1┃general

[pulsar dune]

God modern LLMs have a way of making discord conversations even less meaningful than usual

[somber sundial]

You know I just realized if they didn’t rework rage, cleave of rage would actually be better

[limber lance]

last sentence to that topic, in what way? genuinly i dont know what was wonrg just wanna know

[stuck phoenix]

I already told you

We have the launch date confirmed

[cobalt blade]

theres a clear source launch date and even what the endgame changes will be

[stuck phoenix]

And by extension, we have the date of the reveal stream confirmed

[cobalt blade]

(or well most likely be)

[tranquil umbra]

people trying to use genAI for gaming are internet incompetent people that cannot use google search if their life depended on it

[cobalt blade]

i dont understand people using it at all much less as a google substitute

It makes 0 fucking sense

[limber lance]

i really just wanted to save some time XD

[heady cliff]

and now you lost a lot of time

[stuck phoenix]

You're doing the opposite

[ornate patrol]

WHY

[stuck phoenix]

You wasted your own time and my time

[limber lance]

probably

[elfin shale]

Its like top 3 catalysts

[stuck phoenix]

Reading something that an AI made up is a waste of time

[elfin shale]

30 kinda high tho

[stuck phoenix]

And the next time you say that an AI is stating the truth...

[icy zinc]

hm i bought them for 6c earlier

strange

[cobalt blade]

phrecia

[pulsar dune]

I've found that perplexity sometimes manages to find useful results google didn't.

[elfin shale]

Thatd do it

[ornate patrol]

dedge league

[cobalt blade]

Thats just bad googling

[elfin shale]

Buy order time

[icy zinc]

o

[cobalt blade]

Alternatively use some other actual search engine

[heady cliff]

it is very useful when you want to get rough idea of what is happening

[icy zinc]

unfortunate

[tranquil umbra]

I will say, genAI is pretty damn great for finding scientific articles

[heady cliff]

in unfamiliar for you area

[cobalt blade]

i just dont understand when it takes a few minutes to research and understand better than a shitty ai summary

[limber lance]

but it apparently is unable to know anything about path of exile

[stuck phoenix]

Using AI to locate information is a reasonable use case. Just don't ask it for actual information

[stuck phoenix]

That is correct

[heady cliff]

not always, sadly

[onyx adder]

If u dont need to actually be right and u just need to be close enough then genAI is pretty good tool because its so much faster than manual searching

[stuck phoenix]

Just as it cannot know anything about science

[tranquil umbra]

yeah because PoE is surprisingly quite niche

as is most games

[pulsar dune]

POE also changes every 3 months

[tranquil umbra]

that also

[cobalt blade]

it would need to be trained on poe' data and not just reddit posts

that very quickly become outdated

[stuck phoenix]

And again, AI literally does not know anything

[onyx adder]

In this particular case if ur using it to summarize your core build interaction, for example, i dont recommend doing that

[elfin shale]

Anything the AI can tell you youre better off checking either the PoE site or the wiki, for information that isnt 2+ leagues out of date

[ornate patrol]

i asked it whats 2+2 and it said 4

[somber sundial]

Cleave of Onslaught
0.5m per Frenzy Charge
5% More AoE per frenzy

[cobalt blade]

"how does wardloop work"

[ornate patrol]

checkmate

[limber lance]

it doesnt actively know, it just helps collecting different infos from different sources. the database on each topic is ofc differently limited

[stuck phoenix]

genuinely? chances are it's hardcoded

[elfin shale]

Thatd be screen wide off the bat lol

[tranquil umbra]

eh, AI is pretty damn cracked for physics questions I figured out through experimentation

[icy zinc]

oh gewd, asking ai for inside poe stuff

[spice pecan]

someone a couple months ago asking it for a summary on RF and it said "chieftain is a totem based armor stacking build"

[stuck phoenix]

but otherwise, it's because most people saying 2+2 = will also say it's 4

[somber sundial]

Exactly

[icy zinc]

back then it would barely even know what country poe is from

[cobalt blade]

It would take minutes to get the ai to say 2+2=1

[ornate patrol]

ye

[elfin shale]

Wait. Let it cook i wanna see where this goes

[heady cliff]

that is not true for recent models

[stuck phoenix]

What you use it for is not relevant. It does not know anything. It just makes up probable chains of words

[ornate patrol]

not hardcoded lmao

[heady cliff]

code and math is trained by automatic RL verification

[somber sundial]

Idk maybe 0.2m per frenzy

[limber lance]

were quite a bit farther than that with ai i would say

[heady cliff]

which gives a lot better results compared to "most people"

[cobalt blade]

That's factually how LLM's work

[stuck phoenix]

Well, you have no idea how AI works

[heady cliff]

but if you stray into areas where automatic verification is not possible (eg: poe), quality drops a lot

[pulsar dune]

Modern LLMs can also just use a calculator

[elfin shale]

If they release under performing skills do they usually try to buff them the next league or is there a high probability theyre just ignored

[heady cliff]

you knowledge is outdated by 2-3 years

[pulsar dune]

Sometimes

[stuck phoenix]

eh

[heady cliff]

modern models are half RL models instead of your usual backprop models

[elfin shale]

Praying

[heady cliff]

you describe pre-GPT4 ones

[pulsar dune]

Yea, I hope patch notes are good

[elfin shale]

They gave us like 6 really cool skills this league and they all fucking sucked

[stuck phoenix]

Irregardless of how much I know, he knows less

[tranquil umbra]

AI pulls info from all over the internet
and because physics is a very set-in-stone due to being mostly solved (do not start arguing about this I know quantum physics exists but that's not the point), AI is quite successful at being a knowledge aggregator for subjects like this

[earnest raven]

Regardless*

[ornate patrol]

[spice pecan]

KF was supposedly really good, KR got pre-gutted, and the bow ones are poo2-coded

[limber lance]

a wound tthat will never heal

[stuck phoenix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irregardless

boo

[elfin shale]

KF and KRoI are the only good ones. I was so hyped for Somatic Shell, Conflagration, Wall of Force, and Windburst Support but none of them are good (and the ones i wasnt hyped for are even worse)

[spice pecan]

kr of impact doesn't really feel great tbh

like i'd rather use kbolt or kblast

but it does deal damage

[elfin shale]

