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[prime hill]

yes

I took that node when I wasnt using cinder

and I was testing a bit with other flasks

[cobalt blade]

i see

[prime hill]

I was using explode for map clear for most of the time tbh

since I didnt go explode chest

[cobalt blade]

wait you also have lightning leech on your watchers eye

[prime hill]

yep that was a very late addition

LOL

[cobalt blade]

doubly judging you for that flask suffix

[prime hill]

real

next time I get on for some ubers ill just take the point off

• the flask ig

but yeah other than some minor issues I had (lol mana casting)

[cobalt blade]

just like get cb/bleed immune or reflect immune on it atleast

[prime hill]

I actually enjoyed the build

[cobalt blade]

it do look okay yea

[prime hill]

yeah didnt care about cb immunity since I already have it from jewel

could have just looked for a 4 mod jewel instead tho ig

[cobalt blade]

Ye but lets you replace that with a unique one or smth

[crisp obsidian]

just scale better lol

[cobalt blade]

fit in a bound :p

[crisp obsidian]

just fix mana issues by scaling lol

[prime hill]

• reflect immunity was just a flask swap anyway

[whole bluff]

I realised yesterday I can do reflect immune despite ~120% grace of the goddess and 30% more elemental dmg helm, due to 71% lucky suppress + 75% spell block

But it's a poison build

[cobalt blade]

How low is your damage that you can run reflect

Also you cant block reflect

[whole bluff]

Afaik it keeps all tags?

[cobalt blade]

well idt you can block it atleast might be wrong there

[whole bluff]

Downside of lioneyes glare used to be considered that rangers with it annihilated their reflect mitigation

[prime hill]

true wolololo

[crisp obsidian]

you can

[whole bluff]

Back when HC was popular, arrow dancing was OP, and reflect was everywhere at random

[prime hill]

yeah I was just mixing a lot of stuff there because I didn't like most pbod builds people put up lol

[cobalt blade]

hmm okay fair enough then

[prime hill]

worst case was manni's build

like it's perfect in ssf

but why would you do it in trade

[whole bluff]

I have 5% instant leech and mitigate reflect by 75%, 75%, and a further 30% 92% of the time

[leaden quiver]

ele hit

ripge

[cobalt blade]

dont peopele ring swap it

[leaden quiver]

sounds mega anal

[cobalt blade]

I honestly dont think ive had a single build that lives reflect without full immunity

[brazen vector]

So sounds really good?

[cobalt blade]

even just completely unscaled phys from somewhere killing it

[leaden quiver]

choco puppy

[ornate patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-cat-what-sus-suspicious-gif-9855894845569274120

[leaden quiver]

wtf gukis

[soft perch]

what are u searching

[crisp obsidian]

why

[soft perch]

oh just ele hit

[leaden quiver]

ele hit hateful accuser

[soft perch]

these builds hurt me

[leaden quiver]

swapping a ring to cast a curse to swap back to another ring?

[soft perch]

where block cap

[crisp obsidian]

why would you do that

wtf

[leaden quiver]

no block cap

no secrets of suffering

[leaden quiver]

i am fucking gonna blow up

in 5 seconds

read two messages

💀

dead ass jiji

[crisp obsidian]

oh

[soft perch]

they all have the interrogation

[crisp obsidian]

I thought you meant ele hit penance mark

sounds mega anal

I am sowwy

[cobalt blade]

yeah i thought people ring swapped it for st for shit

[crisp obsidian]

yeah don't ring swap lmao

[cobalt blade]

Maybe not for that specific build tho

[crisp obsidian]

you need penance mark for single target

on that build

[cobalt blade]

i know like rf does it on chief

[opal ingot]

wait, really? lol

[cobalt blade]

the copium 1% explode

[ornate patrol]

Wtf uly

[normal hedge]

Wtf #1 KB Hater

[onyx adder]

I might also play elehit next league if it doesnt get nerfed

I havent done it in a while

And the aoe looks sweet now

[ornate patrol]

Wtf chungus

[normal hedge]

are you going to be #1 ele hit hater in 3.28?

[crisp obsidian]

#1 attack hater right here

[normal hedge]

sorry its easier to be a spell hater

[crisp obsidian]

ofc it's easier to hate on the weak

but I am different

I rather hate on the strong

[loud geyser]

sad that grafts are going away

[soft perch]

It won’t

[loud geyser]

hope they return someday improved

[opal ingot]

chad

[loud geyser]

in another breach league perhaps

[leaden quiver]

james do you have a pob for the finished bolid

[crisp obsidian]

https://pobb.in/JFKHTucPv5cJ

[soft perch]

no block cap

ewww

right next to vc as well

[crisp obsidian]

yeah sorry I am not an abuser

((this is not my build xdd))

[soft perch]

i know its dbs build

brother needs to pob less and play the game more so he clicks block

🥀

[crisp obsidian]

block didn't feel necessary

[cobalt blade]

big fan of the pob dps inflate inc mana burn tincture

[soft perch]

endless hunger is defo worse than impact/headsman

endless hunger sucks

[crisp obsidian]

yeah

we discussed that

[cobalt blade]

endless hunger is a boss swap if you dont have another source of stun immune otherwise bad imo

[soft perch]

also i think the tree is a bit suboptimal especially in the duelist area

[crisp obsidian]

hey it did all content -valdos :')

[onyx adder]

Endless hunger doesnt suck but its the cut here obviously

[leaden quiver]

Very true

[crisp obsidian]

it's not mana burn tho

[cobalt blade]

increased mana burn rate

[crisp obsidian]

it's still not mana burn

[cobalt blade]

yes it applies it to your life burn

[crisp obsidian]

I know

but it's not mana burn

😎

[cobalt blade]

its still a pob dps bait lol

[soft perch]

its not

bloodsoaked blade slayer has no issue with tinctures

[cobalt blade]

I should ig clarify if you arent killing the boss within that whole tincture period

if you are its good

[crisp obsidian]

how is it fake dps

[cobalt blade]

lower uptime

[soft perch]

?

do u know what bloodsoaked blade does

[cobalt blade]

you reach the point you need to turn it off since your mana burn stacks faster

[normal hedge]

nah its fine for bosses since with that dps you kill t17s in 2 seconds

[leaden quiver]

isnt Headsman a skip because of Southbound + Penance Mark?

