1┃general

[spice pecan]

i will say the gauntlet stuff had me a bit on the fence in campaign, but after that it was fine

[cobalt blade]

tho i guess people just didnt read

[onyx adder]

I mean i quit at level 90 but thats because i got bored and could path my next four days of upgrades in my head

Not because of the box

[final owl]

not the first time this phenomena is noticable tbh 😛

[cobalt blade]

for sure

[cobalt blade]

it was honeslty quite fun but the enrage was a bit painful early on

[final owl]

i didn't quit at 90 just because i was already done with keepers I guess

[cobalt blade]

with toned down enrage it seems quite a bit better

[final owl]

and i wanted to at least ttry to give idols a proper go this time around

in the end, i didn't really. but still. the potential was there 😛

[onyx adder]

The OG enrage wasnt fun tbh too much content wasnt tuned around it

Sometimes that can be fun but when u have no build giga speed mods are troll

[spice pecan]

that enrage was legit fucked up

lmao

[final owl]

i got pancaked a whole bunch of times getting caught by enrages

[cobalt blade]

im still not sure if the enrage sped up harbies but it felt like it did so i liked it

oh and it was also fun in feared valdos made them somewhat challenging outside of the tank sponge maps

[full lava]

when does stash tabs go to sale (usually)

[final owl]

uuuhm. I never keep track of sales honestly. Someone here will know when they typically do stash tab sales

[undone gazelle]

every 3 weeks, next ones scheduled this weekend
https://poedb.tw/us/

[full lava]

ale thanks

[undone gazelle]

if its your first time buying i suggest getting the First Blood pack (200pts) or poe2 EA key (300pts)

[crisp obsidian]

Where teaser????

[umbral crag]

Tbf for someone who's never explored poe outside of the traditional league, 'additional mechanics' doesn't exactly scream gauntlet mods to me

[cobalt blade]

i meaaan i just assumed they wouldnt have had the dev time to make completely new shit for it

[grizzled lily]

where are the teasas

[opaque wing]

Probably every other day, and they skipped the last day so wait for the NZ work day agian.

[crisp obsidian]

Wtf

Scammed

[leaden quiver]

No tasers yesterday so lazy

I havent been tased

[crisp obsidian]

[eager lion]

Can someone link today's teaser pls

[spice pecan]

what teaser

[bold scarab]

Bring back old EK as base EK so we can have fun on league start with a shitty minion

[stone wing]

Link the teaser please, I know you're hiding it

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-loading-gif-26060546

[stone wing]

Choco puppy?

I knew your were a puppygirl

[brazen vector]

ChoCo puppy

[stone wing]

Choco is bad for puppies

[brazen vector]

Chain of Command Puppeteer

[whole bluff]

||Boat League||

[scarlet jacinth]

Aah yes Liechtenstein league

3.28 Liechtenstein league - Return of the ground loot

[gritty fjord]

What channel to ask if something is worth keeping?

[whole bluff]

In PoE 3.28, players will travel to Liechtenstein and enjoy the friendly atmosphere and culture of one of Europe's most compact principialities. Exiles can take a stroll in Burg Gutenberg or visit some of the numerous churches, among many other things.

[wispy wing]

hello

[whole bluff]

Depends on how far you progressed. But any of the help channels for poe1 could be the right place, if it's for poe1 anyway.

[whole bluff]

Hello

[wispy wing]

whats going on ?

[whole bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wispy wing]

what?

[whole bluff]

Wdym?

[brazen vector]

[bold scarab]

Don't forget about the gorey subplot

[brazen vector]

the failed ring actually sold

[scarlet jacinth]

And cheap alcohol

[wispy wing]

I mean How are you doing today?

[scarlet jacinth]

I'd play it.

[brazen vector]

final final upgrade

[warped stone]

Can we stop random dc ty

[steel light]

download better connection

[scarlet jacinth]

And more ram while you're at it

[steel light]

anyone have a link for end game harbinger atlas tree? i remember it's full harbinger node and scarab, and part beyond, can't find a proper one online
"never done harbinger before, wanna try it now"

[scarlet jacinth]

Fight the blue man group. Thats harbi for ya

[fossil mural]

Doesnt fubgun have a guide for it

[brazen vector]

if you have a phrecia build capable of doing it, I have a full idol set for harbingers

[fossil mural]

Its not corrupted

[brazen vector]

it is

[fossil mural]

😩

[steel light]

keepers, @fossil mural for some reason i can't find it, so now trying to figure things out on poe planner

[fossil mural]

It was someone else nvm

Fungun has a normal scarab farm

Not harbs

There was a google doc

I remember for sure

😩

[brazen vector]

https://poeplanner.com/a/6LsN

[steel light]

think i found what u're talking about, but wasn't the one i think i saw before with some beyond

[fossil mural]

Its 2 versions

One is faster but harder

Beyond one is faster and harder I think?

Or like considered by whoever made the google doc

But its def faster

Full harbies maps take ages

[steel light]

thanks, will try this after i convert the searing node to eater later

[brazen vector]

https://poeplanner.com/a/6LJ6 this one with beyond

[fossil mural]

Use different scarabs too

Like one different scarab or smth

Tbh it was a long time ago, maybe people figured out a better way

[steel light]

wanna try harbinger before new league, at least my cws can do end game grind, i think

[brazen vector]

If you do harbinger with cws definitely disable sound in the config file

[fossil mural]

The mines rolling magma tech

[leaden quiver]

@icy zinc explosive concoction alt qual seems kinda busted, tf?

[fickle glen]

Why does this same item have different stats?

[spice pecan]

some uniques have different variants

ralakesh boots are one example

[cobalt blade]

theres an armour es > evasion es> arm evasion version of those boots

each one has a different effect

[fickle glen]

Hmm shouldn’t they have named them differently, such as replica?

[leaden quiver]

nope

as replicas (except for one stupid exception) come from Heist

[cobalt blade]

its a thematic unique for a delirious unique imo

[leaden quiver]

theres more cases of that too

all abyss uniques have different variants with # abyss sockets

[steel light]

not due to legacy?

[fickle glen]

Confusing

[brazen vector]

you can roll 1 or 2 socket shroud of the lightless

[cobalt blade]

theres also doryanis delusion boots

[cobalt blade]

3 socket too friend of mine spend a good 3 weeks in a gsf trying to farm one

[leaden quiver]

1-2 on helmet/boots/gloves

1-3 on chest

[brazen vector]

oh damn, never had one of those

[steel light]

i always thought gear with different mods = legacy and after nerf current version

[leaden quiver]

that includes delve lich guy

[cobalt blade]

its rarer afaik than the other2 by a bit

[leaden quiver]

just buy the replica

easy 6 abyss sockets

💀

[brazen vector]

nah, I dont need it

[cobalt blade]

surely replica makes up for losing the pen

and life

[leaden quiver]

shirley

[golden phoenix]

Shorely

[whole bluff]

Shoreline

[brazen vector]

hmm making an abyss jewel stacker possible in 3.28 without phrecia will be hard

[leaden quiver]

not really

you just use shroud of the lightless, you use lightpoacher

[ocean field]

what is the best combination to hit 3p and 2 s

[leaden quiver]

and make sure you cant cast the lightpoacher spell

with archmage + lifetap or whatever

[whole bluff]

Rip

[leaden quiver]

then you permanently have the 5% of phys added as each element

[ocean field]

Based on this chart

best way to hit 3p 2s

??

