1┃general

[worldly bridge]

VERY normal

[pseudo axle]

I've dropped a mirror of kalandra and to the best of my knowledge I've never dropped a mageblood

so there you go

[proud gorge]

me when I don't get my usual Mirror drop during atlas completion

[worldly bridge]

I have two characters with hundreds of hours between them and havent dropped a HH or MB

[pseudo axle]

for most chase items you're farming to buy a chase item

headhunters are real cheap now though!

only like 10 divines

for good ones

[proud gorge]

I've played this game since Incursion and haven't gotten a mageblood or mirror or headhunter drop lmao

[worldly bridge]

Oh thats kinda silly

[pseudo axle]

'basic' headhunters are even cheaper

its really good imho

[proud gorge]

it's because of two things, lack of demand, and oversupply

[pseudo axle]

its a great inbetween between 'normal belt' and 'mageblood'

headhunter is still a perfectly serviceable belt

its really good still

[proud gorge]

there's so many headhunter div cards in the game

[tranquil umbra]

dawg it's 36d minimum

[worldly bridge]

The thing with HH is that it only makes your build better

[pseudo axle]

I know its great

[worldly bridge]

It wont save a bad build

[pseudo axle]

what?

[tranquil umbra]

or you mean regular Keepers

[worldly bridge]

Where as a MB can save bad builds sometimes

[pseudo axle]

regular keepers

[tranquil umbra]

yeah in Keepers it's 12d

[pseudo axle]

okay its 12 on regular keepers

[worldly bridge]

Just farm 100000k juice and migrate xdd

Sell then profit

[pseudo axle]

replica headhunters are only 3-4 div

an underrated belt

[proud gorge]

I mean Mageblood just lets you fit more build per build, it literally just functions to expand your "build budget"

[pseudo axle]

oh its closer to 5 div

[pseudo axle]

oh sure

mageblood is god-tier

[proud gorge]

almost any build (that doesn't require a specific belt) will use Mageblood because it just serves to free up build budget, moreso than any other item

[pseudo axle]

give darkness enthroned more abyssal sockets

[brazen vector]

I hate how all I need now is a voidforge but without it I cant beat the content I need the voidforge for xddd

[heady cliff]

nemeses rare juice with maven scarabs and A LOT of annoying map rolling

highly rng too

[pseudo axle]

are you using voidforge as god intended

[brazen vector]

On an AG

[pseudo axle]

for chains of command?

[brazen vector]

Yea

[proud gorge]

personally I think items like Mageblood and old Adorned that just give generic build budget to every build are pretty unhealthy for the game, imo, but that's just my take

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[pseudo axle]

are you playing phrecia or keepers

[brazen vector]

Phrecia

[keen veldt]

how exactly can I farm heist most efficiently for trarthus gems? I’m not seeing any gems, I must be doing something wrong

[tranquil umbra]

have you tried the dancing dervish

[proud gorge]

imo good build crafting in PoE is about knowing how and when to spend your build budget, and on what, juggling various different buckets of build budget to see what fits where and what you can afford to spend on what. If you can't fit any res on gear, you spend aura budget on Purities, or in a pinch Jewels budget on Grand Spectrums. There's like twelve different ways to become immune to elemental ailments, depending on what you're willing to spend.

Mageblood kind of just shits all over that, because it's not part of your "build budget", it's just a free expansion to your build budget.

you don't spend anything on Mageblood, in terms of build budget, because equipping it gives you more free build budget than it "costs"

so literally the only builds that don't use it are builds that can't, for some reason

[tranquil umbra]

the humble abyss jewel stacker

[brazen vector]

I doubt its better than the 1.4k dps sword i have on it rn

[pseudo axle]

I want literally infinite power scaling options in my ARPGs so I like items like mageblood

tbh

[proud gorge]

I just think Mageblood would be better for the game if it had a more focused design, imo

like, the thing about extremely generic power is that it has no identity

[steady otter]

Nah, I think that flask thing from mb is pretty good already, no need to change it

[pseudo axle]

power has an identity all its own

[proud gorge]

when you have multiple things that grant extremely generic power, they lose all identity because you just pick whichever one gives the largest budget of extremely generic power, and that's it. No reason to consider any other options, because if all it gives is generic power, you just pick the strongest one.

[pseudo axle]

I can't stand this mentality. It is rooted in the flawed idea that we're all in this game to play neatly inside a little box.

I take that box and break it over my knee.

[proud gorge]

It's the same issue with many of the Phrecia ascendancies, especially last time. Plenty were perfectly fine, but they were extremely generic, so they just saw no play because there was a stronger extremely generic ascendancy

[pseudo axle]

I am currently exalting my feared fights to make them more deadly and rewarding.

because I am pushing the power of my character

[proud gorge]

okay, and I have no problem with things being powerful, in fact I think Mageblood could be more powerful

but also more focused

and less hypergeneric

things like Mageblood are black holes of design space

[pseudo axle]

I also think that it is fundamentally false that mageblood is unfocused and hypergeneric, it enables entire suites of builds that are only possible because of mageblood doing weird/fun stuff

[proud gorge]

because they just consume any design that isn't stronger than it

[pseudo axle]

thats not even true

most people aren't playing mageblood builds anyway

[brazen vector]

Do you vaal for 8mods?

[pseudo axle]

I don't like vaaling stuff

[steady otter]

Mageblood is build extension, it's never a part of a build

[proud gorge]

there's a reason they took out old Adorned, because it was a similar black hole of extremely generic build space, and consumed every single build into being an Adorned build

[pseudo axle]

I mean there are absolutely things that become turbo broken/braindead

[proud gorge]

but people are way too emotionally invested in Mageblood at this point

[steady otter]

As far as I know all builds in this game works well without mageblood

[pseudo axle]

I mean there are definitely builds where you're squeezing in all your resistences/immunities into your belt

[steady otter]

But having mageblood gives you the chance to juice your build even more

[pseudo axle]

and flasks

[proud gorge]

yes but that doesn't make them not function without Mageblood, it just means they're able to cram all their resistances into the extra build space provided by Mageblood

[pseudo axle]

like the int/acc stacker I'm currently doing only really functions because of mageblood + valako jewels allowing me to get myself 90% res capped

[proud gorge]

instead of spending build space elsewhere

[pseudo axle]

yeah but thats good, the amount of defenses we need in this game just to breathe is extremely over the top lmao

[proud gorge]

I've played a build that used entirely zero res uniques before, no Mageblood. And you know what it used to cap res? Purity of Elements and triple res Grand Spectrum

[steady otter]

I remember someone did int stacker without mageblood and it's still fine but I forgot who he was

[proud gorge]

plus a couple of res rare jewels

this was before Mageblood existed anyways

point being, Mageblood doesn't make any builds work, because nothing about Mageblood actually gives any unique abilities, or build enabling stats. Literally all it does is let you spend less build budget elsewhere

without it, the build would just have to spend more budget somewhere else, and be weaker

[pseudo axle]

brother the saving on jewel spots is indeed build enabling

[proud gorge]

and, again, I don't even thing Mageblood should be weaker, I just think it should be less generic

[pseudo axle]

we should have gotten a foulborn mageblood that worked on unique flasks

[proud gorge]

because right now it's so generic that it's on every single build that can fit it

[tranquil umbra]

nah

that would be omega stupid

[steady otter]

It should be like that

[pseudo axle]

not 4 uniques

only like, 1

[proud gorge]

that would be very dumb yeah

[tranquil umbra]

still that's stupid

[steady otter]

Otherwise it will be unfair if some builds cant run it

[pseudo axle]

thats weird logic

some builds will always be better than others

[worldly bridge]

The problem with making something more niche is that you inevitably pigeon hole it into a single playstyle and it becomes 0.1 play rate.

