1┃general

[blissful zodiac]

fml

[fossil mural]

got kicked out from an incursion

instantly

and lost all the buffs

lmao

[modern zinc]

are there still orbs that add shaper and elder influence to an item?

[loud geyser]

these teasers are fkn killing me

i thought we'd get more after phrecia ended

[ember goblet]

shaper/elder exalted orbs

[velvet flame]

how are my resistences guys?

[fossil mural]

only my first map actually worked

then 3 maps

it dont work

😩

wtf

[normal hedge]

u're killing shit after getting the shrines

[fossil mural]

well yea?

[split maple]

full clear map salty, then shrines, then alvas. dont kill stuff between picking shrines

[normal hedge]

thats a very important step: do not kill shit after getting shrines

just enter alva

after doing the 1st alva its safe to kill mobs if you need from what i tested

[cobalt blade]

i have to give up on trying to alva things my game is too laggy to leave the first alva

still god a sacred and some divs from fucking around tho

[frigid wedge]

i got a headhunter! still not gonna continue

[finite quail]

bro cant die but also cant kill anything

[frigid wedge]

o fuck

maybe

hmm

i gotta set an alarm now

i think i literally joined Lance's hideout, bought a 45d quiver, said some random shit and dipped

hes streaming

oml

[velvet flame]

molten strike with nimis, ephemeral edge

[frigid wedge]

1.3k ppl saw me call kboc boring

[tight plinth]

they watch lance

they got no right to call anyone boring

[split maple]

such a pretty sight

[tight plinth]

i may have read that wrong but im not gonna admit it

[finite quail]

they saw you spit FAX

[cobalt blade]

[frigid wedge]

tmr ill get a clip

unless u can clip during stream like an hour into past

[dense rock]

can almost hear it

[finite quail]

the sounds of unique drops getting cut off

[split maple]

total yield of that map

[cobalt blade]

u can view vods of streams still going

[frigid wedge]

how

[cobalt blade]

it shows as the most recent vod

[umbral crag]

What build are you using for the farm btw

[finite quail]

heavy strike

trust

[split maple]

gimped out heralder https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/marc_aureli-3722/character/IdkFeelsZeroDPS

[modern zinc]

I miss playing bama

[cobalt blade]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2702907148?t=5h47m18s found u

[frigid wedge]

xD

[peak heron]

no teasers

[hexed mountain]

i take it you got a archdemon crown swap and astrolabe for when you're not mapping with that setup no?

[modern zinc]

I don't wanna be rude but I find minion cluster jewels to be kinda dog

[finite quail]

They are kinda mid

Cluster jewels need a rebalance

[split maple]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepersssf/character/marc_aureli-3722/IdkFeelsZeroDPS?i=2&search=name%3Didk&timemachine=week-15

thats the usual setup

swap the flasks ig, i only got bottled faith recently

[hexed mountain]

yeah thought so when i saw the double influenced ring type and the 4L in helm

[ember goblet]

i think you gyatta be signed in

[dark sequoia]

What's a good way to scale both life and es that isnt foulborn ghostwrithe

[split maple]

corrupted soul?

[dark sequoia]

like if I want to do an EB/MoM Inquis

[barren river]

LF 2006 EMO MONSTER CHUGGING GF TO MAP WITH

[brazen vector]

This isn't a dating server

[tight plinth]

hey alesia

[brazen vector]

Hello caasi

[tight plinth]

what do you level with coc

[zinc stump]

It isnt?

[brazen vector]

Cast in crit? I dont play that

[tight plinth]

chains

[normal hedge]

choco*

[tight plinth]

i forgot about coc

[brazen vector]

Oh, choco, I played srs with the weird green staff that summons phantasms with giga flat damage when I leveled my templar

On a witch you can just level kinetic blast into fusillade PP

[tight plinth]

yeah i guess you have to go non minion first

[brazen vector]

You dont have to

But ChoCo is high level requirement so you wont play that for a while (3 hours for acts)

[cobalt blade]

could always start srs fine early on

if you dont wanna do non minions into minions

[bold scarab]

absolution

owo

[brazen vector]

As i said, srs is free leveling too

Absolution is boring unless you have vaal lying around

[umbral crag]

I guess you have to take the hit and use the gull and the ammy for the strat? Tried without it and it really doesnt sustain for 4 incursions

[tight plinth]

[bold scarab]

getting the vaal is pretty easy tho

[tight plinth]

thanks

[bold scarab]

honestly most vaals arent hard

[split maple]

its pretty much if you take one it makes sense to take the other

since like ammy itself isnt as good as gull

[bold scarab]

i never see vaal glacial hammer drop naturally but i do see alot of others

[brazen vector]

League start scenario it isn't imo unless you waste time in vaal side areas

[split maple]

and with gull you anyways cannot fit in astrolabe prolly

[bold scarab]

waste time in vaal side areas then

[umbral crag]

Welp haha alright I'll try it again with those changes

But man my pc cant handle this shit HAHA

[bold scarab]

you should hit every vaal side area you see

anyway

[cobalt blade]

tbf you can probably grab absolution specifically for your first chaos or 2 dropped in acts

[normal hedge]

you shoul skip every vaal area you see

anyways

[brazen vector]

I dont play ruthless, its fine the way I do it

[bold scarab]

could also buy from npc and vaal orb it

its 1/4

not that rare

[cobalt blade]

yea though vaal orbs have decent value for early completion

[bold scarab]

hopefully you got a few natural drops already

then it would only cost the gem cost

but ye vaaling your own is alot cheaper 9 times out of 10 than buying one

unless you want the vaal version of a trans gem

or a lvl 21 gem

[bold scarab]

i remember one time on ruthless getting smite of divine judgment and managing to vaal it on a second char and it was peak

[bold scarab]

free vaal in act 2 btw

[cobalt blade]

will say its usually 2-3 vaals to a c early early league

like when the first people are reaching maps and then its more efficient to sell and buy

[bold scarab]

lol

[unborn drum]

Being able to zoom out twice as far and move while casting would make poe1 a top tier game with its current content.
Unfortunately they have actual reasons why they wont do that and keep the game how it is. It makes me immensely sad that there is not intention to dev the improvement in those key areas.
Imagine a UI menu for controlling the camera settings so we could play in top down or different angles and rotation, allowing new maps to be more diverse. Casting while moving would also prevent a lot of the clunky alpha feel that a lot of games have for doing actions.
I just felt like saying it, seemed like an interesting topic for general chat.

