1┃general

[bold scarab]

They are Soo far away from anything relevant to them

[tight iris]

just means u get a good split personality

[bold scarab]

make chaos ascendancy core

[hard oar]

is awakened poe still best ofr price checking?

[bold scarab]

Nah but honestly ... Herald needs to go core cuz rip hoag

Give pathfinder back her virulence passive

[tight iris]

yes

[bold scarab]

Or give it to assassin

I could never see any kind of reason to main HoP but it does fit well into guardians theme

Less so now than it used to since it's alot more elemental now

But it's still all the sentinels and relics and stuff

[devout widget]

can someone help me with my build?

[bold scarab]

But ye would love to play Hoag in the base game without having to break my arm again

[whole bluff]

Ngl, Guardian should have a keystone named "Archangel of Death"

[bold scarab]

What would it do?

Revive passive? Kek

[whole bluff]

xD

No idea

It just seems like all the templars are in truth messed up

[bold scarab]

Blessed rebirth as an ascendancy

[heady cliff]

hah, event is almost out of megabluds

bought the last one uncorrupted at reasonable price, and there are only two more corrupted

[bold scarab]

When an ally dies every other ally gets healed xD

[heady cliff]

then you only have meme listings left

[whole bluff]

Even the PC templar, believes Innocence is the good guy

[heady cliff]

or 2-3 flasks corrupted

[whole bluff]

That would be nice

[bold scarab]

To be fair that's already a mastery I think

[whole bluff]

True

[bold scarab]

Well for minions at least

[past mantle]

No, res are not damage reduction for this.

[whole bluff]

Cast on death summon Beidat

[soft perch]

Dead league within a few days

Thanks ggg

[fickle glen]

Ok ty

[heady cliff]

still best league

[bold scarab]

Make the sentinel of radiance its own separate path ... Make a new path that starts with the 3 relics ... And if you have all 3 relics active something extra happens

[drowsy eagle]

leg ded when fub quit xd

[soft perch]

I stopped playing 2 days in pepelaugh

[past mantle]

However that keystone is not great either because it inverts what armour is good for but doesn't give any significant benefit.

[heady cliff]

i would 40/40 in it and i left keepers at 12/40

[soft perch]

I hate idols with a passion

[whole bluff]

You summon spectral apparitions that deal more dmg per equipped corrupted item

[fickle glen]

I am assuming the tactical play for it is for builds that use little bit of armor, right?

[whole bluff]

And the apparitions look like Beidat

[bold scarab]

Lol

[whole bluff]

xD

I'm inspired by the leaked artwork for poe2

Not that it necessarily involves Beidat, just corruption

[bold scarab]

The guardian trying to be righteous missinterprets right from wrong ... You now have an added life cost to skills but you get an extra buff

[whole bluff]

You now gain 100% more vaal souls

[bold scarab]

Passive Vaal soul Regen

Owo

[heady cliff]

sounds giga broken

[whole bluff]

Passively regen vaal souls per nearby mob

[bold scarab]

Mob power

[heady cliff]

sounds ridicously broken

[bold scarab]

Need like 10 mob power per soul per second

[heady cliff]

why not something reasonable

[bold scarab]

So only relevant on rares/bosses

[whole bluff]

It's mostly just memes

[heady cliff]

"Player has 3 monster modifiers"

like map mods, but on YOU

[whole bluff]

[bold scarab]

We already have behead support for that

[heady cliff]

no, not monster mods

[bold scarab]

So like the ritualist passive from poe2?

[heady cliff]

i dont play poo2

[bold scarab]

Press button get random mod for 60 seconds

[past mantle]

The idea for it is that you use it to push your armour to be better against large phys hits but cap it at 50% reduction so you can survive the one hit easier.
The larger the hit the more armour you need and you'd need a good amount already for this to feel significant at all.
Meanwhile you'd only defend against 50% against small hits instead of 90% and that'll shred you in maps.
I wouldn't toggle that on unless you know the exact thresholds you need to survive things like shaper slam.

[bold scarab]

Idk lel

[bold scarab]

What if we just make it simple ... Skills that use sentinels/relics gain double minion count kek

XD

So

[brazen vector]

thats a helmet mod

[bold scarab]

Multiplicative with those

Owo

12 absolution sentinels xD

[soft perch]

New Poe expansion where they delete minions

Log the fuck in

[fickle glen]

What’s the usual estimate against strong hits without that perk?

[soft perch]

Best patch of all time

[past mantle]

6 absolution sentinels is something else.

[bold scarab]

16 HoP minions

Lol

[past mantle]

Having 24 crit skulls is it.

[bold scarab]

Well also it wouldn't have the monarch downside of losing every other minion

[bold scarab]

But it would be locked to specific types of minions

[soft perch]

They should give mageblood and headhunter the downside of you can’t use minions

[bold scarab]

So HoP ... Dom blow ... Abso ... Holy relic

[bold scarab]

Using minions with HH is meaningless

[whole bluff]

Or just make minions randomly pick pocket players and become hostile, but not drop the stolen item on death

[fickle glen]

Thank you, Idk where u find that but seems good

[soft perch]

It gives speed and survivability

[plain nest]

any one can help me on PS

[soft perch]

Both of which are never useless

[dusky void]

that doesnt stack or?

[bold scarab]

Lol

[soft perch]

Also headhunter has tons of aura buffs lol

It’s defo not useless for minions

[past mantle]

That's from the wiki.

[bold scarab]

I just want the old virulence passive back

Make hoag great again

[fickle glen]

I must have missed it

[soft perch]

I want 3.28

[frigid wedge]

what

[soft perch]

One more month

[frigid wedge]

which one

[bold scarab]

Pathfinder used to have a passive that worked alot like the herald passive ... It gave max virulence and I think slower decay

[fickle glen]

Do pc players have floating damage numbers?

[past mantle]

Nope.

[fickle glen]

Then… how do you tell how much damage is dealt to you and damage u deal?

[frigid wedge]

ah

[soft perch]

I don’t remember this

[past mantle]

You don't.

[gaunt wolf]

if mob dies good dmg

[bold scarab]

I think it was part of the poison spread passive

It might have been the wither one tho

[fickle glen]

…….

[bold scarab]

It was one of those 2

[past mantle]

Shaper slam is 10344 to 15516 damage so you would need Imbalanced guard to take you to 15516 * 5 armour to reduce it by 50%.
The other issue that comes in is that things like endurance charges are added together so you really can just get the same defence with 3 end charges and armour without imbalanced.

