1┃general

[finite quail]

Gonna prove you all wrong

[stoic horizon]

thats less than dark pact players on keepers on day 1 💀

[dusky void]

ah i have the armour ES mastery aswell so my ehp should be a bit higher

[ocean field]

ah I see

[frigid wedge]

lance tried it last phrecia

[finite quail]

who?

[frigid wedge]

captainlance

[finite quail]

dont think I've ever seen his vids sorry

[frigid wedge]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QtOmGr9xj6s

[finite quail]

I'm not going to watch it either

I don't wanna taint my experience

[frigid wedge]

xD

barely gameplay anyway

[finite quail]

I hate build videos that just talk while looking at pob

and dont show anything of substance

[pallid frost]

does LA get better in act 4 or? i dont rlly like the playstyle of it

[finite quail]

run with rain of arrows instead

[frigid wedge]

play a diff skill if u dont like

[finite quail]

its the best levelling bow skill

its also very fun too

man, kbof is fun and all

but temporal bubbles and yellow circle shields are going to be SO annnoying

[dusky void]

that build should be FAR stronger now we have grafts for 8% int and the buffs to oshabis

[pallid frost]

so rain of arrows and then use what?

[opal ingot]

kinetic blast of flustering

[frigid wedge]

ehh

[finite quail]

just rain of arrows is fine

more than fine

[dusky void]

ehh?

[finite quail]

But if you want, you can also add manaforged arrows for frenzy and ensnaring arrow, and you can have ballista totems with rain of arrows aswell

[frigid wedge]

not much better

[pallid frost]

roa+trinity+ elem dmg+ faster atks?

[frigid wedge]

a bit sure

not much

[dusky void]

from 2% dmg per 450 to 3% per 350 is a 50% buff and 8% int with some implicits aswell is ALOT

[opal ingot]

miragee

archerr

[finite quail]

yep thats fine

Oh no wait

Remove elemental/faster atk and replace with mirage archer

if you're not hitting trinity stacks then remove that instead until you do hit full stacks

[pallid frost]

how do i know when im hitting full stacks

[finite quail]

top left

that circle with the three colors

When the bars are full is when trinity is fully working

[pallid frost]

so when all colors r full its ok?

[finite quail]

Yes

[pallid frost]

k

[finite quail]

If only 2 bars are full, you're not hitting full stacks, which means your damage types are unbalanced

you need to deal high damage of two elemental types

if its only one that dealls too much damage, trinity will not be at full stacks

[opal ingot]

and that's usually lightning (with it's huge range) together with either fire or cold

[frigid wedge]

sure but you're still not gonna feel a massive difference at the point he is in his build

id love to play kbof tbh

it doesn't have much going for it anymore tho

[opal ingot]

just know that

it's rain of arrows + mirage

then the last 2 sockets can be anything you want (mainly if you're tryna rush through the game. fussing over sockets is gonna take you time)
trinity (most dps if u can make this work)
ele dmg
faster attacks
added cold/lightning/fire damage
faster

[frigid wedge]

its just shotgunning and atp just play norm kb with returns

[finite quail]

it always was just shotgunning

[frigid wedge]

yes but before it had other things u got from being a wander

and ok ade

now its just poor

might try to make it work at some point but idk

feels meh

double grace of the goddess maybe or smth would feel ok

how does

how does wisps work on sabo?

[finite quail]

what the fuck is that quest reward jewel lani

[frigid wedge]

oh its spells

[opal ingot]

juicy

[finite quail]

holy shit

[frigid wedge]

gross

[frigid wedge]

what leveling setup is that

[finite quail]

same cookie cutter levelling setup I've used for the last like

five years

[frigid wedge]

interesting

[finite quail]

goldrim, tabby, double blackheart, karui ward, ondar's clasp, darkness enthroned with levelling abyss jewels

then whatever weapon/offhand

and quicksilvers, then later on silver flask

[spice pecan]

can also go call of the void with purity of elements

[frigid wedge]

fair

[finite quail]

yep

Or winterweave + the skitterbots belt and skitterbots

[frigid wedge]

we should manastack kbof

for memes

[finite quail]

you should do it

[spice pecan]

as the #1 kbolt enjoyer on the planet, i dont think ill play kbof until they revert the 3.24 nerf

[frigid wedge]

so never?

i need to play a wander

[spice pecan]

str stack kbolt jugg does the trick for me

just swap out gmp for barrage for single target

[frigid wedge]

yeah ig

i just havent gotten round to a full commitment wander

ive always very briefly made like a 3d setup and moved on

idk

i should commit

but like

theres sm else i wanna play

such as screenwide rvob

https://pobb.in/w_97XawhOpWO
this without merc league config

:P

or just

the manastorm hiero

or mfa

[finite quail]

my default attack deals similar dps to my kbof

[icy zinc]

storm duty shield

[finite quail]

hooooly

giga jewel

[pallid frost]

can i somehow quickly put items into my stash so i dont have to click and drag?

[finite quail]

ctrl click

[spice pecan]

ctrl click

[pallid frost]

tysm

faster atks is from act 1 right?

[spice pecan]

with paid tabs you can also set up affinities by right clicking the tab name, so stuff will automatically go to the correct tab without having to navigate around

[pallid frost]

im not p2w

[finite quail]

yes

[tranquil sedge]

technically yes ur right but you also don't really have a choice in it later on lol

its basic game functionality

[finite quail]

its not p2w

[spice pecan]

every class except witch and templar

[pallid frost]

is it for money?