[bold scarab]

nah when you get to maps every gem is like 8-20c for some reason

lel

[cobalt blade]

idk ive seen the dirt cheap vaal ones for 1-2 c

[bold scarab]

lol gg

[cobalt blade]

trans ones sure tho

[bold scarab]

trans are oof

honestly

[cobalt blade]

Yee

[bold scarab]

i just spam 3rd lab with like 20 colored gems

LOL

and a few of that specific gem

for when the direct trade happens

[cobalt blade]

Same except blue gems

[bold scarab]

well

last time for me

it was green

cuz lancing steel of spraying

[cobalt blade]

Blue fuck trying to farm for those if they have more than 1 hit on the gem

[runic raptor]

Whats the corpse level to hp ratio is?

[bold scarab]

lol

[cobalt blade]

https://poedb.tw/us/Bone_Archer

Match monster level to level on unearth

[fossil mural]

yea okay

this is

not okay

[dark sequoia]

Is vaal flameblast ignite still a thing

[sleek barn]

uhhh

would probably be very clunky

but I don't see why not

probably just chaos bloodline can sustain souls to some degree

[jagged remnant]

Old image but any chance anyone can carry me through these two achievements on Keepers?

Opressive and Inconceivable?

[normal hedge]

not a carry discord

[jagged remnant]

what kind of discord is this

[normal hedge]

you can buy it on tft

[jagged remnant]

well i just looked at the keepers channel and it says to go to the help channel which i will do, says nothing about me having to pay for it

[finite quail]

a discord where people talk

[sleek barn]

it's a service that is usually paid for

[finite quail]

uh no

[sleek barn]

if someone is willing to help you for free go for it

[finite quail]

help channel is not a "we help you ingame with your things"

type of channel

its a place where questions are asked and answers are given

services are not offered here

[jagged remnant]

yes my quesiton will be will you help me

thanks though

[finite quail]

I'm good, thanks

[normal hedge]

and the answer gonna be that one

[sleek barn]

your request will be met with the same response

[finite quail]

But if you want someone to do it for you, you can go to TFT or path of exchange or similar servers and pay someone for a boss carry

[thick goblet]

surely first time anyone's tried that one

[sleek barn]

I know because I would be answering

[jagged remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-evil-stare-iasip-mad-angry-gif-10014582

na im too goated to be met with such disrespect. im a 10/10

[sleek barn]

real

[cobalt blade]

try global/trade 820

[finite quail]

Uhhuh

Anyways

[cobalt blade]

prolly your best bet outside of tft

[finite quail]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hello-greetings-frog-haiiii-hi-appear

[sleek barn]

trade discord exists too

obviously less active than TFT but whatever

[fossil mural]

least clueless poe player

[jagged remnant]

Lives with his mom in the basement and cant detect sarcasm.

[ember goblet]

do you use reddit

[finite quail]

holy shit

[jagged remnant]

not much

[finite quail]

a "you live in your moms basement" insult

In the big 2026

Are you in your 50s

Old man

[jagged remnant]

Good one.

[finite quail]

Do you need a hip replacement too

[jagged remnant]

bro literally draws furries lmao you def take some pills for anxiety 100%

[finite quail]

LOOK AT THIS DUDE

[silent leaf]

zamn

[ember goblet]

i have a sneaking suspicion this guy will have a nice conversation with a moderator at some point in the near future

[silent leaf]

woke up to an argument

[ember goblet]

good bait though

4/10

[finite quail]

Disagreed

Bad ragebait

Made me laugh instead

https://tenor.com/view/sds-gif-26103598

[jagged remnant]

Dead ass though was i right? you take pills? Be real with us.

[finite quail]

And he's still on it

[ember goblet]

aha you see i baited you by calling it good ragebait

[finite quail]

[jagged remnant]

lol yeah he wont answer because he does lmao

he'll think about this for the next few hours while im off to find me a whale, thanks and good night.

[finite quail]

Let him stew for a bit till he crashes out

LMAO

Poor guy

[finite quail]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-who-are-you-is-this-CrvblOjGhn9Kg6Jvsu

[finite quail]

tim

[runic raptor]

New meta ???

[normal hedge]

nice new meta now turn off screen shake

[runic raptor]

Wdym?

There i turned it off

[normal hedge]

screen shake on = bad
screen shake off = good

[past mantle]

^ redditor.

[tight plinth]

screen shake is goated frfr

no cap

[finite quail]

how is this new meta exactly

both of these skills have been in the game for like

what

more than a decade now probably?

[runic raptor]

Yeah but unearth is barely used

[finite quail]

Well... yeah, because its bad

Why shoot 3 corpses out with one cast

When you can shoot 10 with one cast

with desecrate

[runic raptor]

More projectiles

[finite quail]

you're shooting 3

meanwhile, desecrate with spell cascade instantly gives you ten every cast

unearth is only used as an addition to corpse builds

Desecrate is almost always better

[tight plinth]

are you manually casting dd?

nvm im tripping

for some reason i though unearth was a wand attack

[warm musk]

So new teasers starts on monday?

[sleek barn]

new reaction pic dropped

[bold scarab]

also requires a bow

[finite quail]

did you even look at the video

where did you even get that info from

that unearth needs a bow

[onyx adder]

the one big advantage of unearth is that if u have access to a lot of gem levels its very strong

[finite quail]

level 25 unearth and level 20 desecrate have the same corpse level

So you'd need a lot of level investment to have it be worth it

[onyx adder]

i did say a lot

[sleek barn]

unearth looks cooler

[onyx adder]

does it even

[finite quail]

Eh

[onyx adder]

unearth is little black blobs on screen

[sleek barn]

do you prefer green patches of ground

[finite quail]

Not to me

[onyx adder]

theyre both ass

[sleek barn]

I like black blob

[finite quail]

Yes

[sleek barn]

thanks I was trying to do this actually

[opaque sphinx]

bad blob

[onyx adder]

i might play selfcast vd next league if nothing else looks interesting

[sleek barn]

VD of confinement surely

[onyx adder]

i didnt get a chance to play with buffed corpse pact yet

[sleek barn]

for trolling

[finite quail]

