1┃general

[pliant hamlet]

there was a 237% quality multistrike for a while

but now it's like 147% quality

[worldly bridge]

i think i could equip calipso timeless jewel actually

[pliant hamlet]

obv there's the 25k fire res chest

[finite quail]

Sad support to get so much quality on

[lucid gale]

Never forget:

[pliant hamlet]

haha kiwihalt

[opaque wing]

Kiwihalt never forget

[pliant hamlet]

We got to see so many behind the scene gems then

I can't believe it took like 9 years for us to GET ambush

when it was in the code back then lol

[tight plinth]

100% ms

im getting that on every character

[spice pecan]

i want to see that giga quality multistrike wtf

[final owl]

is that not just kind of a 2 flask mageblood

[finite quail]

LMAO

[cobalt blade]

its still worse

[pliant hamlet]

oh kiwihalt was so bad lol

[finite quail]

wtf was that

100% movement speed

[solar smelt]

I cant wait to see the armor designs for the league supporter bundles

[tight plinth]

wdym its bad, you have a kiwi on your offhand

thats like the best thing ever

[finite quail]

God tier shield

only cause kiwi

[pliant hamlet]

https://imgur.com/nfjj2m3

[lucid gale]

For anyone unfamiliar: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/861418/page/1

[pliant hamlet]

kiwihalt is my favorite thing that happened lol

I wish it was longer than 20 minutes

if you just want to see the funny items:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/21e30b/wtf_lets_compile_all_the_ridiculousness_here/

[worldly bridge]

wowie

thank you duelist

[pliant hamlet]

\o/

[worldly bridge]

the best necromancer

[tight plinth]

woah, return projectiles was a gem idea long ago

[cobalt blade]

mmm 100quant

[pliant hamlet]

god, quant was so cheap on release lol

[somber sundial]

Would making damage go through your ward, mana, es and hp be an effective way to make you bulky

[silent leaf]

is that a fucking chicken nugget shaped sword

[pliant hamlet]

What is that texture lol

I can't parse it

[finite quail]

Lmfao

[worldly bridge]

potentially

[finite quail]

Bow melee unlocked

[tight plinth]

ahahaha everything about this is wrong

[final owl]

how is that thing an axe, it looks like a lump of chicken jerky

[cobalt blade]

unused one i think

i dont recognize it either tbh

[somber sundial]

Let’s say I can leech Es, hp and mana, I am trickster frenzy stacker

With replica badge of brothers hood

[finite quail]

what the fuck

[pliant hamlet]

it took me a long time to recognize the void battery on bringer of rain sooo lol

[finite quail]

this was like 12 years ago

[cobalt blade]

took a few years to get this and it came with downside

[finite quail]

No

[pliant hamlet]

It was completely overpowered

lol

[finite quail]

We got it as an anoint

Without a downside

[cobalt blade]

yea but it came with downside on the support lol

[finite quail]

Then people found out it was basically double damage

And then it got nerfed

[pliant hamlet]

It's a lot more than double damage in some instances

[lucid gale]

Looks like doublewide of one of the the two daggers that make a bow?

[pliant hamlet]

looking at you soulrend of spiral and fireball

[worldly bridge]

its not an annoint?

[somber sundial]

Anxiety attack

[worldly bridge]

it only counts for something called "barrages"

[pliant hamlet]

it was

[worldly bridge]

so dont you need barrage support

[cobalt blade]

it used to be

[pliant hamlet]

they nerfed the hell out of it lol

[worldly bridge]

yeah i nkow about it

[tight plinth]

[worldly bridge]

but it says barrage

[cobalt blade]

nono

old anoint mika

vengeant cascade used to just read attack projectiles return

[worldly bridge]

'ah

[lucid gale]

Hmm, no, was thinking of Arborix, but it's not those.

[cobalt blade]

also i think return pierce

[pliant hamlet]

The recipe to anointment has changed: 

Verdant Oil
 x1, 

Indigo Oil
 x1, 

Opalescent Oil
 x1, previously used by Panopticon (via announced Passive Skill Tree JSON[1])```

[cobalt blade]

i think its just unused completely?

[finite quail]

Interesting tabula

[worldly bridge]

wait a minute keystone annoint???

[pliant hamlet]

It's just a notable

[cobalt blade]

worship the blightheart

its not good but it exists

[pliant hamlet]

it was amber and 2x golden and boy

[spice pecan]

rip vengeant cascade

[pliant hamlet]

goldens were expensive that league

[worldly bridge]

as many things in this game do

[supple girder]

can some1 tell me what are those blue explosion???

[cobalt blade]

herald mtx

[silent leaf]

herald of ice

[pliant hamlet]

herald of ice mtx

[supple girder]

ohhhh

[tight plinth]

in case you didnt get that, its a herald of ice mtx

[worldly bridge]

heralds are basically just an mtx skill

[bold scarab]

That's so bad

[supple girder]

yea it looks cool

[tight plinth]

it do be looking cool

[pliant hamlet]

is that automaton herald?

[supple girder]

but i cant find it in the shop (the same exact one) or im blind

[cobalt blade]

yeah i think so

[silent leaf]

no its flicker p sure lmao

[silent leaf]

im 99% sure

its flicker

[pliant hamlet]

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=955aB4xCNDs

erm what lol

[worldly bridge]

only 7 steam achievenments left

one day ill work through them

[silent leaf]

oh

[pliant hamlet]

there we go, didn't embed for some reason

[silent leaf]

the mtx effect

i thought the build

[cobalt blade]

[pliant hamlet]

lol

[cobalt blade]

what ones u got left

[finite quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxc73yhFiwU

[supple girder]

hmm now the question is if its worth to buy it cause it looks cool

[silent leaf]

wow old poe looks really

idk what word to say it

regally weird

[worldly bridge]

lvl 80+100 hardcore, hardcore lab (i already have a jugg in maps just not very far), 15 charges, CTF, aul fight, and "all ears"

[pliant hamlet]

god, that reminds me of my old cast on death spectre build

[worldly bridge]

all ears im planning on doing next league i think

unless i get a stick up my ass and i do a run before next launch

actually... ima do that

tn

[pliant hamlet]

charges would be easy to do atm

[worldly bridge]

all ears begins

how do charges

[cobalt blade]

if you have a slayer you can grab badge of the brother hood and charges are easy

[worldly bridge]

i have slayers

[livid quarry]

i think i have like 12 slayers

[worldly bridge]

slayer my baby 💜

[cobalt blade]

use 3 doedre flasks

[finite quail]

slayer boo

[slow sonnet]

Both HoI and HoF for this are GOATed

[cobalt blade]

after pathing all the powers

should get you it

[finite quail]

but why would you do that

[pliant hamlet]

wait, is it 15 charges?

[cobalt blade]

achievement

[pliant hamlet]

I thought it was 12

[cobalt blade]

yea 15 total charges

[worldly bridge]

do i just buy three 3 charge flsks

[pliant hamlet]

oh TOTAL? that's incredibly easy lol

[soft perch]

slayer ele hit time

[cobalt blade]

actually you probably only need 1 thinking about it

can just unequip and requip in hideout

lol

[pliant hamlet]

3+3+3 base + 3x kaom's sign or foulborn romiras for 12, + whatever other charges are close on your tree.

