1┃general

[cobalt blade]

strand breaches

[final owl]

if i logged into standard i would break my never logging into standard rule

[livid quarry]

never liked breach dont think there was good farming strate other than risk scarabs

[split maple]

I didn't think treetree is gonna stay

Wondering how much will they nerf it

[split maple]

Wisp it up

[cobalt blade]

it used to be good but hasnt been for a while :c

[final owl]

that is the sort of thing GGG is always coy about

[cobalt blade]

was my favourite mechanic for just fun maps though

before walls

[livid quarry]

[final owl]

man i wanted old breach in phrecia 2 so bad.

[cobalt blade]

shrines breach beyond alch n go(or full mini breach scarabs since they were usually dirt cheap lol)

[final owl]

just let me blast lots of mans :/

[onyx adder]

If they dont wreck it nobody will ever rog again lul

[split maple]

Rog wasn't eating good for a while now

Like settlers Gold and ship lucky gear

Merc with Merc lucky gear

Now tree

Actually 3.28 is gonna be expedition rework and all the teasers are just misdirection

[onyx adder]

3.28 expedition reward and all the kalguurans are in sekhema party masks

[final owl]

I would love for GGG to do this one time, though I am sure the wailing and gnashing of teeth would make it not worth it

[livid quarry]

hope its a crafting league like settlers, necro or crucible

been there for sett and necro

was able to make builds i wouldnt otherwise

good gear is cheap during craft leags

[crisp plinth]

Please no

Just give me a blaster league without walls

And no damn mini game

[final owl]

ground loot and crafting plx. somehow that will happen and be ok with still having a tree tree. trust.

[split maple]

I want raw divs in maps league

[dry tree]

Instructions unclear we're bringing back tota verbatim

[crisp plinth]

Guess I'll have to buy that damn D2r expansion then

[final owl]

I did that the other day

thus far I have not fallen back in love with D2

and continue to be confused by people who insist it is still the greatest ARPG of all time

[crisp plinth]

I just play PD2 with all the qol I want in place without paying for it and I even have an endgame

So 25 dollars was kind of a hard sell

[mental violet]

man i hate the annoucnement new breach is staying i hate the gameplay loop attached to it compared to the old one

[livid quarry]

iirc the new breach doesnt scale well or at all with map mods?

[final owl]

you are not alone. but at least new breach gets atlas and scarabs so hopefully we can still make a tolerable version

[livid quarry]

nvm

[split maple]

Blood and gifts barely scale

Loot does, but baseline loot from it is shite

[livid quarry]

yeah i skipped most breach

[split maple]

But still, if sky Fort spawned in scarb map it was like handful of scarbs from it

So some scaling is there

[livid quarry]

sky fort?

i know theres a fortress

[hexed mountain]

If it didnt take like 5 mins to run a fort it would be good

[final owl]

the loot-splosions from breaches are such a nothingburger outside of the gifts too

[mental violet]

the hives

= fort

[livid quarry]

i c

[split maple]

They rly should remove first 15 wavea

And make them spawn faster

[hexed mountain]

Do remember every fort you skip is a foulborn mageblood you miss tho

[final owl]

the only way i can see new breach not sucking is if they give enough control via scarabs and atlas to either remove it or juice it enough for it to not be boring / actually be rewarding

[split maple]

Eh if they give us 7 unstables per map and make rings also drop from rare mobs

It's fine for me

[mental violet]

being able to block it might be the play so i never have those damn walls removing all my native map spawns

[final owl]

sounds suspiciously similar to old breach to me 😛

[split maple]

I want my goddamned grasping mails

[mental violet]

i want my breachstones

[earnest raven]

Good point. But just do more dmg and 1 shot them. Jkjk

[final owl]

I mean you largely do for yellows. reds usually take some hits. the problem is the period in which they are sitting there wiggling on zero health waiting for einhar to do his thing

[modern zinc]

thinking about trying out frost blades

ice crash was not very successful

[spice pecan]

frostblades is okay

the nerf kinda hurt

[celest skiff]

they should cook up a unique chest that generates with 2 random grafts

[modern zinc]

I don't think they're gonna cook a previous league content's unique

[celest skiff]

hey it's been done, if we're counting back to rampage

[final owl]

grafts were the borrowed power part of keepers, it kinda makes sense they're gone

[bold scarab]

Frostblades is rough

[bold scarab]

They should have kept grafts in the game and added unique grafts

Also more than likely a fake graft would be a ring or an ammy slot

[final owl]

i don't think character power needs a permanent boost via grafts

[bold scarab]

Then remove all the power but keep the skills

[final owl]

If they just made the powers available via some other not-additional item slot sure

[crisp plinth]

Just make them gems

[cosmic eagle]

damn bro, back to back to back leagues going core

not in my bingo card for sure

one things for sure tho, fuck towers and imma go with unstable breach hands all the way

[tranquil sedge]

what the fuck is that update

tree of all fucking things is going core??

[split maple]

It all depends on how much they nerfing it

[cosmic eagle]

not gonna be mad at an easy way to get currency and gears im all for it

[tranquil sedge]

so either its useless and going core
or its useful and going core

neither is a good outcome

could they really not find a way to make foulborn drop damn

[bold scarab]

They already are

Well some

[cosmic eagle]

the faster the progression gonna be a.k.a campaign the better

tree is welcome fo shure

[tranquil sedge]

if you can't actually understand why tree isn't a good thing for permanent (non-seasonal) content that's a skill issue for sure

[opal ingot]

ure trolling

[split maple]

Big question is how much gifts and shit Will drop - like compare how early settlers recombi was accesible and now

[opal ingot]

let me check poe1 news

[tranquil sedge]

did you read it

[opal ingot]

surely

[split maple]

Due to Gold costs

[tranquil sedge]

#poe1-news

[tranquil sedge]

explain the wombgifts to me

[split maple]

Like if they make wombs idk div rare (they wont)

[bold scarab]

Bro is trying to be the onceler cutting down trees

[split maple]

You slap gift and blood into tree, you get stuff out

[tranquil sedge]

[bold scarab]

Lol

[split maple]

Controling drop rates of these two can make it rly op or not for early prog

[opal ingot]

🥹

[tranquil sedge]

the chances of potentially skipping another league have gone up wew

[onyx adder]

I got no problem with tree staying its just a semi controllable item generator that doesnt require much thinking

[opal ingot]

have faith fellow soldier

[bold scarab]

The real question is if next league is a big bossing league or a clearing one like this one

[opal ingot]

surely they will balance it

[cosmic eagle]

5-6 links easy with tree

[onyx adder]

Pretty much every actual issue with tree going core is balance not design

[split maple]

They need to do smh with expedition if tree goes core even balanced enough

[tranquil sedge]

tree is the only source of foulborns right?

[split maple]

It's cutting too much into rog niche

[bold scarab]

It's ballanced

[split maple]

Also drop from fort

[onyx adder]

Thats the one design problem ye

[tranquil sedge]

oh okay

[cosmic eagle]

rog getting buried every league

[onyx adder]

Its too close to some other item sources that alrdy exist

[tranquil sedge]

rog only gets shafted in crafting leagues

[lucid gale]

[opal ingot]

thats why in 3.29 they're touching expedition

[tranquil sedge]

except this would make it more consistent, the shafting

[bold scarab]

Rog is still gonna be more relevant than gwennen

[cosmic eagle]

tree and potentially mercs coming back for 3.28 Rog gonna cry in the corner

[onyx adder]

But like if ur worried about easy 6ls or whatnot thats just balance

[bold scarab]

Easy 6 links is good thing

The socket system sucks in poe1

[opal ingot]

i wonderh ow theyll balance the tree though, will they cut down the effects by half? 60%? 75%?

30%?