He

[opaque sphinx]

vd looked cool but isnt it kinda bad cuz of a limit?

to amt of balls or smth

[sleek barn]

60 limit isn't that bad

[finite quail]

Ehhhhh

[hybrid harness]

getting a 3d printer solely for squidward orb

[onyx adder]

i would have played confinement in previous leagues, regular vd is better right now and also confinement is really terrible with mistress of sacrifice

[sleek barn]

squorb perhaps

[onyx adder]

the limit is 60 balls at once

[cobalt blade]

p sure the main problem with vd is the time it takes them to actually spawn

[onyx adder]

its irrelevant unless ur trying to preload a boss with mines

[finite quail]

Orbe Squidwardo

[opaque sphinx]

ive never actually played it myself but every time i thought about it, i heard the cap made it not great

[sleek barn]

I can take 80 balls at once

[finite quail]

Not really

They spawn and start moving in less than a second

[opaque sphinx]

i see

[finite quail]

And they have a total of 5s of duration

[onyx adder]

the main problem is that vd base cast speed is super asscrack

[finite quail]

Cant remember if that duration is modifieable tho

[opaque sphinx]

yeh but u can CoC n shit

[sleek barn]

you don't lose too much damage due to cap

[cobalt blade]

yep which you cant scale

p sure the durations not scaleable

[onyx adder]

so u start every map as captain clunky until u get some corpse pact stacks

[cobalt blade]

its just fixed 5

[sleek barn]

tbf idk I never play corpse skills

they're interesting until they're not

[finite quail]

I should make a corpse build next league

Maybe revisit spellslinger vd dd or something

As shit as that might be now

[sleek barn]

cremation of exhuming should be good for corpse pact WTD

[finite quail]

Perchance

[sleek barn]

I lie

you get nothing from it

limit 1 anyways

[onyx adder]

if ur playing vd u will cap corpse pact without any effort

and cremation of anything doesnt scale with cast speed

so na im good

[sleek barn]

yeah stupid

[onyx adder]

vd is really tight on links anyway

[tame cave]

What's the go to if I wanna play attack-based corpse pact?

[onyx adder]

i dont know ive never tried

there arent any attacks that consume corpses

[tame cave]

Yeah but you could spellslinger or asenath helm

[onyx adder]

if ggg ever releases one then use that i guess

[gritty garnet]

it'll be a 2 button build that's even less fun on melee

or maloney's quiver if you wanted

[tame cave]

Bummer, I do like melee. Anyone tried with SS or Asenath helm?

[cobalt blade]

necros this league were doing spellsling cascade desecrate vd

for kboc

[sleek barn]

I hate the limit

oh say bye to my signal I'm in a tunnel now

[tame cave]

Oh, kboc. Cool. Thanks

[onyx adder]

i mean yes u can trigger corpse consumption but its a lot of effort and ur tree will be awful

[onyx adder]

oh sure i read it as melee corpse pact

obviously necro wander is an actual build

[cobalt blade]

ye i wasnt sure if they meant melee bow or wand so i used wander as the actual resonable one

melee or bow would suck

[tame cave]

Ah. Heh, yeah... would love melee but happy with any attack

Ok ty I'll look into this

[cobalt blade]

i guess you could do asenaths mark for bows tho idt its trigger speed would be fast enough

[modern zinc]

u know what this game needs?

a perfect build

[finite quail]

Nah

It doesnt

[cobalt blade]

standard armour stacker

[modern zinc]

smth that's immortal, very fast and clears the whole screen

[finite quail]

Well thats not aperfect build

Thats a dime a dozen on standard

[modern zinc]

fym

[cobalt blade]

oh thats like the average high end build

[modern zinc]

wth

no I mean like

afk on pinnacle ubers immortal

[cobalt blade]

yep

you can reach that in standard

[onyx adder]

yea thats like 50% of standard endgame builds

[cobalt blade]

and in league but with more investment

[onyx adder]

and the other 50% are mappers

[modern zinc]

where the hell are you guys getting these builds from

[finite quail]

Yes?

[cobalt blade]

look at ninja find something that looks effiecient scale it to the moon

[finite quail]

There's more than a few builds out there that can do that

You just need a lot of currency

Many, many mirrors

And you can do it

[cobalt blade]

glad ephemeral edge is i think the current best one

they afk ghosted multi proj deli whatever feared with an item unequipped for 90% less maps

for in league

[onyx adder]

today another player learns that theres levels to this game lulw

[modern zinc]

this makes no sense

[cobalt blade]

[modern zinc]

I've been spending days browsing RF builds on poe ninja

this league, past league, hc and ssf leagues

nothing is that mind blowing

[cobalt blade]

it basically all boils down to this stat line right here

and a big es pool

[finite quail]

because they dont do it on rf

[rough tulip]

isnt the league version hard carried by grafts bypassing the dmg reduction

[finite quail]

[modern zinc]

dude even I have a shield like that

[cobalt blade]

they can spend an hour in the maps without it

[modern zinc]

I

[finite quail]

wdym "a shield like that"

[cobalt blade]

when i say big es pool i mean https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Barburas-1316/BarburasKeepers

[finite quail]

You got a build with 20k or more energy shield?

[cobalt blade]

big es pool

[modern zinc]

recover es on block

it's just a shaper mod

it's not even hard to get

[cobalt blade]

also lucky block because glad

glad is just fucking immortal built right

[finite quail]

Well, think man

The shield gives you the recovery

[modern zinc]

I don't know if I trust glad that much

you gotta block first to make it lucky

[finite quail]

Now you need is multiple dozens of thousands of energy shield

[cobalt blade]

if you have enough max hit you can live maven brain blasts

you can tank anything to make your block lucky

these glads can tank multiple brain blasts

[modern zinc]

so I just statstack and reserve life with Ivory Tower for insane ES?

[cobalt blade]

and i am dead serious on that

[modern zinc]

damn

I mean I guess I could leaguestart glad bleed earthquake

It's almost like RF, I just need to press the button to make the screen shake

[finite quail]

Where'd you get ivory tower from?

The build naca linked doesnt use that

[cobalt blade]

ivory tower is 1 route glad does not do that because ci is strong

[proper thistle]

So it's been a while since I played PoE and never got past the noob bot stage

I keep dying in T2 maps, pretty much instant deaths. What can I do to help?

