1┃general

[worldly bridge]

everything else has been the same

[finite quail]

Because its like, 15-24 extra quant and a lil more packsize

[cobalt blade]

If your bored do like 20-40 maps of each and keep track of each for cost>juice made and track it

[low lava]

Maybe the strat, just isnt working for you ?

Tho i have only done what pohx or empy does.

[cobalt blade]

(spreadsheets fun)

[finite quail]

If you want, you can speedrun scoured t16s for lost shipments

takes like 30 seconds per map

[cobalt blade]

That strat seems fun if your wintry blast high cast speed char

awful if your anything else

[split maple]

When loading screens have real impact on div/h

[finite quail]

Dirt cheap, map is 2-3c, scarabs are in total 6c, map craft is 5c for a total of 13-15c on average

[cobalt blade]

eu banned from running it

[worldly bridge]

im runnign harvest idk

[finite quail]

Also works with lightning warp

[worldly bridge]

it should be carrying itself even with bad idols

[finite quail]

Also works with shield charge

[cobalt blade]

shield charge not so much

[finite quail]

It do

[cobalt blade]

wintry blast/warp get caster mastery

[finite quail]

If you have a lot of movement speed

[cobalt blade]

so your just opening all the shipments as you teleport around

[split maple]

Caster mastery is a Nice shout

[finite quail]

You dont do it without the caster mastery

[split maple]

Coz yea shield charge is fast enough

[cobalt blade]

yeah but inherently shield charging your losing a few seconds pressing unearth or something

[split maple]

But I can believe spaming unearth is unnecesary jank

[finite quail]

wrong way to use the mastery

[native token]

@split maple are you going chadssf or "trade"

[finite quail]

You spam a channeling skill like the yellow lightning orb one

[split maple]

Idk rly casie

[finite quail]

and it pops the chests really fast

[split maple]

Prolly ssf Just due to inertia

[finite quail]

storm surge I think it is

[cobalt blade]

i did say or something and afaik with no cast speed investment unearth is the best spam lol

[finite quail]

No

You don't need cast speed for the mastery

[cobalt blade]

either way though it is worse than doing wintry blast

[finite quail]

Not with storm surge

[brazen vector]

just use flame dash for caster mastery

[cobalt blade]

you do for it not to feel shit?

[finite quail]

Since there's no delay when you spam the skill

for the mastery effect to proc

atleast no delay with storm surge

you press the storm surge key like 10 times a sec

and you insta pop all chests

even easier to do if you have two keybinds for storm surge since you spam both even faster

no cast speed required

[worldly bridge]

ok well let me ask for advice on crop rotation then

[finite quail]

no delay between when the effect procs and when you press the key to channel again

[native abyss]

pork blast

[raven anchor]

What is the command to get the bot to explain how to link a profile?

[finite quail]

purple, then blue, then yellow

[worldly bridge]

i would want to target blue or yellow for the final plant correct

[worldly bridge]

ok so do i just click all purple then all blue

[finite quail]

id your plants dont wilt, you choose blue

[finite quail]

yeah p much

[cobalt blade]

start with the purple next to the blues to see if they wilt

[worldly bridge]

i have 98 not wilt

[finite quail]

you just try to maximize the value of the few good harvests there are

[worldly bridge]

so

woke bug

[finite quail]

actually might be better to get rid of blue first since there's so few

that way all the purples can only upgrade yellow

[cobalt blade]

Its nor

Not

[finite quail]

How so

[cobalt blade]

They can upgrade blue and yellow

[finite quail]

But the upgrades will be split between them

less bosses

[worldly bridge]

so i have 2 t4 yellow, one t4 blue, and the final blue plot has 14 t3

[cobalt blade]

That is not how it works

Its just flat% to upgrade on clicking it

[worldly bridge]

so i just click the lowest blue, then the t4 blue, then yellow

[cobalt blade]

yuh

[finite quail]

it upgrades all of them?

[rancid tendon]

i am making a pob for a coc character why is it that every time i change anything that increases attack speed i lose dps

[finite quail]

I misremembered then, my bad

[cobalt blade]

Yes

[finite quail]

because coc has breakpoints of attack speed for the best cast rate

[cobalt blade]

cos your missing ticks to trigger your skill

[finite quail]

increasing attack spedd over breakpoints means you're missing opportunities to be able to cast things if you attack too fast

you crit out of sync of coc

[elfin shale]

Guardian's Blessing doesnt make the aura originate from your minions, right?

[hard cliff]

right

[stark jay]

I am wanting to buy an exilecon ticket for my brother as a surprise, can he still get the mtx?

[rancid tendon]

ok i checked and im 2% inc attack speed from optimal so i hope when i make the build nothing will happen thatll change my attack speed

[crystal talon]

Yes

[cobalt blade]

frenzies/onslaught are the main 2

[finite quail]

you don't hope for it

you make sure it doesn't happen

[cobalt blade]

like randomly having onslaught unveil on boots

[finite quail]

otherwise why play a coc build

[crystal talon]

At least at previous exilecons the mtx was a code given out when you pick up your badge. You could even give them to people who aren't attending if you want

[rancid tendon]

well i dont know what would make it happen

[worldly bridge]

ahhh ok so its chance to upgrade ALL plots of a different color

makes sense

[cobalt blade]

Yuh

[finite quail]

any inconsistent attack speed increases

[cobalt blade]

you run purples blues/yellows get upgraded etc etc

[worldly bridge]

so ideally if you want mostly yellow, you want a single yellow plot then like 9 others

[finite quail]

charges, onslaught, attack speed when leeching, blood rage

[cobalt blade]

P much

[finite quail]

yep

it's like when grape vine growers cut off vines to make the nutrients go into the other grapes to fill em up more

[rancid tendon]

ok so nothing that i cant control easily

[finite quail]

exactly

[rancid tendon]

the only thing is id need to find rings without attack speed

[finite quail]

That's easy enough

the attack speed roll on rings is one tier

[elfin shale]

Ice Trap of Hollowness is the only trap with below average placement duration right?

[finite quail]

and it's shit

[rancid tendon]

well anything above 3% inc attack speed and i lose dps

[shrewd rock]

you should follow a new build

[cobalt blade]

isnt trap placement a consistent stat with all traps

[crystal talon]

Do you mean trap duration?

