent'

that is piss poor

[cobalt blade]

also anything less than 40-50k gold in a map is pretty irrelevant

[tranquil sedge]

considering that the base standard is just alch and go t16s lol

[cobalt blade]

you can get like 30-40k gold running a synth map

[tranquil sedge]

anything less than an alch and go t16 is dogshit

you're just wasting time if you try to get gold at a rate worse than that

better off just grinding to improve your build instead and farm gold later

[loud geyser]

true alch and go is my standard tbh

[tranquil sedge]

im not trying to be rude or crap on you, its just that there's enough misconceptions about kingsmarch that i call out things related to that whenever necessary

[loud geyser]

i didn't think you were being rude 😛

i do agree that alch and go should be baseline

what i said is highly disagreeable for factual reasons

i base it off trying it myself, maybe because i didn't reach nuts level of gameplay yet i have yet to see and comprehend the comparison

[earnest sapphire]

i think u and I have drastically different definitions of "a lot"

[worldly bridge]

apparently alch then vaal is baseline

as ive learned

it should really be pushed on the player more to vaal their maps if thats what is intended

[loud geyser]

if i was doing the double corrupt atlas mod i would prob do this, or would corrupt to push an already high quant map

[worldly bridge]

i only ever do it for progression

[loud geyser]

otherwise i don't risk adding unnecessarily difficult mods

[earnest sapphire]

lowk i dont think very many ppl actually vaal their maps

ppl who run corrupted maps just run 8mods

[worldly bridge]

they dont

i have always ran just alch'd maps

up until phrecia i did a fe 8mods

[loud geyser]

yeah i spent too much time fucking around with random ass builds that end up costing too much

im gna play something meta as leaguestart for mirage

then cook after

[cobalt blade]

i do both once ive built up 1-2 regular tabs worth of a map

[earnest sapphire]

only time i vaal my maps is during progression

[cobalt blade]

alch vaal for the quality

[earnest sapphire]

then i just buy 8mods or roll for good mods on t16.5s

[cobalt blade]

atleast for non 16.5/t17

[worldly bridge]

run like 5 t17s with a shit ton of map chance then never have to farm again

[tawdry olive]

Take twist of fate so that your atlas vaals your map for you

[worldly bridge]

spend 200c on 17s just to come out with like 500c of t16s

[cobalt blade]

you still have to vaal it

though this is actually a fun strat

[tawdry olive]

oh right i forgot

[cobalt blade]

specifically on t17's where you delete shitty citadels

or on vaal temples

[tranquil sedge]

most ppl misunderstanding why juicing maps even works

[tawdry olive]

tbh depending on your strat, its also just great for being able to chuck whatever trash T16 into your map device and have the expected value of an 8 mod map in return

[tranquil sedge]

its coz basically everything is a 'more' modifier not an 'increased'

[tawdry olive]

without having to buy or farm maps, you do sometimes need to run ass layouts

[worldly bridge]

anyway its back to all ears progression for me

[cobalt blade]

gl not missing anything

[worldly bridge]

havent yet

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2948321869

blessed be the guide

[earnest sapphire]

and thats y we drop no loot 😔

[cobalt blade]

ah nice

[worldly bridge]

yeah im not doing all ears with no guide, you can very easily brick the run by doing stuff out of order

[tight plinth]

[hard cliff]

thanks

[loud geyser]

im so interested to find out what "Choose your wish" means for mirage

[hard cliff]

[hard cliff]

one wish per account

[loud geyser]

will there be a wish system when you enter a map?

[tawdry olive]

if one day i say im going for that achievement yall need to check me into therapy there must be something wrong

[worldly bridge]

my guess is its gonna be like altars with a upside downside

[loud geyser]

time acceleration mechanics?

or deceleration?

[cobalt blade]

??

[cobalt blade]

i wish for scion spark to be the meta

[loud geyser]

what if its like sekhemas in poe2 where there will be a foutain we drink from in the map and it creates an effect as you say like shrines

[worldly bridge]

neither

i dont think this has anything to do with speed

its more so, chronology

the order of things

[tight plinth]

i wish a for very endowed goth gf

[worldly bridge]

not how fast they happen

[loud geyser]

i swear the first teaser

gave the impression of time mechanics

[worldly bridge]

is fucking with the order of events in a timeline not "time" enough for you

time can be more than speed up and slow down

[loud geyser]

true

theyre gonna cook some shit

we're going to the desert

[worldly bridge]

moderate size girlies stand up

the round and the flat have gotten it too well for too long

everything in moderation they say

[stuck phoenix]

Be realistic.
I wish for a cosmetic that isn't edgy or cool.

[hard cliff]

I wish self cast spells get support gem buffs

[ember goblet]

i wish for $700

[hard cliff]

you can make that in the time between leagues

[tight plinth]

they should make infused channeling work for normal hand cast spells

[loud geyser]

so with the graft tree staying, i guess breach wont make it back onto the atlas tree and we'll continue with the graft tree?

[tight plinth]

infused casting or something

[loud geyser]

or is that tbd

i imagine they can still remove some elements from the graft tree (like how implants are being removed)

[hard cliff]

Make infused channeling turn any spell into a ramping channeling spell

[loud geyser]

and give us back breach on atlas

options like "walls no longer appear in breaches" or some shit

[tight plinth]

we already have that

[hard cliff]

pinpoint?

[worldly bridge]

mfw they literally said that

do people not read the posts

or like, know how adding a league works

😭

[tight plinth]

no the other one

[worldly bridge]

if they add it to core theyre obv going to add passives

[tight plinth]

intensify

idk why its only for area damage tho

[loud geyser]

ohhh nice

[hard cliff]

[tight plinth]

or they could just have intensity built in for hand cast tbh

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Intensify_Support

I wonder what this would be good on

firestorm

[worldly bridge]

isnt aoe bad for firestorm because its spread out

so it hits single target less

[tight plinth]

yep

i wonder how early do blight maps start being sold

[cobalt blade]

ye intensify gives you less aoe for ST more for mapping

w/+1 intensify mastery quite good

[worldly bridge]

i just learned you can brand recall to tactical nuke bosses with armagedon brand

this is awesome

[cobalt blade]

oh you should look into the saboteur triggerbots setup for that

its funky

[tight plinth]

how do you search for divine inscribed ultimatum?

[tight plinth]

oh im dumb

[cobalt blade]

and the % more monster life mod determines the tier of the ultimatum

[tight plinth]

i was using the stat filter

[tight plinth]

where do you see that?

[cobalt blade]

just the mod on the ulti

30>70>120>200

so you just add it as a stat filter

[steel light]

@cobalt blade u know this reward type is from currency or?