[tranquil sedge]

you don't have to pay NOW

not for the campaign certainly

that would be a waste

[pallid frost]

i mean the paid stashes

[finite quail]

you should be more than fine with 4 stash tabs in campaign and early maps

[pallid frost]

or paid tabs or whatever

[tranquil sedge]

yes, ofc

[finite quail]

but if you intend on playing more than that when you're in maps

[tranquil sedge]

but you seem to have misunderstood me

[finite quail]

you should think about getting paid tabs

since you'll be running out of space

[tranquil sedge]

if you think you'll really play this game for a long time you'll find its not really 'optional'

[finite quail]

Its up to you though, no need to do it now

[tranquil sedge]

the game is marketed as free to play with optional mtx

but in reality its more like 'free-to-try-forever-but-really-you'll-pay-eventually'

because the fact is 99.9% of people will not enjoy playing this game long-term without some essentially necessary storage tabs

[pallid frost]

ok esm

i got 40 hours in

so im a veteran

[tranquil sedge]

it'll cost you around $30-60 depending on what you wanna pay

you can think of that as 'the price of the game' if you like

[spice pecan]

its not that serious

[tranquil sedge]

no you're not lol

when you add a couple zeros to that number

feel free to call yourself that

[pallid frost]

i killed hillock im a veteran

[spice pecan]

it's bait

[tranquil sedge]

if you haven't even finished the campaign then obviously this conversation isn't going to matter

[spice pecan]

anyways

[tranquil sedge]

but if ur a troll then you can piss off

[spice pecan]

almost 5500

and im still dogshit

[tranquil sedge]

veteran isn't mutually exclusive with bad skill

-# me too

[spice pecan]

[earnest raven]

5k hours? Mythik is the goat

[pallid frost]

idk how people have more than 2k hours in one game

like i got 1K hours in 1 game i played alot

but thats it

[icy zinc]

standalone client people be like

[earnest raven]

Le sigh, i cant no life no more...

[tranquil sedge]

not with that attitude pfft

[pallid frost]

is vaal ice nova and vaal blight any good?

[tranquil sedge]

-# sadge me too

vaal is like a temporary charge of a more powerful version of the skill that u use, charge up, use, repeat

vaal ica nova gives u TWO skills
ice nova, and then the vaal version

[pallid frost]

ik

[tranquil sedge]

are you playing ice nova? if not then you're probably not gonna be scaling vaal ice nova either

same answer with vaal blight

thats simplifying things a bit but its a rough explanation

[pallid frost]

im playing roa

and why do i have 1.4k dps with roa but 5k dps with LA? is roa that much weaker?

[finite quail]

playing over a large amount of time

[finite quail]

dont be fooled by tooltip dps

thats the dps of a single rain of arrows arrow hitting

[pallid frost]

i played a long time when i was younger one game all day and still 1K hours

[brazen vector]

I hjave 12780 hours in guild wars 2, its not that hard to have more than 2k hours in 1 game

[tranquil sedge]

the tooltip is basically useless except to compare number go up or not within the same skill

don't be fooled by it xd

[pallid frost]

crazy

[finite quail]

rain of arrows is much better for dps than LA

because you shoot like 20 arrows

[pallid frost]

532.5 days is crazy

[finite quail]

and half of those hit the enemy you're targetting

[native abyss]

[finite quail]

[pallid frost]

thats alr

[finite quail]

technically a bit over 4k hours at this point from an old main account

[icy zinc]

we like hours

[brazen vector]

barely over a year, thts nothing when youre an old person

[pallid frost]

here it gets a bit no lifey

[pallid frost]

thats no life

[icy zinc]

ive crossed the wizardry

[finite quail]

I've been playing since 2015

[brazen vector]

how do you look at POE as an experienced person now?

[pallid frost]

alr thats ok

[brazen vector]

since you cracked 10k hours

[icy zinc]

stagnant xd

[finite quail]

Finally finished the tutorial

[icy zinc]

it'll pop off eventually

just wait

[brazen vector]

well, dont need 10k hours for that

no idea how much I played on standalone

[icy zinc]

idk you cant be expert even with these hours

theres so much things i might not know cause ive not played it

[native abyss]

just swapped for rain of arrows nice

[finite quail]

spent 9000 out of those 10000 hours playing slayer

[finite quail]

[brazen vector]

3.1k hours on steam

[icy zinc]

lmao

i do cross to melee a lot of times

[finite quail]

I mean thats what I used to do years ago

[icy zinc]

aye nice

[finite quail]

every league

[tranquil sedge]

also if you think these steam numbers are big

[finite quail]

budget flicker strike slayer

[tranquil sedge]

dont forget everyone here also uses path of building and chats in this discord

which isn't tracked on steam

[finite quail]

with tabby and abyssus and terminus est

and hating it

[brazen vector]

truuu

[tranquil sedge]

add another 10-30% in hours at least for most ppl

[brazen vector]

I always have PoB open as well

[finite quail]

Until I started doing off meta builds

[pallid frost]

WHAT GOLEM SHOULD I USE IF I USE ROA

LIGHTING OR FIRE?

flame is aoe dmg and aoe effect lighting is atk speed and mana regen

[finite quail]

whichever one you want

look at the golem buffs

[brazen vector]

both

[finite quail]

and choose one you think is best

[tranquil sedge]

more importantly you should continue any further questions in #1┃new-player-in-campaign-help

you'll get better answers

@pallid frost

[pallid frost]

no i rather annoy you in general srev

[tranquil sedge]

what a boring life you must live if you give that much of a shit about me

[finite quail]

brother just go to the help channel

[tranquil sedge]

see the neat thing is in general i can give you wrong answers if i want to and you literally wouldn't know the difference

[pallid frost]

nah 2 birds 1 stone, i get help from other people and i annoy you

[brazen vector]

srev, never forget, their hate is worth less than our love for you

[tranquil sedge]

and that'd be fine because there's no rules against trolling in this channel

unlike in the help channel, for example, where i'd be warned or kicked for doing that

[hard cliff]

I would know

I'm built different

[tranquil sedge]

he wouldn't 😄

[hard cliff]

who

[pallid frost]

me

[tranquil sedge]

the guy who cares so much what i think of him 😄

[pallid frost]

nah i js wna annoy you, different

[tranquil sedge]

who values my feelings so much he'd waste keystrokes and literal time from his limited lifespan in an effort to upset me

truly i feel valued

[pallid frost]

i got alot of time left

and i also waste your time

[brazen vector]

block and move on

[tranquil sedge]

can't really call it wasting my time when im here to shitpost for an couple hours before bed anyway lol

[hard cliff]

henlo

[tranquil sedge]

every second gone is another second gone from what you have left, im not the one losing out on this deal brother

i was going to be chatting in discord anyway 😄

[pallid frost]

alr

[pallid frost]

also cant use 2 golems

[spice pecan]

its not even 7am and i bought a bottle of wine to reread this with

[brazen vector]

right how could I forget about the nodes that allow for additional golems on the tree that they deleted (NOT)