I'd just go in standard, full respec, pick up all the +charge points on tree, buy 2 kaom's sign, use charge flasks to fill up

[cobalt blade]

but ye very easy and something you get accidentally playing charge stackers :p

[worldly bridge]

oh ok i got it

[cobalt blade]

badge means you just need the charges on tree as slayer

[worldly bridge]

didnt need to change anything

except brutal charge belt

[cobalt blade]

pog

[pliant hamlet]

pog

[worldly bridge]

do ppl use doedres elixer with ci

[cobalt blade]

no its bad

[worldly bridge]

thats the obvious use right

ah

fair

[cobalt blade]

you can generate charges easily with mark mastery n stuff lol

and tincture has too much value or bottled faith for casters or wine for fun

[worldly bridge]

can anyone play CTF with me 🥺

[pliant hamlet]

doedre's elixir is basically only used for cod builds

[cobalt blade]

^^

[pliant hamlet]

It's seen some fringe use over the years in other builds

but it's a good way to die with full charges

[supple girder]

yea but i kinda dont know when does the herald of ice work i have it on but i see completly 0 effect (im stupid ok?)

[cobalt blade]

you need to freeze and shatter the mob

"if you shatter they explode"

[pliant hamlet]

Herald of ice specifically activates when you shatter an enemy. That means they die while frozen

[supple girder]

mhm

and i dont froze them

[pliant hamlet]

Then yeah hoi is just bad for your build as it is 😄

[cobalt blade]

also idk how many ppl are required but id be down

[pliant hamlet]

Are you trying to freeze and can't?

[supple girder]

i mean idc if it adds dmg i have more than enough i just want to make my build look cool lol

[slow sonnet]

I'm checking what the meta was this league

[pliant hamlet]

Do you crit, do you deal cold damage and do you have anything stopping you from freezing?

[slow sonnet]

Elementalist and Necro

[pliant hamlet]

I also use hoi for the same reason Lol

[supple girder]

i do, chaos dmg

[worldly bridge]

enough people to begin the mode ig

[cobalt blade]

hmm

[pliant hamlet]

I don't think you can use it easily

if you can slot in expedition end it'd work

[worldly bridge]

do you have any std chars

[cobalt blade]

yuh ofc

[worldly bridge]

gaming

[cobalt blade]

also you got me looking at my own achis how've i never done this

[worldly bridge]

if ur down to do it im available rn

[cobalt blade]

ye sure

[worldly bridge]

its harder than it first appears

[cobalt blade]

game starting :3

[worldly bridge]

you so easily can skip them without thinking

[cobalt blade]

ye +prolly one in a zone your not required to goto

[worldly bridge]

like how did i miss bath house on this char

i already have it but point stands

[cobalt blade]

yeye

[slow sonnet]

Easy to miss lmao but also easy to do if you're doing it

[worldly bridge]

anyone here ever done this?

i did and it wasnt worth it

[cobalt blade]

wtf even gives that voiceline

[loud geyser]

🤔

[stray sedge]

There's one in each temple

[cobalt blade]

also idk how you even queue for ctf

[loud geyser]

is that where you fight either the moon or sun enemy

[slow sonnet]

Whay even is this what

[worldly bridge]

walking up to the door

[cobalt blade]

but my standard chars name

[slow sonnet]

I have never seen that and I am a slow campaign player

[stray sedge]

tbh I forgot where the reward thing is or whatever, maybe the Grand Promenade?

[slow sonnet]

Is it a new thing?

[lucid gale]

Did it just to experience it after hearing about it on a stream. Kind of neat.

[stray sedge]

they added these fun little hidden things throughout the acts here and there over the last few years

for example in act 2 you can find a "hidden" gem room in the chamber of sins

[slow sonnet]

Oh I did find that

[lucid gale]

I love when running into altered things in the campaign and getting an eerie feeling that something is off.

[slow sonnet]

I found a hidden sewer hideout in sarn too

I liked it

[lucid gale]

The whole hub area in Sarn was amazing to discover in a league start a few leagues after it was added.

Like 3 AM, way too tired, and severely doubting my sanity.

[stray sedge]

act 1, the climb: "Hmmm, it appears I have torn a hole in reality and summoned two feuding armies"
act 2, chamber of sins: hehehe gem

[slow sonnet]

Act 3: "Heist???"

Craziest change was def the cliffs, or, uh, whatever Kuduku's area is called

With the side area with the goats

[bold scarab]

The goats were horrible

About as bad as the rhoas

[worldly bridge]

oh because legion?

[bold scarab]

Rhoas were worse cuz no movement skill at lvl 2-4

[stray sedge]

yeah lol

[worldly bridge]

yeah its a bit on the nose lol

well i go shower then come back to do the fabeled LORE RUN ive heard so much about

[bold scarab]

And it drops literally nothing ... Same for the act 2 ritual ... Basically just XP

[worldly bridge]

i mean

it does drop loot

it IS still legion at the end of the day

[stray sedge]

honestly if you manage to chase the reward guys throughout those 20 seconds its nb

[bold scarab]

Useless loot

Even in level

[worldly bridge]

"useless"

[hard cliff]

Hello chat

[stray sedge]

its almost the equivalenf of having like 4-8+ rares drop

[worldly bridge]

for someone it snot

[hard cliff]

Desert league

https://giphy.com/gifs/studiosoriginals-hump-day-geico-camel-BVSMbtX5ZRGqwnCQnX

[bold scarab]

Mirage archer/dervish rework kek

They should make AWoS the default AW skill ... If they are gonna lock a lvl 4 skill behind a lvl 28 skill

Cuz it's the only version of AW that doesn't need lingering blades

And they took out every source of lingering blades before blade fall and lab 1

[lucid gale]

||Never gonna exile you, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and|| desert || you||.

[bold scarab]

As for blade blast

I have no clue

[worldly bridge]

the blade sills make no sense to me

are they attacks

[bold scarab]

They are phys spells

[worldly bridge]

O_o

[finite quail]

they are physical spells

[bold scarab]

Technically themed around the rune daggers

[worldly bridge]

oh thats what rune daggers are for

[bold scarab]

Which are spell melee weapons

[cobalt blade]

whens the legendary blade blade

[finite quail]

No

Rune daggers are a basetype

[worldly bridge]

yeah i nkow

but ive never seen anyone use them

[finite quail]

They're niche

[bold scarab]

Like you don't NEED to use them but pretty sure that was the weapon they were themed around

[finite quail]

Dagger masteries are quite nice though

[bold scarab]

Like

Especially considering cold iron point exists

Each one giving +3 to phys skills and phys spells are phys skills kek

The only one really out of place is AW honestly

Cuz the minions are attack minions

That use the leftover lingering blades from the spells

[peak ore]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/AuronKaelix-8784/character/SSF_KaelixSlams i swapped to trade. for earthshatter zerker am i strong enough to fight the 4 watchstone bosses as a beginner yet

[worldly bridge]

axe could be better i think

[opaque wing]

You'll probably feel weak, given the lack of knowledge, but 1.4m+ is enough to do all the bosses.

