1┃general

[uneven gust]

whats the strat foir gold now, alva?

[fickle glen]

Ok ty

[drowsy eagle]

curse immune holy

[short prairie]

curse immune holy

[uneven gust]

firmly

it

[hard oar]

WHat's with the weird looking socket

[uneven gust]

abyssal socket
can jsut get wiht fossil craft, so its not worth the atlas/idol points
the other option, 5-6 mod corrupted jewels can yeild better ersults

[hard oar]

there's some stuff I've never seen in previous leagues. This socket or unique enemies that have runes instead of names too.

Gotcha, thanks!

[uneven gust]

harbingers, thye work as a 4 wave summoner events(each wave is 1/4 the harbis hp) simmilar to a strongbox.they drop curency shards (that auto convert into orbs when droped in piles)

[hard oar]

How did I not see either of that, considering I've played a few leagues before, is beyond me lol

[uneven gust]

due to weird meta knowlege, maps "event tiles" (determined by map base) have been "eating" possible harbinger spawns on "open" maps, so they have ben shadow-capped with this league mechanic(about 8-10 is ok, any more might be eaten eeven though the map has moreevent tiles

[hard cliff]

that's crazy

good job

[uneven gust]

thats also why maps seem to have league mechanics in similar areas each time wven though map gen is "random"

[hard oar]

Previous league (merc?) wasn't as invasive, yet I still haven't seen any harbs there either

[granite nexus]

they do not naturally occur. you need to add them via the tree, scarabs, or map device option

[hard oar]

That....does make sense, thanks for clarifying.

[restive path]

Is anyone hosting a PoE 1 Private league now? I'm in the mood for some PoE 1 but don't really want to play Phrecia because I dislike Idols

[split maple]

"Lowered the Thaumaturgic Dust cost for Recombinating Idols by 75% and the Gold cost by 50%" that's a lot more than I expected gg

[drowsy eagle]

I wish they kept gold cost

[fickle glen]

Hey, do marks count towards the curse limit or are they their own thing?

[split maple]

They count yea

[fickle glen]

Dang

If stats like “double damage” and “triple damage” chance proc at the same time would it be quad damage or penta?

[uneven gust]

BECOME CRAB

[split maple]

Triple

[fickle glen]

So the only the highest applies?

[split maple]

Yea if they both proc on same hit

[fickle glen]

Kind of weird that they placed those two right next to each other in the perk tree

Kinetic impact and two handed mastery

[gritty garnet]

well you can always pick a different 2h notable to pair the triple mastery damage with

[tranquil sedge]

where's that on the tree

[restive nova]

i keep getting kicked out to main menu when i enter map portals or change town, any way to fix this? tried wifi mobile data vpn and cleared cache also reverified the game files but nothing worked

[tranquil sedge]

have you tried connecting to a different realm at login

[restive nova]

other server also same

this issue recently started

it was very low at first but now its almost after every map

[next quartz]

me as well - i think it's a server problem

[fickle glen]

Marauder tree area

[tranquil sedge]

i c

[jaunty coral]

is there gonna be a new league after phrecia?

[tranquil sedge]

3.28 is expected in early march and there are no reported plans to stop poe1 development

so, yes.

[jaunty coral]

Gotcha thanks!! I guess the chance of extension of Phrecia is slim

[copper vale]

Is it right after phrecia ends

[tranquil sedge]

phrecia ends 19 feb, early march still gives them enough time to extend it by like 2 weeks if they wanted to

[copper vale]

Ic

[tranquil sedge]

technically even more if they really wanted to, early march could mean all the way till like mid-month lol

but yea thats all just player copium from phrecia enjoyers

no official announcements about extension

[hybrid harness]

phrecia doesn't have that many daily players, in 2 weeks I doubt enough people will care about it being extended for it to happen

rather have 3.28 asap

[opaque sphinx]

cant afford dfeather but this should be playable at least

managed to throw it together for about 6d

[tranquil sedge]

is that a %int synth ring

[hybrid harness]

I like the name

[tranquil sedge]

how cheap was that lol

that ur whole build is <6d

[opaque sphinx]

base was 30c cuz low ilvl

[tranquil sedge]

wat ilvl

[opaque sphinx]

its only 83

[tranquil sedge]

most synth rings will be <85 or whatever t1 wed requires

that's normal

[split maple]

can someone mathcheck me there - grab 2 idols, each with desired suffix and trash suffix. 4 suffixes in pool = 90% for 2 suffix on result. Ignoring mod weights for a sec there are 3 possible 2-suffix results -> so to get desired suffixes its 1/3 * 0.9 = 30%. alternative clean first into isolated suffix (~50% on cleanup attempts using predictable), into one suffix + one suffix = 33% for two suffix. so working with isolated mods there is barely better than not even when ignoring cleanup odds. Now this prolly only holds for mods with sane weights + if going for 3mod idols its prolly good idea to clean off prefixes and shit, but still.

[tranquil sedge]

coz most of them are from drops, not ppl intentionally rerolling higher ilvl rings with harvest/vulture

[split maple]

phrecia is dex stackTM not int stackTM

[next quartz]

is anyone else getting 'failed to connect to instance' over and over and over?

it can't jjust be me?

[finite quail]

make a new instance

[tranquil sedge]

couple people reported it just a bit up in chat yea

try new instance ^

control+click to do that

[opaque sphinx]

no its int

[next quartz]

i can't even join my server

[opaque sphinx]

its just a helical or w/e usually better

even misted map rings

[tranquil sedge]

i like the state of heist rings atm ngl

[opaque sphinx]

yeah i like the variety

[tranquil sedge]

it makes synth more affordable for mid levels

and it has variety ^^^^^

normal rings, synth rings, and 25%/50% heist rings

[tranquil sedge]

rings are in a nice spot

[tranquil sedge]

yep

[opaque sphinx]

belt base was 1.5d but got dummy lucky crafting it

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[opaque sphinx]

hit the suff in 3 essence and, hit the es on first bristle veiled c, and slammed wed

ngl i think i spent more on the stupid hungry loop than any other piece of gear

some knob put this up with crafted fire res for 40c

besides the implicits

idk about 6 link just socket so it was a steal

bought the base for 10c and hit the prefixes within a couple ess

slammed minion gems cuz why not of course

[tranquil sedge]

tree is truly cursed content

dead game if it goes core lol

[opaque sphinx]

fr

gearing is stupid with it

op cluster

[split maple]

the lil annoyance finaly gave me 1000dps bow yesterday 😛

[opaque sphinx]

noice

this one im rlly happy w/ tho

bis starter cluster

this is where i'd put my split personalities...

[tranquil sedge]

if you want one

get one

then you will have one

ez 👍

[opaque sphinx]

expensive

[tranquil sedge]

yknow how ppl were saying server issues earlier

[opaque sphinx]

even int/life is 55c and its cheapest

[tranquil sedge]

my poe is stuck at 97% updating on steam lol

and it won't proceed further

[opaque sphinx]

thats so sad

time to reinstall

[tranquil sedge]

nty

just wait until they fix their broken shit

[lucid gale]

Conten't

[glad stream]

In regards to phyrecia, I have all the third edict chests, do I get four Atlantis boxes in total for hitting 50 and 90?

[opaque sphinx]

not bad tooltip

now we need find an aul

then simu prison

[lavish fiber]

When is the Phrecia 2.0 event supposed to end? POE website says Feb 19th..google and maxroll says April 23rd..?

[sand glen]

19th

[visual stream]

they better cooking 3.28 good

[sand glen]

cooking league

[whole bluff]

Meh, 6d jewel didn't sell

[eternal dawn]

when is it safe to take the node that makes you immune to chaos damage

[whole bluff]

Makes sense considering it's a 55c base with some alts and regals and a missed exalt, but meh still

[crimson spear]

I'd say wait until at least act 5. Not sure.

[whole bluff]

When you have significantly more life than you would have usually been recommended to have imo

[copper vale]

When u have at least 4K energy shield

[visual stream]

when u have decent ways recover es

[tranquil sedge]

you mean energy shield not life

[finite quail]

when you have atleast 3-4k es and a stable source of es recovery

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[tranquil sedge]

3-4k sounds way too little honestly

[copper vale]

But the node turn ur life to 1?

