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[hallow oak]

the heck

[finite quail]

you can handle 41k life per second?

[split maple]

wait is that bloody flicker strike jewel

[finite quail]

I'm at like 19k per sec just fine

[split maple]

ig then lossing melee dmg/attack speed for reserve actually is kinda take it result

[finite quail]

https://pobb.in/29FH6dWeQ7OB

[split maple]

needed a hot second to realize who woudl want phys to cold convert 😄

[finite quail]

[cobalt blade]

flicker adorned sounds hilarious

[split maple]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/woonvv-1466/SEXY_WOON?i=0&search=items%3DThe%2BAdorned%26sort%3Ddps

reserve, cold, crit multi adorned yea

[past rain]

easy

[hard cliff]

How much do you guys think star forge is gonna be day 3~

thinking what 90 div prob with a six link ?

[icy zinc]

200 chaos

[civic charm]

what spell is good to play with bog witch?

[hard cliff]

good good

Thank you

[civic charm]

penance brand?

[sleek barn]

yeah apparently only 100-300c day 3

[hard cliff]

I think barring anything else

I'mma play RAGE vortex behemoth

[finite quail]

I don't think 7k life leech is enough to handle 41k life per second brother

[hard cliff]

all these adorned,stacker and other stupid ass tryhard builds

I just wanna BESERKER LIKE A TRUCK

[civic charm]

there's going to be so many cool builds this league

[hard cliff]

So far I haven't seen anything that's league startable

[finite quail]

Rage vortex?

You don't have warcries tho

Which means no rage per power mastery

Which means no warcy infinite power shield

[hard cliff]

Behemoth has unlimted rage

it'll be ok

[finite quail]

If you think so

[hard cliff]

I'm not using a shield

[finite quail]

How are you gonna get the rage thoguh

[hard cliff]

Hit stuff

[finite quail]

Ah nvm

[simple stag]

If I play RF and hit the -max res mod can i just reset the instance in acts or hows that gonna go

[hard cliff]

ok

[finite quail]

rage vortex is considered melee

I thought it was a spell

[hard cliff]

it just looks like one

https://pobb.in/SWsTBX3clVVS

[finite quail]

Piragon

I'm gonna poke you

[hard cliff]

Angry circles build

[finite quail]

To give you rage

[hard cliff]

I can't get groomed again noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[sleek barn]

AGAIN

anyways

nice build

[finite quail]

what

tfs wrong with you

[hard cliff]

Well you just tried to

you know what

nevermind

[finite quail]

[hard cliff]

@sleek barn
I can transition into star forged I think and I wanna see if I can go blood magic Petrified blood

just for fun

or is pb a spell

[rich widget]

blight of contagon yo

[hard cliff]

IT'S A SPELL

Damn you Chris Wilson

wait I can still use it cause it's not an aura

THANK YOU CHRIS WILSON

[rich widget]

wait why is starfroge so expensive?

[hard cliff]

Uber sirius

[simple stag]

i feel like righteous fire is so fucked for leaguestart nothing's adding up

[tranquil umbra]

it usually is

[spice pecan]

pohx just did a paladin RF pob

and scav is still fine

[eternal hill]

How much were endu ralakesh boots at league start?

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/lB8aUzt.png

Ramping does not mean to run away in fear.

[past rain]

7s spark is tempting

[tranquil umbra]

Behemoth + Aurabot is gonna be my duo setup

[hard cliff]

Why isn't the wiki updated for the phrecia classes ?

[proud gorge]

oh man, I didn't realize that Kaom's Command is super rare

[tranquil sedge]

someone has to do it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[past rain]

probably cuz it happened yesterday

[finite quail]

because the wiki is ran by fans

[proud gorge]

29 div minimum for a Kaom's Command this late in the league

wack

[finite quail]

and we JUST got new info

[proud gorge]

sighs I suppose I'll get on the wiki

[rich widget]

wait how does FF work? like what ascendancy is ancestral commander linked to

[proud gorge]

I dunno if there's some sort of channel for coordinating wiki edits or anything, so I'm just going in

[spice pecan]

it's a marauder

[finite quail]

base game ascendancies

you dont link ascendancies

[proud gorge]

Juggernaut, but it doesn't matter since FFs are restricted by starting class, not Ascendancy

[finite quail]

you can pick any node from any ascendancy from your character class

[tranquil sedge]

^

[finite quail]

that's how ff jewels work

[rich widget]

OHHHH

[quaint dagger]

im guessing there wont be private leagues for Phrecia?

[finite quail]

We didnt get info on it

But dont count on it

If they didnt make leagues for ruthless, I'm pretty sure private leagues wont be a thing either

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Phrecia ascendancies are technically "based on" other base game ascendancies, which you can tell from looking at the background of the Phrecia ascendancy

Ancestral Commander is Juggernaut, Behemoth is Berserker, and Antiquarian is Chieftain

though for the most part it's pretty apparent thematically which is which

[modest depot]

is this the sign of an insane person

[proud gorge]

the most non-thematic alternate is probably Heiro to Puppeteer, but I guess the logic is that Heiro is the Totem class, and minions are kind of like totems

[past rain]

hotel

[thick goblet]

double bated breath pog

[split maple]

running campaign in 2h just to hit heist for 10k h

[proud gorge]

the other non-thematic is probably Slayer to Aristocrat

[split maple]

gg tho

[tranquil sedge]

alright i think its time lads

im ||installing far cry 5||

[proud gorge]

which doesn't really connect at all

[thick goblet]

marauder to antiquarian?

why does cave man have a museum

[past mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[proud gorge]

Chieftain to Antiquarian makes some sense

[tranquil sedge]

owned it for a long time and i needed something to play
time to give it a crack @spice pecan

then maybe i find motivation to finish the last 10% of sekiro which has been on hiatus since june 2025

[full tide]

ele hit surfcaster or anc call slamer? which would be better if i wanted to be use the character just to get early currency for whisperer gear

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lick-licking-run-running-gif-7951888114338195686

[past mantle]

Is the last 10% demon of hatred?

[tranquil sedge]

i feel called out

[past mantle]

Because demon of hatred is some ASS.

[tranquil sedge]

-# and the final boss after that ye

[past mantle]

So I don't blame you.

[quaint dagger]

sad, ty man

[spice pecan]

i still have to finish like the last 60% of elden ring, i feel it

[tranquil sedge]

its not even that i dont want to try it

its jut that i know i dont fucking remember how to play LOL

[finite quail]

probably the slamma jamma cause you dont actually die

[proud gorge]

Chieftain and Antiquarian both care about the past and traditional practices, the difference is just that Antiquarian approaches it from a more scholarly direction

[tranquil sedge]

and the thought of having to spend some time getting into the combat groove is effort

[past mantle]

Well you're in luck! Demon of hatred is an inversion of Sekiro's combat so you just have to play it like it's a souls game instead.

[tranquil sedge]

yea lmfao

umbrella shield go brr

[hard cliff]

slams

[full tide]

true. im running a test of ele hit and early acts it is struggling

[past mantle]

What if parrying in the parrying game was not the play.
Beautiful work Miyazaki, the mental swap.