[cobalt blade]

its its own reward type

afaik none of those affect your chances for it most of them are gotten from 5:1ing ultis

if you do all 200% more monster life ultis in your vendor you only get 200% more monster life ones and this is a 200% monster life only one

[steel light]

so currency max is on 8D 30% damage 120% health, there's no further better reward from 50% 200%?

[cobalt blade]

i actually dont know if they increases the cap to a 16d sacrifice after increasing dorb stack but i think yes

[steel light]

like unique 50% 200% usually will be t0 and div card will be those OP cards reward

[cobalt blade]

yea

[steel light]

there's no further more than 8D i think, i've not see any lock or mirror related currency
hence i was thinking if copy is weirdly listed under currency

[viscid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/accept-tf2-call-solder-mge-gif-15493589622082641537

give me your most basado build hijosdelaverga

[brazen vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1454483616884064348/1473592926113370238/gifgit.gif

[ocean field]

how much max ele hit do you typically need?

when running fully juiced t17

[tight plinth]

more than 200

[ocean field]

....

200 what apples oranges

[cobalt blade]

as much as youcan because your gonna be running -max pen maps

with volatiles

[ocean field]

ah one exception assuming I don't run max pen maps then??

volatiles I have suppress shouldn't pose too much of a threat

[cobalt blade]

prolly like 100k-150k is fine assuming non conditional

less if HH build

[ocean field]

hmm

150K huh

damm

I thought I could swap my resistance flasks to something else

but it looks like I can't

[cobalt blade]

your asking for maps that end up with 2-3 damage mods including the t17 200% phys as extra before mod effect or whatever

lol

[ocean field]

yeah true

[tranquil sedge]

i mean it depends on what 'juice' is

[ocean field]

juice as in worst possible

except say the ele pen

[tranquil sedge]

yea 6 figure ele max hits pretty much then

and high 5 figure phys and chaos

[cobalt blade]

phys is somewhat mitigated by being evasion+block but yeah

[tranquil sedge]

for reference i had like 50k phys max hit in 3.26 unconditionally and i was still getting clapped by catarina plenty in t17s if i rolled like triple damage mods or something with enough juice like titanic and stuff

[cobalt blade]

20-30k phys max hit and like 80% evade feels good enough

[surreal musk]

100k phys 300k ele

[cobalt blade]

With the exception of xandro

[tranquil sedge]

'worst possible' is an incredibly high bar

'required to realistically farm well juiced t17s' is a lot lower

[ocean field]

caterina clap is mostly lack of block no?

[tranquil sedge]

especially if you can make up for it with recovery or damage

[tranquil sedge]

does that really matter lol

all she needs is to hit me hard enough once

[cobalt blade]

Nah she just does base phys converted to ele so phys as extra destroys you

[tranquil sedge]

^

and in 3.26 you could get north of like 700% phys as ele on a t17 if you rolled all the mods at once

[ocean field]

hmm let me run a cooked map and check

[cobalt blade]

yuuup

With inc aoe for extra fun

[ocean field]

what worst mods btw

[cobalt blade]

unstable tentacle fiends with -max pen phys as extra

[tranquil sedge]

this was my msoz jugg in 3.26, here's my max hits with and without immortal call

you do not have uptime on immortal call, obviously, its only there occasionally

and i died plenty often with the wrong set of mods coz i refused to not run those maps

[cobalt blade]

progen?

[tranquil sedge]

yep

[cobalt blade]

Ah explains the max hit then

[tranquil sedge]

the next upgrade for tank would have been sublime vision lol but i stopped before that

[cobalt blade]

sublime honestly makes you less tanky in some of them

[tranquil sedge]

https://pobb.in/1AligEYZNdLQ
here's the pob, ignore the damage it makes no sense idk anymore about the configs

[cobalt blade]

losing flesh and stone is pain

Makes you more tanky on average though in most content

[ocean field]

am I tweaking or is there only 2 mods for damage

[cobalt blade]

definitely are

[ocean field]

I missed this one

but that seems to be it

hmm

[cobalt blade]

these are all damage mods

[tranquil sedge]

the ceiling might be lower now i dont recall if 700% phys as extra was with risk scarabs, might have been?

and map effect's been nerfed now of course

[ocean field]

yeah but these don't care about max hits

I am crit immune

[tranquil sedge]

max hit is only one side of the equation

[ocean field]

only thing being an actual issue is maximum resistances

[tranquil sedge]

the less recovery you have the more max hit you need to make up for not being at full all the time

so things like chain and aoe and extra proj start mattering

[cobalt blade]

marked for death is 50% inc damage taken less defence is gonna destroy your es

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-arrival-gif-27137972

[ocean field]

with 1 rare right with 2 rare

[cobalt blade]

wdym if you have chain on the map some attacks just straight up hit you 3 more times

[tranquil sedge]

whats a rare

[ocean field]

yellow mobs

yellow nametags

bruh

[tranquil sedge]

oh okay
idk what that had to do with this lol

[ocean field]

assasin accendy

[tranquil sedge]

o

its not like this can't run t17s

[cobalt blade]

youll get hard cooked by less defence on that

-50% of your ES and evasion is fun

[ocean field]

yes I will make sure not to run them 🙂

[tranquil sedge]

honestly just go run some maps

like you'll find out real quick if ur tanky or not

pob is fun to a limit after that just play the game lol

[ocean field]

I am goona try caterina

[cobalt blade]

this is also a fun damage mod

love hasted aoe catarina

[spice pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJoIAWYqak

banger alert

[tranquil sedge]

truly, fuck kalandra league

[spice pecan]

[tranquil sedge]

i haven't watched the video but don't need a video to agree with that

[spice pecan]

its about way more than kalandra

so far it's pretty good, it's way higher than his normal production quality

[ocean field]

gonna try this

[silent leaf]

holy shit the league where my journey began

[spice pecan]

hope you didn't step outside the circle

[silent leaf]

nah

[hard cliff]

ok let me cook

chat what do you think

https://pobb.in/6OXlKtCt7ngp

screw that

this looks way cooler

bitter dream 9 link is crazy

[barren river]

no one cares

[ocean field]

what has gotten your knickers in a knot

[hard cliff]

I care

https://tenor.com/view/matt-jackson-young-bucks-big-show-chokeslam-table-gif-17769057

[tight plinth]

https://pobb.in/oJNoPAcUpJbg

[barren river]

who would care if I post a fucking div/horny scarab ting at the end of the league, or even worse: on std

[hard cliff]

yours?