I liked it

[tranquil umbra]

it's always the kinetic spells

[cobalt blade]

the bow one that isnt limited to bows i think has potential if they give it like 30% more damage

[elfin shale]

Its not goated but it actually functions unlike some of the stuff this patch (cough thunderstorm)

[cobalt blade]

on armour stackers

[tranquil umbra]

they should make kinetic a keyword

[spice pecan]

what in the hell is that thunderstorm spell lmao

[normal hedge]

tried kr and its just worse kb

[onyx adder]

Its generally only good for specialist knowledge questions that have a lot of public information, such as what's found in textbooks

[elfin shale]

Thats a bow attack

[cobalt blade]

this funny one

[heady cliff]

@stuck phoenix https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.12948 if you are interested in modern gen ai training tech

[tranquil umbra]

I can see that yeah

[elfin shale]

Itd be lowkey goated if it just exploded instantly once it hit max stages and you could fire arrows into it to add stages

[stuck phoenix]

[heady cliff]

it developed quite far from "give model the internet and pray"

[stuck phoenix]

reinforcement learning

mmm

[modern zinc]

@cobalt blade i'm doing it

[stuck phoenix]

I did know that reinforcement learning is used

[limber lance]

guys Chat gpt just told me as a FACT that poe1 development happens in a wet basement in romania and that theyre using child labour

[elfin shale]

If you support cyclone with this its like Cyclone Shockwave but worse in every way

[elfin shale]

Thats true actually

[cobalt blade]

pooog

[tranquil umbra]

this is old news

[cobalt blade]

for sure but its funky with arm stacker scaling

[elfin shale]

I guess but wouldnt you rather just go all-in on Smite

Smite clear doesnt exactly suck

[cobalt blade]

well yeah its worse than the current skills lol

by quite a bit actually but 30% more dam would make it playable

[elfin shale]

If it was just cooldown based instead of the fucking evil movement thing id try some shenanigans with it

[spice pecan]

i dont understand how ppl play cyclone builds

it's so slow

[stuck phoenix]

spin

[shrewd fiber]

spin

[stuck phoenix]

to

win

[spice pecan]

i unironically preferred d3 barb spin2win over poe

[limber lance]

yeah diablo cycloning feels quite smooth early

[elfin shale]

I miss old Cyclone quality

[modern zinc]

next league I have to remember
1st atlas tree = maps and scarabs
2nd atlas tree = boxes and map mods for juice
3rd atlas tree = endgame bosses

[tranquil umbra]

becoming a human blender is an experience that cannot be easily replicated

[heady cliff]

imagine if no more boxes in next league

[elfin shale]

My first playthrough i did Frost Blades til act 4 then i tried cyclone and my entire world got consumed

[spice pecan]

im okay with this 100% if they replace boxes with something less boring and at least just as juicy

[shrewd fiber]

move box loot to ground loot

[tranquil umbra]

in the pohx league I swapped to Cyclone before Lab
then after Lab I realized why this skill was straight bussin

[fickle glen]

Does minion damage become global damage when using spiritual aid node?

[lean urchin]

it becomes increased damage.

[fickle glen]

What’s the difference other than wording?

[lean urchin]

well. minion damage is for minions, normally

[stuck phoenix]

it is already a global mod

you can call it global if you want

but then how do you distinguish between local and global phys?

[fickle glen]

Then why is he saying that

[modern zinc]

memes

[stuck phoenix]

what

[modern zinc]

that's why

[stuck phoenix]

he's literally saying the same thing as me

wdym why

[fickle glen]

Cogbliz

[elfin shale]

Minion damage is already global

[stuck phoenix]

I know

[lean urchin]

present 👍

[elfin shale]

Spiritual Aid makes it generic damage instead of minion damage

[fickle glen]

Kind of annoying don’t you think?

[lucid gale]

It's the same kind of effect it has on what minions do, except on you.

[stuck phoenix]

then don't use the wrong words smh

global has a specific defined meaning in this game

if you want a word for what you meant, cogbliz already told you

[lucid gale]

Increased Minion Damage is generic Damage for your minions.
The node makes it also increase generic Damage for you.

[stuck phoenix]

but if you must, you can use one that doesn't carry a meaning here like "generic"

for the record though, all stats on the tree are global

[spice pecan]

maybe we should consult the 8-ball krangled dyadic resonator for the answer

[lucid gale]

Does the game itself use the term local/global or is it just the trade site?

[stuck phoenix]

global critical strike multiplier

local is only trade website though

[gritty garnet]

you also can't get banned from local chat unless you report your own message

[stuck phoenix]

but trade website is plenty for me to consider it canon

[spice pecan]

holy shit we should test this

[stuck phoenix]

and when trade website conflicts with game I get

[cobalt blade]

what if you type in local in a town

[native abyss]

i dont understand the local thing when it comes to attack speed/evasion

[cobalt blade]

local attack speed on your weapon multiplies its base attack speed

1.6 aps +7% > 1.71 aps

[stuck phoenix]

local applies to the item's stats

[spice pecan]

i think it's harder to explain than it is to understand, idk

[stuck phoenix]

before it is modified by global mods

[cobalt blade]

vs global being additive wi th all your other global attack speed

basically it makes that local attack speed a more mult for lack of a better way to describe it

[stuck phoenix]

so for attack speed, when you only have one inc attack speed on your weapon, it basically acts as "More attack speed"

even if you have global inc attack speed

[native abyss]

[lucid gale]

Local mods change the numbers at the top of the item from stock white to changed blue.

[stuck phoenix]

for evasion, you first take the base, then add on any local +evasion, then you multiply on the local increased

and also qual is local more, so multiply that on afterwards

[lucid gale]

For anything outside of the item, it's as if it has that blue eva/AS/etc. to begin with.

[stuck phoenix]

as a side note, there's some local modifiers that don't interact with the item's base stats

[native abyss]

i see

[stuck phoenix]

but most of them do

[tight plinth]

We got a new class

[stuck phoenix]

but an example of a different local mod is increased effect of explicit modifiers

[cobalt blade]

flat accuracy rating^

[stuck phoenix]

which is still visible

and +acc is a good example of something that doesn't show up at all on the item

but is easy to see if you check the char menu ingame

the distinction only matters if you're attacking with your other hand though

[ornate patrol]

how is spark so bad

[tight plinth]

Its not?

