1┃general

[split maple]

Since otherwise Casie wouldn't be doing it

[fossil mural]

It has objectives like unique maps, citadels and anomalies

[native token]

bruh i just did it because mapping is freaking garbage in poe2

[whole bluff]

So it never ends, great

[hoary scarab]

just dont lose

[native token]

and i coudnt stand 5% movespeed

[whole bluff]

Stuck in atlas progression forever

[elder marlin]

what r the option for attribute scaling weapon for spell?

[native token]

https://imgur.com/Uq4lHvr

people still playing poe2

crazy

[hoary scarab]

juiqanis?

[fossil mural]

You progress atlas by getting atlas passives. Thats the goal of poe1 atlas completion, and it exists in poe2

[split maple]

come farm beast to phrecia

i dont want to suffer alone

[elder marlin]

outside of that

[hoary scarab]

uhh

none

[lean urchin]

whispering ice

[fossil mural]

Lmao

Just play temporalis

Also bring back old qotf man

[split maple]

just do omni if you want to stack and do spells

[whole bluff]

Ah, right poe2 has a couple of atlas shrubberies

[elder marlin]

i put omni in and my dmg is gone

[native token]

you going to play ssfchadmode or tradeandy losermode tomorrow

[split maple]

well duh you need to build for it

[split maple]

we suffering ssf yea

[native token]

ill play the loser mode

[fossil mural]

Thats the chad way

[lean urchin]

or else u cant rmt

[split maple]

why you cheating cas

[fossil mural]

To not care what others think

[native token]

i wanna play with some friends

[fossil mural]

How am I to pay for rent

[split maple]

you gonna play for 2 days make a 10mirr build then stop

[native token]

and they want to play async cheating

[split maple]

eh see ya in ssf day 4 ig

[native token]

maybe xdd

[supple moth]

Anyone know if surfcaster elemental hit build will be a bait? mainly what this bloke is cooking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRO0Qe45xtI

(sorry for all the questions, im dogshit and new at this game)

[elder marlin]

https://pobb.in/aq7xbG5KxDGP bloodmage is kinda awkward

[fossil mural]

I want to see how hard ot is to push good dps on vaal cold snap

And maybe finally make enough currency to afford an unarmed build

[native token]

3 weeks is sadly not enough

[fossil mural]

"Bloke"

[native token]

for ssf giga idols

[fossil mural]

Thats a cat

[native token]

go play bv pogshaman

only good build

[fossil mural]

But rue doesnt do bait builds I think?

At least I dont remember that

[hoary scarab]

[fossil mural]

They always seem fine at any budget

[gentle finch]

its fine, tanky enough damage scaling is solid, may not want to play it past getting a mageblood. better builds to invest into but its fine

ull clear atlas very well with it

[split maple]

wasnt rue kinda creepo this league

[fossil mural]

Lmao

Tbh they both were

Rue just brought it up to public for some reason

[supple moth]

Ive got like 4 builds i wanna play now :||| think im putting them all on a wheel and spinning it

[tranquil sedge]

ye the reason doesnt matter, its good he made it public

now sane ppl know to avoid him lol

[elder marlin]

whats that?

[fossil mural]

Bobs was saying weird shit too

[tranquil sedge]

blade vortex bog shaman

[elder marlin]

ah ok nty

[native token]

its pog

trust

[fossil mural]

But its between them

[fossil mural]

I wouldnt trust a cat with that face ngl

Why bv for bog shaman

Poison?

[tranquil sedge]

ye not saying wasn't weird either, esp. if u choose to remain in the conversation after that, at some point its your own fault

but still good to know who to not bother paying attention to 😄

[lusty forge]

[Q] if i want to play scion , i have to create another class first - get to act 3 to unlock her then i have to re create another char from scratch to level up the scion again right ? u can directly switch ur current char to scion when u unlock her am i right ?

[tranquil sedge]

yes first part
no second part

[split maple]

you can unlock scion now in keepers

and she will be available in phrecia from start

its shared between leagues

[tranquil sedge]

^ its just once per ur entire account

[fossil mural]

[Q] why did you put [Q] at the start

[native token]

20k life

[tranquil sedge]

q.q

[fossil mural]

Yea but

What does that do for bv

[hoary scarab]

Q-Q

[native token]

life scaling. sacrifice support + rathpit

0 chaos res

giga duration

and aoe notes

[fossil mural]

Oh lol I didnt even know that support existed

[native token]

you run around

[fossil mural]

Shame it doesnt work for dots

[native token]

with 20k life

and 5k life/sec

[supple moth]

Is the main build for RF bog shaman a life stacker? (last thing i promise)

[frigid wedge]

am I just meant to click sunder to level a marauder for a caster

[icy zinc]

surfcaster losing 7% ms , unplayable

[fossil mural]

Without dissolution too

Kinda crazy

[frigid wedge]

if ur clicking bog shaman ur stacking life to some degree

[fossil mural]

Wish atziris regalia existed in poe1 doe

1.5k es

😩

[frigid wedge]

hmm

[supple moth]

The best way to pick a build, gonna spin it tomorrow 😮

[fossil mural]

Why not now

[tranquil sedge]

the less time you have to plan, the better
YOLO

[tight plinth]

the best time to pick a starter is when youre in queue

[supple moth]

less time to procrastinate

[fossil mural]

Also rf is just a buff to vaal cold snap

[tranquil sedge]

-# but ur procrastinating by not doing it now

[supple moth]

💀

[fossil mural]

Once you are on char select

Go with the vibes

[frigid wedge]

the beach

[scarlet jacinth]

New league, rhoa buff when?