[shrewd rock]

if the pob you have right now

has AS rings

for CoC

LOL

[elfin shale]

Yeah like the duration they stay on the ground

[crystal talon]

Yeah, hollow only one

[shrewd rock]

like i'll tell you right now that the build is probably dogshit

[elfin shale]

Is there any source of reduced besides Sunblast

[crystal talon]

Sunblast is only source

[elfin shale]

sadge

how do i justify Saboteur for QoL

[finite quail]

Don't think so

[finite quail]

You don't

sabos nodes for traps are anti qol

[rancid tendon]

i made the pob myself and i made the rings in craft of exile and i did it when i was trying selfcast before i realised coc would be more effective so no they dont have as

[finite quail]

ur traps exploding when other traps explode near it is horrible

cause you dont get the benefit of monsters setting off traps

cause they're not setting them off, other traps are

[crystal talon]

Sabo explode node is super important for cluster trap clearing on some skills

[shrewd rock]

I'd recommend taking someone else's build and making your pob on top of it

especially if you're new to the game

[finite quail]

like recover es when a trap is set off by an enemy

[cobalt blade]

by playing trickster and stealing it

[finite quail]

that's dead with sabo

[rancid tendon]

im not new to the game

i mean depends on how you define new

[finite quail]

they didn't call you new

[hard cliff]

Ice Trap of Hollowness is goated

very good league starter

[finite quail]

that's just a good way to start a pob pretty much

[hard cliff]

Just fragile af but maybe someone smarter than me could fix it

[finite quail]

grabbing someone else's and modifying it to your needs

[rancid tendon]

i dont overlay my pob over others but i do steal ideas from others like the tree or the skill setup

or the uniques

[shrewd rock]

ye but that's like the part that doesn't matter lmao

the reason you overlay is for configs

[cobalt blade]

11/10 skill

[shrewd rock]

minor tree and skill tweaks are pretty irrelevant

it's very easy to fuck up configs

and you end up with a build that does 20 mil on paper, but can't do t16s in practice

[elfin shale]

So returning projectiles doesnt do anything for Spectral Throw right

[rancid tendon]

well i never fucked up my configs that much in that direction before

[finite quail]

no

It already returns

[shrewd rock]

bro, you're literally confused why attack speed is fucking up your CoC

that's why I'm suggesting this

you do you

[rancid tendon]

ive never used coc before

[shrewd rock]

lol

[cobalt blade]

Ye since they return inherently

[rancid tendon]

also my configs are very tame

20% shock and power charges

[shrewd rock]

then maybe if you haven't played it before, it may help to build off something that exists?

just a thought lol

[cobalt blade]

you do wanna toggle other stuff on coc if you have a source of it

like especially frenzies

12% as kinda build bricking

[foggy jasper]

Isn't this poe1 new season supposed to be the work of like a dedicated poe1 dev team now ? No more flip flopping

[rancid tendon]

i dont have a source of anything else

[elfin shale]

It also doesnt do anything for Spectral Helix? I thought it would

[cobalt blade]

they are still flip flopping

[shrewd rock]

dedicated poe1 team = 2 interns

good luck

kek

[elfin shale]

wait nvm it does they're just returning to the traps for me

[foggy jasper]

Maybe 3

[finite quail]

We don't know how the dev team operates

[elfin shale]

Yeah this seems fun

[foggy jasper]

I swear there was a post about it or something but I could be hallucinating it

[scarlet jacinth]

Lightsaber build

[finite quail]

But my best guess is most devs they work on a league on one game and keep a few devs on the other game for bug fixes/balancing

and then switch them around for the next league

[cobalt blade]

keep all devs on 2 past 1 week of a poe1 league

[brazen vector]

they dont like minotaur today

[stray sedge]

I've yet to actually play a build using sunblast, mainly because the calculations I did to see how long it would take to pop off once thrown seems disapointing, but you can't argue with +2 trap for free

Is it fine?

[cobalt blade]

also havent touched sunblast since i find trap builds boring

[stray sedge]

mostly agree but Ice Trap hits different

if that was a skill I could cast I would 100% lol

[elfin shale]

its annoying for most traps but barely an inconvenience on Ice Trap of Hollowness cuz it already has halved duration

[finite quail]

1 second to pop at 75% reduced trap duration

[stray sedge]

1 second sounds like nothing, but in the heat of combat, feels like an eternity

[stray sedge]

Never knew this even existed - it just doesn't do the big circle in the middle?

[elfin shale]

Fuck i just did a map with my Stormbind and had a good time im so fucked

[elfin shale]

Nope, its a ring

[finite quail]

it's unplayable against fast moving monsters unless you pull back every time to spam traps

[elfin shale]

Its absolutely absurd for damage but

[stray sedge]

does that mean you have to awkwardly place it in certain situations to hit your target lol

because regular has obscene aoe

[thick goblet]

yeah they mentioned starting 3.28 they have some dedicated poe1 team now, how many people and what roles, who knows
but i assume they'll still have some people flip flopping between

[shrewd rock]

I'll believe it when I see it lol

[foggy jasper]

Okay so I'm not tripping then

[shrewd rock]

If 3.28 is at the same scale as 3.27

I'm probably going to skip

[foggy jasper]

Remove breach and it's already 7/10 league baseline

[shrewd rock]

the problem is that poe1 is 9/10 baseline

so when you make it 7/10

[foggy jasper]

Yeah true

[shrewd rock]

it's actually worse

LOL

[foggy jasper]

Well they keep removing loot from base game

So that 9 slowly going down for no reason

[shrewd rock]

Yeah they keep making it less fun

i skipped 3.27

but i heard the new breach is not fun?