[soft perch]

bloodsoaked blade

[normal hedge]

and you deffo sustain more way more than 5s

[cobalt blade]

yes your life leech is not infinite*

[soft perch]

ok sure yea but u can still just click impact or even overwhelm

[soft perch]

uhhh

[crisp obsidian]

Xd

[cobalt blade]

if your killing it within the tincture period tho ye

[normal hedge]

anyway slayer bad, surfcaster way better

[leaden quiver]

impact poggers

[fossil mural]

World first impact click

[soft perch]

??? XD

[cobalt blade]

dont the cyclone people take it

[soft perch]

impact is good?

[fossil mural]

"The cyclone people"

[fickle glen]

Says you! My slayer be SLAYING

[soft perch]

i think i would rather make the effort to path like this

[cobalt blade]

basically their own group

[fossil mural]

After poe2

Something about clicking life

Doesnt sit right with me

[leaden quiver]

+0.4 range

15% more damage

50% inc accu

50% inc aoe while clearing

"yeah guys im not clicking that"

???

[ornate patrol]

Whatever has huge playrate and i think is cringe

[fossil mural]

Range is useless for like 99% of builds

Accuracy is meh

[leaden quiver]

for strike builds?

[fossil mural]

They splash

Or extra targets

[normal hedge]

but you just played the most common phrecia build

[fickle glen]

I have joined team cyclone of tumul

[fossil mural]

Or both

[normal hedge]

lol

[leaden quiver]

yeah and the strike range affects both

[fossil mural]

None of which works with range strike

[cobalt blade]

To be fair its competing with mandatory overleech really good masterful form and bane of legends/headsman/crit

[leaden quiver]

I wish I had this ruetoo video to post here

about ancestral call + strike range

[pulsar dune]

Cull doesn't bypass southbound

[cobalt blade]

Its better than overwhelm imo though but worse than headsman

[leaden quiver]

it doesn't? thats cool then

[crisp obsidian]

headsman still a skip

[fossil mural]

Ruetoo

[crisp obsidian]

on that build

[fossil mural]

The guy who made a build so bad

Fungooner left

Day 2

[soft perch]

https://pobb.in/AtFWZsKRBbVc but ye i think this tree is better imo

can get block shield

[normal hedge]

fub literally said the build was good and he quit because of trump walls

[soft perch]

i think pathing for the last frenzy is bait

[opal ingot]

thats the slayer i now

[leaden quiver]

this

[soft perch]

compared to just clicking block

[leaden quiver]

ruetoo is a weird fuck creep but he knows mechanics

[fossil mural]

Kinda crazy seeing actual armour eva hybrids

[soft perch]

i think the surfcaster build was bad

[leaden quiver]

and +strike range makes strike skills wifi connect to enemies

why tides of time over mageblood

[soft perch]

ty for reminding me to click iron reflexes

[soft perch]

budget

[cobalt blade]

siones+strike range is bis

[leaden quiver]

you dont have block

dont click iron reflexes

[cobalt blade]

love full screen targetting

[soft perch]

?

[fossil mural]

You are using extra targets hit. You dont give a flying fuck about strike range

[leaden quiver]

no avoidance feels ass against ranged enemies like miscreations

when theyre outside of your flesh and stone range

from practice

[soft perch]

theres block

block nodes are clicked

and i didnt change the shield to have a block prefix

[leaden quiver]

AHH

[fickle glen]

You have a champ playstyle but chose the slayer ascendancy?

[leaden quiver]

62% block

u clicked it

just do mb + svalinn

we aint poor in here

[soft perch]

i mean its mostly a leaguestart setup

[leaden quiver]

truer

[fickle glen]

That defiance banner could have given you all the spell suppression

[crisp obsidian]

tho

build is dead

[leaden quiver]

personally

I like this wheel

[crisp obsidian]

no more +1 strike grafts

[leaden quiver]

with the mastery

[crisp obsidian]

so the build is deadge

[soft perch]

its still fine

[leaden quiver]

just wait for next league

surely something like that is coming

[crisp obsidian]

if they give attacks +strikes

[leaden quiver]

you have awakened ancestral call though

which is +3

[crisp obsidian]

and they don't give spells like +echos

[soft perch]

i dont know why db uses ashes + ralakesh

[crisp obsidian]

I am gonna be pissed

[leaden quiver]

and +1 from the tree

[soft perch]

i dont think either are necessary

and yoke is probs better than ashes

[crisp obsidian]

imagine if spell builds had access to +echo without spell echo

[soft perch]

ig its like the same

[crisp obsidian]

that would be insane

[cobalt blade]

this is infinitely stronger than +1 strike unless they add a new echo effect to spells that cant inherently multihit

[leaden quiver]

yoke is about the same

[crisp obsidian]

yes

[leaden quiver]

dragonfang is also similar

just pick your poison at that point

[fossil mural]

For spells thats just a straight up multiplier to damage, while thats not true for most attacks?

[crisp obsidian]

yes

[leaden quiver]

ashes scales molten shell too though

for higher uptime

[karmic gust]

sigil and ele hit and molten shell qual

yoke sucks

[cobalt blade]

yeah and you still want your regular strike to hit things for mapping its still 1/x% of your total hits depending on how many additional strikes you have

[fossil mural]

Altho whoever said "spell echo is a self stun in disguise"

So true

[karmic gust]

would help with the reses a bit at least but thats it

[fossil mural]

No you dont want your regukar srike to hit

Bruh

[cobalt blade]

I want it to exist but theyll never print it

[fossil mural]

You walk up to enemies

[crisp obsidian]

yeah I think echo should not make you cast it again

[fossil mural]

On melee builds?

[crisp obsidian]

so if you echo something it just repeats by itself

that would be cool

[cobalt blade]

no i make my melee target things far away

[crisp obsidian]

why not

you can hit monsters from 1 screen away

so why not

[fossil mural]

Yes, with extra targets

[crisp obsidian]

without extra targets too

[cobalt blade]

also yknow if your running splash on smth like mamba its also more overlaps to have enough strike range your regular melee hit does something

[crisp obsidian]

strike range is super nice QoL

[karmic gust]

why would you aim with your strike

when clearing

thats stupid

when siones exist

[crisp obsidian]

ya'

[karmic gust]

strike range is useless stat

[crisp obsidian]

well

[fossil mural]

Thank you

[leaden quiver]

clones from AC are also affected by strike range

[crisp obsidian]

siones is the usper nice QoL

[leaden quiver]

arent they

[fickle glen]

It works for cyclone

[fossil mural]

Melee strike range isnt the same as extra targeting range

[karmic gust]

not in any meaningful way

[crisp obsidian]

but siones is strike range just different wording no?