[ocean field]

@tranquil sedge ok I will try this out fam wish me luck

[tight plinth]

no, its from some rando channel i passed by the other day

that is without the spikes damage btw

[hard cliff]

thats awesome

very interesting weapon choice

[tight plinth]

ngl, it looks good for how basic the gear is

[barren river]

fract t1 chaos on a helm

[tight plinth]

i mean you could use another frac and use chaos res essence

[barren river]

is this a joke

not very league starter to me

[split pagoda]

id much rather just play a normal slammer

[barren river]

i'd rather not play a slammer

[ocean field]

well time to put the theory to test

[barren river]

ewwwww

[hard cliff]

goodnight

[tight plinth]

nini

[barren river]

ninini

[worldly bridge]

what kind of weapon do i want for brand levfelling

in HC

just anything with flat dmg to spells or sceptres

[heady cliff]

+2/+4 honourhome

(not a weapon but whatever)

[worldly bridge]

im not

buying a unique

[brazen vector]

and people laughed at me for listing it at that price, smh smh

[bold scarab]

Wand

[worldly bridge]

id have to actually roll the sockets and shit

[bold scarab]

Wand just easiest ... And lets you use a shield for shield charge

[worldly bridge]

whoever shared the brand levelling a fwe days ago, the pob uses a one handed axe and a sceptre lmao

[bold scarab]

And you can use the ele res shields to level with to get some free res

Eventually probably Sceptre and spell shield

Then swap shield charge for leap slam

But you need alot of cast speed to make up for the base type downgrade

1.4 down to 1.1 will be noticeable

[worldly bridge]

i prefer shield charge most fo the time

but i have a sceptre rn

havent found a better wand yet

[bold scarab]

Then ye probably just stick to wand and normal shields

Well it depends

If it's penance brand the reason they might have been using the axe was probably to do something dot related

Either that or battlemage/spellblade and just converting flat dmg to flat spell dmg

[worldly bridge]

armageddon

BRUH

you cant craft flat spell daamge if it already exists on the item

why do attacks get all the cool shit

[bold scarab]

Because attacks need all the cool shit to even compete with spells

Spells have implicitly high base dmg that scales a lot better with gem levels

While attacks don't scale all that well with levels ... And get their flat dmg from your flat dmg

And they just add a multiplier to it (positive or negative)

Not saying flat dmg to spells is useless ... It just falls off a cliff by middle maps

[worldly bridge]

attack player plays a real spell build for once

i dont consider my aristocrat a real spell build

that build got so much free shit from nothing

[spice pecan]

i think it finally hit me guys

strats were so mid this league that we had videos of people vendoring scarabs, to sell to others, who would then vendor them and repeat

crying in the club rn

[worldly bridge]

ok kitava time

[worldly bridge]

whar

you cna vendor scarabs?

[spice pecan]

3 to 1

[worldly bridge]

ooooo

didnt know you could do that

neato

[finite quail]

Scarab vendoring is almost always profit

[spice pecan]

it's just like, sad

[finite quail]

But it takes a shit ton of gold and a good amount of players playing

It's also very tedious

[spice pecan]

it didn't even take gold if you just bulk sell your tabs after you pick the good ones out

but yeah, still

[finite quail]

Going one by one on faustus listing checking the prices to find good ratios

Ugh

Don't wanna do that ever again

[spice pecan]

idk it just made me kinda bummed when i realized that both fub and empy made videos on vendoring scarabs because there was little else to even do in terms of juicing

[worldly bridge]

jokes on you i do that with all of my scarabs anyway

[finite quail]

If they're mine and I farmed them sure

I don't keep shitty scarabs like the ultimatum or einhar spawn ones

[tawdry olive]

fub of all people making a harvest video is just

[finite quail]

heyyy guuyysss i fell victim to the harvestgoon disease

[livid quarry]

poverty turns ppl

into horrible things

[spice pecan]

idk, i'm super on fub's side on this one tbh

at least from his last video

[finite quail]

There's two gangs here

Fubgooners, and normal people

[spice pecan]

i'm certainly not a fubgooner but i don't think he's always wrong

[finite quail]

I'm just bullshitti

[surreal musk]

loot is fine i got 2 fusings and an instilling orb from my last map

[finite quail]

I don't watch anything related to him anyways

Only poe creator I watch is empy

And rarely ziz

[spice pecan]

empy is the one i watch the most for sure

[tawdry olive]

3.28 will likely be a loot league, whether they address it at the foundation or introduce another loot crutch is uncertain

but loot has always kinda been "give and take" with them. They ration it like the national reserves lmao. With the community all mad like this they'll give you some, all is forgiven, and then the cycle begins anew

[spice pecan]

i think snap made a pretty good point, this is like the first league where we really haven't had a loot crutch and it show how bare the base game is

[finite quail]

That's how it should be

[surreal musk]

idk how there arent more anti group play people that shit is terrible for the game , even just from a map supply point of view like maven chisels and scarabs like pandemonium are completely unusable for most players cause group play gets to abuse them and get 6x the value

[finite quail]

It can't always be loot buffs or loot staying the same

There's gotta be loot highs and lows

[spice pecan]

oh brother

anti group ppl 🙄

[finite quail]

anti group play people when you make similar amount of div/h as groups:

[spice pecan]

solo players make way more than individual group players which is so funny to me

[finite quail]

it's more efficient that way

[surreal musk]

nothing to do with div/hr

[finite quail]

Sure you can juice the fuck out of 6 man maps but it dont matter as much as long as you can make similar money alone

[spice pecan]

would you prefer t0s not to be available on trade

[finite quail]

What's your big problem then

[pulsar dune]

There are enough endgame options that it's kinda fine that some items are just wholly unusable without a group

[spice pecan]

groups aren't even eating the amount of supplies you think they are

[pulsar dune]

Sure, if you don't have 5 friends you'll never play curation scarab

[spice pecan]

and there are so few groups, you can count the number of efficient 6man groups on one hand

[pulsar dune]

Or whatever the fancy one is every league.

[finite quail]

They would eat less supplies considering how slow their maps are in comparison to solo players, no?

[spice pecan]

yeah, those maps take forever

and you're chiseling/orbing one single map and using scarabs for one single map for SIX people

[pulsar dune]

I mean, there have definitely been map fragments priced around group play in the game before

[uneven gust]

You know much as i hate to say it, that's one thing d3 got right

You could play with your friends and not miss on loot

[surreal musk]

no solo strategies get to even use some supplies because the price is based on the value they will give to group play strats , like maven chisels and pandemonium scarabs.