[spice pecan]

it needs a lot of money

before it becomes good

[native abyss]

this makes sense thank you

[ornate patrol]

therefore bad

[cobalt blade]

aristocrat dual wield claw/sword setup being a good example and the whole reason accuracy came to mind lmao

[cobalt blade]

D:

spark godly once you get it setup

miss my tota spark aura stacker lol

[ornate patrol]

yeah once u get a mageblood and a mirror

then its nice

[stuck phoenix]

also as a side note, if you hold alt on an item with modified base stats from local mods, it will show the base value

[cobalt blade]

yeah basic budget build things

(memeing)

[karmic gust]

just use fury valve

[ornate patrol]

30 div and i can barely do t16s

30d on pf and im doing ubers blindfolded

[lean urchin]

pathfinder?

[ornate patrol]

ye

[lean urchin]

what build

[karmic gust]

sounds like not playing pf is the real issue here smh

[ornate patrol]

pick a db build at random

[ornate patrol]

yeah actually

honestly my mistake for trying to play anything else

ill be waiting for pobs for league launch db

[karmic gust]

everyone has to learn from their own mistakes, understandable

[lean urchin]

i keep going in the rf trap every league

[spice pecan]

i should have played righteous cold architect

but it would probs be worse with no gear

[fickle glen]

Does damage reduction counts as preventing a portion of the damage for the divine shield keystone?

[pulsar dune]

There's no battlemage/spell flat 2h other than jiquanis, right?

[pulsar dune]

Yes

[karmic gust]

well you can play cold snap in league too its not exactly hard skill to sustain

[fickle glen]

Thx

[karmic gust]

disintegrator?

[ornate patrol]

isnt this really cheap?

[opaque sphinx]

low lvls

[pulsar dune]

Damn, skill use

But that could work IG

[ornate patrol]

yeah but this is the next cheapest option xdd

eh cant afford it either way

[gritty garnet]

well that one lets you crit cap more easily

if not just use thunderfists or stick with plain old chest 6l

[pulsar dune]

Wanted to do FR-less loop by cwdting level 1 spells that don't scale DE with levels like eow

[karmic gust]

well there is also the glove

but that will just kill you xd

[pulsar dune]

Hand of the fervent

[karmic gust]

yea

or just manastorm

unless you rly need to be 2h

abyss stacking is also an option

i think?

[pulsar dune]

2h is a fair bit more damage since I'd get a second pair of 5l spells

[karmic gust]

well you can always just use pseudo linked weapon right

or helmet or whatever

[cobalt blade]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Burden_of_Shadows

[pulsar dune]

True true

[pulsar dune]

Hmmm

I don't want to lifestack

[opaque sphinx]

burden of shadows sab sounds actually not bad

[gritty garnet]

there's a bunch of staves

[pulsar dune]

But that's definitely an item

[cobalt blade]

understandable

[pulsar dune]

If I get like 6k life, that's 1200 flat chaos

Wait huh

That's really good

[ornate patrol]

honestly if i had the temple trigger mod this would be pretty fun

now its just kinda sad

idk if i can even rly farm with this

[cobalt blade]

theres also sacrifice support

[pulsar dune]

That's like level 25 spell amounts of flat

With 4 5 linked spells at 5 APS, that's gotta be decent

[opaque sphinx]

jun time

[gritty epoch]

0.0% of players on Poe ninja

Highest guy has 9m dps

[opaque sphinx]

for burden?

[cobalt blade]

i think its just not ran because of how strong rathpith is in comparison lol

[gritty epoch]

Yes

[pulsar dune]

I mean it's a caster weapon with no crit

So realistically it's not actually that good

[karmic gust]

its also flat chaos the worst kind of flat

[ornate patrol]

legit cant

im complete paper

[pulsar dune]

I'd probably be going poison

[opaque sphinx]

even in unrolled maps?

u do jun with white map

[pulsar dune]

Oh, actually, no inc either

[opaque sphinx]

red map but unrol

i mean

[pulsar dune]

That's going to be rough lmao

[karmic gust]

light of meaning is good enough :d

and if you are pathing to scion area for life then you can do unnatural + light of meaning there

[ornate patrol]

well i was just doing simple 4-6 mod t16s with exarch altar farming

[karmic gust]

for a lot of inc

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, it's probably fixable

[ornate patrol]

ill try tmrw

[cobalt blade]

clusters as well for good inc

35 effect flat life etc

[karmic gust]

its no different than poison attacks as far as inc goes there you dont get any from weapons either

[pulsar dune]

Clusters will be needed for septic spells for sure

[opaque sphinx]

yeh this even easier

u just start map, do jun, kill boss, fk off

[pulsar dune]

Sabo for CDR and damage, or PF for defenses

[opaque sphinx]

safehouse every 2-3 map

medal every 4 safehouse

[cobalt blade]

would lean PF if poison for prolif?

[ornate patrol]

just random safehouses?

[opaque sphinx]

yeah i literally dont care who is where as long as rank 3 leader

[cobalt blade]

and wither effect good damage anyway

[pulsar dune]

Prolif probably won't do much, but it's wither

[karmic gust]

prolif isnt gonna do much on build that spams hits

[pulsar dune]

And flasks and such

[karmic gust]

if you would go PF you could just do normal cwdt tho

[cobalt blade]

i dunno the skill their going for but its still nice for clearing trash around breaches or legions

[opaque sphinx]

since hillock got safehouse at 1 star i just leave him till goes bac to 90%

[karmic gust]

and save yourself the hassle i think

[opaque sphinx]

idolt setup was like 300c

[pulsar dune]

It's going to be 4 damage spells pretty much.

[cobalt blade]

ahh

i see

[pulsar dune]

You think PF can tank looped FR?

[opaque sphinx]

easily

?

[cobalt blade]

for sure with progen and probably still fine without

most of that boils down to recoup anyway

[karmic gust]

yea with surgeon and recoup its not bad

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, the challenge is just living long enough to get recoups overlapped

[cobalt blade]

fuck surgeon

[opaque sphinx]

surgeon is bis

[cobalt blade]

oh the solution thereis to have a manual one on your weapon swap

[karmic gust]

you have to do surgeon otherwise you just die at start of maps

[cobalt blade]

cast a few times wait for recoup to kick in and start looping

[pulsar dune]

I'm definitely playing surgeon if I'm PF.