[tranquil sedge]

for CI

[visual stream]

3-4k is a start imo u still need decent es regent

[whole bluff]

If you would be in t1 maps, 3k life might be OK in softcore, at least for me, so then I'd say 4k ES, for example

[tranquil sedge]

yea but if ur that early you might as well just continue playing life lol

not like chaos gonna be some huge damage source that early on

[visual stream]

true

[eternal dawn]

im stuck at the boss in act 9

[tranquil sedge]

tho nothing stops u doing ci that early if u want, just that its harder

[tranquil sedge]

throw yourself at it until it dies

as it won't regen hp

[visual stream]

have u try hit harder

ggg already nerf enrage tho

[drowsy eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-wizard-marvel-dormammu-gif-16536908

[visual stream]

just play absolution lol

[eternal dawn]

theres like 5 bosses out and i die as soon as i step inside

[nimble cedar]

how to make idol with 3-4 modifier that you want?

[visual stream]

dont get hit

[visual stream]

recomb

and pray

[drowsy eagle]

recombobulator

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I feel like there should be a decent extra type of life mod on shields

[nimble cedar]

i just lose 40c on that aaaaa

20% feels liek 0%

[visual stream]

u double until u get it

[barren river]

imho idols should be craftable with standard currency

[nimble cedar]

so thats why good i dol is on divine level

[drowsy eagle]

tbh ask at #1┃new-player-in-campaign-help if you want real answers

[whole bluff]

Idk how crammed shield prefixes are, but for example a 100 weight ilvl 86 mod with either 20% life, or a suffix on ES shields with like 60% of ES from this item converted to life

[split maple]

at least they should be divinable

[finite quail]

in ssf, yeah sure

[split maple]

like having to drop/gamba perfect rolls is pain

[finite quail]

In trade, no

[nimble cedar]

you guys recombine idol to get 3 or more desired suffix or ok with just 2?

[visual stream]

i dont recomb

that sht expensive

[barren river]

cringe

[uneven gust]

patch released today lowered the cost for idols

[nimble cedar]

cost for recom?

[visual stream]

dust and gold cost lower

[drowsy eagle]

75% less dust and 50% less gold

[visual stream]

i havent see how much its cost rn

[nimble cedar]

i wish its on day 1

[whole bluff]

Or like:

• Big life % prefix on all shields, with low weight, highest tier ilvl 86 req
• Evasion shields idk if maybe extra suppression or something suffix (low weight)
• Armour shields % of life gained as armour suffix
• ES shields "big % of ES from this item instead applies to life" (low weight)
• Hybrid items have both mods available at half weight
  ?

[split maple]

predictable is like 5k/5k ish for 2mod, unpredictable is now like 10k/40kish depending on mods etc a tad

so like you can do one recomb attempt per nonjuicy map of gold

[drowsy eagle]

recomb food might get more expensive?

[uneven gust]

yes

[drowsy eagle]

cause people recombing more

[uneven gust]

blues are infintily more valuable than rares

[split maple]

idk, folks gonna recomb more than in keepers but also unique farming strats in phrecia are stronger

so both bigger supply and demand

[visual stream]

harvest never wilth gonna cost 5 dv

[split maple]

for dust

[visual stream]

mark my word

[uneven gust]

juice determines the price of the idols

[split maple]

prolly at most 2x

since you can isolate suff/pref with 50% chance usually

[uneven gust]

for a gaurenteed recomb for a mirror idol in some niche cases

[split maple]

recomb doesnt care if item is blue or yellow

it only cares about number of mods

[uneven gust]

Prefix+suffix=gaurenteed, no?

[split maple]

is it? single mod idols are possible

so 1 + 1 should still be 1 in 3 to win

[opaque sphinx]

ez

[split maple]

and 2mod idol will never be mirror lol

[uneven gust]

1 mod

??????

[split maple]

idk rly what you mean by guaranted

[uneven gust]

recombing an item with a prefix only +item with suffix onnly?

[split maple]

is 1 in 3 to get both mods?

if idols are exception there i would rly like to see at least 10 sample tries on video 😄

[opaque sphinx]

wtf u posted that and i just dropped this

[split maple]

way to one up the dude

well +2% up

[opaque sphinx]

i just thought it was weird

[visual stream]

its a sign

u better gamba

[drowsy eagle]

I've been gambaing all day

10 conq idols per map

[uneven gust]

so its a full dyhybrid cross with idols then

okayyyy thats weird

[nimble cedar]

how

[uneven gust]

map bosses drop idol
destructive play+city square/beach/racecourse/temple

if you have am helm slot free, wear trigraves

[drowsy eagle]

gold farm strat

[visual stream]

im still sticking with expidition rn

but even with 2 95% chance for tujen the dude still avoid me like plague

[whole bluff]

It's just weight, the pool grows from the little guys increased weight

If baseline it would be like 31% Gwennen, 27% Rog, 23% Tujen, 19% Dannig, increased chance of Tujen is a case of GGG actually not writing correct English in what that does

[final owl]

Farrul or Oshabi for bloodline on oshabi KF. who has an opinion.

[vital bough]

I just got to 90 with eblade incinerate. While the build feels strong, I'm not really liking the feeling of incinerate or using frostblink for mapping. Is there some other skill I can pivot to with eblade setup?

[final owl]

kinda hard to think of anything that is better than properly supported low cd fbowb tbh

[whole bluff]

100% inc chance of Tujen would make the odds, hypothetically:
Gwen: 31% /(100%+23%)
Rog: 27% /(100%+23%)
Tujen: 23% /(100%+23%)
Dannig: 19% /(100%+23%)

[fickle glen]

Seeing how this game’s build is very versatile, it got me wondering… is there a way to change a skill’s function from cast time to instant?

[whole bluff]

Idk what baseline odds are though

[vital bough]

its not really an issue with the clear speed, its just that i get dizzy looking at it lol

[shrewd fiber]

Does anyone know why the witchmark runegraft price is going up instead of down? Especially to such crazy high degrees

[vital bough]

like i said, i have no issue with the build's strength

[fickle glen]

Greed

[whole bluff]

Lifestacker archmage or something? Bog shaman looks overtuned, so my guess would be that's why

[final owl]

well. idk what you can do tbh, outside of get MB and just be fast enough without using movement skills. do you have a shield? is shield charge a problem?

[shrewd fiber]

But shouldnt people use them once = demand goes down? And the supply should be steady

It started at 100c and now its 30d

[whole bluff]

People might still be realising how OP it is

And lost shipments bug fixed

[shrewd fiber]

Ohhhhhh

Was there a bug stopping people from getting them?

[whole bluff]

No, there was a bug giving people infinite crops

[tranquil sedge]

what does that bug have to do with witchmark

[whole bluff]

Reward from kingsmarch

[tranquil sedge]

oh like that

right

[livid quarry]

crops give runes?

[final owl]

runegrafts from rune ports tattoos from the green ports

[tranquil sedge]

crops give currency
but depending on which ports you ship to, you get additional rewards based on what they offer

ngakanu gives tattoos, for example

[final owl]

there are obvs rare tatts worth spicey $$$ as well

[tranquil sedge]

and that reward is just based on shipment value pretty much

[final owl]

idk which is the obvious choice in phrecia 2.0

[whole bluff]

Is there an in game source of tattoos aside from kingsmarch? I know all runegrafts are kingsmarch sourced

[tranquil sedge]

nope

would be healthy to have another source probably

[fickle glen]

Does 100% reduced mana cost makes mana skills free? Even with support gems?

[tranquil sedge]

shipping and lost shipments are the only sources*

but both are kingsmarch stuff kinda

[whole bluff]

Ah, fair enough

[pulsar dune]

Yes

[shrewd fiber]

Is elemental hit possible to run on an ancestral commander?

What guide would i follow to try and achieve this

[final owl]

i think in poe generally it's better to think about should i rather than could i. anything is possible

[shrewd fiber]

Well how viable would it be then

[split maple]

deathbeam was brainstorming in this chanel ancom setup with someone, looked pretty sweet

ctrl-f for yesterday

[shrewd fiber]

Im this channel?