[hard cliff]

it's 10 am and I gotta get out of bed to reset the internet

[spice pecan]

might as well turn the DTs into comedy

[hard cliff]

[pallid frost]

then why tell me i can use 2 golems

[normal hedge]

@frigid wedge hii

[pallid frost]

and not even tell me abt the nodes that allow for more golems

[brazen vector]

how should I know how much you know about the game? there are additional golem nodes, ezpz

[stoic horizon]

since this is not the new player channel we assume you can read

[brazen vector]

yea

[spice pecan]

[somber sundial]

Man can’t you pump golems up like 200% inc effect

[ocean field]

does this apply to self hits from fross

[normal hedge]

yes

[tranquil sedge]

yah

medium clusters go brr

[somber sundial]

That is big juicy

[somber sundial]

Rares or mega

[ocean field]

yipee

[tranquil sedge]

whoops apparently not mediums

[icy zinc]

inexorable is king for bone shatter asw

[tranquil sedge]

larges

[somber sundial]

Oh

[tranquil sedge]

primordial bond on large rares or megalos

[normal hedge]

you can have way more than 200% inc effect

lol

[tranquil sedge]

megalo is the way to go i guess if ur stacking that particular notable

[native abyss]

feel like i can finally play the game after getting a headhunter

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Primordial_Bond

[somber sundial]

Righto

[ocean field]

btw what are the jewels or items that can allocate passives far away from tree

[icy zinc]

megalomanias with primordial bond go for hundred of divs

[tranquil sedge]

for that 1 mod?

[icy zinc]

theres a few jewels

[somber sundial]

Yep there it is

[icy zinc]

yap

[modern zinc]

this game is hard

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

[somber sundial]

I knew it would be expensive

[icy zinc]

well ONE mod could go for 25 div

to be fair

[modern zinc]

I have a lot of ES on all my pieces of gear and I still only have 4k ES

[icy zinc]

depends on demand

[modern zinc]

• discipline too

[somber sundial]

Mfw I’ve gotten megas like that and sold them for 1div

[brazen vector]

thread of hope, impossible escape

[tranquil sedge]

yea but think about how the pathing on megalos works vs 8p large clusters

if u really wanted to stack golem effect and couldn't afford megalos

[somber sundial]

[tranquil sedge]

8p large would work fine

[ocean field]

thanks anything else??

[tranquil sedge]

maybe you spend a couple extra passives no biggie

[normal hedge]

ive paid 0.5 mirror in 3.26 in a enduring composuring + primordial bond one

[somber sundial]

It would yea you right

[brazen vector]

non jewels would be anointable blight uniques

[fallen lava]

Depends what you consider to be a lot. Plus you need ES on your tree, and there are ways of converting life to ES or gaining extra ES from life.

[somber sundial]

Gonna cry stop

[ocean field]

hmm I see

[tranquil sedge]

if you wanna share a pob we'll happily break down where to get more es

[somber sundial]

Don’t even tell me about it

I know for a fact I dropped one like that

[spice pecan]

i loved heart of thorns so much

[tranquil sedge]

get rich in 3.28 and live ur golemancer dreams

[brazen vector]

[tranquil sedge]

go from casual andy to big boi choccy

[normal hedge]

in standard its prolly more

[brazen vector]

last good expansion 11 years ago

xd

[somber sundial]

My leagues would go so much better if I found a way to farm sims

[normal hedge]

uhm

[spice pecan]

i thought path of fire was okay but i never finished the main story

[somber sundial]

I am perfectly okay with farming sims all league

[tranquil sedge]

** if** I found a way to farm sims

??

if??

[spice pecan]

i do have my full spinal blades backpack tho

[normal hedge]

wym if

[tranquil sedge]

wdym if

[somber sundial]

I mean I can’t make a good enough build

[finite quail]

cws

[modern zinc]

it's fine, i'm just venting

[tranquil sedge]

hahah

[somber sundial]

Too dumb and don’t like the playstyle

[modern zinc]

I'm going to start using 5 endurance charges soon

5.5k life 3k ES will be enough I think

[somber sundial]

I’m too dumb to make that

[normal hedge]

i was doing 12min sims with regular kb

[tranquil sedge]

thats nice but if ur a primarily or entirely ES build, pump those numbers up 😄

[finite quail]

then make a triple lucky block character with recovery on block

[tranquil umbra]

just watch emiracles

[normal hedge]

its not a big deal

its not even that hard

[somber sundial]

No way you can do sims with kb

That’s cool

I wanna do sims with kb

That’d be so fast

[tranquil umbra]

you can do sims with any build if you invest enough

[brazen vector]

I did sims on my KBoC

[somber sundial]

Clear the entire goddamn map without moving

[tranquil sedge]

im ngl choccy the way you type makes u sound like an experienced player sometimes and then other times its like ur a new player

really funny

[spice pecan]

wait i thought my spinal blades were exclusive to having played LS1-4 at the time wtf

you can still make that shit??

[brazen vector]

yes

[normal hedge]

cws is slower, if all you wanna do is sims i wouldnt do cws

[somber sundial]

Bc I have a friend that teaches me a lot

[spice pecan]

that's beyond fucked up

[tranquil sedge]

but yea if u wanna do sims just pick a build that can farm it next league and chill

[somber sundial]

Without their guidance I would be completely lost

[brazen vector]

I dont like fomo stuff and thats gw2 sadly

[somber sundial]

All my knowledge comes from them

So if they don’t know, neither do I

[spice pecan]

you just replay the LS and you can get it just like back in the day?

damn i thought i had a status symbol

[brazen vector]

you craft it now

[normal hedge]

do they say simulacrums are the hardest thing in the game and no builds can farm it?