[finite quail]

Yeahhhh

[shrewd rock]

i thought breach 1.0 as a mechanic was fine lol

[crisp plinth]

its worse breach yeah

[finite quail]

It's not as good

[shrewd rock]

dunno why they fucked with that

[split maple]

idk if they give us 7 unstables per map and make rares drop rings

[shrewd rock]

instead of outdated shit

[split maple]

it will feel better

[shrewd rock]

like harb or delve

[crisp plinth]

its not even hard to fix breach

[split maple]

just remove 90% of new breach

[foggy jasper]

New breach was like a tumor on your map

[crisp plinth]

just make it scale harder and let us kill in a circle

[shrewd rock]

yeah tbh

[finite quail]

shrimply keep unstable breaches and let us have multiple ones per area

remove the other types

[foggy jasper]

Remove tree and buff loot from it while removing walls and honestly good mechanic

[split maple]

and make breach rings drop multiple per map

[ancient snow]

BRO

[split maple]

i want back one grasping per 3 map baseline

[shrewd rock]

I personally don't have a ton of confidence in GGG's poo1 support

[crisp plinth]

just dont pull it in

[finite quail]

what is it son

[shrewd rock]

feels like it's on maintenance mode

[ancient snow]

nice crash amsterdam server

[finite quail]

we'll see when 3.28 comes around

[ancient snow]

-10% xp

[shrewd rock]

if they can't handle 4 month leagues for 2 games, then adjust the cadence

[finite quail]

[shrewd rock]

instead of making half-finished trash

i heard poo2 is also not in a good state

and the latest patch didnt fix endgame

which was the main problem

this is where their 4-month release cadence is not doing them favors lol

[finite quail]

One big thing at a time

[shrewd rock]

imagine if they had like

6 months

to just fix endgame

[normal hedge]

they didnt tried to fix endgame

nothing changed

[finite quail]

Druid was a banger though

Druid and the talismans are fucking goated

[crisp plinth]

idk man feels like ggg has tons of time

and even with more time we dont get more quality

[brazen vector]

remember when poe2 was supposed to be finished by summer 25

[crisp plinth]

no because it wasnt true

[finite quail]

no

that was never a thing

[thick goblet]

i could be making this up but i'm pretty sure they mentioned poe2 literally had two people in charge of all balance, they thankfully added like 3 or 4 more people for next patch

[brazen vector]

oh

[crisp plinth]

if you promise sweeping endgame changes and provide 0

maybe you fucked up a bit

[shrewd rock]

yeah I mean I think that 2 people is fine

[crisp plinth]

and if you bring out druid and its 90% diablo 2 ripoff

its also kinda boring

[shrewd rock]

the problem right now is that both of their games are feeling the squeeze

of feeling unsupported

and IMO

it's better to make 1 thing good

than to half-ass multiple things

and everything sucks

[crisp plinth]

well they also made it worse for people only enjoying 1 of their games

as poe1 only player its hard to get hyped

[shrewd rock]

yeah the expansions have definitely dropped off

hard

in quality

since they started focusing on poe2

[crisp plinth]

memory strands were DOA

ye

[pulsar dune]

Strands found their niche

This league they're a bit pointless since tree exists, but there was sushis mirror craft where they did work

[crisp plinth]

i mean i am so far removed from mirror crafts and the system wasnt even great in the last league

[cobalt blade]

they are still p good for making influenced int stack hats

[worldly bridge]

what is this old af looking light radius

me when low life build

[pulsar dune]

Last league a major issue was that they were part of challenges

[raven spear]

trade site is down?

[cobalt blade]

The horrors of low life

[pulsar dune]

But I do think they're a good addition to the game overall

[crisp plinth]

compared to old influenced items they were just boring

[worldly bridge]

every league, using an expensive currency for challenges makes me cringe every time

[pulsar dune]

Having something that manipulates tiers in a way mere mortals can actually do

Is nice

[bronze falcon]

Just be poor, ez

[cobalt blade]

I think it was better when they could upgrade crafted mods

[tranquil umbra]

where is the 50% of es is converted to light radius

[elfin spire]

got third passive from exalt, W

[cobalt blade]

Alot more useable for the average person

[shrewd rock]

that's kinda the issue right?

i'm okay with league-based content finding their niche, like a league specific content.

but memory strands are core, and I have an expectation that core stuff should be things that I can interact with, rather than mirror crafts

that's a design flaw IMO

[pulsar dune]

I'd wager the 90th percentile player has literally never used a teardrop or a sanctified.

[worldly bridge]

its not a complaint

just an observation

also i cant even run that mastery

im starved on points rn

[pulsar dune]

Whereas you can essence spam stranded items during atlas prog and get something better than normal

[worldly bridge]

i would be running it if i could

[cobalt blade]

id say most whove touched small clusters have atleast attempted to use teardrops because of how miserable they are to craft

[pulsar dune]

I made my bleed axe on a strand base in Merc League.

The other issue with strands is that they're not fully reverse engineered yet

[shrewd rock]

well that's because of the bug where essence doesn't consume strands lol

[pulsar dune]

Nah, Essence uses strands

[shrewd rock]

i would rather them just actually make strands useful

for crafting

[split maple]

harvest and fossils

dont

essence always did

[shrewd rock]

yeah that

[pulsar dune]

Harvest and fossil are the funny ones where you can spam into unravel

[shrewd rock]

I actually don't think strands is in a good state

based on where it is currently

[cobalt blade]

they use them now didnt originally

[shrewd rock]

game design-wise

[pulsar dune]

I like that crafting has a system where tiers matter

[cobalt blade]

Its only fossils harvest and beast add pre/remove suff and vice versa where you dont consume strands

[crisp plinth]

strands are pretty boring and feel underwhelming

[shrewd rock]

that is irrelevant to strands though lol

also memory maps are wholly uninteresting

[pulsar dune]

Normally two T3 life, T4 life, and T7 flat ES are more or less in the same group

[hard cliff]

I would like to see a hunger/tiredness mechanic next league

I want to forage for berries during maps

[shrewd rock]

you're supposed to be able to press a button to do something in the map

[pulsar dune]

Strands are the system that interacts with tiers

[shrewd rock]

but the only thing you do is spam that button

[shrewd rock]

yes, but the fact that crafting has a system where tiers matter is irrelevant

because you can make tiers matter, whilst keeping strands relevant/meaningful

it's not that by making strands useful, suddenly tiers dont matter

that's the part of your statement i'm attacking

[naive stirrup]

what are contract?

[split maple]

show them red markers to a lass in town

she will explain

[naive stirrup]

OKIE

okie

[pulsar dune]

If I want good life on an item, hitting T5 life is no closer to the item than hitting T7 flat es

With strands, you have tools to work with T5 life

That's what I mean by tiers not mattering

You either hit or you don't

[shrewd rock]

but yeah my other criticism is with memory maps. they are wholly uninteresting. they're basically just a t16 map with more juice. The mechanics of memory shit don't matter at all, and there's nothing about it that really makes the mechanic interesting.