[cobalt blade]

and splitting the loot between 8-9

[spice pecan]

so you're using 1/6th the supplies, at probably 10% the speed of a solo player

[finite quail]

[spice pecan]

but sure groups are the problem

[finite quail]

bro

[cobalt blade]

chisels are based on solo play and pandemonium just isnt good without the rarity you can get in group

[finite quail]

Some strats are simply group only

[cobalt blade]

like it just requires so much rarity to make worth running

[pulsar dune]

Rogue exile bottles, curation scarab from history come to mind

[finite quail]

And the prices set by groups arent really set by groups as they are not the majority of those strat runners, unless it's a group only strat

[cobalt blade]

(specifically chisels are based on solo play splitting the maps after chisel)

[cobalt blade]

exile bottles were done solo

curation too but only if you had a mirror or 2 to dump into getting it started initially

since you could have dry streaks

[pulsar dune]

Really, solo bottles

IG it was broken enough

[finite quail]

And if that was the problem anyways, simply run another strat that gets you similar div/h to afford the other strat

I really dont get the anti group play sentiment

[cobalt blade]

i mean they werent affected by the ritual quant down and you could self f arm them pretty easy :p

[heady cliff]

just allow /players 6

group play solved.

[cobalt blade]

god i wish

[spice pecan]

holy

[finite quail]

Group play deleted from the game basically

Shit take

[cobalt blade]

to be fair they would still benefit from the higher total rarity and ability to run rippier maps early on

(on w/e rarity culler)

but ye their early unique farming would be taken over by solo players much faster

[finite quail]

The reason why groups get loot benefits is from both the added difficulty, and because you're running one map instead of six maps at once

[tranquil sedge]

because people on reddit are idiots

they dont understand that adding 1 player does not double loot

adding 6 players does not 6x loot

[finite quail]

Letting solo players get the same benefits invalidates group play, its the same as if you just deleted it entirely

[cobalt blade]

they also dont understand a bunch of mechanics not scaling with group play at all

[tranquil sedge]

i mean you can already make more solo than any group player will

the only requirement is to be good at the game

[spice pecan]

yeah group players literally can't run any loot tile mechanic (all of the half decent mechanics at this point are loot tiles)

[cobalt blade]

yuuup

[tranquil sedge]

even when empyrian literally puts out his per-player profit/hr calculation every league

reddit cries about it

coz they're too fucking mentally challenged to understand the logic

you'll never convince people who think group play is op, that it is in fact just them having a skill issue

don't even waste the effort to try

[cobalt blade]

honestly one of the funniest things to me is single crafters making more than their whole group does

[surreal musk]

i imagine a large reason for that is because group play exists , so ggg is limited in adding juicing mechanics that they would deem too strong in group play

[cobalt blade]

in that same amount of time

or the people who do week 1 voids

[tranquil sedge]

even if you could juice it you'd still make less per player anyway
its not linear scaling

[spice pecan]

even when ground loot was good, solo players still made more money

[tranquil sedge]

the main potential impact would be the cost of entry materials

[cobalt blade]

^they printed more per map but had to split it between 8-9 people

and the loot generated was maybe 3-4x

[tranquil sedge]

people see group players dropping t0s and other tinks and stuff

and they think wow these guys are playing a broken game

and love to ignore that its loot being split at minimum 6 ways, realistically like 7-8 ways

[spice pecan]

and traders get a bigger split than mappers, it's not an even split either

so the 6 ppl you see in the map are making less per split than traders

[cobalt blade]

yup

https://fxtwitter.com/empyriangaming/status/1986656817519145033

Empyrian (@empyriangaming)

Final splits of group "week" for Keepers of the Flame league.
︀︀
︀︀Numbers:
︀︀3112 divines: 8 mirrors at 305 div each = 2440 div + 672 div.
︀︀
︀︀Even split this time around:
︀︀6 mappers and 2 main traders
︀︀1 mirror + 84 div per person
︀︀
︀︀Total time played: 72 hours
︀︀Real farming playtime after atlas setup and testing some worse strats: 45 hours
︀︀
︀︀389 divs per player over 45 hours comes out to be 8.6 div per hour. This includes all AFK and downtime (not offline time). This does not include the currency made on Mirror appreciation. We bought 7 of our mirrors at an avg of 203 div (and found 1) so we made 714 divs on the value of Mirrors increasing. Without that, a person in the party made 6.3 div per hour.
︀︀Like we said, poverty league :D
︀︀
︀︀Fun stuff:
︀︀- We got really lucky and found a Mirror on the ground. Last time we found a week 1 Mirror was in Metamorph league, almost 6 years ago (a…

FxTwitter · Nov 7, 2025, 4:47 AM

found their keepers split for example

[tranquil sedge]

yeah
every single league he proves the numbers lol

[cobalt blade]

8.6div an hour is not great

[tranquil sedge]

his per/hr div is less than the better solo players

he just gets more stream content and fun out of doing what he does

plus its more relaxing to team up

[cobalt blade]

yup

[surreal musk]

no1 is saying solo players cant keep up in div/hr

no1 said that

[tranquil sedge]

yea any solo player in t16s can make this casually

[cobalt blade]

for sure

[tranquil sedge]

wasn't you specifically or anything, just in general

people do say that

or well they ignore that you can

[finite quail]

so what's your point

[spice pecan]

solo players don't keep up, they far exceed

[finite quail]

if solo players can afford the resources to run maps because they get similar or better div/h

who's losing here?

[tranquil sedge]

also like another thing

its not like his group is 6 randoms

its 6 already good players in a group

meanwhile the average casual player tries to compare

yea no shit lol you aren't keeping up

[cobalt blade]

going the less toxic route

[tranquil sedge]

any one of his group could wipe a casual in solo player comparison too

but again, more things that the reddidiots ignore

[native abyss]

the crazy thing is i’m so good at the game no one can compete so many divs an hour

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ubbH2bwVY

new LE season trailer*

[spice pecan]

their discord was absolutely melting down this morning

when that was posted

[tranquil sedge]

tl;dr?