[karmic gust]

it doesnt increase the clone targetting distance

[cobalt blade]

only from siones

[karmic gust]

at all

[karmic gust]

no targetting distance for clones and strike range are different stats

[fickle glen]

Fatter cyclone is better

[karmic gust]

they dont rly affect eachother

[fossil mural]

It makes the strike itself have bigger area, but wtf is the point of it if it auto connects

[cobalt blade]

overlap and letting you not miss out on a whole attack

which again ill refer to mamba pretty nice dps up vs valdo feared to have your regular strike do smth

[karmic gust]

how are you missing when the clones autotarget whole screen around you

[fickle glen]

Wild strike is a good example

[cobalt blade]

I fuckin know nothing about wild strike

[cobalt blade]

theyll target 2 enemies you hit the 3rd ?

[fickle glen]

It has a bad range but activates from further away the more strike range you got

[cobalt blade]

(assuming +2 strikes)

idk strike range to me feels very noticeable on skills that arent ls and smite

[leaden quiver]

agreedge

anything that has on hit components not on attack components

you can definitely feel a diff if you spend 4 points on +0.7 strike range

[cobalt blade]

this is irrelevant

[leaden quiver]

in the sword wheel

[cobalt blade]

clones apply your on hits

[fossil mural]

So its noticable in fights against 3+ enemies that all have billions of ehp and if you refuse to use the support

[karmic gust]

it makes no difference for mamba and ele hit thats complete placebo

[cobalt blade]

i mean you notice it in mapping harvest expe as well imo

[fossil mural]

Mamba prolifs and ele hit just has aoe yea

[crisp obsidian]

ok I worded that badly, I didn't mean in the literal sense but more like it allows you to deal damage from further away

[cobalt blade]

hit based mamba

fuck poison

[fossil mural]

And hit based mamba you just get the +3 support

[karmic gust]

well if you rely on melee splash for clear then sure

[cobalt blade]

also wdym refuse to use the support lmao

[cobalt blade]

its st too

[karmic gust]

it doesnt

[crisp obsidian]

o

[karmic gust]

only if you hit with the initial melee hit

[cobalt blade]

you hit 3 targets splash can deal damage to all 3 from each hit

[karmic gust]

then the extra strikes can extend further from that

but the actual targetting range for extra strikes wont change

[crisp obsidian]

huhh

my brain is not registering this

[fossil mural]

It also increased the minimal range at which you need to stand from enemies

Which I can imagine could be annoying

[karmic gust]

extra strikes either target from the enemy you hit with strike or from yourself when you hit nothing

so all you are extending is the enemy you hit yourself range

with the main strike

[leaden quiver]

and this improves the build u linked because it doesnt have siones

[karmic gust]

but the clones will only target at their own targetting distance always

because its different stat

[fossil mural]

Wasnt that ele hit

Build

[leaden quiver]

yeah

[fossil mural]

Lmao

Yea strike range

For ele hit

Helps so much

[karmic gust]

even there you dont ever want to aim with main strike ever

[fossil mural]

Okay

[crisp obsidian]

it works like this no?

[karmic gust]

and it has ac qual instead, and siones after ashes corrupt

[leaden quiver]

you're an absolutely unpleasant person to talk to btw

feels like talking to a 13tween

[fickle glen]

Such legendary writing skills

[leaden quiver]

chemist type beat

[karmic gust]

siones extends clones targetting range so sure if thats clone range line

[crisp obsidian]

ye the second part would be clone

the second arrow

[leaden quiver]

yeah, and thats sione which is targetting range, and not melee strike range, deathbeam explained here how it works

clones extend from your location or the location of the enemy you hit

strike range helps with the latter

[fickle glen]

Don’t clones miss too if they have bad strike range?

[leaden quiver]

The targeting range is unrelated to weapon range or melee strike range.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Ancestral_Call_Support

[crisp obsidian]

ok show me your paint writing

go ahead

[karmic gust]

they cant miss?

[fossil mural]

No

[karmic gust]

either they target something or not

[leaden quiver]

When an additional nearby enemy is targeted, the strike against them can also hit other enemies (typically behind the target), depending on the skill's weapon range. While strike range is normally small, it can be raised through modifiers, which some skills may have by default (e.g.

[cobalt blade]

they always attack ontop of the mob

[fickle glen]

Pretty sure they miss all the time especially when the enemy is faster than their strike

[fossil mural]

Bro its ele hit

You have 4m explosions

From multiple enemies

[soft perch]

ty for reminding me to disable sigil of power

[fossil mural]

Imagine posting some nonsense from wiki

[leaden quiver]

real it was inflating the ehp quite a bit lol

[fickle glen]

I play marauder and I see it happen all the time due to slow attack, the monster just walks past my clone lol

[cobalt blade]

they do not

they miss i guess if you dont have accuracy

[leaden quiver]

im pasting stuff for jiji

not talking to you tsk tsk

[cobalt blade]

but they dont miss because the mob ran out of the visual thats client side only basically

[fossil mural]

Said the alleged grown up

[crisp obsidian]

Xd

[karmic gust]

its lvl 1 sigil it should be basially always active when it matters

[fossil mural]

Also how slow are your attacks

Do you stack red attack speed

[leaden quiver]

@karmic gust yeah I just realised I was maybe transponding my vigilant strike/non-poison mamba on that

[soft perch]

it takes 4 seconds after proccing it

[leaden quiver]

forgot you have skitterbots to have actual aoe on the attacks

[soft perch]

its the most useless skill in the game

[leaden quiver]

ur right

[fickle glen]

I am using that Erqi hammer

[sonic jolt]

Sry.. had to get out of here

[fickle glen]

Mahori erqi or something

[leaden quiver]

and its stationary

[sonic jolt]

But heh, I should learn about trading in a more safer area/server after all

[ornate patrol]

Yes but its only 7% and its a shit build anyways

[fossil mural]

It gives flat 😩

[soft perch]

build very playable but block is right there and it seems wrong to not take it

[karmic gust]

you start with 1 stage, then go to 2 stage right away so it is 2 seconds

[leaden quiver]

wrong msg

[karmic gust]

because then you need to wait 2 seconds for every next 2 stages

[sonic jolt]

I also got the best shot of my blacky.. should keep it as my pfp lol

[fickle glen]

Block is great

[karmic gust]

ah oops, thanks discord

but yes

its 2 seconds if you spend mana fast enough

[soft perch]

ok fair enough that is a lot better

[fossil mural]