[peak ore]

i see people with way more dps than me with similar gear worse axe

not sure where i went wrong

[worldly bridge]

[opaque wing]

Its probably PoB configuration, earthshatter shotguns and you have to manually set that up

[worldly bridge]

then nevermind ig lol

[peak ore]

im just lookin based off poe ninja stat shown

people with like 850 dps axes with more dps than me lol

[finite quail]

Look for differences

You should be strong enough tho

[heady cliff]

for most boss fights actual experience doing them could easily offset 5x dps difference

[true falcon]

So now that we have a single 30 second teaser, and the name of the league, what's the best build going to be

[heady cliff]

hideout warrior, as usual

but it is boring and not many people play it

[final owl]

getting good at hideout warrioring requires too much time hideout warrioring

[thick goblet]

yeah your gear is there, maven and uelder might require some practice/a few attempts
but you can clear

[finite quail]

we still don't know

wait until patchnotes

[opaque wing]

Best build is the one you wish for, as it is wish league. 🙂

[finite quail]

best build is the one you make yourself

and have the most fun with

[true falcon]

I wish for 400% increased blind effect, and 500% faster ignites

[finite quail]

okay that's cool

go and make it

[true falcon]

Neither of those are possible, that's why I'm wishing

[tawdry olive]

lol the livestream Q&A thing

we gonna have jonathan and mark for reveals, then after that Jonathan's gonna just sit up and say im out and Octavian comes in

that's my headcanon

[tight plinth]

i didnt know octavian works at ggg

[opaque wing]

He started at Q/A a while back and has climbed the way up, I'm excited to see what the live stream places his title as

[ember goblet]

#1┃general favorite GGG "zao" will actually be the one making the appearance

[spice pecan]

the most iconic card from the Mirage set in MTG is Lion's Eye Diamond, and our first town is Lioneye's Watch... in Mirage league...

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[tranquil umbra]

can I take both Magebane and the ES/EV Mastery that disables Dex bonus on EV?

[opaque sphinx]

was that navali in the teaser

[spice pecan]

yes

[opaque sphinx]

looked like her

[spice pecan]

you can

[tranquil umbra]

splendid

[tight plinth]

which teaser? all i saw was the genie

[opaque sphinx]

genie sounded like navali

[tight plinth]

ahhh

idk, kinda similar but i dont think its navali

navali sounds more inhuman-y sounding

[opaque sphinx]

idk matbe navali got kidnapped my some maraketh dudes and thats why she disappeared and looks the way she does now

[tight plinth]

maybe thats the general lady pre snake mutation

[opaque sphinx]

perhaps

[tight plinth]

oh wait, we already got aukuna

i was thinking of ahuana from tota nvm

[bold scarab]

Time travel league

[hard cliff]

Dude @bold scarab

Maybe it's time to cook bladefall bladeblast for league start

Maybe it's crazy enough to work

maybe BV would be literally triple the damage at minimum

[bold scarab]

Too annoying since they deleted lingering blades before blade fall

[hexed mountain]

I mean bf bb been decent for a while now

[surreal musk]

bfbb can boss decently just the clear is beyond abysmal

[hard cliff]

How's it compare in power to say bleed slam

[bold scarab]

Worse

[hexed mountain]

Can two stones chill and is stronger in campain post lab 1

[hard cliff]

I should just save the meme builds for the 2nd charecter and start Slayer

[bold scarab]

Ye

[spice pecan]

is there a way to play bfbb without it being a 2 button build

[hard cliff]

What ascendascy ?

[hexed mountain]

Herald stack lab 1 with bf bb is crazy strong

Elem is easiest

[hard cliff]

It always is isn't it lol

[hexed mountain]

Its not a real two button build

Like cascade BF clears alone

You only BB rares

[spice pecan]

hmm

[hard cliff]

Yeah I like builds like that

I like having some ramp if it's not too front loaded

it's fun

[junior otter]

Starting any cascade build seems dumb

[spice pecan]

maybe throw blade blast into a trigger weapon or something

[junior otter]

So reliant on awakened gem

[hexed mountain]

Disagreed

[hard cliff]

This is why I haven't played that new storm call build

[spice pecan]

bfbb probably gets away without woke cascade but yeah i agree

[hexed mountain]

You dont need it at all to get 2 to 4 stones

[hard cliff]

The guy made it sound like it just don't even function without woke spell cascade

[junior otter]

That's not really a great benchmark

[hexed mountain]

Also bf isnt the big single target so woke cascade isnt as relevant

[junior otter]

You barely need anything on everything to get 2-4 stones

[spice pecan]

to be fair a lot of builds that use cascade are pretty awful without woke cascade

[hexed mountain]

There are different 2-4 stones builds

[spice pecan]

cold snap of power, storm call, etc

impending doom kinda gets away with it but you still rly want it

[tight plinth]

if youre coc-ing ice spear with cyclone, you arent getting the second form to hit the target yeah?

[spice pecan]

as far as im aware correct

[hexed mountain]

Like go to lab 1 take the herald wheel and herald lab and see how much damage you have already. As league start it feels amazing

[junior otter]

Maven is like the only challenge for stones

[spice pecan]

lancing steel of spraying would probably be much better for ice spear

[tight plinth]

needs to be melee

[spice pecan]

plus it synergizes with return proj

[junior otter]

Quest exarch and eater are free, Uber shaper is annoying to get a key but not hard

[spice pecan]

i'd pick something that isn't ice spear then

[tight plinth]

yeah

[spice pecan]

especially if you aren't running return proj

[tight plinth]

trans gc maybe

[hexed mountain]

Bf bb was doing so good in phrecia 1 i didnt even bother going crit before 4 stones

[surreal musk]

i find zdps ue harder than maven , puddles can get unmanagaable if its a long fight but u can maven forever if ur consistent with memory game

[hexed mountain]

(it got awkward because ssf gear and EO ... And i found a starfall crater. Dude took a while)

Now bf got 10 base crit too its kinda nice

[junior otter]

Maybe but nowadays you need to be like extremely zdps to get dps checked by uelder

Maven is just a pretty hard fight if you arent bursting her

[final owl]

uelder is absolute cake relative to the visual noise that is the maven fight

[hexed mountain]

Only thing is i expect elem to be nerfed so it might not be as good

[junior otter]

Maven also has a hard DPS check

[hexed mountain]

Would probably just roll it on assassin if nerf is too bad and transition into sabo BB of unloading

[thick goblet]

this league i ssf started hroc and since lancing steel auto aims, during maven i literally couldn't kill the nucleus since i kept targetting the map bosses and was too zdps to kill them quickly enough

[junior otter]

assassin

[surreal musk]

xd

[hexed mountain]

Well trickster is not great leaguestart and sabo isnt good with BF before you do BB of unloading so you got to pick an ascendancy until you swap

[junior otter]

The obvious answer is to commit to scion starter for scav no matter what you're playing

[hexed mountain]

If you go for BB of unloading ofc. If not inquis is solid

Assassin might get a buff too. It got reworked and flopped

[junior otter]

It needs another rework not really a buff

[hexed mountain]

And elem might be good even with the nerf

[junior otter]

It's too niche

[hexed mountain]

Scav looks fun but i dont want to leaguestart a build that is basically unascended until merciless lab

[surreal musk]

what would they nerf about ele

[hexed mountain]

Defensive node for campain

Probably golems

And herald

[junior otter]

Golems already got nerfed

[hexed mountain]

Still need a nerf. They got legit an additional stat line for free each with their rework

[junior otter]

How can they nerf it without just making golems even more worthless for non eles

[hexed mountain]

Also its a 2 pointer

[woeful gorge]

aww is phrecia 2.0 over?