[pulsar dune]

Yea, memory abilities are a failure

[shrewd rock]

I think 16.5 do have their place, but they need more identity

[split maple]

t16.5 maps were a lot more interesting last league

[shrewd rock]

in terms of what they're supposed to be

[split maple]

t17 mod nerfs made them too annoying to roll

they good for farming t17 tho

[finite quail]

contracts come from the Heist mechanic, its an area you open in the Rogue Harbor, leads to a fortified location where you sneak in to steal an item of value, then you have to dash out of there with sirens going off and guards attacking you

If you die inside, you lose the valuables you stole

[naive stirrup]

oh okie but where the npc?

[crisp plinth]

t16.5 and 17 just need to lose the mods that make them slogs

[crisp plinth]

feels like they just gave up on buffing shit and brought so many mods that make mapping annoying

[split maple]

kurai

to the right

if you already talked with her, right click marker

will open a portal

[cobalt blade]

love deal damage every tuesday just outright being a slog

[brazen vector]

@split maple my safehouse just dropped me 4 pillars of arun

[split maple]

f u

[brazen vector]

[split maple]

i will slap rin in fort at some point

just cba this month

[cobalt blade]

right click the marker itll open a portal

click that portal

[finite quail]

right click the marker in your inventory

then go into the portal

[naive stirrup]

oh okie

[tranquil umbra]

how the hell do I get life reservation efficiency

[split maple]

isnt there reservation mastery for that

or you mean meaningful amounts

[finite quail]

reservation mastery iirc

There's some uniques aswell

[pulsar dune]

Shield has socketed

[split maple]

enlighten etc

[tranquil umbra]

yes however I am using eternal blessing

[finite quail]

foulborn alpha's howl is 32% life reservation efficiency

[pulsar dune]

It's probably worth dropping 3 points on 30%

[split maple]

prism guardian trust

[stuck phoenix]

There's also champion of the cause for generic

[finite quail]

Prism guardian also

[split maple]

i rly like prism guardian as unique

its just good design

[stuck phoenix]

And leader of the pack

[split maple]

interesting, not op, build enabler

[finite quail]

Also the architect of chaos life reservation node

[tranquil umbra]

Prism Guardian looks interesting hmm

[tranquil umbra]

this is not for Phrecia but yes I know this

I could even run an extra aura with Prism Guardian

[cobalt blade]

socketed gem reservation corruption on a hat

(if unique)

[worldly bridge]

are yall sure cilcking just one color is the right way to go

i clicked NINE other plots

theres no way i dont get at least a single t4

[jagged raven]

are u on t17 map?

[worldly bridge]

what would that matter for crop rotation

[jagged raven]

it matters as ive been told by someone from this chat before

[cobalt blade]

one thing to note this display bugs alot

And doesnt actually show crop rota upgraded seeds

[cedar fern]

For anyone that went to exile on before. Do they charge in US $? Want to see if I need the card without foreign currency fee

[split maple]

plot upgrade chance is based on map tier

[worldly bridge]

idk why being in a t17 sould give me- WHAT

[split maple]

but like diff between t16 and t17 is minimal

[worldly bridge]

why is that a thing?

for crop rotation?????

[cobalt blade]

so you cant just farm it in t1's and make the same profit as a t16

[jagged raven]

dont tell me u bought storage full of t16 maps :)

[worldly bridge]

why are you so smug

i dont appreciate it

[finite quail]

dont forget the display is bugged and sometimes does not update correctly

[royal rover]

at the end of challenge league, will our characters be migrated to standard or normal keepers?

[finite quail]

Look at the actual plots themselves

[jagged raven]

sadly game doesnt tell u about the 100s of secret stuff

[worldly bridge]

ah

[split maple]

keepers

[worldly bridge]

got it

[finite quail]

kepeers

[split maple]

if you mean phrecia

[royal rover]

epic

yeah I mean phrecia

[finite quail]

You can see how many bosses are on your harvest since they have a different, bigger model than the other plants

[jagged raven]

cuz i did
then someone told me about running t17

on harvest rota

[cobalt blade]

you'll be converted to a non phrecia ascend

[jagged raven]

for better return

[cobalt blade]

like arisrocrat becomes slayer or w/e

[finite quail]

dont forget ur character will be bricked upon being moved to keepers

the ascendancy doesnt transfer

[jagged raven]

cant remember if it was esm or someone else

[split maple]

thats not brick

[cobalt blade]

arisrocrat gets so bricked

[split maple]

thats temporary readjustment of expectations

[cobalt blade]

-8-9 passives

[spare ore]

becomes unascended class

[cobalt blade]

No its still ascended

[finite quail]

Still ascended

[worldly bridge]

well assuming how someone else said theres minimal difference im going to believe them not you

[spare ore]

is it? cause my char from last phrecia was unascended

[cobalt blade]

mine weren't

If you go ingame rn and type /ladder in phrecia itll still say the old ascend names btw for ppl

Thats the ascends those people turn into once you get migrated

[split maple]

read this https://forgottenarbiter.github.io/Poe-Harvest-Mechanics/#crop-rotation-1

[cobalt blade]

and aristocrat iirc lines up with slayer idk the rest off the top off my head

[stuck phoenix]

Screenshots or didn't happen

[split maple]

idk whats exact % for t17 but shouldnt be too far off t16

my ancom last phrecia became juggie

[jagged raven]

i could be coping
but on t17 sometimes after taking 2crops
a yellow turns t4 :)
might as well try a few on t17 if u have alot of currency just saying

[naive stirrup]

what

[worldly bridge]

afaik you cant upgrade two tiers in one click

[cobalt blade]

Thats not actually possible you need to click 3 min

[split maple]

click v

[worldly bridge]

so idk how you get from t1 to t2 to t4

[hallow saffron]

how do i only search for 1 slot idol i cant find any filters for it

[cobalt blade]

minor idol in the search bar

[hallow saffron]

oh lmao thanks

[worldly bridge]

interesting

[split maple]

its rly old so take with grain of salt

[jagged raven]

its like how the game doesnt tell u map tier affects crops tier
rest upto u

[split maple]

but fundamentals should hold

[cobalt blade]

i mean its literally impossible in this case

you can only upgrade once per crop click

[split maple]

yeah azhar i would trust Naca more than tooltips

she knows her stuff

[jagged raven]

i trust u guys more than wiki ngl

[shrewd rock]

how much of a difference is 16 vs 17 btw?

it's neglible but

curious if the # is available

is it linear

per map tier

[cobalt blade]

Idk an actual % but its small enough the main thing that matters is quant

/pack size on the map

youd rather run a t16 with 20% extra quant than a 17

[jagged raven]

pack size matters alot

[split maple]

main diff this league is t16.5 is absolute ass to roll for high packsize and quant

compared to t17

[cobalt blade]

mostly they have higher pack size and you fix quant with eater altars

(on avg)

[split maple]

on the other hand trade availability of 8mod t16.5 and t17,...