[cobalt blade]

naaah wardless loopers have gone without surgeon

[pulsar dune]

Tho admittedly it's probably kinda superfluous on proper a loop

[cobalt blade]

jus abit of tedious to start your initial loop with self cast FR's

[pulsar dune]

The one I saw was a 10k life inquis and the guy almost died

[karmic gust]

well you dont get anything by not taking surgeon

[cobalt blade]

bloodlines

[opaque sphinx]

idk ive seen lifeloop sab pretty well

[pulsar dune]

But slowly ramping is probably fine

[cobalt blade]

pre bloodlines id agree

[pulsar dune]

Sabo is a natural fit for sure

[cobalt blade]

but im sure theres smth good you can get on a bloodline

[karmic gust]

there arent good enough bloodlines for pf

outside of the deli one

[cobalt blade]

like this

[karmic gust]

and you cant play deli one if you need light of meaning

[cobalt blade]

even more flat!

[karmic gust]

pretty sure unlight silhoutte is just completely useless node :d

on every build even the one that could use it would rather do something else

[pulsar dune]

40% more damage, like 20% more from CDR breakpoint, and blind

[cobalt blade]

probably id personally go aul since i despise action speed slows though

[pulsar dune]

Can't have open sockets on a looper

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/QYaj-onlKvoH

[pulsar dune]

That's just throwing

[cobalt blade]

but theres like a 15% cdr node on deli ascend just take the 1 small

[opaque sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zC-Q6a_MwY

[karmic gust]

i think auls is just bad in general and on looper ryou dont even care about action speed slow anyway

[cobalt blade]

eeeeh if the links your removing are sub 10% dps id do it personally

but i like jus trunning every map mod and if you dont want to do it that then yeah its meaningless

[cobalt blade]

petrify statues

[karmic gust]

does that actually allow you to hit next breakpoint? because you have both belt and boot slot open basically

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/vY0mU09a3c_l

[cobalt blade]

theres 9% 27% and 52%

[opaque sphinx]

updated 3.27 vers

[cobalt blade]

for cwdt breakpoints

i think you can reach 52%

shaper bound+belt+boots

and then that 15%

[pulsar dune]

Don't petrify statues just die?

[cobalt blade]

they arent hittable

they are static statues

the t17 mod ones atleast

[karmic gust]

petrify statues only suck on stationary builds

[pulsar dune]

Ah my bad

[cobalt blade]

they scale with hasted

ive personally gotten annoyed by them too much to not go action speed immune

[opaque sphinx]

hater

[karmic gust]

if you rly need that then there is balance of terror

[opaque sphinx]

aul is pog

[cobalt blade]

fuck casting temp chains constantly

tried it instantly got annoyed

[karmic gust]

but i only ever had issues with the statues on mamba and basically nothing else

[cobalt blade]

and you cant trigger the curse doesnt work for balance

[opaque sphinx]

why would mamba be stationary

[cobalt blade]

yeah it does kinda boildown to how it feels for you

[spice pecan]

i noticed it on mamba too, because pretty low attack speed

[opaque sphinx]

dont u just smack once and run away

[cobalt blade]

ive noticed it on LS MS mamba and various eblade spells

[spice pecan]

kinda depends on the layout tbh

[cobalt blade]

but on ignite builds its less noticeable

[karmic gust]

you are pretty close range on mamba usually and have low attack speed

so yea pretty easy to get caught

[opaque sphinx]

i see

[cobalt blade]

atk speed my beloved

[pulsar dune]

Two rare shaper rings and no life gain on hit shaper smh

[cobalt blade]

oh also its annoying for self cast when you get stuck in a spell echo cast

not an issue on looping ofc though

[pulsar dune]

IG it's just 15

Tho that's probably still a ton of recovery on the account of cwdt being like that

[karmic gust]

probs better to just grab it from watchers at that point

[cobalt blade]

idt theres any reason to get life on hit on a looper?

you already get so much recovery fromm recoup

[pulsar dune]

IG that's fair, just recoup

[karmic gust]

you die in less recovery maps anyway so yea probs no point

[cobalt blade]

yea

though you can actually run those if you make recoup rings and get a bit over 100% recoup

and its non mod effect less recovery from a risk scarb

[pulsar dune]

Oh this isn't a looper, this is a cast on ignite

[cobalt blade]

that is a looper

you ignite your ignites loop ignites

[pulsar dune]

Until you run out of enemies, no?

(and you can't kill your enemies faster than cwdt cool down, tho that should be fine)

[karmic gust]

why isnt that pob using 3rd ring if its doing that disgusting thin with doedres elixir :d

[cobalt blade]

ay but you just do something to restart it and try run thru the map as much as possible

it is 3rd ring

3rd ring shows as a jewel

[karmic gust]

oh lol

[opaque sphinx]

it loop

u can watch vid for better idea

he has a few on the build'

[steel light]

if u drop the ignite, u lose all the built up dps which is bad

[modern zinc]

this is so strange

tornado has AoE tag but it's radius does not seem to increase with aoe gem

[stuck phoenix]

that is not what aoe tag means

[worthy cave]

O_O?

[stuck phoenix]

aoe tag means that this gem is related to aoe somehow

[worthy cave]

Wut?

[stuck phoenix]

which for skill gems usually means it has some aoe

it has nothing to do with what support gems can apply to it

no support gem looks at any tags

[worthy cave]

O_o

so then...what do they key off of?

I thought the tags were specifically to match with support gems

[stuck phoenix]

I'm pretty sure modifiers to AoE will work just fine for Tornado though

[stuck phoenix]

lol no

[modern zinc]

pob doesn't give any radius to it

[stuck phoenix]

key what of

[modern zinc]

and ingame it doesn't seem to matter either? it's kinda hard to tell

[worthy cave]

Then how are you supposed to know if a support gem works?

I thought if a skill had <<TAG>>

[modern zinc]

pob

[worthy cave]

and the support gem also had <<TAG>>

[stuck phoenix]

either read it

it tells you

or use the in-game hover

either in gem shop

or after socketing

[stuck phoenix]

pob isn't magic

[modern zinc]

it kinda is tbh

[stuck phoenix]

with how much inc?