[tranquil sedge]

pick cws or triple lucky glad or something if you want to afk

if no need to afk then go with kb or whatever else ppl suggesting here

sims aren't that bad to farm dw

[somber sundial]

They do not say that no

[spice pecan]

first they took my vigil's keep main city, then they took my status symbol

[somber sundial]

They say, Sims require builds that can take a lot of little hits

[spice pecan]

you have to be able to take big hits too

[somber sundial]

True

[spice pecan]

kosis punch on wave 15 is no joke

[normal hedge]

i did it in phrecia with poison animate ranged weapons, i could afk aswell but i was only getting 5 ~ 6 rewards, with kb i was getting 7

[somber sundial]

But majority of the time you’ll be constantly in a bully circle getting shoved around, yeah you’ll get socked in the mouth but you’re getting shoved most of the time

[spice pecan]

straight donkey kick to the domepiece from w15 kosis

[tranquil umbra]

just parry it

smh

[normal hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dark-souls3-parry

[spice pecan]

have to stand parry it but ryu is still safe because of the pushback

sadge

[normal hedge]

parry to get 1 frenzy charge

what a great mechanic

[spice pecan]

red parry gives 2 frenzies

and if you fail the red parry you fucking die

[normal hedge]

holy

[tranquil umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-parry-gif-6403367206116278753

[spice pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzS96auqau0

jwong is my goat but holy fuck daigo went ultra instinct on this

[normal hedge]

in HD

cannot see a thing

[somber sundial]

He is not nice when you don’t have a big build yeah

[spice pecan]

dont worry you cant hear anything either

[somber sundial]

When sims stop being a problem clear wise, then I just start cranking them out

[spice pecan]

after the thing happens

the funniest part is that someone in the crowd shouts "lets go justin" right before he gets completely obliterated

[somber sundial]

“I farmed 50 sims so you didn’t have to” brother I’m on my 200th sim and I’m not even close to done

[normal hedge]

is it because he blocked every attack?

[spice pecan]

parrying is like a 6 frame window

and he parried 17 hits in a row and followed it up

[somber sundial]

Oh this video

Yeah classic insane gamer move

[spice pecan]

he didn't just block, he would have died if he blocked

[normal hedge]

oh i see

hes 1hp

[lethal bloom]

does anyone know a necromancer build where the user had 14+k es?

[somber sundial]

Yeah it’s like if you could skill your way out of guaranteed death

[spice pecan]

yeah, he would have died to chip damage

[split maple]

wasnt there some es stack animate weapon of self reflection stuff?

[pallid frost]

is getting a vaal flicker strike gem a sign to switch over to flicker?

[normal hedge]

yes

do it

[modern zinc]

I read Brazil

[pallid frost]

even if im in act 4?

[normal hedge]

brazil mentioned

[finite quail]

poe.ninja, select keepers, sort by necromancer, sort by highest es

[finite quail]

no

[pallid frost]

ok

[normal hedge]

yeah sounds the best thing you can do rn

[finite quail]

no yeah you should totally do it

absolutely 100%

you're totally not gonna suffer a lot

[pallid frost]

alr

[normal hedge]

vaal fs is so op

[finite quail]

and hate it

[split maple]

a real nice way to build character +1

[finite quail]

and drop the game

right after doing it

totally

[normal hedge]

it can 1shot uber exarch with 4m dps

[split maple]

lamb dont spoil the fun

flicker strike campaign is smh every player should try once

[finite quail]

Lmfao

[normal hedge]

just need to ramp impales and use the op impale ring

[finite quail]

Uhhuh uhhuh

[tranquil umbra]

flicker in act 7 with phrecia was real nice though let me tell you

[normal hedge]

never tried flicker but i feel like it would give me a migraine

[tranquil umbra]

if you have mtx

yes

[split maple]

its honestly pretty ok once you get used to not watching the screen directly

[tranquil umbra]

absolutely

[normal hedge]

wait theres mtx for flicker

[split maple]

still respeced after a day when i tried it

[normal hedge]

lol

or you mean herald of ice

[pallid frost]

hey srev alt acc

[normal hedge]

huh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dPJ4vc7LB0

thats kinda pretty

[pallid frost]

-100fps

[hybrid harness]

jeseh

[sand grove]

man

the hell did i do-

[native abyss]

damn legion kinda fun

[sand grove]

the last time i played the game i didnt crash when going in a map

[whole bluff]

49s eater, this is starting to get decent

[modern zinc]

I think it's a cool concept but I can't break the chests and lieutenants before the timer runs out

[whole bluff]

I'

I'm even still using thunderfist and whispers of infinity despite being all in on blade blast in the helm that needs neither

and I need a bloodline

that would make some herald give like 50% more dmg

[scarlet jacinth]

This one works with detonate dead right (using DD of scavenging)

[tranquil umbra]

consume and explode are different keywords

[whole bluff]

Should definitely. Works with DD I'm 99% sure

[tranquil umbra]

rly

[normal hedge]

it does counts as consuming corpses iirc

[tranquil umbra]

interesting

[scarlet jacinth]

Yea thats what i was thinking. Kinda hard to be sure as it doesn't seem to have an active buff at top of screen

[whole bluff]

Staff CoC VD used to hit double it's CoC breakpoint using 2 spells due to that node

Desecrate and VD in the same link

[lilac parcel]

this guy here says it matters where you put the item in the recombinator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VU-dUJDVXQ left to right , i dont belive him

[tranquil umbra]

ok?

[scarlet jacinth]

Looking at other builds using it the only difference i can see is that they use Desecrate and DD of chain reaction instead of usingg DD scavenging(what i use)
Kinda unfortunate it doesn't have an active buff at top of screen as i have no clue if its working

[whole bluff]

I'm very skeptical of poe content creators ever since poe2 grabbed a lot of people's attention

[brazen vector]

hes just saying it as a joke

[lilac parcel]

he doesnt seem he be joking

[brazen vector]

its barricade, ofc hes joking

[finite quail]

I don't think that is a thing

[whole bluff]

Suddenly there's people here who aren't super mathy giga nerds, so there's easy money here, so quality went down

[lilac parcel]

i dont think either

[modern zinc]

I've never tried concoction before

I think i'll give it a go? it looks fun

[tranquil umbra]

good starter for sure

[pulsar dune]

if a skeleton lives for 12 frames, and cwdt has 6 frames of cd, that will work for looping if you get the two sets of skeletons at the right timing, right?