In

[split maple]

scroll from this msg on

someone did most of the work of adapting this pob from slayer to ancom already

[shrewd fiber]

Do you remember who it was?

[split maple]

if you click this part of msg

it will jump you directly to convo

[whole bluff]

Damn, TIL ty. I didn't know how to follow forwards, only message links. This will be useful 👍

I tried clicking top before and just went like "man this was a shitty discord feature"

[drowsy eagle]

I tried to click the Forwarded too

[whole bluff]

The arrow is at the top, but it doesn't do anything 😅

[tranquil sedge]

ye its not intuitive

esp. when replies let u just click at the top lol

[whole bluff]

Yeah

They should move the arrow to the part you click, or make it all coherent with how replies work

[split maple]

wish granted, reply button will now be elegantly hidden too

[soft perch]

excited to play slayer ele hit next league

[tranquil sedge]

jonathan's in charge of discord too?

[split maple]

that part rly feels like ggg design 😄

inspired by bestiary i bet

[soft perch]

inb4 ele hit gets nerfed somehow

🚬

[frigid wedge]

i still havent bloody decided what content to do

[tranquil sedge]

ur not playing ele hit next league

[frigid wedge]

help

[tranquil sedge]

so they wont nerf it

[soft perch]

why not

ive been itching to play it for a while

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-can-see-you-2

[tranquil sedge]

no u havent

[soft perch]

its just none of the phrecia ascendancies seem that good for it

fine.

[drowsy eagle]

snipe idols and sell sets on tft

[tranquil sedge]

-# you never tell the game what you want or want to do

[soft perch]

i might play another phrecia build

[tranquil sedge]

rules for poe succes number 1 - droprates are skewed against what you want, always

[soft perch]

im undecided

[tranquil sedge]

so u always pretend u dont want it

i dont want mirror drops, for example

[soft perch]

thinking of kboc oshabi with empty blue sockets everywhere lmao

[tranquil sedge]

and i definitely dont want an undo of the battle mage's cry nerf

[soft perch]

i just kinda wanna go MoM on it and idk how to get spellslinger tornado and eternal blessing grace

[tranquil sedge]

definitely dont wanna play venom gyre bmc with redblade banner

[frigid wedge]

banned

[soft perch]

i hope they unbrick bmc

[frigid wedge]

i need to swap to spark tbh

[split maple]

thats kinda a lot of flat

[tranquil sedge]

yea :x

[tranquil sedge]

try it yolo

[visual stream]

hmm is the leveling with the foulborn unquie helmet with impending doom level 30 still good to speed run the campaing guys ?

[frigid wedge]

yes

nothing changed

[tranquil sedge]

jokes aside tho
should be fun

[soft perch]

ya

[visual stream]

can duelist use it ? he seem abit far from the spell nodes no ?

[split maple]

going for squire?

[soft perch]

probably

[split maple]

kinda sadge you cannot throw arcane cloak somewhere without lossing 1 of ascendancy bonuses

[soft perch]

wdym

[split maple]

like you cannot have all of gloves, body, helmet, boots empty

you need a 2l somewhere

[soft perch]

youd be crazy to not at least fill 4 of one items sockets

[split maple]

yes

[frigid wedge]

how many idols do you guys drop per map?

[split maple]

ig kboc 6l in wand and squire, then one 4l for arcane cloak - automation, spellslinger - tornado and use an unset ring for clarity just for watcher

[soft perch]

well oshabi needs grace

[split maple]

sure two unset rings

[tranquil sedge]

hungry looper

[soft perch]

but then all your mana is reserved

[frigid wedge]

mechanical belt

[split maple]

and drop automation for purity of lightning for fbl choir and press arcane cloak manually pretending its ergonomic

[frigid wedge]

[soft perch]

but my untouched soul

[split maple]

is there any function in pob to add gems to hungry loop?

or its custom edit time

[frigid wedge]

p sure its just custom edit unfortunately

u could just make a link group tho

[soft perch]

i will not be using the hungry loop that item is bad

[frigid wedge]

its not that bad

what are we even tryna do rn tho

[grand flint]

whats a good farm to earn currency on early mapping like tier3-5?

[soft perch]

untouched soul oshabi kboc

[frigid wedge]

why oshabi tho

how are u scaling

[soft perch]

good scaling

fast

evasion stacking and mana

[split maple]

man why cannot i use fbl choir and untouched soul at same time

[frigid wedge]

are u just pretending to be a deadeye

[soft perch]

i think oshabi is a really good ascendancy

[frigid wedge]

yes

[soft perch]

shrines are strong

[frigid wedge]

but i meant in terms of setup

[soft perch]

a normal oshabi setup for wander

but with untouched soul and empty blue sockets + clicking mana nodes on tree while pathing around

[frigid wedge]

ew blue nodes

[whole bluff]

So you skip loop and get a helm or glove or boot for your 6L?

[frigid wedge]

white socket it man

get real

;P

[soft perch]

squire

[whole bluff]

Ah

And then utility skills in unset rings?

Aura from some affix?

[uneven gust]

reminder that the statues arte "all natural"

[whole bluff]

Vanilla statues?

[uneven gust]

they dont wear pants

[whole bluff]

Ah, naturist statues

Though they're made out of like thaumetic cement

[uneven gust]

https://tenor.com/view/pathofexile-path-of-exile-path-of-exile-gif-20102889

me doing map completion^

[rancid tendon]

i finnally started intstacking yippie

[uneven gust]

reminder of this lifehack

[frigid wedge]

whats the life hack

[uneven gust]

2mod map for completion so its ez to run

[frigid wedge]

right

im p sure im always gonna 8 mod convert it

[uneven gust]

if thats not the desired result you cna usually lsit 8mods for a bit

[frigid wedge]

ehh

maybe

i gotta pick a strat to run tbh

but idrk what to do

maybe I farm 8 mods

[uneven gust]

can do atlas-less content like blight maps sanctum heist delve, or can go with juice/essence for steady

ultimatum is great for lazy

[frigid wedge]

yeah i just wanna actually use idols tbh

last phrecia i didnt properly

[uneven gust]

im doing {{HYPERLINK BLOCKED}}

[frigid wedge]

i havent made the swap to my actual build but my attack time w my slam rn is so long i get 1 tapped halfway through the animation

so i dont rlly wanna stay on the slam

[uneven gust]

legion is profitable but id wait on selling emblems maybe, depends on if the lv 90 carries are going to be a thing, or if somone finds a new build then rerolls theyl want 5way for leveling

[frigid wedge]

maybe

i mean ig spark does most things

so i should try it

[uneven gust]

swap KBC for legion tbh

[frigid wedge]

but i gotta swap first

[frigid wedge]

yeah but the spark i wanna play bricks the second the league ends

bc it requires graft and antiquarian

[uneven gust]

exactly why kbc is worth investing into

[frigid wedge]

wut

[uneven gust]

kbc is meta in keeprs too so you cna continue to play

[frigid wedge]

yeah but i dont wanna make a whisperer

plus im happy w my keepers build

[uneven gust]

ah ok

i miss wolf leveling

[frigid wedge]

the sparker is mostly just to take as much advantage of what we have atm

[uneven gust]

ah ok

gl

[frigid wedge]

mm

i either lose a weapon slot or i cant use spark gloves to go es

._.

i think

unless im missing % es per str somewhere

i think its just doon and stouch

[brazen vector]

Get 3rd ring for squirming terror, always good

[frigid wedge]

i have 2 ascendancy points

[torpid palm]

anyone here playing reverse chill cyclone by Lokati?

[empty bronze]

why the hell does an orb of regret reduce a gem to level 1 instead of the orb of scouring

they are the wrong way round

the orb of regret should reduce its level by 1

[brazen vector]

You scour one layer of the gem

[split maple]

@soft perch i am not rly good at that sorta pobing, but idk how to get both enough increased mana and evasion on tree (unlink arcane cloak from spellslinger for 600 more mana lol)

cooked that sadness: https://pobb.in/1S8jJdg37e0b

[nimble cedar]

when craft "weapon can have up to 3 crafting modifier" is that mean 3+this affix or 2+1 this affix?

[split maple]

2+1 this affix

its 3 in total including "weapon can have..."