Nice lighting on that mugshot

[cobalt blade]

no its minimum 1 sec per stage

[leaden quiver]

yeah but it starts at 1

[karmic gust]

this was supposed to be cheapest possible base setup getting block in looked more expensive

[fossil mural]

And there is no delay between 1 and 2

[soft perch]

my point was u drop the frenzy charge at shadow

and then just click the block nodes instad

[cobalt blade]

does it not have 5 stages or am i too tired to remember what ti has

[karmic gust]

dont you need better shield for that also

[leaden quiver]

4

[karmic gust]

but yea sounds fine i guess

[soft perch]

block prefix ye

[cobalt blade]

Aah

[leaden quiver]

no block prefix gets you to 62%

[sonic jolt]

Thank you sir! When I did a photo shot so perfect, means he deserve it so much

[karmic gust]

eventually i wanted to put svalinn on that anyway

[leaden quiver]

and 12% spell

[fossil mural]

I hope paradoxica costs 1c again

[soft perch]

btw isnt overwhelm + pen + attack speed paradoxica pretty underrated here

lots of enemies = lots of crit multi

paradoxica has shit base crit even with crit affix

[fossil mural]

He looks very serious. Id make him a prime minister or somethibg

[crisp obsidian]

https://pobb.in/qjKooqK9JkYi this is the block version!

[soft perch]

i guess its nott hat much better than impact

[fickle glen]

Anyone know if there is a unique jewel that increases ailment duration? Or bleed to be precise?

[sonic jolt]

Well, I figured its gonna be around the maraketh.. but the hourglass feels off, since there is no trial of sekema.. many thinks its bad anyway XD

[soft perch]

banners lul

noty

[celest bone]

its crazy im playing Diablo 2 and it has seamless switching between mouse and controller and neither poe has them makes me laugh a bit

[fossil mural]

Dont you brittle, so its like whatever

[karmic gust]

it actually is because the impact damage bonus doesnt rly apply

[cobalt blade]

would depend on math for harvest enchanted crit i think but id guess attack speeds a bit better?

[fickle glen]

Bruh banners are the best

[karmic gust]

for most of your damage

[sonic jolt]

Right.. Def the prime minister of feline kind lol

[karmic gust]

so sounds fin i guess

[soft perch]

true

[karmic gust]

slayer is kinda super awkward but other ascendancies also kinda suck so yea

as headsman doesnt work impact doesnt rly work :d

[cobalt blade]

slayer needs that 5th ascendancy node buff

[fickle glen]

I am trying to go gladiator bleed

[soft perch]

impact is incredible before penance mark

and carries u pretty hard tho

[leaden quiver]

Does headsman not work with southbound some guy here said it worked

When I said no

[fossil mural]

Aoe on impact still makes shotguns more reliable, ghosts can move away or spawns farther apart

[cobalt blade]

ye cant cull with southbound

[karmic gust]

it doesnt work

[soft perch]

aoe is only when u kill

[crisp obsidian]

wouldn't it suck if it worked

cause you would be killing the penance mark enemies

or are they 1hp

[cobalt blade]

Yup

[crisp obsidian]

so they are full hp all the time

[cobalt blade]

They have health apparently

so they would reacha cull range

[neat sail]

Damn laptop crashed

[cobalt blade]

anyway ima sleep o/

[leaden quiver]

Wonder what the scarabs will be for breaches

[crisp obsidian]

+1 breach

[soft perch]

guaranteed fortress

more wombgift chance

[crisp obsidian]

no wombgift drops more loot

or w/e the tree thingies are

[celest bone]

this new map is fun

[soft perch]

wombgifts

[crisp obsidian]

#other-games

[celest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-4chan-reddit-gif-12469709983918782970

[fossil mural]

Last I checked almost all map bosses are either next to last pack of mobs or spawn a pack in their room

[crisp obsidian]

incorrect

[leaden quiver]

T17 bosses

[soft perch]

no

[fossil mural]

Wdym no

[soft perch]

plenty of isolated bosses

[leaden quiver]

T17 bosses

Cata

[fossil mural]

For t17 bosses you probably have a build going already

Where its not a big deal

[fossil mural]

The only ones I remember are special map bosses

The rest have mobs or near mobs

[soft perch]

if u have hateful accuser ur probs already looking at t17s dude

[fossil mural]

There is a few cutscene bosses ig

[fossil mural]

Really? Isnt it like common and cheap

[soft perch]

its ritual only

and costs a bit early on cuz of rf

[fossil mural]

Day 4 was 20c already in keepers. But before that expensive. Yea ig if you are sweating leg start

Its not much help

So we back to

Lol clicking impact

[crisp obsidian]

if you ain't doing t17's by day4 then nothing matters anyways

you can build whatever

and play whatever

[leaden quiver]

Truer

[ocean field]

what happens when u recomb a base with shaper and crusader and another base with just shaper??

[whole bluff]

I get that I'm sorta proof you can do really stupid decisions over and over with builds and still get there. But it still feels unfun when a lot of options cannot even be justified from any angle even if you actually really try.

[split maple]

if base with only shaper is picked all crusader mods possibly present will be treated as nnn so cannot appear on result

if base with shaper and crusader is picked nothing much happens, its just basic case

[ocean field]

but shaper pick is guarenteed right

I want the shaper to be retained

[split maple]

if both inputs have shaper influence result will for sure have it

[soft perch]

I think it’s important for your decisions to matter

[split maple]

and yea shaper mods can appear on result then

[soft perch]

Also t17s are more about the defensive shell

[whole bluff]

If you look at non-shotgunning or ramping spells, your decisions kinda don't cuz it's all bloat atm

[soft perch]

That’s also cuz selfcast is god awful

[whole bluff]

Ye

[past mantle]

Actual cast speed on tree one day.

[leaden quiver]

freezing pulse buffs

trust

lmao

[normal hedge]

it actually got nerfed

lol

[whole bluff]

If infusions a la poe2 were: not mandatory, more accessible outside stormweaver, exchangeable with power charges, cooler, I had actually wished for something somewhat like that for poe1. More like Mirage Casters / Chromie Echoes (from heroes of the storm), or stuff like that in the form of seals or ground runes that could pop etc I suppose, but yeah

[leaden quiver]

i dont think its a numbers game too tbh

new mechanics need to be introduced for some skills to be usable in any way

[soft perch]

Selfcast is a numbers game and a bunch of other downsides

Mines basically solve every selfcast issue

Except sustain

And offer more damage

[whole bluff]

One of the worst skills atm, due to it's archetype and power creep, and last 2 patch notes are nerfs

[past mantle]

Freezing Pulse got a buff not long ago, it's just not on the skill gem.