[frigid wedge]

next time floris

floris what build r u rollubg

[proud gorge]

man what's the odds of Abyssal Depths even

[tight plinth]

the next time they buff acts, its going to be act1 and 2 again for some reason

[proud gorge]

I've done so many

[lean urchin]

with atlas passive i found 4 quite fast

[proud gorge]

I just have 1 left

[fossil mural]

So even less new players stick to the game and go to poe2, duh

[tight plinth]

nah theyve been doing that before poe2

[fossil mural]

Conditioning so when poe2 came out everyone would go there

[scarlet jacinth]

Animate weapon. The ascendancy is quite fun for the dmg scaling early on

Lvl85~ 5 link covenant sits at 12mill dps

We don't talk about the ehp tho

[fossil mural]

I really like the idea of animate guardian with animate weapon

I might do that ngl

My first minion build

[misty schooner]

Ï am definitivly going with KBOC whisperer! Why you ask" Because I love playing most played build as the cost for all core items are so high (indigo) that it forces me to learn game more so I am able to afford it!! Imagine playing some off meta build which would cost only few chaos to set up that would be way to boring !!!! Indigo here I am !!!

[fossil mural]

Indigon high chance drop

Just farm it

[scarlet jacinth]

Ag for buffs and culling later on. I got pobs for the build if u want to start it.. it feels simular to holy relic

[icy zinc]

ayt ...

[fossil mural]

Lily said its probably bad as a starter

[frigid wedge]

didn't u just do that

[frigid wedge]

so chains of command

[fossil mural]

I mean the node specifically

[misty schooner]

I played so far only 900 hours and never ever farmed uber elder. Only time when I see him when I do unlocs via service 😄

[frigid wedge]

?

[scarlet jacinth]

Yea.. i wanted to try something else but its just such an easy build for t16 rushing and basic uber farming. (Totally not after indigons)

[fossil mural]

How they get splash and buffs from guardian

[frigid wedge]

floris have u any experience starting caster marauder

[tranquil sedge]

you can use mind of the council before indigon and that'll be like 10x cheaper as a stepping stone

thats what quite a lot of ppl will probably do

[fossil mural]

I feel like the comment was a joke

[misty schooner]

and can you solo uber with KBOC ?

[tranquil sedge]

yes.

[fossil mural]

Kboc has good single target no

Cause shotguns or smth

[frigid wedge]

sorta

kboc whisperer does

[tranquil sedge]

its mainly a clear build but itll have enough to do what he wants normally

and whisperer ramps up the dps more

so its fine

[hoary scarab]

use kinetic rain

trustge

[fossil mural]

Shame you cant do 100% mom

[hoary scarab]

totally not bait

[scarlet jacinth]

Obviously ya use default attack

[lean urchin]

i can 100% do your mum

[fossil mural]

You wish

[hoary scarab]

gottem

[split pagoda]

cyclone AC might be a little sketch

[frigid wedge]

kboc whisperer doesnt allocate the whisperer node for flat lightning

[icy zinc]

gonna go practice for phrecia real quick

[fossil mural]

All the more reason to trust

[frigid wedge]

why it look like that

[icy zinc]

🔨

fat

[paper root]

No idea what to play tomorrow

[frigid wedge]

im going to leaguestart an attribute stacker and if its shit i will play it

[hoary scarab]

poe1

[icy zinc]

same

[scarlet jacinth]

Flicker strike?

[icy zinc]

tried out pobbing berserking rage vortex

[paper root]

@hoary scarab

[icy zinc]

dead cause no warcries

behemoth

[hoary scarab]

[icy zinc]

herald dead cause bad with early campaign in gauntlet conditions

cant use auras aka hatred

[fossil mural]

Boycott flicker until ggg asks youtube to unban magefist

[icy zinc]

so reap cold mines is bad on herald

[paper root]

So many kboc enjoyed though; but I don't have as much time to play

[frigid wedge]

hes not

[hoary scarab]

he deserves it for AI voiceover

[supple moth]

Yeah that one is a bit debatable for me tbh, i saw this vid on it incase u were curious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8cUIQf_Kx4
Ill probably end up removing this one tbh

[frigid wedge]

uh

[scarlet jacinth]

Let magefist do his ai voice, atleast its better then those shitty bait chanels

[fossil mural]

Lily said itll be giga tanky too. Ac eq or earthshitter I believe

[supple moth]

She said earthshatter for it

[fossil mural]

Maybe not bait

[frigid wedge]

id rather listen to magefist voiceover for 20 mins than listen to palsteron form a single sentence

[supple moth]

I feel like Rf bog sham, or AC earthshatter

[tranquil sedge]

if u make an ancestral com build not tanky that would be impressive tbh

[supple moth]

As a starter

[frigid wedge]

isnt it technically less tanky than jugg now

[split pagoda]

yeah the problem is cyclone not AC

[silent leaf]

DoD makes it tankier

[tranquil sedge]

idk
but aint no jugg in phrecia

[split pagoda]

nah AC is quite alot tankier

[fossil mural]

Rf bog sounds like giga bait

Early

[steady elk]

hello is it precia yet

[tranquil sedge]

it has built in dod and +2 max endu

it cant be not tanky

[silent leaf]

the funniest thing about cyclone players

[scarlet jacinth]

Tomorrow

[silent leaf]

is when they cry about not being able to do fortress on league start keepers

[frigid wedge]

rf bog sounds aight but until fb rathpith i wouldnt be touching it

[fossil mural]

Yea why I added "early"

[steady elk]

shieeet alr

[fossil mural]

That rathpith might cost a penny

[frigid wedge]

doesn't normal rathpith spell dmg work acc

[steady elk]

i was thinking of trying flickerstrike for the first time

yay or nay?