[hexed mountain]

Make elem node worse

Yes

[junior otter]

Taking away 50% golem eff doesn't really matter that much

Removing a max golem would be extremely mean

The only thing I can see them doing is splitting it into two separate nodes and forcing eles to commit half their asc to golems

[spice pecan]

this is literally how it used to be

and no one took it

[junior otter]

Golems weren't as good as they are now

[hexed mountain]

Yeah its a node that has a 4 point power level

[spice pecan]

golems haven't been changed between 3.25 and now though?

[surreal musk]

i dont think ele is op , its very strong league start cause golems just solve all ur problems and are massive qol with mana regen / attack speed/ aoe/ chaos res and good dmg and its a very general ascendancy where most things can work but its not exceptionally strong past day1

[junior otter]

What?

[lost thistle]

Golems are fine, they aren't even a big deal other then being strong early on

[hexed mountain]

Thats a LOT of stats for 2 points

[silent leaf]

ye thats why you run 4 megalomaniacs with 50% eff

[hexed mountain]

Its like if guardian had elemental relics as 2 pointer it would be a problem

[spice pecan]

elementalist was changed last league, but the golem gems have been the same for a long time?

[hexed mountain]

No

[dreamy charm]

i really just want them to shake up the meta a bit tbh im so bored of starting slams in ssf

[hexed mountain]

They got changed each golem gives two stat lines

[spice pecan]

oh nvm

they did buff the golem gems

[hexed mountain]

Stone golem used to give life regen only now its life regen and defenczs

Same for the others

[spice pecan]

yeah yeah

[lost thistle]

If they really wanted to nerf golems they will move where golem commander is. Its way to easy to use on almost any type of build

[hexed mountain]

Golems should respawn by default on the gem tho. Its lame that only elem has viable golem usage

[junior otter]

Using golems for stats on anything other than ele is dumb yeah

It's not even just the respawn part it's the ele DMG immunity

[hexed mountain]

If they respawned by default i would definitzly take the 3 pointer and put 2 golems with meatshield on other builds

[final owl]

fine you've talked me into it, 3.28 golemancer start

[junior otter]

Slams aren't even the best starter in ssf tho

[lost thistle]

Being talked into anything before patch notes is silly

[tight plinth]

meh i dont think theyll be changing much of anything anyway

[junior otter]

Unless there's new content im playing a bow build scion starter

[final owl]

I maaaaaay not be being entirely serious 😇

[hexed mountain]

Patch note about to be elemantalist dead, assassin and warden OP

[surreal musk]

i hope they re-rework the failure that is assasian

just delete poison crit

[hexed mountain]

Planning in a warden start if nothing changes

[crisp plinth]

Cank into that cbt

[final owl]

I'm just counting it in my head as one of the builds to consider because i need to consider at least 10 before i can choose the most bait one

[lost thistle]

What they really need to do, is lower the mana cost of clarity by like 2x, or give us more mana regen in the leveling game. It feels bad having to click mana flasks

[tight plinth]

my starter is locked and loaded

[hexed mountain]

Arrogance clarity is the play

[surreal musk]

lightning golem

[onyx adder]

Theyre fine on necro caster

Flame golem is borked

[hexed mountain]

Im really really curious about what temporary power we getting for mirage league

[junior otter]

necro? Sounds like a summoner never heard of it

[onyx adder]

Corpse pact good node

[dreamy charm]

its the go to starter for me. i tried pconc once it was hard to get uber elder down. beside idk srs or kboc idk what else to play

[lost thistle]

I hope we finally get the cube. I would love to have mageblood functionality and get stats on my belt.

[hexed mountain]

Wdym

You got dex

And str

Lowkey its always annoying when you get a HH and want to belt swap for pinnacles. But no dex

[onyx adder]

Kboc isnt a great starter in ssf its annoying to do pinnacles with no gear

[junior otter]

Searing bond

[lost thistle]

Easy solution, don''t play SSF

[hexed mountain]

Yeah just KF totem if you wander leaguestart in ssf

KF totem needs 0 gear to get 4 stones

[junior otter]

I didn't know totems can use wand attacks

[hexed mountain]

Ballistas

[lost thistle]

You know kf is gonna get dumpstered

[hexed mountain]

Nah

[onyx adder]

Dont tell me brother idc what the op does im just responding to him

[junior otter]

That's what I meant

[onyx adder]

Yer KF in general is a much better 0 gear skill

[surreal musk]

wintertide brand/cold dot ele is imo the 2nd strongest day 1 starter , next to slams

[hexed mountain]

Warden KF totems can probably get a few million dps day 2 even in ssf

[split maple]

Idk, kboc felt to me pretty good on early tree gear

[lost thistle]

You mispelled mines

[split maple]

Like sure it's no earthshatter

But Just take some mana and its alright

[hexed mountain]

Its decent for breaches too

[onyx adder]

So many skills are playable but bleh in ssf as a starter

Kboc is one of those

[hexed mountain]

Because lets be real in ssf if the tree stays this way its breach atlas first to get gear

[onyx adder]

At least its less terrible at pinnacles than like

Self cast spells

[onyx adder]

It wont be lul

Although breach first might still be the play

[split maple]

I mean not starting slams in general shouldn't be recommended for ssf

[onyx adder]

Gotta see nodes and notes

[split maple]

If you want scarb farm early at least

[lost thistle]

Someday they will make selfcast spells good again. Its stupid that triggering spells is always 10x better thenself cast always

[hexed mountain]

I like starting mamba in ssf too. Just you can get RNGed looking for clusters

[onyx adder]

Certain self cast spells are fine starters

[umbral crag]

@split maple im finally 4k int

[lost thistle]

I miss being able to play Arc just have fun, without feeling like a dumbdumb for doing 1/100th the damage and clearspeed i could have with a million other builds

[surreal musk]

breach tree was only good in early progression once u started doing lucrative farms it was better to just ignore breach , so if nerfed version is ever good its gonna be as ur first atlas or not at all

[umbral crag]

Still need my last three levels tho

[onyx adder]

Usually for a given value of "self cast"

Wintertide is fine starter for example

[hard cliff]

what's the ballista build where it fires out magic bullets?

kboc?