[modern zinc]

49% from inc. aoe and -30% from conc effect

[stuck phoenix]

._.

you do realise

[modern zinc]

yeah I don't think it changes the aoe

[stuck phoenix]

that that's four fucking percent

[modern zinc]

so I guess it's free damage from conc effect

[stuck phoenix]

how are you gonna notice a difference of 4% aoe

[modern zinc]

no I mean

if I slot inc. aoe, then swap it out for conc effect

the area seems to be the same

[stuck phoenix]

oh you meant like that

that's more reasonable

you go from uh

[modern zinc]

-30% less to 49% increased

so it should be at least like 1.5m radius

[stuck phoenix]

22% more radius to 16% less radius

which isn't a ton though ngl

dunno how big it is normally

[modern zinc]

well whatever

I didn't like tornado very much

gonna try out rage vortex of berserking jugg acc stacker now

[cobalt blade]

cant use it with a claw

[modern zinc]

axes are fine

[cobalt blade]

but like you lose the best source of accuracy scaling

from foulborn wep

[pseudo axle]

[modern zinc]

i'll just pretend i'm ssf

[modern zinc]

dude, nice

[pseudo axle]

that paid for the stack of like 50 invitations I bought

the rich keep getting richer

only 3 div surprisingly

I figured that this would be more

also can I say, I fucking LOVE faustus, both as a character and as a trade UI system

[modern zinc]

same

assyncronous trading was the best thing they did for league longevity

[pseudo axle]

WOW HOLY CRAP WTF

this thing is worth 60 DIV??

listed for 55 for a hopefully quick turnaround

papa needs his simplex amulet still

[cobalt blade]

theres just better things to steal than cull lmao

[pseudo axle]

why is liege worth something

are golems just good right now?

[onyx adder]

Its not worth two jewel sockets

[cobalt blade]

primordial bond golem stacking for stupid inc damage

and golems are really fucking good stat wise

[pseudo axle]

ah

neato

[onyx adder]

Probably the single best thing u can do with two ascendancy points in current poe

[pseudo axle]

isn't that valako?

[cobalt blade]

undeniable is still better in terms of raw power

[sage falcon]

i would put lucky block into contention as well

[cobalt blade]

lucky is 4 points but yea

[onyx adder]

For the narrow builds that can use it

[pseudo axle]

Where is the respect for profane bloom

[onyx adder]

Golems just go with everything

[cobalt blade]

explode is fun but not mandatory

[onyx adder]

Profane bloom giga overrated

[pseudo axle]

to say nothing of the phrecia ascendencies

[cobalt blade]

ay golems more generically good

[sage falcon]

genuinely been so long since ive seen profane bloom seriously used

[pseudo axle]

but fun is mandatory, comrade

[onyx adder]

Profane bloom doesnt scale with anything that witch typically does

[cobalt blade]

but dealing 10x damage is more fun

[pseudo axle]

I know but explode is fun

[cobalt blade]

or 100x

[onyx adder]

Get it on gear and do something better with ur ascendancy points

[pseudo axle]

anyways, back to farming. I can chew through base exarch in about 20~ seconds

[onyx adder]

Like click golems and get 1 billion damage and pile of other stats

[pseudo axle]

no phase

[cobalt blade]

a singular flask slot

compared to 2 ascend points

[pseudo axle]

oh I know, my first ever build was golemancer in OG Legacy league

back when IIQ support was still around and I was a complete noob farming tier 12 vaults for ex cards

[onyx adder]

I mean its been shit for like 60% of the time since then

It just got a big buff and two extra ascendancy points a couple leagues ago

[pseudo axle]

ah

[onyx adder]

So its currently S tier

[bold scarab]

except for ruthless that made it get nerfed even harder .. lost the +1 golem

they never had the 100% buff effect but the +1 golem hurt

or was it 25% per golem i forget

same point tho

[pseudo axle]

ruthless isnt real

[bold scarab]

boat league isnt real

[opaque sphinx]

is it just random the number of syndicate encounter on ur map?

why sometimes is 3 and sometime 2

[pseudo axle]

we literally have boats

[lean urchin]

your safehouses filled because of interogations or atlas passive

[bold scarab]

sometimes the spawn condition gets blocked by other mechanics ... but its supposed to be 3

[onyx adder]

Its always 3 unless one is full

[opaque sphinx]

oh

damn

[modern zinc]

you don't have to go crit if you go impale, do?

[opaque sphinx]

getting unlucky and a house filling at 1 star is making me sad

[onyx adder]

U do not

[kindred silo]

those r independent things

[modern zinc]

tank u

[opaque sphinx]

should i just run it at 1 star to kick em out?

[onyx adder]

Theyre separate scaling sources and dont have any particular synergy or antisynergy with each other

[modern zinc]

tf

you can critically impale too?

[lean urchin]

yes.

[onyx adder]

Impale just uses the damage of the hit

It doesnt itself crit

[kindred silo]

although they both do prefer to be fast hitting

[lean urchin]

i know noob speak, the answer is yes

[kindred silo]

for consistency reasons

[modern zinc]

that is crazy

[onyx adder]

So if u crit for big damage

The impale will be correspondingly big

[cobalt blade]

also shows 2 if 1 encounter would fill the next safehouse from someone currently being interrogated

on the very next "move" of the safehouse

[modern zinc]

thank you guys

[opaque sphinx]

i dont interrogate ppl

but thats good to know ty

[onyx adder]

*full or about to be full

[cobalt blade]

ya

[opaque sphinx]

so is it more efficient to just run the 1 star dude to kick him out and get my 3rd thingy back?

[pseudo axle]

man fuck checking all these shields

[cobalt blade]

If your goal is just catas yes

But if your farming like specifically grav in transport you might fuck up board or w/e

[opaque sphinx]

yeh just catas

[cobalt blade]

Also some other small things with betrayal research and intervention are the 2 guaranteed mechanics and if your fort is full youll still get 3 and itll be forced transport

But you can never get transport+fort

[pseudo axle]

8 div, not bad, not bad

[cobalt blade]

Ye then you just run when full

[opaque sphinx]

ty

[pseudo axle]

4 invites left out of this row

damn rip, hit a juggernaught jewel lol

only 13 c

[cobalt blade]

build a collection of bad forbidden jewels

That 4 in a row is 4 master alchemists

[stray sedge]

wow that's a lot

[pseudo axle]

lol

[stray sedge]

you find them that often?