[steady otter]

Ngl I dont get it either, mb should be usable on all builds, it's just some perform better than the rest

[worldly bridge]

When you were originally trying to solve the opportunity cost of not using the generically powerful item

[proud gorge]

Lich, the entire point I'm making here is that Mageblood eats up so much design space that no alternatives can exist. If Mageblood were more focused, then we could have multiple unique chase belts that benefit different builds to different degrees, depending on what you want to equip, and would also allow for greater use of the many other powerful unique belts

[pseudo axle]

we do have multiple chase belts imo

headhunter is still a chase belt

[proud gorge]

yeah and how much does Headhunter cost

[pseudo axle]

less than mageblood for various reasons

[proud gorge]

how many people have Headhunter equipped

[pseudo axle]

which is fine!

[proud gorge]

this is literally the entire point I'm making

[pseudo axle]

something is always meta

[worldly bridge]

The difference here is we dont think its a problem and you do

I think thats all

Lol

[proud gorge]

Mageblood's power is too all-consuming, so any "chase" belts that aren't Mageblood just get left in the trash

[steady otter]

You're clearly going towards the overcomplicating the belt options

[proud gorge]

that's what I mean by it being a design space black hole

[tranquil umbra]

replica rumi's concoction is omega stupid for this foulborn mageblood idea

[pseudo axle]

thats is verifiably not true

again

[pseudo axle]

okay so you need action speed immunity at minimum for this, even then, you get a lot of spell/block cap, sure.

[steady otter]

Having idea is great but this seems weird and overcomplicated just for an end-game belt is insane

[proud gorge]

the fact that Headhunter all but overnight went from being the chase 140 ex item that people swore they couldn't live without to being trash tier 12 div item that you only wear until you can afford a Mageblood is the issue

[worldly bridge]

Counter argument. The build im playing, kinetic fusillade oshabi, has a version that wears a belt to convert evasion to ward and uses Olroth to chance to recover ward on hit. This means i cannot use MB for this incredibly powerful defensive layer. Its up to me to decide if losing MB (and in turn evasion stacking for damage) is worth it to me, to gain the ward recovery

[pseudo axle]

"12 div"

"trash tier"

brother

[worldly bridge]

I have desire to play the ward version no MB

There are benefits to both

And downsides

[pseudo axle]

12 div is not trash tier

[steady otter]

You are really saying hh is trash?

[proud gorge]

yes? It's a T0 unique, that's ridiculously low for a T0 that any build could equip and that used to revolve the entire game around it

[steady otter]

Omg the audacity

[pseudo axle]

people have been crying out for cheap headhunter for years

its here

and its not because headhunter got worse

praise mageblood

[steady otter]

You know how many people love hh being cheap?

[worldly bridge]

Meeeee

[pseudo axle]

meeee

[steady otter]

So am I

Just bc it's cheap, doesn't mean it's trash tier

[proud gorge]

it's because Headhunter used to be the endgame all-consuming "put on any build to make it better" item, and then the moment Mageblood comes out instantly it becomes the new hotness and completely and utterly displaces Headhunter's spot

[steady otter]

Please do not gaslight new players so they will think hh = trash

[worldly bridge]

Also without generic power, everything gets pigeon holed into a few archetypes that can work. I said this earlier

[pseudo axle]

that change was also roughly concurrent with changes to how headhunter interacted with rares and auras/aura stacking

[worldly bridge]

People said MB was trash tier when it released btw

[pseudo axle]

if I am not mistaken

[worldly bridge]

They didnt see the power

[proud gorge]

wow so you're saying generic power is highly unstable and the moment a stronger form of generic power comes out instantly the previous one becomes dropped entirely by the entire playerbase that was once loyal to Headhunter? Wow who knew

[worldly bridge]

No?

[pseudo axle]

this is genuinely a scrub mentality

[proud gorge]

no I'm saying that

[worldly bridge]

Did i say that? Please read EXACTLY what i said

[pseudo axle]

I've run into this so many times before in so many different places

[steady otter]

+1

[worldly bridge]

Oh ok sorey

[worldly bridge]

Please
Please refer to this

[pseudo axle]

power is not a zero sum game

[worldly bridge]

Generic power enables much more than niche power

[pseudo axle]

headhunter is no longer king, sure, but that is fine and good

[proud gorge]

wow, instant attack on character for no reason, fuck off

"oh you disagree with me you must be a scrub"

[pseudo axle]

it wasn't an 'instant attack' it was an observation after nearly 20 minutes of you digging in your heels when 4 other people are trying to explain something you might not be seeing

[worldly bridge]

You are the one escalating tbf, we’re not trying to be mean

[pseudo axle]

you moron

THAT ^ is an attack

and a mild one at that

[steady otter]

Not really, your idea sounds weird and we all agree that it doesn't make sense

[proud gorge]

I care about build design, and design space, which apparently you don't give a shit about

[steady otter]

Especially for the current state of the game

[proud gorge]

if that's the case, then sure

but like, don't pretend like this is some "oh you're wrong because you're bad at the game" ass bullshit

[pseudo axle]

I've actually done design work for games that was valued and appreciated deeply,

[worldly bridge]

I havent seen you make an actual rebuttal to any of our points yet

You have been repeating the same thinf

“It just undermines everything else”

[onyx adder]

On a fundamental level is there anything worse than wannabe game designers in #1┃general

[proud gorge]

Literally the only counterargument I've seen is "actually I think extremely generic all-consuming power is good actually"

[onyx adder]

Someone talk about less idiot topics

[worldly bridge]

I literally gave you one

[proud gorge]

"it's good when every single build uses the same item actually"

[worldly bridge]

That wasnt this

I didnt say that

[onyx adder]

Such as how void sphere of rending doubles your single target damage on poison bv

[worldly bridge]

Start here

Then we xan continue the conversation

[pseudo axle]

THEY LITERALLY DONT

[onyx adder]

Or how ggg cant make polytheist playable

[worldly bridge]

Using actual ideas not uncontrolled passion

[pseudo axle]

you are LITERALLY lying

[pseudo axle]

this does remain funny to me

[proud gorge]

Mika, I did read that, that's what I'm responding to

[worldly bridge]

Ok so, respond to what i said and don’t change the words around

[proud gorge]

"headhunter is good because otherwise everyone is pidgeonholed into the same builds" okay what about the build variety before mageblood existed then?

[worldly bridge]

I didnt say all builds should use the same items

[onyx adder]

Yea better than arguing with yewchung's 500th cooked take in a row

Better to not engage imo

[proud gorge]

I'm sure before Mageblood existed every single build was the same

and the coming of Mageblood instantly unlocked the other 9/10ths of the builds in the game

[worldly bridge]

You are just like, missing the point and being kinda disingenuous atp

Im gonna disengage with you

[pseudo axle]

you got like 5 different people absolutely clowning on you right now

lmao

at this point social awareness should be knocking on the door

[steady otter]

I think he mistaken the word ''can'' with ''should''

[proud gorge]

the argument that "mageblood is good because it gives generic power to weaker build concepts" is based entirely on the assumption that if Mageblood were weakened or more focused that there'd be nothing else that exists?

[pseudo axle]

and yes I think 20 minutes of good faith engagement that went nowhere deserves some ribbing afterwords

[zinc stump]

Dont disengage the ragebaiter its fun to read while lurking

[limpid prairie]

can you transfigure a corrupted jewel?

[proud gorge]

like, this is an argument based entirely on an overwhelming dependence on Mageblood

and I think that dependence is, uh, really bad actually

[pseudo axle]

WHAT DEPENDENCE

[worldly bridge]

No, i believe if mageblood were more focused that we would lose generic power, and that builds would be more forced into using the same items

[pseudo axle]

MOST PEOPLE CANT AFFORD ONE

[onyx adder]

If u mean a corrupted skill gem then yea u can

[pseudo axle]

there literally can't be a dependence on an item that only the top elite class of player can afford

the game would not function in that case

[worldly bridge]

NOT USING generic power is what we call an opportunity cost

You need to find a way to make up for that

Thats how MB works

[pseudo axle]

economics classes should be mandatory

thats my takeaway from this whole conversation

[proud gorge]

the argument I'm getting is "mageblood is good because it makes weaker builds able to survive" which is super disingenuous because builds clearly can function without Mageblood, it's just generic build budget into every build that can fit it

[worldly bridge]

Powerful builds work without the belt perfectly fine and not everyone wants to use one anyway

[onyx adder]

I should mention this needs a special offering u cant do it in the normal labs

Which one lets u do that again

[worldly bridge]

Yes weaker builds are able to be more powerful because this generic power exists

[onyx adder]

Is it dedication

[pseudo axle]

mageblood isn't good because it enables weaker builds to survive, it allows you to compact key resistances into a low opportunity cost package.