[frigid wedge]

syre

why not

[scarlet jacinth]

I am not looking forward to getting the stupid body armour.. i hate needing 4 offcolours

[fossil mural]

Isnt rf not spell damage?

[steady elk]

cuz this would be my 3rd character and im not familiar with some of the other setups

incl phrecia stuff

[silent leaf]

spell damage is a huge no no for RF

[dusky void]

is that good for a herald autobomber with no guard skill no flasks active and no frostshield so realistic bossing dps and tank progenesis and other stuff can increase dmg and tank by ALOT during mapping

[frigid wedge]

oh i thought it has similar line to reap

it doesn't

[fossil mural]

Yea thats why cold snap is better

[split pagoda]

also yeah this video is straight up meme territory

[pulsar dune]

manaRF has the line

[frigid wedge]

sorry why does it have survivability

[split pagoda]

mageblood AC and these are his maxhits

icant

[supple moth]

Anyone know a good AC boneshatter build? if u guys reckon AC cyclone is a bait

[gentle ice]

i can't play anything else than chieftain RF anymore personally 🤣 the explode node is too good that's why i won't even bother trying RF in phrecia even tho i love RF

[scarlet jacinth]

Mana stackers about to turn choir of the storm amulet into a mirror item

[silent leaf]

cyclone and league start in the same sentence = giga bait

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[frigid wedge]

scav has explode

[scarlet jacinth]

The foulborn is scuffed

[fossil mural]

Yea foulborn choir

Is something

[scarlet jacinth]

I made sure to buy 2 for standard silliness

[dusky void]

i HATE glass cannons first thing i check in every build is max hit and way to recover life or ES if it has less than 20k phys max hit and other stuff doesnt look well either i dont consider playing it even if it has 1billion dps on 10div budget

[gentle ice]

yeah but it's not as effective... i've tried in previous phrecia and it does nothing 😱

[fossil mural]

Wish that giga res body in std was lightning

[split pagoda]

bleed boneshatter AC is strong but most people enjoy earthshatter gameplay more

[scarlet jacinth]

Because why not, why shouldn't i get millions of armour

[silent leaf]

then you have these 3

[frigid wedge]

my herald autobomber has 8k max phys

[gentle ice]

RF chieftain with explode node vs blight is soooo good and fun to see 🤣

[frigid wedge]

u do know that's just how explode plays

except worse bc its 5%

[dusky void]

yeah and im gone i dont understand how people can play with so low max hit and no crazy sustain the best thing in poe is go into a map get surounded by enemies get youre coffe and start playing if i die while gone build is trash

[fossil mural]

True

[final owl]

i'd take the glass canon with a billion dps for 10div myself

[supple moth]

Was there a recent pob for it? I cant find any recent pobs on earthshatter AC

[steady elk]

anyone got any decent flickertstrike guides?

[frigid wedge]

cant get surrounded if you make the local ecosystem evaporate

[gentle ice]

idk like i said i tried it in phrecia with the chaos explode obliteration i think?, and it was barely damaging enemies

[dusky void]

oh no that enemy had some mods so he stayed alive long enough to attack and youre oneshot thats not good gameplay

[fossil mural]

Is anyone actually playing spells btw

[scarlet jacinth]

Headhunter buffs = tank!

[frigid wedge]

i mean they get me to 5k life 8k es

[dusky void]

conditional non reliable BS i never used HH never will

[scarlet jacinth]

That sounds like a you problem

[split pagoda]

idk if any1 made a pob yet with the patch notes in mind

[final owl]

being morally opposed to HH is pretty funny tbh

[fossil mural]

I actually used hh for the first time this leg and its the worst shit ever

[split pagoda]

It's essentially gonna look the same as a jugg earthshatter build

[frigid wedge]

my enemy life % on my explode is 2700%, not worried

[fossil mural]

The moment I get shadewalker I have to remove the buffs

[scarlet jacinth]

Flicker at home

[fossil mural]

Flicker doesnt feel as bad

Idk why

Maybe cause its controlled to an extent

[frigid wedge]

flicker has control

[final owl]

probably because you're already jumping all over the screen

[scarlet jacinth]

Ye

HH is fun enough that i don't really care about the 1 or 2 annoying mods

[final owl]

I think they should remove it from the HH pool myself. but i also don't find it that bad. Leaving it in as a "balancing" aspect of HH is just.. bad balancing.

