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[soft perch]

buff selfcast pls ggg

thank u

[steel light]

are these worth doing?

[hexed mountain]

it is squishy , but on KF tinctures you get like 3x damage from your two tinctures together and then oath of spring gives you basically double damage

[opal ingot]

u might get some ffs

gogogo

[fossil mural]

The small ones? No

[cobalt blade]

readd reduced cost flask pls and that's good enough to make a broken sparker

[fossil mural]

The big ones alch until 5-6 mods then vaal

[cobalt blade]

alch n go them

[steel light]

are the lv84 easy or do i need to read up?

[hexed mountain]

and if you do a pure lightning setup oath of spring replica heatshiver goes even harder

[soft perch]

i hope ggg stops being so scared of mana regen

and just buffs it

[karmic gust]

they cant readd reduced costflask until they nerf mageblood

[cobalt blade]

its basically identical to quest version

[soft perch]

since all indigon builds just ignore regen anyway

[cobalt blade]

just a bit tankier

[soft perch]

and are built around leech

[steel light]

ok thanks

[hexed mountain]

unique flask

[soft perch]

itd be nice to play spells and just, regen mana lmao

[cobalt blade]

but that's why i want them to readd it D:

[hexed mountain]

a unique cost flask would be a massive tides buff

[pulsar dune]

I'm down for really strong unique flasks ngl

[fossil mural]

Monkey paw curls cant recover mana from sources other than regen

[crisp obsidian]

bbbbut MoM

[cobalt blade]

i dont want to play PF meta again that sounds kinda boring

[karmic gust]

i dont like solutions like this, if its supposed to solve any issues

then it neds to be accessible

and not suffering until you get the flask

[opal ingot]

wow that was a thing huh

[soft perch]

not an es build pog

[cobalt blade]

25% reduced cost of skils during flask effect

[opal ingot]

next thing ill know there was explode on flask suffix

for magic

dotn say oriath

[hexed mountain]

oriath

[spice pecan]

there was attack and cast speed suffixes

[opal ingot]

yeah too bad i didn't use it that much back then

[karmic gust]

both magic and unique flasks used to be pretty good

[opal ingot]

cuz i was a pure hh guy

[karmic gust]

good times

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[karmic gust]

now most of them are garbage

both unique and magics

[opal ingot]

🥹

[fossil mural]

I remember reddit meltdown about flask nerfs

[cobalt blade]

im still annoyed they removed cast speed suffix because attacks got tinctures and they had to remove atk speed

[fossil mural]

Good times

[hexed mountain]

remember prime vinktar pathfinders?

[cobalt blade]

like fucking why

[crisp obsidian]

I remember when they stealthnerfed flask suffixes

good times

[opal ingot]

whaat

[crisp obsidian]

well

stealth removed iirc?

wasn't iAS+iCS just removed

[karmic gust]

because that was just excuse to nerf mageblood by nerfing wrong thing

[crisp obsidian]

without a word

[cobalt blade]

Yea

[hexed mountain]

pathfinder needs to be deleted so we can have strong flasks

[crisp obsidian]

kharjou needs to be deleted

[hexed mountain]

pf is a sacrifice i am willing to make

[tight plinth]

Delete flasks

[fossil mural]

Wouldnt be surprised with kindling buffs

[cobalt blade]

yup but its a fuckin chase item let us have fun

[fossil mural]

Now we talking

And add charms

[hexed mountain]

(also the game needs some way to prolif poison without being locked to bino/pf

[opal ingot]

add dodge roll too?

and wasd

[spice pecan]

foulborn embalmer exists now at least

[fossil mural]

Gloves

[karmic gust]

they literally added that this league

[spice pecan]

but it's either pf, or lose your weapon, or lose your gloves

[hexed mountain]

yeah but we dont know if its going core yet

do we?

[karmic gust]

and its not very useful because people dont undersand when prolif is actually useful

[fossil mural]

Well wtf do you want? A notable? Lmao

[steel light]

can they nerf current mb? won't the current just become legacy and kept the stats until reroll?

[opal ingot]

when is it useful deathbeam

[karmic gust]

like what poison build is gonna use it thats actually popular right now?

[cobalt blade]

its good when your running content like legion or breach

[cobalt blade]

Mamba

[hexed mountain]

i just want to play mamba in ssf without having to be a pf or spend weeks finding something to enable it

[karmic gust]

nothing except mamba outside of pf

wants prolif

[crisp obsidian]

isn't prolif good when your skill sucks with AoE and applies strong poisons

and bad otherwise

[cobalt blade]

Yup

[hexed mountain]

poison explosion builds can use prolif

[karmic gust]

yea, and there are no poison builds like that being played atm

[cobalt blade]

Its also good for molten strike poison

but not super popular rn

[karmic gust]

its terrible for molten strike poison

[frigid wedge]

moltens trike is odd

for poison

[karmic gust]

because molten strike poisons suck as they are super small

[crisp obsidian]

molten strike applies poisons fast with low base damage no

yeah

[karmic gust]

so the prolif does nothing

[cobalt blade]

It was good with heist dagger for a bit

[hexed mountain]

if you get 100% chance to poison and run the catarina staff to explode or occultist an accessible prolif would be nice

[karmic gust]

molten strike poison is still good

[hard cliff]

What if the new Scion ascendascy let's you pick a line from a unique you sacrifice

[cobalt blade]

iirc people used it with vaal breach to do stupid quick poisons to bosses lol

[hexed mountain]

like 25% max hp poison with a single 300% inc damage mastery for non poisoned and prolif would prolif on its own off occultist

[crisp obsidian]

tho if you abuse med clusters couldn't you abuse prolif

[frigid wedge]

yeah but compared to the rest of the stuff ms can do its kinda eh

[crisp obsidian]

with any skill technically

[cobalt blade]

Let you abuse prolif+ancestral call dot cap instantly

[crisp obsidian]

but tha would be dogshit outside of maps xdd

[spice pecan]

remember that this node is still in the game

[crisp obsidian]

and even in maps probably

[karmic gust]

sure, but how many builds do use catarina staff on PF where prolif is already super accessible? nobody

[hexed mountain]

because there's no good option

[cobalt blade]

Ay but iirc it was just an efficient early char before you reach the point hit based takes over

[hexed mountain]

if the opportunity cost wouldnt be so obnoxious people would definitely try it

[karmic gust]

i mean the opportunity cost is trash weapon

so yea ofc

[hexed mountain]

that's a high cost when weapons give so much damage

[cobalt blade]

explode is also kinda overrated

[hexed mountain]

? D:

[opal ingot]

how does +x% to something work

is it like a flat addition to the chance/modifier

like if u had say 5% base chance of crit, then +8% to crit rate means you get 13% crit rate

[cobalt blade]

Personally just like occy explode for the sound over actual impact on clear

[karmic gust]

yea so noone is gonna use the weapon even if they made prolif node on tree

[fossil mural]