[whole bluff]

Retrieving the stolen item could be done with an old school vorici mission

[past mantle]

There's a lot going against using imbalanced really.

[bold scarab]

It gave an extra 25 virulence cap and something else

But then they took it away

[past mantle]

I remember something like that for pathfinder.

[bold scarab]

And now it's back as phrecia herald ascendancy

[bold scarab]

That was the last time I ever played hoag in the base game

[bold scarab]

That was before they completely neutered aura minions too with the reservation rework

[fickle glen]

Well that makes things easier

[past mantle]

I could've sworn it had another virulence thing.

[whole bluff]

I remembered this yeah. Not extra virulence, but capping virulence was slightly harder in the past

[bold scarab]

Eh I guess I was wrong

I knew it was something about virulence lel

[past mantle]

That's from 3.10.

(Thank you pob.)

[bold scarab]

Ye

[past mantle]

Was like that since 3.6 at least then in 3.13 it got changed, yep.

[bold scarab]

Lol

[whole bluff]

These days, I don't think using MFA bow would even be required to cap like 100 virulence, though I might be wrong

[bold scarab]

Now we got the added problem that trying to use hoag takes up like 80% of your mana reservation

Lel

[brazen vector]

COD players rejoice

[bold scarab]

Cuz of cost multipliers to the base reservation

[tough cove]

lots of ways to cap

the hardest part is dednisty to cap though

[bold scarab]

I think people just use lancing steel and go about their day

Used to be like toxic rain

Or bladefall

[whole bluff]

Dednisty? Dependency?

[tough cove]

density

[whole bluff]

Ah, I mean like for single target

Maybe it is actually difficult

It wasn't trivial with stuff like WOrb CwC Ice Spear + GMP, years ago

[past mantle]

Hoagers are fine, dw.

[hard oar]

Implicits are the stats that go above prefixes/suffixes, right? So the eldritch ones are an extra?

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[past mantle]

Implicits are the ones above the explicits, yes. Eldritch modes are implicits.

[whole bluff]

They're special for allowing 1 of each type

And no others iirc

[hard oar]

oh, so I can have the exarch one and another one? Forgot the name now. Darn that's kinda sweet

Thanks!

[past mantle]

Exarch and eater? Yes.

[whole bluff]

Exarch & Eater come hand in hand, doesn't play with other implicits

[limpid prairie]

a bunch of strong mods in implicits very power creep

[past mantle]

What do we count as each type since there's gilded fossils and also synth items.

[brazen vector]

abd enchantments go above implicits

[whole bluff]

Afaik, eater/exarch just replaces other implicits, rejects new ones, but allow each other?

[past mantle]

They have a different text colour so nuh uh.

[whole bluff]

It's not 2 groups per see, afaik. It's just exarch and eater being special

[past mantle]

Can have gilded alongside eater/exarch.

[whole bluff]

Huh, damn

I may be all wrong then

[past mantle]

And you can corrupt away the gilded mod to replace with a regular corrupted mod.

[whole bluff]

Wut

[past mantle]

And have something like this.

Eater, exarch and regular corrupt mod.

[whole bluff]

Don't mind me in that case. I thought specifically, exarch and eater only allowed exarch and eater

[past mantle]

Gilded fossils are very weirdge.

They also mean that synth items can have up to 3 synth mods and 1 corrupted mod too.

[hard oar]

Woah, there's more to itemisation than I thought

[drowsy eagle]

can you do the impending doom twink stuff as a right side character?

[past mantle]

(The Adorned players know about them 4 mod items.)

[whole bluff]

What happens if you eldritch ember a gilded item?

[past mantle]

Removes it.

[ocean field]

I see thank you my dawg

[whole bluff]

Ah, fair enough

[ocean field]

Fellas if you have infinite dps and infinte hp which content gives the most div/h

[drowsy eagle]

valdo

[past mantle]

Valdo's.

[ocean field]

I see

[past mantle]

But that shows that infinite dps and infinite hp is very finite actually.

[ocean field]

other than valdo

[whole bluff]

So basically:

• Exarch: removes existing implicits, except Eater. Doesn't work on synth or influenced.
• Eater: removes existing implicits, except Exarch. Doesn't work on synth or influenced.
• Synth: Removes what? Only normal or any? Doesn't work on synth or influenced.
• Gilded: Removes nothing, works on anything uncorrupted.
• Corruption: if implicits change, removes one and adds 1 or 2 depending on method

?

[hard oar]

Uhhh...bit of a stupid question, but if I portal while inside the hive tree, will I be able to get back in there, or will I botch it?

[whole bluff]

I don't think you can make the portal? Should need to use the exit? Not 100% sure

[frigid wedge]

just logout

and login

[ocean field]

Fellas if you have infinite dps and infinte hp which content gives the most div/h (other than valdo)

[hard oar]

Ah, as long as I haven't started the gauntlet I can just exit, welp, that's my stupid question done xD

[frigid wedge]

blight w giga mod effect?

[ocean field]

yeah the only issue with that is I don't have an infinite gpu

my laptop gonna explode

[scarlet jacinth]

Probably the scarab farm in t17 where you stack scarab per enemy modifier

[ocean field]

oh

yeah that I can do

my build is stronger in t17 than t16

since mods like reduced block and no leech does not exist

[scarlet jacinth]

In the high end rare mobs have like 11 modifiers soo expect to get killed

[ocean field]

yeah that is why we got the 6 portal defence

[scarlet jacinth]

Its a pretty damn expensive strat

[uneven gust]

[ocean field]

for a quick comparision why many times is it more harder than like wave 15 simu

3x?

[scarlet jacinth]

Dod you really try buying an item just to notice you were the seller?

[uneven gust]

🤷🏿‍♂️

[scarlet jacinth]

Rares + allot of modifiers don't have to be deadly, its just the right combination of them will kill any build

[brazen vector]

happens

[craggy urchin]

anyone can recommend an idol strat for phrecia league?
i have 15d budget and my build can fight maven

[brazen vector]

but can it beat maven?

[ocean field]

hmm I see

[scarlet jacinth]

Poe is funny like that, builds that can take all the dumb stuff like memory game maven, uber uber elder etc. Can still get 1shot by some funky rare

[signal herald]

Can you get kiracs vault reward in phrecia league?