[cosmic eagle]

yep that's why tree is very welcome for people who wants campaign to be done with asap

[tranquil sedge]

yea the tree doesn't change shit about how fast teh campaign is lol

gold gamlbers already took care of that

ur not going to magically run ur campaign hours faster coz tree exists

if u took 20h u aint suddenly only taking 10h

[cosmic eagle]

yeah it helps 100%

[tranquil sedge]

if you took 10h ur not magically just taking 8h now

[opal ingot]

i agree. got no time for league mechanics while we're bumrushing da campaign

[bold scarab]

You don't get nearly enough gold to use the gambler good in the campaign ... Unless it's not your first char

[tranquil sedge]

it doesn't do shit to make campaign faster by that much

[cosmic eagle]

it helps campaign and levelling to get good links and gears 100%

[opal ingot]

aand 4 link is all u need to beat all the bosses as long as you're not using some crap like kbolt levelling

[tranquil sedge]

i've already explained to you in the past why your entire argument is biased by this to the point where there is no 'argument' at all, its just you hating the mechanic so you'd welcome anything to replace it at all

[bold scarab]

See that's the problem ... Why can't we level with kbolt ... Skillcist

[tranquil sedge]

so there's absolutely zero point in explaining anything to you

[onyx adder]

Tbf tree gear helps the 20h guy much more than the 5h guy

And the 4h guy isnt using tree ever

[opal ingot]

my friend is a kbolt player too so i can't be skillcist

[cosmic eagle]

[onyx adder]

But yea i mean its not changing much

[tranquil sedge]

yeh but even if yo handed every single player a 6 link do you think those 20h players are going to become faster lol

[bold scarab]

Ah the "I have a kbolt friend so I cant be skillcist strat" /j

[tranquil sedge]

nope

they'll just do the same slow run with more dps

[onyx adder]

Where tree right now helps a lot is it means a lot of builds dont need to farm in low reds

But thats just balance

[cosmic eagle]

true true

[tranquil sedge]

but yea if tree isn't nerfed which it probably will be tho, rog tujen and harbinger is gonna need some updates

[bold scarab]

Nah you'll still farm in low reds

[opal ingot]

gneiunely though

[onyx adder]

And new tree might be good at other things

[opal ingot]

where did i go wrong with kbolt

[tranquil sedge]

go play kbolt as a delivery for cf

[opal ingot]

is it just not meant for 4-6hour campaign rush

[tranquil sedge]

then its fun

kb+reap cf

[onyx adder]

I should try kbfrag leveling i never did it

It looked bad

[tranquil sedge]

was my leaguestarter in 3.20

[bold scarab]

I think people just brute force it by using 2-3 spellslinger kbolts

[cosmic eagle]

not to mention mercs might come back this league, they postponed it for 3.27
easy gearing from campaign to mapping

[opal ingot]

somepeople hated merc but i love the shit out of it LMAO

if true, im happy af

[tranquil sedge]

https://pobb.in/XAieez91z760
this is where i ended up on that leaguestarter before i went pspark

ignore the part where it says 3.22 that was 3.20

[bold scarab]

Give us merc UI for AG ... And remove the shitty permadeath until you roll a whole new map for AG

[opal ingot]

do u have your pobs stored in your pc, or in your account

[tranquil sedge]

pc

i dont have a pobb.in account

[opal ingot]

ah

[cosmic eagle]

just dont expect them that they can wear doryani again, they might nerf them down to just only a viable aura bot

[bold scarab]

Also hear me out ... Delete AG of smiting ... But use the merc UI that needs to be added to give AG a skill xD

Only 1 main skill tho

[tranquil sedge]

part of why they could live on doryani was how easy it was to give em defenses

like inherently tanky by default and then u can make them super tanky super easily on top too

[tranquil sedge]

the other part was ofc killing things before they hurt them

if they make em weak bois then that might balance it

[cosmic eagle]

yep, they might just turn them into scion i mean free aurabot is free + it scales my drops

[opal ingot]

yeah i can resign myself to that

but if they keep doryani

[tranquil sedge]

or if they reduce unique effects on them

[opal ingot]

what the hell are they thinking

[tranquil sedge]

or whatever else

[tranquil sedge]

lets be honest tho

monkey's paw curls and doryani's gets nerfed instead

[opal ingot]

or maybe just add a line on the doryani

related to mercs

[cosmic eagle]

as long as they can wear cheap uniques and rares that can give me aura mercs will be on my side 24/7

[bold scarab]

This is ggg ... They will be un functional hot garbage like 99% of spectres

[tight plinth]

just give me the quant baby

[cosmic eagle]

lmao, you really think if they dont wear doryani they are trash? you havent seen a mapping mercs where the player is the aura bot?

[opal ingot]

idgaf if buildcrafting for merc is just slap in an aura bot item in each slot, if number go up, me happy

[bold scarab]

I've seen it ... I said they will nerf it to be a dysfunctional wreck

[opal ingot]

guess the doryani nerf

i think theyll make it so that the resistance only applies to you hitting them

[bold scarab]

Not doryani ... The merc or AG or whatever

[cosmic eagle]

the doryani nerf is 100% there, other than that merc without it is pretty balance

[bold scarab]

The minion itself

[bold scarab]

Doryani already got gutted when we lost -200 lightning res down to -100

[cosmic eagle]

dude it's not a doryani item nerf

nerf mercs so that they cannot wear doryanis

duuuuuh

[bold scarab]

Ye but then they won't be able to wear anything else either

You don't ballance around the extreme outliers without fucking over the middle 80%

[tight plinth]

? doryani is capped at -100?

since when?

[cosmic eagle]

how come? if they only code mercs so that they cannot wear doryani only then it's fine lmao

[bold scarab]

Pretty sure? Since the day that kalandra ended and -res came back

[cosmic eagle]

mirror crafting for merc was nice

[opal ingot]

i haven't seen mirror crafting for mercs lmao

[bold scarab]

Pretty sure you can still get more than -100 but the stat caps at -100

[opal ingot]

let me check one

[cosmic eagle]

the rings for doryani mercs became so expensive

[opal ingot]

oh u mean that

yeah i was in on that money

and the thing is i stumbled on it, and it became my biggest money maker for 3.26 xd

"why are there cogworks with 2 mods and exactly the modifiers i need for doryani"

[cosmic eagle]

yep they were for doryani any lightning enjoyers

70% of the players

nerfed trickster only for the mercs to gift them more power

[fickle glen]

Does the modifier “more damage” cancels out “less damage” if it’s higher?

[opaque wing]

They do not cancel, they are multiplicative

For example, you have a 50% less damage mod, you'd need 100% more damage to get back up to the same spot as before

[opal ingot]

bring back +50 life mastery

[fickle glen]

That doesn’t make sense, why is it like that?

[opal ingot]

more/less is just juicier

[potent bramble]

So if the Tree is going core, and grafts are not, presumably we'll have some way to increase blood gained via atlas passive or scarabs? I wonder how that'll impact the value of wombgifts. I'm expecting overall value to go down, because we'll see fewer breach encounters & thus get less blood/gifts to use.

[opal ingot]

and scarcer

[opaque wing]

More/Less is always multiplicative in PoE. I assume what you're hoping is that the two modifiers are summed together as one final modifier, but that's now how it works.

[cosmic eagle]

chance that you dont need blood you just need wombgifts to drop and put in tree

[opal ingot]

you deal 200 damage
50% less damage = 100
if you get 50% more damage it's just 150, if its 100% it's back to 200, since yknow multiplicative with other different sources of more/less

[tranquil sedge]

because X times 0.5 is 0.5X
to get back to X you need to now multiply by 2 not 1.5

[cosmic eagle]

but the chance of wombgifts dropping will be nerfed probably

[potent bramble]

That would be... interesting. I kinda hope it doesn't work that way, tbth

[opal ingot]

more/less is not 200 damage * (all sources of more/less modifier multipliers added together)

[tranquil sedge]

every league mechanic has atlas nodes for it so if blood exists there's probably nodes for it, good chance

[fickle glen]

I hate decimals but yes I guess it makes sense

[opal ingot]

like it's not 200 * (2 - 0.5)
it's 200 * ( 2 * 0.5)

i just learned this yesterday too

[tranquil sedge]

that is also why 'more damage' isn't diminishing returns like 'increased damage'

[opal ingot]

i thought sources of more/less multipliers were additive with each other, and that they were only so effective because increased/decreased was so diluted

turns out nah

[potent bramble]

Yeah, blood nodes would be my expectation as well, or scarabs. Iirc sulphite is scarabs, isn't it?