[modern zinc]

saw scion statstackers doing it

I said ivory because you mentioned ES

[finite quail]

you're a melee strike build

you need more life

[modern zinc]

glads don't do ES yeah

[proper thistle]

Yeah Boneshatter

[cobalt blade]

scions also reach the point they tank p much everything in the game they just fall over to possessed valdos

[finite quail]

share your pob

[rough tulip]

2,7k life is something you would have on act 7

[cobalt blade]

one of the ghost mods removes flasks coruscating gone u die

[proper thistle]

I forget how to get more life

[rough tulip]

open passive tree, search life, click every node

[proper thistle]

[modern zinc]

I want to play with either this mod or blood barrier next league

+1 ring is very strong

[rough tulip]

but this sounds like skip life wheels + terrible gear combo

[cobalt blade]

you cant do that on low life

[modern zinc]

and I don't like pressing buttons anyway

[rough tulip]

you should be easily 4-5k hp with 0 investment

[modern zinc]

so unless I get a mageblood, I don't mind not using flasks

[finite quail]

all of your pieces of gear need to have life on them

except your weapon ofcourse

Then you need life on tree

And if you run rare jewels, you need life on those

[modern zinc]

in hardcore I heard rule of thumb is 300hp per act

[cobalt blade]

if you wanna do ivory you need this flask to live

[modern zinc]

fuq

[proper thistle]

How much life do you think would be good to aim for

[finite quail]

Maps that fuck your flasks cannot be ran on ivory tower yeah

[cobalt blade]

unless scav is added has shavs chest as a noed and you can steal it with forbidden jewels

[finite quail]

on boneshatter? 4k at the minimum

[modern zinc]

ok plan b

[cobalt blade]

and ascendant still lives

[rough tulip]

for melee? 4k minimum

[modern zinc]

mana stacking guardian for insane ES

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats a thing

[modern zinc]

ATLAS PROGRESSION Guide: Tier 1 Maps to 4 Voidstones [Path of Exile 3.27]

[finite quail]

?

[brittle blaze]

Sup

[umbral crag]

@split maple how often do you encounter the bug where the evolving shrine doesnt work?

[cobalt blade]

dont kill mobs in the map after picking up the shrines

only in the alva

[umbral crag]

Legit? Thats so stupid LMAO

[cobalt blade]

dead serious

[onyx adder]

300hp per act is an ok benchmark especially if u dont play much hc

[cobalt blade]

its fucking weird

[brittle blaze]

Been farming for decent ranger equip

[finite quail]

sup

[tight plinth]

gl with the farming

make use of your league mechanic tree, theyre great for gear til best in slot gear

[somber sundial]

Cleave of Rampage
Requires an axe
+0.1m per 15 Rampage
1% Increased Area Damage per 10 Rampage
Rampage

[modern zinc]

rampage

[somber sundial]

Cleave of Ice Nova of Frost Bolts of the Spectrum
Crashes the economy if it’s equipped

[modern zinc]

makes sense

[somber sundial]

Genuinely when they gonna make a Flicker Strike of Endurance

So normal flicker is attack speed per frenzy, Flicker Strike of Power is crit chance per power, what would Flicker Strike of Endurance have per Endurance

[sleek barn]

uhhh

additional strike targets

[opaque sphinx]

fire dmg per endu charge

[modern zinc]

0.2% life regen per end charge

[somber sundial]

10% Increased Global defences per endurance charge

[somber sundial]

This sounds interesting

[somber sundial]

How would that function tho

2 places at one

[sleek barn]

like ancestral call

it already exists

[somber sundial]

Oh

That’d be cool actually

[surreal musk]

drop heralds for flesh and stone + blood and sand, get arctic armour if u can fit it

vitality isnt worth reserving mana for unless its a low level and ur not able to fit another 25% reservation with it off

determ sucks unless u actually have good armour gear

10k armour is some good mitigation for white maps tho so nm

idk if u have leech but its ur best recovery u can get soo get that if u dont have it

[hexed mountain]

paying 2 ascendancy points and STILL getting a downside is hilarious

i tried to make it work but its still bad , the downside makes it barely a boost

[tame cave]

I had a good time with an extra ring slot while strength stacking this league.

[final owl]

fubs groundloot vid is a bit oof. like you know it's bad but seeing it demonstrated..

[modern zinc]

do people still play blade vortex?

[final owl]

0.7% in keepers

[modern zinc]

well that's more than shield throw at least

[spice pecan]

bv is played by bv enjoyers

[modern zinc]

I don't think i'm a bv enjoyer

lets keep looking at the list

2.9m radius. i don't even know how ppl clear with this skill

[final owl]

top BV dps is 78m . but they are using 1p voices / mb etc

[modern zinc]

explosions really changed this game upside down huh

[sleek barn]

explosions mean you can turn a more or less single target skill into a clear skill as well

sorta

same with ignite proliferation

[opaque sphinx]

BV good

u clear by scaling mad amounts of AoE and using pops

[finite quail]

but

you can do that with any skill

that has aoe

why does it have to be bv

[spice pecan]

bv hits really fast

[livid quarry]

if fub wanted the devs to listen to his suggestions why make a vid less than a month before new leag

[final owl]

probably because he didn't imagine he got to dictate what GGG do regardless

and if they do pivot from here it was unlikely to be in a league they've already been developing for a while

[silent leaf]

cause he thinks coding is easy

like just replace a number or smth

from <100> to <300>

[final owl]

I doubt that's true. The timing of his video has nothing to do with it's content. It's not complicated.

[livid quarry]

[silent leaf]

maybe coincidence, maybe not

no way to tell but yea if 1 month its a bit rough on the 3 interns poe1 runs in

[cobalt blade]

its literally one of the strongest bloodlines used right

[final owl]

if he had titled the video "things GGG must fix before next league or else" you might have a leg to stand on there

[graceful horizon]

hey guys, is there anyone down to help in vc fixing my build a bit? I'm level 80 and i'm trying to make a tanky ranged templar with inquisitor ascension, magma fireball and both armor and energy shield hybrid

[final owl]

do the foulborn ghostwrithe + rathpith eblade thing imo

[graceful horizon]

wait what? are you talking about grafts?