[worldly bridge]

And making MB a more focused item would only server to nerf the bad builds

[proud gorge]

no, every build is able to become the same amount more powerful because mageblood exists

[pseudo axle]

which enables you to use item slots in ways you COULD NOT DO BEFORE without sacrificing builds

this is not true

literally not true

some builds use mageblood better than others

[sleek barn]

oh boy argument in general again

I shall leave a skeleton

https://tenor.com/view/pathofexile-path-of-exile-path-of-exile-gif-20102889

[worldly bridge]

Lovely

[pseudo axle]

that rattled my bones

[proud gorge]

like, I understand that this argument comes from a fundamental disagreement on base values, where I believe that having incredibly generic power that fits into basically every build is bad because it's highly reductive to buildcrafting because basically any build that can just slaps Mageblood into the build for free power. And you disagree that that's an issue.

[shy furnace]

i'm so po

[pseudo axle]

like my int/acc stacker uses mageblood to be able to get int/attributes on more gear slots by giving up res suffixes on most of my non-flask gear, no other item in the game can let me do this, in this specific configuration

[proud gorge]

Yes, and that's fundamentally my issue with it

that no other item in the game can exist alongside Mageblood, because no other item does what it does, or even close

[pseudo axle]

mageblood is 137 divine orbs

for a proper 4-flask one

[onyx adder]

Man they cheap this league i should play trade more

[proud gorge]

Okay? And that if anything makes the issue worse because it means that streamers and pros can slap Mageblood into a build to fix its issues, but newer players following them can't

[onyx adder]

I dont have a podcast good enough to put up with farming apothecaries for a week

Y'all got recommendations

[steady otter]

Wth man, streamers and pros always have build setup before mageblood

Just look at Pohx

[proud gorge]

I mean, depends on if it's their first build of the league or not

[pseudo axle]

yeah literally every responsible person I've seen provides the mageblood and non-mageblood versions

[proud gorge]

and also how much they care about doing leaguestart style builds

[pseudo axle]

and there are some builds that don't have non-mageblood versions because they don't function without mageblood

well we can't police content creators for being shitty

thats not mageblood's fault

[tranquil umbra]

have you considered that this is because streamers play the game for what is considered an unhealthy amount for every other person

[proud gorge]

okay that's only a very minor side point though

[pseudo axle]

theres also that yeah

you were the one who brought it up

I was only addressing a point that you yourself decided was worthy of discussion

[proud gorge]

well no, I was just saying that the fact that it's ridiculously generically good but also kind of expensive (but not that expensive that it's inaccessible) means that it has other issues

[pseudo axle]

wait, why am I wasting time when I could be farming ubers

[proud gorge]

but that's besides the main point

[worldly bridge]

Is the problem actually with the raw power of mb, or a projection of your inability to own one

[steady otter]

It is a t0, it should be expensive

[pseudo axle]

the true enemy in path of exile is the playerbase

[proud gorge]

again, see Headhunter

I have a Mageblood?

it's really not that hard to get, especially in modern leagues

[tranquil umbra]

what yewchung is saying is remove res flasks and mageblood becomes ok

[proud gorge]

you can farm so much shit so fast these days

I play hyper inefficiently and even I can farm out a mageblood in like a week

while buying a bunch of other shit

[pseudo axle]

my 12 year old cousin made claims of a similar magnitude just the other day

[proud gorge]

I mean I can screenshot my mageblood if you insist lmao

[worldly bridge]

I take like a week and a half to do my two stones

And i have never once been able to farm mb

[pseudo axle]

I don't doubt you have a mageblood

I don't particularly care either

[tranquil umbra]

your raw playtime matters a lot more than the way you farm

[proud gorge]

I mean, yeah, definitely

[pseudo axle]

I just thought it funny you felt the need to defend yourself lol

[shy furnace]

i'm too po

[proud gorge]

regardless, the price is honestly barely relevant to my point

[worldly bridge]

Just to get baxk on track

[proud gorge]

I'm responding to this statement from Mika

which is both elitist and also shitty

[worldly bridge]

Youre saying, that mageblood opens up so many gear slots that nothing else is every worth using

[pseudo axle]

the price is entirely relevant, mageblood is too scarce to cover even 1/1000th of the populace of the playerbase

[worldly bridge]

Is that the idea or no?

[pseudo axle]

it might as well not exist for the majority of players

meanwhile headhunter and variants do, and are good

even foulborn headhunter is like, REALLY good!

[shy furnace]

i don't have a mb

[pseudo axle]

no one cares, desire is the root of suffering, your welcome

[thorny patrol]

is MoM bugged? i stg its not functioning as it should be

[steady otter]

Thank god Johnathan and Mark don't have this kinda of mindset

[shy furnace]

i have 3 mirrors tho

[proud gorge]

my main point is just that I find Mageblood's extremely generic power to be overwhelming to basic build creation, and in a game like PoE where buildcrafting is such a huge component of the game, I find that to be boring and also extremely limiting, both to creating a build and also to design space for potential unique items

[worldly bridge]

Ok why is it limiting

Its ok to find it boring thats an opinion of taste

[pseudo axle]

give me warriorbone next and archerskin, ggg

to compliment mageblood

[tranquil umbra]

he's trying to say all the mirror tier builds use mageblood

[worldly bridge]

Im gonna wait on their response

Ty though

[shy furnace]

nah, not all builds use MB lol

[proud gorge]

it's limiting to buildcraft because unless the build requires a specific unique belt or specific unique flask, there's no decision making with regards to any of the other unique belts, it's always just Mageblood. There's loads of other interesting unique belts in the game, but because they're not absolutely required but also aren't Mageblood, they just don't fit in any builds.

[onyx adder]

Anyway complaining about mageblood providing too much build power and crowding out other items is aiming at the wrong target when unique jewels are way more problematic for the cost

[worldly bridge]

That makes no sense?

[onyx adder]

I fuckin hate unique jewel meta

Who's with me

[proud gorge]

and, for the same reason, Mageblood also crowds out the design space of unique belts

[worldly bridge]

If mageblood was more focused how does it solve the problem

[tranquil umbra]

someone couldn't get their desired timeless jewel in phrecia I can tell /s

[onyx adder]

Kek

[shy furnace]

you guys play longer than lvl 90?

[worldly bridge]

If a build requires a uniqur to function then of course it cant use mb

[proud gorge]

because any concepts for a unique belt design need to be either so build-defining as to be required for the build, or just fail in the face of Mageblood

[onyx adder]

I sure didnt this time round

[shy furnace]

i quit mid map soon as i hit 90

[onyx adder]

GGG didnt cook hard enough with the phrecia changes

[worldly bridge]

And if it DOESNT NEED MB then it can use the ultra rare drop to get more powerful

[steady otter]

I dont even play this Phrecia, I need to rest for 3.28

[worldly bridge]

Im just like

I dont see the problem?