[whole bluff]

I misread based on this art and suddenly you linked a rorschach

[ocean field]

XD

[cobalt blade]

put 2 3p 3s's in

[golden phoenix]

[ocean field]

I don't get this part

[cobalt blade]

But uh this char is based on alting and then reusing your bases as best as possible

[ocean field]

2p/2s and 2p/2s what is the split here

[cobalt blade]

your 2p/2s recomb hits 3p/2s you follow that line

You hit 1p/1s that line

[brazen vector]

you can get all the outcomes from a 2p/2s +2p/2s recomb

[cobalt blade]

its basically telling you the optimal one to recomb based on your own rng

[ocean field]

yeah but what exatcly is the 2p/2s + 2p/2s do u have like different prefix in each

or can you have common ones

[cobalt blade]

3 total prefix you want 1 matching on each side

so %es flat es - flat es hybrid es recomb those for 2p side

[ocean field]

say I have to hit this

[cobalt blade]

Repeat for 2s but yknow int dex dex str whatever

[golden phoenix]

Sometimes I consider learning to recombinate. Then I remember

[ocean field]

what to do

[brazen vector]

thats just tree tree

then eldritch for int/supp

[whole bluff]

My guess is you only input mods you want? I thought it could randomly add bricks though?

[cobalt blade]

slam %es+flat int into %suppress/flat es and then follow the line based on wat you get back

[cobalt blade]

It cant add bricks

[whole bluff]

Like you go from 1p or 1s and smash together up to 3p/3s

[cobalt blade]

If you only give it % es flat es those are the only 2 mods it can output

[whole bluff]

Ah, neat

[cobalt blade]

but also yeah tree or fractured int/suppress dense fossil eldritch for the other

[ocean field]

WHATTTTTTTT

[cobalt blade]

Fracs should be stupid cheap compared to recomb cost

[ocean field]

I didn't know this

[cobalt blade]

yep just use clean bases

[whole bluff]

If I understood correctly now, this method assumes you only have mods you want

[cobalt blade]

Yes

[brazen vector]

https://pobb.in/hyNrOn8LdnBZ pretty good

[ocean field]

so recomb does not add random mods on it's own

wallahi

Eureka moment

[cobalt blade]

gl recombing fall into the profit crafting hole

[ocean field]

gng I don't craft to sell

just craft for my slef

[cobalt blade]

fair

[leaden quiver]

real

i am putting it off for like 3 leagues now

[lucid gale]

If it's a recurring thing, do your reremember?

[golden phoenix]

I swear to izaro I will one day imprison you in a labyrinth

[tawdry olive]

there's like 2 tiers to recomb knowledge, tier 1 is how to smash things together for 3T1 + 1 more T1 on the other side, that's already enough as a start. Gets you things like 1100pdps axe

[spice pecan]

something about the weary traveler

[cobalt blade]

Its honestly not hard to learn the only real annoying part is learning the optimal use for your failed recombs

[tawdry olive]

tier 2 is when non native/natural mods come in and you do crazy things like transfer mods to good bases, from bad fractures, get double influenced mods + triple T1 etc

[cobalt blade]

that end up in weird 3s 1p states or something

[whole bluff]

Feed him a piece of the weapon so he becomes immortal and really angry

[cobalt blade]

Love this part for fracture saving and moving tailwind to boot bases

[tawdry olive]

tier 2 is where the real profit crafting is happening, but you dont have to get yourself so deep in there

to start

[golden phoenix]

His cookies are too good so I guess I'll spare him (for now)

[lucid gale]

A potent little gift from our primitive past.

[leaden quiver]

share the knowledge

[golden phoenix]

So potent.

[leaden quiver]

sounds like nerd roleplay foreplay

[steel light]

an example of 2p2s+2p+2s, treat the 2nd armour as having 2s with the same mods

[grizzled lily]

is this a hint adressed tow 3.28 HMMMM

[cobalt blade]

very very basic explanation

if you have isolated tailwind on a pair of evasion based boots and want to transfer it to int base boots - you can do screaming essences of str on the int pair of boots(make sure its influ ofc) - annul it down so the only suffix is str - anytime you recomb its a 50/50 to move said mod and you can never lose the tailwind because that natural tier of str from ess cant roll on either pair of boots

theres much more advanced shit you can do to finish suffixes entirely on said recomb but i cba to explain how to setup those bases

[golden phoenix]

As a general rule, I know nothing and anything I say is only a hint to the eldritch horrors in my mind, not anything to do with any patches.

[grizzled lily]

sus

thats a sus response on itself

[cobalt blade]

(and you can replace tailwind with exclusive mods or really annoying annoying to hit mod)

[grizzled lily]

preparing a lab runner pob

[golden phoenix]

[lucid gale]

Did you peeps know that Keepers is soon over?
You could say that the weary traveler draws close to the end of the patch.

[golden phoenix]

zao I swear to all that is holy

[tawdry olive]

Here's an example already made for you by @opal ingot
you reach step 1 by using the tier 1 recomb knowledge i mentioned earlier, and make the "perfect" item with the tier 2 knowledge

[spice pecan]

i hope you're wielding the hammer today, because i need to be concussed after that

[prime hill]

weren't we supposed to have 2 years of keepers, wtf?

[golden phoenix]

[steel light]

pher ends in 2 days, why u care about keepers first

[grizzled lily]

hmmmm

this is suspicious

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats the more advanced method but unless your trying to make some hyper specific item its not worth doing

[tawdry olive]

but yes the principle and concepts behind it are extremely flexible, doesnt have to be for painge crafting like that

[grizzled lily]

i need teasers and i need them NEOW

[tawdry olive]

simply moving temple chill mod to a good base will use similar concepts

[cobalt blade]

yepyep

[golden phoenix]

[grizzled lily]

im starved for poe1 mechanics

[cobalt blade]

^which somewhat understandable explanation for

[grizzled lily]

i need the breach out of my maps

the breach is sometimes so aggressive to the maps, my syndicate fort sometimes has space for half a haku in there

[normal hedge]

At least it spawns

[grizzled lily]

barely

[normal hedge]

Essences doesn't

[cobalt blade]

but i wish it didnt

[normal hedge]

💀

[cobalt blade]

D:

[grizzled lily]

i felt like harbis were eaten by breach this league idk maybe just me

[cobalt blade]

this is a buff heck essences

They arent

They just get moved

[spare ore]

https://codeberg.org/poe_notes/poe_notes/src/branch/main/Recombinators-dark-images.md here's some knowledge

[normal hedge]

Nah I farmed harby in phrecia just fine

[cobalt blade]

i was going some 24 king harby maps in phrecia and counted to be sure

[grizzled lily]

having them stacked in half of a city square made me feel like there were not that many anymore xdd

[steel light]

forced breach contribute to gold farm though not gonna lie, they're 20k-120k depending breach or fortress

[normal hedge]