[spice pecan]

ppl arguing over paid dlc classes, krafton, ai-first, the usual LE drama

[tranquil sedge]

dont tell me they copied reddit and cried about corruption

oh

the usual yea that tracks

[spice pecan]

also "releasing 1.5 weeks after poe"

[tranquil sedge]

lole

as if they're competition to poe1

they gave up being that with their inconsistent release cadence

[worldly bridge]

wait

is LE devs doing ai now

[spice pecan]

no it's krafton stuff

[tranquil sedge]

krafton

[worldly bridge]

well

yeah

[spice pecan]

that's saying the ai-first shit

[worldly bridge]

the NEW devs

mkmmmmm

ok so

i guess im never playing LE

again

[spice pecan]

they're not necessarily the devs

EHG are still the developers

[cobalt blade]

doesnt mean they wont fire ehg's devs and force them to use ai as a replacement

[icy zinc]

[cobalt blade]

like that will happen at some point just a matter of when

[worldly bridge]

yeah well

im not gonna blame ehg

of course

also i thought ehg DID sell the game to krafton

but kept the company of EHG

[cobalt blade]

krafton acquired ehg afaik

[tranquil sedge]

no, you can if you want

they mismanaged their game and ran it out of profitability

[native abyss]

LE was okay imo but the end game was kinda lacking

[tranquil sedge]

then the founder cashed out to krafton

now ehg = krafton

they're one and the same now

[worldly bridge]

ok

[tranquil sedge]

coz krafton owns them

[worldly bridge]

you cant like soap box about selling something when its life changing money

i wanna see you turn down money that secures your and your family's future

[tranquil sedge]

no, of course not

i'd do the same in a heartbeat

[worldly bridge]

ok just making sure

i run into lots of people that like to get on their high horse and all "oh i wouldnt sell out"

yeah alright, its millions of dollars bud

i make 300 a week

[thick goblet]

i like le a lot, but man these season reveals literally kill all excitement

i just think about how it takes them over half a year to make half a mechanic and some more basic gear modification stuff

i can't be convinced this is like 8 months of work or whatever

[tranquil sedge]

dude these people make valheim devs look like they have fast turnarounds

its hilarious

[worldly bridge]

if youre taking about other aspects of the game than the accquisitino then i probably agree

i enjoyed 100 or so hours of the game

[cobalt blade]

Basically anyone who says this would definitely sell out

[worldly bridge]

but when i was playing during the weaver league i just kinda didnt feel like there was anything to do than reset the "atlas" over and over

[uneven gust]

Cosmo wanda

I wish for a good leaguestart

🪄 >🥀
Sorry sport, that's against da rules

[worldly bridge]

no clue how to progress no clue how do the cool unique LP stuff

the most aspirational content was the new uber that required giga gear and a hyper specific build that most people didnt play

also the game is like, almost TOO frictionless

[fickle glen]

Sup exiles

[worldly bridge]

its too smooth

[uneven gust]

Weaver i hardly knower

[cobalt blade]

so true

[fickle glen]

For this item, does it count reservation of each or all to 45%?

[cobalt blade]

each

[tranquil sedge]

i think that anyone who isn't already rich would also sell out if they were given a choice, like 999 times out of 1000

but at the same time it puts a huge damper on the way the LE fans talk about EHG devs and the game, like that they were driven to the point of acquisition proves their entire business model was unsustainably flawed and to an extent, they sold hot air lol

[fickle glen]

Hmm kind useless then

[thick goblet]

i really hope if 3.28 is prophecy league 2.0, they just copy le's system
it's probably the best part of the game

[cobalt blade]

Its use case is linking supports to heralds

You empower it give it woke cold whatever it still only reserves 45%

instead of 200%

[uneven gust]

Le went bankrupt because the servers were too expensive and nobody bought support packs

That tucan singlehandedly saved them from eating ramen for a week

[fickle glen]

What is woke lol

[blissful zodiac]

buff ground loot in poe1 Please

[spice pecan]

woke gems = awakened

[tranquil sedge]

in poe woke = awakened

[fickle glen]

Hahaha

[blissful zodiac]

poe2 has better ground loot ffs

[fickle glen]

Pls don’t call it woke lmao

[worldly bridge]

woke bug is horned scarab of awakening

[tranquil sedge]

awakened is many letters

woke is fewer letters

[cobalt blade]

i will absolutely call it woke its so much faster to type

[worldly bridge]

woke is way easier

[tranquil sedge]

why type many word when few word do trick

[uneven gust]

Why not say wankened?

[fickle glen]

Because woke is a movement

[spice pecan]

these are the same people that say wed instead of edwa

[cobalt blade]

annnd?

[spice pecan]

[green elm]

Hello. I'm about to start POE1, should I play standard or keepers?

[spice pecan]

keepers

[tranquil sedge]

its also the same reason we called 'increased elemental damage with attacks' as 'wed' when its no longer actually 'weapon elemental damage'

[tranquil sedge]

are you willing to wait 2 weeks to play the game?

[uneven gust]

What's your playstyle?

[tranquil sedge]

i strongly recommend you wait 2 weeks to play the game.

start the new season 3.28 on 6th march

[green elm]

maybe witch

[cobalt blade]

do note next league starts on march 6th and kepeers league ends on march 2nd (moves to standard)

so you might wanna consider waiting or just learning campaign

[tranquil sedge]

standard is not worth playing if you have the willingess to play league

[thick goblet]

keepers, learn the basics then restart with the launch of mirage in two weeks

[tranquil sedge]

i wouldn't even do it to learn campaign now

if they spend days doing campaign and then it ends a week later and they have to redo it

[cobalt blade]

idt its too bad to learn the initial bits of the game but fair

[green elm]

oh 🙁

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-appear-gif-21424177

[green elm]

maybe better to wait for the new league

[spice pecan]

i would wait, unless you don't mind messing around a bit until march 6th

[tranquil sedge]

standard is the 'permanent' league but its economy is beyond fucked from a new player perspective

the vast majority of people play in the temporary leagues like keepers (3.27) and now mirage (3.28) on 6th march

fresh economy, more players, new league mechanic/balance changes/etc

[uneven gust]

Skill playatyle is more important since nothing is class locked
The most beginer friendly builds
We got
Bow +tanky+dot(tox rain)
Fireballs with legs(srs)
Big unga bunga slams

[green elm]

if the league is over, will all my currency go back to standard?

[tranquil sedge]

correct

[worldly bridge]

do you mean you are interested in spells

[tranquil sedge]

thats why the economy is fucked

[worldly bridge]

most people go by the skills not the class

[tranquil sedge]

coz it has 10+ years of wealth moved into it over leagues lol

[spice pecan]

playstyle has nothing to do with which league you start in

[worldly bridge]

well skills first THEN class

[cobalt blade]

Its basically monopoly money economy

[green elm]

yes, maybe a cold elementalist build

[cobalt blade]

Pricing makes 0 sense for anything

[tranquil sedge]

you should probably move the questions over to #1┃new-player-in-campaign-help once it pivots to build stuff

but as for deciding when you play, i personally would wait till 3.28 starts then go nuts

[uneven gust]

You like cold spells?