[opal ingot]

imagine new players seeing the trickster ascendancy notable though

"3% damage per mastery? wtf this isn't worth a point"

[tranquil sedge]

its now 2% 😄

[opal ingot]

i wonder, does poe2 highligh more/less and increased/decreased in the tooltip

[potent bramble]

Either way, my biggest worry would be that easy access to mid-good gear like that will screw over the economy, and people will only be buying the best gear. Which would be sadge

[opal ingot]

i think it would be cool if more/less was colored so casuals can get curious about it

and they'd know that more/less is HUGE

rather than stumbling on it in the internet

[tranquil sedge]

we've seen how they do the UI in poe2

they'll fuck it up somehow nty

their weird underlining shit is all over the place

lacks consistency and looks ugly since its enabled by default not with press alt

[opal ingot]

:(

[split maple]

The only thing I want to know that for sure won't be in patchies is how usable will tree be for printing unique jewels

[tranquil sedge]

how usable will tree be
does that depend on gifts droprate

[potent bramble]

Also how they'll handle expanding the tree, IF blood isn't a thing for some reason

[opal ingot]

compensated by a scarab that massively boosts wombgift droprate and is 200c in the market

[split maple]

Rn it was one jewel per 20 wombs with tree speced for them

[fickle glen]

I think that would be smart, make damage tiers go from white to yellow to orange and then red

[cosmic eagle]

if they nerfed wombgifts drop rate to the ground it would be glorious

[opal ingot]

then like what srev said, theyll put colors EVERYWHERE so it doesn't matter anyway XD

[runic raptor]

I gotten a ps5 for my birthday yesterday

[opal ingot]

gz! happy for you

[cosmic eagle]

sell ps5, buy a proper pc and play poe the proper way

gzzz

[potent bramble]

Happy birthday. Also turn a light on or something, save your peepers

[fickle glen]

You guys make those devs out to be special eds but they made this game afterall

[tranquil sedge]

would that be considered a form of balance for thr tree

[full lava]

question good sirs i js finished the campaign and i feel like i hit a brickwall how do i start my endgame journey?

[crisp obsidian]

Oh nose economy is ruined next league :( the tree exists :( equipment items aren't worth to pick up :(

[tranquil sedge]

#1┃after-acts-help 😄

and post a link to your build too

[fickle glen]

It will be helpful for starters

[potent bramble]

I have no doubts that the devs are 100% capable of getting the game to whatever point they feel it's supposed to be at. But that doesn't inherently mean their goal and the players' definition of "best" have to be the same lol

For me, I want to be drowning in loot and number go brr. It's not sustainable at scale, but it's what's most fun for me individually

[tranquil sedge]

chris was the main brain behind this game btw
he's not been here for some time now, jon and mark only took over as directors after he left
so they were handed a working game to start with

-# they also made poe2 lol

nobody's saying they're special ed, least of all myself, i have always said they're capable of making excellent content

its just their vision does not overlap with players' vision and then we point out why what they did sucks

ability do excellent work does not mean excellent work comes out if ur vision is bad

[tranquil sedge]

It's not sustainable at scale, but it's what's most fun for me individually
this is a seasonal game with resets to economy every season

players will play even if loot is beyond plentiful

it won't affect long-term game health unless something strange happens

like a league where they nerf the shit out of loot suddenly

-# i wonder where i got that idea

[fickle glen]

Does standard mode ever get reset?

[tranquil sedge]

no

[fickle glen]

Phew

[tranquil sedge]

that is the point of playing standard

to avoid resets

[potent bramble]

Right, but if every league had infinite loot, then it would stop feeling like we had infinite loot - it would be the new 'normal'. So I recognize that from a development perspective, there has to be some level of up/down movement on how much loot there is, so it doesn't become stale

[nimble cedar]

do standar price is higher or lower than league?

[tranquil sedge]

standard prices are all over the place i can't answer that xd

[nimble cedar]

how much chaos 1 div in standar?

[potent bramble]

Not suggesting we should have zero loot leagues, but I appreciate the need for variance even if I don't like experiencing it lmao

[tranquil sedge]

dunno would have to check faustus

[crisp obsidian]

Higher numbers, less actual value

[opal ingot]

becauise in standard, tons of players have unlimited money, and the waiting time for their items to sell is also unlimited, prices are jacked up to be extremely high ESPECIALLY for legacy items that can't be obtained anymore

however, with the existence of async trading, prices have been much more bearable

[tranquil sedge]

that is the stated reason btw for not having every league be like affliction

ur not wrong about that

Not suggesting we should have zero loot leagues
but when this happens ye nobody's having fun

[fickle glen]

I seen some players with over 5 years of waiting for a sale in the market lol

[solid laurel]

If they don't nerf hive fortresses I have a feeling we're going to see some pretty absurd loot explosions next league

[nimble cedar]

i feel like phrecia market kinda dead atm

3 days to end

[opal ingot]

go sit in global chat

[crisp obsidian]

The biggest issue with affli type of leagues is that the next leag is gonna always feel worse for players

[opal ingot]

bound to be giveaways there XD

[tranquil sedge]

yep

[opal ingot]

theres your 40d hr strat

[tight plinth]

thats the osrs strat

giff 5m for bond please

[potent bramble]

100%, and unfortunately it puts the devs in a no-win situation. Nerf loot and players complain, don't nerf loot and the game gets stale

[tranquil sedge]

dancing for 20k

trimming armor for 30k

buying gf 50k

[spice pecan]

trimming armor free

[crisp obsidian]

The "find all the osrs streamers doing giveaways in discord" strat?

[tranquil sedge]

that's a bit misleading

don't nerf loot and the game gets stale
the main thing preventing the game from going stale isn't loot changes

its league mechanics and balance passes and new skill metas

the ground loot rates could be the same for the next 10 leagues in a row, they'd still be fun if u got good league mechanics or shakeups to meta

[crisp obsidian]

Not necessary, more that if you have a high loot league like affliction then the next league that is not high loot is gonna feel ultra ass, doesn't even have to be loot nerfs

[potent bramble]

True, the new mechanic every few months does a lot of heavy lifting for longevity

[potent bramble]

I would say going from high loot in a specific setting to normal loot in a 'baseline' setting is still gonna feel like a nerf to the average player, almost a passive nerf (as opposed to active nerf via patchnotes)

Not that they're right just that it'd feel that way

[tight plinth]

giff us more teasers ggg

[dusky iron]

Gg 3.28 will be dead within 2 weeks again cause tree will print enough gear to finish whole endgame. Bye bye essence/fossil/legion farmers or harby for fractering t1

[tight plinth]

why is everyone acting like every player will be specced into breach and will then flood the market with gear?

[potent bramble]

Legion farmers will probably still be a thing, unless the tree can drop timeless jewels

[tranquil sedge]

unless it get balance changes

normally when things go core they tend to get big nerfs

in this case nerfing tree nodes and nerfing wombgift droprates could both be levers

not that i like the idea of tree core at all but well if its happening

patch notes might be able to salvage it? /shrug

[dusky iron]

Why spec essence if u can just do breaches

[potent bramble]

Ez solution - remove the crafting tree on the tree. You get currency, uniques, and mystery - and uniques can only be foulborn, with rebalanced weighting to ensure it's not broken by the smaller pool of possible drops

[crisp obsidian]

Essences have mods that don't exist in tree gear, fossils suck to use anyways, legion has nothing to do with gear and harbies need an overall buff anyways

[tranquil sedge]

if u want to pick mechanics that it mainly impacted u got better examples lol

legion, expedition and harbinger are better options there xd

[opal ingot]

cool

[tranquil sedge]

but yea this ^

hey @crisp plinth did ya see the update 😄

[crisp plinth]

Yes about the worst case happened

As is typical

[tranquil sedge]

[potent bramble]

Pray for harb buffs, for real. Also let me replace the sound effect so I can make the Blue Man do the music

[crisp obsidian]

Hows this the worst case

[crisp plinth]

How's it not, walls exist or you spend points, tree is ass, bosses gone

[dusky iron]

Mark said in .27 they are doing smth to harby and its a 50 50 if its in the patch. Didnt drop in keepers sooo..... surely now then, right?