[final owl]

surely am not

[silent leaf]

also #1┃build-planning probably since all of us here play a very specific build mostly

kek

[final owl]

it's just an easy combo for an inquis lifestacker

[graceful horizon]

ok i'm gonna try to understand your guys language 😂

[final owl]

but I must preface this with a disclaimer - I barely know what I am doing and following any advice I give is inadvisable probably.

[graceful horizon]

i don't speak yet Poexilism

[final owl]

so foulborn uniques are a thing yeah

[silent leaf]

the casuals here no one plays templar right besides ESM

and ESM runs brand

[final owl]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Joelphin-0652/Duckageddon?i=0&search=name%3DDucka

I got bored of them before I did anything proper with it

[cobalt blade]

the real way to play templar is to make spark gloves and play a sparker

[final owl]

however, example of basic gear(s) there and the tankyness is decent considering the investment level

[graceful horizon]

i'm not trying to play as a cusual anyway, but i just berely finished act 10 so i'm like 50 hours in the game so i'm way behind with knowledge lmao

[silent leaf]

dont you need +2 lightning gems amulet

[final owl]

the dps looks miserable because i cbf configuring anything but also because it is, don't do the firestorm of pelting version.

[thick goblet]

blazar why do you have the new member thing

[cobalt blade]

naaah

[silent leaf]

i left for 2-3 weeks

[cobalt blade]

+8 gems amulet smh

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-staring-cat-cat-mr-fresh-fresh-gif-4714710619997780774

[surreal musk]

slower projecties firstorm wokege

[final owl]

it ramps single target damage pretty decently. shrug. firestorm is an awks skill though. and i cbf getting the damage to proper bossing levels

[surreal musk]

firestorm doesnt have a projectile tag

[final owl]

haha. true.

I probably forgot when switching from whatever I leveled with. oh well

I'll not pretend it represents anything more than an entirely half assed attempt at a build i got bored of before it got anywhere proper

[finite quail]

why are you using slower projectiles on a non projectile skill

[final owl]

explanation (as far as it goes) above

[finite quail]

explanation:

poe players cant read

[final owl]

I am easily distracted and just forgot to take a proper look at gems when I did the swap to firestorm

that's my running theory anyway

[silent leaf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hello-greetings-frog-haiiii-hi-appear

[final owl]

For what it is worth, I am not playing that character at all.

[umbral crag]

But whai

[silent leaf]

removing distractions

[umbral crag]

Fair enough

[final owl]

man. alva evo is fun when it works. a unicorn vomit slideshow

[gloomy talon]

that can apply to other games as well

ive been playing town of salem and i cant read

[tranquil sedge]

we dont think you're a distraction

[silent leaf]

i mean i fucking come here daily

[tranquil sedge]

-# why ruin my joke

[silent leaf]

i had to

tis who i am

[gloomy talon]

the moment when i accidentally outed myself as evil but no one read what i said in town of salem so you dont have to feel bad that you cant read

[cobalt blade]

is reading edible

[tranquil umbra]

note to self
do not ever try to level with ed contagion

[final owl]

did i just delort my gull somehow. wat

[finite quail]

levels with ed contagion

[onyx adder]

ONCE UPON A TIME

[finite quail]

I mean whats the issue with levelling with those skills?

The clear's there, no?

[tranquil umbra]

no.

[tight plinth]

Are you in duelist part of the tree or something?

[tranquil umbra]

no bro

it just feels awful to use

[onyx adder]

If u put contagion in ur links before u have access to aoe gems ur going to feel really bad

Wait till these guys check out the base radius on contagion gem off the wiki

[tranquil umbra]

I swapped out ED with Blight (no Contagion) and I felt I like I stepped out of a wheelchair

[hard cliff]

@onyx adder

you silly goober

[onyx adder]

Huh

[marsh rune]

I've been temped to play this for a few leagues, how hard is it to get off the group/league start it?

I imagine that fourlborn mod is pricey till like day 3/4

[charred condor]

Guys I need a 6-link for build

[onyx adder]

Huh

[spare ore]

agreed

[charred condor]

Just got tabula rasa

[onyx adder]

Let me introduce u to your current lord and saviour

[tranquil sedge]

how far in the game are you.

[final owl]

idk about leaguestart my guy, i rolled this guy after already getting kinda bored in keepers. the chest is pretty cheap FWIW and i don't think it's particularly rare either

[charred condor]

Wondering if should sacrifice chaos resist for 6-link

[charred condor]

White maps

[tranquil sedge]

how far in the game are you

okay

[finite quail]

What are those creatures

[onyx adder]

Tree time

[tranquil sedge]

your question should go in #1┃after-acts-help

[charred condor]

Go from genesis tree

[tranquil sedge]

and tabula rasa is a noob trap

[onyx adder]

Agree

But also

Genesis tree

[tranquil sedge]

you dont need a six link for white maps, if tabula is your only option

[marsh rune]

No worries, we'll see when patch notes drop

thank you regardless

[tranquil sedge]

and chaos resist isnt a priority for white maps either

post a link to your build in #1┃after-acts-help and ask for build advice there

[hard cliff]

post it here

[cobalt blade]

4l>tabula

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Cremation

why is this bad?

[cobalt blade]

its not

[opaque wing]

Its not, some Cast When Stunned setups use it.

[hard cliff]

you can't manually cast it though?

give em the bone zone

[cobalt blade]

you can other stuff just scales better but it can do most content

[onyx adder]

Do u never level witch or something

[hexed mountain]

Arma cremation is has been

[cobalt blade]

yeah its one of the best act builds

[hard cliff]

How's that work

you just cycle them?