[spice pecan]

all i know is you need exactly 74% reduced skelly duration from 4x to dust jewels

[pulsar dune]

huh

is there a massive source of less duration I'm missing

[spice pecan]

to dust

[pulsar dune]

I'm at like 95% reduced and ~60% less

[whole bluff]

I think you will with the easy setup get a trigger every 12 frames. If you can do something more complicated, you have to do complicated math

[spice pecan]

no, you just use 4x to dust jewels

that total up to exactly 74%

[tranquil umbra]

what even is that build btw

[spice pecan]

wardloop i assume

[tranquil umbra]

ah

[pulsar dune]

heartbound loop hits you when a minion dies, skeletons summon 2-3 at a time, and can get their duration reduced

[whole bluff]

I count frames rather than follow stat numbers. Let's me know I got it right. But for chaining triggers on different frames, that's more complicated than anything I did

[spice pecan]

at least it's 74% exactly when using a total level 12 summon skeletons to start the loop

[pulsar dune]

you need 74 because there is 25 reduced on tree for 99% reduced

[spice pecan]

it might be different if you're using a different level of summon skeletons

[pulsar dune]

I assume

[spice pecan]

uhh, lemme log into my wardlooper

[pulsar dune]

except it's now 45 reduced on tree

[modern zinc]

concoction not chaining is a bit of a bummer, but I think I can get over it

[pulsar dune]

(tho idk if you are pathing to that cluster, I do, but it's probably more point-efficient to just take another jewel

[whole bluff]

What's skeleton base duration and cwdt base CD again? I did this from scratch in keepers

[spice pecan]

no, i don't have any minion clusters besides dread march

and no minion nodes on tree allocated

[lilac parcel]

i managed to get to this

[whole bluff]

Hmm. So with 99% reduced duration, they last 0.2s, which is 7 frames?

So a bit more?

[spice pecan]

it depends on server ticks

not frames

frames are client side afaik

[pulsar dune]

the thesis was as follows
frame 0: summon 3 skeletons (call them A)
frame 6: summon another 3 skeletons (B)
frame 12: skeletons A die, cwdt triggers more skeletons (C)
frame 18: skeletons B die, cwdt triggers more skeletons (D)
frame 24: C die, cwdt procs more
...
but I have no idea if you can be that strict with the timing

[whole bluff]

Ah, sorry I meant ticks

[spice pecan]

also yeah i have the reduced duration wheel

so 74 +25 is 99

[lilac parcel]

can i brick the item ? if if i do the white sockets ?it doesnot rerol the item no ?

[pulsar dune]

yea, IG it's just a 7 frame loop no matter what

skeletons I assume aren't linked to anything

[spice pecan]

you can hit cdr breakpoints to make it faster

9/27/52/90 are the wardloop cdr breakpoints

[pulsar dune]

yea I'm not hitting 52 on this setup

[bitter hound]

I wish poe would let me interact with my shop / currency exchange out of game, GeForce now is horrible on mobile

[pulsar dune]

and 27 is 6 frame CD, so 7 frame loop I assume

[spice pecan]

my wardlooper is on 9 cdr dont worry

[whole bluff]

You could probably do it if you could force (B) exactly 6 frames later, but that seems very tricky

[spice pecan]

if you're on lockstep then the server will authenticate it based on the tick rate

but loopers aren't playable on predictive anyway

[pulsar dune]

oh wait, if you are on 9cdr, then it works with exact frame counts

that's nice

[spice pecan]

yeah 9cdr is super easy to get

52 is like, only sabo

and 90 is unreal

27 is not viable since we lost our belt slot to ynda's stand

[pulsar dune]

90 would be feasible for lightning warp lmao

[tranquil umbra]

does wardloop have a guide anywhere that I might look into? this sounds very interesting

[pulsar dune]

I'm not going for ward

[whole bluff]

I guess this is a bit beyond me, I think I tested life length in ticks to sync it. Idk if they can die the frame it goes off CD. But it's easier (cheaper) messing with duration than cooldown to check

Plus then the blessed rebirth so it can't fail once setup, except for the temporal bubble for which you become a skeleton selfcaster

[next pawn]

[whole bluff]

Since I had all dmg poisons and all spells got big flat from jiquani, tornado kinda carried temporal bubbles

[spice pecan]

90 cdr is like really really hard to hit

[normal hedge]

oh shit

[spice pecan]

since there's no adorned for abyss jewels outside of darkness enthroned

[whole bluff]

But my build was unplayable above like t7 essence cuz it was undergeared and half-assed

[spice pecan]

and even that's just 6 extra cdr with a 100% roll, i dont even think a 99% roll rounds up

[whole bluff]

So I did breach and essence while watching YouTube

To farm another build

[ocean field]

does the divine orb randomise all the values simultaneously lower or higher or different for each mod

[spice pecan]

it randomizes them within their tiers

[whole bluff]

Used ward from int with the ward helm

[split maple]

different for each

[pulsar dune]

I'm trying to do make burden work

[split maple]

some can even stay same

[pulsar dune]

currently I have the worst tree ever

[ocean field]

oh I see

[pulsar dune]

since I want 6 life masteries

[ocean field]

thank u

but damm

Now I gotta repeat my recomb oof

[pulsar dune]

amazing

[ocean field]

what sort of a pathing is this

[spice pecan]

bro

just take the 3 suppress nodes

and use intuitive leap to hit charisma

i think it hits the chaos dot notable too

[icy zinc]

1 mod is open

[whole bluff]

Lmao

Would be cool if your build is actually playable and not just a proof of concept though

[lilac parcel]

will the harvest brake it ?

add white socket

[whole bluff]

Mine was a disaster

[split maple]

wont break it

[pulsar dune]

yea, I have a little bit of hope for this

[icy zinc]

`^

reforge colour wont

kinda insane 4 mod sceptre tho

[pulsar dune]

lifestacking means you have to hit 6 life masteries for the 10% more

(btw, does eldritch battery work with blood magic?)

[whole bluff]

6 life masteries on ranger is a cruel mechanic

[whole bluff]

I actually never thought of testing. But you want the more life so I guess this is the one case where it's worth testing

[opal ingot]

xd

[ocean field]

bruh this is hmm

[opal ingot]

i tried respeccing to 6 life mastery wheels on my ranger just for pure hp for 5 ways

ate up so much points i started wondering how that mastery would even be worth it

(granted i was just looking at the lens of a ranger)

[pulsar dune]

hm, actually, my only lifestack payoff is flat

so there is no point in fucking up my tree to hit the 10% more damage

so I should just plot a sane tree

[ocean field]

this is lowkey some masochist type shit

[pulsar dune]

thanks for the rubber duck

[whole bluff]

It is worth when lifestacking on templar, questionable on shadow but doable, I'd imagine it's worst on ranger

[opal ingot]

this fucking game just buffered my multistrike after flamedashing reee

safe to say i died to the drowning orb as my character t ook the entire time to cast smite

[whole bluff]

I haven't actually checked how messed up ranger is for life. I just know everyone says it is

[lilac parcel]

there amny people in poe that cant replay messages?

i have this problem pretty often

are they bots ?

changing all sokets to white is only good if you wanna keep it for mirror services yes ?