Why would you need poison prolif with explode or vice versa

[crisp obsidian]

like the idea sounds good in my brain but I can't think of any skill that would actually do it outside of mamba

[karmic gust]

because the weapon is just bad

[cobalt blade]

its funny

[hexed mountain]

for a pure map clear build they would

[cobalt blade]

maybe a slam

earthquake of amp poison

[hexed mountain]

that thing prolifs on its own so far its fun

[cobalt blade]

[fossil mural]

You already chain explode with basically anything

And prolif does that too

[hexed mountain]

i used that weapon on an elementalist with all damage can ignite

it was super fun

i mean shaper of flames node right

that forces ignite

[fossil mural]

I am not sure using both will result in better clear

[frigid wedge]

fair

[hexed mountain]

wouldnt use both

yeah

just opening options

[karmic gust]

then we are back to noone doing it on PF even though PF is strongest poison ascendancy anyway even if it did not had the prolif

i guess you can make argument for ele and doing it on ele but then you can just do what you said anyway instead

and its gonna be better

[cobalt blade]

ele being one of the best poison ascends feels so wrong

[crisp obsidian]

wait how does this work with prolif, if I poison someone with this and then it prolifs to another target does it get the 300% inc again?

[hexed mountain]

would be more for occultist there , with low opportunity cost could be a fun clear boost

[crisp obsidian]

if it is not poisoned already

[cobalt blade]

entirely because of how stupid golems are

[crisp obsidian]

or does it not count as "you"

[cobalt blade]

yes it prolifs that

[hybrid harness]

bruh mamba prolif would be zdps if that didnt work

[fossil mural]

And 60% shock

[karmic gust]

well there is only PF and assa as poison ascendancies as occu sucks ass if you want damage for poison build nowadays

and anything is better than assa

[cobalt blade]

Ay

[karmic gust]

so its just between ele and pf then

[finite quail]

yes it does

the wording is very clear on it

[crisp obsidian]

you guys are understanding wrong

[finite quail]

poisons that are inflicted on non poisoned enemies deal 300% increased damage

[cobalt blade]

the prolifs are your poison yes

[finite quail]

so poisons proliferated to enemies that are not poisoned also works

[crisp obsidian]

it applies the 300% on the main target poison yes, but does that 300% get applied again when prolif poisons a new enemy?

[karmic gust]

low tolerance do not cascades

you get the bonus once

[cobalt blade]

But the actual power of proliff+that node is vaal breach

[finite quail]

Yes

[whole bluff]

shadows are sad, other rangers are rangers, necro is a summoner, occultist is also sad, makes sense

[finite quail]

Because you are poisoning a target that wasnt previously poisoned

[crisp obsidian]

I trust db more

[cobalt blade]

you get 300% poisons on 50 enemies and proliff it to boss

[hybrid harness]

so u mean the 3x goes to 9x? dont think so

[finite quail]

What I mean to say is that the bonus is applied once per target

[crisp obsidian]

would be gigaop tho xdd

[hybrid harness]

yea

[finite quail]

So if target A gets poisoned, it gets the 300%, and when the poison proliferates to target B, it also gets the 300%

[fossil mural]

Infinite damage hack in blight

[finite quail]

But target B does not get 600%

It doesnt reapply low tolerance again, it does it once per target

For as many times as you have low tolerance allocated

[hexed mountain]

to be fair mamba is by itself kind of infinite damage in blight too

[cobalt blade]

in blight you do no damage because its all too tanky on titanic

[fossil mural]

Infinite to the power of infinite

[hexed mountain]

i mean dot cap infinite :^)

[crisp obsidian]

guys what if they go int64 for poison 🤯

well dots

I mean

[finite quail]

TREE(3) poison

[fossil mural]

What if they remove the dot cap

[crisp obsidian]

they can't remove the cap

they can only increase it

[cobalt blade]

everyone always complains about dot cap but noone ever complains about hitcap smh

[fossil mural]

Just make it deal damage in chunks

Who cares

[soft perch]

dot cap is irrelevant

[crisp obsidian]

the cap would still exist

at some point

[hexed mountain]

lets hope we get new toys in 3.28 for bossing and a pbod nerf , i'm tired of pbod

[soft perch]

lowkey selfcast just sucks

[crisp obsidian]

not lowkey

highkey selfcast sucks

[fossil mural]

Well it technically exists for msoz too, not very relevant

[soft perch]

ok yea highkey selfcast sucks

[hexed mountain]

i think it's underrated tbh

[soft perch]

damagewise, maybe

[hexed mountain]

its really easy to setup arcane rf

[soft perch]

but selfcast has huge sustain issues

in both mana and life

[hexed mountain]

but yeah mana issues suck

[crisp obsidian]

well poisons could atleast theoretically hit it

[fossil mural]

Cant you go bloodmagic leech

[crisp obsidian]

vs some delve shenanigans

[soft perch]

this is still a downside

[hexed mountain]

i skipped the idea of self chill on surfcaster because it couldnt deal with mana cost with that + trans RF

[karmic gust]

they can remove it theres bunch of solutions to handle infinite numbers you just lose a bit of precision and thats it

[fossil mural]

I mean

[soft perch]

same

this is largely why i didnt play surfcaster

[hexed mountain]

was already ultra fast tho

[soft perch]

impossible to solve mana without destroying your pool with eb

[hexed mountain]

frostblink of wintry blast doing nice litttle 30-40 sec city squares

[crisp obsidian]

so they should just stack aura effect ez

[fossil mural]

I think its intentional. You can see it with poe2 - they did it again, from ground up - and its so broken if you go above dot cap it stops doing damage

[karmic gust]

they didnt do it from ground up

poe2 is built on top of poe1 its same engine

[soft perch]

poe2 was not built from the ground up lul

[fossil mural]

They def did, cause now it just doesnt do damage

[karmic gust]

that was bug in poe1 they fixed

[spice pecan]

in 0.1 couldn't you open the poe1 atlas or some shit

[soft perch]

that doesnt mean its built from the ground up

[cobalt blade]

P sure theyd have to change how they handle health for this

[soft perch]

that just means its bugged

[karmic gust]

they just did not fixed it in poe2 lmao

[crisp obsidian]

just don't tell pixxel that

[opal ingot]

i think i remember doing this

[spice pecan]

like poo2 had poe1 atlas, chisels, and probably some other shit that was left over

[whole bluff]

poe2 forked from poe1 without a lot of nice balance changes that poe2 could have used

[hexed mountain]

i'm so down for a 1 month league of poe 1 into 1 month league of poe 2 into 1 month league of phrecia rotation tho

[soft perch]

but yea like

[whole bluff]

like armour being 140% more effective

[soft perch]

dot cap is not reelevant

[fossil mural]

Id rather believe that they made how dots do damage from 0, than that they reintroduced a bug from god knows when