[hexed mountain]

KF clears it by a mile

[cobalt blade]

it falls off a bit in yellow because gem levels but it picks back up once you have unearth scaled a bit

[hard cliff]

what do you play this on

[cobalt blade]

probably ele

[hexed mountain]

Arma trash mobs and cremation bosses

[cobalt blade]

or inquis

[onyx adder]

KF is getting wrecked this league so i wouldnt plan around it tbh

U will click crema and u will like it

[hexed mountain]

Idk would need a heavy nerf to not be toptier leveling

[onyx adder]

Doesnt need a big nerf for arma crema to be clearly better

[hexed mountain]

Got heavy overkill damage rn

[onyx adder]

And it will get one dw

[cobalt blade]

mechanic change so you can no longer reduced duration of hovering proj

[hexed mountain]

Not certain wasnt in the top played

Was somewhat popular but not high enough in popularity to be certain there is a nerf

[onyx adder]

GGG nerfs for power as well lul

Theyre not sorting by ninja

We literally just had this discussion around uh

[hexed mountain]

I mean... Some OP spells go through. Pbod is chilling

[onyx adder]

Storm brand of indecision

[spice pecan]

storm brand

[onyx adder]

Which got no play in its league and got wrecked anyway because it was too good

So yea dw KF is getting clobbered

[hexed mountain]

It had some play i remember a few streamers using it

[spice pecan]

lance was playing indecision

as one of his builds

back in that league

[onyx adder]

Lul

More or less than kf

And dont lie

[hexed mountain]

Was just outshined by pbod which was basically prime thanos

[spice pecan]

way less lmao, lance is the only one i saw playing it

[onyx adder]

Yea i know

[hard cliff]

why not necromancer?

[hexed mountain]

I still remember like week 2

Pbod doing absurd damage

And GGG went like "huh it was bugged. So here it deals double damage now"

[onyx adder]

Why not necromancer what

[hard cliff]

pbod and Elementalist ruining class diversity

[hard cliff]

I guess you're right

[hexed mountain]

I dont remember if crema scales with cast speed

Havent played it in a very long time

[cobalt blade]

and people had still been taking runebinder without noticing it did nothing

[hard cliff]

I got an idea for this league

[spice pecan]

deckbuilder league

[hexed mountain]

It did something, got you to max ramp twice as fast

[hard cliff]

Templar melee league start (no CoC)

[hexed mountain]

It was worth picking for one point

[spice pecan]

i kind of want to make glacial hammer work

but you need so much fucking attack speed

[hard cliff]

me too but the auto crit version

[cobalt blade]

faaair i guess

[hexed mountain]

Just play warden

[spice pecan]

ew

[onyx adder]

It does not

[hexed mountain]

Attack speed tincture LOGIN

[onyx adder]

Thats one reason why u dont play it at endgame

[hexed mountain]

Yeah though so it just makes you dpawn the volcanoes faster but doesnt help dps

[spice pecan]

until you get crit anyway pog champion

[cobalt blade]

iirc you use quality to scale the frequency

[hexed mountain]

Lowkey trans glacial hammer looks like a funny pseudo msoz

With marylene

[spice pecan]

though multistrike would give you one guaranteed crit on every actual swing

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/angry-cute-angry

[hard cliff]

too high for this gif sir

[hexed mountain]

Isnt multistrike making you crit every 3 multistrike

[finite quail]

not the ai slop gif...

[spice pecan]

no

[hexed mountain]

Ruthless works tho

[spice pecan]

it's at the end of every repeat

[cobalt blade]

no its separate hits

[hexed mountain]

Oh thats nice

[spice pecan]

"Multistrike causes 2 repeats, or three hits per skill use; this causes Multistrike's third hit to usually always align with Glacial Hammer's third strike bonus, unless the multistrike was cancelled without resetting Glacial Hammer's counter."

[cobalt blade]

ruthless is worded differently for it every third time you use the skill

[tranquil sedge]

whats ai about this isnt this like the fruit videos back in the day

[hard cliff]

grok summarise this in one sentence

[cobalt blade]

instead of every third hit

[hexed mountain]

Its ruthless with multistrike that does a ruthless hit on every 3rd multistrike ghen

[finite quail]

you can tell by the lighting on the smoke clouds

[spice pecan]

multistrike and ancestral call

[hard cliff]

so every 9 hits with multi strike?

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[finite quail]

by how the light radiates between the clouds

[tranquil sedge]

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15401812

[finite quail]

and the perfect color shading it creates

[cobalt blade]

how does ancestral work for it

[finite quail]

the perfect shading

[spice pecan]

"Using both Multistrike Support and Ruthless Support will cause every 3rd multistrike use (7th, 8th, and 9th hit) to be Ruthless Blows. This guarantees at least one of the Ruthless Blows will also trigger the third strike bonus, unless Glacial Hammer's counter resets between the third multistrike use."

[hexed mountain]

Ruthless would align too and allow ancestral call

[spice pecan]

it's a strike, its just for clear

[cobalt blade]

if you hit 3 mobs is the 3rd mob the crit one

[hexed mountain]

If you have enough attack speed

[finite quail]

its always a tell with ai images

the lighting

[hard cliff]

I genuinely want to play a slammer with good attack speed

is that possible on budget or at all?

[cobalt blade]

yes im just wondering if its third successive strike counts ancestrals as separate hits

[spice pecan]

wiki doesn't say anything about ancestral call tbh

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/time-to-take-your-meds-eric-cartman-south-park-cupid-ye-south-park-s26e1-s26e1-gif-7821189482210209831

[hexed mountain]

I gues trans GH is probably a lot less cringe than msoz because since you dont need critchance you are basically a non crit build with marylene and some crit multi so your non-crit hits still hit hard

[finite quail]

what

[hexed mountain]

And can clear without the crit

[hard cliff]

if I don't use fist of war I would be trying to stack war cry cool down to keep exerts balanced with my attack speed, yes?

[hexed mountain]

Yeah wzrcries and overexert are massive multis

[hard cliff]

is their cheaper sources of cool down than tattoos which are prob expensive af

tree obv

worth going chief?

Volcanic Fissure of Snaking is several divs all league usuually, yes ?

https://pobb.in/9HaXyBntN7kP

That's kinda cool

[finite quail]

I don't think so anymore

Dont forget it got giga nerfed not too long ago

Like

Last league or something?

or was it this league

[hard cliff]

that is so fucked up

it's hard to believe

why Chris why

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

[finite quail]

it lost the autotargetting of the aoes

and got like a 50% damage nerf?

oh nvm it was the aoe

So unless you're in a confined space and close to the enemy, good luck getting all fissures to hit now

[ember goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-vs-vision-thanos-vision-stone-gauntlet-gif-17162364

yellow support gem?

thanos was going for his 6 link all along..

[onyx adder]

No

[tawdry olive]

bro got 6 linked sockets on his glove he cheatin

[earnest raven]

I have the power!!