[ocean field]

true it do be like that

[brazen vector]

yes

[ocean field]

my biggest high in this game is face tanking anything thrown at me

[scarlet jacinth]

Been doing boss rush myself, fighting elder/shaper then uber elder myself

[ocean field]

that is the reason I play trickster

[signal herald]

Ty so much

[whole bluff]

Oh, I forgot to claim vault pass in phrecia

[sonic jolt]

Yo

[whole bluff]

2d + 85c this has to afford some idol setup. Problem is just I'm not playing a serious build

[sonic jolt]

Saresh from what I learn is a surgeon.. reminds me of steinman in bioshock but saresh is a necro

[soft perch]

This is what I don’t like about phrecia

[scarlet jacinth]

I'm curious what else i could do that makes more then bossrush without being boxes or extreme investment.

[soft perch]

Ur encouraged to play something mostly ssf based to spend ur money on idols

[whole bluff]

I did juice my build, but not in a thought through or pob tested way

And it doesn't work well atm

I just have 580dex on a wildspeaker with nulls inclination, basically

Skipped merc lab cuz I plan to go oshabi

5L nulls was like 8c for a good roll

[brazen vector]

totally ssf based

[charred crow]

headhunter son or mageblood daugther

[whole bluff]

Damn, 3 writhing jars before dropping a divine life flask is insane

[brazen vector]

HOLY 207 CRIT MULTI

[brazen vector]

the other is an eternal flask

[whole bluff]

Already tripled

[whole bluff]

Unlucky

[brazen vector]

thats the joke

[whole bluff]

[frigid wedge]

omg 621 crit multi

[whole bluff]

1863 crit multi

[soft perch]

[eternal hill]

Crit multi is 300

[whole bluff]

Okay Maligaro

[scarlet jacinth]

Omg 2,147,483,648 crit multi

[brazen vector]

_ _

[scarlet jacinth]

A blank message?

[brazen vector]

once it overflows, it disappears

[scarlet jacinth]

Thats what negative is for

[brazen vector]

not in the stat window for some stats

[whole bluff]

-11527#7;×2<<×222÷/8 crit multi

[brazen vector]

one of empys end league things had the flat damage just disappear

[scarlet jacinth]

Syntax Error crit multi

[brazen vector]

or was it armor?

I dont remember

[uneven gust]

DING!

[scarlet jacinth]

Potion seller, selling potions

[brazen vector]

[pastel crystal]

i should really fix my flasks

[spare ore]

https://tenor.com/view/counting-my-money-gif-16287862988530902702

[scarlet jacinth]

Yea same.. I'm still using 2 act10 life flasks and 2 lvl4 quicksilvers.

[brazen vector]

new flask acquired

[frigid wedge]

i tried to instill my flasks ans now every single one has used when you hit a rare or unique

[brazen vector]

wouldnt need to instil if you got the 3rd ring

[scarlet jacinth]

That one rare watching you turn into god whenever you hit em

[spare ore]

rare watching man chugging 5 flasks in point 1 millisecond

[frigid wedge]

what typa ring 👀

i do wonder where the third ring goes

is it a cock ring

[scarlet jacinth]

10 fingers, and you instantly went for it being a cock ring.. magical

[brazen vector]

WORM RING OFC

all 3 slots

[brazen vector]

at least it wasnt a nipple ring

[tranquil sedge]

11 rings for male characters or riot

[tranquil sedge]

add +1 body piercing mods to all gear slots

you can equip one extra ring for each mod

[scarlet jacinth]

I bet we can easily fit 10 grafts on our back aswell

[whole bluff]

Grafts should allow you to wear 5 extra rings

[spare ore]

why is my luck so shit rn bruhh been at this ulti grind for couple hours no divines lmao

[scarlet jacinth]

Map chisels?

[frigid wedge]

if the character cannot hold more than 2 by default then they cant have 3 on their hands

[brazen vector]

[scarlet jacinth]

The grafts their hands?

[brazen vector]

can glorp have 1 ring for each antenna?

[frigid wedge]

yes

[brazen vector]

[frigid wedge]

migu gets one per hair tail

[scarlet jacinth]

Animate weapon of rings.. ring minions!

[steel light]

keeper's trade

[scarlet jacinth]

Ultimatum seems quite profitable in phrecia too, just dunno if i want to make a cws or tanky char

[split maple]

phrecia if you dont want to afk you can just take ruinous wager

and dps mobs before they ruin you

[steel light]

i lost 10d from hh and 70d from mb cause of ruins, can't recommend cws as an overall ultimatum character

[scarlet jacinth]

Huh

[split maple]

on glad or chief?

[frigid wedge]

id love to not hate afk builds

[scarlet jacinth]

To be able todo ruin maps on cws it has a few specific requirements

[tidal spear]

people that use warped timepiece for the fusillade build, do they care about the attack speed/cast speed on it?

[steel light]

chief, ruins + 2/3 sec no damage + protect altar eventually fucks me, i learnt my lesson

[split maple]

well yea that combo is nasty and rly wants a glad

[spare ore]

i can played cws in keepers for couple weeks, it's good

[steel light]

buy that inscribe for 20d~ profit then

[spare ore]

poofed my mb, poofed my focused amulet gambled and gave all my money away

[steel light]

@split maple bought mb inscribe for 70d and proceed to fail it

[split maple]

looks like you recovered quickly

[steel light]

not really, i went to do my seven years ultimatum, i cleared and then failed sephirot, still down 30d

esm u have experience with harbinger? does it give good gold?

[split maple]

harb+beyond is like 40+k gold a t17 for me, a tad less in t16.5

[tranquil sedge]

are you running any rarity at all

[split maple]

in keepers, didnt do idols with it yet

[split maple]

noup

but i do invigo when i rly want gold, its consistently 300k+ with highs in 500-600k

[tranquil sedge]

right

still gold flask with benchcrafted rarity suffix should make a noticable difference for gold over no rarity at all

think most builds can casually slot in one of those for smth like harbinger* if needed

[split maple]

some difference yea but less than in settlers

since they reworked how gold drops work a tad

[tranquil sedge]

o

great lol

[split maple]

"natural" gold drops aint scaled by iir, while conversion mod gold drops are

[tranquil sedge]

so increased uses for gold but still less gold overall

what are conversion mod gold drops

[split maple]

like in settlers all gold drops were converted from item drops

[elfin spire]

Is rarity as "necessary" as it is in PoE 2?
Or there's not much to compare?