Or coldhits?
Or just getting aloe to freeze?

[worldly bridge]

ive heard winter orb is funny

[spice pecan]

elementalist has been really good the last two leagues, i'm sure she'll be decent next league but who knows

[cobalt blade]

would not recommend that to a new player

its uh scaling early on is questionable

[uneven gust]

I reccomend cold dot golemancer i guess

Or glacial cascade

[spice pecan]

lmao

[green elm]

if I play keepers now, will my currency go to standard by March 6th?

[spice pecan]

yes

[green elm]

thanks

[cobalt blade]

currency and character yea

[spice pecan]

it will move over on the 2nd/3rd, and then there's a couple days until the new league starts on the 6th

[green elm]

any good elementalist build links?

[covert swan]

A short list of places to find builds for new players:

Maxroll.GG's leaguestarter buildguide section has high quality build guides

If you are more into video guides, a playlist by the youtuber Zizaran, he also has a bunch of other video guides for new players.

A collection of minion build guides created/ curated by GhazzyTV

You can also always find popular builds on the Builds section of Poe.ninja, but those aren't really guides, just snapshots of live player builds without any explanation for what makes them good or not good.

[tranquil sedge]

the maxroll ones have build showcase videos

[spice pecan]

can't really say right now to be honest, we don't have patch notes yet, but elementalist can basically play anything

[tranquil sedge]

see what looks fun

[green elm]

thanks... will think about it 🙂

[uneven gust]

But yeah, say you're a beginer player rather than new, new in poe is like 500-1k hrs

[spice pecan]

it doesn't matter lol

[tranquil sedge]

after that its just youtube '<league> <ascendency> leaguestarter' search and you only look at reputed creators

e.g. 3'.27 gladiator leaguestart build' search

[worldly bridge]

if you want something, in my opinion, really unique to poe you should check out Locahols kinetic fusillade elementalist videos

its not a spell its a "wand attack"

[uneven gust]

I'm like the sorting hat when it comes to which build people will like

[worldly bridge]

but its a really fun skill

[uneven gust]

No attacks! Attacks bad for new player, bad

[worldly bridge]

its not super simple but he explains things pretty well and you can always ask for help

attacks are fine what :<

people suggest slams all the time

[uneven gust]

Slams don't attack

[cobalt blade]

(do note if you do this right now you'll find all the non reputable content creators renaming 3.27 builds to 3.28 without any idea of patch notes^)

[spice pecan]

what

[worldly bridge]

slams are attacks

[cobalt blade]

as is common by now

[worldly bridge]

im confused

[uneven gust]

They don't check accuracy

[cobalt blade]

they do

[uneven gust]

Wut

[spice pecan]

?????

[cobalt blade]

people just take resolute technique

[worldly bridge]

im so confused what youre trying to convey lmao

[cobalt blade]

To ignore accuracy

[uneven gust]

o

[spice pecan]

bruh

[worldly bridge]

the build guides talk about accuracy

[uneven gust]

Cool!

[cobalt blade]

[worldly bridge]

and take acc nodes

for wands

😭

[uneven gust]

You expect people to read?

[worldly bridge]

if theyre going to a build guide i expect them to want items similar t othe build, and to click the same nodes

so basically yes

[spice pecan]

person asks what league to click, and you start rattling off build questions, so i guess that tracks

[worldly bridge]

also, if they are having issues they can share pob and someone will go "your acc is bad heres how to fix it"

[uneven gust]

They asked build qs lol

[proven tundra]

i am a new and beginner player, but after reading some discussion here i think i will start the game in 2 weeks' time

[worldly bridge]

the lurker

[uneven gust]

Oh i mean i goes lol

My b

So uh hows everyone doing

[spice pecan]

yeah, it's up to you

[cobalt blade]

meowing

[spice pecan]

march 6th is the date

[uneven gust]

I'm bored and stucjk at work my b

[native abyss]

doja cat is live

[uneven gust]

Dam so i got 2 weeks to max out my warlock?

[spice pecan]

isnt she the one that was like "bitch im a cow, moo moo moo"

[uneven gust]

💸

[native abyss]

yes

[uneven gust]

Speaking of cat I've been digging the mewgenics songs

[worldly bridge]

man i love pressing brand recall

its a fuckin nuke

[cobalt blade]

triggerbots automation brand recall is really funny

you just double your brand triggers without the damage loss

[spice pecan]

it's sad at the same time

because it costs eighty billion mana

[cobalt blade]

yeaaah but its also one of the strongest raw damage early setups

[worldly bridge]

why would that cost giga mana?

recall is ilke 12 mana

[cobalt blade]

it spends 20% of the brands cost x2 from triggerbots x maybe 5-7 brands

[worldly bridge]

oh right

20% for each brand then

[cobalt blade]

now you take cdr to make the automation trigger every 2.5-3sec(enhance ashes w/e) and it destroys your mana

[spice pecan]

dont need a lot of cdr when sabo has 50 base

just get 2 more somewhere for the next breakpoint

[pulsar dune]

For recall? You want as much CDR as you can get, tho most of it is from quality

[spice pecan]

the next breakpoint after 52 is like 90

or 91

[pulsar dune]

Brand Recall has a 4 second cooldown

The breakpoints should be much less spread out

[spice pecan]

oh sure yeah, i forgot about the brand recall cd

i wish arma brand of recall sabo was more than a meme tho

would be nice to play a brand not named pbod

[pulsar dune]

How much damage do you get from it these days?

[spice pecan]

i wouldnt guess much

[brazen vector]

the stars have aligned

[spice pecan]

supposedly it just doesn't scale worth shit

[spice pecan]

what skill? EK?

[brazen vector]

Poopthrower mines

[spice pecan]

poopthrower of shitflinging or poopthrower of discharge

[brazen vector]

poopthrower of thratus actually

[spice pecan]

[brazen vector]

I prefer the coverage it gives with the decreased viscosity

[worldly bridge]

actually i should do the act 7 town first

then go sleep

[split maple]

Do I bait myself into that pain

[spice pecan]

i thought emp jewels came from empowered labs

you can get them in uber?

[worldly bridge]

emporer jewel?

[livid quarry]

leage almost end

no pain

[spice pecan]

emperor's wit/might/mastery etc

[split maple]

Yea Uber or enriched treasure chests at end

[worldly bridge]

thats a p good jewel

[steel light]

are u gonna farm for gold keys too though

[split maple]

There is no gold door today

[worldly bridge]

:O\

its insane

[steel light]

what's the min rooms today?