[full tide]

damage and survivability

[tranquil sedge]

i was like that for a while tbh

in the dlc

but it was worth finishing, i had fun

[hard cliff]

I never beat that guy

[past mantle]

You want to get brightbeak asap for ele hit in acts.

[tranquil sedge]

elden ring is an absolute vibe

[past mantle]

Brightbeak makes ele hit acts smooth.

[proud gorge]

oh that reminds me, I should probably finish my Elden Ring per-boss nohits at some point

[tranquil sedge]

i hope we get a second game like that in this lifetime lol

[hard cliff]

from soft is just making multiplayer crap these days

[proud gorge]

personally I much prefer per-boss nohits over a full game no-hit

[full tide]

is cobra lash good for leveling? thats what ive been running, maybe im doing smth wrong

[proud gorge]

because a full game nohit of Elden Ring just degenerates into cheese tactics

[tranquil sedge]

gl

and on the other end of the spectrum you have players like me with my jellyfish (into mimic later once i got him) on bosses

[proud gorge]

but per-boss nohit lets you actually engage with the boss mechanics, learn the patterns, and get good

[past mantle]

Cobra lash leveling is okay. Ele hit should feel nicer.

[tranquil sedge]

i didnt engage with most of the game ngl

if i had a second playthrough it would probably be fun

[full tide]

il try that out

[tranquil sedge]

i legit just camped katana until bigger katana the whole time and didn't really mess with spells or invocations or anythign

[proud gorge]

my policy for the per-boss nohits is to actively engage the boss in melee, and not exploit openings, so if I stagger a boss I just stand back and wait for them to get back up

though since I'm running double straight sword I don't stagger them very often

[tranquil sedge]

l0l

[full tide]

or i just run slams and dont worry about if ele hit is viable later...

[past mantle]

My policy is that I use everything I can to kill the boss and if I don't I post on redidt about how evil the boss is.

[tranquil sedge]

true gamer

[past mantle]

My policy is that I don't play the game but still whine about it.

[tranquil sedge]

have any of you guys played rdr2

how open-world is it really, like free-form exploration type, like on a scale of 0-10 where 10 is true freedom like horizon zero dawn or elden ring or runescape etc

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the last boss I did was Fire Giant

[past rain]

anyone group leveling in phrecia?

[proud gorge]

Fire Giant nohit is really annoying actually

[spice pecan]

I have not played any of the red dead games

[past mantle]

Yes.

[proud gorge]

since you can barely see what the boss is doing half the time

[spice pecan]

i stopped with rockstar at san andreas

[past rain]

u full group ?

[finite quail]

Bro group leveling with ppl u dont know must be horrifying

[past rain]

i just wnana try it

since its temp league

[hard cliff]

2 is really bad

[tranquil sedge]

i downloaded some naruto episodes and man its driving me up a wall mentally

[past mantle]

No but we're starting late.

The original or shippuden?

[tranquil sedge]

either the quality is ass and the subtitles are well formatted
or the quality is good and the subtitles are ass (fuck PGS format)

[tranquil sedge]

original first

[hard cliff]

at least you're not watching the dub

[spice pecan]

anime was a mistake

[past mantle]

Original's pretty decent. Good luck with like the first 100 episodes of shippuden however.

[finite quail]

why not just watch it online with an adblocker

[hard cliff]

I feel like people who hate anime don't have a soul

[tranquil sedge]

i've seen the entire thing start to end i just wanted a copy to watch offline at my leisure

[proud gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR4DX0fFMqg
Here check out my video lmao

[finite quail]

wrong

fullmetal alchemist brotherhood is too good to be a mistake

[tranquil sedge]

and the only real solution i have after checking like 10 different versions of the thing i could find is i have to either accept good (small) file size with good quality video with bad subtitles (PGS)

...or i have to fucking retime 220 episodes worth of subtitles manually

and im so fucking close to saying fuck it and doing that

[past mantle]

Simply watch the good ones and when someone tells you that FOTM is good you just ignore them.

[proud gorge]

but yeah, honestly an annoying amount of Elden Ring nohitting is just waiting for the boss to do a punishable move

[tranquil sedge]

its like a dance 😄

[proud gorge]

since so many moves just have random followups

[tranquil sedge]

he move u move he move u move

[past mantle]

"JJK is good" alright buddy we'll set you up for a lightning strike build.

[finite quail]

watch it online with an adblocker

[hard cliff]

FOTM can be good but you gotta wait a few years to see if it is still worth it

[past mantle]

DLC is so evil for that.

[steel light]

that's the version that follows the manga?

[tranquil sedge]

thats how i did it the first time many years ago

but i want a copy for myself lol

[finite quail]

Wouldn't know

[hard cliff]

yes it's the real version

[steel light]

is lust still alive later on?

[finite quail]

Its the one without the shitty ending

[finite quail]

No?

She just dies

[proud gorge]

nah, if it were a dance that'd be nice, and there are some bosses like that. But for a lot of bosses, their moves just have random followups sometimes, so you just aren't allowed to punish any move that can have a random followup.

[thick goblet]

how do i evaluate how good vaal skills are, most of them are so strange
do i start off with golden rule and figuring out hits per skill use, then calculate de with that
but then i also have dots to figure out

[proud gorge]

So you just have to wait and bait out the moves that you know you can punish

[steel light]

that's the original manga version

[finite quail]

Try them ingame

[steel light]

not the shitty divert cause anime caught up

[hard cliff]

so true king

[past mantle]

I see shounen I ignore.
I see that it has nothing to do with cooking I ignore.

This filters out like 99% of the bad stuff.

[finite quail]

Ragebait ass comment

[tranquil sedge]

what's fotm

[past mantle]

Flavour of the month.

[hard cliff]

some of my favorite anime of all time is shonen but it has a lot of really mid stuff

[tranquil sedge]

what is that

[finite quail]

the flavor of the month

[hard cliff]

the entire poe business model is fomo

[tranquil sedge]

wouldn't know what to do without you :3

[rich plume]

Can i reroll into all phrecia ascendancies or just in the 3 per base class ?

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

[finite quail]

what?

[past mantle]

The popular thing at the time that goes away quickly.

[finite quail]

wdym rerolling

[tranquil sedge]

wdym
you can respec between the 3 alloted to your base class at any time

[tranquil sedge]

ah

[finite quail]

you just choose an ascendancy

the base game ones arent in phrecia

its only the new ones

[hard cliff]

well technically

[finite quail]

piragon

[rich plume]

Can i reroll behemoth into bog shaman for example

[finite quail]

shut your mouth hole

[past mantle]

No.

[finite quail]

the hell do you mean by this

no

they are two different characters

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/kittens-meowing-kitty-kittie-adorable-gif-15653978

[past mantle]

That's exactly what he's asking.

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-color-pink-gif-26141073

[rich plume]

Thx mate

[past mantle]

Each character has 3 ascendancies except for scion.

[finite quail]

I don't understand how someone's whos been here since 2017 has to ask something like that

[past mantle]

Think of like uhhh apex, if you didn't want to hear about it after the first month, it never came up.

[hard cliff]

power rangers

[finite quail]

Unless they werent here for the last like 9 years

[rich plume]

Yes yes phrecia around since 2017

[past mantle]

People ask I answer.