[whole bluff]

What did they do to it?

[whole bluff]

Neat

[onyx adder]

ya

[soft perch]

Idk how ggg buffs selfcast but it sorely needs it

[whole bluff]

Shame the archetype is just so ultra dead it probably makes no difference at all

[onyx adder]

i had like 15 people telling me today that spells are bad

[past mantle]

Actual cast speed sources.

[prime hill]

we're been asking for ages at this point

[onyx adder]

spells arent bad

selfcast is bad

[whole bluff]

Fair

[prime hill]

they just don't wanna buff selfcast ever

in both games

[spice pecan]

when can we get a cold projectile that works with return besides ice spear tho

[soft perch]

On the contrary I think spells are kinda bad and mines are pretty overpowered

[crisp obsidian]

mines and traps don't count as spells

selfcasting is spells

triggers are not spells

triggers are triggers

[prime hill]

I love putting every spell into mines or triggers

[onyx adder]

eh if mines were the problem then wand/bow miner would be a lot more popular than it is

[onyx adder]

brother if u just said u were talking about selfcast i would have agreed with u and we could move on lmao

spells are spells

[spice pecan]

ps mines was very good and they kinda killed that

[onyx adder]

what matters is the delivery mechanism which was my entire point

[crisp obsidian]

if we are talking about mana issues etc

[soft perch]

Well u lose attack leech for wand/bow mining and attack speed as a vector which is plentiful

[whole bluff]

I like trigger builds the very most I guess. But sometimes you just look at your energy blade and battlemage and spellblade support, and look at your dmg effect, then pick an attack, these days

[crisp obsidian]

it should be pretty obvious

[past mantle]

Cast speed is so limited and once it was available with Coiling Whisper it was worth all the downsides of mana and whatever else.

[soft perch]

U don’t really lose anything on mines

[crisp obsidian]

that it is selfcast

[past mantle]

Imagine if you could actually invest into it.

[soft perch]

Cuz spell leech is kind of a meme lowkey

[dark sequoia]

I want to play a build that uses replica maloney's mechanism without destroying my damage but I'm not sure how.

I'm thinking some chaos DoT build with mirage archer+arrownova+caustic arrow in the quiver.

[soft perch]

@onyx adder gonna tap into fine cuisine and get a kfc today

[onyx adder]

ur fucking gross

holy

[soft perch]

Mad?

[onyx adder]

just sad for ur tastebuds

[spice pecan]

i could get kfc later today

[crisp obsidian]

agreed

kfc is gross

[whole bluff]

KFC is nice now and then

[soft perch]

The Australian mind cannot comprehend European food regulations making otherwise inedible food edible

[prime hill]

I love how my one of few enjoyable 'spell' build was a fucking brand supplied with screenwide aoe clear with heralds and explosions while only using said spell for bosses/rares

[spice pecan]

kfc is one of the top christmas traditions in japan afaik

like you have to order it a year ahead of time

[prime hill]

I love selfcast balance

[onyx adder]

i do concede that if i was living in the uk id probably eat kfc

because the alternative is uk food

every time im in london anything that isnt fine dining is misery

[spice pecan]

hey at least in the uk you might find real curry

[whole bluff]

I don't really like KFC dips, but the hot wings are great

[onyx adder]

the indian food is overrated and everything else is inedible

[soft perch]

Insanely wrong take

[onyx adder]

have u seen what they call chinese food in london holy

[soft perch]

London has such insane food variety

[past mantle]

Literally just go to any Indian place.

[crisp obsidian]

fish and chips!

[spice pecan]

where i'm at in the US we have insanely good asian food, thai and indian especially

[soft perch]

Ok but British Chinese food is awful

[prime hill]

speaking bout general food

[soft perch]

Cuz it’s made for gammons

[past mantle]

You're gonna get on this wave immediately after going on about having no taste buds?

Get real.

[prime hill]

man once I find an actual turkish place that isn't just kebabs

[leaden quiver]

thats the guy that abducted zelda

[prime hill]

they are insane

[whole bluff]

I didn't mind UK food. But I'm no connoisseur. I do think everything tastes better in France, though.

[onyx adder]

food in france legit

[split maple]

frenchies have some good bread and cheeses

[onyx adder]

food in germany 0 variety but legit

[brazen vector]

I enjoy our local Indian restaurant

[split maple]

other food idk didnt feel that legit

[dark sequoia]

KFC in Japan is actually pretty good in my experience

[onyx adder]

food in eastern europe also 0 variety but legit and also theres like 10 countries and they all have the same food why

[crisp obsidian]

läskisoosi is the best cuisine ever

[prime hill]

german food is pretty legit yes

[whole bluff]

Andouilette is not legit. But normal French food is

In my limited experience

[onyx adder]

food in asia 15/10 would eat off the floor in asia before enjoying myself in london

[past mantle]

Look up the USSR and when it ended, gonna blow your mind.

[soft perch]

It’s impossible to hate on food in London unless ur incapable of internet access

[onyx adder]

plz

[prime hill]

I actually don't enjoy asian food that much lol

[soft perch]

Or are an idiot

[past mantle]

16% cast speed for 4 points.
14% cast speed for 3 points.
18% cast speed for 3 points.
It's such a scam. 💤

[whole bluff]

But they prolly got their status by propaganda in Europe's feudal ages, and now have a name to live up to

[prime hill]

but that's just my personal taste

[soft perch]

Which is likely for wtd

[onyx adder]

london food is trash

[crisp obsidian]

cast speed is scam cause of mana issues anyways

lul

[whole bluff]

So I'd assume French people tryhard food

[soft perch]

London food is insanely multicultural ur having a skill issue with using google

[onyx adder]

every time i go im like surely my colleagues who have expense accounts and live in london can find decent food

all trash

[past mantle]

Refer to what I said about coiling whispers and it being accessible being worth dealing with mana.

[prime hill]

blood mage in poe 1 when

[soft perch]

I hope ggg stops acting like mana regen access is a bad thing

[split maple]

i can believe there are good multicultural cooks in london, issue is they have to cook for brits and tourists which are 2 categories of folks who i rly dont trust to like good food

[soft perch]

When mana builds exist and just cheese it with leech

[split maple]

market shapes supply fuck it

[leaden quiver]

do they cheese it with leech

[past mantle]

Another reason to hate the market: People with no taste buds. (Read: WTD)

[brazen vector]

Fuck the food?