[potent bramble]

Don't do this. Don't give me hope.

[crisp obsidian]

Walls suck yes but I trust they change em, hows bosses gone :0 and tree can be made good

[dusky iron]

No fr i can check later the keepers qna

[crisp plinth]

Breachstone fights got removed effectively

And swapped for a single fight

[crisp obsidian]

Ahhhhh

Yeye

[tranquil sedge]

they also said in a past q&a session that sanctum nerfs were rushed and not fully done properly

[crisp obsidian]

You meant that

[crisp plinth]

Breachstones also gone for ez exp

[crisp obsidian]

Ic ic

[tranquil sedge]

so sanctum update would be possible* too

[potent bramble]

I would be irrationally excited for legit harb buffs

[tranquil sedge]

divine shards wen

[crisp obsidian]

Agreed, they need to keep nerfing it so they can remove it later on 🙏

[tranquil sedge]

#MakeHarbingerGreatAgain

[dusky iron]

Im most excited for t17 rework they talked abt last qna aswell

[opal ingot]

i just heard from ggg, theyre gonna make sacred orbs thenew divine orbs

[tranquil sedge]

unless they make it so t17s aren't the ONLY source of uber fragments

no amount of reworking or updating them is going to fix anything lol

[dusky iron]

Same. Ive been farming harbi now for 3 leagues

[potent bramble]

So naturally it's just gonna be "Boss Harbingers are now red, to make them more visually distinct from the normal blue Harbingers"

[tawdry olive]

color blind people be like: you wot?

[potent bramble]

And that'll be it for Harb notes

[tranquil sedge]

blue da ba dee

[potent bramble]

Are there red/blue colorblind people? I thought that pairing was usually considered safe

[tawdry olive]

i have no idea, but one way to fix that would be to make this song play every time a boss harbinger appears

[potent bramble]

I know blue/orange is one of the best options to be colorblind-friendly

[tawdry olive]

and then, each individual boss harbinger plays its own track, so you could have multiple at the same time overlapping

[potent bramble]

Also green/pink is good, I think

[tawdry olive]

for some real shit, if there's visual clutter why not audio clutter too

[crisp obsidian]

Ye make every map have full volume hardstyle blasting constantly

Would play more pls add ggg

[potent bramble]

Alternatively, it's all that instrument with the pvc pipes and the slapper sticks, so the whole soundtrack is just wub-by slaps

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTsaS1Tm-Ic

[potent bramble]

Can even be slaps to the tune of that song

[potent bramble]

Also this would actually not surprise me too much. It'd be a good way to keep them relevant, since they still drop exalt shards after the exalt/divine swap a while back

[crisp obsidian]

Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite dota 🔥

[whole bluff]

Bästa låten! 🔥

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-dj-dj-pepe-pepe-disco-disco-pepe-gif-8660142552500654368

[tranquil sedge]

yep, since they dropped ex shards before the rework too

[tight plinth]

is divine the only "big" currency without a shard?

[crisp obsidian]

There is a reason they wanted to change exalts and divines

Shards too op

[tranquil sedge]

the reason was timeless jewels lol

[tight plinth]

whys that?

[tranquil sedge]

they got upset that players figured out timeless jewel seeds

[tight plinth]

oh

[tranquil sedge]

and before the recipe was 6 link = divine at vendor

[tight plinth]

they still holding on to that

[potent bramble]

Uhh. Depends on what you consider big, I guess - sacred orbs don't, those are pretty rare

[tranquil sedge]

eh
it was a good change

it certainly helps that exalt slamming is affordable now

but yea the main motivation was timeless jewels

[tight plinth]

tbf, that made no sense, now it kinda makes sense

[heady cliff]

you want 300 hinekora's hair combining into hinekora's lock?

[tight plinth]

yes

[tranquil sedge]

now i want to see this LOL

[crisp plinth]

Just remove timeless jewels and make it explicit what they do imo

[potent bramble]

Oh true, locks don't have a shard. I am le poor, so locks didn't cross my mind lol

[tranquil sedge]

why

[tight plinth]

same

[tranquil sedge]

its fun 😄

[crisp plinth]

Because it's not fun if it's solved by external tools imo

The more info you have in-game the better

[tranquil sedge]

i think that ship sailed a long time ago :/

[tight plinth]

minions 😭

[tranquil sedge]

but also like if being solved by external tools is the problem

they're the game devs

they can just change how it works

[tight plinth]

how did people play minion pre-pob

[tranquil sedge]

poof now that tool is useless

[tight plinth]

they just vibed it out?

[tranquil sedge]

change the algo that determines what seeds do what

[potent bramble]

I'd probably aim for somewhere in the middle. Maybe assigned socket/requirements and a guaranteed change for the keystone, but then the travel/minor nodes are randomized still?

[tranquil sedge]

pob is old

[tranquil sedge]

keystones are guaranteed already

thats why u have the names on each jewel

each one transforms keystones to specific one

[potent bramble]

Like "this gem requires X strength in radius, and changes Y keystone to do ABC" as part of the tooltip

[tranquil sedge]

changes Y keystone to do ABC
would be nice alt text

if i could hold alt and know balalbalbablbbu was traitor

[crisp obsidian]

Same way they played any build

[potent bramble]

Also the fact that multiple values can get the changes you care about makes things confusing, though obviously that's more of an intentional design choice than anything

[tranquil sedge]

minions were only added in 2016

this is true and factual and definitely not incorrect

[potent bramble]

A way to make that more readily available to players in-game would be nice, but I do think fully de-randomizing it would work against part of the design of the jewel in the first place

[whole bluff]

So wombgifts will now just drop and not require blood?

[cobalt blade]

click nodes and pray

[potent bramble]

Unclear. Grafts won't exist, blood will either not exist or work (presumably) like sulphite

[cobalt blade]

clearly youll just drain your own blood into it

[whole bluff]

But blood was stored in grafts that are deleted and blood currently stored is deleted, with no replacement mentioned

[potent bramble]

*in terms of just being collected magically by the player

[cobalt blade]

this wouldnt be hard to change

[whole bluff]

Imo the simplest reading is they just deleted blood though

[cobalt blade]

Like even currently if you unequip a graft but your other one has space itll move all the blood

same with replacing grafts

they just decided no graft=deletes all and could just not do that

[potent bramble]

But if you unequip both grafts prior to equipping new ones, it voids the blood

[cobalt blade]

Yeah

[whole bluff]

But if blood just became account bound instead of in grafts, deleting blood wouldn't be necessary

[sterile depot]

Damn I never expected the tree to stay lol..

I hope they nerf it to the ground atleast.

[onyx adder]

We just played SRS and zombies that were OP enough u didnt need pob

Spectres were way too annoying for more than 1% of the playerbase to actually play

Power aside

[whole bluff]

Spectres were OP though

Was fun just picking your favourite mob and have it wreck maps

[cobalt blade]

people having spectre banks for when they lost em

[potent bramble]

Might be a circumstance where you only get X blood as a maximum and they don't want to deal with players complaining about losing blood they had stored or something.

Could also absolutely just be no blood at all. Hopefully we'll get clarification at some point, especially if they meant for that post to have a more clear implication

[whole bluff]

Flicker vendigos was fun

On spectre

[whole bluff]

I guess

[opal ingot]

we need more spectre qol

[whole bluff]

We need a summon vendigo

[runic raptor]

I be gaming at 1 am accidentally sent this to a diablo 2 discord sever lol

[potent bramble]

Having them not get poof'd when they die is already a massive qol upgrade, tbf. Not really sure what else they could do, other than improving corpse targeting

[whole bluff]

"Summons a nightmarish Vendigo to flicker strike your enemies."