[shy furnace]

why not? phrecis is just 2-3 days of practice

[worldly bridge]

Rarity of mb is important and so is cost

[shy furnace]

and 3.28 is like am onth away

[worldly bridge]

Most people will only ever use a rare belt

[steady otter]

Nah, burned out, I play poe 2 also

[worldly bridge]

Not a mb

[shy furnace]

should have quit poe2 by now, practice phrecia

[worldly bridge]

The fact that it’s expensive gates it to players that actually put time in

[onyx adder]

Im keen for 3.28

[shy furnace]

just beg for a few chaos and buy starting gear and fly

[worldly bridge]

And you deserve to be rewarded

[onyx adder]

This phrecia was not rly it

[steady otter]

Ngl there's no problem with mb and its current state, it's just he doesn't like it

[shy furnace]

i just used it to get free mtx and practice hah

abuse the tree, have some fun, the gauntlet style stuff is funny

maven assisting hillock when u start etcc

[tranquil umbra]

I got to play flicker properly in phrecia so I'm happy with it

[shy furnace]

then u kill brutus, and hteres an uber brutus right after lol

[shrewd fiber]

What content is flicker strike particularly good / effective at

[dry tree]

Dying

[tranquil umbra]

anything with large pack size that isn't overly difficult

(don't do legion with it)

[onyx adder]

Its excellent at triggering epilepsy attacks

If that helps

[worldly bridge]

I guess expedition

[shrewd fiber]

😭

[proud gorge]

my point is that if Mageblood were more focused, then it'd leave room for other powerful unique belts outside of Mageblood to exist and also occupy the design space. Take, for example, Bloodline ascendancies. Currently, most Bloodline ascendancies are highly focused, and the ones that do give generic power typically have build restrictions, like no gems in your gloves/boots, or no flasks. That means that, for the most part, choosing to spend your ascendancy budget on a bloodline ascendancy is a deliberate choice you're making, to spec your build into them, and accept the strengths and restrictions that come with it, the cost in your main ascendancy, etc. But if there were some bloodline ascendancy that just gave generic power with no restrictions or downsides, something like "your auras are 50% more powerful" or something, pretty much every build would take it, unless they absolutely needed something else, and as a result all the other bloodlines that might still be good but not required would be ignored. Even a build that might be explicitly designed to take one bloodline would find that the generic power one gives them more power in their build anyways, because turns out generic power is, above all, extremely generic.

[shy furnace]

i mean, if ur the type of player that needs a week to get to 90 maybe dont try

[tranquil umbra]

juiced expedition in phrecia will fucking obliterate you

[shrewd fiber]

One can only die so many times

[shy furnace]

it's not a normal poe 1 league, its more interesting for sure

i was doing blight, with towers that cost 0 to build

[tranquil umbra]

I haven't died to a map yet on flicker

not even the hedgehogs or goats

[shy furnace]

just make everyting t4 right off hte bat

[shrewd fiber]

Thats wild

Pob?

Im trying dex stacking rn

[tranquil umbra]

that's also what I have pretty much

[hard cliff]

good points

I dunno why it made everyone so mad

[tranquil umbra]

ok actually I did die early on before I got my build actually working

[shy furnace]

mageblood just helps u to move fast and have high resists

[tranquil umbra]

but now I can kill everything before they kill me

[worldly bridge]

Ok. Yes generic power is generic. If i am playing a build that does not require specific mechanics, why shouldnt i go for whatever is the most generically powerful?

[steady otter]

You should scroll up

[worldly bridge]

If my build ISNT abusing a mechanic

Why shouldn’t i want raw power

[shy furnace]

mb gives you defense. if you want offernse there are better belts

[proud gorge]

In the same way, there's plenty of interesting unique belts that are more focused in design, like Perseverance for melee armour/es builds, Binds of Bloody Vengeance, Doryani's Invitation, good old Bear's Girdle, etc, that are clearly designed for certain builds, but those builds simply don't take them

because even if you want offense, by bundling all your res and defenses into Mageblood, you end up with more damage anyways by being able to invest the rest of your build into offense

[worldly bridge]

They dont take them because the person building doesnt require them for specific reasons

[sage falcon]

mb is overrepresented because the default mod pool for rare belts is so bad

[shy furnace]

like necros should be using darkness enthrone

i used HH on my penis brand

[tranquil umbra]

I was looking at craft of exile to block mods for the tree and I was surprised at how shit it was

[worldly bridge]

If a build required perseverance and mb would brick the build, then it suddenly becomes fine for mb to exist

Thats what im getting

[hard cliff]

No

[whole bluff]

flasks are just horrible imo

[shy furnace]

flasks are automated

[onyx adder]

Probably true for every unique belt ngl

Corrupted essence belt mods needs a buff theyre all fucking horrid

[steady otter]

Okay then you are irrelevant

[shy furnace]

plus too many good unique flasks, not everyone needs a 4 mod mb

[sage falcon]

problem is i guess they don't really have any identity in what the modpools are even supposed to have

[tranquil umbra]

the only reason I'm using a rare belt rn instead of a random-ass unique is because I need resistances

[shy furnace]

can buy a cheap ass 2 mod one

and run 3 uniques

[proud gorge]

builds that want defense want Mageblood because it gives more defense than any other build. Builds that want offense also want Mageblood because by offloading all your defenses to Mageblood you can build way more offense elsewhere.

Like, that's entirely my problem. Mageblood isn't actually a part of any build, it's functionally just extra build budget. No build goes "hmm, you know what, Mageblood would synergize well with this build actually", because it doesn't "synergize" with any build, because it's literally just generic power and nothing else

[sage falcon]

besides being piles of good stats, like rings and ammys often are, all belts have as an identity are random flask mods nobody cares about

[sage falcon]

well it was part of builds (in the enabling sense) when crafts like red. mana cost existed

[proud gorge]

yeah

[worldly bridge]

Do all items NEED to synergize

[hard cliff]

Then we have something in common

[pseudo axle]

I mean a lot of this ties into the "uniques are often horrid at baseline" problem

[worldly bridge]

Does everything need to have a niche interaction

[sage falcon]

they have a fair point that it's too generic

[pseudo axle]

let wine of the prophet work with mother's embrace, you cowards

[sage falcon]

yes and yes, although mb already does have such

[pseudo axle]

god I want mother's embrace to be good SO BAD

[hard cliff]

zombies don't like wine

[pseudo axle]

my swords do

[worldly bridge]

I mean in the “this mechanic has a unique interaction” kind of synergy

[hard cliff]

I like white wine

[proud gorge]

not every item needs to synergize, but if a non-synergistic item is also on every single build that can fit it, then that's probably an indication that it's too strong, especially when it's even displacing the intended synergistic items

[tranquil umbra]

if you want niche interactions for mageblood they should make it work with unique flasks instead of regular ones

[whole bluff]

wine dipped sword

[worldly bridge]

“That can fit it”

Thats my
Provlem

If it can fit it in

[whole bluff]

youre gonna make the target drunk

[worldly bridge]

Thats fine?????

[hard cliff]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrage

[worldly bridge]

You just slap whatever you can afford into that slot

[hard cliff]

wine blade

[whole bluff]

where is my potion I throw on my weapon

[sage falcon]

life & res -> hh/mb is a very boring upgrade path

[whole bluff]

I guess tahts a tincture

[hard cliff]

tincture

nobody likes tinctures

I feel like

[thick goblet]

oh that's how you spell that?

[onyx adder]

Thats true but mb isnt the problem there i would suggest

[proud gorge]

again, the point is that I think we shouldn't live in a reality where every build is either "this build absolutely requires a specific unique belt to work and thus feels bad about not being able to equip Mageblood for free build budget" or "just equip Mageblood"

[whole bluff]

metronome gameplay is so exciting

[onyx adder]

Its there being nothing between 50c life res belt and 150d mb

Thats the boring bit

[worldly bridge]

But mot every build is “just equip mb”

Not everyone has a mb in the first place

[whole bluff]

what am I gonna do this bunch of 5 seconds, oh, I know!