[tranquil sedge]

i think i probably will end up doing this tbh

see how long it takes to time one episode's subtitle file when i have the correct timings already, and then if its ntb maybe i can spend a week or two on that lmao

-# god i hate how anal i am about wanting nicely formatted subtitles

[finite quail]

phrecia just changes the ascendancies and atlas system

its like a new coat of paint for ascendancies basically

nothing more

[finite quail]

how WHAT you are

[hard cliff]

are you watching this with English subs?

[finite quail]

[tranquil sedge]

yes

[hard cliff]

I'm gonna dm you something there's no way freaking Naruto doesn't have a decent compilation torrent

[tranquil sedge]

you'd be fucking surprised

[past mantle]

Where you checking?

[rich plume]

I am aware, but i wasnt 100% sure the asc. Rules we know adapt to the new ones, so i asked. (And didnt really play first phrecia)

[past mantle]

You're all good.

[finite quail]

watch it online with an adblocker

[tranquil sedge]

mainly nyaa

[finite quail]

[past mantle]

Damn, even they don't got it?

That's messed up.

[tranquil sedge]

its like

i downloaded like 10 diff versions

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/6k5v8pE.png

You using this ?

[tranquil sedge]

ye

[hard cliff]

0k shit I can't help you then

that's messed up

[tranquil sedge]

my priorities are: decent video quality, small file size, acceptable subtitles

[finite quail]

srev do u need a streaming site for it

I can hook you up

https://tenor.com/view/cheetah-stare-revster-gif-7447229271888012046

[tranquil sedge]

no brother like ive said twice im only doing this to have an offline copy

but thank u xd

[hard cliff]

ohhh I just use gigantic filesize and delete it after

Last Gundam I watched was 40 minute episodes and each file was 1.6~ gigs each

[finite quail]

okay good cause you didnt respond to me before about it

[tranquil sedge]

i did xd

[finite quail]

I don't remember seeing it mentioned but aight

[hard cliff]

I'd rather never watch a single tv show in existance than stream it

Can't imagine hating yourself that much

[past mantle]

I should watch more shows.

[tranquil umbra]

I am streaming SBR the frame it drops

nothing else matters

[past mantle]

I'm glad people are gonna experience the most fun part. *I haven't read jojolion don't @ me if it's better.

[tranquil sedge]

ive tried like 10 different versions and im at the point where i have narrowed it down to:

• option 1 - good quality 1080p (upscaled) and file size (~65 GB), bad subs (PGS)
• option 2 - good quality 1080p (upscaled), okay subs (SRT), large file size (~130 GB)
• option 3 - good subs (ASS) and file size (~65 GB), low quality (480p)

and retiming the subs would let me take the subs from option 3 and put them in the option 1 video instead

and that would be perfect, but im guessing it'll be like 1-2 weeks of big work

there was a option 4 i was considering (~180 gb with excellent 480p video with high bitrate, and good subs) but it doesn't have dubs in it too (for some other ppl to watch when i share it with em sometimes) so that got ruled out

[past mantle]

I hyperfixed on it and read it in like 2 days.

[tranquil umbra]

nah SBR is still the best

[lucid gale]

Keikaku means plan.

[hard cliff]

480p bro wtf

[past mantle]

Zao what's the phrecia build?

What's the keikaku for the league start?

[tranquil sedge]

naruto is old xd

[past mantle]

*TL Note: Keikaku means plan.

[tranquil sedge]

the original broadcast was SD

any 1080p versions are upscales

[hard cliff]

that's insane

[lucid gale]

No idea, but I see that PoB got an update at least.

You peeps tell me 😄

[golden phoenix]

I'm doing poison divine ire harbinger

[past mantle]

Can I sell you on servant of arakaali holy relics?

[spice pecan]

siphoning trap

[tranquil sedge]

the only unfortunate part is that option 3 is low bitrate 480p rather than high bitrate
otherwise it woulda worked out even 'just' at 480p

which is what option 4 was

[hard cliff]

I'm eyeballing an angry circles build

[finite quail]

I don't think JoJolion is better than sbr tbh

Its very very good

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/SWsTBX3clVVS

[finite quail]

And a very fun part to read

But SBR is better

[past mantle]

What do you know that I don't.

[tranquil sedge]

you still haven't told me its a bad idea to retime the subs so i think i got what i wanted out of this conversation

gonna attempt pilot episode tomorrow then and see how long it takes

[hard cliff]

JoJolion was very strange

I dunno how I feel about it I think a lot got lost in translation

[finite quail]

Reread it

[hard cliff]

A good anime adaption would prob help a lot but they don't do those anymore

[hard cliff]

I am finishing Warhammer right now and then I got like 8 physical books to read

[finite quail]

https://mangadex.org/title/7a9d76c3-42b9-4bcf-81d7-ad307d2ea971/jojo-s-bizarre-adventure-part-8-jojolion

Colored, nicely translated

[hard cliff]

Why would I wanna read it in dogshit streaming quality ?

I downloaded it and read it on a comic book reader app cause again I don't hate myself

[finite quail]

what?

[tranquil sedge]

i think we've found something piragon is passionate about heh

i don't think i have seen him this excited even for poe lol

[hard cliff]

@tranquil sedge
Got a friend of mine who did subtitle timings for years as part of a fan sub group but it's totally out of my wheelhouse so I can't help sorry

[finite quail]

the quality is perfectly fine

[sage falcon]

interesting path of exile discussion

[finite quail]

idk what you're talking about pira

[sage falcon]

you guys should graduate to being offtopic chatters

[tranquil sedge]

dw its not nearly as bad as it would be re-timing from scratch, i have the correct timings to go off of for the most part

[tranquil sedge]

lol sorry my fault

[hard cliff]

if you understood me I'd start to really worry about what I was doing with myself

[proud gorge]

oh, Jojolion, not Jojolands

man

I need to either dedicate myself to finishing this EHit build or abandon it and play it next league

[hard cliff]

Offtopic channel is occupied by a bunch of weird perverted europeans

I try not to go there if I can help it

[finite quail]

Jojolands is strange so far

[hard cliff]

I do steal animal pics tho

[finite quail]

Mixed feelings for it

Like I care more about the other party members than the main character

Jodio is so boring

[proud gorge]

I'm enjoying it, but it's definitely very confusing, very strange

[tranquil umbra]

bizarre even

[hard cliff]

This reddit build is a phys hit only build and it has zero leech on it

what teh fuck

[finite quail]

Dragona and Charmingman the goats

[proud gorge]

Dragona is also a Jojo

[golden phoenix]

Poison beacon of madness boots go brrrr

[proud gorge]

and arguably the "main" Jojo, at least for now

[finite quail]

no Jo in dragona

Unless maybe there's a strange pronunciation in japanese that has it, she's not a jojo

Joestar blood but not jojo

[proud gorge]

she's, uh, jojoesque

it's a weird part, since Jodio is as much a Jojo as he is a Dio

hence his name

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/mLzDn3w.png

This doesn't seem worth

[tranquil sedge]

one day i'll get around to reading jojo and gintama

[past mantle]

Oooh, that's nice.