[nimble cedar]

ty

[brazen vector]

It used to be "3 + this affix" ages ago, but was nerfed to "2+ this affix"

[lucid gale]

Maybe more about how rare the currency is rather than thematic relevance.

A regret from vendor is 2x scours, after all.

[whole bluff]

I think it's good you have both scour and regret interacting with gems and doing different things. And regrets being "more powerful" it makes sense that they have a bigger effect

Just because scours have a bigger use in the current iteration of the game so sometimes surpassing regrets in value, doesn't mean regrets are from the start below scours

[empty bronze]

except i used the wrong one and forgor to check

:(

[scarlet jacinth]

Huh regret reduces to lvl 1??

[whole bluff]

Yup

[lucid gale]

[empty bronze]

thankfully it was just a clarity so i could just buy another one

[scarlet jacinth]

Here i just throw scours at it..

[brazen vector]

TIL2

[tranquil sedge]

wonder if its worth losing the internal consistency to flip the recipes around tbh

[bold scarab]

Worthless in the base game but so glad we can freely use the little regrets we have in ruthless on gems

[tranquil sedge]

like scour sounds like it should brick the gem to 1
and regrets sound like they should de level by 1

[bold scarab]

Helps with the support gem situation so you can delevel them for alts

[whole bluff]

I think as long as regrets cost 2 scours, they should do the bigger thing

[tranquil sedge]

consistency is good but every single time this topic comes up u always have ppl who go 'wat'

coz of them not doing what it sounds like they should do

[lucid gale]

I've used the wrong thing every now and then but have gotten used to verifying in the trade window.

[whole bluff]

Ah, that is a fair point

[tranquil sedge]

true at least the output is visible before confirming

[lucid gale]

At this point, it's probably more detrimental to swap them as you can't effectively inform everyone relevant about it.

[bold scarab]

If only you could reverse buy with stuff ... Like turn orbs of unmaking back into 2 regrets

[tranquil sedge]

you can't effectively inform everyone relevant about it.
i'd say patch notes
but then im not an exception to the 'players are too stupid to read' generalization either

[whole bluff]

I think regrets role in current poe1 is questionable, but as is I think a flip would only make sense based on names

[wind axle]

i agree with this, regrets are "more expensive" so they should keep selling gems back to lvl 1

[tranquil sedge]

wdym questionable

[whole bluff]

We have gold respecc

[tranquil sedge]

regrets are still the superior way to respec once ur not a broke bitch

[whole bluff]

I know

[bold scarab]

Regrets are meaningless ... Outside of respec ascendancy since you can't use gold in the lab

[tranquil sedge]

unless ur swimming in gold

this is not fun at endgame

[lucid gale]

Introduce more currencies, stretch those currency tabs 😛

[tranquil sedge]

they're not useless because gold respec sucks at high levels

[bold scarab]

No we do not need currency teirs like poe2

[scarlet jacinth]

Currency tabs above to look like the essence tabs

[lucid gale]

My favourite currency is Orb of Unmaking in Phrecia.

[tranquil sedge]

dude i swear how did they try to simplify the game and end up with it looking even more complicated lmao
and every crafting step is now 2 items at a time (omen + currency) instead of just 1 item

[brazen vector]

Give back delevel heisting

[tranquil sedge]

its fucking hilarious

[split maple]

Stocking up on them for keepers

[scarlet jacinth]

Mine is horizon orb

[bold scarab]

Altho I would love to get poe2 version of jewelers orbs

Uwu

[whole bluff]

In keepers I just bought like 2k blessed, 600 regrets, 2k unmaking, etc, once I had a good farm on fully unlocked atlas. I'd hate to have to use gold. But that's very much a thing of things having too high gold costs imo

[bold scarab]

I know we have the crafting table but that's way too expensive

[tranquil sedge]

then you'd need a new set of links to even try gems out lol

[brazen vector]

6 socket orbs would be cool

[tranquil sedge]

wat

[split maple]

Atlas respec has Sane Gold cost at least, passive tree on the other hand... 3mil at lvl100 for full respec is a bit much

[bold scarab]

1500 fusings and jewelers for a 6 link ... I forget 5 links

[tranquil sedge]

350 jewellers

not 1500

[bold scarab]

For 6?

[tranquil sedge]

and those things drop in price dramatically by just week 1

yes.

[split maple]

And omen of jeweler is a thing

[tranquil sedge]

jeweler orbs are trash currency lol after week 1-3
depending on your sense of worth

[scarlet jacinth]

There is always corrupt + tainted fusing if its unique, or buy omens

[split maple]

And there is also beastcraft recipe for 6sock

[bold scarab]

I just despise the socket pressure in poe1

[tranquil sedge]

not to mention the more important reason their system sucks
it ties sockets to gems

want to try a new 6 link gem?

[whole bluff]

Jewllers cost a ton of gold though. That is very annoying

[tranquil sedge]

time to get new links entirely

[bold scarab]

Both getting socket number and socket color is disgusting

[tranquil sedge]

good thing it costs very little

[bold scarab]

Especially when you need offcolors

Like a lot of offcolor

[tranquil sedge]

those are trivial to get with jewellers lol

[split maple]

Offcoloring is Royal pain true

[tranquil sedge]

eh

[split maple]

Yeah srev get me 5k jewelers

[tranquil sedge]

once u jeweler trick or tainted chrome

[split maple]

It makes 6linking feel trivial

[rose wraith]

hi guys. which PoB should I use on linux?

[tranquil sedge]

thats nothing in trade league

[bold scarab]

Getting 5 yellow on a strength int base

[tranquil sedge]

and ssf is irrelevant

[lucid gale]

Some day I'll stop picking up 6S/6L items just because they show up on the filter.

[bold scarab]

Or is it green

[tranquil sedge]

you literally just jeweller trick to the color you want lol

[bold scarab]

I have no clue kek yellow or green

[tranquil sedge]

you spend a few hundred jewellers and you have all the offcolors you want

[whole bluff]

It's a couple 100k gold, that part I don't like

[split maple]

How much Gold is that tho

[tranquil sedge]

i do think gold could use a reblance for many of the currencies in faustus

that part is true

[split maple]

Like you need what 4k jewelers avg for 5 offcolors

[tranquil sedge]

uh

that sounds way too high

[bold scarab]

Ye but then you have to fight with links on top of that

[tranquil sedge]

you aren't fighting anything

you literally just 6 link it at the end

[bold scarab]

Poe2 gems are just Soo much better ... It's effectively like having pre linked white sockets

[split maple]

It was smh like that for Smite necrotic in mercs

[tranquil sedge]

yea except the part where they cost a lot more

and you have to redo it every single time for a new skill

[soft perch]

no indigon sir

[whole bluff]

Idk about single high attri items, but double attri items are always 10% to off colour naturally

[tranquil sedge]

and you have to get one for every single gem because they balanced around having 6 links everywhere

[split maple]

Where damage then

[pulsar dune]

I'm still sad that POE2 still wants 6links

[bold scarab]

I don't even care about full 6 links in every slot ... Just the fact that colors are irrelivant and socket pressure is pretty minimal outside of extremes

[whole bluff]

So necrotic is always 10% to go red

[soft perch]

oshabi evasion stack

[tranquil sedge]

poe2's socket system could have been better than poe1
but its current implementation is cringe ass

poe1's sytem still way more chill for casuals than poe2

[bold scarab]

It's easily 100x better than poe1

[nimble cedar]

how do you fit 2 crafting table craft in a gear without "can have up to 3 modifier"

[bold scarab]

Honestly it was better than poe1 even back in 0.3

[brazen vector]

Enchant "+1 crafted modifier" from heist

[tranquil sedge]

by having a +1 crafted mod enchant on the item which is insanely rare

[bold scarab]

When you could only have 1 support still

[tranquil sedge]

in other words - you generally don't

if u want two crafted mods you start with can have 3 mods craft

its a pretty hot take tho for poe1
not surprised that ppl enjoy it in poe2 considering its the default way its there since the start

but the further jonathan keeps those ideas away from poe1 the better

[brazen vector]

You can also anul the 3 craft mod

[bold scarab]

also everyone bitches about the atlas but honestly the foundation of that atlas is the second best part after the change to support gems

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

it could have been better than poe1 atlas if they used some common sense

but they wanted to rush out 'endgame' for even 0.1

so they scuffed it from the start

[whole bluff]

So like, 5 red necrotic:

1. 2R -> 25 chrome
2. 3R -> flip up to 3s (3 jewellers?) and down to 2s (1 jeweller) × 10 -> 40 jewellers
3. 4R -> (3+10)×10=130
4. 5R -> (10+70)×10=800
5. Sum: 25 chromes, 970 jewellers

[tranquil sedge]

fixing a broken thing is harder than doing it right the first time

[nimble cedar]

this one?