[sage falcon]

95% of builds are equip mb or hh let's be real

[dry tree]

Actually pretty much every build would rather equip mb than anything else, that in and of itself is one of the problems

[worldly bridge]

Yes

[shy furnace]

cant just offload all defense to mb lol, isnt all that offense u can get on gear that wearing mb will let u skimp

mb is just more resisst and faster running

[tranquil umbra]

contrary to popular belief mageblood does not in fact give you 135% resistances

[proud gorge]

I just don't think a single item should be the inevitable endgame for 95% of builds

[shy furnace]

you dont need mb to cap res

just need better gear

[hard cliff]

Pokemon

[onyx adder]

GGG need another balance pass on belt prefixes theyre balanced like ring prefixes other than life

[tranquil umbra]

my build is doing some real bullshit to cap res (except chaos because fuck that)

[onyx adder]

So everyone gets life on rare belt because its literally the only appropriately statted mod

[sage falcon]

balance pass on literally every rare modpool would be super cool

[onyx adder]

Yea sure but they dont have that many interns

[shy furnace]

ci builds dont get life on belt ahha

[whole bluff]

belt, flasks, and tinctures, are all very poorly set up imo

[onyx adder]

They just have terrible belt into mageblood

Some 50es dog shit

[tranquil umbra]

darkness enthroned my goat

[shy furnace]

you can get crazy high es belts

[proud gorge]

correct, it only gives 132%

[whole bluff]

this is actually so fitting for this conversation

[onyx adder]

Theres not a ton of point crafting a good crystal tho

[proud gorge]

with just a single Bismuth flask

[whole bluff]

there's not really any reason to exalt this, if it was good enough to want a third prefix

[pseudo axle]

man, uber elder drop pool feels absolutely rancid

[proud gorge]

Mageblood could give more res with res quality

but realistically most builds go Attribute quality instead

[tranquil umbra]

watcher's eye or bust

[proper veldt]

Hi everyone, do you think there’s something worth doing with this base, or should I just forget about it?

[dry tree]

It's almost like belt bases suck woahhhh

[onyx adder]

Eh stygian is fine

[pseudo axle]

terrible

[onyx adder]

If u could put mods on it, at least

[pseudo axle]

@proper veldt

[shy furnace]

thats not a bismuth flask, thats using a ruby and cold flask

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Mageblood, with a single Bismuth flask with extra resistances on it, gives 132% Fire, 132% Cold, and 107% Lightning res

[whole bluff]

give belts flask charges per second

and then flat and inc

like a phys sword

[shy furnace]

oh nm its the res on the belt itself

but, u dont need all those resist usualy

[onyx adder]

Im in for life flask charges per sec on belt

[shy furnace]

they have belts with charge per sec

[onyx adder]

All flask is probably op unless its like 1 per 3 sec as an 86 mod or something

Since its competing with tides then

[proud gorge]

my point is that while the statement that Mageblood doesn't solve res by itself is, technically, correct, it mostly solves res by itself

you need, like, maybe two res mods, one if you pick up some all res on tree

and that's for a single flask

[whole bluff]

It would honestly be giga. It would even make some bosses where you're half geared enough make sense to use anything but 3 choices of instilled

[proud gorge]

if you were running Ruby + Sapphire + Topaz instead, it'd not just solve res by itself, but also max res by itself

though I believe most such builds these days instead run Bismuth + Topaz and that one jewel whose name I'm forgetting right now

the one that caps all res by your highest max res

[modern zinc]

do people still run unid rare maps as a way to assert dominance?

[onyx adder]

Honestly for first clears of pinnacles especially in hc i go in with 5 life flasks

And ryslatha pantheon

Utility flasks suck when ur boss fight takes 8 minutes

[proud gorge]

I mean, it's a bit of free quant, but in general a well-rolled T16.5/T17 more than beats the moderate quant bonus for running an unID'd rare.

[tranquil umbra]

melding of flesh lowers your ele res by 70%

[proud gorge]

so the only place unID'd maps might be run is alch-and-go T16 mapping

[pseudo axle]

whats the best bossing melee skill? some version of vaal reave?

[gritty garnet]

yeah which mageblood solves

[pseudo axle]

specifically for uh, int/acc stacker

[whole bluff]

I do it a lot too

[pseudo axle]

I'm doing enough bossing now I should invest in an actual boss skill instead of my vaal lighting strike of arcing xd

[limpid prairie]

Earthquake of amplification

Clearly like

[onyx adder]

Are u dw or shield

[pseudo axle]

there's a shield variant?

I'm dual wield

[proud gorge]

Mamba

[tranquil umbra]

great joke

[proud gorge]

lmao

[onyx adder]

If ur a dw stacker the highest damage single target skill is hitbased mamba p sure

[tranquil umbra]

mamba and bossing imagine that

[proud gorge]

Mamba is pretty funny hit-based with dual-wield yeah

[blissful zodiac]

dual strike of ambidexterity at home:

[proud gorge]

imagine ignoring the main point of the poison skill

to just hit harder with it

[blissful zodiac]

some how does fuckton of damage

[onyx adder]

Ambi is competitive

[pseudo axle]

mamba?

[onyx adder]

Mamba attacks faster tho so its more comfortable

[tranquil umbra]

viper strike of the mamba

[pseudo axle]

I'm old and I've been through like 3 different sets of skills

ok

[onyx adder]

Ambi sucks anyway when both ur weapons are howa

[pseudo axle]

what makes mamba so good?

the fact that it double-hits at once?

[proud gorge]

it just hits with both weapons every time

[pseudo axle]

is there a vaal viper strike of the mamba

[tranquil umbra]

no

[pseudo axle]

vaal skills feel good

rip

[onyx adder]

Its just got a shit ton of DE

Not complicated

[pseudo axle]

well we'll give it a try

[proud gorge]

honestly Viper Strike deserves to have a Vaal version, as the oldest poison skill in the game

literally the origin of poison as a mechanic in PoE

[blissful zodiac]

poison viper strike mamba

nah

we just go hit based lmao

[proud gorge]

make Vaal Viper Strike just inflict maximum stacks of poison in a single big strike

[pseudo axle]

I dont even need a quality version lmao

quality is only for the posion damage

hilarious

[blissful zodiac]

elemental viper strike here i come

[sour wadi]

[proud gorge]

or, no, Vaal skills usually do big AoE things

[tranquil umbra]

mamba with vaal breach is the goat tbh

[blissful zodiac]

finna be doing fire cold lighting and chaos

[proud gorge]

though I guess Vaal Double Strike is just more damage lmao

[blissful zodiac]

crazy work

[onyx adder]

It'll get nerfed next league since it invalidates a bunch of skills that are supposed to do what it's currently doing

[tranquil umbra]

but that shit is gone in keepers

[onyx adder]

Might as well get in now

[blissful zodiac]

@proud gorge HAND ME my paradoxica my boy

[gritty garnet]

wish granted you get a shitty replica paradoxica

[proud gorge]

I mean, like, I imagine Vaal Viper Strike hitting once, for slightly higher DE than a normal attack but still pretty normal DE, but it just inflicts like 30 poisons

[blissful zodiac]

2 divines

and its dogshit

[proud gorge]

or, uh, I guess attempts to inflict poisons like 30 times

so it actually does check your poison chance

[onyx adder]

No attack speed vendor

[split pagoda]

Tristacker aristocrat is a pretty insane build

With mamba

[proud gorge]

I love Vaal Double Strike tbh

[blissful zodiac]

I wanna roll into aristocrat ngl

[proud gorge]

very funny skill

[blissful zodiac]

DOUBLE STRIKE

[split pagoda]

I made it on hc and killed uber shaper/UUE with pretty mid gear

[hard cliff]

Shieeeet hold up

Phys to lightnign their ain't NO WAY YOU CAN DO THAT @blissful zodiac

THEIR AIN'T NO WAY

[split pagoda]

Felt pretty comfy even with random mods and enrage

[hard cliff]

Someone tricked me into crafting my own cluster jewel now I am out of money every single time i make a chaos and have to reroll it

9 chaos in no mod

[proud gorge]

where's that one gif from JJK of Yuji and Nanami beating the shit out of Mahito from two sides

that's what Vaal Double Strike is like

[pseudo axle]

I thought y'all were clowning on me with regard to this damage

but damn

[proud gorge]

me and the boys beating the shit out of the boss

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bizarre-anime-meme-he-made-a-statement-so-2fpMwTcCqMV6YVQnZj