[leaden quiver]

attack builds do, but spells?

[split maple]

sure with eldritch battery

[soft perch]

Yea

They use triggers

[whole bluff]

I think he meant the market

[past mantle]

You can just trigger with archmage now.

[leaden quiver]

hmmige

[whole bluff]

Which I can get behind, UK people can be hot

[soft perch]

Look at every Connor build ever

[leaden quiver]

but thats connor

dumb builds

[soft perch]

Except incinerate of venting which has zero mana cost

Ye I’m saying mfa mjolner and coc all cheese mana through attack leech

[leaden quiver]

with triggers yeah, i spose, I thought you meant actual spells

[onyx adder]

marco pierre white restaurant in chelsea football club was possibly the shittiest dining experience of my adult life

[leaden quiver]

i remember the old days of warlords mark :(

[past mantle]

The tech there is very homogenised.

[brazen vector]

How is it "cheese" when its clever use of game mechanics

[onyx adder]

and ive been on my back hallucinating and shitting my guts out in laos for a week after eating the wrong street food baguette

[brazen vector]

Do you want them to push mana flasks?

[split maple]

was it a good trip or bad trip tho?

[past mantle]

Sure.

[warm musk]

PoE 2 feels

[leaden quiver]

unironically yeah

go push mana flasks

[split maple]

like from just that sentence you rly cannot expect us to know if thats praise or no

[soft perch]

Me in Barbados after eating one slightly gone off coconut

[leaden quiver]

make them give me more damage

thx

[whole bluff]

Curdling?

[past mantle]

We had a mana flask meta for a while.

[onyx adder]

the hotel bathroom would say it was bad

mana flask is such a good day 1 build patch and it offends so many ppl

theyre like HOW DARE YOU STOP ME USING THIS LOW VALUE FLASK THAT I CANT SUSTAIN DAY 1

[past mantle]

They actively decided to remove non-ES leech from spells and decided that fuck it you can just ignore it.

[soft perch]

Mana flask gives so little mana lowkey

[onyx adder]

INSTEAD I WILL CLICK 37 PASSIVE POINTS

[onyx adder]

yea it does

[brazen vector]

The last time I unironically used a mana flask (outside of leveling) was during the poets pen pathfinder zerphis last breath meta

[onyx adder]

but for like normal builds early league when u dont have cast speed it does enough

[leaden quiver]

yeah they should buff them to be way more mana, make them give more spell damage too as an effect

ezpz

[onyx adder]

u want to move off it asap

[soft perch]

Normal builds early click mines

Cuz they’re better

[onyx adder]

yea well some of us are jiji or otherwise neurodivergent and only play selfcast

or something

[split maple]

i still remember the old hb tricky mana flask - totems - mines - repeat rota

mines dont solve the issue completely

[prime hill]

im too old to play selfcast

[soft perch]

They removed neurodivergent gems like three patches ago smh

[onyx adder]

selfcast makes u old

[prime hill]

I don't wanna become 80

[soft perch]

U already are old

[crisp obsidian]

ye sorry I don't like mines

I want selfcast

[onyx adder]

waiting for spell echo animation holy

[leaden quiver]

remember when pledge of hands was actually used

[onyx adder]

ggg needs to remove the 10% speed penalty per repeat on unleash

[leaden quiver]

i feel like a grandpa now

[onyx adder]

that shit can fuck right off

it feels SO bad

[leaden quiver]

maybe that'd solve self cast tbh

[past mantle]

Unleash isn't self cast.

[whole bluff]

I play triggers mostly. But I do wish selfcast was a thing

[normal hedge]

what would you selfcast?

[whole bluff]

Fireball, freezing pulse

[brazen vector]

The only selfcast id play is rf

[whole bluff]

Eye of Winter

[leaden quiver]

purifying flame of revelations

[past mantle]

I wish there was any way to actually invest into cast speed without 800 nodes.

[leaden quiver]

cool skill on paper

[prime hill]

fireball my beloved

[leaden quiver]

hilariously underpowered

[whole bluff]

This as well

[leaden quiver]

because selfcast is just so scuffed

[normal hedge]

the only way to make fireball work is vaal nimis and being inside of bosses

[split maple]

kinda funny how people complain about selfcast when rf is obvious proof its healthy

like even popular

[brazen vector]

Ikr xd

[prime hill]

cast speed is bait after a certain point unless you play brands

[soft perch]

Wat

[split maple]

you do cast rf

its a spell

[soft perch]

Rf is not selfcast

[onyx adder]

theres a legit korean selfcast puriflame of revelations builds somewhere

[soft perch]

That is so reductive lmao

[onyx adder]

its elementalist ignite

[whole bluff]

I think he's trolling

[split maple]

[whole bluff]

Lmao

[prime hill]

sometimes I wish I knew korean or mandarin

[normal hedge]

ofc it is, you cast it once

[soft perch]

Ragebait successful

[brazen vector]

You selfcast rf once a map, ofc its selfcast, smh my head

[prime hill]

poe there is wild

[soft perch]

Very mad

When are we getting a cat breeding league mechanic

With funny music

[onyx adder]

i alrdy had breeding league

i hated it

[whole bluff]

I listened to one of those songs, it was funky

[onyx adder]

it had no patch notes

[split maple]

i agree with discussion so far tho, like its kinda sad the main spells played are those that dont give fuck about mana costs due to either being es usage (fross) or not spammed (pbod)

[past mantle]

That can be said about literally any sources of increased and same sources of more.
Having it be more cost effective would push the point at which cast speed is not worth investing into any more.

[onyx adder]

worst league all time

[prime hill]

aight, I can get behind the second line

[soft perch]

Necromancer is the best cast speed scaling

[surreal musk]

worst league so far

[soft perch]

W necromancer my favourite spellcaster ascendancy

[leaden quiver]

https://pobb.in/de0WqBJ0Zs1m

[past mantle]

I think you could double the cast speed values on the tree and self cast still wouldn't be worth it.