[onyx adder]

So back in the day spectre level was capped by zone level

If u were in a t1 map ur spectres were level 68

Spectre banks being annoying is just the tiny tip of the iceberg with that skill

[whole bluff]

Ah, wait I didn't play spectres in 2016

[potent bramble]

It's tied to player level now, right? Or am I mistaken

[onyx adder]

Needing to care about desecrate lev

[whole bluff]

I played after giga buffs in 2018-2019

[onyx adder]

Hooooly

[cobalt blade]

ya i know

[crisp obsidian]

gem level

[cobalt blade]

I didnt play then but have looked thru alot of shit digging up old tech

[onyx adder]

Spectre was purely a skill for the neurodivergent

[whole bluff]

Spectres lost so many gem lvls effectively since 2018

Or 2019

Old lvl 16 is prolly new lvl 25

[onyx adder]

I mean 3.8 buffed all minions to the point that it took literally 10 patches of nerfs for ggg to bring em back in line

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[cobalt blade]

feel like this is offset by shit like wraith lord for a bunch of extra max spectres and flat

[crisp plinth]

Back in the day even skeleton and dervish were strong enough for all content

[onyx adder]

All y'all think ggg cant balance poe u shoulda seen state of game in 3.6 through 3.9 i was pretty close to quitting for good

[cobalt blade]

just there's very few good spectres only really being hydra and frostbearers off the top of my head for damage

[whole bluff]

It was fun when you could pick a fun mob for spectre, rather than find that one OP mob from a league mechanic that is so out of line it's actually playable

[whole bluff]

Damn

[crisp obsidian]

ye back in the days with 0 content smh

[cobalt blade]

those old skele builds surely could clear ubers smh

[sterile depot]

Something sparked around Synthesis

[onyx adder]

There were no ubers til like

3.19

Way past when actual skeles were good

Skele mages were good at OG ubers but different build different time

[cobalt blade]

i know it was sentinel that added them im jus taking the piss since one of the reasons shit like that isnt viable is powercreep

other shit got too strong ggg made harder content over nerfing

didnt buff old good things

[fickle glen]

Do speed modifiers multiply the same way reservation efficiency does?

[whole bluff]

I tried to do some kitava in maps challenge, used a 1L raise skeleton to lower my dmg and cast once, they cleared the entire fight

[potent bramble]

One of the constraints on spectres is no uniques, right?

[whole bluff]

On my summoner in maybe blight

[onyx adder]

?

[tranquil sedge]

example?

[potent bramble]

As in you cannot summon a unique enemy as a spectre

[cobalt blade]

no?

oh

That yeah

[crisp obsidian]

3.18 🤓

[onyx adder]

That's correct

[cobalt blade]

tho it has bugged a few times

[fickle glen]

Things like “more quickly” of the base timer

[cobalt blade]

people managed to spectre thee unique mob that used to spawn in wildwood

[tight plinth]

i would love sirus as a spectre

[onyx adder]

Yes, the math is the same

X% faster math is analogous to x% MRE math

[coral crystal]

12 sirus

[potent bramble]

That's a shame. I can think of half a dozen mobs that would be amazingly fun to use as spectres - and that's specifically excluding bosses still

[cobalt blade]

do you mean like debuffs expire 100% faster

[tranquil sedge]

and this article can help if you want more info too

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Duration

[cobalt blade]

would bring debuff from 4>2 sec

[fickle glen]

Thx

[tight plinth]

oooh or a maven spectre, than forces mobs into a memory game when it dies

[fickle glen]

Exactly what I was looking for

[cobalt blade]

nah it should force you into one if you let her die

[crisp obsidian]

nono, players

[potent bramble]

Oozeback, that troll Shaman thing from Ritual, several of the Sanctum mobs, some of the Heist mobs...

[opal ingot]

when the mob fails the memory game it hits you too

[cobalt blade]

If you succed she resses if not you lose the map

[opal ingot]

man that reminds me

phrecia maven was so fucked up man

[cobalt blade]

Eh shes fine

[opal ingot]

that double laser was just absurd. idk how gauntlet players managed to beat that shit

[cobalt blade]

just takes a few attempts to get used to the double pattern

[opal ingot]

🥹

[tranquil sedge]

example from one of the links in that artcile

[tight plinth]

double enraged uber elder was kinda fun

[potent bramble]

Oh, that captain in act... 8? The one who does the super firestorm thing and absolutely sucks to deal with if you're running on junk gear

[crisp obsidian]

can we have problem: solution: posts back

pls ggg

[opal ingot]

i went from 0 deathingmaven's memory game to taking all 6 portals and barely beating her XD

[tight plinth]

i forgot about those

[tranquil sedge]

problem: jiji
solution: no jiji

[cobalt blade]

i had possessed on uue at some point iirc was fun

[crisp obsidian]

y'all jijicist

[tranquil sedge]

u pay for 6 portals

u use 6 portals

[cobalt blade]

oh and my voidstone ue was hasted phys as extra

that was fun on day 2 gear

[cobalt blade]

do it 5 more times surely it clicks in your head eventually :3

[opal ingot]

dman i didn't check my voidstone mods

[opal ingot]

i doubt it, i'lll probably need a hundred more

since im still not totally used to just single lasers

[cobalt blade]

ah fair enough

[opal ingot]

i am confident i can git gud though, just give me tons of time

oone of the things i learned from playing tekken and calamity xd

[potent bramble]

Also in my copium-fueled dreams: Cyclone as a viable skill when having a fishing pole equipped. This is one of many, many hills I will die on

[opal ingot]

everyone can do it

u just need patience and a clear head

[cobalt blade]

Yup

[opal ingot]

thats why i dont buy it when people say it's impossible for them or they're too garbage/ 0 skilled for a game like tekken

[cobalt blade]

what i think about valdos as well

[opal ingot]

maybe in 15 years ill take valdo farming seriously

[tranquil sedge]

eh

i think u skipped a few steps there

[cobalt blade]

will say for games like tekken you can have slow reaction times etc you physically cant speed up because of disabilities

[tranquil sedge]

reaction speed is very much a thing in games like that

[opal ingot]

oh if you have a disability, then sure

but even if with below avarege reaction time, you can still thrive in tekke nsurprisingly

[tranquil sedge]

no lol just general reaction times in completely normal people

that determines ur ceiling i reckon

[opal ingot]

the main thing you will see new players complai nis that snake edges and throws are too fast for them

[tranquil sedge]

but yea same as poe or anything at all rly
most ppl not reaching optimal even within their limits

[opal ingot]

but it's genuinely just muscle memory

[potent bramble]

I don't have a disability (that I know of) but I do have remarkable brain-to-hand lag

[cobalt blade]

Same but only on my left hand

[tranquil sedge]

I don't have a disability (that I know of)
you play factorio, you play poe
are you sure

[opal ingot]

i can't say the same for other fgs though, i've heard they are more demanding in reaction time

[tranquil sedge]

sus

[cobalt blade]

D:

[spice pecan]

melee be like:

[opal ingot]

just to clarify, th reason why newer players can't react to throws or snake edges which demand a 20f or 30f reaction time is because they dont know what to look out for

[whole bluff]

I mean, after practice you react on reflex and not with a premeditated response?