It's the same as beasts, all of them spawn at the same corner

It's actually funny

[cobalt blade]

which you could make more gold skipping said fortress and running 5 maps in that time

[grizzled lily]

im having heavy placebo effects

wheneverdefence breaches appear

[normal hedge]

Fortress should spawn the waves faster

[grizzled lily]

didnt they delete the fortress

am i missing smth here

[ocean field]

what are the chances here

[normal hedge]

Bad

[ocean field]

so I should try to get more desired stats on phantasm

[grizzled lily]

wouldnt just crafting that mod be enough

[ocean field]

NO

[grizzled lily]

like maybe 600e

[cobalt blade]

probably less than 2%

[cobalt blade]

No because you lose % att craft

[ocean field]

OOF

[cobalt blade]

6% att kinda fucking good

[grizzled lily]

just exalt

[steel light]

@ocean field 10% 3 mods, 52% 2 mods

[grizzled lily]

that

duuh

[cobalt blade]

you cant

[grizzled lily]

i mean its not a mod

mb

[normal hedge]

I gotta check the post and I wont do it on my phone

[frigid wedge]

Franz how did ur CoC swap go

[cobalt blade]

its unveiled from hillock drop only or crafted at bench :p

[ocean field]

hmm

[cobalt blade]

8% on the hillock drop one

[steel light]

33% for 2s, mostly gonna end as one

[ocean field]

AHHH

[grizzled lily]

better than 0% chance to succed

on the tecomb

[normal hedge]

I have so many 5affix necrotics from 3.25 in standard

I did it in every event we had lol

[steel light]

look at the pic, 2p+2p = 4 mods, then u go down that row and check the % odds

[frigid wedge]

hows ur CoC swap going

[steel light]

do the same separately for suffix

[grizzled lily]

i dislike using the recomb

[ocean field]

swapping my coc after this

[grizzled lily]

its greasy gameplay

[ocean field]

yeah I saw 18.3%

[cobalt blade]

Oh also since idk how much you know on the basics of recomb prefix and suffix pool are separate on them

[frigid wedge]

what

[scarlet jacinth]

3.28 is taking too long

[cobalt blade]

truth needs to release yesterday D:

[ocean field]

went well XD

[scarlet jacinth]

So what are we all hoping for in 3.28?

[crisp obsidian]

no int L

[cobalt blade]

spark buffs

[steel light]

have you considered hibernating for 17 days?

[crisp obsidian]

spell buffs, huge attack nerfs

like delete attacks from the game

[ocean field]

yeah I am paticularly int stacking so it fine atm

[frigid wedge]

if it was released yesterday i may have been too distracted to be a complete idiot for 5h

[scarlet jacinth]

I dislike you!

[cobalt blade]

and ascendant to be buffed like crazy

[normal hedge]

Actually 3p/1s is a bad result

[cobalt blade]

mood

[scarlet jacinth]

My employer said no

[crisp obsidian]

that's fine, you want sextants to return

I don't mind you disliking me

[steel light]

there is no justice in that 10% hit

[frigid wedge]

and i enjoyed being a complete idiot yesterday

it was fun

[ocean field]

wdym

u mean I can't hit the 3p/2s

[scarlet jacinth]

Wouldn't matter with 1 week campaign

[ocean field]

Yeah iguess

[whole bluff]

Nah, he's actually really nice and completely correct

[ocean field]

so this is fine

[scarlet jacinth]

The hell did attacks do?

[crisp obsidian]

cause hell to spell users

[whole bluff]

Stomp

[ocean field]

attack

[crisp obsidian]

it's attacks fault that spells suck atm

[ocean field]

attacks are basically shit on trickster

that is all you need to know

[scarlet jacinth]

Then nerf specific attacks ya dummy.

[crisp obsidian]

no

revert the totem change

so attacks have to use totems

[whole bluff]

Nah, that's spells fault. But attacks should take the fall for it

[crisp obsidian]

no it's attacks fault

[scarlet jacinth]

Rip Eri, timeout for 5minutes

[crisp obsidian]

ggg overbuffed attacks and overnerfed spells

[cobalt blade]

no its your fault specifically D:

[crisp obsidian]

just so attack users can feel good for once

[whole bluff]

What did she do?

[crisp obsidian]

said something that automod doesn't like

[scarlet jacinth]

Impolite way of telling me to be silent.. automod said no

[whole bluff]

Haven't 90% of attacks shat on 90% of spells for years

[normal hedge]

D4 goodge

[grizzled lily]

lie

[crisp obsidian]

yes, ever since the totem changes

[ocean field]

I got this from my friend last league near perfection

[spice pecan]

werent attack totems just used for buffs or something

[scarlet jacinth]

They could do better job making spells and attacks equal. But not all attacks are amazing

[crisp obsidian]

yes

and then they removed those and buffed attacks

[cobalt blade]

That t3 flat physically pains

[onyx adder]

I dont think the difference between attacks and spells in general is particularly large atm

[grizzled lily]

GGG please make it so syndicate encounters can be toggled, i hate the safehouse GGG im begging u

[onyx adder]

But that statement is so general its not rly super meaningful to debate

[cobalt blade]

Thats the easy part to hit with dense fossiling and more likely

[normal hedge]

[grizzled lily]

get me out of safehouse maze

[onyx adder]

Shrug

Its true tho

[normal hedge]

low quality ragebait

[crisp obsidian]

wtd trolling in 2026? this is new

[cobalt blade]

its pretty fucking massive

both damagewise and comfort wise

[nimble bay]

Wild Strike has still somehow avoided any buffs. Same with Ice Crash...

[cobalt blade]

you can scale atk speed to the moon vs cast speed you get fucked on mana costs

[normal hedge]

The balance RN is 2 good spells vs 50 insane attacks

[frigid wedge]

awawawawawa

[whole bluff]

I think like, most single hit self cast spells haven't had a 10th of the dmg potential of most attacks for probably closer to a decade?

[frigid wedge]

i back

[onyx adder]

Well at low to mid gear its all competitive and at high gear ur scaling method matters way more than attack or spell

[crisp obsidian]

there's like 2 spells you can actually scale

[onyx adder]

Ur actual skill is just scaling delivery mechanism

[coral summit]

storm burst gaming with one(1) mana on spell hit shaper mod :>

[normal hedge]

And one of them is a zhp svallin slop build

[cobalt blade]

At low gear your dealing 30-40% more damage during ur tincture window on attacks your build probably feels better from higher attack speed and you have leap spam/whirling

[whole bluff]

Imo the thing is kinda, fireball is not that bad for a spell, but it's really horrible for a skill

[cobalt blade]

lol

[normal hedge]

prismatic tincture is a 80% more dmg alone wym 40%

[onyx adder]

Theres probably more basically identical attacks than there are spells to pick from at high gear but do u actually care about that since what matters for ur build is scaling and defenses not ur actual skill that u slot in

[crisp obsidian]

what scaling does spells have tho

[coral summit]

speaking of, is there an easy way to automate offering skills without having to use queen's hunger or just cwdt, cuz I'm fishing for a way to automate w/ death offering

[whole bluff]

Eblade inquisitor

Jiquani

[cobalt blade]

if ur directly importing your char pob double scales tinctures

[onyx adder]