[pulsar dune]

there are 4 life masteries on the right side of the tree, 1 on the right side of scion
there are 8 life masteries on the left side of the tree, 1 on the left side of scion

[whole bluff]

Could be, could be bad at English, or someone in a bad mood who wanted to be efficient and something something

[pulsar dune]

well, 1 of the 8 is almost directly below duelist

[lilac parcel]

there is no point in changing all sokets to white if you dont plan to mirror service an item

[icy zinc]

day 1 efficiency gamers

[tranquil sedge]

or just ppl who messaged multiple people and only reply/accept first one

[whole bluff]

Damn, that's actually very skewed

[opal ingot]

eater down

[lilac parcel]

not for long

[opal ingot]

time to eat exarch

[icy zinc]

try to message the highest lvl kids on day 1 and annoy them

[whole bluff]

Yup

[hard cliff]

I love this

you better not

Hmmmm

that didn't reply

[opal ingot]

yeah pretty weird too

[icy zinc]

heh

[opal ingot]

im guessing those people can't speak english

though if they couldn't couldn't they just go "??"

instead they just literally not reply at all

wasting both of our times standing around

[lilac parcel]

and they never offer correctprice

[whole bluff]

Test

[lilac parcel]

they always come and offer some random price

[opal ingot]

LMAO

it happened to me a bunch of times too

[icy zinc]

icles

[opal ingot]

back when async wasn't a thing

[icy zinc]

gottem

[lilac parcel]

i was thinking the are cheating bots

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/point-hold-up-you-see-that-right-there-let-him-cook-gif-2125822872121564185

[opal ingot]

smh be considerate of them

its possible they dont play with a keyboard

they have to struggle with only playing a mouse

[lilac parcel]

well i was pretty okay man , but i dont offer him 90% discount he offered me only 2 chaos wtf

[whole bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-cooking-fire-cook-cooking-on-fire-gif-27330611

[lilac parcel]

for a 20 chaos price

[tranquil sedge]

what were you even selling

[opal ingot]

nah dont worry about it i was joking about them not having a keybaord xd

yeah there are absolute weirdos like those

[tranquil sedge]

like async was invented for exactly this

[opal ingot]

pay for the amount less than the price, not replying and everything

[tranquil sedge]

why are you selling it from here instead of through faustus

[lilac parcel]

faustus only has like 10 slots no ?

cant put more in him

[tranquil sedge]

correct

[lilac parcel]

can buy more tabs for faust?

[tranquil sedge]

okay fair enough if ur flipping in all 10 or something i guess

no, cannot

[lilac parcel]

i gave up flipping 6 months ago

when faust came in

[whole bluff]

Faustus + his pet octopus are busy at 10 simultaneous things to hold ✅

[tranquil sedge]

im just saying

if u dont want to deal with people like that

you should be selling on faustus that is all

[lilac parcel]

if i insta sell in to faust its the flippers who eat it , the greedy flippers not the okay ones like i was one

the 200% flipers tipe

[whole bluff]

I put 10 maps in mappers. They gave me a divine and took all my gold. Idk if to be happy

[tranquil sedge]

i dont even know what to say to that

it is not important who buys your items

you set the price

anyone who buys it is a buyer, its irrelevant

[icy zinc]

in poe 2 your faustus(ange) sells lineage gems(basically awakened support gems) at like 250 divines and you can buy it for 175 divines

[tranquil sedge]

and you understand flippers can only exist because people want them to?

[icy zinc]

around 15-45 min for 75 div flips

[blissful zodiac]

morning

[icy zinc]

xdd

[tranquil sedge]

like flippers are part of the reason you can instant sell items

[blissful zodiac]

gng

[lilac parcel]

if i set the fair price ? i have to wait for days to empty in standard

[tranquil sedge]

flippers are the part of the reason you can instant buy items

[whole bluff]

Morning

[lilac parcel]

theres no longer okay flipers in poe 1 standard only the rmt horders who want 100% profit

[tranquil sedge]

doesn't that kinda mean the fair price is lower than what you're setting tho

[whole bluff]

Btw. Eater is probably crazier this phrecia than last. Just as predicted, assuming free risk scarabs give more forbiddens

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

that is wild

alright good luck with the sales then

[whole bluff]

I did a 160% quant eater earlier today

[lilac parcel]

no stock

standard-dead , ssf

[icy zinc]

how about 150% packsize exarch

[opal ingot]

speaking of boss

[whole bluff]

You should get 7 valdo ghosts messing up the arena

[opal ingot]

just fought voidstone eater, he was significantly easier than the hivebrain glands

[whole bluff]

Beams everywhere

[icy zinc]

[native abyss]

exile do something

[whole bluff]

Eater is literally like 1d entrance, if you roll then decently 100% quant with risk unless very unlucky, up to like 170% probably, so instead of like 1/10 to get forbidden like on no-mods, 2-2.7/10

[lilac parcel]

how can i farm hinekoras locket?

[whole bluff]

And they're worth like 15-19d or something

[lilac parcel]

is there away ?

[twilit granite]

what type of mtx did I gain

[icy zinc]

orc

[whole bluff]

If we say your average invite has 21% chance to drop a forbidden, and your average price is 16d, that's like 3.3d per run, lmao. You also get exceptional ichors quite often

"Doctors hate him"

[icy zinc]

whos dropping that many forbiddens

ive had 10 kills in a row without one

[whole bluff]

Same, I also dropped 3 in a row though :>

[icy zinc]

very same

[whole bluff]

I prolly went 15-20 dry at some point

[opal ingot]

exarch time

how many times will i die to firebal

not gonna wear a ruby flask

because that is for kids

[whole bluff]

Does your build have adds?

[slender pawn]

when does phercia end?