[potent bramble]

My guy, it's so much worse than that. I play Factorio, PoE, and Paradox titles

[cobalt blade]

Yup

[crisp plinth]

[tranquil sedge]

legend

[crisp plinth]

Someone print out the sheet that's 3/3

[tranquil sedge]

reaction time's more about ceiling than floor i think (within reasonable limits)

[coral crystal]

the other option is just make zhp ice trap and oneshot maven

[cobalt blade]

eventually you get muscle memory for whatever your doing (actually part of why ppl prolly struggle with stuff like double beams because it does mess with that)

[opal ingot]

yeah, your hands just know what to do

[cobalt blade]

alternatively spark with a billion damage and skip entire phases entirely

[scarlet jacinth]

But hey maven gives me 6 portals, so i better use all for the best bang for buck

[opal ingot]

https://throwbreak420.web.app/

i used to be the guy who cant react to different throw breaks at all, but i gave it dozens of hours of practice and now i can do it consistently

[whole bluff]

As a kid playing racing games with my bro and dad, it felt like my thing was I just didn't have a ceiling, but most of it was reflex

[opal ingot]

and in reaction test websitse i have a reaction time of like 220-240ms whic hi believe is below average

[potent bramble]

If you don't, you're technically wasting portals and that's inefficient

[cobalt blade]

Will say reaction test sites are very heavily affected by your monitor

[opal ingot]

nvm apparently its around 250ms

[cobalt blade]

more so than a game where your guessing your opponent will do x move

[opal ingot]

ah

[coral crystal]

cwdt immortal call ❌
cod portal ✔️

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzS96auqau0

[spice pecan]

i think i linked this last night

such a legendary clip

[tranquil sedge]

ye

[cobalt blade]

cwdt portal

the wardloop special in weapon swap

[potent bramble]

Real gamers use both lul

[spice pecan]

wardloop had weapon swap spectre wands to start the loop in 3.25

[grand flint]

is it too late to create a new character in keeper? haha

[spice pecan]

no

[coral crystal]

nuh i need those empty slots for action speed bloodline

[grand flint]

i wanna try rf chief

[cobalt blade]

did they remove the essence for that

[spice pecan]

no it was a runecraft

on wands

[potent bramble]

Not really, you have like two weeks still. Trade's gonna be a bit rough though

[tranquil sedge]

ends 2nd march

you decide for yourself

[cobalt blade]

yeah but you can just essence it back if they didn't remove it

[opal ingot]

it's the exact reason why i fucking hate king so much in tekken

[tranquil sedge]

certainly enough time to take a build to t16+ if you want to but do you want to?

[cobalt blade]

Its not like you care for the stats on your weapon swap

[coral crystal]

will phrecia go standard or keepers

probably standard right

[opal ingot]

imagine building your muscle memory that when you see both heands, you immediately do a 1+2 bind for the break

[tranquil sedge]

3.28 starts 6th march

[opal ingot]

and you only have half a second to react and press the right button

king throws that rule out of the window

[potent bramble]

Phrecia goes to Keepers, then to Standard iirc

[opal ingot]

when you see both hands YOU HAVE to guess in that exact same window to guess 1 or 1+2

[grand flint]

20 more days

[tranquil sedge]

if you're happy with that go for it 😄

[spice pecan]

oh huh, i had no idea that was an essence wtf

yeah esxsence of insanity

[opal ingot]

safe to say im not playing tekken anytime soon XD

poe is too good

[whole bluff]

Idk anything about the neurology in specifically a game like tekken tbf, but my understanding is the subjective perception of now is delayed so far a human would have problems walking without motor programs

[cobalt blade]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Essence_of_Insanity

[spice pecan]

im a simple man. i see heat engage, i plug

[cobalt blade]

it achieves the exact same as the runegraft

[cobalt blade]

Yea its what we used to use to start loops lol

[potent bramble]

I know those words! You've used them in a way that confused me, but I do know those words!

[spice pecan]

i just used the runecrafting bench for it in 3.25 xd

[whole bluff]

A third is med school, a third is pop science, and a third is conjecture

[onyx adder]

If ur really good u can still break GS on reaction

[opal ingot]

yes exactly

[onyx adder]

The animation is a lil different

[opal ingot]

im at the point where im good enough to throw breaks with hands on reaction, but NOT good enough that i can react in time to guess 1 or 1+2 on GS

[potent bramble]

That makes sense. Was 100% a "I know those words but not in this order" kinda thing for me

[cobalt blade]

handful of my old chars still have them on back when omni wardloop was good

they should unnerf omni

[onyx adder]

Thats ok, at that level ppl wont be good enough to set up GS with more than like two different setups

[potent bramble]

So I heard you like Scion...

[fickle glen]

Can ground damaging ailments that don’t have duration benefit from sadism support’s faster ailment damage?

[cobalt blade]

yes im hoping ascendant isnt gone

and its just second ascend

[steel light]

why random daigo parry clip?

[opal ingot]

yeah usually the king players i fight 50% of the time dont mix up their GS with sw

[onyx adder]

So u might lose the occasional ranked game to it but its not gonna rule ur life since if u keep seeing the same guy u will punish the setups

[tranquil sedge]

talking about fighting games
fun excuse to throw it in 😄

[opal ingot]

if i see two hands come out at point blank, i know they're not doing SW

[whole bluff]

Motor program example: sleep walking, ever seen a 4-legged friend walking upside down in its sleep? In theory, you could put it the normal way and it would walk away in its sleep

[tight plinth]

there are no ground damaging ailments afaik

[opal ingot]

then i went into a tourney, got my ass handed by a guy who would do running GS and point blank isw XD

the sad part about fgs is you KNOW they're gonna do something but you just keep repeating the same mistakes

[fickle glen]

Burning ground?

[cobalt blade]

No because you can't have an ignite bleed or poison ground

[opal ingot]

makes u feel really stupid

[steel light]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CSURVUA7W48 @tranquil sedge

[onyx adder]

Ur first tourney is always an experience

[cobalt blade]

burning ground isnt ignite

[coral crystal]

burning ground doesnt ignite

[cobalt blade]

Burn isnt an ailment

ignite is

[potent bramble]

Second ascendency would be stellar, there's a VERY slim chance that all 19 go into the league and we just get outright 2x ascendency options. It's not a GOOD chance, but it's there

[onyx adder]

Get ur ass kicked by some shit u never saw before

[tranquil sedge]

LOOOL

[cobalt blade]

I doubt they do all

[opal ingot]

oh i have seen running gs and isw a bunch of times, but from day 1 i couldn't handle that shit XD

[tawdry olive]

even as someone who cant react for shit i could still enjoy fighting games, basically just play as if nothing is reactable and try to lock in to your opponents patterns + make sure you aren't repeating your own instead. It works at low levels

at some point you eat shit because people figure out you cant react to 26 frame shit and exploit that by having a non mixup become a mixup for you, but yea

[tranquil sedge]

im fucking saving that

that is a 10/10 clip lol

[fickle glen]

Is there a way to have an ailment with no duration?

[opal ingot]

at least im kind content cuz that guy got 3rd place

[fickle glen]

Kind of like an aura?

[split pagoda]

I hope they end up doing something to nerf genesis tree beyond just needing to click it on the atlas tree

[potent bramble]

Ah, gotcha gotcha. I deff went to more like blinking and breathing, the autonomous functions

[cobalt blade]

it cant do damage without a duration

Its literally just discarded if it doesnt have one

[fickle glen]

Hmm ok

[opal ingot]

well i still think im too flowcharty/predictable as a player

so i kind of have an advantage for the 1st set, 2nd set im like an open book

whatever man, i dont have to think about this shit in poe xd

reading cpu patterns is my jam

[cobalt blade]

not yet time to get into pvp poe

[onyx adder]

PvE u get to do all ur thinking in advance

[opal ingot]

human patterns, might as well throw me to the dogs

[potent bramble]

Yeah it'd take a lot of balance changes to make some of them viable choices over the long-standing ones, but it's not impossible

[opal ingot]

neverin a million years

[coral crystal]

throw me to the dogs ill come back a ¿

[opal ingot]

i think though d4 has that edge over poe in terms of pvp

[onyx adder]

Poe is more cerebral than tekken its just all ur fuckups are 100 hours in advance of the point that u actually realize u messed up and ragequit

[cobalt blade]

realistically the actual absurd power would come from the ability to steal specific nodes

Which is why im very sure they won't add it

[whole bluff]

Its more advanced actions. Like juggling, you don't catch a ball and throw again a specific direction several times per second

[onyx adder]

99% of ppls deaths in this game occur before they click create character

[cobalt blade]

Like let me steal behemoths attack damage node without the downside of being behemoth

i now do infinite damage on an armour stacker

[coral crystal]

juggernaut getting +3 max endurance charge

[cobalt blade]

thats some boring shit

get a billion% dmg from 2 jewels instead

[whole bluff]

Brain pushes buttons on spinal cord (or potentially more central, probably cerebellum involved to modulate for specific circumstances like slippery floor or heavier objects when juggling), and body just does. It's definitely not all reactions in the moment

[opal ingot]

at least in poe, when you acknowledge a mistake, you can immediately fix it even if it takes a couple dozen or hundred hours to figure out you made a mistake

in tekekn, you can see a mistake, and you keep repeatign that same mistake over and over and over and over

a person like me would drive me insane

[potent bramble]

I dunno, it's too broad a question for me to consider fully at 2am, but I feel like it COULD be balanced in some way.