[frigid wedge]

the issue w shroud walker isnt it being random, its actually not fully random unless it changed since settlers, the issue is every hh build has screen clear

[frigid wedge]

the way ggg balances shit atm is making it feel awful to use

[fossil mural]

Or make it useless

[frigid wedge]

ye

[fossil mural]

B/alance

[frigid wedge]

but iirc shroudwalker actually partially gets controlled by the things u most recently hit

[final owl]

this weird idea that nothing can only have upsides

why, i dunno.

[fossil mural]

There is always a cost

[frigid wedge]

builds w hh just struggle to control what they hit

[fossil mural]

Even if a thing has only positives

[tranquil sedge]

poe2 should make clear the 'why'

jonathan, lol

[fossil mural]

It still takes up a slot

[tranquil sedge]

they have so many fuckin downsides everywhere

honestly feel bad for them lol

[dusky void]

only in poe 2 i use HH because belt slot is useless there and HH is needed for speed but in poe 1 you can become tanky get speed etc without HH so no need for unreliable stuff

[fossil mural]

They are getting there

Last patch was a big step

[final owl]

well sure, you're wearing a HH instead of a MB or whatever. i think that's enough myself.

[fossil mural]

Lots of bad uniques got changed where downside is upside

And are played now

[tranquil sedge]

ye ive been saying that game will be playable in 2028 or 2029 for most ppl 😄

myself included

definitely want to do a full playthrough of it at least once

just... after a few years

[fossil mural]

It also annoys me how they introduced a cool corrupt outcome

And then made a bunch of unique you cant overccorrupt stuff on

Like qotf or dweller

[tranquil sedge]

monkey's paw everywhere

[cyan elbow]

thoughts on conner converse's eblade build?

is it bait

[tranquil sedge]

nop

[dusky void]

connors builds are never bait

[tranquil sedge]

its a connor build lol
they're not bait and if they have issues he tells u clearly what they are

just watch the vid fully if ur interested

dont skip stuff

[split maple]

just maybe skip conner first two cheapest pobs

and go straight to mid one

dude has rly big tolerance to janky leaguestarts 😄

[split pagoda]

Connor builds aren't bait but he heavily overrates his builds imo

He always says x build is the strongest of the league but I don't think I have ever seen it be the case

Outside of literally just delve

[split maple]

hard to find a youtube video that isnt the best strongest build ever of league in general tho

[cyan elbow]

i played his jugg msoz in the past and it wasn't that great tbh, it worked but never as good as I think it should've been for the investment i put in (MB @500div budget or so)

[tranquil sedge]

that ^ but also his builds are giga strong i mean

[split pagoda]

I find him to be especially bad on that end tho

Idk why he says it

[tranquil sedge]

unfortunately the issue with this is that msoz jugg wants much more budget to be actually tanky xd

at 500d+mageblood u have dps but not much tank

[split maple]

i have to admit i rly just look at pobs, cannot stand to listen to him jap for 30min 😛

got srev to tell me when i mess up smh conner says in the vid

[scarlet jacinth]

Atleast its not palestrom

[normal hedge]

connor gonna say something like "this pob costs 100d" and in reality its at least 800

[split maple]

and it wont feel good until 1200

[scarlet jacinth]

100d before the video

[split maple]

dude is rly bad at both budgeting and at budget estimating

[cyan elbow]

I only ever play budget things since I never found the time to farm to 1k div+ builds

[normal hedge]

even if you play 2 ~ 3h a day during 4 months you can reach it

[cyan elbow]

I usually burst playing 6-7 hours the first 2 weeks and then quit league in the third

[normal hedge]

then you have the time

[tranquil sedge]

why do u quit 3 weeks in

burnout?

or boredom?

[cyan elbow]

not sure, either? After too much time farming content for small gains I'd just rather move on to playing other games

[scarlet jacinth]

I'll usually end up taking the first 2/3 days off after new league. Then play for 2 months till rerolling into jank

[normal hedge]

thats fair

[cyan elbow]

then i return next league for another 2-3 weeks

[tranquil sedge]

farming content for small gains
maybe u gotta try stepping that up

see if that makes a difference

[split maple]

Depends on definition of small gains

[urban copper]

guys im relatively new to poe 1 (200 hours total playtime) and completely new to phrecia, can anyone suggest a good ascendancy for cyclone user? im thinking aristocraft since it seems like it can fit any class or is there a better one?

[tranquil sedge]

start farming harder or at least more rewarding content sooner, push for at least 15-20d/hr

thats doable in basically any league

on basically any build i reckon

[fossil mural]

On basically any build

[tranquil sedge]

heh.

[final owl]

as soon as i realise any significant upgrade is more than one session away i tend to get bored

[fossil mural]

It still has to function or you will take long enough that 20divh will turn to 5

[split pagoda]

to be clear I think his builds are good even when you consider the budget level it's just the whole "best build" classification I'm referring to

[tranquil sedge]

anyway yea thats not to tell u how to play but like if lack of adequate earnings is a quit factor
you can definitely improve that

[cyan elbow]

I think I reach that point, but usually by the time i can do that type of juiced content upgrades are in the multiple hundreds of divines so after an entire day of farming for one

[tranquil sedge]

fair enough

[cyan elbow]

it's the ratio of how much I can farm vs how much I need that slowly goes down, despite absolute profit increasing over time

[split maple]

at this point i am kinda happy with upgrade per week tbh

[final owl]

yeah it's basically that. unless i get wildly lucky with my early farming it usually feels impossible to stay ahead of the inflation curve for the higher tier stuff