[brazen vector]

sundered will nr 8 in 12 maps??

[eager summit]

I must have looked at thousands of Ritual reward windows, and only just noticed the candles are animated, not static. 🤯

[shrewd rock]

i fucking hate trading though

even when I'm not playing selffound

so even when i'm in trade i try to do trade-light strats

[split maple]

ssf i run t17 and dont complain, like t16.5 i only do for map farm

and for blight but then i cry after failing to roll 10 maps in 30min

[shrewd rock]

like I'd rather be suboptimal

[cobalt blade]

you dont enjoy doing map pvp with 20 people trying to buy the same tab of maps? D:

[shrewd rock]

and waste currency or run slightly shittier maps

the only thing trade does for me

is being able to play weird fucking builds

that require specific items that dont always exist in selffound

[shrewd rock]

oh yeah they added async

i skipped 3.27 🙂

[cobalt blade]

its a mix of better and worse with async lol

for maps specifically

better because you spend alot less time searching for the 1 person that actually wants to trade and worse because 20 different people will also teleport into the hideout for that same map tab and your entirely held back by your loading screens

[shrewd rock]

part of the reason i skipped was cuz i've been playing more selffound

and a lot of the improvements were to trade

if 3.28 is good i'll come back

[split maple]

ssf this league was kinda freebie

treetree carries first 2-3months

[cobalt blade]

tree is dumb as hell for ssf

[split maple]

so you can ignore crafting until you go for lategame build

[shrewd rock]

freebie doesnt really mean good lol

[shrewd rock]

crafting is actually fun though lol

[split maple]

yeah i didnt say its good

i rly dont like it

[shrewd rock]

that's like saying you can drink soylent to be full

[split maple]

having no decent unique farms and spaming maps for treetree to carry the gearing is kinda ass

[shrewd rock]

i'd rather eat a steak

slowly

[cobalt blade]

why not drink the steak smh

[shrewd rock]

hey man if they make a drinkable steak

i'll buy it

[cobalt blade]

i hope they add a good unique farm might do an ssf run

[split maple]

on the other hand i rly rly like how tree makes unique jewels obtainable sanely

[cobalt blade]

I mean you can buy a blender

[split maple]

they rly should be t3 and remove tree 😄

[worldly bridge]

once i get back from work tho

[shrewd rock]

that sounds bad tho

[split maple]

wretched cards trust

[cobalt blade]

last time i did ssf was necro settlers and i got to like 7 t0's no mageblood

Did get hh though

[split maple]

but like state of unique farming is fucking weird rng for me ... hh and reefbane from tree, mb from wretched, ee from random ass map boss in nonjuiced map, gambled half a stack of squire from ritual

i should start spaming titanics at some point but like with what content

[cobalt blade]

idont like tree being most of the good uniques youll get in ssf rn

feels kinda dumb that your best unique farm is just enter look for fortress/old breach do wombgifts

[split maple]

tree should be for breach uniques only if it stays (it shouldnt)

but also make jewels t3 😛

[grave vine]

Mercs might be back this league

[cobalt blade]

cant wait for the 25% loot nerf to make them mandatory to use

[brazen vector]

that was 3.27

[cobalt blade]

True

[split maple]

Open coves, loading screens, frostblink, Fort didn't spawn, leave coves, loading screens, repeat

Fucking hell on earth

[cobalt blade]

you can use the load screen to determine if a fortress spawned if your really paying attention too

adds an extra half second to second or so generating it

[dusky igloo]

man what is wrong with oce servers

[split maple]

Then you have to Guess if it's EU routing going through germany again or Fort 😄

[grave vine]

Early Legion might be back if tree gone tho

[cobalt blade]

Ah im lucky enough to not deal with that on london serv

its very consistent

[crisp plinth]

cloudflare warp and routing is your friend

or paid vpn

[split maple]

My fave rota in Poe is Frankfurt - Amsterdam - Milano until one works

[native token]

i want that

[cobalt blade]

i do london milan paris

[native token]

gearing is WAY to easy nowdays

[brazen vector]

league start its always washington

[native token]

no effort to get full gear

[cobalt blade]

amsterdam at league start since its most stable

[split maple]

I am pobing 500pdps axe legstart and panicking

For next league

[native token]

thats fine

but ssf is giga easymode nowdays

[cobalt blade]

dont you get better with vendor recipe

[native token]

it needs to change

[cobalt blade]

and craft

[split maple]

kinda vendor recipe + craft + t4 attack speed or smh like that yeah 😄

[cobalt blade]

yea

[opaque sphinx]

its just +50 intell per map
100%+ additional rank
stack leader + reinforcement chance after

i run the map white w/ 1 rein scarab

[raw sluice]

i need gold service who is do that pm pm me please i can pay

[split maple]

this is a shitposting server not service server

[opaque sphinx]

global/trade 820

[hard cliff]

Build is almost finished

[opaque sphinx]

for services

[raw sluice]

ty but channel is full

[hard cliff]

I've got 100% chaos conversion some of the time

100% of the time sometimes it's 100% up all the time

[opaque sphinx]

bullshit the channel is full

[native abyss]

lock in

[stuck phoenix]

Keep in mind that global channels are not for trading

[opaque sphinx]

global 820 is literally for finding services

[stuck phoenix]

Ngl, not sure I ever heard it described as such

[opaque sphinx]

and carries

[stuck phoenix]

I thought it was just free carries

[brazen vector]

its free carries, yea

[stuck phoenix]

Thought so

[opaque sphinx]

yes

and trade is for paid version

[cobalt blade]

you might find someone willing to let you afk in their blight in global

I think its like 1-1.5m gold from the juiced ones in phrecia if they let you afk lol

[brazen vector]

I got every single FB breach amulet now EXCEPT uul netols... game do be trolling

[opaque sphinx]

doesnt seem full

not full either

[cobalt blade]

Just try multiple times anytime it says full you'll kick someone out of the channel that was mid loadscreen

[opaque sphinx]

all i did was log in and try once

there's 0% chance these channels are ever full on phrecia a week before it ends

[cobalt blade]

i could see trade one being full for people buying auls

global def not

[brazen vector]

oh shit, there it is

[finite quail]

gyaaaaaaa

[brazen vector]

+1
+13
+20
-5

[finite quail]

Divineable

[nimble bay]

Dropped my first House Of Mirrors. The stacked deck giveth.