[icy zinc]

next thursday

[whole bluff]

19th

[opal ingot]

fuck i was so close

[whole bluff]

Exarch game is good practice ngl. I went from ultra shit to quite decent in a league of farming

[opal ingot]

ragh two portals

he went bat shit in the end and shaper started beaming me

[whole bluff]

I failed my first exarch this league, but my graphics crashed like 3 times

[opal ingot]

thankfully he didn't do another fireball phase

failed like 6 portalling it?

[whole bluff]

Yup

[opal ingot]

rip

[whole bluff]

It's just a t16 map to get a new quest version, so no biggie

[opal ingot]

damn im not feeling the other 2 voidstones now

[whole bluff]

I didn't expect to make it on second attempt but figured I'd give shaders another chance to load things

[opal ingot]

im not quite good at syndicate, but it's so annoying how everytime it chooses a new leader, it always picks a damn 1 star

it's like, i can't use interrogate to speed things up xd

[sour wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[whole bluff]

I have no idea what they did to syndicate in rework, so idk if I know it anymore

[sour wadi]

you play the game

and get currency drops

nothing else matters, if currency drop it has a chance to be lock

get stronger better do more game faster

more currency drop

more chance at lock

[whole bluff]

If it still works like that, rival everyone with everyone and stack chance for reinforcements + get 100% additional rank

[lilac parcel]

please wish me luck

[split maple]

good luck

[whole bluff]

Gl

[icy zinc]

@sour wadislipperyjim

[sour wadi]

snap into a slip jim

[icy zinc]

where did +spell mod go

dang

[opal ingot]

yep thats my plan

[lilac parcel]

i still have that

[icy zinc]

roll +400% more currency in t17

[lilac parcel]

this was just one that is broken

[icy zinc]

[icy zinc]

ah okay

[sour wadi]

mo money

anyone ever watch that movie

mo money

with damon wayans

[whole bluff]

Kira was doing betrayal in phrecia, he made very good profit on it

[lilac parcel]

thats why i want hinekoras

[opal ingot]

though i did a little it of vibing and interrogating any 2 stars who are last/on their own since the right side option is dogshit

almost always dogshit

"x moves this group"

idk how i can guarantee a flat intel on the right side

[opal ingot]

which sometimes leads me to the picture i just sent, when a 1 star becomes a leader

[whole bluff]

Use right side for trusted so they can backstab each other. That's how you make rivals

[opal ingot]

oh yeah i do that too

[whole bluff]

Ah, good

[lilac parcel]

whish me luck again

[whole bluff]

Gl

[opal ingot]

do u know of any way to manipulate right side though?

[split maple]

glgl

[opal ingot]

for the last syndicate membebr you interrogate

[spice pecan]

-50c, i feel like 50c for this is a steal

[lilac parcel]

garbage again

[whole bluff]

Not really, can maybe get extra chance to bargain for items and juice their drops when bargained, but iirc that hurts cata farm?

[opal ingot]

now that im sitting on t16 maps, i can go back to making twilight regalias now

[opal ingot]

i think it does, bbecause it would overwrite the options to gain intel, no?

[icy zinc]

3.5 dead mods

but ye 50c

:P

big life

[whole bluff]

Yup

[fossil mural]

Just ignore the board

[opal ingot]

which is why thebtrayal atlases i see recently skip those nodes

[spice pecan]

life, fire res, and explicit chaos res

[fossil mural]

And spam city square

[icy zinc]

holy city square

[spice pecan]

and lgok is not bad either

[icy zinc]

sorta

[spice pecan]

it's a 4mod ring that came with quality so

[icy zinc]

genesis tree prints nice rings

overall

you can get 3 res big life and wed/something else

[spice pecan]

i dont print anything but magebloods and double explode bereks

[whole bluff]

I'm listening. I have no phrecia experience. If you did it in phrecia, or even in keepers, you likely know more

[spice pecan]

and currency

from tree

[fossil mural]

In phrecia you can ignore the board

Cause its super unlikely to ger a faster safehouse

[spice pecan]

ignore board in general

[opal ingot]

oh im seeing it now, so just stack up on intel clear per map

[fossil mural]

From normal intel

Yea

[opal ingot]

just go strait to map oss?

[spice pecan]

it's fucking dogshit to set up and grav got nuked

[opal ingot]

okok

time to make some cash

[lilac parcel]

if i hit the hunter exalt this , i will get the exact same mace forbidden throve has , for mirror service they ask 1 mirror for service

[fossil mural]

In normal leagues you want higher rank dudes I believe?

Since its intel per rank

[opal ingot]

i think the safehouse leader also has to eb rank 3

or u get shittier rewards

[fossil mural]

But in phrecia its safehouse every 2 maps

[whole bluff]

Ah btw. Kira's idol setup was focused on: +50 free intel per map. Maybe extra rank idr

@opaque sphinx

[fossil mural]

Dont even bother with board ngl

[opal ingot]

KIRA

HELP ME

[lilac parcel]

what ngl means ?

[whole bluff]

I think if you can rank someone up, it's prolly just a bonus

[fossil mural]

New game lus

[lilac parcel]

lus ?

[whole bluff]

Just get safehouse every 2 maps

[fossil mural]

Light under skies

[lilac parcel]

what lus means ?

new game light under skies?

[fossil mural]

😂

Yes

[lilac parcel]

im old person mate

[opal ingot]

this is so fucked

i have to play the game to put the 2x2 boxes

[fossil mural]

Yea

[icy zinc]

you do

[fossil mural]

Otherwise its way slower

Tbh you still get a safehouse every 3-4 maps

Even with 2 conq idols

[icy zinc]

115/115 needs vaults of atziri

[fossil mural]

Then once you are done with atlas you quickly finish the pinnacles

Actually I think you can get 3 conq idols before full atlas

Right

[icy zinc]

myeh

[fossil mural]

Botton left is 60 objectives

And then bosses

Top right is 100 and 115 obj

[whole bluff]

How comfy are you with uber elder or maven? Maven is my issue on those, and she took some tries but tries are cheap. Uber elder is like 500c, but I find it very easy so I just did it the usual way. They're way faster for stones than completion anyhow, if you can do them

[frigid wedge]

hiii rilay

[fossil mural]

Yea uber elder can be ass

[frigid wedge]

did u actively ping me just to say hi?