[split maple]

but its like day 80

[cyan elbow]

Also, I don't mind quitting league, lots of cool games and I really enjoy the first few weeks. I don't feel the need to dilute it over months instead

[final owl]

i tend to top out at a few hundred div and suddenly all upgrades are 100+ but by the time i get there will be.. more

[scarlet jacinth]

Thats why i tend to reroll into meme builds or absolutely scuffed things in the later bit

[cyan elbow]

but it does mean that builds that only get going after 1k div are not for me since i never get there

[fossil mural]

Thats why you gamble

Go big or go home

[scarlet jacinth]

Pray to tree in phrecia

[fossil mural]

I am def spamming boss for blood

And gambling ancient

[scarlet jacinth]

And kingsmarch 50k zanth for a few div daily

[split maple]

ancients were hella good to me this league

still worse than wretched cards but oh well

[fossil mural]

Hell nah

Screw mobile mechanics

[cyan elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/traumatized-soldier-trigno-amici24-war-moments-trigno-goes-to-war-cat-soldier-gif-16950991646919736905

[neat pulsar]

will phrecia be playlable as private league?

[fossil mural]

Core of kingsmarch should be that keystone on atlas and lost shipments

[scarlet jacinth]

This league i accidentally sold the 2corrupted implicits mageblood card for 5c.. am still upset

[fossil mural]

I actually think they should remove dusting items

And buff the dust from ghosts

[tight plinth]

that was you??

[cyan elbow]

(weird gif, just wanted the first part)
On that msoz jugg, I was 75% of the way to MB and gambled it to 0div

[fossil mural]

No

[cyan elbow]

i'll never gamble again that's the only time I was actually sad while playing

[indigo trout]

whats a good league start for phrecia? dont want it to become crazy expensive also, only played one league of poe1 so not that experienced

[fossil mural]

Imagine how happy you will be if you win pog

[scarlet jacinth]

It all balanced out in the end! Tree provided relief in full lock stack

[tranquil sedge]

in a what

[scarlet jacinth]

Eh?

[tranquil sedge]

a stack of hinekora locks from tree????

[scarlet jacinth]

Ya know funny tree

Haha

[final owl]

gambling is bad advice regardless of what arena it is given in.

[scarlet jacinth]

Gotta love how 1 lucky drop is worth more then i usually make in a full league

[tranquil sedge]

the comments on his videos are never not funny lmfao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFsk9zNDn74

[final owl]

i got a stack of perfect exalts from tree iirc. it was pretty good to me. not stack of locks good though obvs

[split maple]

1 2mod idol, others 1mod. should be in ballpark of nameless ritual per 10 maps, can worse that a tad for one more reroll

[tranquil sedge]

[scarlet jacinth]

Eh elaborate

[split maple]

prolly possible to get rid of some reduced reroll cost idols to fit in more reroll or special rewards chance

[scarlet jacinth]

Aah special reward chance stacking

[tranquil sedge]

this is probably the best one for me

[split maple]

yea was confirmed few leagues ago it works on nameless

and base chance for it is 1.5-2%

[scarlet jacinth]

Mmhm sounds like ritual may be a fun option then.

I was gonne just bossrush for fragments

[tranquil sedge]

destructive play rushing on elder/shaper maps will work too yup

[elder marlin]

https://pobb.in/0p1pdQ1SPJJY anything i can improve for this proof of concept?

[fossil mural]

Certified casual moment

[tranquil sedge]

and with idols u can kinda sustain ur own maps too for a large part

buy like 5-10 sets to start and you prob going for a while off that with good 2-3 mod idols

[split maple]

& 1 reroll base + 2x2 ritual of selectiveness + 3-4 rerolls from idols depend on setup = 8-9 audiences per map 😄

we getting that es lom

oh wait conq has 1-2 extra rerolls range

[tranquil sedge]

this video showed up on youtube
mfw poe brain first thought is how do you craft a mirror tier solar powered boat

[split maple]

scrath that, 12-13 audiences per map

[pulsar dune]

Are you sure about firestorm of meteors?

[elder marlin]

no

[pulsar dune]

I wouldn't selfcast a spell with an unscalable delay

[elder marlin]

probably, dont know what to use tho

[scarlet jacinth]

Will be doing what i did in phrecia with the scarab for map bosses in packs, bosses drop idols fairly often.

[tranquil sedge]

that would work too yup

[split pagoda]

loll ya they know but can't help it

[elder marlin]

what r spell with minor delay at 325% inc cast speed?

[tranquil sedge]

frostblink of wintry blast

[elder marlin]

cuz thats what i have in pob

[elder marlin]

dmging spell

[tranquil sedge]

who said that can't be one 😄

[normal hedge]

fbowb can do a lot of dmg

[fossil mural]

Frostblink does good damage

[proud gorge]

man, just had to deal with, of all things, a Soul Eater Adaptive Resistances Spell Resistant rare

during an abyss

[elder marlin]

no it doesnt

[pulsar dune]

Damage wise, best is incinerate of venting, if you use FBoWB to clear

[normal hedge]

it does two hits

[fossil mural]

Thats 100mil dps bruh

[pulsar dune]

It does ramp, but it doesn't do no damage at one stage

[fossil mural]

How is that bad

[split maple]

pretty good for movement skill you have to admit

[elder marlin]

how is my dps half of what pob said

[elder marlin]

yea

[proud gorge]

Frostblink hits twice

once at the start and once at the end

[split maple]

but what lak said, slap in incinerate somewhere for bosses

you will clear with fbowb allrite

[fossil mural]

2 hits

Pob doesnt account for that

[elder marlin]

how fast can u stack up incinerate?