[proud gorge]

but the boys is just me

[hard cliff]

that's awesome

I'm tired of being broke man

[worldly bridge]

I remember my first every character, duelist in highgate with basic ass double strike

[blissful zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-gang-praised-gif-14847923944265501688

[pseudo axle]

I wonder if I can kill uber sirus with this skill

[worldly bridge]

My friend was tryinf his best tohelp me and it was rough

[proud gorge]

yeah, or the Jojo gif, though I like the Mahito gif because it better communicates the sheer power of two guys jumping someone

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/statement-he-made-a-so-trash-good-SQoGOitWQG3lV5yM6J

[proud gorge]

I've got a lot of problems with JJK, but I do appreciate it giving us the best depiction of why it's nearly impossible for even a skilled fighter to beat two opponents at once

[pseudo axle]

time to 6 portal uber sirus

[hard cliff]

I've never seen it

[blissful zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[hard cliff]

the fanbase is really annoying

[proud gorge]

yeah it is

[tranquil umbra]

lobotomy kaisen

[proud gorge]

my biggest gripe with modern Shounen fans is that, after furiously defending their series for being "hype" and "aura", ignoring all of its many flaws, they'll then turn around and hate on the ending for all the wrong reasons

[bold scarab]

Lol

[bold scarab]

The endings are always so rushed or cliffhangery

And that even goes for the good ones

[tranquil umbra]

listen man AoT was genuinely insane near the ending but then the ending made me want to kill myself

[proud gorge]

MHA fans trying to come up with a valid criticism of the ending, after the series betrays all of its own messages and abandons all of its supposed ideals: "This ending is bad because Izuku doesn't get together with Ochako"

[worldly bridge]

I have friends who say you can just ignore it but the sexond i watch an episode my entire yt feed is full of power scalers

[pseudo axle]

YEAH, MAVEN'D UBER SIRUS DEAD

[proud gorge]

congrats

[onyx adder]

Hows shield throw

Is it fun

[pseudo axle]

I never thought I'd do it tbh, I -hate- Sirus

[worldly bridge]

Xdd

Mamba abuse?

[pseudo axle]

yeah

I honestly need a corrupted blood immunity source though

[proud gorge]

like, MHA has so many valid criticisms, about how it constantly sets up interesting concepts and then immediately abandons them, sometimes within the same chapter, about how it pretends to have ideals while textually never living up to them, about how it's the most cop-brained piece of media ever to the point where the big driving conflict in the Summer Camp arc is the kids not being legally cleared to use their superpowers to defend themselves against supervillains, etc, etc, etc.

But instead all the anime fans on Twitter come up with is "this is bad because Izuku becomes a teacher, and I consider teaching to be menial labour and will compare Izuku to a fast food worker"

[pseudo axle]

I only got by deathless on that fight because of an aura my ape spawned with

tbh

[worldly bridge]

https://youtu.be/WWktc6FkwCo?si=Lqb0WflC-RYr9BPQ

Is this bait

[hard cliff]

yeah it's solid

It plays like a close range buzzsaw kind of build that can also go ranged for offscreen/dangerous stuff. Hits like crazy so all your charges and other stuff are always up too.

[proud gorge]

yeah, Sirus Corrupted Blood is a real issue, it's actually the only uber my Keepers build can't facetank because I don't have corrupted blood immunity lmao

[ebon tendon]

do spell builds get mana leech

im like..

not seeing any

[proud gorge]

no

[worldly bridge]

Mana on hit

[proud gorge]

they explicitly don't get any sources of mana leech

[elfin shale]

There is no spell mana leech

[ebon tendon]

jesus

[elfin shale]

And mana on hit is a single unique iirc

[lean urchin]

delve rings?

[ebon tendon]

no wonder people say spells r underpowered

[lean urchin]

elemental% leeches as life

[elfin shale]

Theyre not lol

[potent bramble]

Who says this?? lmao

[elfin shale]

Just self cast is kind of meh

[elfin shale]

Well see that there aint mana

[proud gorge]

if you need mana recovery on spells, your choices are:
Build mana regen (easy enough, but can run into issues with excessive mana values)
Eldritch Battery + ES leech (doable, but requires you to be EB)
Mana on Hit (requires very specifically mana on hit item)

[fickle glen]

You either master the nightmare, or it masters you…
My favorite witch quote.

[proud gorge]

also the third option is Blood Magic yeah

[sleek barn]

many claim the only good spell is pbod

[elfin shale]

BLOOD MAGIC WOOOOOOOOOO

[sleek barn]

and uh

something else

[potent bramble]

Don't forget the worst option, lifetap and life regen 😄

[elfin shale]

Can also do Whispers of Infinity

[hard cliff]

I don't consider brands to be spells

[sleek barn]

I prefer EB + es on hit

[proud gorge]

spells are really good actually, people just tend to get very silly with regards to only considering the top meta skills. The game is honestly in a really good place balance-wise, in terms of spells vs attacks and so on.

[fickle glen]

Hey, can axes stun just as good as hammers?

[gritty garnet]

esgoh is kinda rough there's only like 3 with attacks otherwise you're running spider boots or discipline watcher's

[fallen crest]

Where do i post suggestions to ggg ?

[elfin shale]

Yesnt
Strictly speakong yes, but most mace passives have stun stats

[elfin shale]

Forums

[sleek barn]

well we're talking about spells so yeah just discipline and spider boots

[hard cliff]

Life Stack Rathpith Infernal Mantle Inquistor Firestorm of Pelting

Forbidden build do NOT research

[sleek barn]

there's ES on hit on rings too no?

minimal

[elfin shale]

God bless spider boots

[sleek barn]

yeah I should get em

will help my build

well no actually

just aspect of the spider

[fickle glen]

And another thing… is scion slower with weapons than other classes?

[hard cliff]

Only slower mentally

[copper vale]

Relatable

[fickle glen]

Mentally? I thought she’s the smartest

[tranquil umbra]

they were trying to say you are the one feeling it as the slowest

[hard cliff]

Duelist is confirmed to be the smartest

[fickle glen]

Idk tho, I noticed she’s a lot slower with the hammer than the marauder

[hard cliff]

Ranger dumbest

[copper vale]

Nuh uh it’s templar

They literally sacrifice hairs for ints

[hard cliff]

Tempalr is pretty based I agree

[fickle glen]

In smarts I am sure witch is on top of that ladder

[tranquil umbra]

templar is the dumbest because his brain has the longest distance to the rest of his body

giraffe looking mf

[hard cliff]

We should install a secondary heart into people

[whole bluff]

templar mostly suffers from latency due to the long neck i thought

[hard cliff]

Nice little backup "limp home" mode like in a car

[tranquil umbra]

ok this is more true

[whole bluff]

like 200ms ping from head to arm

[fickle glen]

Thinking of neck names for Templar now

[whole bluff]

I just think we should be able to vaal NPCs

[fickle glen]

Yo yesterday was my first time trying a Vaal skill, I didn’t know they were so cool!

[proud gorge]

I've said it before, we should get a node on the atlas tree that causes all monsters to be corrupted and mirrored

[elfin shale]

Double corrupting Kirac turns him into Zana

[fickle glen]

Am I able to level up Vaal skills tho?

[proud gorge]

Vaal skills tend to be very flashy and cool yeah

[proud gorge]

Vaal skill gems just have a single level, which is the level of both the regular and vaal skill component

[whole bluff]

double corrupting shaper created elder

[limpid prairie]

Is it worth to temple Cassia?

[proud gorge]

the thing you have to understand is that Gems have a level, and gems also have skills

[whole bluff]

and sirus is just himself with an implicit

[fickle glen]

Aren’t they all corrupted?

[proud gorge]

you can level up corrupted gems

[tranquil umbra]

corrupted gems can be leveled

[fickle glen]

Oh nice!