[fossil mural]

If you dont have a tanky build and afraid

[icy zinc]

motion sensor: hi

[fossil mural]

Everybody farming that indigon KEKL

[whole bluff]

I just played since forever, did my first uber elder on HC in 2019 or something. And countless times since. Maven though

[normal hedge]

yes

[frigid wedge]

hihiiii

[whole bluff]

I probably watched the uber elder guide by engineering eternity several times before trying. Rehearsing the phase order. And played an 8k life max block tank that triggered lightning spells with shield charge, triggered autoretaliate on block, vaal lightning strike to trigger storm brands and ball lightnings, that all poisoned and summoned HoAg which was OP xD

[opal ingot]

seems like the fastest way to get 4 2x2s there is killing maven andshaper

no need to kill ue

and just need 100

[whole bluff]

Ah, then go for those. Shaper had some weird stuff but was easy. Maven is at least not expensive

[whole bluff]

I don't even know what shapers gauntlet stuff is

[opal ingot]

something more fucked, proablby

cuz he has a ton of phases

[whole bluff]

I think maybe just extra clones? Maven has some aura areas floating around doedre style, iirc

Uber elder has drowning orbs

Normal elder has an elder guardian when you defend shaper

[fossil mural]

Dont trust ai

[fossil mural]

I didnt notice anything personally

[whole bluff]

Same

[icy zinc]

NGL, no game (no) life

[fossil mural]

Maybe the screen was a bit more cluttered

[frigid wedge]

fuck man why u gotta do that to me

[whole bluff]

I did it witnessed, so extras might have been that

But since they nerfed shapers slam targeting he is easier than ever

[native abyss]

rich wtf

[whole bluff]

That might have been me

I buy in div cuz gold

Even if it costs 20c more

Profit margin is insane so it's worth

I wonder if I can list one of the unid forbiddens for 20% less but in chaos on Faustus

Or if that might not work, or might ruin market

[opal ingot]

wtest

wheres aul when you need him the most

[frigid wedge]

in the mines

[tranquil umbra]

depth 420

[cosmic raptor]

Need new leg

[opal ingot]

maybe its time to stop

[frigid wedge]

templar after his mana is taken from him

[spice pecan]

TMDWU

[frigid wedge]

what

[brazen vector]

Pepis

[modern zinc]

that's most definitely what's up

[modern zinc]

wait

[opal ingot]

This is me 40 years from now

[modern zinc]

you're telling me that if I get 100% spell suppress

[frigid wedge]

when you find that one unique to fix the build

[opal ingot]

With energy drink on my hand

[modern zinc]

I don't need to have spellblock?

[opal ingot]

That's the deadeye philosophy

They cap spell suppress and the rest of the defensive layer is making sure no one gets close

[tranquil umbra]

why not both

[opal ingot]

Though yeah generally if u have capped spell block u don't need suppress and the other way around, but some people have swore to always cap spell suppress

[icy zinc]

insert "atlas" strat here https://www.rxddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/91v4wf/loot_from_10000_burial_chambers/

[modern zinc]

hmmmmmmm

[icy zinc]

<example>

[tranquil umbra]

the only time I've capped suppress was when I was using acrobatics so I wasn't even suppressing anything

[modern zinc]

doing both sounds extremely difficult and expensive

[opal ingot]

Expensive is relative

[tranquil umbra]

not really? shields are cracked nowadays

[split maple]

if you are rightside suppress is like free, no?

[frigid wedge]

this dude is a fucking goldmine

[tranquil umbra]

also yeah rightside gets so much suppress naturally

like there is just a 39% suppress wheel

[opal ingot]

I've never really explored much of left side

Idk what lies there

[tranquil umbra]

no suppress nodes

[modern zinc]

that's a lot of points that could be going somewhere else

[icy zinc]

some armour nodes

[opal ingot]

I've dabbled in the top side, almost lived the right side, left side no idea XD

[split maple]

thats 4 passives...

[frigid wedge]

inquis when you forget to stack int too

[split maple]

for being able to cheapen out on gear

[tranquil umbra]

?

[opal ingot]

There's a suppress wheel close to magebane lol

[tranquil umbra]

not that bro

[modern zinc]

oh

[split maple]

innerverate whell bro

invenerate

inveterate

fuckign english

[tranquil umbra]

lol

[native abyss]

[modern zinc]

oh yeah that one's pretty busted

[whole bluff]

Inventerate

[modern zinc]

you even get a mastery with it

[whole bluff]

Inventerate + foulborn oppressor + lucky surprise

Who seriously needs more than 71% lucky surpress

[split maple]

well now with invenerate whell its so doable to cap suppress

[hard cliff]

wtf is lucky surprise

[split maple]

that lucky is legit wasted passive

[tranquil umbra]

we play spell dodge in this house

I really need foulborns to stay for foulborn oppressor

[whole bluff]

Tempest shield + foulborn espressor needs like 1 wheel and some jewel for spell block cap though

[hard cliff]

I should make brownies

[tight plinth]

no

[whole bluff]

With hashish?

[tight plinth]

yes

[whole bluff]

And give them to your grandma

[hard cliff]

No that's a waste lol

[hard cliff]

she died two years ago

[whole bluff]

Ah, rip

We are both grandmaless

[hard cliff]

🫂

[tranquil umbra]

they should add like foulborn divine orbs that only drop from perfect breachstones
they work as regular divines but also have a chance to turn a modifier into a foulborn

[whole bluff]

I think they should just make a foulborn orb

[split maple]

i will buy supporter pack if they move fbl currencies to sancutm and add fbl divine that lucky rerolls mods

[tranquil umbra]

I mean this also works

[stuck phoenix]

Foublorn

[whole bluff]

That can foulborn or destroy a unique (if required for balance), or add a grasping mail mod

[karmic idol]

Can someone tell me how to unlock the locked windows here?

[stuck phoenix]

Lol

[split maple]

do all quest invites

[tranquil sedge]

fbl to sanctum is a nice idea

[split maple]

they will still be locked but at least you will be able to roll it

[whole bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[karmic idol]

done em all

figured they would unlock

[whole bluff]

Then you can roll that thing with currency

[split maple]

i bet no one even knows you can get tainted currencies from sanctumy 😄

[karmic idol]

ah got you

[tranquil sedge]

sanctum and betrayal

either could work