[karmic gust]

they did not reintroduced the bug

[cobalt blade]

it is for some content but for 99% of it yeah

[karmic gust]

they forked it before the bug was fixed

the bugfix is somewhat recent

[soft perch]

people who whine about dot cap existing probably have never actually played a real dot capped poison build

[karmic gust]

it was done when EA ignite was meta

[cobalt blade]

deep delve/valdos maps come to mind for me

[karmic gust]

like league after

[whole bluff]

I'd say it seems fairly clear poe2 is based on like 3.15 more than 3.20

[soft perch]

there is a huge difference between pob number after 8 seconds and what u see ingame

[cobalt blade]

where you can be expected to do billions to actually make a dent

[crisp obsidian]

what do we count as a real dot cap tho

[fossil mural]

Dot cap is also a lot harder to hit than people pretend without pf doubling poison

[soft perch]

poison is fine for valdos

cuz its all damage reduction

[hexed mountain]

was mainly pointing out its infinite to dot cap due to ravaged blights so you dont instagib the bosses

[cobalt blade]

not all

[soft perch]

delve is the exception

[karmic gust]

regular dot cap is very easy to hit

if you canthit it on poison build easily then you are building it wrong or just making meme build

[crisp obsidian]

can we go back to merc league where we were almost hitting uber 100% deli dot cap

[cobalt blade]

like your not clearing the billion dps check fatal after some time valdos with dot

[crisp obsidian]

with like 20d gear

[soft perch]

u can hit dot cap in pob after multiple seconds of constant hitting at maximum wither and ramp

[fossil mural]

Arent those about less damage taken?

[spice pecan]

sure, you're also not deep delving on dot builds either sadly

[soft perch]

its pretty rare ingame outside of relatively strong setups to do otherwise

[hexed mountain]

mamba doesnt need ramp tho

[soft perch]

ye

i know

[cobalt blade]

yep and dot builds have less sources of damage scaling

[spice pecan]

you have to finish the map in 5 minutes, assuming it's 1 portal

[soft perch]

my point was lots of poison setups theoretically hit dot cap, also hit based

but in reality are not that strong

cuz pob shenanigans

ramp and constant uptime required

[cobalt blade]

The timer doesnt reset on new portal even if its not

Its 10 seconds per portal after you die

[soft perch]

skills like pbod tend to be the exception and have more real damage numbers cuz they have incredible uptime

[cobalt blade]

Or well after timer

[fringe ermine]

what if legacy ascendencies

[crisp obsidian]

temp chain xdd

[hexed mountain]

well stuff like assassin poison pobs are bait anyway , the dps is useless the only thing that matters is poison dps x number of applications per second

[soft perch]

also a lot of bosses have big dr at the start

[karmic gust]

well you should have wither up on most good poison builds almost instantly

if you dont then its just build issue

[soft perch]

i think this is not often the case

[fossil mural]

Me when mamba applies wither with withering step and ashes

[soft perch]

outside of withering step

a lot of people click pathfinder and say ok yea 15 stacks of wither all the time

[hexed mountain]

yeah in ssf pre ashes max wither is hard

[soft perch]

then wonder why their pconc of bouncing doesnt actually do insane pob numbers all the time

yes im aware pconc has 20% wither with qual

it still takes time to stack

[cobalt blade]

tbf thats a skill issue

[soft perch]

mamba tends to be the exception

and withering step has annoying downsides to use like it eats ur cd movement skill

[hexed mountain]

mamba has the only issue there that you cant really use some fast hitting skill to ramp wither fast because it would ruin viper strike

[karmic gust]

on SA i get all wither stacks on first ballista attack pretty sure, and i think on wander you also get them < 1second, spark should get them in like 1.5 or 2 probably depends, LS and molten also easily hit it quickly, and other poison skills are bad so rest doesnt matter

[stray sedge]

👀 a bit late but damn what in the teaser is that

[dark grove]

I mean u can always 3 link spell totem -multi totem-wither

[hexed mountain]

yeah KF wander stacks stuff so fast

[dark grove]

For bosses

[spice pecan]

isnt this bait without cast speed

[soft perch]

they do, but it still eats into ur poison dps for the first few seconds

[karmic gust]

wither totems are pretty bad for actual wither uptime

[cobalt blade]

Yes

[karmic gust]

especially on non caster

on non caster they are just useless

[soft perch]

wither only has a base duration of 2 seconds

[fossil mural]

They also tend to just insta die

[hexed mountain]

i think my warden KF took like 0.5/0.6 seconds to drop 50 shocks on oath of spring , such a cool skill

[soft perch]

so u need to be hitting 7.5 times a second at 100% wither chance

[thick goblet]

scav core hopefully

[soft perch]

with 0 downtime

[soft perch]

a teaser thats definitely not just scavenger

theres for sure more to it imo

[stray sedge]

It would be cool if a bunch of unpopular ascendancies got changed but we will see

[hexed mountain]

i hope palsteron and quite a few people following his build didnt put KF on the nerf radar

[stray sedge]

too much time before next league x.x

[spice pecan]

i would be somewhat surprised if kf doesnt get tapped

[cobalt blade]

surely its on the buff radar instead

along with kinetic rain give us the original version you teased smh

[hexed mountain]

no way , its super strong

[elfin shale]

What all is that Scav wearing? Is the only unique Star/Voidforge?

[cobalt blade]

i know :p

[cobalt blade]

blunderbore

[soft perch]

i am certain theres some build your own scavenger/something adjacent going on

[crisp obsidian]

blunderbore

[whole bluff]

I dont think I can assume 40 blade blast explosions, but probably at least 20, then I got like 10m dps on spellslinger bb

[karmic gust]

well if the ramp is 1s and the duration is 4s then you are losing like 12% damage in first 4 seconds of combat thats whatever

[whole bluff]

poison

but spells suffer so yeah

[hexed mountain]

i think this could just be them saying they're reworking that bottom wheel as nobody was taking it

[karmic gust]

actually its morer like 6%

not 12%

as you dont go from 0 to max at 1s

[soft perch]

i really dont agree because this is a core game mechanic not a phrecia thing

[cobalt blade]

yo reworked for the 3rd phrecia in a year incredible teaser

[whole bluff]

also, daughter of oshabi fights itself if you main spellslinger

[elfin shale]

This is a teaser for 3.28 though

[hexed mountain]

no , i mean also reworked , ofc its scavenger for 3.28

she looks at sand stuff + timing

but i mean this screen

in particular

[cobalt blade]

ah

[hexed mountain]

with the nodes fading

[cobalt blade]

i mean im expecting them to change more tbh

[karmic gust]

its kinda weird that they would add scavenger out of all things tho, it mayne makes sense because scion is 1 asc but the scav pathing and the huge power difference between the item nodes is weird thing to go core

[tight plinth]

dammit, tinctures specifically mentions melee weapons reeeeee

[hexed mountain]

i hope they would change the jewelry node too it feels so bad on many builds

[karmic gust]

especially the power difference between the nodes some are just useless completely

[cobalt blade]

yep no unarmed tinctures

[hexed mountain]

warden LOGIN

[karmic gust]

and meme nodes

[crisp obsidian]

and they showed nerfed nodes on the bottom part

which was already not taken that much right?