[tranquil umbra]

you can't put quality on them is the issue

but like

that's a problem for later

[proud gorge]

yeah, gems as items are somewhat weird, because we don't often think of them as items, partiaully because they don't have most of the interactions that most other items have

[fickle glen]

Hmm so it’s best to quality them before making them Vaal

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thinking-cat-hmm-hmmm-uUnPYB37kLHvFnH4bi

[fickle glen]

Or does it erase the quality?

[tranquil umbra]

yes

[proud gorge]

but they can be corrupted, which prevents them from being "modified". Levelling up and gaining XP isn't "modifying" the gem, that's just a thing gems do, but there's also very limited ways to modify a gem. Mainly just GCPs for quality, and some Divine Font crafting options

[tranquil umbra]

the problem is that it only has a chance to turn into the vaal gem

it's not guaranteed

[limpid prairie]

It's optimal to level them too and temple it
Gem temples are pretty cheap this league anyways

[fickle glen]

Ahh that makes sense

[whole bluff]

hmm, I should be making temples

[fickle glen]

For you to pray?

[proud gorge]

when you vaal a skill gem, one of several things happens:
Level change (-1 or +1)
Quality change (-3 or +3)
Turns into a Vaal version (if it doesn't have a vaal version, this is nothing)
Nothing

[whole bluff]

to sell to people so they can poof their gear in them

[gritty garnet]

temples are pretty free money idk what people run in terms of idols for alva

[fickle glen]

A gamble…

[worldly bridge]

You cam put an incubator on the npc while krangled

[limpid prairie]

I want to poof my betrayal sting now :D

[whole bluff]

I need some betrayal stings

seems nice with oath of the maji for having giga res anyway

[proud gorge]

it's exactly 1/4 for each of those things to happen, and the +1/-1 is also even odds, so the odds of Vaal version is 1/4, while the odds of +1 level is 1/8

[bleak shore]

Thinking about a second phrecia character to play. Architect+Chaos Bloodline can cast 4 soul Vaal blade vortex's that last longer than Sheppard of souls lockout. Is there any benefit to having a infinite Vaal blade vortex?

[proud gorge]

also, when you use the thing that double-corrupts a gem in the temple, it'll pick two of those results

[worldly bridge]

Double corrupts cant be that profitable rifht

Or gem corrupts

[tranquil umbra]

they can be if you know the market

if you hit like 23 quality vaal reap you are eating good

[fickle glen]

I’ll never understand how people measure odds

[proud gorge]

so with the temple double-corrupt, you could get a level 21 Vaal gem, a 23 quality vaal gem, or a 21/23 gem. But also a 19/23 gem, a 19/17 gem, etc, etc

[whole bluff]

depends on meta and available expensive alt quality gems that scale with all of: lvl, quality, vaal version

if any positive outcome is a win, doryani odds are quite good, and can be profitable at least

[tranquil umbra]

the real gamble is locus anyway

[proud gorge]

seriously? It's 1/4 for each result, and the gem level result has two possible results with even odds, so 1/2 for each of the two. Multiply 1/4 and 1/2 to get 1/8.

[fickle glen]

It just doesn’t make sense to me, all I can think of is 1s and 0s when it comes to odds

[proud gorge]

the temple gem double corrupt is a bit more complicated, but broadly it's just multiplying all the individual odds that have to succeed

if you need to succeed at a 1/4 chance, then a 1/2 chance, that's 1/8 overall

[native abyss]

its time to lock in

[onyx adder]

Cool

[proud gorge]

in the same way if you wanted to know the odds to flip heads on a coin three times in a row, each Heads flip is 1/2

so three heads flips is 1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2

which is 1/(2*2*2), or 1/8

[tranquil umbra]

those are not odds that's a true or false situation

[proud gorge]

okay well technically it's (1*1*1)/(2*2*2)

but that's still 1/8

[fickle glen]

Isn’t that how all odds are in general? Like it either happen or it don’t?

[pseudo axle]

now this is promising

[proper solstice]

reckon this is good enough to link up for ssf?

(lightning and crit are useless for me)

[final owl]

alright, i need an idol strat that is affordable to set up and decently profitable. aand go?

[heady cliff]

22% recomb first try, 31% recomb first try, 11% recomb first try

[umbral crag]

Disgusting

[heady cliff]

lost shipments

[tranquil umbra]

bruh

[hard cliff]

I got an all div card ritual

[tranquil umbra]

ig stable recomb is actually usable for idols

[hard cliff]

Gonna reroll this into a HoM

[heady cliff]

last one was rng recomb

[tranquil umbra]

ic

I'll just do stable recomb anyway I don't require giga cracked idols rn

[final owl]

lost shipments on conq ore chance on everything else and go?

[ocean field]

any gems I can put in my build if I have free slots

[tranquil umbra]

I mean

depends on the build

[ocean field]

fross trickster

[umbral crag]

Portal

[ocean field]

[umbral crag]

Do u have golems? How many linked slots u got?

[tranquil umbra]

oh gems I thought jewels

[ocean field]

yeah got stone golems

[final owl]

there is probably a nice timeless jewel that will give you a boost. the problem there is spending the time to figure out a good one..

[heady cliff]

recomb with rare ore deposits later

one of the conqs

svalinn is still 45d

[ocean field]

so what do I put here

[umbral crag]

You got spare mana for auras?

[ocean field]

Nope

[umbral crag]

It really do be looking like cod portal

[ocean field]

XD

[short prairie]

how do i get tankier

[umbral crag]

Surely you can throw in a lvl 1 precision

[ocean field]

oh wait

thanks bro

I was actually contemplating how to get precision in the build

for the watchers

[final owl]

I need $$ to get tankier. yndas not cheap :I

[umbral crag]

Ikr

Whay build u doing

[ocean field]

didn't realize low level precision hardly has any reservation

[umbral crag]

Yeah

[final owl]

wispshabi KF

[umbral crag]

Must the auras be in your shield because of reservation efficiency synth or influenced shield perhaps or smth?

[umbral crag]

Aye same

[next temple]

filterblade down for anyone else?

[umbral crag]

Im feeling squish af

[heady cliff]

runegraft of the witchmark 31-34 divines

get your quicksilver + silver flask ready and spam those white maps

[short prairie]

When you feel squishy, look at my 5k phys max hit

[umbral crag]

Whats the min tier of maps again?

[final owl]

i am falling over a crazy amount. like i know just phrecia things but also way more of a glass cannon than i usually play. hopefully ward version feels better.. assuming i get there..

[onyx adder]

Some way to get endurance charges would be a good start

[umbral crag]

Tbh same. I wanted to pkay a blaster after a long time aince my first league lol. Worst time to do so

[onyx adder]

Do u also have no fort

[short prairie]

Already have 3

[onyx adder]

U must have no fort then

[short prairie]

No fort cuz color

[onyx adder]

With those stats

[final owl]

i know the witchmark is spendy, how am i finding it blasting white maps? :I

[onyx adder]

Thats kinda crazy

[umbral crag]

Shipments i think

[heady cliff]

lost shipments

[onyx adder]

Ok so find 5c of chromes and color ur chest lul

[final owl]

oh right. lost shipments is best on low tier maps?

[umbral crag]

Is there a min tier to run that lost shipment strat

U just blast for crops to send shipments right?

[heady cliff]

who cares, full async stashes of t16 is there for you all

[umbral crag]

Kek true

[short prairie]

Corrupted 6 link bronns

[final owl]

well alright then. 4d and a dream

[tranquil umbra]

what's the weapon you are using

paradoxica or smth?

[umbral crag]

@ocean field btw

[short prairie]

Who can afford paradoxica these days? I’m on rebuke of the vaal

[tranquil umbra]

oh you are on that still

[ocean field]

yes

30% res effici

[heady cliff]

5% shipments + rare ores 200c on trade

[tranquil umbra]

I got double HoTaM

[heady cliff]

6% shipments like 15c

[tranquil umbra]

playing dexstack because I can't play dexstack flicker outside of phrecia

[umbral crag]

Icic

[short prairie]

Rebuke of the vaal + hrimsorrow + ice bite is quite big

[final owl]

i can still only fit 2 x conq :I

[short prairie]

For early flickering

[tranquil umbra]

for sure

[heady cliff]

fix that as soon as possible

what do you need for the rest?