[proud gorge]

depends on your cast speed

[proud gorge]

the more cast speed the faster Incinerate gains stacks

then pretty fast yeah

[pulsar dune]

3s accelerated by část speed

So like .75

IDK if anything will even survive the ramp tho lel

[split maple]

idk if anything would survive getting frostblinked through for two sec tbf

outside of invigo

[fossil mural]

Blight

[pulsar dune]

True true

[elder marlin]

looks good lol

this is at 20 stack

[normal hedge]

incinerate is prolly bad at blight anyways

more than bad

[pulsar dune]

Hm, surprised it's that close to firestorm of meteors

[split maple]

it has that lil ignite line there

[pulsar dune]

Did you adjust links?

[split maple]

just get some prolif

[normal hedge]

[elder marlin]

no

[pulsar dune]

Ah yea,can't spell echo it

[elder marlin]

ohhhhh

[pulsar dune]

Infused channeling is good.

[elder marlin]

if i swap frostblink for mapping, i wont run infused channeling

[pulsar dune]

Oh, do you not have a spare 4l for frostblink?

[fossil mural]

You dont need even half the dps of that frostblink

To clear anything

[elder marlin]

i mean i have another 6l

[fossil mural]

Would be better reserved for auras I imagine?

Unless you dont use or have any to use

[elder marlin]

bloodmagic+es scaling=aura stacking is kinda fked

[elder marlin]

i wish theres a better option than this

[fossil mural]

Oh yea

The int stick

Lule

[scarlet jacinth]

No foulborn options?

[elder marlin]

for frostblink this is quite decent

[tight plinth]

[frigid wedge]

eblade

[frigid wedge]

imagine having actual pobs for ur builds

[past mantle]

Bee blade.

[tight plinth]

[normal hedge]

117,026 life cost per second

[tight plinth]

doesnt include 20% life cost of sacrifice

i better kill the mob 1st cast

[frigid wedge]

man wtf are u playong

[frigid wedge]

wtf

[elder marlin]

[frigid wedge]

this better be dot reap

[elder marlin]

aristocrat

im building around the final ascendancy

[frigid wedge]

whats the skill

[frigid wedge]

ah

remind me why ppl use incinerate of venting again

[pulsar dune]

highest DE

[tranquil sedge]

big boi single target

[elder marlin]

2 6l, 1 for clear, 1 for boss

[graceful anvil]

Thoughts on best campaign build for phrecia ranger?

[tranquil sedge]

and thats because of what lak said, high damage effectiveness spell ^

[heady cliff]

how much do you want to reroll afterwards?

because just spamming bow wheels + ballistas is easy up to red maps

[elder marlin]

why tf is jiquani giving so much flat lightning?

[frigid wedge]

fun

[elder marlin]

i hate bloodmagic

[pulsar dune]

GGG wants non-level scaled spells to be real

[frigid wedge]

bc u have 2500 int?

i genuinely have no idea how to solve my cast speed

and pierce

maybe i can ask animeprincess

[pulsar dune]

(tbh, I do kinda agree that multiple incompatible stacker payoffs should exist)

[graceful anvil]

Not sure yet, trying to figure out how much better different options would be. And unsure if POE2 respec being cheap as heck has ruined my intuition since haven't played poe1 in awhile

[elder marlin]

[brazen vector]

I have no idea how to solve the "get chain of command early" issue

[pulsar ice]

icestorm is kinda decent already

[tranquil sedge]

well that answers ur own question

[pulsar dune]

yea, and eblade battlemage

[tranquil sedge]

upside with a downside

[pulsar dune]

there are some

but compare that to the number of different ways to get global attack flat

[pulsar ice]

true

[elder marlin]

guys, i dont think im surviving

[frigid wedge]

smh just die faster

[frigid wedge]

what are you personally using for that

[elder marlin]

grafts

the inc cast speed per dex

[frigid wedge]

dex

right ye

im literally gonna have 1 attribute and its str

0 int, like 10 dex (depend on uniques ig)

[elder marlin]

im ded

[frigid wedge]

but cast speed might be very uh

[elder marlin]

[frigid wedge]

reliant on 12 p

maybe i can use rf of arcane

and haste

but i doubt haste fits

[modern zinc]

the most insane part about playing specters in ssf is that the build defining uniques drop from endgame bosses

so you basically beat the game by the time you get them

which kinda makes them pointless tbh?

[tight plinth]

depends on your goals

[haughty ermine]

who wants to bet they're going to wait until like 4 days into the event to announce an extension (worst possible outcome)

[tight plinth]

for some people beating the boss in the goal, for some its min maxing a build to 100%

[dusky void]

can phercia add of drought to maps?

[tight plinth]

honestly ill take a week or two extension

[minor hull]

hi mods, not sure if this is allowed, but seems like a reasonable request, may we have a channel for phrecia eg #1 | Phrecia

[elder marlin]

drought is inscribe exclusive im pretty sure

[haughty ermine]

who wouldn't.