[split maple]

now some are separate drops, while some are if monster gets a modifier that converts its reward

[tranquil sedge]

not even remotely necessary in this game except when doing high tier unique farm strategies at endgame

and even then eh

[split maple]

basically see there srev: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Gold#Item_acquisition

[tranquil sedge]

iiq (increased item quantity) was what magic find in this game used, what poe2 is currently experiencing with iir (increased item rarity)

they basically deleted it from poe1 so ur fine on that count

rarity aint something to think about, you take it for a bit of extra gold mostly if you have space for it otherwise u dont think about it and it'll make no difference

[elfin spire]

Ngl, I thought that rarity as item stat was removed from PoE 1 before starting playing it.

[tranquil sedge]

^

[split maple]

iir also has pretty harsh diminishing returns - even if you decide to care about it, for solo play you rly dont need more than 150-200%

[tranquil sedge]

quantity was deleted

-# still exists in legacy gear in standard but ye its gone from the main game

[split maple]

for group play you want a culler with as much as possible still, but thats due to party scaling being funky in general

[steel light]

i'm doing this with glittering, alva champion x2, kalguuran and guarded riches, without bismuth spawn it's 80k full clear, or 120-140k with bismuth full clear
are there any other method that's better than this other than rota (non in tft) or juiced blight (mob ignore cws and went for pump)?

[split maple]

yeah if you aint doing invigo/gilded thats pretty decent

[tranquil sedge]

wat happens if you drop alva scarabs for full kingsmarch scarabs for a map or two

[split maple]

you lose majority of magic mob gold dorps thats what happens 😄

[steel light]

33% magic mobs in incursions

[tranquil sedge]

and any open slots with the red winged scarab + lineage i forget how many slots kalguuran ones take up

[slim bolt]

is craftofexile bugged right now to calculate fosil crafting?

[split maple]

idk alva is kinda a lot of mobs + faster than waiting for crimson ore to spawn mobs

& if you have too much dps crimson ore is kinda non-farmable

[tranquil sedge]

for quite a bunch of ppl yh

[tranquil sedge]

ig
in 3.26 i was running 2x kalguuran + guarded riches, 1x bloodlines and 1x lineage when i needed a spare map or two of gold

dunno if that was optimal but it worked
tho if i had the clear for alva maybe that woulda been better lol

[hoary scarab]

i made a funny thing skth that this league

you can have crimson ores with 12 bulbs

[split maple]

i rly liked kalgur+guarded for map farm, but then got fucked by dps 😄 crimson iron spawners die too fast

[tranquil sedge]

are you supposed to let them keep spawning until they dont anymore or something

[split maple]

each time you deal a bit of dmg to one spawner all of them summon mobs

if you dont tickle them, they stop spawning

if you do 0dps hit (tested at legstart) it doesnt proc spawn

[tranquil sedge]

i see

[split maple]

so if you have both dps and too much coverage you rly cannot get as many mobs as you want from them

[leaden quiver]

yeah, then you go for one bismuth ore for the extra mod on magics, two monstrous lineage scarabs, two settlers scarabs, one of guarded riches so theyre all magic

insane gold in t16.5

for farming idols

[steel light]

3 months ban for esm

[split maple]

what did i do now

[elfin spire]

I want ascendancy from chaos trial's, but man I hate how chaos work's in poe 1.
Can't imagine how wild I have to make build to compensate chaos modifiers on top of map modifiers

[split maple]

just do it in scoured t1?

[elfin spire]

I mean, I guess it works too

[tranquil sedge]

what is chaos

[split maple]

ultimatum

[tranquil sedge]

oo

[elfin spire]

Oh, it's not called chaos here?

[tranquil sedge]

usually the people trying to compensate for those mods are also trying to afk ultimatum lol

[split maple]

its chaos bloodline

but its not chaos trials 😄

[steel light]

this is chaos

[tranquil sedge]

like a strong build can still kinda power through the mods if it has to

esp if its just to farm one kill for ascendency

[elfin spire]

It can be chaos on russian localization, though I'm not sure if I remember it correctly.

[split maple]

yea just slap dueling scarab on scoured t1 map and do it

[elfin spire]

I can't get past third wave and it's not even in map's - it's in act's.

[steel light]

u're unworthy

[elfin spire]

Either I die or tower

[split maple]

well level up your build first

[steel light]

just do it on scoured white map when u managed to clear yellow or red map?

[split maple]

like rly no reason to go for bloodline while still in campaign

[elfin spire]

I'm like second week in PoE 1.

[split maple]

also in campaign you wont get trialmaster

so you cannot even get bloodline there

[steel light]

yes, u're nub, why are u forcing things u can't handle right now?

[elfin spire]

Not surprised, lol.
But I can get sense of modifiers and some experience.

[steel light]

u have time, don't rush

[split maple]

yea for trialmaster its 3% chance in ultimatums in t14+ maps to proc on last round

or forced by dueling scarb

[marsh aspen]

Question, is there a way to make endurance charges generate, mimic frenzy charges ?

[split maple]

none of that can happen early

[split maple]

wdym?

[elfin spire]

I mean, I am in T14-T15 in keeper's.
I can try to do it there.

[marsh aspen]

Like, master form, increases max endurance to frenzy, but if I generate frenzy, is there a way to get endurance as well

Or it does that too ?

[split maple]

you still need to generate them separately

or use ralakeshes with endurance charge mod

or stack minimum endurance charges from like grand spectrums

[marsh aspen]

Yeah, that was my question. Thank you kind sir

Was just wondering if there is a way to link generating frenzy to endurance

[fringe elbow]

If I stack more then 100% imprisoned monsters can I get multiple or do I have to do more then tht

[modest depot]

https://pobb.in/8atZLBozEWB2 pretty capped on my character. probably no more upgrades for phrecia except claws + some xdd items

was a good time

[stoic horizon]

cap at 100

[modest depot]

was the aurabot https://pobb.in/904Thy_bRFqz

[fringe elbow]

How do people getting more 🤔 from scarabs?

[modest depot]

also

[steel light]

i'm still struggling with keepers, and this mf's already done with pher

[split maple]

thats pretty pog

[frigid wedge]

why the uh synaptic

[modest depot]

breachlord ascendacy

its less damage than helicals but with how often we run ele res maps it feels better

raises the floor instead of ceiling

[frigid wedge]

fair

[split maple]

how many hours roughly in phrecia herro?