[tranquil sedge]

that is just a single crafted mod

[scarlet jacinth]

Honestly i prefer idols

[tranquil sedge]

for the sake of convenience
just pretend what you asked for isn't possible

[next pawn]

woah first time seeing that

[tranquil sedge]

99% of the time that's how it'll be

[bold scarab]

The problem is people are asking for too much too tho ... They want poe1 levels of customization and while they could do better poe1 has gotten out of hand far too many times with that ... To the point that just spamming strands all day was actually a meta at one point

[nimble cedar]

damn 3 enchant need divine yet 2 not possible

damn

so i really need to grind for divine?

[whole bluff]

6th red costs: (70+350)×10=4200, or 350×10+70×9=4130, depending on your persepective

[tranquil sedge]

why not try to ask a different question to see if you can avoid that

which is - what do you want it for

wat are you tryna make/buy

[bold scarab]

Give biome tablets ... But keep the specific maps relatively random within that biomes tileset

[tranquil sedge]

if its available on trade directly, or something comparable, just buy that then

[bold scarab]

And use them on the towers owo

[tranquil sedge]

ppl play poe for choice - at least poe1, i won't comment on poe2
take away choice ofc ppl complain
and calling a game poe2 ofc poe1 players gonna play and say they dont like it

it isn't a surprise at all* that people dislike the system

[bold scarab]

Idk I love it ... Also the fact that you don't have to not spec into something to do something else

[nimble cedar]

i want to make wand withchaos modifier, its expensive if i want 3-4 affix i want in it so i think i will get 2 affix from shop and 2 from crafted bench. both are expensive af

[tranquil sedge]

if ur in early maps or something i suggest asking for help finding an item in #1┃after-acts-help
post what kinda wand u want and which league ur playing in maybe someone can help recommend

[nimble cedar]

tried to get 2 affix i want from genesis tree but i got 0

[tranquil sedge]

but if there's nothing on trade then ye you'll have to make one

[bold scarab]

The worst part of the poe1 mapping experience is that if you don't spec into a certain type of content most of the time it's just not worth even doing in the map

[tranquil sedge]

tho i find that unlikely

[scarlet jacinth]

1. Fracture, 2. Mod you roll for, then craft last 2. Thats an option

[split maple]

Yeah rly idk how to get on tree Both mana and evasion

[tranquil sedge]

the only difference in poe1 and poe2 in that regard you can spec all of it at once right?

except even that got solved when poe1 added 3 atlas trees simultaneously for the most part

[split maple]

It's stretched

Unless we go adorned shenaningas or smh

[bold scarab]

And yes I think it's fair that if you didn't invest into it it shouldn't be as good as if you did ... The problem is that investment is universal in poe1 so investing into one thing comes at the cost of everything else

Ye in poe2 you get a little 3.13 style tree for every major mechanic

[brazen vector]

Even in poe2 you need to invest into the mechanic you want to play via tablets at the cost of other mechanics not spawning at times

[bold scarab]

Ye but for the most part tablets are only there to control what mechanic spawns in the first place ... There's very little mechanic specific power in them

Outside of like ritual

[brazen vector]

Abyss

[split maple]

So how many trees does poe1 need then, 22?

[bold scarab]

It works alot like scarabs

[scarlet jacinth]

The only thing about poe2 that i find flawed is how the economy is right now. Without being able to spend enough time farming, you will fall behind on the overall price of upgrades / popular items. Which results in an unrewarding feeling.

Where as poe1 has the economy a bit different due to how certain currency items are used, making it actually possible to farm for items without them tripling in price in the meantime.

[tranquil sedge]

i personally think that poe2 is several steps back in overall game design across the board with few exceptions, and that taking inspiration from that to implement features in poe1 is an absolutely horrible take

and everything you say just reinforces my view about that, its clear from what you want as a poe2 player (based on your views) is basically not what poe1 is about lol, and since poe2 is a separate game then its even more weird to suggest those ideas for poe1 instead of just proposing ideas to make that game more of what it is instead

also some of your takes do feel really troll-like and when you couldn't even remember if yellow was a socket color in poe1 i think that wasn't a great look for you

idk im probably going to leave the conversation here and add you to ignore list seems best

[split maple]

Like that shrubbery thingie only works in poe2 due to lack of mechanics

[bold scarab]

Except poe1 economy always face plants into the mud anyway so there is no high ground to stand on

[tranquil sedge]

their game design is more reminescent of last epoch than it is of poe1 lol

[ocean field]

Is the damage blue because it is after the (230-260)% increased Physical Damage bonus has been applied?

[tranquil sedge]

look at all the things that last epoch is doing wrong to lose players and there's kind of a nice parallel to poe2 i think

[bold scarab]

Idk I can't tell if its yellow or green ... The gem is green ... But lightning rings are yellow

[scarlet jacinth]

Elaborate on that? Poe2 had most good uniques and chase items growing in price as league continues, where poe1 has the same issue yes, but allot of the mechanics around it also reward more currency due to them being required for the endgame (selling shovels to those who use em). And the chase items eventually remain at a fairly normal price.

[tranquil sedge]

if its blue
its because it was affected by the mods

so yes

if you want to see that for yourself just look at the normal white text on the basetype for that item

and do the math with the given mods

[ocean field]

ok what is the base and does other bonuses from thee apply to the base or after the weapon mods are applied

[tranquil sedge]

click it and find out

[bold scarab]

Nah we don't have that many mechanics ... Like 12 or so

[whole bluff]

I like being able to focus and choose what to do. If a map entry cost is balanced around league mechanics I don't wanna do, that's frustrating. But at the same time I understand if map entry cost isn't a balance factor there's no reason to remove points from one mechanic so you can add more to another

[bold scarab]

also give a tree for delve and lab owo

[tranquil sedge]

ultimately the reason most of these arguments suck is because they got what they wanted in poe2 lol

trying to backport that shit into a game that people aren't playing for weird stuff like that is pretty weird

[bold scarab]

That actually effects inside lab and delve and heist ... And not just gets you more entry tickets

[tranquil sedge]

like if we wanted that kind of gameplay the solution is just to play that game instead

[bold scarab]

Cuz that's all the current tree does right now for external mechanics

[scarlet jacinth]

I'm mostly curious how people that can't play for hours a day keep up with the economy in poe2. It seems impossible as prices of chase items don't stop rising at all

[tranquil sedge]

the rampant hyperinflation this league shouldn't be used as a baseline for statements like that, if you were basing it on that

[brazen vector]

Headhunter in 2 is pretty affordable now

[tranquil sedge]

they're printing currency they have almost no sinks for (div orbs here specifically)

in affliction even poe1 had some rampant inflation but it still wasn't nearly as bad as this

[bold scarab]

Things are unstable right now too because we just don't have everything yet

[lucid gale]

Divine all those implicits and timeless jewels 😄

[ocean field]

yeah so if i getting this right all bonuses from tree apply to the base right and not on the effective damage after weapon mods in essence 10% increased damage from tree will apply to Physical Damage: 19-74 and not Physical Damage: (62.7-68.4) to (244.2-266.4)

[hard oar]

I don't give a shit about economy, so I was just playing at my own pace. Last league econ was at a decent place though. Poe1 in comparison seems to have a lot tougher economy to work around with with the little interaction I've had with it

[tranquil sedge]

those mods on the item are local to your weapon brother

the blue number is your final weapon dps

thats what ur tree starts multiplying off of

[ocean field]

oh

[tranquil sedge]

local mods first

global afterwards

[ocean field]

ohh

i didn't know this thanks

[bold scarab]

Up until we got async trade in poe1 I would agree ... Now tho they are about the same ... Except poe2 still prices things in exalts which are more common than poe1 chaos

[scarlet jacinth]

Not using this league as an example, but previous leagues items especially those sought after would continue to rise without stopping. My argument is really all about the fact that its difficult to keep up with inflation as there is a lack of currency sinks or mechanics to farm that are needed by endgame players

[ocean field]

thought global and local were additive

[bold scarab]

Specifically prices for small things

[tranquil sedge]

ur argument is correct

[dusky void]

with the combo divine flesh and bog shamans 100% chance to be poisoned will every enemy always poison me so i have uptime on the 5 max res nearly all the time? and how deadly is the poison can i tank it if i have 5k life regen

[brazen vector]

Get unaffected by poison somewhere

[dusky void]

oh true maybe i have to sacrifice my boots for that

[scarlet jacinth]

Its all about "i want to farm for this 10d item" i farm for a few days and the item doubled in price, while the strat got maybe 20% extra price.