[tranquil umbra]

Slower and Faster at the same time hmmge

[lean urchin]

slower is more dmg, faster is faster attack

[tranquil sedge]

craft cost 😮

[tranquil sedge]

slower proj support gives less proj speed + more proj damage, and the hybrid mod comes incresaed proj damage as well

faster attacks support gives increased attack speed, and the hybrid mod comes with increased proj speed

what build uses those gloves anyway?

[cobalt blade]

funky

[finite quail]

Maybe LS?

dunno why the goober who made that chose fingerless gloves

cause they got spell damage

not attack damage like spiked gloves

or the ranged glove variant

Or maybe its for kb?

unsure

[tranquil sedge]

oh

its for kb you're right

i didn't realize we could filter by mods on gear on poe.ninja

thats actually a huge feature heck

[finite quail]

That's a new thing

Was added not too long ago afaik

[cobalt blade]

standard gloves

nowadays its so much better to go warlock tbh the extra es far out weighs 16 inc damage lol

[coral summit]

maaan they really made it difficult to get infinite vaal ground slam now

[tranquil umbra]

should have done it in phrecia

[coral summit]

the closest thing I can figure is having less than 2aps with hateforge+triumvirate authority

if you get prevention duration slightly below 0.5s you can generate rage again between attacks

[ember goblet]

report him

[coral summit]

or rather from the hit

[tranquil umbra]

I was planning some real bullshit with 100% reduced sgp vaal vf

but then I got bored

[cobalt blade]

balbala soul catcher with flask effect scaling

[coral summit]

soul catcher's sgp is kinda low

but yeah i dont think its worth trying to build around right now

vaal skills not affected by duration are kinda doomge

and vgs is super goofy too cuz it's not affected by fist of war for reasons

[cobalt blade]

yeah but you can run 3 of them with 70% inc effect enkindling and rotate using balbala to sustsain

itll feel ass but it technically gives you like 20% with a bit of other flask effect scaling :D

[coral summit]

tru

it tilts me that it's still less damage effectiveness than 2/5 overlap earthshatter

[cobalt blade]

lol

[coral summit]

nearly every slam is worse damage than 2/5 overlaps

other than like, perforate and high charge cons path of endurance/tec slam of cataclysm

or old vfs

[finite quail]

wdym perforate

thats not a slam

or

wait

no

im getting it confused with another skill

[worldly bridge]

perforate is

[coral summit]

it's the world's goofiest slam

[finite quail]

I was thinking of Puncture

[worldly bridge]

woah new lamber pfp

[finite quail]

Hell yis

[worldly bridge]

bnuy

i think

[finite quail]

Naw

Dog girl

[worldly bridge]

even better

[finite quail]

Yesyes I agree

[worldly bridge]

as puppy iagree

anyway

slams

[finite quail]

Holy shit

[worldly bridge]

theyre getting gutted this patch anyway

[finite quail]

You're PUPPY???

[worldly bridge]

dont plan pobs around it

youre just gonna be dissapointed

[charred condor]

Guys as I never played og breach what were the encounters like

[finite quail]

Omg puppy...

[cobalt blade]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-bnuuy-steals-your-bunny-steals-your-bnuuy-gif-26209043

[worldly bridge]

ok so imagine unstable breaches

[finite quail]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-headpat-petting-dog-dog-pet-dog-headpats-gif-3432709680284777015

[worldly bridge]

but they never froze at the end

you just killed until it stopped expanding

once it collapsed the splinters dropped

[cobalt blade]

you could also have 10-20 in a map

and you could activate multiple at once

[charred condor]

Oh so you just kill the monsters

[worldly bridge]

get splinters to do a breach stone which is tehe same as the regular encounter but the size of a whole zone with a boss

[cobalt blade]

yep

[charred condor]

And it eventually closes?

[worldly bridge]

yeah you could get tons of breaches

[cobalt blade]

it was a kill everything in a circle mechanic

[worldly bridge]

yes it was literally just touch and kill

[finite quail]

faster unstable breaches, multiple per map, no need to kill the 4 rares or boss it spawns for the breach to close

[worldly bridge]

there was very little nuance to it

[cobalt blade]

kind of it works pretty similar to unstable breaches but the timer was invisible

[worldly bridge]

the most complex they got was to not stand outside of them

[cobalt blade]

if you were too slow it would start closing early but you could also kill everything and it would reach its maximum distance

[charred condor]

So easier?

[worldly bridge]

so the monsters didnt dissapear

[finite quail]

No, not really

[worldly bridge]

they were more difficult imo

[finite quail]

The og breach mobs were harder

[charred condor]

Oh

[worldly bridge]

and there were MUCH MUCH more of them

[finite quail]

Current breach mobs are weak as fuck

[cobalt blade]

^^

[clever inlet]

3.29 waiting room so they delete kingsmarch and tree

[worldly bridge]

the bosses you could encounter in maps were harder to see

[cobalt blade]

there was also like double or triple the mobs

per b reach

[finite quail]

In your dreams

[worldly bridge]

so idk if youd count that as difficulty

[clever inlet]

a man can dream

[cobalt blade]

they were pretty constant with full invest breach

multiple per map

[finite quail]

It'll remain a dream cause that's def not happening lmao

[cobalt blade]

and i would argue harder since they had shotgun mechanics

[worldly bridge]

saving this in my private sever\

[cobalt blade]

and tul was tul

[cobalt blade]

fire pfp

[finite quail]

[clever inlet]

course it's not

[charred condor]

Lowkey I’d be fine with that as long as they weren’t tanky rares

[coral summit]

its insane that those exact breach mobs are just the ones from poe2

and in poe2 they are WAY rippier

[clever inlet]

least they could do is buff ground loot

[cobalt blade]

there could be tanky mobs

[coral summit]

the it that hates monsters in poe2 are the chaos spark mobs and they will fuck you up

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/damin-toell-3

[cobalt blade]

almost like we have an extra couple 0's to our power level in 1

[worldly bridge]

true

[finite quail]

why...