[modest depot]

30-40?

went super hard day 1-2 then had to fix schedules for work

[split maple]

holy you two work fast 😄

[modest depot]

cant really tell because i never closed my game when i went to sleep

but yeah it was super fun. easily the most busted duo setup i've ever played

damage is absurd. the tank is absurd and we still die in these blight maps lol

gold is solid too . gamble a bit earlier but got back up to this

[split maple]

thats what 100-200 map worth?

[lilac parcel]

question i have bought this many alterations ? can i leave them there indefinetly ?

its like a whole currency stash tab

im ready to go rolling again

it took 2 days to buy those alts

[steel light]

that's around 8-11hrs of reroll

[lilac parcel]

sunday i have rolled for around 9 hours in total

over like 14 hours 9 were rolling

[steel light]

wait, it took me 1+ hrs for 3k reroll, this is definitely more than what i'd typed

[lilac parcel]

im very proud of this

this was the rolling for

next weekend i have to recombine 2 more suffisex on it

[spare ore]

hell yeah

[dusky void]

should i take fell fen or vile imprecations with despair and does the fell fen chaos res has the same radius as osin 6m?

[modest depot]

like 40

the absolute worst map we ran today was 400k

most of the time its around 1m. and we had a 2.3m juicer

[spare ore]

man divines refuse to drop in ulti for me

on a full idol setup

rigged

[marsh aspen]

Bruh. Im here still in act 4, this dude completed everything

Jesus that's nasty char

[scarlet jacinth]

Thats ultimatum for ya, a little bit of luck is involved

[lilac parcel]

is there a website that has mirror tier items but not forbiden trove

[split maple]

like settle shop? https://www.thesettle.shop/

[lilac parcel]

that one yes

the affordable one

[wind axle]

rolled over a 5L

im pissed

also i didnt know the jewelers orb undid the links already on the armor 😭😭

[tranquil sedge]

channel that energy to realize you can just bench 5 links on the bench next time

[wind axle]

jewelers orb omen

[wind axle]

havent unlocked that yet tbh

[tranquil sedge]

o

[split maple]

this one kinda looks proper for your build, no?

[lilac parcel]

i have that one on my main charachter

[split maple]

so why are you spaming tens of thousands of alts

[lilac parcel]

what im trying to craft is not for my main charachter its for an experiment im tryign to do

i wanna do a scion rf build just strong enough so i can farm t16 corupted with quantity of items found equipment

a build which has just enough damage and survivability to replace some items on it

[slim island]

tf are you supposed to do with orbs of unmaking in phrecia

vendor it for scrolls?

[split maple]

hoard them

my preciouses

[whole bluff]

Crash the keepers market later

[normal hedge]

just hide it in your filter

[whole bluff]

Or see if we can make unmakings break 200:1c in keepers

They were at 16:1c or something

[scarlet jacinth]

Buy thousands and thousands and take it to standard

[whole bluff]

Crash all the markets

[scarlet jacinth]

Make them absolutely worthless in softcore

[whole bluff]

Make people pay you to delete them

Cuz the amount of unmakings create server instability

[scarlet jacinth]

Beasts 2.0 type of problems

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[scarlet jacinth]

Kinda sad we still need map completion for idol slots

[bronze falcon]

Kinda bummed about that but I'm only in this league until lvl 90 for the mtx

[whole bluff]

"What do you not have a macro to delete orb of unmakings, exile?" - Einhar 2026

[wind axle]

why am i putting a bigger evasion body armor on but my evasion goes down??

[grand vine]

LF Über Elder Carry in Phrecia 2.0

[scarlet jacinth]

"Permanently banned for unfair game advantages, using a macro to delete orbs of unmaking" -GGG

[wind axle]

why does the one on the left give me more total evasion?

[stoic horizon]

cold res?

ah nvm

[wind axle]

its literally a difference of 11k evasion

im so confused

[whole bluff]

Sockets?

[split maple]

did you reactivate grace or smh?

[wind axle]

wait

[wind axle]

this

it's empty so i get double bonus from oath of oagi

🤦

[opal ingot]

xd

[wind axle]

im such a troglodyte

mb gang

[opal ingot]

happens to the best of us

[whole bluff]

I am a cyclops

[wind axle]

lotta moving parts on this game

and not a lot of actual parts in my brain

• reading hard

[bronze falcon]

Zoom and boom monke brain no need read

[frigid wedge]

i am a siren

[strong totem]

I am a bugger

[bronze falcon]

I am the walrus

coo coo cachoo

[visual stream]

a yes avarge poe player chat

[split maple]

good thing no one reads that

[spare ore]

no way

idols must be bugged

[visual stream]

lucky i dont see anyone amid they are furry

[whole bluff]

Nobody can

[spare ore]

there's no way it's this bad on a really good idol setup

[visual stream]

[split maple]

whats your idol setup Boogie

[lilac parcel]

i amde this a while ago , i have a question

can you block spells ?

[split maple]

if you have spell block

[spare ore]

93% dupe chance +4 additional rounds
+386 inc chance for currency rewards
and my twisted is good too

[visual stream]

yes

spell block is a thing

[lilac parcel]

if you block spells you get the mana and hp ?

[split maple]

you runnng that in t16 rite?

[spare ore]

yeah

i have been playing for hours with no divines in sight

[split maple]

well gl and if you get tired of waiting for good luck, inscr + cata tends to be more consistent

[lilac parcel]

do expeditions if you want divs

log books

[spare ore]

i cant be asked making another set

[lilac parcel]

expedition is the only S-tier strat that this game ever had

[split maple]

its simpler since you only need 1 mod idols

like the only mod you care about is inscr ultis rewarding currencies

[spare ore]

i dont even know if its worth it

without grueling

cata is 500c rn lol

nvm faustus trollin

[tight iris]

ultimatum's been nice

[visual stream]

ultimatum become something actually fun rn

[spare ore]

holy shit finnally 1 divine orb

funny i changed from dunes after doing it for hours to another map and the first map i get divines, yeah dunes is cursed

[hard cliff]

spamming only one map is cursed

[tight iris]

dunes op

[spare ore]

i refuse to believe this

[tight iris]

[devout widget]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-divine-poe-nyam-gif-9354241074229914147

You guys, i need help understanding something in POB

[elder marlin]

holy fk why is stability runegraft so expensive?