[minor hull]

no thank you

[potent bramble]

I'm hopeful for an extension b/c 3 weeks is kinda short to do everything I'm excited for... but the sooner they announce it, the better

[haughty ermine]

yep

there's people who are probably on the fence about playing because of the length, and probably a subset of them who wouldn't join after having an extension be announced AFTER a start

[potent bramble]

There's gonna be some people who won't play since its so short, another week or two might bring them in. But a week or two after two weeks are spent doesn't actually change the time available for those players

[minor hull]

theyr are trying to distract u from wanting 3.28, dont fall for it

we want 3.28

😄

[spice pecan]

im cool w phrecia tbh

[tight plinth]

dont care, as long as theres new things to do in poe1 im good

[eternal hill]

Weird way of typing dev resources to 0.5 post

[normal hedge]

extend phrecia til next year

[minor hull]

the usual distraction techniques, and everyone forgets theyre being deceived

[eternal hill]

rerun of Keeper shittlerpolis

[haughty ermine]

i'd quit for good

[minor hull]

So, Settlers of Phrecia until 2027 while they use Exile Con as the excuse, right.

[potent bramble]

You missed a conversation we had last night lol, I'd be totally okay with cutting down the number of new leagues each year by one and spacing the rest out more, then just do a consistent split of Phrecia and normal each league. It'd almost be two leagues per league that way

[minor hull]

but thats just one small statisticc of chatters wanting the same thing, i want the other thing

[potent bramble]

I agree, I'm hyped for 3.28 - but if another couple weeks would give them time to make it even better, I'm all for it

[steady elk]

why does everyone love phrecia so much

[potent bramble]

This is true. At the size of this player base, it'll be literally impossible for them to ever make everyone happy

[minor hull]

if u want phrecia it might as well go to a "Standard Hell version of phrecia" so those who want it can always go chill there

[crystal talon]

[potent bramble]

Speaking only for myself, it's the idols. New ascendencies are neat, but idols let me hyper-focus on the content I enjoy the most

[final owl]

1. different (ascendancies) 2) idols (allow for mega juice)

[minor hull]

or a simultaneous League Phrecia whilst 3.28 is running

[gentle ice]

phrecia juicing is so good is the reason for me personally 🤔 , i don't really care that much about alternate classes

[minor hull]

Like how we have ruthless etc per league, probably a phrecia per league, lol

[frigid wedge]

anyone know how spark of unpredicability works

is it consodered sequential

[minor hull]

the thing i really wanted, was Phrecia + Idols +.... wait for it....

MERCS!

[frigid wedge]

we knew mercs were going

[steady elk]

well i haven't hit the juiced maps part of endgame yet so what does that involve

[lapis lava]

Screw Mercs

[gentle ice]

if you're a player that only play the game up until maps and don't care about high-end juicing then you'll probably don't like phrecia 🤔

[dusky void]

ok wondered because im currently thinking maybe using a balbala flask setup

[minor hull]

wouldve been O P tho, with bloodlines

[steady elk]

can't say if i do or not im just new

[potent bramble]

If there was a way to do it, I would love to see a weakened version of idols go core. Use the Atlas Tree for scaling maps/bosses, idols for scaling mechanics

[hoary scarab]

atlas tree idol sockets pawg

[spice pecan]

god please no

[final owl]

if you havent played poe extensively phrecia is kind of a nothingburger. it's main draw is new stuff for people who have played the game too much (in it's normal form)'

[minor hull]

i sense that most people just play for Leaderboard rank if not for the glory of crafting mirror tier and feeling like winning

[spice pecan]

no one plays for leaderboards anymore

xdd

[minor hull]

really

[hoary scarab]

i play for fun

[spice pecan]

i guess first level 100 on poeninja is like about it

and maybe highest dps

[steady elk]

ah right

[minor hull]

lol i guess its cos i play PlayStation, the crowd are few and we know each other and its like a race

[hoary scarab]

leader board havent been a huge thing kn poe for centuries

eons even

[steady elk]

guess ill just treat it like any other league

[final owl]

idk leaderboard gives empy something to do sometimes

[steady elk]

i have 140 hours max

[gentle ice]

the normal atlas tree lets you specs into multiple league mechanics at a certain level of power where it's pretty fun
the idols system lets you spec into a single league to max the power to reach a much higher level of power it's even more fun 😄
if you're new tho you probably won't really see much difference between normal and phrecia

[potent bramble]

Simple answer: You can do exteeme persistent investments into the mechanics you want. As an example, in the normal game you can get to like 12 Harbingers/map where 50 (75%?) are bosses and they have a low chance to drop better items. Takes atlas and scarabs to do. With idols and scarabs you can get 25 and 100%, and still have the better loot and such

[final owl]

getting to the "fun" part of phrecia idols is really only for the play-way-too-much-and-know-how-to-get-wealthy types.

[minor hull]

what idol strat are you most keen on, harby, legion, rogue exiles, or what?

[potent bramble]

Or with the Immortal Syndicate, you were able to get 60 intelligence for a random safehouse each map, on top of what you'd normally get from interrogations

[steady elk]

jeez that makes sense then

maybe ill like this then

i never really liked doing random mechanics

[potent bramble]

Harbys for fun, Betrayal for profit is my goal

[steady elk]

what a lad

i hate betrayal

[gentle ice]

i'll personally start with whatever i find the most while completing the atlas since everything is fun in phrecia 😁

[silent leaf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/seal-seal-slapping-belly

[silent leaf]

most of us do, and they even nerf it

[normal hedge]

100+ red beast per map is fun

[minor hull]

the betrayal is increased rarity right? like super mf ?