[tranquil sedge]

long ass series' make for good immersion

[past mantle]

You do know something I don't.

[finite quail]

So far it hasnt been worth it making him like this

[proud gorge]

I do find it funny that the Dragona page on the jojo wiki just fully avoids using any pronouns for Dragona

the entire page is written without a single gendered pronoun

I suppose that is the "safest" option

[tranquil umbra]

their gender is Jo/Jo

[worthy cave]

Wait question about harbinger ascendancy

you can only have one harby out, right?

[proud gorge]

no

you can have as many harbingers from the ascendancy as you want

[worthy cave]

ah kk

[crimson vortex]

When's the new league?

[proud gorge]

plus one from the unique items

tomorrow

[hard cliff]

Thursday 4pm est

I got an hour to play before work maybe I can make it past brutus

😩

[crimson vortex]

I dont mean phrecia but new league

[tranquil sedge]

early march, so far

[hard cliff]

ohhh like 3 or 4 months

[finite quail]

no

[tranquil sedge]

no hard date yet

[finite quail]

you can only have one harby out for every type of harby on the ascendancy

[proud gorge]

new league is at least a month and a half out

so I should probably just level my Ehit build yeah

[crimson vortex]

Weird i thought they said they committed to 4 month schedule

[worthy cave]

ohhhhhh

[finite quail]

one harby limit for all uniques, 1 harby of each type for the asncendancy

[tranquil sedge]

they did say that

and 4 months would put you at the end of february.

[worthy cave]

b/c the "reduced duration of debuffs" node looks so bonkers with beacon of madness + delirious bloodline

[finite quail]

early march

[proud gorge]

if I didn't have enough time to do the ehit build then I might want to leave it to next league, but this league still has some decent amount of time left in it

[finite quail]

They did, yes

[hard cliff]

Melee hits fortify is such a bad node on behemoth

[finite quail]

Which is why the new league is in early march

[tranquil sedge]

early march is right after feb so could say four-ish months is the plan right now

[crimson vortex]

Shit feels like an eternity.

[hard cliff]

that's just a mastery bro

[proud gorge]

time enough to play at least one other build to Ubers

[tranquil sedge]

yea if ur happy to jump into an event for 3 weeks give phrecia a go

it'll be fun 😄

[worthy cave]

problem is that witch can't get fortify 😭

[tranquil sedge]

the ascendencies definitely enable some cool builds

[worthy cave]

so the max fort boots are no good 😭

[tranquil sedge]

could mess around with it if ur bored

[finite quail]

Cool new builds and idols

[worthy cave]

unless you wanna play harby ascendancy using some sort of melee strike skill?

Or slamwitch ?XD

[tranquil sedge]

oh yea idols too
so many new strategies with those dude

[finite quail]

A big portion of the fun I had was with idols

Now with async trade...

[tranquil sedge]

if you're okay with the for-now 3 week timeline of the event, and u got some time to kill, 100% play phrecia

[worthy cave]

I have no clue how the heck people juggle juicing idols to the tits whiel also investing in their build

[proud gorge]

I mean, that's not the only thing that node does, and even then the mastery has a pretty significant downside

[tranquil sedge]

wdym

[finite quail]

there is no juicing idols

idols arent craftable

only recombinable

[worthy cave]

sure, but youc an also buy them

probably do end up buying them to some extent

[finite quail]

Ah thats what you mean

[tranquil sedge]

you start with 1-2 mod idols and you work your way up its not like ur buying perfect idols day 1

[proud gorge]

but realistically the "melee hits fortify" node is mostly there to gate the attack speed per fortification node behind it

which is very good

[hard cliff]

The ascendascy gives you an irrelevant amount of life regen and the mastery only costs -3 fort

[finite quail]

I mean you just balance both out basically

[tranquil sedge]

you buy some okay idols
work on your okay build
push idol, push build
step left step right till u win

[worthy cave]

oh right and then there's the scarab juicing aspect

[proud gorge]

yeah but if you're doing fortification stacking or getting stuff per fortification stack then you want every max fort you can get

[tranquil sedge]

scarab prices will be nothing compared to the loot you get tbh other than the usual few scarabs that are always $$$

[proud gorge]

but yeah, it's mainly there because the attack speed node is great

[tranquil sedge]

phrecia is a wild event 😄 10/10

idols sucked ass to buy/sell the first time they did phrecia in 3.25
but with async that problem is solved

no more price fixing morons

[proud gorge]

not the strongest thing you can do on Behemoth, but still just generically very strong

[hard cliff]

Armour stacker ?

I can't afford that bro

What's the one belt

[finite quail]

TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[proud gorge]

there's a bunch of belts

[hard cliff]

Ryslatha's Coil

[finite quail]

No more pming 30 different people to buy one idol

Bro remember when you started late in the league and you had to buy one 1c ring and you had to pm 40 people for it

[tranquil sedge]

even better
the guy you pm doesnt respond to you but his idol gets relisted for higher price 30 seconds later

smh my fucking head

[finite quail]

Good thing thats over

[finite quail]

TRUE

[proud gorge]

that does remind me, I wonder if there's anything interesting you can do with Fueled by Hate and the Trialmaster bloodline

[hard cliff]

Did they take the life reservation effiency mastery out of the game ?

[proud gorge]

the ability to spend rage for vaal skills makes them extremely usable for bossing purposes

[tranquil umbra]

no that still exists

[proud gorge]

it's a Reservation mastery

not a life mastery

[plush gulch]

do you think it's possible to armour stack with behemoth ?

I was thinking you can run a spectre for determination

[finite quail]

its in the reservation mastery

[hard cliff]

ok thanks guys

[proud gorge]

yeah, you'd just have to do the non-aura armourstack setup with Endurance charges and those Precursors with armour per endurance charge

[tranquil umbra]

that guardian turtle that I hate

[proud gorge]

and probably that one shield with insane armour on it

[hard cliff]

I do not think petrified blood is gonne be worth it

https://i.imgur.com/P1GEFe3.png

I gotta give up four points + Arctic armour

What do you think ?

[tranquil sedge]

just for awareness' sake, you can still generate souls by hitting unique mobs, 6 souls per 2% damage dealt, on a 1 sec cd

[plush gulch]

emperor vigilance ?

[finite quail]

not worth it at all

[hard cliff]

AA is not very good on this build tho cause I am always moving

[proud gorge]

oh, you can? Did not know that

[tranquil sedge]

To use a Vaal skill, its gem must first be charged by collecting souls. Souls can be obtained by killing enemies, granting 1 souls per kill. Souls can also be obtained when damaging Rare or Unique enemies (1 or 6 souls, respectively, per 2% life lost with a 1 second cooldown). Life restored by Unique enemies during phase changes (like Sirus and Catarina) will not grant souls, meaning that if Sirus heals from 25% to 75% during his final phase, all damage from 75% to 25% will grant zero souls.

[proud gorge]

I guess that makes rage vaal skill less useful

[plush gulch]

@proud gorge look at this if you try get suppression you get this soiunds insane

[tranquil sedge]

yea i realized it at some point in 3.17 when vaal summon skeletons kept becoming available to use in feared lol, even tho there were no adds to kill

[proud gorge]

yeah, though I guess at that point you'd probably want to be in a Shield Crush build, and I don't know if the attack damage per armour applies to Shield Crush

[fossil mural]

Commence flipping in 3...2...