[cobalt blade]

Valdos

[stray sedge]

oohhhhh

[cobalt blade]

i just enjoy running endless forbidden jewel maps lmfao

[pseudo axle]

they're not that uncommon even running invites

[stray sedge]

ah yeah they're very clearly darker and glowing diff colours 🙂

[pseudo axle]

I just cranked out 50~ invites in like, 40 minutes without trying too hard

oh valdos forbidden jewels

are you running void maps or something

[cobalt blade]

Non voided

[pseudo axle]

makes sense

void is way too spooky for me

[cobalt blade]

i made a few mirrors running em dunno if their still good profit margins though

[pseudo axle]

whats the syntax to search those maps?

[cobalt blade]

slowed down heavily for how fast they sell 2~ days ago and onemanalefts started running them

[warm musk]

Do people go CI in Armour Mana stacker with choir or they're just going low life?

[cobalt blade]

map completion reward >forbidden flesh/flame under map filters

And then use a not search to filter what you don't wanna run ex void

[tranquil umbra]

you look for the void mod

[pseudo axle]

merci

[cobalt blade]

~sent void

[tranquil umbra]

I could never run a void map

[pseudo axle]

yeah I know how to do that

[pseudo axle]

yeah, no fucking-thank-you, not in a million years

I delete all void maps I open out of sheer fear

[cobalt blade]

ive done a couple of trivial voids but yeah never touching the feared ones

Or possessed feared voids

Jus doing regular possessed feared tyvm

[pseudo axle]

chris wilson wants only one thing, and it is disgusting

[hallow saffron]

def worth the 600 tribute right? lmao bc of the fracture?

[lean urchin]

nah

[pseudo axle]

"unstable players eventually detonate"

[lean urchin]

reroll

[opaque sphinx]

is there a reason to run/not run safehouse in map ?

[cobalt blade]

500 phys damage per stack of instability

[pseudo axle]

ah okay

[lean urchin]

it can fuck it up @opaque sphinx

[pseudo axle]

trivial

[cobalt blade]

if you start an encounter after opening it it breaks

[opaque sphinx]

wym

oh

[cobalt blade]

ex intervention shows up right after you open an encounter

You lose all the intel

[opaque sphinx]

i see

[warm musk]

How would people run armour manastacker if ever tasalio doesnt get nerfed? https://pobb.in/1Ti4zDzRZdSG

[cobalt blade]

Ye its pretty trivial

[warm musk]

do they go CI or low life?

[opaque sphinx]

but if ive done 2/3 and last is a fort

no issue?

[cobalt blade]

this is a standard build and they just wouldnt run choir anymore

And still have a few tens of millions of armour

[warm musk]

With choir it's "cheaper"

[opaque sphinx]

think its more likely they remove the fire res chest than nerf tasalio

[cobalt blade]

i mean its a standard mirror chest

That has a multi mirror fee iirc

so like cheap goes out to windows to even try that setup

[pseudo axle]

wish me luck xd

[warm musk]

But if ever it migrates and we get it by march 3rd is it better to go CI instead of lowlife?

[cobalt blade]

That ones free as hell

[cobalt blade]

wdym by march 3rd

and for generic armour stack ci is better yes

[warm musk]

league ends

[cobalt blade]

Thats standard items

Not in league

[tight plinth]

that looks kinda free

[cobalt blade]

Like this chest is only in standard

[tranquil umbra]

anything that doesn't say void is a map I would run even if I ended up dying

[cobalt blade]

and its the whole thing that build is built around

[warm musk]

I mean choir will go to standard right?

[cobalt blade]

Yeh

[tranquil umbra]

this shit will never not be funny

[cobalt blade]

its so silly

casual 25k% increased armour 25k regen if you take a mastery

[tight plinth]

is that the good one or the tft one?

[cobalt blade]

idk what ones best compare multiple in a pob

theres i think 3 or 4 floating around one on a zodiac

Which seemed bis to me

[opaque sphinx]

most useful bench NA

[tranquil umbra]

oh wait killing Cat doesn't reset your syndicate anymore
dude.

[tight plinth]

damn, leave some rng for the rest of us

[tranquil umbra]

FUCK me I should learn how to do betrayal

[lean urchin]

"learn"

[tight plinth]

isnt catarina where all the money is anyway?

[lean urchin]

u just keep em friends, then enemy. then they say what their bench does

[cobalt blade]

jus get hom off grav

ez money

[lean urchin]

5x currency into 5 mirrors

[cobalt blade]

Also the safehouses are consistent from selling medallions over gambling

[tranquil umbra]

yeah well I need Kulemak Cane for my build anyway so might as well kill two birds with one stone

[opaque sphinx]

most of it

[cobalt blade]

good luck iding it well

[opaque sphinx]

this always make me laugh

[tranquil umbra]

we'll get there eventually but I don't need it like immediately at least

[cobalt blade]

need the strongbox dupe

Unmodifiable corrupted mirrored

[tranquil umbra]

and if I get the money to just buy the ideal Cane while farming I'll just move on

[opaque sphinx]

shit true

the ultimate meme item

https://clips.twitch.tv/MuddyCourteousInternBCouch-FFYYdUzHHck5ZoKZ

always reminds me of this

which is like my fave poe clip ever lmao

[tranquil umbra]

I am not smart enough to understand how to even do this

[opaque sphinx]

instructions unclear spiderweb go

[tranquil umbra]

what the fuck

[cobalt blade]

Deth

[tranquil umbra]

every time I want to try betrayal I see a board like this and get scared

[tight plinth]

man i wish they brought back sentinel a lot more than random chance in a map

[opaque sphinx]

if it makes u feel better i have no idea what any of it means

i just click button that makes more lines

[opaque sphinx]

fr that was fun af

[cobalt blade]

For just cata farming thats perfectly fine

[cobalt blade]

Its so sad how mid they are now

[tight plinth]

remove beyond from atlas, put sentinel in 😡

[cobalt blade]

you maybe get a div every 10 sentinels that show up

[opaque sphinx]

r00d

the fuck u mean walk somewhere open and try again, its not like jun follows me

[tight plinth]

wait does jun still open the portal around her? not map device like alva?

[cobalt blade]

if you do it in a map yes if you do it in hideout no

[tight plinth]

oh youre opening it in map

i forgot you could do that

are there benefits to doing it in map?