[split maple]

Ffs lacro

[junior otter]

Rollin magma good ssf

[onyx adder]

Pbod is an ok starter if u dont wanna map much early and wanna do other content

[umbral crag]

I could be 4.1k int with the last three levels

[junior otter]

Transition into apocalypse brand

[onyx adder]

Honestly just staying with armabrand cremation is an easy 4 stone

[hard cliff]

it's tempting

I already played pyroclast mines so I imagine it'll be very similar

[onyx adder]

It just doesnt scale after that

[umbral crag]

That 3 passive point is 150m dps kekw

[split maple]

The only painge stuff with pbod start is having to farm conquerors on armabrand

[spice pecan]

watching an empy video from crucible league, someone in chat says "is this going to be a boring cold dot build"

empy goes "yeah.. we uh, we farmed 4 mirrors to play cold dot in softcore trade. yep."

[hard cliff]

why

[spice pecan]

idk why but that was fucking funny

[hexed mountain]

I miss cold dot being good

[split maple]

It's Just using janky skill way too long

[hexed mountain]

Was such a banger starter

[onyx adder]

Cold dot is a fine starter right now

Probably somewhere between A and S tier if ur ranking em

Scales like ass as always but especially for like

[hexed mountain]

Idk damage seems limited

[onyx adder]

Fast 2 stone its great

[hard cliff]

I want to league start blood magic infernal mantle heiro self cast firestorm but their is just no way that's a good idea

[spice pecan]

I kind of want to try perma vaal coldsnap

[surreal musk]

yeah it doesnt scale at all just like all dot skills but its very strong day1 build

[onyx adder]

I mean it is but ur never gonna find a sick starter tha clears well, bosses well, moves well and scales well

[hexed mountain]

KF

[onyx adder]

Wintertide is like 2.5 of those

[elfin shale]

That sounds dogshit

[onyx adder]

Wintertide needs less gear hence faster 2 stone

U need actual nothing

[hexed mountain]

KF needs 0 gear with ballistas too

[onyx adder]

Which is fortunate, because wintertide scales with actual nothing

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/lm2F7nA_DqOi

[hexed mountain]

A white wand with anger wrath does it

[sage falcon]

this is a known build right

[onyx adder]

Wintertide is much safer also

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/w3xPAHlkkG8
yeah I didn't invent it lol

[hexed mountain]

And totems dont need the reduced duration uniques before endgame where you get wilma

[sage falcon]

whatever happened to large ducks

[hexed mountain]

Yeah but KF has several times more single target

[spice pecan]

i wanted to try wintertide occultist because explode but ppl just said play ele

[sage falcon]

i dont think ive seen a video of his in like 2 years

[onyx adder]

Explode is overrated as shit if u dont scale it

[surreal musk]

occ explode is kinda bad cause it cant self chain

[tight plinth]

his videos still get decent views

[spice pecan]

see i get conflicting shit about profane bloom explodes

i asked a while ago if it's worth it if you're not scaling chaos damage and i effectively got called dumb for that

[onyx adder]

Its nice when theyre free

[hard cliff]

https://x.com/i/status/2023400373680287844

I dunno but he's alive

🦆 (@Big_Ducks)

Personally I like new Breach but I think the defense mechanic needs a "next wave" button that you can spam and the hives need to be scarab only. Oh and get rid of the walls, theyre just annoying visual clutter.

Tree also needs tuned down a bit, cant be popping out 3xT1 items.

X · Feb 16, 2026, 2:13 PM

[surreal musk]

the chaos cluster explode is much better

[onyx adder]

U dont click occ for em tho for leveling because occ is slower than ele

[final owl]

big ducks is still around doing his thing? idk. I started his lifestack inquis in keepers

[sage falcon]

it feels like profane bloom has been somewhat powercrept

[hard cliff]

how did that go?

[split maple]

Ele Just has best first lab ingame

[hexed mountain]

Yeah. Probably even with battlemage

[onyx adder]

The bigger problem with wintertide profane bloom is that wintertide does not hit and kills behind u so fulfilling the cursed condition is genuinely really hard

[final owl]

it was ok? but exactly as he said, the version i chose (wanted a bosser) clear was terrible and I got bored of keepers before i really got it's damage to proper bossing levels. Solid though i think?

[hard cliff]

all damage can ignite campaign

[spice pecan]

yeah that's a good point

what's like the next best non-ele ascendancy for it then

[hard cliff]

hell yeah

[spice pecan]

some templar or trickster shit?

[hexed mountain]

Cold damage nodes on occu i guess

[onyx adder]

Bigducks with the chatgpt ass take

[split maple]

Man shaper of flames bug troled my legstart so bad

[surreal musk]

occulist

[onyx adder]

Whats wrong with ele

[hard cliff]

what bug

[onyx adder]

Did a golem fk ur mom or somethin

[spice pecan]

i've played it like 3 or 4 times since 3.26

just kind of bored of it

[split maple]

Take phys as fire made you take more dmg

Was fixed like second week

[hard cliff]

damn lol

[spice pecan]

but i mean sure yeah

[elfin shale]

Fuck is there no way to check the stats of Shaper's Ire in-game

[split maple]

Spent ages wondering why it feels so squishy

[spice pecan]

i guess thats what happened

[elfin shale]

wait nvm found it

[onyx adder]

Im not sure what the second best wintertide ascendancy is because ele is SO far ahead of whatever that is

[elfin shale]

what

[shrewd rock]

Ew are people still getting baited by big ducks in 2026 🚮

[onyx adder]

It might genuinely be occ

But im still not recommending it

[spice pecan]

champion, got it

[hexed mountain]

Definitely occu

[mortal veldt]

Surely they are gonna buff bows and spells

[elfin shale]

oh thats the stats for a skill with 0 damage damn

[hexed mountain]

Cold 4 pointer and malediction and energy shield

[split maple]

If they buff bows to wand level

I will be happy with league

[spice pecan]

wands get shields

[elfin shale]

Is there any way to be able to deal only lightning damage

[mortal veldt]

What if

[hexed mountain]

When dagger league?

[elfin shale]

Without conversion

[onyx adder]

I expect some of the wand stuff to get tuned back

[mortal veldt]

Wands nerfed to the ground?

[split maple]

Kboc and kfusili gonna get nerfed for sure

Just the question is how much

[cobalt blade]

i honestly think its scion

[hexed mountain]

Not certain about fusillade

[elfin shale]

This is a cool fucking skill though

[cobalt blade]

but elementalist is still alot better

[mortal veldt]

Is kboc even that good?

[onyx adder]

Not because its SUPER op but because some of it is new and new skills and things adjacent to new skills always get balance pass attention at the end of their first league

[cobalt blade]

yes

[spice pecan]

kboc is disgusting with gear

[mortal veldt]

Like it's only good with the neck?