[finite quail]

Give it to me so I can divine it

[nimble bay]

K

[brazen vector]

youre not online

[finite quail]

Hopping online

I got 21 divs and little drive to play rn

[brazen vector]

WHAT

[finite quail]

Correct

oop

[whole bluff]

ty!

[frigid wedge]

i forgot i needed gold

to buy this sword

ffs

[frigid wedge]

and not the surgery

[brazen vector]

@finite quail it is free

[finite quail]

I am appearing

[frigid wedge]

i just lost 2d to gold cost

fml

[finite quail]

great start

[frigid wedge]

watcha doin

[frigid wedge]

funsies

[finite quail]

Decent so we stopped

[whole bluff]

man, tree is a money laundering scheme

[frigid wedge]

nice

[heady cliff]

money laureling scheme

[wanton haven]

I get to take a week of for leaguestart

[brazen vector]

the -4 is even more perfect as it doesnt get lower with the catalyst :D

[finite quail]

wtf

[frigid wedge]

are u just minmaximg little things then

[stray sedge]

gz

[brazen vector]

I mean a 100 adorned would be huge

[frigid wedge]

2mir for 6% dps

woa

[brazen vector]

3

[frigid wedge]

mb thats a much more reasonable price for that dps

[brazen vector]

dw, youre good

100% darkness enthroned

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-luke-lucky-luke-shadow-lucky-luke-faster-than-his-shadow-quickdraw-faster-than-his-shadow-gif-17318989496121197173

mods be like

[frigid wedge]

nice

idk how to level up rn

i need 87

[brazen vector]

are you res capped?

[frigid wedge]

p much

[brazen vector]

can join my maps a bit

[frigid wedge]

ty

[modern zinc]

I have finished all white and yellow maps 🙂

just missing the reds now

it's a bit annoying because sometimes I vaal them and they turn into another map lmao

[frigid wedge]

i love loading in

its so fun

my uh

game is struggling

[brazen vector]

and you want to play spark?

[frigid wedge]

its fine till i have to load other people's instances

[finite quail]

BRUH

teleporting ontop of chickens in kingsmarch still crashes your game or dcs you

How is that still a thing

[frigid wedge]

idk why my game does this

but its fun like that

i should look into it tbh

[granite bloom]

left or right? right is 50 divs cheaper, and have 1 more curse (punishment)

[frigid wedge]

obv right

unless both are expensive

[granite bloom]

base is kind of 300+ divs

[finite quail]

Right

[granite bloom]

[cobalt blade]

do you have other tradeoffs going right

[granite bloom]

tks bro

[cobalt blade]

like losing curse immune crit immune w/e

if its just the damage/life id go right

[modern zinc]

rituals are pretty hard in my opinion

[frigid wedge]

i can read

i think

[hybrid harness]

why would u pick the less dmg less tanky one what am I missing

[frigid wedge]

cheaper

[cobalt blade]

bad cost to damage

[frigid wedge]

by 50d

[hybrid harness]

that difference is easily worth 50d

[cobalt blade]

a div per 0.34% dmg

[cobalt blade]

(ish)

Probably has more efficient scaling using that 50d elsewhere

[whole bluff]

so in 22k graftblood I made: 121 fractured life ilvl 86 velour boots, 119 fractured life ilvl 86 slink boots, 120 fractured life ilvl 86 leviathan greaves, 250 ES 50 int 40 res open prefix open suffix sage boots, and some possibly sellable scraps

[granite bloom]

left: voice + grand spectrum for 30% life/3 endur + reflect focus amulet
right: poor pure tree/ focus amulet no reflecting but + 1 curse (punishment) -> 27m dps when boss low life

[split maple]

I need to work on my reading comprehension, I legit spent 5min wondering how you got 500 or so boots from 20k blood

[cobalt blade]

idt you'll hit a reflected focus amulet within 50d

its a 1/3 for 2/3 reflect

i think mists were around 15-20d each last i checked + base cost and cost to roll that

grand spectrums prob worth working towards though

[split maple]

Base cost should be irrelevant though due to 4/5 refund

But yea mist price gonna fuck you up there 😄

[cobalt blade]

Ay but it's relevant when your initially starting it since they dont move in a somewhat slower league like phrecia

[strong totem]

wtb fireball of kinetic blast

[frigid wedge]

lmao

good skill

[cobalt blade]

Oh also you cant mist influ* items

Idk if you need that amulet to be hunter but its hunter in your image lol

[granite bloom]

just forgot to remove hunter

no worry

[cobalt blade]

Ye just making sure cos bound

[modest tiger]

ugh im playing in phrecia and subclasses changed?

[split maple]

That's the whole point of Phrecia lol

[modest tiger]

i want to choose chieftain

[split maple]

So migrate to keepers

[cobalt blade]

can you even migrate

[modest tiger]

im completly new to arpg games lol

i was following guide that building righteous fire thing and yeah my guide choose chieftain but i have no chieftain in that league lol

[pulsar dune]

I'm impressed you made it to a lab in Phrecia as a new player NGL

[modest tiger]

can you guys just suggest me 1 subclass thats maybe similar to chieftain or could be good with righteous fire what ever

[elfin spire]

wait, there's "player's size decrease" modifier?? lmao

[hybrid harness]

pohx had paladin as noob choice I think

and the shaman for experienced

[split maple]

None of these on marauder sadly

[hybrid harness]

but neither of those are on marauder

[cobalt blade]

marauder doesnt have one for rf

in phrecia

[frigid wedge]

technically ancom might b ok

but its even more zdps

[split maple]

I would embrace the destiny of going an commander and get a big bonking axe

[cobalt blade]

its purely defence and no explode which is the whole reason chieftains picked main game

it would actually be so miserable playing rf on that lmao

[granite bloom]

it's actually 50/50 for 2/3 reflect if i calculate correct

[frigid wedge]

time to burn the cpu

[hybrid harness]

very happy about 6th launch btw. skipped phrecia and been playing league for it to feel fresh

[cobalt blade]

So first off this is assuming 2 mod amulet the game is weighted to basically never give you full positive

you always reflect on 3 mod simplex/focused because of this

[pulsar dune]

111 and 222 are far less likely than the mixed options

[astral shadow]

new league delve rework? xD

[granite bloom]

info come from where?