[stoic horizon]

gambler

[elder marlin]

theres harvest crop strat

so it shouldnt be that bad

[devout widget]

Im trying to understand the simple interaction between the skill and weapon, but im unable to understand what is the source of 'More/Less' interaction in the image

[stoic horizon]

it got patched less than a day after its discovery

[elder marlin]

still 50k crop per map is still really fucking good

[devout widget]

why after the 60% conversion of physical damge to chaos, is the another multiplication with 1.12? what is the source of this? since i dont get anything from anywhere on gear or tree

[tight iris]

https://i.imgur.com/QL3O72T.png

[hard cliff]

[elder marlin]

how?

[stoic horizon]

wdym how

just run ultis until you get div

[normal hedge]

you click ultimatum and print divines

thats how it works

[frigid wedge]

ah yes ultimatum

[elder marlin]

how much effective block do u need to do ruin ulti?

[normal hedge]

99

[stoic horizon]

between 0 and max

[elder marlin]

yea i dont think thats possible in phrecia

[normal hedge]

ofc it is

[elder marlin]

but then only 1 block can reach that point

[stoic horizon]

2nd box time

[normal hedge]

only 1 what

[elder marlin]

either spell or atk block

cuz gambler

[frigid wedge]

just gamble harder and get both

[visual stream]

u got the wrong one its should be hairless yellow cat

xdd

[elder marlin]

how?

[frigid wedge]

win

[elder marlin]

best i can do is 93/89

[frigid wedge]

[elder marlin]

[steel light]

@elder marlin buy and get ~20D profit

[elder marlin]

dont have currency

gamble all alr

[steel light]

u confident to clear this? i failed a similiar one and -70D

[elder marlin]

protect the altar so pretty sketch, reduced recovery 2 too, yea this is kinda not doable for my char, alr gamble with my current mb

i can barely do reduce recovery 1

rf+annihilation is just too taxing on recovery

[frigid wedge]

so drop one for those

[spare ore]

what is ur idol setup

[tight iris]

the one from the reddit post

just 4 conqs with the 2 stats and the rest all currency chance

[spare ore]

thats what im running too :v

[frigid wedge]

how effective is it

[spare ore]

feels way worse then atlas ultimatum

[elder marlin]

do u do grueling gauntlet?

[tight iris]

idk what that is

probably not

[frigid wedge]

interesting

[frigid wedge]

keystone for more rounds but ur not picking the mods

[tight iris]

yea i dont do that

[spare ore]

took me hours to get a div drop from ultimatum btw

[tight iris]

another div showed up

[elder marlin]

is spell block important for ruin ulti?

[spare ore]

yes

[tight iris]

i never pick ruin

so dunno

[spare ore]

and lucky block is mandatory for it too

[steel light]

stalker iv

[tight iris]

im doing it on a crappy 40d int stack kboc oshabi guy

and its fine

[steel light]

Stalking Ruin IV An invulnerable shade stalks you, aggressively casting Spells that inflict Ruin while teleporting to random locations. Fail on reaching 7 Ruin
@elder marlin

[elder marlin]

fk

this is the best block i can do

[steel light]

ruins still kills me

[elder marlin]

dont know if if its enough for grueling

[elder marlin]

[spare ore]

are we serious

[steel light]

wtf wasn't u doing gruelling before?

[frigid wedge]

do u have a bunch of idols for it counts as 1 extra round

[spare ore]

yes

all my conqs are dupe+extra round

[steel light]

Ruin IV Two Monster types will apply quadruple Ruin with their special abilities. Fail on reaching 7 Ruin
ruin iv + stalking ruin iv = +6 ruins, u failed instantly if u already have 1 ruin debuff

[tight iris]

ya that sounds terrible

[frigid wedge]

u kinda need 85+ block for comfy ruin

[elder marlin]

1/10 i die

[spare ore]

what are u chieftain?

[frigid wedge]

maybe i should try cws

gamble i believe

[elder marlin]

Hell nah

Gambler with stability

[spare ore]

oh ur playin event

[elder marlin]

Yea

[tight iris]

i thought we all are

[elder marlin]

My non event keeper char has 99%

[frigid wedge]

is cws actually fun

[brazen vector]

YES

[spare ore]

it was pretty chill

[brazen vector]

I did a cws pathfinder at some point

[frigid wedge]

yeah but i dont know what to do while im playing

[steel light]

pher?

[tranquil sedge]

watch things

[frigid wedge]

that sounds bleh

[steel light]

i alt tab when doing ultimatum

mob hits me they die, mob ignores me i fail objective (blight pump)

[frigid wedge]

mm

fair

[steel light]

hence i can't farm gold with blight

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[past mantle]

Yes if you are happy to afk ultimatum or simulacrums and nothing else.

[frigid wedge]

mm

[past mantle]

It's great for working from home.

[steel light]

he'll get stand in stone circle 7 out of 10 times

[past mantle]

You ever see stand in stone circles?

[steel light]

yes sadly

[past mantle]

It's like 10% chance to see stone circles with the appropriate things on the tree.

[frigid wedge]

who, me?

[steel light]

my seven years of bad luck was stone circle

well ulti inscript

[brazen vector]

[spare ore]

who playin cws in phrecia?

[visual stream]

old ppl

those who also play rf for every league

[spare ore]

i meant like people in this chat

[civic charm]

Is it just me or is it hard to farm syndicate medallion?

[steel light]

it's harder, yes
i got 1 from 30+ hideout in keepers

[civic charm]

Them odds is wild

[brazen vector]

good moneys though

[spare ore]

are u playin cws in phrecia?

[brazen vector]

I play cast on worm

[spare ore]

who wants my divs im quittin this

[brazen vector]

sure

[uneven gust]

eyy?

[spare ore]

ign?

[lament hearth]

I want divs
But I’m not online

[visual stream]

im try push my absolution abit more and see how it go before quit this event

[ocean field]

is the gain 20-30 es on hit from watchers very significant??

am I stupid to ignore it?