[cobalt blade]

you maybe get extra intel for that safehouse but realistically no

[opaque sphinx]

if i do it before boss, the +50 intell cant go to a full safehouse

and is not wasted

[cobalt blade]

You just run the risk of losing the whole safehouse if intervention hasnt procced yet

[opaque sphinx]

yeh im making sure to only open when there's 1 or 0 encounter left

and if 1, its a fort or train and ik where it is

see like here

boss not dead

but hillock is full

[cobalt blade]

Ay its fine there

[opaque sphinx]

well it would be if i had fuckin room to open the portals

last encounter was the damn hideout

[tight plinth]

isnt jun outside too?

[cobalt blade]

You can talk to any jun btw

Not just the most recent one

[opaque sphinx]

yeah but my first 2 are in bad spots with no room

[cobalt blade]

ah f

[opaque sphinx]

was hoping this was not

[opaque sphinx]

yeh but if u start the encounter she goes inside

[torpid stone]

Hi guys Im new here.
someone knows how the upload images on the foro?

[opaque sphinx]

in hindsight i shoulda tried before starting it

cuz now she not out here

minimap says she is

fkin hacker

[tight plinth]

right, shes not like alva

[opaque sphinx]

bruh

[tight plinth]

not enough room either lmao

you just wasted all this timee for a few intel

[opaque sphinx]

why we don't have a key to force tp her to us

yeah lmfao

[cobalt blade]

For a 1/4 chance at more intel

[opaque sphinx]

in my experience

[cobalt blade]

3/4 chance it was just wasted time

[opaque sphinx]

1/4 is 100% when its bad

[cobalt blade]

Ohsame but statistically it wont be

[pseudo axle]

well, doing 4 of those maps just net me a pretty tidy profit, so good advice

[opaque sphinx]

yeah it went to janus

but we're gonna pretend it didn't

[pseudo axle]

even if valdo maps are a pain in the ass lol

[cobalt blade]

one thing ill note your expected to run atleast 20-40 before making profit

With the chance just hitting big and making a mirror or 2

And alot of your EV in profit is in hitting those big jewels for forbidden maps

at one point maps were cheap enough it was like 8-10d EV per map though so it was kinda nuts doing 2 minute ones

[pseudo axle]

I sniped 4 really cheap ones

about 1~ div each

the jewels I got are worth about 20 div all told lol

[cobalt blade]

Ay nice

[pseudo axle]

just got another one for about 100c

idk why this person listed them this low

[bold scarab]

probably selling stuff to leave game

till next league\

[pseudo axle]

well they had forbidden flesh maps up for 650 c

lel

idk why their flame ones were 100

[bold scarab]

lol

[modern zinc]

I put a lot of stuff in trade for pretty damn cheap

I play ssf but in trade league so I can help others

[tight plinth]

how many merchant tabs do yall use?

[stuck phoenix]

1

[tight plinth]

i have 3 and i only use 1

[stuck phoenix]

Because I have 1

[tight plinth]

im thankful for the people who list random stuff on like 8 tabs though

[modern zinc]

damn, almost 8 tabs

[lucid gale]

Watch my PC immolate launching two PoE:s at once.

[modern zinc]

sounds about right

[lucid gale]

I'd probably buy more if I played either game more actively these days.

[bold scarab]

we need our channeling wheels back sadge

[cobalt blade]

flames are overall cheape

quick example

theres a larger difference for other jewels

[bold scarab]

all thats left sadge

[thick goblet]

bros helping the flipper bots

[bold scarab]

there are sooo many +1 zombies and skeles on the tree

owo

+6 zombies +9 skeles owo

[final owl]

125% increased pack size aw ye

[modern zinc]

niceee

[sleek barn]

mmm exped

if i could actually handle the archaelogy scarab itd be crazy

[keen veldt]

I switched my lightning cluster to have thunderstruck for guaranteed knockback on hit with fusillade instead of 5% and that shit is so funny

[opaque sphinx]

cant miss a 3/4 right

[bold scarab]

the old elementalist pendulum passive was kinda bad but every other passive is sooo much better than what we have today

[sleek barn]

that shield that dropped coulda been good

[opaque sphinx]

i might just keep it ngl

[unreal breach]

does anyone know if this gives me 8 shrines or a single one and a whole lot of wasted idols

[bold scarab]

OK i did not notice that

we didnt just have herald of agony support in pathfinder

[opaque sphinx]

wasted

[bold scarab]

we also had herald of purity support

in guardian

[unreal breach]

the other shrine mod it is then, thanks

[bold scarab]

its just 8x chance ... the default chance is like 10%

[cobalt blade]

no its flat chance it just caps at 100%

[bold scarab]

oh

well nvm

[opaque sphinx]

yeh, get 100% chance, then stack +1 shrine 1x3 idol or 2 shrine 2x2s

[bold scarab]

lol

just play oshabi then you can have infinity shrines

or the gull build ofc

[opaque sphinx]

assuming he is oshabi

u still need extra shrines

and +1 shrine effect

[unreal breach]

nah just wanted a few extra magics since the funny scarab costs half a div

[bold scarab]

fair

[unreal breach]

i am in constant need of gold 😂

[pseudo axle]

@cobalt blade what would you say is the max price I should pay for a flesh/flame map

[cobalt blade]

id have to recalculate the average price but i was doing 6 for fleshes and 4 for flames maybe 5 if there was no supply

very much depends on jewel price though

[stray sedge]

Huh TIL that reservation mod isn't shaper only

[cobalt blade]

you want to have atleast a 3-4 div EV running them basically so your chasing the big hits a bit less

and never buy maps more than the price of buying unid

[cobalt blade]

(2~ days ago)

[pseudo axle]

ah, so go off average unid price, got it

tracks

[cobalt blade]

average jewel id price

[livid quarry]

when is phrecia ending

[final owl]

thursday next week

[cobalt blade]

you look at every jewel cut the ones below 1d they dont sell and make sure the average jewel you get is good expected value

[opaque sphinx]

yeh imma just settle and keep the ev cluster

i cba

[pseudo axle]

seems like the price for unid'd jewels and maps is equalized

[cobalt blade]

yeah then its just not worth running

beyond for fun

[pseudo axle]

rip

[final owl]

does increasd numbed of spawns at once mod for ritual actually do anything / are there better mods for beefing up ritual

I don't care about tribute just enemy numbers

[opaque sphinx]