[soft perch]

they were phrecia 1.0 values

[tight plinth]

i wanna use it on unarmed 😭

[crisp obsidian]

ahhh

[hexed mountain]

might be more because ascendant is so niche

[crisp obsidian]

TIL

[whole bluff]

I guess if I had like 20% more dmg from ashes, 3 more EK blades from ashes, got 10 extra bladefall blades from quality, stacked herald effect on bloodline, I would be a fair bit above dot cap

[hexed mountain]

rather than scav being popular

[soft perch]

im pretty sure its because its not relevant on 1.0 or 2.0 values cuz its not something thats gonna be in 3.28 lul

[whole bluff]

and also blade blast base radius from quality

[soft perch]

like those nodes specifically

[hexed mountain]

adding popular scavenger instead of unpopular ascendant is really an easy choice to give fresh content to core game tbh

[soft perch]

i dont think the teaser is 'scavenger but we're reworking the bottom line cuz theyre unpopular'

[hexed mountain]

basically no work rework

[fossil mural]

That would be giga lame

[sleek barn]

holy rog pull

unfortunately the life sorta fucks it up

[soft perch]

its cryptic for a reason

[whole bluff]

but since spells suck, I havent solved using whispers of infinity atm

so I have 10-20m dps

[hexed mountain]

eldritch annul easy clap

[karmic gust]

popular because it has some broken nodes not because its actually better designed than base asc

[whole bluff]

and herald price tag is obscene

[soft perch]

i rly do think its a big curated list of uniques u can use as affixes and its totally feasible because foulborns were a similar system

[hexed mountain]

i think its more interesting than "grab watered down ascendancies"

[elfin shale]

i mean in concept i think Ascendant is more interesting

Its just awful

[karmic gust]

it might be more interesting but they still left meme nodes on it, its kind of a joke

[fossil mural]

Do you selfcast both spells?

[whole bluff]

I spellsling everything

[karmic gust]

but maybe they will realance them who knows

[hexed mountain]

like when i compare scion nodes power level to other ascendancies it HURTS

[fossil mural]

Based

[whole bluff]

with an empty chest... cuz reasons

[fossil mural]

Is it because double defences

But also eww

[whole bluff]

yup

[sleek barn]

lol

it took me 3

[whole bluff]

nice antisynergistic ascendancy

[hexed mountain]

kek

wait its not a conq lamiar

xd

[sleek barn]

yeah shit base

[whole bluff]

if spellslinger was actually good enough to bother, I think a lot of people would whine about oshabi antisynergy, but as is it's just me lul

[fossil mural]

Spellslinger is great

||for warp||

[whole bluff]

xD

[hexed mountain]

they should just unnerf slinger

its so damn cool

but its so bad

[whole bluff]

about the ascendant vs scavenger, I think the problem with ascendant is that it's just hard to make a thing that's a grab bag of every other thing when they keep changing things

[soft perch]

they buffed slinger recently

[whole bluff]

I use grace of the goddess, it's nice

actually a more dmg support now

[karmic gust]

it just needs 5 more buffs like firestorm then maybe ppl will start using it :d

[whole bluff]

but idk how I'd solve costs

[crisp obsidian]

give us 5 buffs on BV and spark ty

[whole bluff]

my gear is stuffed with uniques, so I cant just use elreon benchcraft

[crisp obsidian]

they can just be poison buffs too

that's fine

[thick goblet]

what does bv need

i haven't played it

[crisp obsidian]

blade vortexer

[thick goblet]

what

i meant what buffs does it need

[crisp obsidian]

oh need

I read meant

for some reason xdd

uhh AoE

maybe some spin speed on blades?

and a lil duration is always nice

but AoE def

[karmic gust]

bv not having so terrible base aoe would be nice for sure

[cobalt blade]

-mana cost clarity

[whole bluff]

I think BV could deal more dmg if cast recently, but maybe this is when people wanna confiscate my cooking tools

[karmic gust]

could just get base radius per blade

[soft perch]

selfcast just needs better ways to sustain life and mana

[crisp obsidian]

I mean not the worst idea, but AoE is the bigger problem

[soft perch]

not necessarily damage

[fossil mural]

Just explode it

[modern zinc]

I just killed exarch for the first time 🙂

[soft perch]

huge

[crisp obsidian]

doesn't help having to get close to enemies

[cobalt blade]

Imo just mana life wise its fine with leech once you have a semi decent pool

[whole bluff]

my 3 skills cost like: 43, 47, 53

[fossil mural]

Isnt explosion pretty big

[cobalt blade]

I see

[low lava]

im guessing the lil video today. Was a peak at scion rework or ?

[whole bluff]

that's like a grab bag of fu from GGG

[crisp obsidian]

yeah but initial hit still has to be pretty close

[cobalt blade]

whispers of infinity for es cost instead?

[whole bluff]

yup

[hard cliff]

4 end charge on tree

+2 rings

+1 boots

10 end charges realistically

[cobalt blade]

lol

[crisp obsidian]

iirc synth implicit on shield can have it too?

or maybe that's like weapons only or some dum shit

[hard cliff]

With an actual budget you can probably get like 25

[crisp obsidian]

oh it's only frenzy/power on shields

zzz

[fossil mural]

There isnt an actually good lifetap gem in the game right

[crisp obsidian]

nvm

it exists

[crisp obsidian]

wdym

lifetap is good

[cobalt blade]

thats quite the jump you think you can get

Maybe in standard in a breach with sentinel recomb breach rings

[fossil mural]

I mean, 20% more is pretty good

Id use that

[hard cliff]

I am doing my best

[fossil mural]

Over es cost

[crisp obsidian]

lifetap buff is poggers

[cobalt blade]

max is like 14 or 15 charges in league iirc

[karmic gust]

i would use lifetap over inspiration on most spell builds

[fossil mural]

Spells solved

Next issue

[cobalt blade]

and it requires you to wear stupid shit like grace sublime vision into frenzy scaling from masterform

[crisp obsidian]

attacks being too good

revert the totem thing

thanks

make attacks suffer again

[cobalt blade]

make tinctures spells now

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-mojo-jojo-him-thats-the-evilest-thing-i-can-imagine-evil-gif-4746375

[fossil mural]

Mom said its MY turn on tinctures

[crisp obsidian]

make tincture mana burn 100x stronger

[cobalt blade]

that wouldnt super matter if you cared to make tinctures work btw

youd just need to invest into -max mana rings >flat mana regen

just a bit more annoying to enable

[crisp obsidian]

you remove the mastery

and it would matter

cause it would burn 100% of mana per second

[fossil mural]

Make msoz not shotgun

Would be my running slogan

[crisp obsidian]

per stack

[whole bluff]