[dry tree]

Depends how fast you hit

If you hit a lot, it can be the literal only sustain you need

[ocean field]

oh

2.82

is my aps

sodj

so I guess no

but I am confused

how fast is the leech rate

[pulsar dune]

It's instant

It's valuable since it bypasses all map mods

[ocean field]

yeah I am comparing it to like normal leeech

like how slow is normal leech

excluding the instant leech bit

Is there like a rate of leeching

like regen

[pulsar dune]

Leech is complicated

[dry tree]

Baseline it'll cap out at 20% max life per second, or 10% max ES per second

[tranquil sedge]

yes just look at pob for your numbers

[pulsar dune]

Every hit that leeches ES will leech for some amount of ES, which it will then recover at some rate, based on your max ES. These can overlap, but the total cap is limited to a different rate

[dry tree]

and keep in mind 2.82 is your APS but you're probably not hitting one enemy per action right?

[ocean field]

Does this mean I leech 1/3 every time I hit something

[pulsar dune]

This means that if you're constantly attacking you recover 3.5k ES per second from leech

[ocean field]

oh

but turning off the instant leech

only reduced 200 es

[tranquil sedge]

left side 3.5k is per second assuming constant attacks

right side is breakdown of how that number comes about

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, instant is not too valuable with smite

[ocean field]

oh

I am stupid

[pulsar dune]

It's absurd on fross, tornado shot, msoz and such

[ocean field]

oh

I see

honestly might try msoz

seems to better than smite

[tranquil sedge]

uh

dont play msoz if ur on a low budget tbh

and by low i mean less than mageblood+a few hundred div+

[pulsar dune]

Ideally a nimis

[tranquil sedge]

maybe around or after that u can consider trying msoz

[ocean field]

I am on standard

but I digress

can't play it

2 handed

rn my plan is to run

valdo maps

cause I have never explored valdo

[tranquil sedge]

gl 😄

[ocean field]

XD

I don't intent to make money from it

just explore

[dry tree]

There's not much to explore

[ocean field]

a lil sightseeing

[dry tree]

Just feared and voided characters

[ocean field]

I won't try the void maps

just the normal ones

I want to push the build to the limit

on survivability

and see

[jagged raven]

how r u guys farming currency in phrecia
im so pooooor

[ocean field]

just quit and play standard

that is what I am doing

stopped before act 1

[jagged raven]

i shouldve done that
but im too far in it cant turn back now

[stoic horizon]

commit idols to one thing and farm it

[uneven thunder]

Genuinely curious why does monster reflect exist? Because it makes maps unplayable

[gentle chasm]

yea pretty much why

[stoic horizon]

relic of old tomes that still lingers in the game

its there for ocassional "haha you didnt read map mods dumb streamer"

[dry tree]

If our damage was somewhat closer in proportion to hit pools it would be a more interesting mod

But atm it's pretty binary. Fully mitigated = 0 damage, otherwise you explode

[visual stream]

cause ggg hate us

[uneven thunder]

Rarely happens to me but does get on my nerves not being able to clear a map

[hard cliff]

keeps you awake

[tranquil umbra]

the charge steal mod is what really kills me

[ocean field]

can expedition logbook be amplied by atlas tree or scarabs or are they similar to simulacrum

[hard cliff]

provides an extra challenge to build around

[gentle chasm]

most builds have something that bricks maps for em

[tranquil umbra]

accidentally entering a no regen map with rf

[gentle chasm]

reflect is just special that it will tax you xp if you dont/cant read

[hard cliff]

gotta go fast

[uneven thunder]

Yep

[dry tree]

Honestly the reflect voidstone mod was sooooo nice to store

Whatever those were called

When you could bottle them up and save them for a specific map

[gentle chasm]

sextants?

[dry tree]

You could bottle them once rolled tho

[gentle chasm]

yea

[ocean field]

??

[stoic horizon]

standalone

[split maple]

You can alch, bless them etc

But tree and scarbs don't apply

They aint maps

[stoic horizon]

divine your logbooks

[hoary scarab]

divine your life flask

its called divine for a reason

[whole bluff]

Buy 2000 blessed orbs per logbook

If it ain't perfect implicits it ain't good enough

Bonus points if you roll over perfect implicits twice

[sleek barn]

is there a way to counteract the graveyard shifts "your zombies count as corpses"

im linking to them and dying immediately after they get exploded

due to some random rare

[whole bluff]

You can change ascendancies in poe1

Also you can just make a new character

[sleek barn]

well yes but i wish to still be a puppeteer

[whole bluff]

Ah, rip

[sleek barn]

i was thinking catarina bloodline but

they will still die

quite sad its a fun little build

[whole bluff]

If you blow your own zombies up first, the enemy can't do it

[sleek barn]

but then i kill myself lol

[whole bluff]

Nah, no friendly fire

[sleek barn]

im linked to them

[whole bluff]

Oh

[sleek barn]

thats the main issue

[whole bluff]

Resurrect in town?

[sleek barn]

im not dying from the explosion

[whole bluff]

Sorry, trolly mood

[stoic horizon]

its funny how just one line kills the build

[sleek barn]

indeed

i mean im level 84 and its not unplayable

but once i hear that corpse explosion sfx

[stoic horizon]

you could try swap to zombie of falling memes

[sleek barn]

i know its joever

i have swapped off of zombie of falling

into this

[stoic horizon]

oh

[sleek barn]

these are sad times

[stoic horizon]

first build that comes to my mind when i think about puppeteer is energy blade aw

[whole bluff]

I just think ivory tower

[stoic horizon]

yeah you do ivory tower str stack for tons of es

[whole bluff]

Not sure what I'd do with it, but that's definitely it

[stoic horizon]

the only issue is no Necro leech

[sleek barn]

https://pobb.in/JMyBpiXu0mlH

its not bad

its just a bit slow bc the zombies are framelocked when they slam

with diallas and a 35% minion cluster it should be 1m dps per zombie

so a lackluster 3m dps total

[whole bluff]

Prog

[sleek barn]

i think i'll have to swap anyways

back to falling zombies

rip

[whole bluff]

On puppeteer, I'd probably want to go non-summoner ivory tower strength stack

With battlemage forbiddens and spellblade

[lethal bloom]

is someone playing dead eyes with kinetic blast of clustering

[rapid gazelle]

you can drop two of the same timeless jewel in 1 5way?

[odd flicker]

Yes my eyes are dead

[rapid gazelle]

the one on the right dropped unided

[visual stream]

hmm what the minimum rolls i should get on immutable force guys ?

[bronze falcon]

961% is the upper breakpoint

[shrewd fiber]

hey could you help me with this?