[split maple]

Eh fuck it

[split maple]

7

[worldly bridge]

1300

how the hell do you run 1300 in a day

[tawdry olive]

There's a reason that like 90% of these on trade are shiny lmao

its torture

[tranquil sedge]

(you don't)

if you do one run and 1299 other people also do one run

that is 1300 runs

[dense rock]

oh come on. Imagine the amount of jewelers you would loot by clearing it 1300 times 😛

[tranquil sedge]

its not an exaggeration that the game is balanced around trade league, lol

[worldly bridge]

D face

[tranquil sedge]

also some ppl just like lab and they skew the data, ofc

like ur div/hr is probably decent all things considered

-# and if someone says it isn't i won't believe them who tf would do this for bad div/hr

[worldly bridge]

its probably like heist right

just 300% ms

[tranquil sedge]

yh

[dense rock]

lab on a random build is kinda ass
lab on a lab runner is fucking godtier bullshit

[tawdry olive]

> the one mf who goons to Izaro voice be like: 💢

[worldly bridge]

i should make a lab runner

[tranquil sedge]

mika took the wrong takeaway here i think
-# /s

[dense rock]

it ruins you. Every other build feels insanely slow after it 😄

[split maple]

Given that screenshot is tytyos I could believe him doing it in day

[icy zinc]

i heard the keepers are here still

what we keepin

[worldly bridge]

what does S mean agfain

is it serious or sarcastic

[split maple]

Tho yea you have what 10 good emperor lab days per league give or take

[dense rock]

no coming back from being able to leap slam at 2-5 rooms per minute speed

[icy zinc]

Super Sexy Style

SSS

[tranquil sedge]

/s is sarcasm

because sometimes it does not convey well through text

[icy zinc]

its from devil may cry

@crisp obsidian do you think we should guilloutine the alva exploiters

[crisp obsidian]

yes

every single one

[icy zinc]

im calling cops

[crisp obsidian]

but also ggg should guillotine their employers

for not enforcing their rules

[icy zinc]

good

[worldly bridge]

wait

[silent leaf]

bro

[worldly bridge]

how is evolving alva not intended

[tranquil sedge]

runescape (jagex) has had this problem for ages too

[silent leaf]

it doesnt even match the background

[worldly bridge]

it literally is?

you kill monstersa dn they come back

[tranquil sedge]

they're too pussy to ban gold buyers and just try to deal with gold sellers instead

it never works

[crisp obsidian]

double shrines are not intended

no shrine stacks twice

[worldly bridge]

oh what double?

[icy zinc]

cause first shrine bonuses with second shrine, definitely intended

[worldly bridge]

thats what the strat is?\

[crisp obsidian]

the exploit/bug??

[icy zinc]

and its not even reflected in the tooltip

[worldly bridge]

i didnt even know

[icy zinc]

now you know

[crisp obsidian]

🙄

[worldly bridge]

i thought it was just normal evo shrine

with beyond or smth

[split maple]

https://youtu.be/Esln_8gWg_k?si=hQRgfVWUYWFU4Gqg

[icy zinc]

viva la alva

phrecia abusers did get 6 hour 100 lvl using shrines and beyonds

that is true

way above 5way legions or abyss or harvest exp bonuses

[barren river]

i did abyss of snaking, so i have no right to comment

aka hoards

[opal ingot]

https://youtu.be/PqJoIAWYqak?si=xXHkzuYcZFEDQwdW

ur thoughts

[spice pecan]

snap is correct

[barren river]

mine?

[tranquil sedge]

i see kalandra, i upvote

[barren river]

i did not watch the vid

but i agree

[tranquil sedge]

a real poe player would have given an opinion with firm confidence even if it was utter bullshit

u dont have to watch it or even know what it's about

just have utter conviction in the response

[barren river]

am i a real poe player?

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/are-you-marie

[limber lance]

No leaks yesterday?

[barren river]

they announced chief being fucked

[tranquil sedge]

16th > 20th > third leak prob 24th if they're at this glacial pace

also
leak, lol

teasers*

[limber lance]

20th was no teaser

[split maple]

I am hoping for a week of QoL teasers

[tranquil sedge]

its also saturday and they dont even pay people to work the weekend during leaguestart let alone now

[wheat sinew]

The teasers are traveling back in time they surely they will appeD

[tranquil sedge]

we dont even have a week left

they really threw the potential for this teaser season in the bin dude

[barren river]

hinekora got changed to 1% explode damage, valako got changed to max fire res also grants fire damage% and tasalio got changed to 10% instead of 50%

[split maple]

Monday - thursday at least

[limber lance]

Yeah kinda curbs the hope

[tranquil sedge]

ur more optimistic than i am

[tranquil sedge]

it doesnt change my expectations (whatever they are) of the patch notes

but its a bummer for sure

[split maple]

"to enable juicing without destroying servers we are introducing spreadsheet mode"

[spice pecan]

i swear if vendoring scarabs is a legit competitive/good strat next league

i'm gonna fucking lose it

[tranquil sedge]

it always has been lol

always been good

[spice pecan]

not like this though imo

[barren river]

would chieftain become f tier?

[spice pecan]

its just like the fact that multiple large cc's put out videos on it because there was fuck all else to do

[tranquil sedge]

you gotta bait better

[tranquil sedge]

well thats just publicizing the info

and yes thats coz theres fuckall else to do

[spice pecan]

i mean sure but like

[tranquil sedge]

but it doesnt mean it wasnt good before

[spice pecan]

yeah i misspoke

[tranquil sedge]

like there's a reason tft bulk buyers exist

[spice pecan]

i meant better than most other shit

[split maple]

Wish granted, all scarbs commonly priced above 3c removed from game

[spice pecan]

that's fine

fuck scarabs, return ground loot and actually clearing maps

[heady cliff]

always has been

[barren river]

wish granted, sextants are back

[heady cliff]

vendoring stuff exists for all 3 to 1 consumables

[split maple]

I swear if harvest swaping res to fire on rf shields is again competitive strat

[heady cliff]

you never thought why every single scarab or catalyst or whatever has the same price floor?