For the record, I can likely solve costs. Breathstealer with +1 frenzy charge anointed for costs, mana mastery, maybe have to use clarity but I can't use calamitous visions then so idk

[elfin shale]

KILL MAMBA AT ANY COST

[crisp obsidian]

costs can be solved on spells

doesn't mean it's efficient

or a good way

[cobalt blade]

without mastery fair but you didnt mention that :p

[elfin shale]

The superior Blood Magic

[crisp obsidian]

or worth it

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[crisp obsidian]

while attacks have 9 different good ways to solve mana

[cobalt blade]

and all they need is mana leech

3 whole points on the tree poggies

[fossil mural]

Or red cost

[crisp obsidian]

or just -mana cost

cause you know attacks can actually reach low enough

xdd

[cobalt blade]

life tap bad

need that blue life bar

[whole bluff]

Ashes gives me like 212% of grace of the goddess flat-> 275%. But herald of purity probably gives more. Or hoag if I want poison on witchbane

Also a bb lvl and more blades from quality

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worldly bridge]

you gotta be kidding me

[whole bluff]

hmm, gotta recheck if quality was actually 2% flat and not 1%

ah, it goes from 212% ish to like 248*%

[sleek barn]

rog is trolling me

[whole bluff]

lmao

it's a mjolner but infinitely worse

[crisp obsidian]

it's the worse goat

[cobalt blade]

dead league o7

[soft perch]

shockwave ele hit time

[finite quail]

god

Looking at this basetype hurts

I remember when I used to vendor these to get chisels

[pulsar ice]

oh god here we go...

[modern zinc]

wow

I wish I had that many lol

[crisp obsidian]

Next league you will have more if you play

I trust!

[modern zinc]

:3

I just killed eater of worlds for the first time

easy fights tbh

will take a while to kill Maven because I don't have the special maps for her to witness

I don't have shaper or elder maps either

[pulsar ice]

I was doign elder boss rush the majority of the league, very easy to sustain maps with idols

[modern zinc]

oh i'm still in keepers

I didn't like the phrecia ascendancies

[pulsar ice]

Just kind of ran out of elder maps, so a big run on shaper

[modern zinc]

plus inquisitor is so strong

literally op

[finite quail]

I wish elder guardians didnt take so long to kill

[astral shadow]

Delve rework trailer in 10-11 days?

[finite quail]

You wish, but no

11 days

[crisp obsidian]

Remember to click the atlas passives for them

If you aint buying from trade

[astral shadow]

Pretty sure it will be some kind of rework

[pulsar ice]

Idk, the chimera takes so much time that it takes me more time to do 4 shaper than 4 elde maps

[astral shadow]

They are out of ideas

[modern zinc]

I went for the conqueror's first

next node is shaper and elder

[crisp obsidian]

Conq is less useful

Cause you need elder+shaper for last voidstone

[modern zinc]

I thought they dropped voidstones lol

[crisp obsidian]

For future reference

[modern zinc]

I'm still stuck in 2018

[crisp obsidian]

Nahh

Uber elder(not uber uber) drops 4th

[astral shadow]

Poe2 is just poe1 mechanics copied, anything since 3.25 is not even real league, merc was fun but thats not a mechanic with scarabs etc

[lean urchin]

spicy

[spice pecan]

almost intelligeble

[crisp obsidian]

No new mechanic is gonna get atlas passives or scarabs instantly ever again

[modern zinc]

poe3 when

[crisp obsidian]

So don't even think of it

[hard cliff]

Chris Wilson is currently hiring last I checked

[finite quail]

Bad take

Necropolis was a new mechanic with atlas stuff and that was a hugely bad decision

Because you either took the atlas passives for it, leaving you with less points for other things, or you had a worse league mechanic

[sullen moat]

Affliction was a fun league

[finite quail]

Same goes for scarabs

You either run the scarabs, or you have a worse mechanic

So no, keep the scarabs/atlas stuff for when the content is added to the base game

[astral shadow]

Hope we get old breach back, current one is just bad

[crisp obsidian]

Hey we should atleast get breach passives and scarabs back

Pog

[astral shadow]

No they rework delve instead, making it more painful than it was before somehow

[crisp obsidian]

Ok negative andy

[lean urchin]

someone opened your stacked decks or something?

[pliant hamlet]

wtf was that teaser

[crisp obsidian]

Scavenger in base game

[pliant hamlet]

👀

Pog my fav ascendency

[lean urchin]

or.. they removed scavenger, removing lab.

[crisp obsidian]

Not sure if it's bloodline, scion ascendancy or some kind of leag mechanic

[pulsar ice]

poe 1 is already technically poe 3||.27.0||

[lean urchin]

something about learning

[modern zinc]

kekw

[pliant hamlet]

Imagine scion just gets all phrecia ascendencies lol

[crisp obsidian]

Scion would be 99% playrate lul

[pliant hamlet]

goes from 1 ascendency to like 30

[hard cliff]

goodbye game coherancy

[pliant hamlet]

Good

[crisp obsidian]

You just pick the best asc and F/F something

And be broken

[tight plinth]

i wonder if atlas passives for breach will be "increased chance to get stabilize the breach/hive encounters" 🤔

[pliant hamlet]

bring back incoherent poe

that shit was the best

[crisp obsidian]

Probably

[hard cliff]

Krangle

[lean urchin]

more walls pls

[crisp obsidian]

Bring back 3.15

[pliant hamlet]

I think they'll just disable the wall interaction entirely and make it only the open the breach and the hive

[crisp obsidian]

We need another 3.15 tbh

[tight plinth]

yeah the walls is just trash

[crisp obsidian]

Or have the wall encounter without walls

Ez

[hard cliff]

🧱 🧱 🧱 🧱

We're gonna wall you up like Fortunato

[pliant hamlet]

I don't think we'll ever have another expedition league

I've never seen such a hated league

[crisp obsidian]

4.0 better be big balance patch

[lean urchin]

well... it fked flasks

[spice pecan]

what even was the reason people hated the start of expedition league

[pliant hamlet]

honestly? mana

[tight plinth]

the nerfs

[pliant hamlet]

I think mana was the #1 complaint

[spice pecan]

like what were these nerfs/mana issue

we still have shit mana

[pliant hamlet]

Yeah but it's not as bad

[crisp obsidian]

Flasks nerfed, gems nerfed, supports nerfed, defences nerfed, monster damage increased(iirc?)

And bunch of other stuff

They rebalanced the game

[pliant hamlet]

Monster damage increase might have happened but

[crisp obsidian]

Pretty much

[lean urchin]

grok is this true?

they wanted poe 1 to be closer to poe 2

[pliant hamlet]

don't forget expedition was one of the hardest mechanics we ever had

[lean urchin]

what?