So when ur at low mid gear tinctures arent up for long enough on anything tougher than a map boss to be particularly meaningful as part of ur build

[normal hedge]

jiquanis

[cobalt blade]

But also im assuming your not perfectly rolling them early

[onyx adder]

Its not making a difference to ur required gear for pinnacles

[cobalt blade]

I mean just mana leech you can get it for atleast 10-15 stacks

[crisp obsidian]

yeah anything can do quest pinnacles

that's not what anyone is arguing

or even normal pinnacles

[cobalt blade]

which if you don't do an inc mana burn rate tincture for that pob padding quite good uptime

also yeah im assuming uber scaling by day 3-4 comfortably

[crisp obsidian]

:D

[onyx adder]

I mean what are u arguing then, i alrdy said when ur getting into things that require actual gearing ur skill is secondary to ur scaling

[cobalt blade]

which for spells its mostly archmage eblade and jiquanis

[crisp obsidian]

and how are you scaling spells

[onyx adder]

Like it doesnt actually matter whether theres 2 spells u can put with jiquanis or 50 its just art

[spice pecan]

i dont think ppl have been playing archmage this league

[spice pecan]

attacks are functionally different in a lot more meaningful ways than spells are, imo

[frigid wedge]

theres been much stronger manastackers available

[spice pecan]

at far less cost and more effectiveness

[frigid wedge]

such as kboc

[cobalt blade]

it was league started by people who didnt trust the kboc pobs

[onyx adder]

I just think y'all are thinking about ur builds wrong

[cobalt blade]

saw a few early that swapped to kboc fast on ninja

[cobalt blade]

i just have expectations for what i want to be capable of by x day

[onyx adder]

And what actually matters is ur defenses and scaling method

[spice pecan]

i mean i'm a spell enjoyer, but that's just because i am scared of weapon dps and tinctures

[normal hedge]

yeah wtd is right spells are good and attacks are bad

[frigid wedge]

i wil play archmage eventually

[onyx adder]

Sure

[frigid wedge]

idk what skill id use

definitely not vortex

[normal hedge]

There's only one answer tho

[cobalt blade]

bloo

[normal hedge]

dd

[onyx adder]

If u want to be hyper efficient in ssf early ur playing earthshatter, sure

[crisp obsidian]

I just want to be able to play spells without having to either sacrifice defences or do funky shit to fix mana costs

and have some QoL

but no

that's not allowed

cause you can scale spells by 2 different methods!

[cobalt blade]

god no fuck slams id do smite for an ssf start

[frigid wedge]

ive played dd

[crisp obsidian]

wow that's so goooood!

[cobalt blade]

gonna suck in campaign scales hard past 60 ish

[frigid wedge]

if i play dd ill play the finished version of the last dd i played

bc it was fun af

[normal hedge]

Dd archmage is actually good

[cobalt blade]

ssf id be doing purely to fuck around for fun though

[cobalt blade]

hey hey 3 now with jiquanis!

just ignore that all 3 are int stackers

[crisp obsidian]

eblade and jiquanis, what else xddd

[cobalt blade]

archmage

[crisp obsidian]

ah right

[cobalt blade]

its still fine

[onyx adder]

If u want to be hyper efficient in trade and ur not a monkey ur doing endgame in the first few days regardless of whether ur doing it with elehit or wander or pbod or whatever it is u want to do

[frigid wedge]

wasnt dd archmage the build ppl played to cope that dd was still good

[onyx adder]

Just dont click rf or heavy strike or some other pile of garbage that cant do content early and ur fine

[cobalt blade]

it was good with the fire trigger in settlers kinda just okay outside of that?

[crisp obsidian]

but what if I don't want to be hyper efficient and I just want to enjoy spells

[onyx adder]

Then u pick a scaling method u want

[frigid wedge]

i played the dd spicysushi played in necropolis league

[onyx adder]

U pick defenses u want

[crisp obsidian]

I can't

[scarlet jacinth]

Mjolnir could be interesting

[onyx adder]

And u pick a skill that fits

[crisp obsidian]

either I pick scaling or I pick defences

[frigid wedge]

never finished it bc i didn't get adorned or osin for it

[cobalt blade]

well yea obviously you can do it its just a matter of how efficiently you can scale attacks brute force early damage alot faster

[frigid wedge]

real

[cobalt blade]

was he also doing dd coc inquis

i played that in necropolis was fun

[onyx adder]

See i just think this statement is so general that its kinda useless, is my point

[frigid wedge]

poets pen dd necro

[cobalt blade]

the earlier your damage is good the faster you can enter hard content for profit

[cobalt blade]

ohhh the lab runner one

[frigid wedge]

for expedition

[onyx adder]

And that the best scaling spells like pbod are competitive for damage early

If thats what u want to do

[cobalt blade]

i remember that now i watched way too much of him doing lab xd

[frigid wedge]

it goes zoom tho with corpse pact as

[onyx adder]

Below that yea sure theres a lot more mid attacks than mid spells

U will do better on like

[frigid wedge]

and 11 aps on frenzy is so stupid

[crisp obsidian]

yeah okay so I am forced to play pbod

so spells are good

cause pbod exists

POG

[cobalt blade]

pbod feels ass for mapping which you still want to be capable of

[onyx adder]

Random attack

Than u will trying to play self cast arc

But i mean idk why we care about either of those things

Because ur not gonna do that unless ur memeing

[frigid wedge]

pbod without explode feels ass for mapping*

[cobalt blade]

compared to on any strike skill +1-2 strikes melee range and for smite specifically aoe scaling

[frigid wedge]

explosions kinda required to make pbod feel good as a mapper

[cobalt blade]

yehh explode do fix it

[coral summit]

storm burst doesnt need any of those 3 things, but it's also one of the most jank setups imaginable otherwise

[frigid wedge]

as someone who has played multiple variants of it

[onyx adder]

Sure sure i could complain about how crappy the switch is for early wander or how slams are also slow mappers compared to other things on day 3 or whatever

[coral summit]

chaos conversion+damage as extra+duration scaling

[onyx adder]

Theyre good at different stuff

[crisp obsidian]

spells aren't good at anything

[cobalt blade]

wut slams are above average speed wise for early maps

well if you gambled axes in campaign properly and got a good one or bought one on trade*

you don't really hit a wall and you have leap slam

[onyx adder]

But the general point is that at the top level u got options, below that is less relevant than ppl think unless theyre really bored and memeing, and what actually matters is defenses and scaling not the art attached to ur skill

[frigid wedge]

awh fuck i gotta figure out what to start

[crisp obsidian]

for me it is important is it attack or spell

that might not be important for you

but it is for me

I prefer spells

spells are nice and fun

attacks are boring outside of like SA and mamba

[coral summit]

been baking the world's most jank stormburst setup on elementalist with lycia bloodline, and it is way overbudget for what it does

[onyx adder]

Sounds terrible, i have a similar pob

[coral summit]

it uses five double influenced rares lmfao

shaper/elder helmet and four(4) shaper/redeemer uniques

[onyx adder]