Could also consider something where the FF/FF jewels only award 50% effect of anything that isn't a flat "you have X" modifier

[gritty epoch]

Try reacting to 13 frames

I cant

[cobalt blade]

well that would just be boring and nerf every other usecase for FF jewels

[coral crystal]

foulborn forbidden flesh

[opal ingot]

idk how 13f works in other fgs, but in tekken, 20f is in the realm of almost unreactable

[cobalt blade]

which are already a rare to get chase item for minmaxed builds most of the time

[potent bramble]

Subconscious actions towards an active goal then, like knowing how much force to put behind a throw instinctively

[opal ingot]

24f, reactable but super fucking hard, 26f, basically a snake edge (reactable low)

[gritty epoch]

U can't learn to react to some low pokes in Tekken coz ppl do mixups

[opal ingot]

and ofcourse, exposure

u can eat a 30f move if you rraely see it vs a 24f move you constantly see

[whole bluff]

Yeah, from a learned reflex during practice juggling

[gritty epoch]

I'm sure ppl can react to 20f sweeps (not me tho)

[opal ingot]

honestly that's lik eprofessional level

[onyx adder]

I mean every decent tournament player will block 24f lows on reaction unless theyre almost invisible animation

[opal ingot]

24f while i said was reactable, was still pushing it

[potent bramble]

Yeah a global nerf would be the worst option, but it's a possible one. Not that it matters, because there's next to no chance they push all 19 to the league

[gritty epoch]

I think pros can react to 15f maybe?

[cobalt blade]

ye

[opal ingot]

ill never be like ulsan who could block stature kicks on reaction XD

or at least make it seem like that

[crisp obsidian]

what is this about 15f

[opal ingot]

was it ulsan or lowhigh

[crisp obsidian]

since when has PoE had fahrenreits

:O

[cobalt blade]

ithink frames

[opal ingot]

15 frames to impact

or to hit

[elfin shale]

Not consistently

[potent bramble]

As an American, it it my duty to inform you they're called Freedom Units

[onyx adder]

Kaz db4 is fucked because of the animation

I can do it in practice but in a tournament it looks too much like everyrhing else

[potent bramble]

For example, today at my house we had 60 degrees of Freedom

[opal ingot]

i can't react to that yet, but lee's db3+4 is on the realms of reactability because his animation is just so distinct from the other moves

[potent bramble]

cue the eagle

[onyx adder]

Nobody can react to a 15f low on reaction if u could the game would need rebalancing

[cobalt blade]

burning alive right there

[opal ingot]

one time i did a lee mirror, i was so locked in i could low block db3+4 on reactoin XD

for a set only

[gritty epoch]

The absolute top top pros maybe?

[elfin shale]

I cant react to 40 frame moves, i simply let fate guide my hand, as god intended

[cobalt blade]

not consistently

and you rate something like that on consistency

[potent bramble]

Actually it was glorious, these past couple days are the first time we've been above freezing in 3 weeks or more

[onyx adder]

Monka

[opal ingot]

maybe depends on the fg. in tekken, moves look so similar that 20f pushes on the realm on unreactable. for other fgs, 20f is turtle speed because moves are just so much flashier and distinct from each other

[onyx adder]

Idk whats a 15f low these days

I havent played tekken at competitive level since 6

[elfin shale]

Uhhh

I think Leo's sweep in Strive is around there

[gritty epoch]

Dragunov low poke?

[onyx adder]

Also some fgs are 30 fps

[opal ingot]

nah its i18

[elfin shale]

Oh are we only talking about Tekken

[opal ingot]

yep only tekken

[elfin shale]

Fuuuck

Off to hang myself

[opal ingot]

i15 lows are pretty fast considering lows

[cobalt blade]

ohalso something you need to take into account for these is input delay+for non rl tourneys network delay

both making it harder to react within a 15f window

[onyx adder]

Yea im talking offline

[opal ingot]

you want a modern example? lee's b33 XD

[potent bramble]

This is no longer PoE1 chat, this is now exclusively Tekken chat

[elfin shale]

15f is a reasonably fast move even in anime fighters

[opal ingot]

that shit is now natural on hit

[crisp obsidian]

wanna bet

time to modmail

[onyx adder]

If theres some nerd on 300 ping wifi then ur connection is fucked and u can just spam snake edge all day

[opal ingot]

sorry sorry XDF

ii will stop the tekken talk

[cobalt blade]

ethernet diffing them

[gritty epoch]

Waves dashes away

[potent bramble]

I'm not complaining! I was rambling about nonsense in the background

[elfin shale]

If the connection gets bad enough, time stands still and i have 3 minutes to react to every move (i still get hit by the overhead)

[opal ingot]

kbds shittily away

[spice pecan]

when are they adding electrics to poe

[onyx adder]

F

[opal ingot]

when they introduce hollow palm eblade

efist

[elfin shale]

Play the Golem Link Spectre

[potent bramble]

Honestly it would have been extremely funny for one of the mods to roll up right then and weigh in on the Tekken talk with their own experiences. Now I'm sad it didn't happen

[whole bluff]

Another Christie/Eddie enjoyer, I see

[gritty epoch]

Just frame in poe

[whole bluff]

[onyx adder]

Yea we need controller-only skills

[opal ingot]

poe players would fucking hate that shit XD

timing based skills

[spice pecan]

imagine if retal skills were justframe

[potent bramble]

It's called Frostblink and it's overused 😛

If you don't hit frame-perfect blinks on cool down you're a washed gamer, this is the official stance of the community I'm pretty sure

[spare ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287609905024340059/1311154891057790976/IMG_1490.gif

[opal ingot]

xd i mean like for your main damaging skill, imagine if you have to press 2 buttons in the same frame or wait exactly 24 frames to deal just frame damage

that would be exhausting for a mindlessblasting game like poe

[elfin shale]

Since people here play Tekken is Armored King, King, or a different guy

[opal ingot]

they're different guys

[elfin shale]

POE2:

[opal ingot]

and different movesets, but have shared moves

[potent bramble]

There would be a massive spike in RF players. Every frame is my damaging frame, thank you very much

[gritty epoch]

Do pewgf on blocking a hit

[potent bramble]

Clearly two guys. One's in Armor (note: I have never played Tekken)

[gritty epoch]

Else u miss

[whole bluff]

Actually, I have a ps2 now

[opal ingot]

contrary to the workd, king is the more op character vs armor king XD

[whole bluff]

I could get tekken

[opal ingot]

ak is the cooler character though

[whole bluff]

And not for Christie/Eddie

[elfin shale]

Why play Tekken when i can play Soul Calibur (one has a playerbase)

[spice pecan]

i want soulcalibur 7 so badly

[whole bluff]

Is soul calibur on ps?

[spice pecan]

probably yeah

[elfin shale]

This year trust

[whole bluff]

Do people play these games on PC or just console btw?

[spice pecan]

most have crossplay by this point

[crisp obsidian]

I am pretty sure PoE is played on both

[elfin shale]

PC usually has more people from my experience

[opal ingot]

look at how it turnedout with fanbase reactions to it XD

[whole bluff]

Ah, then I could get soul calibur on PC. I like that game

[onyx adder]

So ONCE UPON A TIME i was one of the better soul calibur players worldwide

Before bamco made the game a colossal meme

[elfin shale]

Also people will tell you if you play with a controller to use the d-pad, theyre all fools and you should use the analog stick

[cobalt blade]

one of the 50 soul calibur players?