[spice pecan]

yeah i know it was giga rippy

[pliant hamlet]

Expedition was giga rippy on day 1

[lean urchin]

betrayl was worse on day 1

[crisp obsidian]

One of the

Not the most

[pliant hamlet]

Betrayal was so fucked 40% of the player base didn't get to experience

[crisp obsidian]

Or the hardest

[tight plinth]

jfc, i remember

that was my first proper league

the gang will just spawn and insta pop you 😭

[pliant hamlet]

Also betrayal didn't require you to read or you bricked your build

with no real way to notice what happened

[finite quail]

I think they'll update it to be better, so I'm fine with it

[lean urchin]

and metamorph just crashed your game

ultimatum too

[pliant hamlet]

idr ultimatum crashing people

[tight plinth]

whats worse is it lags before they spawn in too so you have no outplay but to flask up

[spice pecan]

well we know what the ultimatum incident was

[pliant hamlet]

I just remember the servers being on fire for ultimatum

[finite quail]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-oneshot-pro-path-of-exile-gif-26529203

[pliant hamlet]

Metamorph was hillariously overtuned

[spice pecan]

this makes me laugh every time

[pliant hamlet]

but again, most people just didn't interact with it

It wasn't rewarding lol

and it was very click intensive

[crisp obsidian]

Archnemesis was top tier league if we ignore combining the thingies

[crisp obsidian]

Having to manually pick up parts

[tight plinth]

i liked archnem but i still despise them replacing old rare mods

[pliant hamlet]

It's funny, ARchnemesis was cool.
The next league where they added archnemesis into the base game was I think the most hated league of all time

[crisp obsidian]

And then getting like 1: 10: 10: 3: 10 ratio'd

[pliant hamlet]

I liked the idea of archnemesis, building into a massive loot explosion

[tight plinth]

sentinel was good imo, i played a lot that league

[crisp obsidian]

Wasn't that sentinel leag

[pliant hamlet]

hasted rhoas

they will forever haunt my nightmares

[crisp obsidian]

Which was very succesful

[tight plinth]

it was sentinel yes

[crisp obsidian]

Sentinel was like top3 league ever

For me

[pliant hamlet]

does the way back machine work with reddit?

[strong viper]

is the league on poe1 more fresh or poe2

[pliant hamlet]

If so you should check that out for that era lol

[crisp obsidian]

Idk

[hexed mountain]

metamorph was goated league but solely due to content

[crisp obsidian]

I don't care about reddit

[pliant hamlet]

People hated archnem going core

It was bad here too

[tight plinth]

but the league was good

[spice pecan]

both are cooked

[crisp obsidian]

Player numbers did well iirc

[hexed mountain]

like metamorph in itself was bad but conq added was amazing

[pliant hamlet]

Oh yeah, the league was good. But baseline archnem was really hated

[trim sleet]

lets gooo @sage falcon

[strong viper]

as in both are like months in already?

[crisp obsidian]

Yaya

Made hh so bad

Xddd

[pliant hamlet]

yeah that too

[spice pecan]

yes, but also, neither are very good

[pliant hamlet]

it's funny how HH was a 150+ ex item

now it's a 3d item lol

[spice pecan]

poe1 new league in a couple weeks, though

[strong viper]

i see, so i should wait till i start playing either?

oh bet

[tight plinth]

adding a bunch of loots to mobs them popping them all at the same time

https://tenor.com/view/todo-clap-orgasm-daddy-yes-boogie-woogie-gif-21117228

[hexed mountain]

it was around 40d most of phrecia

[crisp obsidian]

Maybe the finally release HH from it's chains

[serene abyss]

Dunno about that, people really hated Invasion

[crisp obsidian]

"we will never nerf HH!!!"

[spice pecan]

march 6th or something

[strong viper]

ive never played poe1 before but ive played poe2 a lot u think ill be fine?

[crisp obsidian]

Ya sure gegege

[hexed mountain]

i blame shroudwalker for HH being cringe

[serene abyss]

I loved Invasion, but it made most people just rage

[crisp obsidian]

Yes but no

[spice pecan]

there's more content, more builds, worse graphics

[crisp obsidian]

Way diff game

[spice pecan]

then ritual league comes around

[pseudo axle]

alright, back to maven grinding

[crisp obsidian]

Huh

[strong viper]

well i really wanna try it thats fs

will i get fucked that bad

[pseudo axle]

wonder if I can hit a second progenesis

[spice pecan]

wasn't that the league that nerfed headhunter

[crisp obsidian]

You mean sentinel right, when they added archnem over nemesis

[hoary scarab]

the biggest problem will be getting used to click move

[tight plinth]

so what? have fun with it

[strong viper]

yeah that i can believe lol

[pliant hamlet]

there just weren't a lot of people back in invasion days. If you want to go back that far, Talisman was a trash league, Perandus crashed about 20% of players anytime they showed up, another 20% experienced massive lag and had to avoid the bubble or "enjoy" 1 fps for like the first 3 weeks. Synthesis had hte largest player drop off ever. etc

[hoary scarab]

also definitly get yourself a build guide for poe1, campaign is fine, but you can easilly get fucked over once you hit maps

[spice pecan]

was there even a half decent league mechanic before like, essence league

[pliant hamlet]

Prophecy was cool

[strong viper]

well yeah but are there even build guides for when the new leauges just start out? cuz im just gonna wait till the next league to start

[crisp obsidian]

Synth coulda been so good if they weren't so stubborn at first

[pliant hamlet]

Perandus was too

[crisp obsidian]

Iirc it took a while to get fixes in

While enough to soft reboot right

[spice pecan]

tempest/warbands/perandus/talisman/invasion, like

[crisp obsidian]

Or something like that

[spice pecan]

wtf were those leagues

[hoary scarab]

yes, there will be a huge load of league starter builds every tme a new league comes around

[serene abyss]

Invasion was just really hated because it wasn't something you had to intentionally engage with, and a lot of them were one-shot machines. Plus, pretty sure Invasion was HC-only, think it was the counterpart to the league tjat introfuced strongboxes IIRC?

[gentle ice]

graphics are not that worst, at least to me i really like poe1 gfx 😱 , poe2 gfx are good but i somehow prefer poe1 "style"
and yeah for the gameplay it's a completely different game than poe2 you'll probably need to follow a build

[pliant hamlet]

I really liked Perandus

[crisp obsidian]

Some were hc only etc

Right

[modern zinc]

yes for everything you said

the oneshots were awful

[pliant hamlet]

Yup. The one shots were bad

[strong viper]

alrighty then will do, thanks brother

[serene abyss]

Ch'aska was fun 🤣

[pliant hamlet]

Invasion and Nemesis made me quit HC forever

Nemesis was imo worse because of some really wonky interactions

[serene abyss]

I've never played a SC league since they merged them. I used to try both just to try the sc-only mechanics.

[pliant hamlet]

Did you kill a fractured worm? Hope you can take 9 fireballs to the face.

[crisp obsidian]

Just wait till patchnotes before picking anything, any starter builds before patch notes(and some cases gem info) are 100% complete bait

[pliant hamlet]

Fractured devourers in act 2 legit made me ragequit hc forever lol

[spice pecan]

except for slams, they won't ever nerf slams

[pliant hamlet]

they've gutted slams a few times in the past

that shit wax and wanes in power

[crisp obsidian]

Give sll attacks 70% reduced attack speed

[strong viper]

ah so u think i should wait like a day then look for starter builds?