[bold scarab]

The problem is if you wait a few days you should expect it to go up a little

[brazen vector]

Its an essence suffix so you can still have triple t1 es prefixes

[bold scarab]

I mean or down a little depending on the item

But ye things do change

It's not like your buying from an npc

With fixed prices

[dusky void]

oh i thought prefix but suffix is ez to sacrifice suffixes are pretty useless

[tranquil sedge]

if u got a weapon with base attack speed 1
and u have 50% increased attack speed from tree (global)
its more benefical to roll 10% attack speed on the weapon than another 10% on the tree, if you had to choose between the two

⁨1*1.1*1.5 > 1*(1.5+0.1)⁩
@ocean field as an example

that is with aps but dps is similar reasoning

local increases are effectively multiplicative with global increases

[brazen vector]

Yep

[scarlet jacinth]

But that doesn't happen in poe2, thats my only argument as to why i dislike the game.

Chase items rise and inflation on them is higher then profit from non endgame high tier strats

[bold scarab]

Nah it happens there too ... The swings are just alot more drastic/volatile

[tranquil sedge]

controlling inflation is part of the job for the game designers/directors
so when they get around to adding more sinks to currency what you're experiencing will be balanced a bit better i think

but you'll prob have to wait until such a time 😛

[bold scarab]

Also more people playing poe2 will solve that too

When it goes f2p

[scarlet jacinth]

Honestly as soon as they fix the whole currency sink inflation problem I'll probably come back to it

[hard oar]

This league isn't really the best for chase items, last league was a perfect example of a decent economy. I was watching rakiata price swing both up and down throughout the league time, as it was being one of the chase items

[dusky void]

im so surprised how good life stack BV is i played acouple of builds this league but couldnt find a tanky build but life stack BV is INSANE just finished campgain 1 more level and im above 10k life and enemies MELT i even consider not using defiance of destiny 30% chaos explode chance with atm 150% aoe is MELTING

[hard oar]

Also, how the heck do people get 50k (or was it m?) for kingsmarch...I only ever get tiny amounts!

[bold scarab]

Now the community is divided between 2 different games ... And so the economy suffers in both ... Just more suffering in 2 because it's also locked behind a paywall for now

[tranquil sedge]

what are you talking about 50k of

50m yeah

well step 1 is that you only need 25 mil crops value not 50m

the other 25m is dust

[hard oar]

Ah, then the 50m of shipment worth....things.

[tranquil sedge]

you just put some gold in the treasury and let ur farmers farm

[hard oar]

Oh shit, dust as well? God damn it

[tranquil sedge]

a full set of t5 farmers will get you 25m crop value in ~8 days

[bold scarab]

Honestly when poe2 goes f2p ... Poe2 eco will get alot better ... And poe1 eco will get alot worse

[tranquil sedge]

you can then choose to optionally use 25m dust because it saves you another 8 days of farming

and because its cheaper to do that as well

you buy dust, it costs some divs, your average 50m shipment (25 + 25) gives you 2.5 mirror shards + 10-15 divs + tattoos

[bold scarab]

Just because more people will be able to leave 1 and go to 2

[tranquil sedge]

in general it is profitable, tho the div per hour is obviously very low

since its an afk activity

[hard oar]

Oooh, so it's a worthy investment then, thanks for the info!

[tranquil sedge]

it is absolutely a profitable investment but i should point out

• 2.5 shards is an average, it can be 0 or it can go up to 4-7, its rng
  but the average is still pretty good

• if you're doing this many times in a league, buy the dust early

[hard oar]

I'm not really after shards, just decent currency (divs, exalts, chaos)

[tranquil sedge]

50m shipments are mainly to farm mirror shards

if you want lower tier currency don't do that then

[bold scarab]

What is the poe1 equivalent of an exalted orb in poe2? ... Cuz it's definitely more common than our chaos

[hard oar]

I've never done kingsmarch properly, only ever dabbled in it and not got far

[tranquil sedge]

lower value blue zanthamum shipments to kalguur i think is the play to farm divs

lemme try to find esm's comment

[hard oar]

poe2 exalts are as common as scrolls of wisdom lmao

[bold scarab]

Nah that's too common

[tranquil sedge]

well its their equivalent of our chaos orb
so it has to be

here @hard oar

[scarlet jacinth]

Zanth is pretty much what I've been doing instead of the big shipments, works amazing. Usually its a few div a day from just sending the fairly cheap ships

[bold scarab]

Once you get below chaos it seems to fragment into a bunch of random small currencies in poe1

[hard oar]

Awesome, you're a star 🌟

[bold scarab]

Like alchs or chisels

[tranquil sedge]

^ yea don't think you're losing out a whole lot by doing blue zanth
it sounds very big 'farming mirror shards' until you realize like

ur getting ~2.5 shards per 8 days on avg

[bold scarab]

It's weird

[tranquil sedge]

its div/hr is giga low lol
like not even 1 div/hr lmfao

[bold scarab]

Poe2 tho chaos is basically as valuable as our chaos ... But we have an exalt which is like 1/4 of a chaos

[scarlet jacinth]

Honestly I'd say just play poe1 for yourself @bold scarab your messages at this point come off as poe2 good, poe1 bad.

[tranquil sedge]

added them to block earlier for the same reason its just shilling at this point

[bold scarab]

I mean to be fair ... It is kek ... But that's not what I was ever getting at

not in every way ... Just the ways that matter

[hard oar]

Neither game is good or bad, they're just 2 different yet similar games with the same main title

[bright viper]

Aqua has played a lot of poe1

[scarlet jacinth]

We've had the conversation about the differences, economy etc. At this point it really just seems like ragebait..

[bold scarab]

Ye I have A LOT of poe1 playtime kek ... Like probably 4k hours now cuz I didn't play through steam so no steam tracker

I think I just hit 1k in poe2

[soft perch]

honestly that part is fine, its more triggering tornado and keeping eternal blessing grace thats the hard part

[tranquil sedge]

u dont have to be that diplomatic either lol u can say something is good or bad

but yea having them both have the same title was certainly a marketing choice

[hard oar]

My time played for both PoE's doesn't compare to most people here I'd assume (ignore the 2 middle games lol)

[soft perch]

evasion is mostly just the int evasion node + evasion light of meaning

clicking evasion itself is not particularly useful

[bold scarab]

My poe1 steam tracker is only at like 400 hours kek ... I forget why I swapped to the standalone tho ... I think it was because of filters but not sure

That was like back in 2019 or so

[hard oar]

I'm not, I just see those 2 as different games that have their ups and downs 😄

[stuck phoenix]

Tacking on a 2 at the end is genuinely perfectly fine

It's a similar game

In the same world

[split maple]

i am trying to pob now adorned %mana %cold res with grasping mail moded chest

[stuck phoenix]

With the same lore

[split maple]

looks pretty good but pretty non-budget

[stuck phoenix]

And similar systems

[tough cove]

anyone knwo is quad white triad makes tornado of elemental turbulence do chaos damage instead of converting to random element?