Stormburst should be doing overtuned damage in every pob tho

So idk what ur doing

Its problems are not pob numbers lmao

[cobalt blade]

Well yeah it does become less relevant obviously high end infinite budget sparks gonna feel better than any attack but spells just require more to get damage out of em

[onyx adder]

Ur problem is how to stand still without killing ur character, and how to clear quickly enough to not kill urself irl

[frigid wedge]

do i armourstack or int mana stack

[cobalt blade]

both

[bright viper]

Spell totems solve the first problem and make the second problem 10x worse

[cobalt blade]

Int armour stack

[bright viper]

Fair trade off imo

[coral summit]

the problem was that I found the bound by destiny mod pool for shaper items and realized it also wasn't that bad to get six shaper influenced items on it
and then it spiraled further when I realized there were also other good mods in the other parts of the modpool for it

[cobalt blade]

(i keep trying to pob it it always looks so close to playable )

[frigid wedge]

xD

[onyx adder]

The actual secret is to realize that influenced items are never good enough

[cobalt blade]

basically just replacing the evasion/arm ovecap chest with shapers touch+evasion per int mastery lol

[coral summit]

and then I realized since you already use mistress of sacrifice it's surely not that bad to get a shaper influenced leash of oblation rite
but what if we corrupted it for duration

[onyx adder]

They either make ur build work and are essential

[ocean field]

okay after a bit of testing I have come to the conclusion that 3p/1s is optimal to hit with recomb

[coral summit]

and then you look back at the total pob and be like

[cobalt blade]

you end up tankier but lower armour iirc

[onyx adder]

Or theyre worse than whatever else u could put in the slot

Theyre never just good

[coral summit]

"this is probably four mirrors for only half a three comma digit damage and the max hit is not that great, even with cap block+ES on block"

"why would i spent four mirrors on this when i could build an int stacker"

[cobalt blade]

if you have like 300k max hit with block your fine

for 99% of content

[coral summit]

hrehehe no the max hit is like 100k ele

[onyx adder]

This is gonna have 30k max hit

I can feel it

[coral summit]

and 70k phys

[frigid wedge]

yeah idt that would work

[cobalt blade]

idk who you are flare but why that reaction

[coral summit]

and no easy way of getting a ton of crit reduction

so like

lol_lmao

not t17 viable

[frigid wedge]

mana armourstacker would work better i think maybe

with flat per unreserved

idk

[grizzled lily]

six seven

[coral summit]

i hate that my bar for t17 maps now is either you clear shit entirely offscreen or you have to have ungodly defences to not spend ages rolling your maps

t17 mod pool was a mistake

or rather not t17 mod pool but putting all the generic loot behind it and not just uber boss tokens

[gentle chasm]

t17s were a mistake in general

[grizzled lily]

they should lessen the mods and put more rewards

[frigid wedge]

you can have eh clear and eh defences

[soft perch]

I think t17s were really good for the game because it actually forces you to build well rounded characters

[frigid wedge]

its a slider of defences and clear with defence at one end and clear at the other

[soft perch]

Also u cant offscreen in t17s really because of the layouts

[spice pecan]

well rounded = utterly ailment immune with no downsides

[grizzled lily]

t17 is alr profitable early tho, doing fortress day 1 is like what 1 yoke every 5 maps

[spice pecan]

[onyx adder]

Yea i dont think t17s require ungodly defenses in softcore either

[frigid wedge]

more u have of 1 the less u need of the other

[soft perch]

This is overreacting

[soft perch]

They don’t

[cobalt blade]

https://pobb.in/6KXKfigT-NYu dug out the last time i tried to pob the mess lmao

[soft perch]

It’s just people make much worse characters than they think they are

[cobalt blade]

it always looks almost playable

[soft perch]

Or get baited by pob or are willfully ignorant of their weaknesses

[bold scarab]

Or it just sucks

[onyx adder]

I happily spend ssf leagues in there with like 60k maxhits and its fine even with shit mods as long as my build isnt some fake ass pobwarrior shit that forgot all its qol

[soft perch]

T17s are way easier now with less map effect

[onyx adder]

Agree

[soft perch]

And everyone map effect maxxed when their build wasn’t capable

[frigid wedge]

where the hell is the intel from

[normal hedge]

t17s are getting massive changes this league hopefully

[cobalt blade]

yes

[frigid wedge]

theres like 100 flat on the entire gear set

[prime hill]

tbh

t17's as a idea was good

[coral summit]

the big t17 checks for me are ailment immunity+at least 80% crit reduction and ele max hit

[onyx adder]

Ppl are rly bad at understanding whats rippy too

[coral summit]

ele max hit is not that hard

[soft perch]

Ailment immunity is the most overrated thing in poe

[onyx adder]

U see ppl all the time regurgitating streamer shit about whats rippy

[coral summit]

but 80% crit reduction is surprisingly annoying as shit to get

[prime hill]

but it just forces you to go certain kind of build and actually made a lot of builds useless if you wanted to map for gains

[cobalt blade]

i honestly couldnt tell you i made this pob years ago now

[soft perch]

U are completely fine with brine king pantheon and less shock effect pantheon

[onyx adder]

And dont understand that its rippy for what theyre doing usually

[onyx adder]

Ppl should click the shock effect pantheon more tbh its a good patch

[coral summit]

solaris can kill every crit after the first, but the first one on a map with like +200 crit multi still fucks

[soft perch]

It is ye

[onyx adder]

Until u get real immunity

[frigid wedge]

lmfao

[soft perch]

It’s also really not important in sc

[prime hill]

ill miss the graft immunity

[soft perch]

It’s only important for delirious maps

[onyx adder]

If u rly need it early u can craft 40 chill 40 shock reduction on glove or boot

[normal hedge]

Flat from clusters and a lot of % lol

[cobalt blade]

https://pobb.in/XlhnGF-XNKc0 yo wait i found this one too looking around

why did i try pob it with fucking adorned

[spice pecan]

i feel like a lot of these points are pretty reductive especially when the majority of people would seem to disagree

[onyx adder]

And then ur freeze immune 90% chill reduc 100% shock reduc and u just get on with ur day

[cobalt blade]

why does it have stormrider boots on i am confused

[soft perch]

I think a majority of people are coping

[spice pecan]

just remove your crafted mod for x/y, just play softcore, etc

[prime hill]

t17 killed 80% of the builds for the game tbh

[whole bluff]

I mainly just mind t17 mods that either invalidate something I scale hard (like defences (drowning orbs), recovery (sirus/exarch)) or require that I in turn switch the mechanic completely off or I have no chance (reflect if hit build mainly). The rest can be frustrating, but in the end I get that it's on me to make a stronger character

[spice pecan]

i don't remember the last time i actually saw my health go partially down in t17s either

[frigid wedge]

desperation

[prime hill]

then I don't care for myself

[soft perch]

? Xd

[whole bluff]

Gear up etc or go meta before doing the hardest content

[prime hill]

I just build t17 characters usually

[frigid wedge]

naca can u pob mfa on scion?