[serene abyss]

Storm Herald was always "fun".

[opaque wing]

Yeah the game just goes through relatively minor cycles over time for balance in recent years

[pliant hamlet]

Wait til the livestream

[crisp obsidian]

A day or two after livestream yes

[strong viper]

do they usually do the livestream before or after they release the league

[pliant hamlet]

Tune in to GGG live February 26, 2026 2:00 PM

[crisp obsidian]

A week before

[spice pecan]

1 week before, always

[gentle ice]

i started in HC, i was on my 3rd character i think, i got a prophecy that said "you'll encounter powerful devourers" or something like that... that made me quit HC

[pliant hamlet]

it's in #poe1-news

[strong viper]

ahhhh

[pliant hamlet]

LOL

[opaque wing]

Before, same day they do the livestream they'll also release the patch notes

[pliant hamlet]

That's disgusting

[strong viper]

okok sounds good

ty chatters

[crisp obsidian]

Inb4 "this time we are waiting till next thursday for patch notes! Good luck"

[rich widget]

yo does tramua work with dom blow?

[pliant hamlet]

Ngl, I'm not really an HC player, so it's for the best. I really like pushing myself and doing content WAY too hard for me. Hopping into my first t17 when it drops, running all mods, etc.

Hc is so boring to me because of that

[crisp obsidian]

Good ol times

[serene abyss]

You can do that in HC.

Sometimes you die.

[gentle ice]

same i prefer SC to push cahracter to the limit and not be afraid to die

[serene abyss]

But you can do it. 😄

[pliant hamlet]

yeah...I don't think I'm hopping into a level 83 T17 with my sub-1c gear lol

in hc

[crisp obsidian]

Guys I am sensing them adding easier alt leveling

I can feel it

[serene abyss]

I mean, I wouldn't have T17 at level 83 with trash gear in HC.

[crisp obsidian]

Taste it even

[pliant hamlet]

See, and I don't like that 😄

[serene abyss]

But I definitely do pinnacle bosses, and high tier maps in HC.

[pliant hamlet]

I also wouldn't play my favorite skill, flicker ❤️

[serene abyss]

Just with more preparation.

[spice pecan]

should probably hop off the copium lmao

[opaque wing]

They do that every time, its called uniques. You're welcome

[crisp obsidian]

But it's so tasteful

[pliant hamlet]

You know what I want them to do to help alts?

Fucking stop making good gear level 84

I can do acts on my 2nd character in under 2 hours

[crisp obsidian]

I level my alts in 2 hours already, uniques wont make it that much faster

[pliant hamlet]

but it doesn't matter because it's another 4 hours before I can equip my gear lol

[serene abyss]

I think that's the jumper cables you strapped to your chest.

[spice pecan]

tabby till 84 is always the play

[crisp obsidian]

Give us kanai cube no level req on items ez

[pliant hamlet]

bruh seriously, I'd love that

Throw it on an uber boss

[crisp obsidian]

Account bound no lvl req items

[pliant hamlet]

I'd be down with that

They keep doing hte opposite. They keep adding level requirements on level 1 twink items

I hate it :<

delve gloves deleted too

[gentle ice]

alts are already quite fast to level tbh, it's just boring 😅

[pliant hamlet]

idk, I enjoy the power trip for an hour or 2

[crisp obsidian]

I hate that in PoE2 the lvl req raises with the implicit lvl on uniques

Like pls ggg

[lucid gale]

I miss the days of accidentally putting lab enchants on levelling gloves/boots/hats.

[crisp obsidian]

That's exactly what would help secokd characters

But not first ones

[pliant hamlet]

It's also just fun to setup twink gear. Takes hours to setup anyways

or a lot of money

[crisp obsidian]

People still vaal low level uniques into higher level req cause of implicits haha

[gentle ice]

i'm against any instant level personally, but i would not mind an alternative way of leveling up/skipping the campaign even if it takes like 4 hours if it can make it less boring 😅

[pliant hamlet]

Oh I don't want instant level

I've got way too much experience in acts

I enjoy it

[crisp obsidian]

Ye instant level no fun

Just make alt leveling more fun

[pliant hamlet]

But I want high budget twink items

it gives fun mini goals

[crisp obsidian]

Give us ways to make more unique leveling builds for second characters

[pliant hamlet]

yeah

[crisp obsidian]

There is a reason twinking was so popular in WoW

[serene abyss]

Same. I hate that stuff like lifesprig is just fucking useless when found at high levels

[pliant hamlet]

more items like Replica Tasalios, abberath's fury(even if it's bad atm), old cloak of flame / old fire staff / etc.

[rich widget]

what are some sick ah auto bomber builds yo

[serene abyss]

since at high levels it's not something you'd use, and you can't use it on a low level alt

[crisp obsidian]

None

Outside of phrecia

[rich widget]

aw man

[pliant hamlet]

depends what your goal is

[crisp obsidian]

In phrecia just click fishing rod and go HoT

[pliant hamlet]

if you want to speed map, autobombers work fine, they're just expensive if you want to kill bosses

[crisp obsidian]

Yyep indeed

Also makes finding uniques for alts in poe2 very annoying

[rich widget]

i loved blight of contgian and wanted to do smth simmilar and i just thought of auto bomber shi

[crisp obsidian]

The implicit thing is so dumb

[worldly bridge]

come on cro

[pliant hamlet]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/soudaaaaz-3620/Rollee?i=0&search=skills%3DHerald%2Bof%2BThunder%26sort%3Ddps The build itself is pretty generic. But be aware it's zhp. Most versions don't even bother capping resses, just 40-50% to avoid 1-shots. you can also play a much higher budget version that replaces honourhome with a 8l helmet but +6 heralds from chest is really potent

play something else pre-95 or so

super point intensive

witch can do a better budget version but it scales like shit and will never comfortably do t17 bosses

[spice pecan]

surprised it isnt using the 1L helm

[pliant hamlet]

yeah that's the budget version

[spice pecan]

O

[pliant hamlet]

it's not crit so its dps is a lot worse

you also can't easily search it in pob

err poe.ninja

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/KantLachs-4010/SchwarmLachs?i=4&search=skills%3D!Herald%2Bof%2BThunder%26allgems%3DHerald%2Bof%2BThunder%26items%3DCrest%2Bof%2BDesire%26sort%3Ddps

that's pretty much as good as the dps gets, 3.5m

It's a really comfy speed t16 farmer though

[hexed mountain]

pcan use the scarab to keep scarabs

it was cheaper when i stopped

to just keep the risk and imbued

for autobomber the highest damage is bog shaman bladefall no?

with witchcraft and lifetap you get 40M dps bladefall of trarthus

and explode wand

[lean urchin]

tratatrta gems from heist only?