[pulsar dune]

Vibes mostly.

[astral shadow]

pic on the annoucement

its a mine

[modern zinc]

hmmmm

I wonder if I could do a RF Hierophant

maybe not exactly just RF. I could use archmage something and do a bit of a hybrid spellcaster build

[astral shadow]

they gonna make steve mad

[pulsar dune]

ManaRF hiero is real

[heady cliff]

1 positive 2 negative guaranteed to reflect into 1 negative 2 positive in a second item

[astral shadow]

rework = nerf mechanic xD

[cobalt blade]

So your going for the odds the 2/3 stats chosen are going to be your 2 stats

Life+wed positive good
life pos wed negative bad
wed pos life negative bad
your third stat is something that doesnt brick you

[heady cliff]

so its 50/50 at the end

[cobalt blade]

33% chance

[pulsar dune]

Yea, it's a tiny bit better than 1/3, since you have 3 mods which could go opposite the other two, and only one of them is acceptable

[cobalt blade]

its closer to 1/3 than it is to 50/50

[heady cliff]

you forgot life+wed both negatives, which reflects into two positives, making it 50/50

[pulsar dune]

And ofc if you hit triple you win

[frigid wedge]

well.

[cobalt blade]

You only need to calculate for 1 side

Life pos wed pos is also life neg wed neg

[heady cliff]

definitely not

yes, this is why its not 25% but 50%

either both positives or both negatives is a win

[pulsar dune]

Given mods ABC and desired AB positive, the options are

A/BC
B/AC
C/AB - only good outcome

You don't care whether you hit 2 pos 1 neg or 1 pos 2 neg

[modern zinc]

now I just need to figure out what spells would benefit from an insanely high cast speed

[pulsar dune]

You just care which mod ends up the one distinct one

[frigid wedge]

what u doing

[pulsar dune]

Just about all of them

[cobalt blade]

Its the same hit though so it has no affect on your probability

[modern zinc]

mana RF

[cobalt blade]

your just going for the 33% chance it picks your 2 stats

[frigid wedge]

what

[cobalt blade]

Yup^^

[granite bloom]

so it's 33% or 50%

[modern zinc]

it would have to be an aoe spell too instead of a projectile 'cause I want to benefit from hiero's insane aoe scaling

[stoic horizon]

its always 50/50

[modern zinc]

maybe shock or lightning nova

[stoic horizon]

it happens or doesnt

[modern zinc]

or ice nova

[cobalt blade]

if it also helps I've clicked mists on amulets and it is a rough 1/3

[heady cliff]

given mod A, which could go either way (mirrored), you have mod B which could be on the same sign as mod A (win, 50%), or different sign as mod A (lose, 50%). Mod C is irrelevant

[cobalt blade]

from experience

[frigid wedge]

smh just self shock and go double rf

with galvanic

xD

[pulsar dune]

Not how mists work

[modern zinc]

you can double rf? wtf

[pulsar dune]

No

[cobalt blade]

you can triple rf

[pulsar dune]

Mists do not make independent choices for each mods polarity

[cobalt blade]

Deaths oath +galvanic+rf

[frigid wedge]

+vaal cold snap

[modern zinc]

ohhh, DO

doesn't DO suck ass

[cobalt blade]

truuue

[cobalt blade]

yes

[pulsar dune]

New rings make it kinda decent afaik

[frigid wedge]

DO is p ok

for speedge

[cobalt blade]

Its still bad

[frigid wedge]

the dps will always suck ass

[pulsar dune]

33%

[cobalt blade]

its just a caustic arrow build with a shitty version of rf

[pulsar dune]

Nah, storm burst decay shako like a true gamer

[cobalt blade]

that do be another route yes

[frigid wedge]

theres also id

on it now

bc ofc

[cobalt blade]

i think youd need to do too much investment for poison chance for that ontop of losing glove slot

and ring slots for aoe for overlap

[frigid wedge]

idk

its a thing ppl have done

looks mid

[cobalt blade]

its definitely doable but like just play id on its own at that point

[frigid wedge]

i love id

[cobalt blade]

Same :3

ID pf was fun during crucible lol

[frigid wedge]

:3

full screen aoe id in merc league

played to avoid using mercs

[cobalt blade]

The funny staff i had in a private league

was a pita to get those 2 mods iirc

[frigid wedge]

woa

i still have my whole id put together

i swapped to it to show someone and got kinda rlly upset when i swapped back to my keepers build

[cobalt blade]

that ones very non functional since was before the cascade curse change lmao

[frigid wedge]

xD

[cobalt blade]

understandable loll

[frigid wedge]

ouch

i kinda wanna make mirror gear for my id

at some point

it was my fav

my baby

[cobalt blade]

seems like a fun project

[frigid wedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/character/SansShotoMoonLord

this one

swap a bunch of stuff to hunter to go dawnbreaker

[cobalt blade]

big char

[blissful zodiac]

standard league is a magical place

[frigid wedge]

this is a big char

[cobalt blade]

That thing is entirely crucible league no standard shenanigans D:

[cobalt blade]

holy

[frigid wedge]

it cant do anything rn tho

[blissful zodiac]

yeah but crucible is gone

[frigid wedge]

seems like ass

[blissful zodiac]

but u right

[cobalt blade]

sadly

[blissful zodiac]

no stash tab mode in poe

interesting

[frigid wedge]

ive been really good at keeping to 1 build for most of the league the last 2! im really proud of myself

[blissful zodiac]

dont accidentally drop ur divines

[mild torrent]

Yo what corruption implicits can you get on one-hand axes?