[spice pecan]

usually i'm getting onetapped or nothing, idk

[prime hill]

when you can do t17's other than valdo maps and delve

[frigid wedge]

as a concept build

[onyx adder]

The point is heaps of ppl just straight up do not understand why their build is not performing

[prime hill]

theres nothing more else you can't do

[soft perch]

I just build good characters and they’re usually fine in t17s unless I’m running the worst mod combo ever

[cobalt blade]

am not suuuper experienced with MFA to know all of what it needs

[soft perch]

It’s rly not that deep as long as u are honest with yourself what makes a good character

[spice pecan]

i would agree, but I think there are a number of people who reasonably understand their builds and have legitimate complaints about how ass the mods are

[onyx adder]

Sometimes its unfixable but sometimes its an easy patch and sometimes that easy patch is a little bit nonstandard

[normal hedge]

Indigon and 999999 mana spent recently

[cobalt blade]

yeah id actually have to figure out the mana spend for that

[soft perch]

Block is in such an overpowered state atm that it’s not hard to trivialise t17s with a fairly average character

[cobalt blade]

that sounds like a pita

[onyx adder]

Look i mean some mods are not fun

[prime hill]

it's the main reason I didn't wanna try any other build until I had 5 mirrors in keepers when I made exsang reap trickster league starter tbh

[spice pecan]

this, i'm pretty sure i'm going to start glad next league

[onyx adder]

No damage for 3 per 10, yea sure im not defending that

[prime hill]

exsang mines is pretty much all mod immune

[spice pecan]

it can't run no regen

[soft perch]

Well glad isn’t very well rounded unless u play some very slow facebreaker shit it still struggles with damage

[prime hill]

it can

easily

[soft perch]

U don’t need to be glad to take advantage of block

[prime hill]

just get a panicked flask

[soft perch]

U also don’t need to run all mods u can just read

[whole bluff]

I can fail t17s. But I play things I wish would work more often than things that actually work. I don't think t17 is that bad aside from mods that just throw big chunks of the game out the window, or require me to throw the mods effects out the window cuz I'm immune (reflect)

[onyx adder]

Drowning orbs and volatile cores, not defending those either purely for the annoyance factor although if u actually die to those u deserve to be tossed in the woodchipper

[cobalt blade]

reading bad run everything

[spice pecan]

the other thing about t17s is failing them is extremely costly

[soft perch]

Volatile cores can defo just get u sometimes

[spice pecan]

i would much rather sell my t17s and just not have to think about them

tbh

[normal hedge]

idk glad is so bad

[cobalt blade]

volatiles with aoe can be a bit fucked on full mod effect

[spice pecan]

i will gladly stay in t16s until ubers

[cobalt blade]

or well they used to be before nerf to mod effect

[spice pecan]

and skip t17s entirely

[soft perch]

Drowning orbs needs action speed immunity in a lot of maps

[coral summit]

glad is less bad now that bloodlines are in the game

but it's still bad cuz theres legit only 4 points you go there for

[whole bluff]

Most of my deaths to drowning orbs this league were probably due to action speed reduction being additive and players having no lower cap

[coral summit]

other than ff bleed explosions for the dumbasses (see: me) who play bleed setups

[spice pecan]

3.26 i sat in heist/t16s until i got a build that could do ubers, then did ubers and worked backwards to t17s

[cobalt blade]

low key im blanking on what to even take on the ascend part

[whole bluff]

So chill + temp chains + drowning orb is just byebye in 3s

[spice pecan]

and i would have done that this league if i didnt burn out

[cobalt blade]

theres a few options that look okay but none of them look right

[normal hedge]

I rather play slayer with 75% block and actually have damage than playing glad bleed slop

[prime hill]

https://pobb.in/i5VQuTRmWEIr I should make some league start practice to get on bossing quick tbh

[coral summit]

its weird that glad and slayer exist side by side when literally every slayer notable except one is a 9 or 10/10

[fossil mural]

Bridge between maps and ubers ICANT

[prime hill]

uhhhh

[crisp obsidian]

drowning orbs when debuff duration affected how fast you died

[spice pecan]

maybe im just bosspilled but going from t16s to ubers is way easier for me

[crisp obsidian]

that was fun

[fossil mural]

Glad has interesting nodes

[normal hedge]

And actually having defensive layers like overleech, 7 endurance charges etc

[soft perch]

Idk if every slayer notable is a 9 or a 10 but it is very well rounded and multiplicative with itself

[prime hill]

t17's are not even a bridge between maps and ubers, that was their intention and it failed HORRIBLY

t17's are harder than ubers lol

[cobalt blade]

same but under the context of rolling 17's for loot

[fossil mural]

They need to buff that versatile node

[soft perch]

No they aren’t

[frigid wedge]

deadeye inquis?

[soft perch]

They’re different

[coral summit]

The retaliate stuff is neat, but for the most part the best way of playing retaliates is also just... not playing Gladiator, which is goofy as hell

[cobalt blade]

if you roll just to clear 17's are easier

[fossil mural]

I mean, t17 bosses are basically pinnacles

[prime hill]

maybe if you play fortress only

[frigid wedge]

maybe warden

[prime hill]

lol

[crisp obsidian]

ofc they are harder if you run mods you can't do lmao

[normal hedge]

Only if you roll 200% more life and life extra as ES but then it's skill issue

[cobalt blade]

i ran twist of fate ones at some point outta boredom

so all

with random bullshit go modd

[prime hill]

honestly lycia and heist boss is easy when you roll them to clear

but if you're not juicing t17s

why are you even playing t17s

[spice pecan]

i mean everyone "can" run -max, everyone "can" run +420% aoe, everyone "can" run phys as extra

[prime hill]

thats the exact point

[cobalt blade]

warden doesnt work since bow and idt the suppress is worth

[prime hill]

just do t16/16.5 farm

[coral summit]

like, if I went and looked at all of gladiator's notables
determined survivor/more than skill are your always pick nodes
weapon master is bad
violence and measured retaliation are "please steal me" with FF on slayer
jagged technique would be good if there weren't way, way easier ways to aggravate existing bleeds but there are so it's dogshit

[gritty epoch]

U can earn by boss rushing t17 tho

[whole bluff]

T17s are way easier than ubers imo

[fossil mural]

For frags

[crisp obsidian]

??

[fossil mural]

Cause they dont seem to scale much

Lul

[prime hill]

ig that's a thing

I did delirius frag farm out of boredom at ziggurat

[whole bluff]

Uber shaper is kind of a fake uber I guess

[cobalt blade]

but im caught up between inquis deadeye occultist and assassin maybe ele

[prime hill]

it's a brainless farm but eh

[frigid wedge]

so deadeye and inquis

[gritty epoch]

Boss rushing t17, especially if u sell challenges are insane profit

[spice pecan]

warden makes tincs work on ranged tho, no?

[cobalt blade]

Scion

[frigid wedge]

ascendant passive

[crisp obsidian]

I would call it the intro uber

[uneven gust]

ultimatum gameplay

[whole bluff]

I guess

[prime hill]

just doing ubers mid league was even more profit than frag farming but that's just me ig

[soft perch]

I am going to click ele hit slayer and I am going to farm t17s day 2 amen

We love ele hit slayer

[coral summit]

meanwhile on slayer, literally everything except endless hunger is just amazing or at least very good

[spice pecan]

yeah, i'll either play glad or something and try going t17s first

[crisp obsidian]

I hope slayer is nerfed

to shit

[spice pecan]

or i'll just play a boss killer again

[onyx adder]

Imo cortex is the intro uber

[prime hill]

but then I also did a lot of uber siruses

[normal hedge]

slayer is balanced

[cobalt blade]

I think id have to bring a full on mfa char to end game to understand how to rework it to scion tbh idk whats necessary for it

[frigid wedge]

the epilepsy build?