[split maple]

Ubers per second yea

[cobalt blade]

its good without choir

[split maple]

Even without lightres stack it's good

[cobalt blade]

ubers per second without choir

[split maple]

Just go intstack or generic mana stack

[cobalt blade]

str int stack imo

[onyx adder]

Kboc can probably be adjusted, as can the payoffs for several other stacking options

They can be worth doing without being as good as they are

[mortal veldt]

Buff bows plzzzzzzzz, it would be so cool if I could league start bows in poe 1

[cobalt blade]

specifically str int stack either steal righteous providence or go inquis steal sanctuary of thought

[surreal musk]

buff dex

[hexed mountain]

they should delete shaper's gloves. There i said it.

[cobalt blade]

i did the latter when playing it without choir

[surreal musk]

give a dex mastery that says dex increases energy shield%

[split maple]

I was doing ubers on mine on like foible level of gear and hh so without belt

[onyx adder]

They should delete the eva per int mastery, is what they should delete

That mastery is too much scaling

For 1 passive

[elfin shale]

OH NO

[cobalt blade]

still fine if they dont delete it from touch tbh

[final owl]

I don't think there was anything particularly baity about the build tbh.

[hexed mountain]

Also pbod needs another nerf

[onyx adder]

Touch is at least a solid amount of investment

The mastery is free

[cobalt blade]

yea

[onyx adder]

Pbod is fine as it is imo

[split maple]

Pbod needs a nerf maybe but it's sad it's gonna get nerfed due to heraldstacker

[prime hill]

pbod is fine lol

[onyx adder]

Its good at its job and really bad at not its job

[cobalt blade]

pbod doesnt need a nerf other spells just need a buff lmao

[split maple]

Like heralder is rly not good at pbod

[hexed mountain]

Too strong for a skill that is just drop and forget tbh

[split maple]

It's good at autobombing lol

[onyx adder]

Im fine with skills like that

[prime hill]

pbod only works when you can supplement it with aoe from other stuff

sole bossing/rare skill with dogshit clear

[hexed mountain]

Yeah but its super easy to fix the issue

[split maple]

Like kinda funny how folks call pbod a build that doesn't take a single brand cluster or wheel

[elfin shale]

Okay so this skill is basically unplayable, that fuckin sucks

[mortal veldt]

What if, they gut the spellslinger tornado interaction?

[elfin shale]

Like i didnt expect it to be good but its literally unplayable lmao

[ocean field]

hmmmm

[hexed mountain]

dodge

[surreal musk]

peak poe

[cobalt blade]

oh are you just learning they break if you run away from them

[elfin shale]

yeah

[cobalt blade]

[elfin shale]

No more lightning DoT for me

[cobalt blade]

i think unequipping it fixes that so weapon swap but yeah its kinda shit

[elfin shale]

You dont even have to go that far bruh

I can just outwalk that shit

also theyre permanent if you leave the instance lol

[cobalt blade]

time to make a full instance of shapers

[elfin shale]

Average T17 map

[cobalt blade]

(valdos map with portals to area only close when players die)

[shrewd rock]

I kid I'm just remembering his shitty ass vulconus bf/bb that baited my friend who was new to poe and was so shit it made him quit permanently LOL

[elfin shale]

or yknow just a campaign area

[cobalt blade]

campaign isnt real D:

[shrewd rock]

Havent looked at his builds. So idk if theyre ok now

[elfin shale]

Man that sucks, i wanted to play Lightning DoT after my leaguestart

[livid quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/btd6-jjk-gojo-punch-bloons-gif-12432038309374254600

[worldly bridge]

when does keepers end again

[hard cliff]

can we get free bird on the next clip?

Thank you

[worldly bridge]

im gonna try getting a brander templar to level 100

in hc

[onyx adder]

Brands is one of the easier builds to level safely with

[worldly bridge]

hc trade because i dont hate myself

[cobalt blade]

march 2

[spice pecan]

speaking of brands

[worldly bridge]

so 13 days

[spice pecan]

i wonder if storm brand could be made playable as poison on assassin

but wouldn't that just be worse than pbod

[onyx adder]

Probably, but storm brand damage is alrdy a lil delayed

[worldly bridge]

lots of stuff is outright worse than dissonance

[cobalt blade]

smol problem there is this line

[onyx adder]

The clear would be a lot better

[split maple]

Huh that's one hell of Mark's essay: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3504319/page/8#p26574081

[elfin shale]

Maybe ill do PBoD since its basically hit-based lightning dot <- unimagineable cope

[cobalt blade]

storm brand and ailments dont mix well :p

and its damage scaling is not great even with that line

[spice pecan]

and storm brand of indecision is just like not viable i figure

[worldly bridge]

holy hell mark

i cant read all dat

im a poe player

[cobalt blade]

hot damn

[onyx adder]

Indecision at least isnt worse than base stormbrand

[final owl]

I mean isn't that level of detail and engagement what people are hoping for when they submit bug reports?

[elfin shale]

huh. neat

[spice pecan]

yeah but that one is basically single target now right

[onyx adder]

Na it hops around

[elfin shale]

So PBoD has 0 clear by default right

[cobalt blade]

0.3 second hops its decent clear w/ proper brand clusters

[onyx adder]

The clear is surprisingly good, or at least it was when i played it prenerf

[spice pecan]

basically zero clear, or very little on pbod

[onyx adder]

Pbod clear is fake news its carried entirely by explosions

[spice pecan]

supposedly the storm brand of indecision nerf was an orbital nuke

[cobalt blade]

it went from .35 cast time to .75

and lost damage+damage effectiveness but it was mostly the cast time that made it feel bad

[onyx adder]

It was

[spice pecan]

it lost a ton of damage it looks like, and quality got halved

ouch, that skill must have been doing unethical shit

[cobalt blade]

nope

[onyx adder]

It went from like 2.5x as good as stormbrand

[cobalt blade]

it was worse than pbod and just a fun brand skill lmao

[onyx adder]

To as good as stormbrand

[worldly bridge]

ok so when i level with armageddon brand

do i keep playing it in maps?

or is swapping to pennance just better

[onyx adder]

Worse than affliction pbod does not mean it wasnt broken lul

[spice pecan]

isn't base storm brand like, really bad though

[onyx adder]

Theres a LOT of room between affliction pbod and remotely balanced

[onyx adder]

Yes

It was overnerfed

[spice pecan]

man

[onyx adder]

It was too strong before tho

Source: played it all of affliction

[cobalt blade]

im still of the opinion it wasnt broken just toning down the damage wouldve been fine leave the cast time

was more feels good to me with better options for raw damage

[onyx adder]

Because i got sick of farming for pbod in lab on day 1

Since anyone with a brain could see that pbod was gonna be ludicrously overtuned

[dry tree]

Hello WTD

[final owl]

GGGs penchant for triple tapping skills because they like a rolling meta seems to not leave the door open for reasonable nerfs a lot of the time. Just kill it and lets move on

[cobalt blade]

albiet i did it on eblade setup back then over raw scaling the gem

[spice pecan]

i feel like all the brands that aren't pbod are just in really weird spots

[onyx adder]

Raw damage not as relevant for brands as ur single target capability comes from extreme safety