[tranquil umbra]

I was thinking of cooking some bullshit with 100% reduced sgp but I'm not so sure if it's really worth it

[proud gorge]

it might?

like, how the heck do shield attacks work

do they use attack damage?

[finite quail]

yes

if it is an attack

it scales from attack damage

[proud gorge]

sounds like a build that could work then

[plush gulch]

how is this btw

[proud gorge]

Emperor's Vigilance Endurance Charge Armourstack Behemoth

Shield Crush

[plush gulch]

losing the double dmg warcry on my behemoth for rage wortex of berserking destroyed my plan

[crystal talon]

tiss pretty good

[plush gulch]

I would have to strenght stack + paradoxica but it's only in very lategame

[finite quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkRp8e1ZHtE

[hardy blaze]

Ssssssh brother the vigilance calls for us but we need to be discrete

[proud gorge]

I feel like if you're going to go for a shield attacker build, Shield Crush or alt-Shield Crush are the best option, since among other benefits they can double-hit with overlaps

[hardy blaze]

We cant let the price spike

Until we get them

[civic charm]

Is it worth it to try to mana stack without an amulet slot or ring slots? Or are those too valuable for attributes?

[finite quail]

very valuable

Not worth it

[fossil mural]

Unless your amulet enables something

Like omni

[finite quail]

Amulet sure

[plush gulch]

I see, shield crush seems a bit bland maybe I can find something more fun, I was really excited for rage vortex behemoth 😔

[fossil mural]

In which case its still not worth it but at least it makes sense

[finite quail]

But the rings are pretty important

[proud gorge]

how about Shield Crush of the Chieftain

[finite quail]

Since its %mana implicit, flat mana mod and %mana mod iirc

[hardy blaze]

SSSSSSH

[finite quail]

plus whatever else

[hardy blaze]

Hahahaha

My general cry shield crush of the chieftain fire res stacker had no business working in keepers

[plush gulch]

🤔 seems slightly better but whenever I see videos it doesn't make me want to play it

[fossil mural]

What are you using in those slots

[hardy blaze]

Im re-running it back in phrecia

[plush gulch]

did you try it?

[fossil mural]

Cause if you dont want to use foulborn choir idk why even bother mana stacking

[proud gorge]

fair enough, I like Shield Crush, it's just a nice whacky attack skill, fast, good range, good damage with overlaps. Nothing too complicated that forces you to jump through hoops, just solid, fast, and dependable

[past rain]

for kboc

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

[civic charm]

Gotcha. I was thinking of trying to combine the kinetic fus with mana stacking. But you either need 1 time clasps/1 dusk ring with the foul voices or 1 warped timepiece, 1 time clasp/dusk ring.

[fossil mural]

Oh yea na

I mean you will still get 20mil dps at decent budget

You dont really need more

[plush gulch]

I see for some really im really not attracted to this skill I would say I like more stuff like slam, lightning trap, sr totem

[fossil mural]

And thats on shit like gladiator

[plush gulch]

hipster stuff

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Foulborn Emperor's Vigilance is optimal, but those are presumably going to be pretty expensive/hard to acquire

[plush gulch]

also it has a foulborn buff

40% quality

[civic charm]

I mean if you get indigon on it. It should pump really high. With all the attacks.

[proud gorge]

yeah

[plush gulch]

empreror vigilance

[proud gorge]

very powerful

[plush gulch]

I tried to check foulborn list for anything catching my fancy but nah, not a lot of them are that powerful

[proud gorge]

Personally I'd say non-standard Emperor's Vigilance Armourstack is already kind of hipster shit

but yeah

eh, there's a lot of lesser used but still interesting Foulborns

but yeah there's also a lot of sort of middling ones that mostly just fill the pool with common foulborns

[elfin shale]

Foulborn Xoph's Nurture looks really good imo

[fossil mural]

Might be okay, but indigon is an excell build

[elfin shale]

Both variants

[plush gulch]

they put prismatic burst lvl 25 on doomfletcher😔

what a waste

no synergy

[proud gorge]

like, Foulborn Uul-Netol's Kiss is fun for the Horker

wah wah wah wah wah

[plush gulch]

oh yeah I saw something ab out it you just war cry explode

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/Pyopzp30BsEH

ok someone tell me what I can improve on here

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffyou managed to make it work 😮

[proud gorge]

I doubt Kaom's Command is going to be available in Phrecia though

[plush gulch]

maybe my starter is saved

[proud gorge]

so you'd have to go Corrupting Cry instead probably

[fossil mural]

I am psure people pobed it and its meh

[hard cliff]

I stole this from a guy on reddit

[worthy cave]

So here's a thought: mausoleum containment pilfering div card farming after scrying crimson temple/that other mageblood card map to mausoleum with MFA whisperer

Wouldn't you be farming up all sorts of nuts cards like crazy?

[proud gorge]

oh hey, Foulborn Kongor's Undying Rage has Battlemage? Wild

[plush gulch]

in late game we go strenght stacking and get a paradoxica to get back the double dmg we lost and we should get nice number

[proud gorge]

that seems like it might be fun for a phys spell build

[elfin shale]

I mean at worst its a ~900edps bow that shits out recovery isnt it

[proud gorge]

like Bladefall Blade Blast

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffI was worried we would have no dmg before that

[proud gorge]

obviously something like Jiquani's is probably optimal, but that's lightning damage

[hard cliff]

No

[plush gulch]

why no

[hard cliff]

late game is star forge

[plush gulch]

wtf why

[proud gorge]

Foulborn Kongor's Undying Rage is the only pure phys Battlemage option

[hard cliff]

I like purple

[plush gulch]

trauma support then ?

[tranquil sedge]

im ngl i dunno how well that'd work but im sure someone who played phrecia div card farm strats might know, i didn't look into div card farming at all

repost ur question if nobody answers

[proud gorge]

is it optimal for the Entropic Devastation phys spell build? Maybe, who knows

[plush gulch]

me I go str stacking late game I think I never did it

[elfin shale]

What about the hat

[plush gulch]

btw funnily enough we can run spectre for aura lol

[crystal talon]

With idols almost all your cards come from boxes, so really not much reason to scry besides

[hard cliff]

yeah I'm not doing that lol

[plush gulch]

if you give them tanking support gem should be fine no ?

[worthy cave]

Wait, the boxes don't respect the map div cards ?8(

[fossil mural]

No

[proud gorge]

oh huh yeah, I guess the hat exists. A lot to give up for Battlemage, but it does let you run a really big physical whacker yeah

[worthy cave]

EWWWWWWWWWW

[fossil mural]

They dont care

[hard cliff]

I'm not baby sitting spectres bro I just wanna smash

[worthy cave]

So then the best way to farm map-specific cards is...

just abyss?

For maximum monsters in a map?