[stuck phoenix]

And literally shared accounts

[soft perch]

🫡

[stuck phoenix]

And shared cosmetics

And shared purchases

And they didn't even retcon the Path of Exile title to be Path of Exile 1

[bold scarab]

I will say tho ... Poe2 deli feels so wrong now

[stuck phoenix]

Path of Exile 2 deserves to be called what it is

[drowsy eagle]

poe bad

[dusky void]

how dare you insult poe

[hard oar]

I want the breach tree to stay, I like my xesht-y clappy hands

[soft perch]

idk poe2 and poe1 are mostly the same game

[stuck phoenix]

If you want a genuinely frustrating title? Minecraft. Previously known as Minecraft: Bedrock Edition. And since Minecraft was already used, Microsoft retconned Minecraft to become Minecraft: Java Edition, as if it isn't the default

[tranquil sedge]

bido that's all fair

but either its different enough in enough ways that it might as well be a different game and have its own name or its not different enough to even be a separate game at all and should have just been its original update scope

i think that if ur making a sequel and it alienates enough of the original playerbase, even if the game's good then at least calling it name+1 is just harsh to the original fanbase

ur right that there's enough reasons to call it poe2

i still don't like it personally* 😛

[soft perch]

if u play poe2 for a reasonable amount of time u realise its just poe1 with less endgame systems and a lot of builds u just ignore for being too gimmicky

with a slightly harder campaign and a much easier endgame

[drowsy eagle]

it is, poe ruined my life, if I didn't play it and kept stuyding I could have been a doctor by now

[hard oar]

Most frustrating title would be the "Final Fantasy" - and that comes of a person that played all major titles. 🤣

[stuck phoenix]

No. It couldn't have been what it is with the scope of being an update. And if it isn't just an update, it can't really be the same game but better, because then there's no point having both.

[dusky void]

but now you can enjoy playing the best game in the world clearly a W

[stuck phoenix]

And it's absolutely not harsh to the original fanbase

[bold scarab]

Poe2 reminds me of terraria otherworlds ... It was going to be just terraria but like almost nothing like terraria besides the baseline sandboxyness

[split maple]

idk feels a bit squish, prolly intstack is better angle than coldres stack: https://pobb.in/138RuooNHjso

[bold scarab]

And then they just didn't release it

Sadge

But hey we're on 1.4.5 now kek ... The final final update

[soft perch]

i think shrine nodes + gull are very strong and should always be clicked

[bold scarab]

Until next year xD

[stray sedge]

am I missing something? This guy in global linked this to chat. That's a lock on there?

[split maple]

prolly drop spellslinging for them?

[split maple]

one betrayal safehouse has influenced exalts + hinekora locks

on random item

[soft perch]

ye

[stray sedge]

Oooooh okay. Funny, I havent done syndicate in a while maybe I should try it again

[soft perch]

oshabi is probs the best ascendancy in phrecia for mapping

[bold scarab]

Poe2 screwed deli ... Poe1 screwed betrayal ... Balanced as all things should be

[split maple]

you take just first 2p not entire 4p shrine stuff? otherwise also need to drop wisps

[hard oar]

what's wrong with deli

[soft perch]

dropping wisps is fine

[bold scarab]

Poe2 reworked abyss and poe1 reworked breach xD

[whole bluff]

Offer 3 chaos and condolences for his lock

[tranquil sedge]

i think when one of the game directors literally says does not play one of the game's he's responsible for active development of, and he does not like it, and the new game does do a lot of things that do alienate the first game's playerbase, that does fall under kinda harsh lol

It couldn't have been what it is with the scope of being an update
well yea they scope crept it out of update territory into new game territory, thats why its a new game

it can't really be the same game but better, because then there's no point having both
thats kinda my point. either its different enough and not really path of exile anymore, or it isn't and potentially at best just a better game, which is just development for the sake of dunking on one game at that point

idk i think its just weird to call it poe2 thats all, not too much thinking going into it, just don't like it

[split maple]

oh yeah its okay droping it

[bold scarab]

It's ... Weird now ... Poe2 deli doesn't have the layer system than poe1 has anymore ... It's kinda like just random packs of mobs in the map now that you have to walk over the glassy surfaces to spawn in

[split maple]

so then the only issue left is how to get aoe on that 😄

[tidal spear]

is area no longer a thing u can craft on amu????

[bold scarab]

So no guaranteed rewards anymore

[tidal spear]

im looking on crafting table even got the aoe craft and turns out its not even for amus

[scarlet jacinth]

Poe2 conversation should probably move to poe2 general

[hard oar]

I think it's all about the intensity of deli on your maps, which makes it more difficult but rewarding? I haven't done enough deli in poe1 to compare it to tho

[stuck phoenix]

I do not think it makes sense from any real perspective to make two games for the exact same people, especially so when both games demand quite a lot of time on the regular

[bold scarab]

They also removed that

[stuck phoenix]

Smh just say you don't like it. Don't put it as fact

[tranquil sedge]

wholly in agreement there

[hard oar]

Honestly, I only encountered deli in poe1 a couple of times, and it always ends super quick and is very...underwhelming rewards wise

[soft perch]

cope on massive shrine basically

can also click witch nodes since ur there

[bold scarab]

No more like deli layers directly added to maps ... Basically every map with a deli has the deli be infinite time but no more like building up layers of rewards or adding deli layers to the map anymore

[tranquil sedge]

i did say multiple times in the convo this is my personal opinion lol
but jonathan's stance is known to everyone

[hard oar]

I tried to react 💯 but god damn discord won't let me >_>

[bold scarab]

Poe1 tho the more you kill the harder the enemies get and the more layers of rewards it gives

[nimble cedar]

so i just craft 3 mod on top of this and im good right? is there any other stuff that can make it stronger?

[bold scarab]

Which I will say feels alot better

[stuck phoenix]

For the record, I don't think marketing was the driving factor behind the name.

[hard oar]

it's the connection to each other lore-wise, no?

[bold scarab]

The world is the same world

It's just a different location in the world

I think there are a few overlaps but not many

[tranquil sedge]

it might not have been the main driving factor and obviously i can't back up my next sentence with any real data

but there's absolutely no way they didn't consider that naming it poe2, i.e. stating they're making a sequel to one of the heavyweight games in the arpg genre, isn't going to help sell it more

[hard oar]

Welll, yes. Also time difference of 20+ years afaik

[bold scarab]

Thought it was like 10 but yeee

[soft perch]

it will be very obvious its the same world once the next few acts come out

[hard oar]

The beast of Atzoatl 😄

[soft perch]

the next act is literally oriath

[bold scarab]

whatever doryani called alva because we keep raiding his temple in poe1

[soft perch]

and then a couple after is [redacted]

[formal reef]

anyone able to t17 carry in phrecia?

[stuck phoenix]

Also, the name was already set in stone before it even became its own game.

It was always supposed to be poe2

[hard oar]

He's calling us that though, not her? She's always "the companion" to the mass-looter xD

[soft perch]

pooe2

[tranquil sedge]

this is not a carry server but you can try #1┃looking-for-group

otherwise any challenge selling channels in game, or the TFT discord, can help you

[bold scarab]

Lol giving him trauma cuz he can never find out how we get in

Bro locks the doors and the next time he checks the doors are still locked but all the loot is gone

[hard oar]

But that room was barracks...now it's treasury? Daheck??

[bold scarab]

Nah we are just seeing different parts of his temple kek

[tranquil sedge]

good point 😄
then i suppose take it more as im disappointed in the results of development of said title not living up to the standards i expected it should have, as well as the consequence for the already existing game in the process

[hard oar]

Development of poe2 being a disappointment can also be blamed on the fact it's not even a 1.0 yet, yet people expet it to be as polished as if it was.

Pretty sure poe1 wasn't all nice and amazing as it is now at the start of it's own journey either

[tough cove]

its not even a 1.0 thing

the core systems behind the game are booty

[hard oar]

It's only where it is now as it's had many many years of layers to make it a great game it is now

[tough cove]

and alot of the design decision behind them are bad

[tranquil sedge]

yet people expet it to be as polished as if it was.
would be fair to say that if they themselves didn't treat the game like a finished product

[bold scarab]

It's more polished than it realistically should be right now ngl

[tranquil sedge]

marketing full league cycles, full price supporter packs, and the game isn't even in 1.0 lol

[whole bluff]

Delve?