Theyre balanced like that

[cobalt blade]

ye

[onyx adder]

It did damage like a normal skill with brand qol and 0.35 cast time

Needed a whack

Got a nuke

[livid quarry]

ppl would add longer clear time to their maps if their pob number was bigger

[onyx adder]

Hi sexy

[dry tree]

I'm surprised to see you back before the league

[onyx adder]

Armageddon and wintertide are largely leveling gems, arcanist brand is utility and has a few meme setups some of which are known and some of which havent hit streamer meta yet, and stormbrand is nearly unplayable

[onyx adder]

Im here to tell ppl to wait for patch notes

[spice pecan]

that's basically what my thoughts were

[onyx adder]

Cant u read

[spice pecan]

like arcanist brand/arma brand of recall sabo is cute i guess

[dry tree]

As a poe player I cannot, tragically, read

[onyx adder]

Yea arcanist brand sabo is one of those meme setups

[fossil mural]

Or tickle it and let it be op next patch too

[junior otter]

Hey wtd people were talking about bfbb earlier as if it was good even without awakened cascade but didn't you try that in trarthus with the new gem and it was not very good

[cobalt blade]

it do be kinda silly with the triggerbots

[spice pecan]

it's silly as in playing flame dash totems

ok maybe that's a little harsh

[cobalt blade]

one of the higher damage early setups for minimal gear honestly just feels questionable to play

[onyx adder]

I didnt love it

It was vaguely playable but not spectacular

I wouldnt recommend it particularly

[spice pecan]

well bfot and bb aren't super synergistic i assume

wouldn't you want regular bf

[junior otter]

What are fun bow skills in 2026

[fossil mural]

Ele hit

[cobalt blade]

bit with thrartus one is that its automated

[fossil mural]

[cobalt blade]

so you can just press bb and run around

[onyx adder]

Ur allowed to run both u know

[worldly bridge]

and so Dachi_OneHundred begins her journey

[onyx adder]

Oh no u dont

[spice pecan]

i mean yeah i guess

[onyx adder]

Every league we do this

Where u ask for something fun

And i name 5 skills

U say theyre all boring

[cobalt blade]

there are no fun bow skills

D:

[spice pecan]

i legitimately really liked bleed bow glad/slayer in pohx league

[onyx adder]

And before i know it the only skill not on the boring list is heavy strike

[final owl]

bow skills more like blow skills amirite

[onyx adder]

I played this game before nice try

[spice pecan]

its a bit pain once you hit red maps but you can play it from level 2, campaign and early maps are free

you use split arrow and puncture+snipe

[junior otter]

Give me one at least

That isn't ice shot or lightning arrow

[onyx adder]

Ele hit of spectrum best bow league starter good skill scales reasonably well has pretty colors

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[shrewd rock]

Scourge arrow

[onyx adder]

If u say its boring i will block u

[spice pecan]

the name is boring

[junior otter]

Ehit isn't boring

[onyx adder]

Good

Play that

[junior otter]

But it's a trans skill so maybe annoying to get as a starter

[onyx adder]

Or alternatively play wait for patch notes

[dry tree]

WTD on a scale of 1 to rerolling by day 3 how cope is it for me to start Conflagration

[onyx adder]

Thats hot shit

[onyx adder]

Idk like 700/10

[spice pecan]

WFPN

[dry tree]

It looks neat tho

[spice pecan]

but conflag is one of those new poe2 coded skills right

[thick goblet]

isnt it broken with aoe

like actually bugged

[pliant hamlet]

the fuck is conflagration

[spice pecan]

it's EA but it's a rain spell

[junior otter]

Isn't conflagration that extremely dog shit bow ignite skill

[dry tree]

It's just a fire dot bow skill with no scaling other than gem level

[spice pecan]

and you have to move close to the arrows to get them to blow up

[pliant hamlet]

That sounds really bad

[dry tree]

It's distinctly not ignite

[pliant hamlet]

Oh it's one of those skills, bruh idk how you make them functional but I don't want to do it lol

[karmic gust]

its just shitty version of blast rain

[dry tree]

of toxic rain*

[karmic gust]

its impossible to make it work as its downgrade from blast rain in every way possible

[spice pecan]

it's like the worst parts of blast rain and EA but you also have to move into melee range for the explosions

[pliant hamlet]

"roa but worse" is not my favorite idea of a skill

[onyx adder]

Well i havent messed with conflagration but ive seen and understand how it works

And the numbers are so bad that unless its actually genuinely bugged in a positive way its unplayable

[dry tree]

It's really a TR skill

[pliant hamlet]

idk how people play tr, i couldn't imagine playing a worse version

[karmic gust]

if it was TR skill it wouldnt scale from projectiles

and it does afaik

just shitty scaling

[dry tree]

It doesn't, the dot is unique

[karmic gust]

not talking about the dot

[elfin shale]

Conflag has a lot of interesting shit but it all falls apart

The absolute worst part of it is that increasing AoE increases projectile spread...but DOESNT INCREASE THE CHAINING EXPLOSION RANGE

[dry tree]

It's like 5% de hits

Ain't nobody playing it hit based without severe mental illness

[shrewd rock]

Man I do hope this league ends up looking interesting enough to play

[karmic gust]

well its multihit skill with random dot component on it

[elfin shale]

I mean if youre using it for the DoT its like
Fine
Its just that BRoT+Conflag just isnt much damage

[shrewd rock]

I do want to play some poe but last leagues shit was so lame i had to slip

[karmic gust]

idk if anyone is playing either

as both parts suck ass :d

[elfin shale]

Conflag DoT doesnt stack so its not as bad as youd expect to upkeep

[karmic gust]

but i def have more hope for the hit part than the dot part

[dry tree]

It's just a dot with okay base and it does like 3 hit

But hey the dot scales with proj dam neat

[karmic gust]

also idk why are they putting limits on these skills. if they didnt they would at least have niche

for bosses

but gotta put random limits on everything because thats for sure fun

[onyx adder]

I mean ur the one playing conflag, im not saying u have mental illness but im also not saying u dont

[spice pecan]

does the 20 stuck arrows thing get bypassed if you run it on ballista or something

[onyx adder]

U get me

[dry tree]

I mean there's like 8 different lines on that skill saying "please don't play it poison" so

[dry tree]

It looks cool

[onyx adder]

So does siphoning trap

[elfin shale]

No

[karmic gust]

its just like storm rain, funny global limits ruining the fun

except storm rain is actually somewhat usable skill sometimes

[elfin shale]

Conflag would be really good with huge AoE if the fucking chain radius increased

[onyx adder]

The difference is stormrain is good

If u hit cap

And conflag is uh

Conflag tier

[elfin shale]

Or if it exploded at the end of it's duration

Just give the skill ANYTHING

[dry tree]

I don't think the radius really matters basically at all it just lacks a good way to do much damage beyond a +5 bow

[spice pecan]

how bad is the whole mechanic of "you have to move close to the arrows for them to explode"

[karmic gust]

then you are just trying to make top down bow skill clear while you have all these bow skills that you can just fire in direction

and screen dies

[spice pecan]

or are you just not even playing for explosions with that skill

[karmic gust]

so like why

[dry tree]

The aoe is big enough and you fire enough arrows that it kinda just works

[elfin shale]

Vomit-inducing

[spice pecan]

like is the radius for exploding generous

[elfin shale]

No lol

Its like 1.5 meters and doesnt scale with AoE

[spice pecan]

fucking poo2 ass skill

[karmic gust]

you can just shoot it under your feet and it doesnt matter

no

[hard cliff]

is ice shot not good?

no mines just raw

[livid quarry]

what u guys think about ranged skills and mapping while collecting loot. i tried kb and sure i clear faster but i still need to go near the gold to collect

[spice pecan]

so.. melee bow?