[visual stream]

getting that rn would cost me a arm and a leg ngl

[lilac notch]

Maybe, just got to white maps, what do you need help with?

I kinda dislike the corrupting fever thing it feels pretty jank ngl lol

[shrewd fiber]

are you running this build

[eager herald]

Do bonus objectives matter without atlas passives in phrecia?

[lilac notch]

yep, prolly gonna drop it tho

[shrewd fiber]

oh aw, why so

[whole bluff]

Do you have increased action speed?

[visual stream]

nope

[whole bluff]

Rip

2 frame stuns it is then

[eternal lance]

Quick q, any PS account I have cannot be ported over to PC?

[lilac notch]

as I said

the corruptled blodo stuff is jank

[brazen vector]

yep

[eternal lance]

RIP

Same case for POE2?

[shrewd fiber]

is ele hit reliant on corrupting fever to work?

[lilac notch]

Kinda

see chat

[brazen vector]

yep, Sony issue

[whole bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[eternal lance]

Double rip

[brazen vector]

(they hate their customers)

[eternal lance]

Not keen re-buying all those packs

[visual stream]

welp igs getting one with 600 or 700 should be the same now

saving for 961 then

[spark bramble]

anyone knows what spectre is this?

first time using raise spectre

[visual stream]

carnage chieftan

im pretty sure

[spark bramble]

how do you get one?

[visual stream]

act 2 or act 6-7

descerate them

[spark bramble]

thanks how about pale seraphim?

how do you get one

[whole bluff]

Hmm. I honestly don't remember the math, but guessing from memory:
350ms stun animation
33ms frame time

• 350ms/11<33ms <=> 350ms < 363ms
• (2 frames) 350ms/x<66ms <=> 350ms/66ms < x

So for 2 frame, you need like 430%

[visual stream]

pake seraphim is a beyond monster

either join 6666 and ask them

or try find it from ore/ beyond in maps

[whole bluff]

Foulborn dream fragments almost makes your stuns 2-frame

Big part of the way at least

[visual stream]

i see

wait when i unequip my specter gems all corpes dissapear ?

i thought they fix it

[whole bluff]

And it makes you chill immune, so almost just temp chains making your stuns slower

[sleek barn]

you should do it in town

its semi reliable in hideout

the only thing they changed was if they die by taking damage they get turned into temporary orbs for that instance

moving around the spectre gem is still annoying

[whole bluff]

They should honestly make them appear in a remove only tab

[visual stream]

i go to einhard and unequip it

all corpes gone

[whole bluff]

Even if that makes it resellable

[sleek barn]

what spectres were they?

[brazen vector]

should make specters bound to the specter gem instead, account bound like in poo2

[visual stream]

turtle spirit fourtune and forest warrior

lucky i dont use tiger god bless my souls

[sleek barn]

forest warrior is from acts ?

idk ab turtle spirit

those don't sound like ritual corpses

they should be in your desecrate pool

[split maple]

i think they are ritual

[brazen vector]

spirit of fortune

[sleek barn]

oh yeah

forest warrior is

rip then

try scavenging the floor with your corpse highlight key

if it ain't there it either got consumed by something or just never dropped

[sleek barn]

i see

[icy zinc]

lvling ring git

[sleek barn]

i only knew ab turtle lmao

[split maple]

@visual stream you need these in keepers or phrecia?

if in keepers you can have them

[sleek barn]

alcohol

[brazen vector]

Zoo Collection

[visual stream]

im in phrecia :(((

[icy zinc]

shit man, wheres the minion stuff in genesis tree

bone ring 🙏

[visual stream]

there arent

just pray

[pulsar vault]

No death during campaign, no death against bosses, death agains't Molten Sheel Goatmens :(

[icy zinc]

i guess

[sleek barn]

the goatmen raah

[pulsar vault]

I think there is no build that can tank a full group of goatmen with molten shell

[brazen vector]

well, you can tank them

[hoary scarab]

just have 99.6% block

[brazen vector]

well, not "you" you

[pulsar vault]

Naaah that's cheating

Goatmen should have "Damage cannot be blocked" :))

[icy zinc]

i prayed

(its shit)

[scarlet jacinth]

Has anyone tried the syndicate bargain strat yet?

[brazen vector]

I bargained with the syndicate to not show up again, does that count?

[scarlet jacinth]

Nope not what i was after

[pulsar vault]

Im currently trying it but I dont have enough idols to be good

[brazen vector]

@split maple do you happen to have a source for temple vial drop rates?

[split maple]

check tytyos: https://www.reddit.com/r/quotemeifstare/comments/1fg1or1/incursion_uniques/

[scarlet jacinth]

Is it any good or?

[pulsar vault]

Currently no but the syndicate house are good so

[scarlet jacinth]

U got the fancy idols on it or?

[brazen vector]

hmmm

[pulsar vault]

Not now, It's quite bad with my setup currently :(

[icy zinc]

1% inc attack speed per accuracy dreamfeather increasing in price geometrically

was 5 div now 15 div

funi

[stone elk]

(Phrecia)
I like harvest. Is there a good idol setup worth around 3 div for me to start farming it? Much appreciated!

I don't need giga returns for now, just consistent ones until I can upgrade further

[blissful zodiac]

so how the fuck

do we get remnant of corruption now

[icy zinc]

you never needed

vaal orb

[blissful zodiac]

unless they making so vaal orbs do it

like in poe 2

so whats the point of remnants then

also thank god for the enrage nerf

shit was free real estate for rouge exiles

[civic charm]

What's that?

[split maple]

they forgot to remove them from idols

[scarlet jacinth]

Stacking the hell out of Syndicate bargain. So idols for more items, more often to show up bargains and scarab less common

[split maple]

last hotfix they wont drop anymore

if you have it on idol, instead of remnant vaal orb drops

[limpid prairie]

Does that scale with map tier?

If it's scarabs it can't be that bad

[icy zinc]

big pharma doesnt want you to know their farms

[blissful zodiac]

so they can rmt

stop rmting @split maple

I saw u buy that mirror for 200$

[split maple]

i cannot help myself cmon

[scarlet jacinth]

Honestly not a clue spotted it a idol setup for like 40d, It was that strat. it mainly had me curious if anyone tried it that's all

[split maple]

make genesis tree have idol wombgifts with mini atlas tree that makes them more likely to spawn some mechanic

[nimble cedar]

During eater of world laser phase. What should i do?