[tranquil umbra]

pinnacles

and full atlas

[umbral crag]

So what is needed for the strat? Lost shipments, rare ore. I see conq ore being mentioned, whats that? 😮

[final owl]

60/100/115 most pinnacles for me

[tranquil umbra]

conq ore is meant to be

conq idol ore rarity mod

[umbral crag]

Oh

Ahhaha

[final owl]

you can only get the lost shipments mod on conqs

[umbral crag]

So its just lost shipments and rare ores then gotcha

[tranquil umbra]

I've been doing incursion while completing the atlas since you need just 1 conq to make it work

[ocean field]

does cwdt consider self damage from fross?

[heady cliff]

elder guardian/shaper guardian are free, 100 atlas objectives pretty free too (no unique maps required), that gives 2 conqs

eater/exarch you should have killed quest, thats 3 conqs

maven and shaper would be the last one

[tranquil umbra]

quest eater/exarch are pretty rough tbf

because phrecia is stupid

[final owl]

100/115 gets me one conq corner. the other is maven / elder / 60

[heady cliff]

maven carry 60-80c and you would likely need to buy it

[final owl]

i hate maven fight and i know i'm going to hate it even more in phrecia 2.0..

yeah

[heady cliff]

you dont need 115

[tranquil umbra]

I'm gonna fucking hate maven because it will make me not play flicker

[heady cliff]

t16map/elder guard/shaper guard/100

[short prairie]

My current set up is effectively 83% to avoid attacks and 91% to avoid spells

[heady cliff]

in the top row

[final owl]

true only 100 fair

[tranquil umbra]

are you counting evasion in the spell dodge

[short prairie]

Block

[final owl]

currently 48/115 :I

[tranquil umbra]

oh

[umbral crag]

Thats fair

What level you at?

[final owl]

92

[tranquil umbra]

my build is nowhere near as tanky but it is comical dps

[final owl]

i've just been leaning into the glass canon thing because i can't see any currently affordable way to get tankier m'self

[umbral crag]

Tbh im at the stage where im feeling okayish now, same level as you. Still squish but i take the deaths, i kill most things up till t16 before they really touch me, except some funny shenanigans

[tranquil umbra]

with what, flicker?

[umbral crag]

kf oshabi

[final owl]

oshabi KF

[umbral crag]

Its fun tho

Just hella fking squish

zero defensive layers

[final owl]

yeah i am enjoying the "I am firing my LAZORRRR!!" aspect

[pseudo axle]

yooo, yolo divine on an Apostate I just dropped netted me this:

[tranquil umbra]

my defensive layers with flicker is my dps and prayers

[modern zinc]

there should be a support gem that turns any skill into a channeling skill

[umbral crag]

I have been playing slowly but just got a starter destructive play set up

[pseudo axle]

max res, 2 off max strength

[short prairie]

[umbral crag]

I should try the lost shipment strat

[final owl]

I have (bad) block, capped supress, v.high evasion. so i am fine most of the time, then i suddenly fall over

[fickle glen]

Marauder interaction with maramoa is quite lovely

[umbral crag]

Same then

[short prairie]

Suppress feels so underwhelming nowadays

Better off just click acrobatics

[final owl]

i mean it's not like there are easier defensive layers to grab on that side of the tree :I

[pseudo axle]

do I try and double corrupt this

[umbral crag]

Im at like 7m dps with radiant ground up rn

[tranquil umbra]

iron reflexes

[umbral crag]

So its okay for mapping

[final owl]

haha pretty much same, around 7m fully ramped

[spare ore]

holy fuck this night has been horrible

[short prairie]

True the ranger side is kind of meh for defenses

[umbral crag]

We are eva stacking as oshabi so nah

[tranquil umbra]

you know I never actually clicked iron reflexes in poe1 so when I read the 2nd line my hopes were shattered

it could be good if you got supreme ostentation or 100 billion tattoos (or both)

[short prairie]

[umbral crag]

Whats ur phys max rn btw

[final owl]

pretty bad. a hair under 5k

[short prairie]

[umbral crag]

Oof

[short prairie]

So I have higher phys max hit than you

Shocking

[umbral crag]

Im actually much better, probably why im feeling slightly better rn

Do you have endurance charges?

How is it that low actually ._.

[final owl]

yeah am running aggressive bastion as anoint

[tranquil umbra]

I really should buy garukhan's flight but I'm a lazy bum

[modern zinc]

I'm lowkey surprised there's no fire nova spell?

[umbral crag]

Over hasty demise?

[undone gazelle]

i need to get of doedre tenure and quickly get rage+expo gloves on my kf

[final owl]

man why doesn't the ingame tree highlight nodes based on search better 😐

[umbral crag]

Just get endurance on chest

Idk if your ramp is right without hasty demise actually

Lemme check

[final owl]

I didn't even realise there was a reduced duration anoint! hwoops

i have my attack speed / duration breakpoints sorted

currently. i guess 10% more reduced dura wouldn't hurt

[umbral crag]

Now i wanna see if i remove hasty demine if i am still within the breakpoint

[short prairie]

What’s kf, kinetic fu**?

[final owl]

but i dropped attack speed to get things working properly..

[umbral crag]

Ah haha

Whats ur aps now

[final owl]

with frenzies up just over 7 iirc

[umbral crag]

Wait thats the same as me

[rich widget]

yo what is the best beast specter for damge?

[umbral crag]

I wonder if i can take off hasty demise for smth better now

Interesting

[drowsy eagle]

rhoa

[final owl]

actually 6.45 currently for some reason. why did that change so much. I don't remember. But I got a higher reduced dura timeclasp + warped timepiece with lower attack speed to sort that out

[umbral crag]

Nah without hasty demise im not at breakpoint. How are you hitting breakpoint without hasty and with 7aps

Icic

Lemme try a maxed timeclapsw actually

[short prairie]

Yooo my aps is 7.53

[final owl]

18 on timeclasp and 20 on timepiece

[short prairie]

[final owl]

but i do also only have 6 projectiles currently

[short prairie]

No one’s playing blind prophet these days it looks like

After the nerf

[umbral crag]

Holy

If i have maxed timepiece and timeclasp

I can drop hasty demise entirely and still be within the breakpoints

Very very close tho

[final owl]

neither are wildly expensive. maybe if you wanted high attack speed rolls as well they might get a bit $

[umbral crag]

Maxed timeclasp around 2.5d it seems

Maxed red duration i mean

[final owl]

my life is terrible too. i could probably have 500 more without too much trouble. i kinda just want more ES though :I

yeah thats why i went 18% timeclasp, much cheaper 😛

[umbral crag]

Is it a question or you giving me free stuff 😄

HAHAHAH

[lean urchin]

just click the link

[umbral crag]

Lemme check how low can it go down

[final owl]

what grafts are you KFers running out of curiosity

[umbral crag]

So i dont bust my empty bank

[final owl]

yeah currently idk what to spend on. maybe just saving for yndas so i can go ci / ward. i don't really wanna invest money into un-scuffing this version of the build

[gritty garnet]

I bought a pre-enchanted warped timepiece saved like 80c on oils

[slim island]

fucking hell an item i was eyeing on went from 3d to 20d in under 24 hours

[modern zinc]

oof

[umbral crag]

Yosh

[final owl]

i think we're in the inflation stage of early league / event so not surprising

[gritty garnet]

I'm trying to save up for 2-socket abyss shit but I don't even have the aul bloodline unlocked (or 4th lab lol)

also lightning warp is zoom once you pick up spellslinging

[umbral crag]

Check dm?

[final owl]

but hey, i see a yndas up for 26d instead of the 35+ they were yesterday so..

[umbral crag]

I saw them for 15div a couple of days back