[potent bramble]

I think across all categories, PC is more popular than console. Except for obvious ones like the Pokémon franchise which isn't (officially) on pc

[elfin shale]

Top 50, hype as fuck

[onyx adder]

Ya

[spice pecan]

i reinstall it every now and then to fuck around with the story mode a bit

[cobalt blade]

[spice pecan]

but my leverless ate shit so

[onyx adder]

I remember when aris was just the spotty little fat kid okay

[grizzled lily]

please GGG more teasers I WANT THEM IN MY VEINS

[onyx adder]

Smashing ppl with astaroth

In sc2

[elfin shale]

The character creation is crazy
Too crazy, some might say

[fickle glen]

How much attack speed would I need to land 8 hits in 1 second?

[elfin shale]

Whats your base attack speed

[opal ingot]

when you have 8aps

youre welcome

[gritty epoch]

1/8

[cobalt blade]

8 attacks per second

[opal ingot]

just pobthat shit man

[brazen vector]

How many hits does your attack have

[fickle glen]

Dual wielding

[opal ingot]

cuz it depends on your attack skill, your weapons and your sources of atk speed

[elfin shale]

Okay that doesnt tell me shit

[spare ore]

teaser addict

[potent bramble]

We're getting mounts, but it's exclusively in the form of Bestel giving you a piggyback ride (this is a joke, do not trust this comment)

[gritty epoch]

Pob

[fickle glen]

1.60 and 1.55

[elfin shale]

Whats your skill aps modifier

[cobalt blade]

Also depends on multistrike

[opal ingot]

yeah chief we can't do anything with that info, better for you to pob it out

[grizzled lily]

I LOVE QOL

MAKE THE GAME EASIER GGG

[whole bluff]

Like in a Korean romantic series

[spare ore]

hell nah

[gritty epoch]

Iirc most skill alternates the swings so it's not consistent

[fickle glen]

Commander, I can’t pob because no pc

[spare ore]

i love the torture this game gives

[cobalt blade]

Ya

[opal ingot]

like you dont have a pc at all!?

how about laptop for work

[fickle glen]

Broken

[opal ingot]

pob is really not resource intensive

oof

[cobalt blade]

you swing with one hand then the other and dual wielding gives 20% more atk speed

[opal ingot]

i would not wish console poe on my worst enemy

[onyx adder]

Every dw skill that swings with one weapon at a time alternates swings now

Since like i dunno

3.5 or some shi

[whole bluff]

Since they killed dw rip

[onyx adder]

GGG got mad at offhand shaper stat sticks

[elfin shale]

Bring back stat sticks trust

[grizzled lily]

i dont want to be skin to skin with no bestel bro

chillllllll

[fickle glen]

3.55

[whole bluff]

Until viper strike of the mamba revolutionised melee

[gritty epoch]

With some exception I think

[spice pecan]

before every build required a shield

[spare ore]

use mtx

[brazen vector]

You can get a lily mtx

[gritty epoch]

Think cleave or rag or mamba or something

[spare ore]

hide the skin

[onyx adder]

No exception in current poe otherwise u would stat stick it

[whole bluff]

Ye

[onyx adder]

Those skills swing with both weapons at once

Every skill that swings with one weapon at a time alternates

[whole bluff]

Everything alternates, which is why all attacks need to be usable with both weapons

[cobalt blade]

dual strike of ambi is and isn't an exception

always used off hand swing time

[gritty epoch]

Semantics

[cobalt blade]

/attack time

[onyx adder]

That skill literally swings with both weapons!

[grizzled lily]

pls GGG more syndicate QOL

[fickle glen]

I am using dual strike

[grizzled lily]

i alr farmed all phrecia jun

[whole bluff]

GGG please, mamba numbers on cleave

[gritty epoch]

Syndicate rework with added walls?

[potent bramble]

I was playing as a duo with a buddy, he made it to A3 for the first time and immediately, aggressively, and shamelessly starting hitting on whats-her-face. I wanna say Clarissa but I feel like that's wrong

[grizzled lily]

im addicted to making red lines

[brazen vector]

Nerf kboc, mana stacking and attribute stacking in general

[crisp obsidian]

nerf attacks

to complete shit

thanks

[gritty epoch]

Nerf jiji

[fickle glen]

Trying to make a bleed build with crimson dance for attack speed

[potent bramble]

Nerf attacks, nerf spells, buff minions trust trust

[grizzled lily]

i woke up this morning thinking of farming 2-3 more kulemaks before work. . . . . .

[crisp obsidian]

I'll take any nerfs on me if that means attacks get fucked

[grizzled lily]

im no better than an addict

[spare ore]

maramoa is the better baddie

[onyx adder]

Clarissa is the most annoying individual in poe how is that even possible

[whole bluff]

Buff spells, give strikes free tribal fury and an extra strike here and there, make bows legacy and allow quivers with facebreaker

[grizzled lily]

IN MY VEINSSSS

[potent bramble]

Y'all I don't know, he's ex-navy and has questionable taste in women, what do you want from me

[onyx adder]

Hey i just met you and this is crazy but heres my number call me AFTER YOU RESCUE MY GIMP ASS DEAD BOYFRIEND IM NOT HELPING U UNTIL U DO

[gritty epoch]

At least it's not gwennen

[onyx adder]

Clarissa sucks

[opal ingot]

i like the color of the veiled chaos orb

[potent bramble]

I tried to explain to him that she was still devoted to Tolman, but the whole "oh no he's dead" thing kinda undermined me

[onyx adder]

Devoted to dead boyfriend is fine we can work with that, shows loyalty and not too much brains

[grizzled lily]

thanks its a random filter i grabbed cause my other filters were showing nothing

[onyx adder]

Making me go fetch quest vs piety for no reason before help is the big nono

[opal ingot]

damn it

so i gotta use eyedroppe then

[potent bramble]

Honestly the only NPCs I actually liked were Yeena, that married couple in A4/9, and obviously Lily and her dad

[grizzled lily]

sus

[potent bramble]

Everyone else ranged from annoying to outright detrimental to my mental wellbeing

[onyx adder]

I like cassia

[gritty epoch]

Einhar hater detected

[potent bramble]

"Hey I know you did all this work to help me, but I went and got suckered by a giant crab and now I'm gonna bait you into being eaten"

[onyx adder]

And trialmaster

[potent bramble]

I wasn't counting the non-town NPCs

[tight plinth]

i liked the dead dudes in tota

[grizzled lily]

tujen

[onyx adder]

They talk mad shit at u when u are trash and fail their encounters

Which is deserved

[tight plinth]

they had great voice lines

[spring axle]

I like the heist rogue voicelines

[whole bluff]

TotA was nice. Shame they botched execution and fixing it up would be a PR nightmare

[potent bramble]

All the various Masters and other league content has been solid in my experience. But legit every town has at least one person who betrays you, I think

[grizzled lily]

https://tenor.com/view/detective-daffy-investigate-police-looney-tunes-gif-17130539

[onyx adder]

Oh town npcs? Idk if i like any of em

[grave vine]

Tree core? Surely going to be much harder to obtain blood n stuff

[potent bramble]

They're in there somewhere, dw

[onyx adder]

Oh yea i like petarus and vanja theyre close to the waypoint

[tight plinth]

i like the act 1 dude that sells armor

whats his face

[cobalt blade]

i like nessa mermaids cute :3

[whole bluff]

TarkeCat

[potent bramble]

Tarkleigh

[tight plinth]

does tarke still stream?

[whole bluff]

Not that I know of sadly

[potent bramble]

Tark isn't horrible, Eramir is okay, Helena's fine I guess

[whole bluff]

I like Eramir

[frigid wedge]

lily tho

[potent bramble]

Silk is an idiot and deserves his fate

[frigid wedge]

lily the best