[split maple]

Same pool as eldritch mobs and shit - so all cards except ones rewarding boss drops

[plush gulch]

👍 regardless thanks dude I was really sad feeling I have to give up my build

[proud gorge]

I guess the big issue with Foulborn Kongor's is that it's a 2h weapon, so it doesn't stack Battlemage with Spellblade

[fossil mural]

Buy them on trade

[split maple]

Before edifice was a thing beyond was kinda hot for cards

[worthy cave]

I just wonder if there's any redeeming factor in pilfering mausoleum as a strat

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffthe idea of rampage, hipster no spell, full zoom zoom beyblade made me happy

[split maple]

Idk What folks were doing this league, there was some folks pilfying apos

[tranquil sedge]

is there a reason you want to do that though

like theres a lot of stuff you can only do in phrecia with idols

[worthy cave]

because MFA whisperer can get zillions of DPS

[tranquil sedge]

why not experiment with a few of those

[worthy cave]

and Tolman is a punching bag ?XD

[hard cliff]

Yeah no problem I totally looks viable and there's a few paths to make it better. I guess you could go straight Stacker you're right there at the good node for it so why not. I think I'm just going to try to get a star Forge in theory two six links should be billions of DPS but we'll see how it plays out

[tranquil umbra]

the 350% increased abyssal depths chance yessir

[tranquil sedge]

its phrecia sir
you can make harder things than that xd

[worthy cave]

ahhhh

[tranquil sedge]

giga rogue exiles will probably still be the hardest content in the game

[worthy cave]

in 3 weeks tho -_-

[tranquil sedge]

but also like

[split maple]

Not rly, with pilfering in Phrecia it was possible to hit immortal boss

[plush gulch]

really ? show me if it's that strong later I may have to change my mind

[split maple]

Enough toughness to be immune to damage

[tranquil sedge]

oh?

[split maple]

Literaly

[tranquil sedge]

isnt that doable in league too tho

[worthy cave]

how immortal we talking?

[fossil mural]

Isnt that mathematically impossible

[split maple]

Folks went to check boss area every few boxes to check number of cards

[tranquil sedge]

actually immortal

[split maple]

100% damage reduction

[worthy cave]

O_O

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffngl It would have been even more fun that they kept spell disabled so we could go bloodmagic and never worry about mana

[worthy cave]

OH FCK

[split maple]

No

[proud gorge]

oh hey wait a minute, Foulborn Dyadian Dawn has "All damage can ignite" on it, that's pretty good, enables weird giant ignites outside of Elementalist. Or like, would probably good, if Elementalist weren't already such a good class.

[tranquil sedge]

i thought that wasn't phrecia-exclusive, my bad

[split maple]

Cannot get enough cards

[tranquil sedge]

anyway my point is pilfering is still a normal-game strategy
try some phrecia-only stuff out instead

[hard cliff]

No thanks lol

[tranquil sedge]

giga crop rotation, giga fast deli reward bar, map full of king harbingers, super ultimatum, etc. etc. etc.

[proud gorge]

like, does Foulborn Dyadian Dawn let you do huge slam/eviscerate Ignites on Duelist/Marauder? Yeah. But is that actually better than Elementalist? Honestly probably not

[tranquil sedge]

there's probably like 2 dozen or more strats to try out at least

[tranquil umbra]

the harby strat is impossible for my pc

[plush gulch]

they would have buffed everything else ! btw why is he not using ambush

[tranquil sedge]

3 weeks is way too short to do all that but u could do a few of em for sure

[hard cliff]

@plush gulch
this still doesn't look tanky enough though

[hard cliff]

no idea i barely know how ambush works myself

[hard cliff]

it will be extended

[proud gorge]

Foulborn Umbilicus Immortalis is, technically speaking, a really shitty Tides of Time

[tranquil sedge]

i think it might be as well but unless they officially announce that, not a good idea to give a false impression

[plush gulch]

because they don't go crit I think going crit would be better personally especially in lategame

I can even do it with paradoxica

[elfin shale]

I dont think that really works lol

Either flasks dont apply to you or they cost twice as much

[proud gorge]

it does, it just needs to be double foulborn lmao

[proud gorge]

it's really shitty

[elfin shale]

Unbelievably shit tides of time

[split maple]

And the math behind it

[plush gulch]

@hard cliff he has too low life on the tree, those node would be great

[hard cliff]

crit feels like a bad idea the tree is stretched too thin already

[hard cliff]

I'm thinking about dropping the build entirely

[elfin shale]

You can run Ambush on Rage Vortex

[proud gorge]

I honestly have no idea what the point of Foulborn Umbilicus Immortalis is. Like, that level of flask charge gain is low enough that it doesn't actually let you sustain any flasks, even on your minions

[hard cliff]

how does that work

[proud gorge]

I guess you could, uh, use it with The Traitor to give your minions some flask buffs?

[elfin shale]

The skill snapshots and you can only have one

[fossil mural]

How many conq idols can you have

[proud gorge]

but at that point I'm not sure the Foulborn is actually doing anything

[tranquil umbra]

4

[elfin shale]

Does it cause every zombie to drop 2 worms if you use writhing jar

[proud gorge]

uh, no idea

oh hey, cool tech

[proud gorge]

Umbilicus Immortalis lets you use Enkindling effects for free

[hard cliff]

this sounds incredibly obnoxious to play

[proud gorge]

since you're never actually under flask effect yourself

[hard cliff]

so you have to hit three buttons per pack

[proud gorge]

so you never get prevented from gaining charges

[fossil mural]

Yea super lame, in poe2 your minions cant die while you have a flask active

[proud gorge]

actually with that synergy it could be cool

I mean, you'd have to flask piano

[civic charm]

I saw that on reddit. But you're going to have issues with ramping DMG on AG because it doesn't have gravebind

[proud gorge]

since they can't be both enkindled and also instilled at the same time

[worldly bridge]

you know, for someone who doesnt usually blast, i think 39 minute act 1 is pretty good

[civic charm]

The summoned swords should kill the worms before AG gets to it.

[plush gulch]

ambush is for rage vortex not the other one

rage vortex will last minutes for us

[frigid wedge]

on todays episode of me failing to use the damn skill tree

we have str stack spark

xD

[elfin shale]

Thats Bladestorm not Rage Vortex

[hard cliff]

why would I go crit if half my build can't benefit from it?!

[elfin shale]

Oh i thought it was an RV build my bad lol

[proud gorge]

I mean, it'd self-balance, if there's very few weapons the AG would be able to hit the worms, while if there's a lot of weapons then it's fine

[hard cliff]

it's both

[proud gorge]

probably

[hard cliff]

rage vortex blade storm

[elfin shale]

What did you cook? I have a 10mil dps impale bladestorm leaguestarter in my back pocket (tho it uses champion)

[plush gulch]

he didn't cook he stole from another cook

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/Pyopzp30BsEH

[hard cliff]

I adjusted his recipe

🐅

[proud gorge]

oh lmao, this is, technically speaking, an upgrade

I've finally figured out why this Foulborn mod exists

[plush gulch]

tbh I really don"'t care about bladestorm

[elfin shale]

Impale support, vomit

[elfin shale]

Yeah lol

Its lowkey a big deal

[split maple]

A lil humble tag of difference

[civic charm]

How are you guys getting defenses on Oshabi?