[tranquil sedge]

and its actively competing with the already-fully-released, in-live-development game, poe1

[tough cove]

its a very polished product ill give them that

[bold scarab]

"but it's in early access"

[soft perch]

no

[tranquil sedge]

polished or not, they're not treating it as an early access game

[hard oar]

I don't think it'd get a lot of traction if it didn't have leagues

[soft perch]

its been leaked before what act 6 is in poe2

[tough cove]

the problem though is the opposite of how i felt playing early versions of poe1

[bold scarab]

Ye

[tranquil sedge]

felt more different than the way its going now?

[tough cove]

poe1 i felt was gonna be a very special game

[whole bluff]

I will treasure this pointer, while also asking for more

[bold scarab]

Like they even call it early access too but every time they market it or do anything physically it's treated like a full release

[tough cove]

poe2 i feel like it might one day be good if the devs ever get out of the games way

[soft perch]

its a zone currently in poe1

twice

[tough cove]

but all sorts of dumb decisiions in poe2 are hampering the game

[soft perch]

poe2 is getting a lot better

ngl

i think the game is genuinely quite fun

also the loot system in poe2 is way better than poe1 is ngl

[whole bluff]

Hmm. Highgate maybe. But I assume you can't confirm fully without risk of 😶

[bold scarab]

Alot of what you call dumb I call potentially peak if they work with it more

[tough cove]

tying weapon skills to weapons was dumb

[hard oar]

It's objective depending on the person, isn't it?

[tranquil sedge]

subjective is the word ur looking for

[hard oar]

Just like the towers overhaul in poe2, just like those idols are in this mini league

[bold scarab]

They are working on that ... A few skills already have overlaps between weapons and they plan on making it more

[tranquil sedge]

but yes, opinions about games are subjective

that'll never change

[hard oar]

Shhhh, I only had 3h of sleep, cut me some slack

[soft perch]

you say this but the tree is designed to not really have many weapon nodes and weapon swapping in that game has no delay and is seamless now

[scarlet jacinth]

Anyhow this is poe1 general, what kinda idols are yall running?

[soft perch]

i really like poe2s weapon swap system

[bold scarab]

I mean heck alot of the talisman melee skills are also mace skills

[hard oar]

A mess of whatever drops 😂

[bold scarab]

If they aren't directly tied to a transform at least

[stuck phoenix]

You are allowed to be disappointed after it leaves EA :p
Settlers being 1 year is fair game, but something that GGG already apologised for

[scarlet jacinth]

Aah yes an enjoyer of all the mechanics!

[hard oar]

An enjoyer of having something on my map apart from empty space more like xD All my idols are crap!

[fading tapir]

I don't like the weapon tied skills either, I think it makes the game feel constricted, but I am going to wait until we have the entire set of weapons before making up my mind

[bold scarab]

They just don't want you to be using bow skills on a crossbow because it wouldn't make sense

[scarlet jacinth]

What build u doing?

[zinc stump]

We got weapon tied skills in poe1 too

[bold scarab]

Well bow on crossbow would probably be fine ... But crossbow on bow would be really weird

[hard oar]

Warden ranger, I tend to gravitate to bow users in any game I play lol

[soft perch]

weapon tied skills in poe2 are completely fine now imo

after they fixed weapon swapping

it was bad in 0.1

now its good

[fading tapir]

I gotta say getting the 2nd shrine ascendancy on daughter of oshabi and putting the gull on at the same time

Was an awesome feeling

[bold scarab]

I DO THINK that grenades should be not locked to a specific weapon ... Like spells ... Cuz you can throw a grenade

[soft perch]

uhh

[lucid gale]

Legally distinct grenade launcher attachments to the definitely-not-guns.

[soft perch]

your crossbow is a grenade launcher

[bold scarab]

Ye but why not just pick it up and chuck it

Lel

[fading tapir]

Unarmed grenade

[bold scarab]

Owo

[fading tapir]

That's just concoctions

Tbh

[bold scarab]

Unarmed because you lost it to a grenade kek

[fading tapir]

Lmao

[hard oar]

Now I wonder if I just dreamed it up that I played a grenade lobbing ranger at some point that couldn't weird a weapon because of that. Not even sure if it was in poe 1 or 2 or did I just dream it up. XD

[bold scarab]

But ye alot of the current limitations do make sense

The problem is we are missing so many weapons

[drowsy eagle]

what is beatific

[gaunt wolf]

Yes

[bold scarab]

Like no daggers ... No swords or axes

[zinc stump]

NO TRAPS

[bold scarab]

Flails

[stuck phoenix]

A word

[zinc stump]

why live

[soft perch]

think the people who complain about weapon locked skills havent played poe2 in a year

its a non-issue now

[hard oar]

super happy/blissful I guess

[drowsy eagle]

beautiful + terrific?

[scarlet jacinth]

Reminder this is still the wrong place for poe2..

[bold scarab]

I mean ... Some things I wish weren't exclusive ... Like hand of chayula or charged staff

[tight iris]

my reflect mist hit a x1.53

[soft perch]

fubs poisonburst build had weaponswap hand of chayula for curse application

[bold scarab]

But we have seen things like barrage appear in bows and spear trees

[hard oar]

Too many wombgifts, too little gratblood. ._.

[gaunt wolf]

why did I see poe 2 talk here thought this was poe 1 general

[hard oar]

Sometimes the talk about both melds into each chat lol

[bold scarab]

Lol

Can't talk about poe1 without its successor

Kek

[tight iris]

I can

[bold scarab]

Then talk owo

[drowsy eagle]

never heard that word, and btw why is your tab button a :D

[uneven compass]

Bro get idols out of the game asap those are worse than corpses

[hard oar]

Oh, the breach tree also drops idols, huh

[bold scarab]

Ye idols suck

[stuck phoenix]

Chrome gives up after 99

[bold scarab]

I get that they can be better once you get alot of them but the journey is sooo much more important than the destination

Otherwise you just leave

Before you build up enough for it to feel good

[stray sedge]

Piety uses that when she roasts you in the Crematorium "You are beatific because you answer to no one, and that's why no one will miss you!"

[scarlet jacinth]

Ngl idols have been fun so far.

[stray sedge]

then in act 4 she's slobbering all over u

[hard oar]

Why the f discord ain't letting me react to the chat mods messages

[tight iris]

cant react if they block you

[hard oar]

Lolwut

[uneven compass]

Idols are the atlas monetized into tabs while I’m playing poverty leveling all the way. Give me back my atlas Jonathan don’t you dare to make idols core

[bold scarab]

They won't

Its part of the event

[drowsy eagle]

I mean it's an event

[hard oar]

Is this even good? Considering I don't do smugglin'

[scarlet jacinth]

Idols could be fun as a side thing, I'd love if they'd make them a private league option

[bold scarab]

Wish they would make the phrecia ascendancies core tho ... So we have 38 to pick from instead of 19 xD

[tight iris]

id play oshabi int stack every league

[bold scarab]

They probably won't do that either tho lel

[hard oar]

Imagine the chaos!

[tough cove]

we were SUPPOSED to get private league option with the end of phrecia 1.0

still waiting for that

[uneven compass]

Phrecia (2.0) asc are not better than normal asc. 1.0 pre-nerfs were tho

[bold scarab]

Paladin is like everything I would have wanted out of a caster guardian ... Except for the worst tree placement in the game

[tough cove]

someo fthe trees are good

[uneven compass]

There’s nothing as good as slayer in 2.0 asc

[tough cove]

and all the new shadow ones are better than the garbage that is assassin

[bold scarab]

Paladin is like if Inquisitor and champion and guardian had a child

[tough cove]

and its great

[uneven compass]

Lol

[sonic jolt]

Welp.. I slept well

Now back to wraeclast

[tough cove]

would be better on a different class but still great

[bold scarab]

Oh and throw in a random pathfinder passive for good measure

XD

[tight iris]

im like 150 maps deep into altar maxxing without a divine altar

pls god

[bold scarab]

The worst part about ranger caster ... Or paladin ... Is the tree placement

Ngl

Need clusters to make any use out of those sadge

[fickle glen]

For this perk, is resistances counted as one of the damage reductions? Like will it max my resistances at 50%?