[cobalt blade]

don't forget to zone into delve every 5 minutes to keep the items you dropped on the floor there safe

[cobalt blade]

https://poedb.tw/us/One_Hand_Axes#VaalOrbCorruptedImplicit

[stuck phoenix]

it makes the game 100% fair :p

[blissful zodiac]

imagine dropping a mageblood but ur inventory is full

better choose wisely on what ur ditching

[modern zinc]

cast speed does not increase Scorching Ray's dps

ok. good to know.

[frigid wedge]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

im missing smth

[modern zinc]

do I ~have~ to use Ivory Tower?

[frigid wedge]

oh

larges

[modern zinc]

Jesus why am I even asking

almost everyone is

[pulsar dune]

No, but it's a good item in this context

You can't reserve your mana, so may as well reserve your life

Don't even need traitor unlike the inquis builds

If you avoid arcane cloak you can even skip the whole elixir

[frigid wedge]

i gotta get a whole ass bloodline

ugh

[cobalt blade]

you dont need elixir with ivory

ivory makes it so chaos damage is taken from mana before life

20-30k mana pool basically makes elixir irrelevant

[pulsar dune]

With arcane cloak you can get a bit cooked

I usually see people do elixir with use on guard skill

[modern zinc]

I'd rather use molten shell and frost shield than arcane cloak

[pulsar dune]

But 20-30k is probably high enough that it'll end up fine

[cobalt blade]

You need to cloak

for indigon

[cobalt blade]

You end up with a large enough pool its fine post cloak most of the time

[modern zinc]

what a complicated build

[pulsar dune]

Fair fair

[cobalt blade]

cloak spends mana indigon gives spell damage from spending mana

[pulsar dune]

Mostly seen it on archmage leaguestarters

[cobalt blade]

Spell damage applies to mana rf you do damage

Yeah archmage LL its a bit more important since you actually spend large amounts of amana

Mana rf gets away with it since its just cloak

mjolner archmage also gets away with it since you dont spend mana

[rich widget]

bro WHAT

[modern zinc]

that can't be right

[finite quail]

not real

[rich widget]

i was gonna say but look at the volume

5.3k?

[finite quail]

still not real

go check in faustus right now

[rich widget]

of course ts not real but like why is it on the site

how did it even apper there

[finite quail]

market manipulation

[cobalt blade]

someone listed a bunch on regular trade

ninja pulls data from that it gets funny

[frigid wedge]

yeah price trackers dont rlly work for faustus tbh

[icy zinc]

price checking for new players is absolute hell

though you get help through decent neversink filter or poewealthy

obviously awakened poe trade help long way

[cobalt blade]

they have the api check faustus now afaik they just prio regular trade listing currently

[icy zinc]

yeah essence of hatred shows at 41 div xdd

hilarious

[frigid wedge]

ooh

lmao

this sucks ass

[modern zinc]

yeah i'm not a big fan of ultimatum either

[cobalt blade]

yooo reduced currency

[frigid wedge]

this build goes from this to filling the map 3x over with projectiles

entirely based on how lucky i get with the buffs from charlie

:/

this is dumb

[finite quail]

from what

oh charlatan

[finite quail]

it can roll different types of reduced rewards on it

[modern zinc]

please tell me you're with the gambler ascendancy

[frigid wedge]

ye ik

[finite quail]

gambler spark?

[frigid wedge]

its oshabi for 75% shrine buff effect

i need to grab my bloodline tmr

but idk how much lycia carries r

[modern zinc]

ohhh

it would fit so well

everyone does ES & Mana Hiero RF

I'm gonna be different

I'm gonna do life and mana

I don't need to run 3000 auras

[frigid wedge]

ppl do es and mana bc it scales better

[cobalt blade]

clarity gives you mana as energy as ES and i ts gonna give you more ES than you can get life

[frigid wedge]

^

[cobalt blade]

from that funny watchers eye mod

[modern zinc]

this is so hot tbh

[frigid wedge]

for context this is me TAPPING my skill when i actually find the buffs i want

[modern zinc]

mana taken before life mod is also so cool

honestly I play mostly SSF

I'm just in trade league so I can put stuff in trade for 1c or 1 alch to help ppl out

also kill bosses when people need help on global

[frigid wedge]

clarity has some of the better watchers mods in the game

[cobalt blade]

precision too

crit multi and attack speed for like -20 mana

[viscid ruin]

was probably manipulated

[frigid wedge]

all of the flat reserved skills have decent watchers

vital has a couple ok

life on hit

uh

[cobalt blade]

life on hit and %regen

[frigid wedge]

life on hit

[cobalt blade]

specifically % regen for the ES builds

[frigid wedge]

true

[pulsar wraith]

hey guys i got a new pc i run a 5080 and amd ryzen 7800x3d and im not coming over 90 fps (when i spark its down to 45), any idea why thats the case? i had better fps on my older pc lol

[cobalt blade]

are your settings higher

[viscid ruin]

internet?

[cobalt blade]

like 4k instead of 1080p

[frigid wedge]

when i spark

[pulsar wraith]

yea but even if i dont spark it drops lol

[cobalt blade]

and do you have global illumination on that destroys frames

[pulsar wraith]

it takes the graphic of my monitor

global is off

[frigid wedge]

oh it does

[viscid ruin]

blud, doesn't matter how good your specs are, never play POE on max settings, seriously

[pulsar wraith]

no i am not i got low on basically all i can

dont wanna fry my pc

[frigid wedge]

if i had the right headhunter i could literally melt my pc parts on this spark

:P

ur playing s reasonably laggy skill

but also poe isnt particularly well optimised for newer pc builds

[pulsar wraith]

ye like its fine if it drops a bit i got 15 cast speed etc. makes sense but still feels 10x worse to play on my new setup than my old one (3060)

[frigid wedge]

.

[pulsar wraith]

yea ig that must be the issue then tbh

sad tho

[frigid wedge]

theres probably smth else causing some amount of issue

[viscid ruin]

vsync?

[pulsar wraith]

tried adaptive, and off doesnt make a difference

[viscid ruin]

have you checked what else is running on your pc?

[normal hedge]

the fix is the spider mtx

p2w game

[pulsar wraith]

render resolution is balanced, directx12, upscale is default

[viscid ruin]

does amd cards use directx? or vulkan?

[pulsar wraith]

well my graphics card is nvidia