[onyx adder]

That thing has like 50hp

[crisp obsidian]

cortex can brick by just rolling bad mods tho

for your build

[prime hill]

which was the best margin uber for most of the keepers

[coral summit]

slayer is basically the elementalist of bottom side tree

change my mind

[cobalt blade]

and its not a thing you can rely on pob numbers for

[frigid wedge]

honestly duelist is the most balanced class in the game rn

imo

[coral summit]

it's just generically really good at almost everything.

[spice pecan]

it has no defenses if it isn't hitting anything

[cobalt blade]

technically its scion since all her balance is one ascend

[uneven gust]

nerf dlayer mean buffed trickster lol

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[cobalt blade]

Cant have variance :D

[soft perch]

Well slayer is specifically bis for ehit cuz impact is just cracked lul

[fossil mural]

Cant get +10 extra targets anymore KEKL

[whole bluff]

If youre good at shaper/ushaper, I could see ushaper being something you'd do before any t17 except possibly fortress (build dependant)

[onyx adder]

Yea for sure, imo its way easier on average tho

[soft perch]

I don’t even think penance mark is necessary

[cobalt blade]

i would include maven here

She is a pure skill check

[frigid wedge]

i should find out how to leaguestart valdo glad

[soft perch]

And Wdym u cant

[whole bluff]

If you can corroborate that. I just suck at maven

[soft perch]

Servant of arakaali couldn’t rly get the aoe for it

U need like 100% inc aoe or more for penance afaik

[frigid wedge]

me with 300

[soft perch]

Which requires carcass jack

[cobalt blade]

ive farmed uber of her on really scuffed setups

[soft perch]

Which sucks

[cobalt blade]

and regular even more so on scuffed rf lmao

[crisp obsidian]

yeah probably true, I just see the mechanic changes from shaper to uber shaper as better intro to ubers

than cortex to uber cortex changes

[prime hill]

once you learn maven and have atleast 1m dps and know to put puddles on middle

uber is easily doable on league start

[cobalt blade]

yup

[spice pecan]

yeah, uber maven is no problem

[normal hedge]

ele hit nerfs pls

[cobalt blade]

pure skill check dont be bad at memory game

[normal hedge]

Don't wanna play melee again

[spice pecan]

though it is easy to get overwhelmed at the 5 laser memory game

[fossil mural]

No grafts. And compares to phrecia no +2 ascendancy

[prime hill]

as long you don't get insta gibbed by lasers

its fine

[spice pecan]

yeah

[soft perch]

Ain’t nobody playing ac ehit

And yea no grafts but there’s probs some new borrowed power system

[opal ingot]

do yall circle maven's "stand still" lasers, or just move out of the laser's way by going horizontally

[leaden quiver]

i pob melee hit more and it keeps looking better and better

[prime hill]

I just blink out

[leaden quiver]

10000 ways to scale

[cobalt blade]

i stand still and blink behind the beam

[leaden quiver]

all multiplicative

[soft perch]

Blink over

[leaden quiver]

explosive concoction sounds good too but thats for a later build

[opal ingot]

thanks for the responses

[leaden quiver]

deal damage until theyre next to me, then just blink over

[spice pecan]

is stand still the opposite raking ones?

[fossil mural]

I call upon thee, @karmic gust

[opal ingot]

yeah

[cobalt blade]

its the 2 beams yeah

[whole bluff]

I tend to bob ross arena, run into beams, not be able to see entire screen cuz I fucked the fight up. And then I lose control and my mistakes due to lost control chip away at my portals as I struggle to get in dmg with whatever weird thing I'm playing

[soft perch]

Deathbeam did not play phrecia

[brazen vector]

People said im.stupid for league starting phrecia with chain of command and now im.closing in on 100m dps

[opal ingot]

and says no to ur regen

[cobalt blade]

one forward one backwards from the sky

[soft perch]

So that’s still correct

[spice pecan]

on uber i kinda weave out of the one coming in, and into the one going away

if that makes sense

[fossil mural]

He said ehit ac is better than slayer

[spice pecan]

but depends on the build, blinking out is fine too

[opal ingot]

is'nt it the same for uber and normal maven?

[cobalt blade]

no

normal doesnt disable regen

[opal ingot]

huhhh

oh

[spice pecan]

the uber one applies the no regen

[cobalt blade]

so you can just stand in it

[opal ingot]

but in terms of attack? still the same, right?

[cobalt blade]

(or well disable recovery entirely)

yea

[soft perch]

I think he’s maybe coping a bit unless he had enough aoe

[cobalt blade]

more damage on uber ofc

[opal ingot]

ok tyty

[spice pecan]

it's the same animation and stuff, just more dmg and no regen on uber yeah

[onyx adder]

It is a lot of easy ST tho

[karmic gust]

if i did i would play it tho :d

[soft perch]

U need enough aoe so that ur ele hit is 3.5 radius

[fossil mural]

I think its like 3.8-4m

[whole bluff]

I guess if I nailed 90% of memory games rather than 70%, I would struggle less with maven/umaven

[fossil mural]

On budget I had 3.8

[karmic gust]

getting enough aoe is easy, pob doesnt show correct ele hit aoe

[soft perch]

I mean that’s like a huge amount of aoe where is it coming from

I know it doesn’t

[spice pecan]

i mean at least you don't lose exp in pinnacles now

[prime hill]

pretty much

[soft perch]

It’s 1.4*1.8

[whole bluff]

Especially if I could nail memory games no matter where I am in arena

[prime hill]

all my uber maven gambas paid off since leagues

[cobalt blade]

low key just spend an hour doing some practice on final phase

[karmic gust]

you get 25% from jewel and then just tree and its enough

[prime hill]

I fail like 1 out of 100 memory games now

[spice pecan]

if i'm not on the left side during memory game i'm straight fucked

tbh

but i always make sure to get over there

[fossil mural]

I was def shotgunning reliably with it

[cobalt blade]

oh also remember that it can never go from right>left

[soft perch]

Ele hits base aoe is 2.5 with an ailment

[leaden quiver]

yeah

its 80% more radius

not more area

[opal ingot]

someone make a unity game for maven practice

[karmic gust]

this is slayer for example, ac can get same aoe

[fossil mural]

Still didnt like the build

Too much flashing

[cobalt blade]

theres one somewhere

[prime hill]

smol funni question

[soft perch]

But I also think penance mark is quite gimmicky and ehit works completely fine without the ring

[karmic gust]

becaue instead of aoe per endu you get the jewel

[leaden quiver]

brinkmanship my beloved

[fossil mural]

Like actual eye cancer

[prime hill]

would you guys rather ggg to nerf stacker builds or buff high end non stacker builds

[karmic gust]

and thats literally no investment just brinkmanship pulverise and blood and sand

[normal hedge]

Only with mtx. Without it is fine

[karmic gust]

and its 4 radius

and done

[leaden quiver]

nerf stacker builds

[cobalt blade]

buff stackers

[leaden quiver]

especially int

[soft perch]

I don’t like blood and sand

[cobalt blade]

but the stacker is spark stacking

[fossil mural]

It also had repeat

[whole bluff]

I prolly will I guess. I don't do a lot of bosses if their fragments are expensive. Usually I farm the bosses with the stable profit ridiculously much and almost completely avoid the gambles. But I will try to put myself in umaven practice rest of keepers, now and then at least

[soft perch]

Cuz it turns off flesh and stone

[prime hill]

with stacker I mean every kind of stacker

[soft perch]

Unless ur actively swapping

[prime hill]

charges etc aswell

[leaden quiver]

do you have space for flesh and stone?