[elfin shale]

Ill send you mine when i get home

[plush gulch]

nah impale support is good until you get more

band aid

[frigid wedge]

i have made a worst pob

[stray sedge]

That also removes the % damage from it as well. What's the interaction you're talking about?

[elfin shale]

Im bigoted against impale support

[plush gulch]

the biggest issue is we lost the double dmg war cry

[hard cliff]

ping me when you do I'm trying to finish this book before my comes home

[hard cliff]

hell yeah

[proud gorge]

it removes the Life tag, so that it can benefit from the 15% more life if there's no life modifiers on your body armour mastery

[frigid wedge]

mostly bc i cant make a fucking skill tree

https://pobb.in/SU4xKjBWOumi

[crystal talon]

just do ambush RV zerking instead

[proud gorge]

at the cost of the other inherent bonus from strength yeah

[elfin shale]

% inc but yeah

[stray sedge]

Isn't that only 15% inc? The mod you're thinking of has 10% more if you have 6 life mastery

[proud gorge]

yeah I got the more part of the 6 mastery one confused

but yeah

[elfin shale]

Its still an upgrade to base Brass Dome unless you're STR stacking

[plush gulch]

yes that's what I wanted to do in late game i'll try strenght stacking with paradoxica but until then the loss of double dmg really hurts

[crystal talon]

Unless you are doing overexert + echoes of creation. Ambush is honestly just better

[plush gulch]

better than what ?

[crystal talon]

Warcries

[plush gulch]

oh

[hard cliff]

this is awesome

[crystal talon]

+150% crit multi & capped crit chance

[plush gulch]

a good phys sword will be nice for crit

before paradoxica

then I saw I can add chaos pen and crit chance on paradox

[hard cliff]

ambush doesn't work with bladestorm fully

[crystal talon]

Yeah, notice how I said RV zerking?

[hard cliff]

yeah you just give up six links worth of damage now

[frigid wedge]

hell naw

[plush gulch]

basically we band aid our dmg with a second 6 link but he feels bad not having one buff gem working for the other one

[hard cliff]

it's not right

[crystal talon]

If you really want a second skill setup you could use static strike lol

[plush gulch]

me i don't care

[crystal talon]

bladestorm bad

[plush gulch]

? 😮

[elfin shale]

Bladestorm good :(

[plush gulch]

bladestorm hater ASSEMBLE

[proud gorge]

hmm, I've had an idea, but I'm not sure if it's possible

[plush gulch]

tbh I only really want to build around RVzerker behemith

I can't care less about the other six link

[fossil mural]

Ur bad

[crystal talon]

Also I don't wanna be that guy, but why not just play whisperer

[hard cliff]

it's half your damage

[proud gorge]

oh wait, aw, that mod already exists on Incandescent Heart, so it's just barely not possible

[hard cliff]

bladestorm whisperer

how

[crystal talon]

RV zerking whisperer

[proud gorge]

you can at most have 85% of elemental damage taken as chaos

[hard cliff]

where are you getting max rage from?

[crystal talon]

Why would you need max rage?

[plush gulch]

im a noob my noob brain don't feel it looks as cool as behemoth

[hard cliff]

it's a rage build

[plush gulch]

but that's a good idea

[crystal talon]

You need rage sustain

Not max rage

[hard cliff]

you also need max rage

[crystal talon]

No you don't lol

[fossil mural]

Yea behemoth deletes your warcries and auras - its one of a kind

[hard cliff]

yes you do

[crystal talon]

Normal rage vortex scales with max rage.

RV zerking doens't

[plush gulch]

thats what cool about it it's unique you build around it and you have rampage

100% ms and 50% incr dmg

[hard cliff]

doesn't make any sense to play rage and not go rage

might as well go tornado shot Templar at that point

[plush gulch]

at all time

[hard cliff]

@plush gulch

[crystal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/anti-anime-sonic-says-sonic-anime-anime-cringe-gif-21514865

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/goal-couple-cry-baby-gif-14030270

@plush gulch
I think behemoth is gonna be bait

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-turtle-bite-gif-7936971

[plush gulch]

nah I don't follow you on this point rage is like our mana to cast it almost obviously it's nice buff but not needed. Still being a dexterity side character put me off

where do we get our dmg node

do we need a visa

to travel

[crystal talon]

u click mana. That is your damage on whisperer

[fossil mural]

And then buy indigon

And then play kboc

[plush gulch]

ngl I saw a rv zerker build with EE

it was 1B dps

[crystal talon]

[plush gulch]

near immortal

but here we go mana

[hard cliff]

. I think I'm dumping Behemoth man it's just not going to work I'll pick something an hour before the league starts.

[plush gulch]

funny

[crystal talon]

I know a few people def played RV zerking whisperer last phercia

[hard cliff]

you have fun but ggg fucked marauder this league

it's over

[crystal talon]

https://youtu.be/i_Tzsk0tsmk?si=lbhJgUIUM1vsAJ7D here is one example

[plush gulch]

you are too negative

it's not as bad

he got to very good number dps and tanking wise and you can go higher

and be it voidforge or str stacking like we wanted to do it can only get better

it's not meta for a reason i get it

not amazing

[hard cliff]

If you are pessimistic about everything then nothing will surprise you except good news

[plush gulch]

thx im gonna check it

[soft perch]

legit think theres like 2 or 3 good starters zzz

[crystal talon]

nah, there is like 6 or 7 at least.

[soft perch]

i hate u

[plush gulch]

you can probably start anything on templar

[soft perch]

phrecia ascendancies are so squishy and rely hard on gimmicks

[plush gulch]

polytheist

[dreamy charm]

life stacking bog shaman / hoag herald / and what else minions maybe?

[soft perch]

how damage if ur polytheist lul

[plush gulch]

you don't need gazillion of dps to get your voidstone

[hard cliff]

polytheist is horrible

[plush gulch]

but i feel the same they lack dmg node it's crazy

[soft perch]

theres a difference between gazillions of dps and ascendancy gives u almost no damage at all

[plush gulch]

they give so much defense

you should chill

[soft perch]

wat

[hard cliff]

glacial cascade mines shav

[plush gulch]

until red map

[proud gorge]

hmm, I've had a thought

[hard cliff]

I gotta go finish this book you guys behave

[plush gulch]

thats dangerous

[proud gorge]

is there a good way to make a bow attack cost a stupid amount of mana

like, a ridiculous amount of mana cost

[crystal talon]

Indigon

[proud gorge]

unfortunately Archmage only applies to spells

[elfin shale]

Uhhh

Does it need to be a cost

[proud gorge]

yeah

[elfin shale]

Whisperer has 100% inc costs

[crystal talon]

but fr. literally just indigon and press arcane cloak

[proud gorge]

I want to scale the shit out of Manaforged Arrows with Foulborn Quill Rain

[elfin shale]

That doesnt work

You need to actually spend the mana for mfa to go off

Unfortunately

[proud gorge]

no I mean like, oh wait I guess it's a trigger skill

so you can't just manual cast it

unfortunate

and even if you could find some way to trigger it constantly, it has a cooldown

[soft perch]

wow manaforged arrow whisperer what a new and unique build

[crystal talon]

splaff cranky cause he can't think of builds 😔

[proud gorge]

I want to do some memes with Foulborn Quill Rain and Replica Lavianga's

but there's several issues

[plush gulch]

i think it should be pretty much solved

sadly

[proud gorge]

for one, if MFA doesn't work, then what else actually benefits from ramping mana costs

[plush gulch]

everyone and their mother build crafting manaforge arrow phrecia

their mother is very talented btw

[proud gorge]

and for two, very few ways to scale mana costs to insane degrees outside of Indigon

but yeah, I guess my dreams of Replica Quill Rain memes have been eaten

by the MFA Whisper machine

[soft perch]

actually true

im logging in impending doom

[crystal talon]

[soft perch]

hoag until vixens + foulborn doedres and then impending doom

💀

[proud gorge]

there's gotta be something here

[soft perch]

its like the only actual low investment speedy relatively tanky build that isnt fucking ancestral commander related i can think of that lets me spend currency on idols

[plush gulch]

ambush is that strong damn

[granite breach]

is there a build tier list for legacy of phrecia anyone's seen?