[pliant hamlet]

Yup!

Somewhat rare, but not unobtainably rare

[tight plinth]

yeah trarartasturus gems are heist only

[pliant hamlet]

I think you can get them as a special reward from gem rooms too

but ask a heister, I hate that mechanic lol

[thick goblet]

i think logbooks can drop them too but that's a bug?

[lean urchin]

"special reward from gem rooms" where else did u have in mind

[pliant hamlet]

I got mine from the reward at the end

[lean urchin]

wtf

ive ran so many heists in standard, didnt see one

[pliant hamlet]

@wheat sinew am I tripping or is cog? One of us is wrong halp lol

[hard cliff]

Their are a lot of great auto bomber builds if you're fine with occasionally pressing a button

[wheat sinew]

Sup

[tight plinth]

cast on portal

[wheat sinew]

It's reward from gem side rooms

[pliant hamlet]

Can you get trathus gems from the reward at the end?

[hard cliff]

He gonna get banned for that one

[wheat sinew]

No

[pliant hamlet]

rip, I was wrong D:

I coulda sworn I got my bfall of trathus from the reward, but I def trust your data over my shit memory lol

[lean urchin]

lots of thoughts gets mixed when doing heists

[tight plinth]

oh you can get them from normal contracts then

i thought they were grand heist only

[wheat sinew]

Here us the list of all rewards: https://github.com/sokratis12GR/Curio-Tracker/blob/main/all_valid_heist_terms.csv

At the end

[pliant hamlet]

"replacement"?

I get what they are, but why replacement?

[wheat sinew]

It's what they are called xd

[pliant hamlet]

Neat

[worldly bridge]

what

can you use no jargon

[pliant hamlet]

so, 284 special items + randomly rolled rare weapon or body with a variety of mods

[hard cliff]

You got it right pal

and yon't you forget it

[pliant hamlet]

dw I will

[wheat sinew]

• trinkets yeaaaa

[pliant hamlet]

Did anyone ever find a mirror?

I didn't know that could show up lol

[lean urchin]

lorewise no, because they were making new replicas, not just mirroring uniques

[pliant hamlet]

sokra had like 200k? wings of results from various people

[lean urchin]

well, lets say 200k people online run 100 wings, maybe it spawns

[pliant hamlet]

I'm kinda curious what the rarest item was

I suspect it's baited breath, even if mirror is in the pool

[wheat sinew]

Probably, reddit might have a mention of it, we don't have it fully confirmed with pictures or data sadly tho, but it's there just in case someone finds one and records it

[pliant hamlet]

Makes sense

[wheat sinew]

Baited Breath, nothing comes close

XD

[pliant hamlet]

hahah

Figured

[lean urchin]

its so rare its in fishcord

[wheat sinew]

I mean it's fishing item

XS

[pliant hamlet]

I think baited breath is the hardest currently obtainable item, coupled with plaited ring

[lean urchin]

plaited ring is "ez"

[pliant hamlet]

but someone farmed 20 plaited rings in a league

[lean urchin]

took me only 3m kills for one

[spice pecan]

is replica bated breath even from heist?

[pliant hamlet]

yeah it is

[wheat sinew]

Yes.

[spice pecan]

i thought it was from something else

[lean urchin]

it has a card too iirc

[spice pecan]

like obv it's a replica but

[wheat sinew]

My collection of them is growing steasily

[spice pecan]

i've never seen one

[pliant hamlet]

it's like 10x as rare as a t0 drop isn't it?

[lean urchin]

beach and strand

[spice pecan]

"Angler's Plait can only drop from a Rare monster while the player has a corrupted Slitherpinch equipped. It is a deterministic drop that is unaffected by IIR or IIQ.[3]"

[wheat sinew]

I wish I had clips back then man

[pliant hamlet]

Lol

[spice pecan]

the fuck kind of item is this

[wheat sinew]

Funny fishing

[pliant hamlet]

y ain't you streaming your 20,000 solo wings in 2 weeks

make viewers clip for you

[wheat sinew]

Trueee and let my boss know I'm not working

[pliant hamlet]

hahah

[wheat sinew]

I mean it's chill usually I finish up work before doing anything but the stress is there

[pliant hamlet]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Replica_Bated_Breath
It's the hardest obtainable item afaik

[worldly bridge]

I LOVE MY SCARAB BEING TWO DIV

[wheat sinew]

A coworker got laid off because he was streaming xd

[spice pecan]

ye i was talking about the reqs for anglers plait

[worldly bridge]

I LOVE LOSING MY FIFTY FIFTY EVERYTIME

[pliant hamlet]

oh lol

Welcome to fishing items

[wheat sinew]

Btw poeladder has good info

[pliant hamlet]

they're weird

[spice pecan]

randomly drops from rares while wearing corrupted slitherpinch

those gloves arent even associated with fishing

[pliant hamlet]

slitherpinch? yeah they are

[wheat sinew]

Those fuckers go wild hunting for completions

[pliant hamlet]

they're fishing uniques

[lean urchin]

they are like eels

[spice pecan]

oh wtf they can drop from the fishing item card

but they have no fishing mods or flavor text

lmao

[wheat sinew]

My fav part is idk if I'm hallucinating or anything but I swear I had insbury edge equipped when I found the 2 bated breaths that league

[spice pecan]

theyre also global drop/chance

[pliant hamlet]

Slitherpinch, Worm flask, Fairgrave's Tricorn are all fishing uniques

[wheat sinew]

I was doing some random ass cyclone build

[pliant hamlet]

Rainbow STride too

[worldly bridge]

worms are not a fishing unique asre they?

[wheat sinew]

They are

[worldly bridge]

wack

[pliant hamlet]

they're worms

ya'know, fishing bait 😄

[worldly bridge]

lots of things in poe are worms

[wheat sinew]

It's one of the uniques I was farming baited expectations for arakalii

🤣🤣

[pliant hamlet]

hahaha

[wheat sinew]

Iksy do ya like new scion

[pliant hamlet]

Yes 👀 #scionmain

Scion is already my favorite class, ascendent just sucks atm

[spice pecan]

im okay with scion change if they dont remove ascendant

[wheat sinew]

It looks very intriguing but I dislike it feels just a reuse

[spice pecan]

but maybe fix some of the ascendant nodes

[wheat sinew]

If it's finally a 2ndRy ascendancy would be great

[pliant hamlet]

It lets us play Diablo 3 lol

the best part of D3

the cube thing

[wheat sinew]

Heh?

[spice pecan]

kanai's cube

[pliant hamlet]

You get to pick a bunch of unique effects

and just mash them into your build

[wheat sinew]

Ah yeaaa

[pliant hamlet]

imagine how many builds you can make good with obliteration

[spice pecan]

i think it was in like s2 or s3 of the expansion they added the cube

is obliteration actually that good without scaling chaos damage tho?

[pliant hamlet]

Are you asking if 20% pops are good? lol