[fossil mural]

Ac has 2 targets and a repeat at the previous location

[karmic gust]

its 17% more aoe and 17% more area damage

[leaden quiver]

if youre using skitters

[cobalt blade]

dont nerf armour stackers D:

[prime hill]

int is even a big outlier for stackers tbh

[karmic gust]

its op

[cobalt blade]

but make sure to nerf the dex stackers

[prime hill]

other than valdo armour stacker

[karmic gust]

why would you swap you just stay in sand stance forever

[leaden quiver]

armour stacker is fine because its super high floor

[soft perch]

Ok true im being stupid

[prime hill]

3 mirrors to tackle void valdos

[leaden quiver]

less dimeg D:

[soft perch]

Penance mark is still gimmicky tho

[prime hill]

my favorite 1 div starter

[cobalt blade]

iactually think its on the nerf bat because of group play

[soft perch]

And slayer does a lot better on nothing

[cobalt blade]

and only because of them

[karmic gust]

well you just use penance for single target

you are still investing into makin gyour clear way better than regular ele hit does

[prime hill]

but honestly

[karmic gust]

because it also scales your damage

[leaden quiver]

you mean penance mark with southbound?

[karmic gust]

so its just better in every way

[soft perch]

Ye but u have to weapon swap to turn off corrupting fever

[karmic gust]

imo

[leaden quiver]

or just regular penance mark

[prime hill]

I just prefer ggg to buff high end of non stacker builds

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[karmic gust]

and its not close

[soft perch]

Yes

[karmic gust]

yea but lol

[fossil mural]

The only real issue with the build, and its not an issue lets be real

[karmic gust]

you hve to do it once per fight

[cobalt blade]

to an extent buffing those buffs the stackers more since they just get a new tool to play with lol

[leaden quiver]

wait what fucking corrupting fever

im lost asf

[crisp obsidian]

it's actually super worth it

[prime hill]

sadly that's the real case aswell, oh well

[crisp obsidian]

like it's so good

the elehit penance mark thing

I played it

[leaden quiver]

why are you using corrupting fever

[prime hill]

im just hating the fact that my end game chase build is all stackers

even in keepers it was power/herald stacker

[soft perch]

Cuz then u kill everything

[cobalt blade]

ye its why as much as i hope they don't they'll prolly nerf stackers when buffing skills and stackers will still be your chase

[leaden quiver]

ah

[crisp obsidian]

to kill stuff

[leaden quiver]

for clear

got it

[fossil mural]

You are using the gloves that only let you kill frozen enemies

[opal ingot]

cuz u make too much money

[crisp obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WtuRCA-Aj8

[leaden quiver]

yeah just realised

[fossil mural]

And you cant freeze

[leaden quiver]

yeah because youre blocking cold

or non-critting precise

[fossil mural]

No

[prime hill]

maybe

[cobalt blade]

tf you mean its like sub 30 div to make stackers better than non stacker rn

[fossil mural]

You are using the secrets

[karmic gust]

but yea on AC its worse on low budget than slayer but it has way higher potential thats why i would play it

[fossil mural]

Or whats it called

[leaden quiver]

SoS

the interrogation yeah

okay thats cooked

[prime hill]

yeah I think the exsang I posted is like

1 and half mirrors

[cobalt blade]

Not too expensive

[fossil mural]

Actually not true, I dislike having to get regen block

[opal ingot]

oh thought you need a couple hundred before it gets better xd

[cobalt blade]

fairly reasonable to farm

[fossil mural]

Thats actually annoying

[cobalt blade]

nah

[prime hill]

I can get there with 200-300d of stacker build

[fossil mural]

But its not ac problem

Its penance mark problem

[prime hill]

yeah, I just used excess currency I have on pbod power/herald stacker

[leaden quiver]

@crisp obsidian ew the gem swap out

[prime hill]

which was like 5ish mirrors

[leaden quiver]

puked in my mouth

[cobalt blade]

stacker gear is cheap enough with tree existing rn your just buying necessary unique or w/e for your flat damage scaling and your golden

[fossil mural]

You dont need to gem swap

[crisp obsidian]

I had some reason to do it idr

[leaden quiver]

better make a wep swap

[leaden quiver]

u swapped out corr fever

[cobalt blade]

pog

[crisp obsidian]

I had like auras in shield or something xdd

[prime hill]

only content that was straight up annoying was

[leaden quiver]

to kill the boss iirc?

[crisp obsidian]

ye I know

[leaden quiver]

or smth

[fossil mural]

Probably doesnt have slots

Or something

To put it on wep

[crisp obsidian]

ah cause

[prime hill]

max deli beyond harbinger t17's with FUCKING WORLD SHATTERERS with cast/attack speed

[crisp obsidian]

I had automation - blood rage in my

[prime hill]

I HATE THOSE GOATS

[crisp obsidian]

weapon or shield

[prime hill]

JUMP ON ME MORE

[crisp obsidian]

so I didn't want to keep turning automation on again

so I just took cf off when I needed to xdd

[cobalt blade]

I see no issues

[prime hill]

but that was just the issue with how pbod build defences worked

[cobalt blade]

this just sounds like a good time

[fossil mural]

Why cant you just turn cf off, ggg

[prime hill]

even without svalinn

pathetic max physical hit

[crisp obsidian]

cause it's not a toggle

[cobalt blade]

Fuck svalinn bad shield

[prime hill]

yeah I went for the mirrored stacker shield instead

[fossil mural]

Yea why isnt it

[cobalt blade]

life/es on block so much better if you have semi decent max hit

[cobalt blade]

based

[prime hill]

yeah most of my issue in that session was

legit just getting 1 shot by the slams

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[prime hill]

world shatterers was just wild

and I could tank every uber

lmao

[crisp obsidian]

oh idk ask ggg :')

[prime hill]

im sure I overlooked some stuff on that build tho

https://pobb.in/6fn30J7d76aF sometime later I might just check a bit more

yeah no configs or anything at all cuz too lazy to dig it through 200 pobs I have

[cobalt blade]

I am judging you for that es flask leech suffix when you could spend 1 point on the tree

[prime hill]

but that was

so much tankiness

added by 1 point

[cobalt blade]

but you have zealots oath

That flask suffix is 6% regen

Or well 5.5%