[soft perch]

I never did play arcanist brand volatile dead

[leaden quiver]

wander ascendancy nowadays

sad trombone

[surreal musk]

whats special about purifying flame? reap is best for dmg , ek for clear , what makes purifying flame better

[split maple]

everything selfcast needs to be viable is one minor node on tree "5% of spell damage is leeched as mana" but we aint ever getting that

[soft perch]

W necromancer my favourite wander spell caster ascendancy

[onyx adder]

necro vd is on the short list for next league

[split maple]

or like triple regen values

[whole bluff]

I don't wanna get defensive but just cuz it looks like my builds it doesn't mean I made the pob

[onyx adder]

im probably not gonna play it unless it gets buffed again

[prime hill]

I wonder if I should try fross next league

[soft perch]

Is that more than one button

[onyx adder]

but its on the list for eyeballing because its solid on no gear

yea its more than 1 button on bosses

[leaden quiver]

its good for clear in stationary stuff like breaches

[soft perch]

Disgusting

[leaden quiver]

or defend stuff

with the way it works

[onyx adder]

mapping ur just chaining packs

[leaden quiver]

if you have an entire screen of consecrated ground, it just keeps chaining on it entirely

[onyx adder]

i mean arcanist brand desecrate is like

[leaden quiver]

so you have full screen damage

[whole bluff]

Ah, doesn't look like my builds when you open it

[surreal musk]

ah

[onyx adder]

1/3 of a button

[brazen vector]

Did you ever play a build that you liked so much that you went for it again in the next league?

[soft perch]

No

[past mantle]

Don't think so.

I vary my builds because I would explode of boredom otherwise.

[crisp obsidian]

scourge arrow, spark

[prime hill]

as a starter, ea balista elementalist and exsang mines

[soft perch]

Every build has problems that make me not want to play them again in some capacity and perfect ones become boring

[prime hill]

as top end build, none

[leaden quiver]

@soft perch also one thing about econc since we mentioned it yesterday, from what I can see on poe ninjer, you can do nameless flask disabling ascendancy + econc

[past mantle]

If you're one of those people who played lightning strike like 4 leagues in a row I think you might be legally insane.

[soft perch]

That does not seem worth it

And econcs aoe is kinda bad

It’s clear is not great

[brazen vector]

Im seriously thinking about playing chains of command in 3.28 again @_@

[tight plinth]

i tend to lean towards dots but hardly the same build the next league

[whole bluff]

Relic of the 🐐 pact

[soft perch]

Corrupting fever I’ve played three times to be fair

Maybe four

It’s just so comfy

[brazen vector]

Played it this league

So nop

[past mantle]

I only return to a build if there's some giga tech available for it.

[leaden quiver]

is it? i think corrupting fever was the only build that made me quit a league when I started iwth it

[whole bluff]

I made 3-4 RotP

[soft perch]

Lifestack cf was probs my favourite setup in keepers

[leaden quiver]

just felt so ass on rares

[tall otter]

guys it s me or theres hal of t4 ap that doesnt drop

[soft perch]

And I played a multi billion dps intstack build

[past mantle]

Corrupting cry last league. Gotta be one of my favs. 🥲

[brazen vector]

What

[soft perch]

I still hate playing and gearing stackers

It’s so annoying

[leaden quiver]

int stack deserves the axe

next patch

[soft perch]

I hope stacking gets crushed with nerfs in general

[tall otter]

im looking for moon temple, i've done 20 or 25 t4 map and it doesnt drop

[soft perch]

It’s so degenerate

[past mantle]

Stacking is not getting touch any time soon.

[soft perch]

Uninteresting build design as well

[past mantle]

They keep adding more stacking options.

[leaden quiver]

I think they should be targetted by lowering the %inc nodes across the board

[tall otter]

and on poe trade there's no moon temple t4 mapo

[leaden quiver]

nodes and item effects

[past mantle]

It's so boring and they just keep adding more of them.

[leaden quiver]

simplex shouldnt be 40% inc attributes but 20%

etc

[soft perch]

I hope they nerf heist items and reflect

[split maple]

Just use Explorer scouting reports

[surreal musk]

im expecting some type of int nerf, either int=dex masteries or nerfing the es% per 10 int

[brazen vector]

Try horizon orbs

[leaden quiver]

deserved nerf

also hits blue ES players

+1

[tall otter]

ohhh yesss i totally forgot abt this orb ty

[soft perch]

I don’t like that every build is bad unless it’s a stacker

It’s kinda stupid

[split maple]

Issue is also that we call every lategame build stacker

[whole bluff]

Ngl, this might have been needed to be halved for like the last 10 years, and ES compensated where necessary

[split maple]

Like we Got str and int stackers, herald stacker, aurastacker, armorstacker, esstacker, heraldstacker

Like stacker in the end doesn't mean much

[leaden quiver]

heraldstacker made it onto the list twice

poggies

[split maple]

It's a fun mapper :p

[leaden quiver]

eblade deserves a big nerf for spells too

[onyx adder]

I think what splaff doesnt like is the extreme specialization of those builds

[leaden quiver]

every high end wander is an int stacker

[onyx adder]

Where from the ground up ur whole tree and like 8 gear slots are actual useless garbage on any other build but for u theyre bis

[split maple]

lifestacker, mana stacker, abyss jewel stacker...

too many stackers lol

[whole bluff]

You get what is one of:

1. Provided by main stat
2. Basically free
3. Removes other issues you usually need to invest to solve

[surreal musk]

eblade and archmage are the only way to scale spells decently

[split maple]

ooh light res stacker now too

[surreal musk]

both tied to longneck

other than fross

[whole bluff]

On stackers

[split maple]

and brands

pbod you can scale milion different ways

also bv

[surreal musk]

brands use eblade

[whole bluff]

If one of those options is block, you have block. If one option is suppression, you have suppression

[split maple]

eblade is just budget setup for pbod

[surreal musk]

any other way to scale spells doesnt scale its defense so its bad

[split maple]

you dont want to sacrifice explodey weapons

[inner prawn]

i don't mind stackers

i just wish dex stacking was more worthwhile.

[gritty epoch]

Stack these

[spice pecan]

what does a good non-stacker build look like that doesn't abuse a specific cluster/crucible/etc notable

[uneven gust]

Post your phericia build using only standard emojis

[split maple]

i would say slayer but folks gonna call it frenzy stacker

[spice pecan]

so people are really just tired of attr stackers

[whole bluff]

Yeah, they're turning the meat and potatoes of poe kinda upside down

[split maple]

but like them generic strike builds on slayer or slams count, but idk if i rly want to do them lategame

[past mantle]

5 (I am going by a very tight definition of stacking here where it is a rounded stacker and not just stack one thing of damage) items specifically for stacking just this league alone.

[uneven gust]

Exsanguinate/reap?