[barren river]

mandatory

[prime hill]

damn snap + fubgun posting videos about loot in general in same day

blessed

[gritty epoch]

Snap video sounds biased tbh

[crisp obsidian]

snap W fubgun L

[prime hill]

tbh

I only watched fubgun's so far and hes right about ground loot

I ran like 300 8 mod jungle valleys with 6 mans to level in keepers

the loot was genuinely horrible

for 8 mods

few chaoses per map usually

[gritty epoch]

Snap over exaggerated a few things imo and also from his own perspective

[spice pecan]

i mean he presents a lot of evidence that he and other people have been saying since those leagues were live

[split maple]

If anything bugged Alva shows it's that you basically need to kill 2k juiced rares per map to get somewhat hoards comparable amount of tink per map from last league

Baseline is sad

[opal ingot]

thats sad

[prime hill]

baseline gets destroyed with every nerf they do

and I really dont think

they don't buff baseline loot after league is over

[opal ingot]

and there is no tink

[prime hill]

so things stack up

[tranquil sedge]

the best part is the people who'll dismiss them because they're 1% players complaining about it

as if it makes it any less true lmfao

[prime hill]

lmao yep

[tranquil sedge]

if the top 1% can't get loot, wtf are the bottom 99% going to get

[opal ingot]

whatever you guys, im just gonna keep farming harvest

[tranquil sedge]

redditors and youtube commentors lack logic to the highest degree

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/predator-arnold-2

[prime hill]

only strat that worked for me in keepers for ground loot is

[gritty epoch]

The assumption that the only way to get rich is from ground loot and also nerfing 6 man mf party = nerfing the entire player base

[prime hill]

pure ore + blue altar stack

in t16.5 and 17's

[opal ingot]

if they touch harvest im gonna go ballistic

[prime hill]

they fucking sucked in t16 8 mods aswell

[gritty epoch]

Also it was redditors who cried on mf and 6 man parties

[crisp obsidian]

huh

[pulsar dune]

6 man mf is crucial, I want a mageblood

[spice pecan]

even in the comments of snap's video, there's still ppl bitching about party play

it's so fucking funny

[gritty epoch]

Fubgun say it's true therefore it's true

[prime hill]

fubgun has a good point about economy when he was mocking ggg non stop in 0.4 in poe 2

[pulsar dune]

and I want every single T2- unique to be absurdly cheap.

[prime hill]

people should cry about rmt harder

lmao

[gritty epoch]

I mean I get mageblood every league using dog shit strats

[spice pecan]

sure, i did this league too

[crisp obsidian]

no one is saying you can't get rich

[spice pecan]

that doesn't make it fun

[opal ingot]

did elon's account get banned

that shit was blatant rmt

[tranquil sedge]

dude they're just brain damaged at this point

[opal ingot]

well

""account""

[tranquil sedge]

you can't save idiots from themselves

[crisp obsidian]

people are saying the game feels bad when you kill 1000's of monsters and you get 30 fusings

and that's all

[tranquil sedge]

who knows but i doubt it

[pulsar dune]

do we know how much of the mageblood supply is party MF

[spice pecan]

i did dogshit ritual, red altar n go, and attempted juiced legion to get my mageblood

[pulsar dune]

IG it's going to be more solo MF just by sheer magnitude

and valdos ofc

[spice pecan]

i should have just ran boxes

[tranquil sedge]

brb lunch

[prime hill]

keepers already had

insane amount of valdo runners

[crisp obsidian]

biggest supply is div cards probs

xdd

[brazen vector]

enjoy <3

[prime hill]

i havent seen this many valdo runners in ages

jesus christ

[loud geyser]

i saw so many valdo drop in keepers ngl

[pulsar dune]

and who drops valdo boxes, that's of course once again, party play.

[prime hill]

valdos genuinely drop a lot from strongboxes and currency t17's

even for solo players

[pulsar dune]

oh true boxes

[gritty epoch]

Sentinel league was a blast at least to me

[pulsar dune]

that's a horrifying vision ngl

[gritty epoch]

Snap made it sound like kalandra no2

[spice pecan]

i mean in a way it kind of is

[pulsar dune]

the primary source of progenesis is boxes

[spice pecan]

we're playing with the destroyed quant and rarity without a loot crutch

[prime hill]

^

[spice pecan]

like is it playable? of course

is it fun? that's subjective but honestly not really, at least not for me, and not for a lot of others

[prime hill]

its just not fun

[pulsar dune]

(is there still more foil progenesis than non-foil progenesis)

[prime hill]

I made my fiance start since "oh breach rework'n stuff, might be good"

since I got her to poe with poe 2

this was a horrible mistake

[pulsar dune]

I mean, they got good gear easily

[gritty epoch]

[prime hill]

worst league in some time for farming strats etc

its funny when we were having more fun in duo runs at 0.3

than we had in keepers

wish we both skipped keepers, her view of poe 1 is kind of biased now

[fossil mural]

https://youtu.be/PqJoIAWYqak

Ghosts werent useless madge

It was just so tedious no one wanted to do it

[prime hill]

not to mention poe 2 getting temple after she experiencing a poverty league

😭

[fossil mural]

Surely mirage will not suck

[gritty epoch]

Surely

[prime hill]

surely

[spice pecan]

ghosted legion wasn't even that good, it's just that it was one of the better strats available because everything else sucks

[tawdry olive]

hey if it sucks i guess i go catch up on the latest season of anime after the first week or smth

[pulsar dune]

yea, it's kinda rough that they have to get balance and endgame right this time around

[fossil mural]

I am talking about boat leg

[spice pecan]

ghosts were not played in boat leg

[fossil mural]

The "let ghosts touch mobs" thing

It was about 20divh

Yea no one played it

Cause you have to guide ghosts

[spice pecan]

ghostbusting was like a necropolis or tota thing

[fossil mural]

And not kill mobs before they are touched

It was good money

[prime hill]

mmmmm

[fossil mural]

It was just horrible to play

[prime hill]

meatsack farming

yummy farming

[pulsar dune]

IG they could just bring back merc endgame and just make selfcast less terrible

[fossil mural]

Like even normal mobs dropped a fuck ton of scarabs

[icy zinc]

ghosted legion also lagged like crazy

which is similar to anything else

[spice pecan]

it was unplayable on my pc

[icy zinc]

(4k rares alva rn)

[spice pecan]

same with blight

same with alva

[icy zinc]

(old king harbingers)

[fossil mural]

I did like 3 maps of that

Its not fun

[icy zinc]

how did it go

[fossil mural]

Like deadass

[gritty epoch]

Solution:
Make everyone play ruthless mode in Mirage so that ppl will appreciate normal mode drops

[icy zinc]

did you need to pay high electricity bill?

[crisp obsidian]

that would not make me appreciate current ground loot at all

[fossil mural]

I turned the sound off and played like

[crisp obsidian]

it would just make me hate the game

[fossil mural]

1280x720

[prime hill]

fun fact

[icy zinc]

gwound woot

[prime hill]

playing both poes on a 6800xt and 5800x setup

[icy zinc]

idk its the scarab economy

farm scarabs to use scarabs