[final owl]

that sure is a bit of evasion you have there

[opaque sphinx]

no just make it faster

[modern zinc]

wow

[cobalt blade]

explicit mod effect/pack size the spawns at once is just speed yeah

[final owl]

yeah i figured. explicit mod effect means i have to roll my own maps :/

continuing to be lazy it is! woo

[tranquil umbra]

average ghost dance build

[opaque sphinx]

idk what else to do with my passives

i guess i make 2 decent small clusters

[final owl]

where is all that ev coming from anyway. are you doing the overcapped cold chest thing or something

[opaque sphinx]

int stack

[final owl]

oic

[opaque sphinx]

idk why ggg added this mastery but they killed dex stack with it

[final owl]

ah 3% per 5 int isn't bad

[opaque sphinx]

made int stack just scale everything dex does but twice as good

[tranquil umbra]

yeah str/int stacking is too crazy

[honest panther]

On Poe ninja how do I see what a streamers loadout looked like on like day 4? This is him now, but I wanted to see what he looked like on day 4 https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/streamers/character/1_mana_left-5237/UrbanChoirs?type=streamers&i=0&search=name%3Dur

[sand glen]

can only see if they uploaded to poe ninja

[opaque sphinx]

u open youtube and watch the one of the 5 videos he's posted about the build

[final owl]

but which one 😮

[honest panther]

Uhh, yeah I dont think thats quite true of connor

He has his KBOC to MFA

[opaque sphinx]

brother im telling it as fact not a guess

he has 5 vids on his channel

about this league and his transitions

[honest panther]

https://www.youtube.com/@ConnerConverse/videos does he have a 2nd channel?

Or is YT hiding it?

Anyways

Im not asking about connor guides

Im asking about how to use poe ninja

[final owl]

i'm no poe ninja expert but i thought there was a thing somewhere that let you see previously scraped versions of the build

[hard cliff]

you're right

[sage falcon]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/phrecia2.0?timemachine=day-4&name=urbanc

[honest panther]

ty

[sage falcon]

i dunno why the changing snapshot function doesnt show in in streamers section but you cna just grab the character name and check from the normal page

[sleek barn]

my cheetos

[final owl]

ah dang it. it's weirdly hard to stay alive when you're mapping at close to 0 fps

[hard cliff]

wth is that

[sleek barn]

raise zombie

at the verge of being exploded by an enemy

[cobalt blade]

streamer section is scraped separately so they can show the chars sub lvl 90

eg dont always have snapshots on the main page

[hard cliff]

scary

is it good?

[cobalt blade]

i find it so funny that you straight up cant do boxes on that ascend if you wanna play zombies

[final owl]

woops. 4400 blue wisps and suddenly the map is destroying me :X

ok we're just gonna pass on that one. fiddle de dee

[modern zinc]

how am I supposed to type 15680 here

it literally doesn't scroll to this number

[bold scarab]

you dont

[modern zinc]

🙁

how do I know what the jewel will do

[split maple]

Slightly higher than your crop

Is Edit button

[final owl]

can't you just manually edit the item and change the number to whatever you like

[modern zinc]

not really?

I don't really see the 15648 to edit

[split maple]

Replace the (10000-18000) with 15648

In line with your conqueror

[opaque sphinx]

bruh wtf is with these bait mfkers

idk why that replied to you

i think i was saying something and forgot sorry

[modern zinc]

ohhh, thank you

[split maple]

You can also copy item from trade site

Handy for these

[final owl]

i tend to just copy from trade because then at least i know that number is up for sale..

[modern zinc]

can you copy ingame tho

[split maple]

Yeah

Ctrl-c

[modern zinc]

dude, nice

thank you

[opaque sphinx]

dense fossil 5c:1 kekw

[worldly bridge]

do i sell it for 200+ chaos or attempt recomb

[opaque sphinx]

my rule is if u gotta ask then u dont have enough money to gamba

[worldly bridge]

i got 2.4k c and 30div

idk if thats "enough"

[opaque sphinx]

im not callin u poor im just sayin thats my thought process

if its not an immediate "yeah i dont care if i lose it" then itsa no

[worldly bridge]

ok so if i were to gamba

how do you recomb idols effectively

would i just use poe2 recomb and click both mods then pray

[bold scarab]

throw it at a wall and pray

[fossil mural]

Huilo

[opaque sphinx]

pretty sure thats best way unless magic

or multiple good mod

[split maple]

It's like 15% with unpredictable or so if both mods are at same sjde and you have trash mods in pool

Predictable has benefit of cleaning your trash away

[worldly bridge]

monka

[worldly bridge]

i dont think prefixes matter

i could try for map effect

ig

[split maple]

Here you anyways have better odds with predictable

So use it

[worldly bridge]

but hitting two recombs in a row is oof

predictable means the one i SS'ed right?

[split maple]

Yea

[worldly bridge]

poof

[opaque sphinx]

bro can i pls stop hitting dex

[grand flint]

help me fix m flicker strike

[opaque sphinx]

is that a keep on double t3 or nah

[final owl]

idk. you're int stacking right. if it was me, the answer is keep

but if you're really stacking them ints don't you want at least T2

[opaque sphinx]

yeah more for selling

[opaque sphinx]

idc about the dex really

[final owl]

be an upgrade for me, have no stats on chest. the dex is whatever but i'd appreciate the int

[opaque sphinx]

my regular is that

[tranquil sedge]

why torturer garb
was it just a cheap base when you bought it

[opaque sphinx]

yeah some knob thru it up for 50c on leaguestart and i yoinked it asap

[tranquil sedge]

i c

[opaque sphinx]

idc about socket links so it was a steal

[tranquil sedge]

i assume ur doing dense fossil prefix and eldritch suffix

[opaque sphinx]

nah honestly i just keep buying bases cuz ppl dont know eldritch currency exists i guess

bought the last 2 bases with the prefixes done for 4d and 5d

so now i have that dbl attri one and this one

cost 15d to make both lul

[tranquil sedge]

i c

[opaque sphinx]

and both should be 20+

its free real estate dude

[final owl]

mine has supress but no stats and it was about 10d. open suffix

[opaque sphinx]

thats not bad

lmfao

one eldritch chaos

slammed t5 cold res sad

[final owl]

I've had the tree poop out chests that weren't far from the one i'm wearing to be fair

[opaque sphinx]

annuled the press f