[dry tree]

Ice shot is just lightning arrow but with worse clear patterns

[karmic gust]

yea, that is what the skill is

[onyx adder]

Raw ice shot is like special ed LA

[spice pecan]

🤮

[dry tree]

I mean ice shot damage is totally fine but circles are better than cones

[elfin shale]

Galvanic Arrow

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/struggle-bus-gif-21167752

[karmic gust]

only thing ice shot has is that if you arre still coping with phys to cold conversion on bows in 2026

[livid quarry]

i got a feeling for mapping melee and ranged dont have a big diff cuz u gotta get near gold anyway

[karmic gust]

then you look at ice shot and realize it still sucks

but it has some converrsion

and thats it

[onyx adder]

Even poe players can read 1 patch note per year lul

[dry tree]

Hatred in shambles

[karmic gust]

i had to argue with ppl making cold conv bows after hatred nerfs enough times where i kinda doubt that ;d

[spice pecan]

hatred has been in shambles since 3.25

[hard cliff]

speaking of is rain of arrows just bad post campaign?

[dry tree]

No

[karmic gust]

also idk whats up with my keyboard today but i cant type rip

[onyx adder]

Changes
3.25.0
No longer has causes you and nearby allies to deal more Cold Damage.
You and nearby allies now gain 30% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage at gem level 1 (previously 16%), scaling up to 39% at gem level 20 (previously 25%).

[spice pecan]

it's a rain skill though so the clear is like, kinda questionable imo

[onyx adder]

I hate this patch note ngl

It wasnt even good

GGG so scared of doubledip scaling they kill it anyway

[dry tree]

Rain skills just tend to feel kinda ass without 100000% ias and 10000000% proj speed imo

But like

Roa is a good skill

[dusty mesa]

rain skills are for ballistas

[dry tree]

I just don't want to play it

[dusty mesa]

so you dont have to manually shoot

[karmic gust]

roa is good skill ifyou cant get any projs or chains or forks or pierces

and want to clear with bow

which is i think kinda the point

[onyx adder]

Yes

We used to use it to clear with bleed bow

[spice pecan]

RoA of saturation on the mfa setup is still used for bleed bow

[onyx adder]

Because u werent allowed to click global pierce fork or chain

[tight plinth]

how much were unid megalo?

[onyx adder]

So split arrow was dogshit

[tight plinth]

anyone remember

[dusty mesa]

aren't you playstation

we have different market

[thick goblet]

hide gold on your filter and speed up your mapping by like 25%

[karmic gust]

yea hiding gold op

[dusty mesa]

my filters tinking on 2k gold had me want to pull my eyes out

[surreal musk]

gold should just automatically be gained like exp :x

[final owl]

gold just happens, best ignored

[karmic gust]

wish granted, now you also lose 10% gold on death

[dusty mesa]

people would actually be forced to make good builds

good for the game

[onyx adder]

I tend to play a lot of delayed damage skills due to the extra power needed in ssf

[final owl]

wish granted, but now items in PoE have durability and you lose 10% on death. Which costs gold to repair.

scales with item tier

[surreal musk]

"good buillds"
"TS Deadeye"

susge

[onyx adder]

Compared to playing spellslinger poison assassin cremation, which was my 3.27 build, i assure u running to collect gold on ur bow build feels better than sex

[dusty mesa]

smh I haven't played it since the nerf

[onyx adder]

Good build btw just terrible at things like fortress

[dusty mesa]

but also I can still make a decent TS build anyway so my point stands

[dusty mesa]

I rerolled to a wander so early bc of fortresses lmao

[onyx adder]

TS deadeye pretty cope with current year sniper mark

[final owl]

I did all of keepers on flicker. fortresses were specifically designed to make flicker players sad :I

[dry tree]

I've been playing a bunch of d2 lately so if my starter is slow and awful I'm kind of okay with it

[dusty mesa]

the amount of cost that just goes into getting attack speed is what makes me sad (Ive said this a lot)

[dusty mesa]

I almost got that

[onyx adder]

Oh thats why ur asking about conflag

[livid quarry]

well i can reliably turn 250 gold into 1c

[dry tree]

No I just like the skill despite it being kinda...

Well, awful

[surreal musk]

good builds don't not die , often the most profitable playstyle involves doing very difficult and rippy maps as soon as you can consistently clear them even if ur dying a lot

[dusty mesa]

Andy play some chaos dot this league

[dry tree]

I would consider it if mana existed

[dusty mesa]

Kroo has good build

[dry tree]

Soulrend of the 3000 base mana cost looks fun

[split maple]

no point showing gold when so much of it drops

[dusty mesa]

"good" build

it clears

[dry tree]

There's 800 chaos dot setups that clear

They just plateau hard

[onyx adder]

I played soulrend of the spiral miner in i think a settlers event

[dry tree]

It's a bummer

[karmic gust]

if you wanna play chaos dot might as wlel just play random shit on assassin instead

[dusty mesa]

they all plateau hard

[onyx adder]

The mana was 💀

[dusty mesa]

I'm coping on more chaos dot buffs

[dry tree]

Soulrend of spiral does indeed gobble mana it's very upsetting

[dusty mesa]

Im not gonna do spiral either probably

[dry tree]

The other issue is witch recovery

[karmic gust]

the chaos dot buff is relying on certain foulborn unique and them still being unplayable before that :d

[onyx adder]

Also the return shotgun bit was kinda fake news it was dogwater against anything that moved and also dogwater on mines that have a throw spread

[dusty mesa]

I kinda feel like the poison wander won't stay

[onyx adder]

I wouldnt recommend

[dusty mesa]

so Im trying to see what I want to do

[surreal musk]

foulborn dot multi rathpith - pay 120d to do slightly less dogshit but still dogshit dps

[dusty mesa]

and I miss occy pops

[dusty mesa]

I also refuse to play mines because I hate them

[onyx adder]

Just play soemthing else and put on an oblit for mapping

[dry tree]

Obliteration wands aren't going anywhere

[onyx adder]

Its better than playing slow ass occ

And having to curse things

[dry tree]

I'd play fuckin... Wintertide before I played blight of snoozing

[onyx adder]

The curse requirement is genuinely so bad it stops u from chaining and makes clearing awkward

[karmic gust]

dont mines just play like self cast nowadays anyway