[cobalt blade]

and our defensive layers

[coral summit]

naw i mean even baseline

[tranquil sedge]

are they rippier or are you weaker (relatively speaking)

[worldly bridge]

i think the main difference is defense

not offense

poe2 defense boils down to how much raw hitpool can you muster

[charred condor]

Oh

[coral summit]

my char in keepers didnt have that much in the way of defense vs chaos dmg

just cap res

[worldly bridge]

and maybe you are forced to build mitigation if youre on the bottom half

[clever inlet]

poe2 defence is just how fast you can leech

or regen

[worldly bridge]

leech in poe2

REGEN

LMAO

[coral summit]

in poe2 those fuckers will twoshot you in t15 maps even with cap chaos res

[worldly bridge]

convocation would like to have a word with you

[clever inlet]

before the jewel was nerfed

[cobalt blade]

do you have 70% evade-block-instant leech-an actual good flask etc

[coral summit]

unless you have high evasion/higher than 3k hit pool

[clever inlet]

now it's just leech

[worldly bridge]

there is no need to leech or regen in poe2

you cant leech es

which is the best defense

[clever inlet]

you can?

[worldly bridge]

on what, chalupa?

miss me with that

[coral summit]

essentia sanguis is gloves in poe2

[worldly bridge]

lets move to poe2

[charred condor]

Guys what flask mods u are good

[worldly bridge]

#2┃general

[coral summit]

nah i was gonna tail back to poe1 talk on it

[charred condor]

Would u say are good

[coral summit]

i think they just didnt adjust the numbers to accomodate for our way higher defenses

[cobalt blade]

10x damage to all breach mobs next patch

maybe 100x

[coral summit]

yeah these are the numbers for a lv84 it that hates in poe1

uh

did i fuck up and not post it LOL

but yeah its like 450 average phys, 450 average chaos in poe1 at lv84

in poe2, a level 82 it that hates is 450 avg chaos

[charred condor]

Is it worth it to have kingsmarch runners do your T1 maps for you

[coral summit]

so in poe1 they got 100% of damage added as phys basically to have a vector for phys as extra ele scaling

except they still do so little base damage that it just doesnt matter

and since it's spell damage it's way easier to proof against in poe1 too with suppression or block

even without either, any 10k armor/75 chaos res char isnt taking any damage from it in poe1

they legit gotta like quadruple the numbers to make em rippy

[cobalt blade]

low key i dont even think 100x is enough to make that relevant

[coral summit]

their hit rate is pretty fast

[cobalt blade]

if its spell with suppression and shit

fair

[tranquil sedge]

what is doing this damage

[coral summit]

its that breach monster with the big forward spindly legs

[tranquil sedge]

and how many of them are there and how often do they hit?

[coral summit]

slams them down to do purple lines/chaos sparks

they're an uncommon breach monster so they arent fodder

in poe2 they are... notoriously rippy early on

[tranquil sedge]

they legit gotta like quadruple the numbers to make em rippy
just saying, raw damage aint the only way to make stuff rippy

[coral summit]

they have a bit of a windup to start attacking but once they do they attack 5 times

[tranquil sedge]

can up spawn rates, hit more often, add pen, etc.

[coral summit]

in a bit under a second

they usually spawn as either normal or rares, havent seen them as magics

[cobalt blade]

take the route of mercenaries

give them bypass defences

[coral summit]

so if they show up as rares sometimes they had stuff like haste/dmg as extra/extra crits

in poe2 even though their base numbers on paper are kinda low its way easier to scale monster dmg really high or for them to hit hard

in poe1, low base numbers on a monster means they arent doing shit unless they shotgun you for like 20 hits

or unless it spawns like five at once

which they dont cuz that particular monster is a big slow dumbass

im just saying i dont get the instinctual capital F Fear response in this game to seeing the big breach mobs the way I did in poe2 until my char was broken as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srNNU4djz2g

[worldly bridge]

all of kingsmarch is worth it if you care to invest into it

its basically free loot

people like to say "youre stupid if you dont use it because its free loot" but like

i dont use it and im chillin

[tranquil sedge]

the answer to his question is NO though

[worldly bridge]

its up to you if you wanna fiddle with it

[tranquil sedge]

its certainly not worth using mappers on t1 maps

[worldly bridge]

oh right sorry uh

not t1s, run 16s

[tranquil sedge]

no, save your gold and dont use mappers till you're at least at t16s

even farmers can wait till you progress more
don't get distracted by kingsmarch early on, your main goal should be to progress your build to stable t16 farming

kingsmarch is passive income but its also slow as fuck passive income, and it takes a little upfront gold investment to reach that point (high level farmers)

so hold off on it for now

[worldly bridge]

get as many level 4 and 5 mappers as possible then shove all of your 16s in that you dont want to run yourself

like maps that brick for you after vaal orbing

[cobalt blade]

would personally not touch it till you have a surplus of like 4-5m gold

atleast in a trade enviroment

takes like 2-3m to roll all your guys to make it worth ontop of the actual gold cost to run it

[tranquil sedge]

what are you talking about

mappers or farmers?

[cobalt blade]

mappers and farmers

[tranquil sedge]

mappers need to be all high level before even starting yes

but farmers you could start as soon as you're not in a gold deficit

[cobalt blade]

its a massive waste of gold if you only roll for one at a time so its hard for me to separate em in my head

[loud geyser]

prayge i wake up to news

need another teaser

[cobalt blade]

you basically always get the other well rolling for one

[tranquil sedge]

i mean
the cost of rolling doesn't change if you do it one at a time or all at once

as long as you buy farmers, mappers and shippers all as they show up* yes
-# oh and disenchanters too yea

[cobalt blade]

yea

[loud geyser]

i fully expect some connection to Zarokh in Mirage

[tranquil sedge]

while i agree that most casual players will prob be better off waiting till they have a bulk of gold to start, it's not necessary

just don't make sure you fuck up and run out of gold for more important things like trading first

[cobalt blade]

which means filling out all your farms will end up with you spending a shit ton on mappers possibly close to a mil even if you only end up with 2 map devices full of em

ye fair

[tranquil sedge]

plus once you have farmers ur also starting the hourly gold cost

[cobalt blade]

oh also yeah

avoid farmers that have mapper as a secondary job

fucking 5x the gold cost

[tranquil sedge]

maybe it really is worth spending an extra day or two once you reach t16+ maps to just grind some bulk gold

and then just go all at once ig

[cobalt blade]

its worked p well for me doing it on day 3-4

[loud geyser]

gold grows on trees in 16+

[cobalt blade]

full town setup albiet i also do disenchants because i like recombing

[loud geyser]

you can go into an unmodded map and get a lot of it

[finite quail]

it literally grows on trees now

from the keepers tree