[spice pecan]

i mean i would say slayer is different

[spice pecan]

has that ever been on the level of an attr stacker tho

[split maple]

cws also isnt stacker but its kinda one job build

[normal hedge]

🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹 🏹

accurate number of bows

[surreal musk]

exsang/reap/ traps and mines in general u cant make anywhere near as good defensively as attribute stackers while having similar dmg

same with herald stacking for phys spells

u get good dmg but cant get good max hit

[spice pecan]

like i feel like you're always going to lean into something specific, whether it's an attribute, multiple attributes, or a charge, or crucible/cluster notable

[past mantle]

Don't worry, you just build that as a stacker now anyways, dot or not.

[pulsar dune]

yeah, stacker defenses are kinda unbeatable

[uneven gust]

Ah mine is 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️

[split maple]

lightres stack makes me happy rn, its just different enough to them attr stack stuff that i find gearing kinda interesting

[inner prawn]

you don't have to stack to make a good build, stacking is just the easiest way to make a high end build.

[pulsar dune]

offensively there are many ways you get there

[spice pecan]

with how rippy the game is i feel like not str or int stacking for endgame stuff is kind of a personal challenge

[steel light]

omfg 1st actual megablood, from breach encounter

[inner prawn]

its easy to understand like "i stack this one stat numbers go up"

[pulsar dune]

IG pathfinder is the closest to a non-stacker tanky build that does damage

[uneven gust]

Anymore, stacker is pushing the ceiling up for any build and any non stacker is a leaguestarter

[crisp obsidian]

RIP

[past mantle]

That is fundamentally how the game works.
Stackers just get to dip into defence and utiltiy on top of damage.
It's why something like a dex stacker doesn't matter or the old accuracy stackers that didn't use HOTM.

[uneven gust]

I blame helicals and simplexes

[inner prawn]

helicals and simplexes are not the only factor stackers have become so good.

[pulsar dune]

oh minion builds largely aren't stackers either

[inner prawn]

helicals and simplexes wouldn't matter without other items that actually boost your damage from stacking your attributes.

[pulsar dune]

and those do get competitive defenses and damage

helicals and simplexes are what make attribute stacking so overwhelming.

[inner prawn]

its only one piece of the equation.

[fossil mural]

Do the poe2 moment

[pulsar dune]

a synth amulet stacker is fine

a simplex-stacker is difficult to beat, a misted helical stacker is the best build in the game

[past mantle]

You stack your int on your wander and you get your accuracy, flat and increased damage and blue life pool solved.

[prime hill]

stackers have way higher ceiling that scales with every bit of gear which gets added into a pile of effective stats you get

[past mantle]

If they just kept these to really expensive builds, that'd be fine.

But that's just the design of half the uniques now.

[prime hill]

non stackers just get stuck after awhile

[pulsar dune]

is intstack wander even good these days?

[past mantle]

Yes.

[split maple]

its kinda annyoing how you are forced to go for 700-800 int or so anyways if you dont want to take accu mastery in addition to wand mastery on these builds

[spice pecan]

int stack anything is fantastic

[prime hill]

hence why every non stacker just moved into league starter tbh

[spice pecan]

int stack basic attack probably works in some way

[pulsar dune]

but yea, mark said in the interview that they don't like how every build is a stacker, just before releasing like 8 new stacking payoffs

[past mantle]

Classic.

[prime hill]

classic

[soft perch]

I hate any build that’s like og omniscience

[past mantle]

Homogenising builds and gear and item choices so awesome.

[soft perch]

Cut paste completely same setups

[inner prawn]

we don't like stacking, lets add the most broken claws in the game for stacking.

[pulsar dune]

I thought nowadays intstack really struggled to get damage

[past mantle]

I live when build variety dies after 25d investment.

[leaden quiver]

hello guys today we will play a lightning spell

time to use eblade

ivory tower

spellblade support

battlemage inquisitor

str and int stack

[soft perch]

Well last league had hotm

[normal hedge]

i love spells (eblade)

[leaden quiver]

hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooly

[soft perch]

And that was probably one of the best builds of all time

[spice pecan]

ackshuyally it's any spell and it just does 99% lightning damage

[pulsar dune]

I mean, yes, int/accu,sure

but wands?

[soft perch]

Literally multi billion dps setups with 25k es

[past mantle]

Last league doesn't count.

[spice pecan]

what would make wands any less successful as an int stacker

[pulsar dune]

no damage

[tawdry olive]

thats if youre playing a clear skill and trying to do stuff that needs insane ST too like blight i guess, its more like a first world problem

[past mantle]

Mercs was a fake league that has no bearing on the perception of the game.

[spice pecan]

wands dont deal damage anyways

[leaden quiver]

we're talking keepers

[soft perch]

Keepers

[pulsar dune]

sure, so why are you burning mirrors on them instead of playing mana stack or smth

[prime hill]

man

[leaden quiver]

with howa lite

[split maple]

mana stack is kinda efficient for dps

[leaden quiver]

accu stacking

[past mantle]

That's the currently league.

[prime hill]

why is lightning so good in both games for ages

[soft perch]

Barely the current league tbh

[prime hill]

for everything

(nah I know why but jesus)

[past mantle]

"Barely" is a weird way to say you got something wrong.

[pulsar dune]

ES is good, and all payoffs that also give you ES give you lightning damage

well, except when they don't

but that's pretty niche

lightning is not really meta outside of stackers

[spice pecan]

like i half-assed my str stack wander jugg this league and it feels alright but nothing spectacular; wouldn't feel that much better if i went into a simplex

and ofc it's chaos and not lightning

[split maple]

just recently swaped to light res stack so kinda scuffed: https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/marc_aureli-3722/character/OldManOfClustering

but dps feels allright

[pulsar dune]

like what, are you going to play, lightning conduit?

[whole bluff]

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[fossil mural]

Doryani with mercs (in 3.35 or whenever they come back)

[prime hill]

try 4.0

[fossil mural]

4.0 isnt happening

[pulsar dune]

I have strong doubts they're bringing back doryani merc

[split maple]

prolly going straight to 5.0

when poe2 engine rework occupes 4.0 space

[fossil mural]

Yea 5 feet under

[prime hill]

prolly going to straight up EoS

[tawdry olive]

me on my deathbead when the AI brain upload of mark finally announces 4.0

[prime hill]

only reason poe 1 exists right now is they're failing to convert people into poe 2

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and keepers really made me think they're slowly gonna try to make the game worse over time so more people play poe 2

[fossil mural]

Are you sure they are failing

[prime hill]

I hope I'm just a schizo

[prime hill]

we don't count temple honestly

no way in hell ggg hits something like that again

[fossil mural]

Abyss was good and well recieved

[prime hill]

okay, yes

you got me

[fossil mural]

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