[plush gulch]

okay behemoth won't be this bad

[tight plinth]

[plush gulch]

how can it be with this

barely any crit investment

[fossil mural]

Oh no

Not the tier list andys

[proud gorge]

Phantasm... Null Inclination... MFA? Heartbound Loop? CWDT? Replica Mechanism?

is that anything?

[plush gulch]

what minion skill do u use

[soft perch]

no

[proud gorge]

the Phantasms are the minions

[plush gulch]

oh ok

where are your dmg ability

xD

too many chinese word

here

[fossil mural]

1h weapons

Cant use unarmed

[proud gorge]

so they go out there, and when they die they trigger Heartbound to trigger some CWDT spell which triggers Replica Maloney

[light merlin]

update in 10?

[plush gulch]

str stack and paradoxica

i'll have to be strong until then

[proud gorge]

which triggers the MFA in your Null's Inclination

which casts Rain of Arrows of Saturation probably

which summons more spectres

[soft perch]

how are they dying

[frigid wedge]

god i love this

[proud gorge]

it's, like, a really shitty loop

[proud gorge]

they time out

Phantasms only last for, like, I dunno a bit

I guess you'd need some other minion somewhere to start the loop

but at that point the CWDT portion is unnecessary

[soft perch]

there is no real loop here

[plush gulch]

guys do you have idea of other stuff I can snapshot my rv zerker with ?

[proud gorge]

just have a 6l SRS in your chest to trigger Replica Maloney

[fossil mural]

Fishing rod enjoyer?

[frigid wedge]

ye but this isnt a phrecia build

[fossil mural]

You just runegraft it anyway

[frigid wedge]

yes

[proud gorge]

no it's a very basic loop, the spectres are summoned, they die much later, them dying causes you to take damage, which triggers a spell, which triggers Replica Maloney, which triggers MFA, which triggers Rain of Arrows of Saturation, which summons spectres. It's just a very slow loop.

but it means the spectres should, theoretically, replace themselves

but in practice like I said it'd probably be easiest to just have an SRS setup somewhere

and do away with the whole Heartbound Loop CWDT portion

then again, if you're running that one helmet that doubles your max spectres you wouldn't be able to run SRS

so you'd just have to start the loop by casting literally any other spell?

[soft perch]

this is just a skeleton looper with a bunch of extra useless shit that doesnt actually do anything of value

[proud gorge]

it works, but seems worse than that one weapon that gives you spectres

[soft perch]

cuz a) phantasms themselves dont sustain it so you need a second minion

[proud gorge]

why would the phantasms not sustain it

[soft perch]

and b) the best minion is summon skeleton cuz of reduced duration jewel

because their duration is too long

[proud gorge]

again this isn't actually a CWDT looper

[soft perch]

and you refresh phantasms when you trigger them

[proud gorge]

it's an auto-summon phantasm build

[soft perch]

they dont die unless they take damage

or time out without you hitting anything

[proud gorge]

they die at the end of their duration

[fossil mural]

Which is

[soft perch]

yes and u refresh their duration

[fossil mural]

15 seconds

Btw

[proud gorge]

timing out counts as dying

yeah

[soft perch]

so ur not gonna hit anything for 15 seconds

[fossil mural]

15 second loop

Now we talking

[proud gorge]

the phantasms kill things

[soft perch]

there is no loop here

[proud gorge]

that's the point

it's a phantasm minion build

[soft perch]

if u want a phantasm minion build use the staff

its significantly better

[proud gorge]

well yes that's what I was getting around to

[fossil mural]

He doesnt want to press any buttons

So we make this hillarious dogshit

[proud gorge]

but yes, the basic concept here is "hey this weapon means that it's possible to make a zero button Phantasm build"

[soft perch]

phantasms arent particularly good btw

soulwrest is ok

[proud gorge]

I'm looking at all the Foulborn items in order to see what weird-ass jank you might be able to do with them

and this is certainly some weird-ass jank lmao

[crystal talon]

#1┃general message

😔

[fossil mural]

Qotf spark

[proud gorge]

yeah

the projectile speed QotF is funny

[stuck phoenix]

PoE 1 PC servers are restarting in: 00:16:11
. They should be back up in approximately 15 minutes.

gaming

[proud gorge]

but unfortunately people only seem to want to run the one that removes the reduced movespeed

[tight plinth]

gaming

[proud gorge]

alas

[hybrid harness]

damnation node on herald, cuz of wording it doesnt actually allow for 100% dr right even if u took 4 hits within 4sec?

idk if reduced or less is the good one

[fossil mural]

Is lone messager even good?

[past rain]

24h till phrecia

or how long

?

[fossil mural]

Losing auras

[hybrid harness]

ye like 24h

[fossil mural]

It refreshes psure

[proud gorge]

"Projectiles Pierce all nearby targets" on Foulborn Chin Sol

[hybrid harness]

oh it doesnt stack?

[proud gorge]

honestly I can't think of anything that really does anything with, other than the intended use of letting projectiles pierce all nearby targets lmao

too bad there's no such thing as multi-return

[pulsar dune]

If you had a gem that had a projectile follow your cursor it'd work

But that's not a thing in poe

[fossil mural]

I am certain it doesnt. Youd be able to get elemental damage immunity with scolds or smth

[fossil mural]

Would be dope

[proud gorge]

yeah, we need to petition GGG to add "Guided Arrow"

a channeling skill

[pulsar dune]

Sounds good

[hybrid harness]

25% dr still good I guess, doesnt work for slams though

[proud gorge]

where you just sort of jerk your mouse all over the screen

[hexed mountain]

on some setups yeah

you can reach hilarious effect of one herald if you invest

[stuck phoenix]

two things. It's not DR, it's reduced damage. Second thing, it's "recently", which means it's just a conditional

[fossil mural]

Is spell life leech hard to get?

[proud gorge]

yes

[pulsar dune]

Usually I find myself grabbing element-specific leech

[proud gorge]

well, elemental life leech is pretty easy though

[hybrid harness]

what would dr be then

[proud gorge]

lots of good sources of elemental leech

[dark grove]

Its so hard deciding on build...