[spice pecan]

only force myself to run betrayal if i need exp at this point

setting up board is actual cbt

[normal hedge]

nah you dont setup a board

you just run safehouses

[minor hull]

lol what for, to sell beasts? or crafting?

[potent bramble]

No, that's the one with the board of allies/rivals and such, where you fight Catarina at the end

[nocturne skiff]

AC Cyclone valid for lvl 90 and delete?

[normal hedge]

i'll keep frogs and sell the rest

[minor hull]

yea, but i mean... the idols have this strat where members grant increased rarity per equip or something, and i saw a guy was blasting MF getting t0's like crazy

[gentle ice]

how i run betrayal -> ignore the basement mission -> always kill everyone -> run safehouse once in a while 🤣

[proud gorge]

I don't understand why Faustus isn't letting me sell this Arrogance Support

[potent bramble]

Oh maybe, I dunno. Last time I just did the 60 Intel/map and made sure I could do the encounters each time

[minor hull]

i guess with new changes, the MF strats also got nerfed

[spice pecan]

it just bugs out sometimes, relog

[steady elk]

phrecia releasing tomorrow and i haven't even finished mapping on keepers kek

[crude moat]

Faustus is a humble guy

[potent bramble]

The goal was just running the safehouses as often as I could, for safehouse rewards and a shot at the boss fight. At the time, there was no medallion so it was mostly fishing for the uniques

[gentle ice]

yeah sometime you can't add items anymore for few minutes, not sure if that's a safety thing or just a bug

[proud gorge]

ah, that worked, thanks

[potent bramble]

This time around it'll probably be more about the medallions... I think in Keepers the Syndicate Medallion was like 2 div at one point?

[haughty ermine]

medallion and allflames

make up like 80% of the profit

[potent bramble]

Oh yeah, allflames too

[hoary scarab]

wait is phrecia tomorrow and not friday?

[gentle ice]

i hate the syndicate medallion change it was better before 😐 at least i was sure to be able to do catarina after a little while...

it's tomorrow 4pm est

[hoary scarab]

weirdge

[gentle ice]

<t:1769720400:F> <- in your local timezone

[hoary scarab]

thought they would atleast put it on weekend, even if its an event

[potent bramble]

Is Friday a holiday in NZ?

[hoary scarab]

monday was

iirc

[gentle ice]

events are almost always thursday afaik

[normal hedge]

its thursday because if it was friday someone would have to be in the office on saturday

[paper root]

Cata medallion for a boss that just insta phases than dies

[timid sapphire]

i am a changed man

no more hideout

only mapping

[normal hedge]

[timid sapphire]

like a good boy

dont shoo me unc

[gentle ice]

i hate medallion because i did like 20+ safehouse in mercenary league i think?, and didn't get any i've not tried in keepers

[normal hedge]

now you can have beasts for free and u're going to do maps?

[final owl]

being on the wrong side of the planet means everything on the internet starts at stupid times. 8am on a friday.

[timid sapphire]

im going to be farming blight

with full map effect

[frigid wedge]

what happened to you

[potent bramble]

Do yoh remember what map level you were farming at to get the safehouse intel?

[timid sapphire]

on quad explode pb

[frigid wedge]

how the greats have fallen

[final owl]

betrayal change was dumb too. it'd be nice if they managed to make mechanics better when they changed them and not worse

[timid sapphire]

i mean hey i dont mind mapping if it shit out mirrors xff

[gentle ice]

definitely 80+, pretty sure "most" of the safehouse i did were 83

[normal hedge]

chinese botters gonna farm so many beasts it gonna be so cheap to craft

[potent bramble]

Weird. I guess just get lucky then lol

[frigid wedge]

couldnt u farm other stuff than blight

[potent bramble]

Path to riches: step one, be lucky. Step two, don't be unlucky

[timid sapphire]

what else is gonna drop loot ?

[potent bramble]

Heist, unironically, if you map fast

[timid sapphire]

there is no way heist is gonna even come close to 5% of income a semi minmaxed blight setup will have

[gentle ice]

i wonder if heist will be popular in phrecia 🤔 same for sanctum

[timid sapphire]

heost when we have 200% map effect xdddd

[frigid wedge]

everything that dropped loot when we had mod effect that hasnt seen major patches

[timid sapphire]

blight with multiboxing aura bot

is gonna be bis

[potent bramble]

Not the actual heists, just farming contracts and blueprints. Roll contracts into deception, drop like 60-80% of blueprints as fully revealed

[normal hedge]

thats not even a mirror per week

lol

[frigid wedge]

allflame ember of the ethereal

and maybe meatsacks/propagating

[tranquil sedge]

getting donations from ur rich friends for money is probably the number 1 strat tho

[timid sapphire]

meatsacks might be aight

[tranquil sedge]

only requirement is having generous rich friends

[limber lance]

what are the odds that they extend phrecia and push the poe1 league?

[haughty ermine]

[tranquil sedge]

push the 3.28 league? no chance
extend phrecia? non-zero chance

[gentle ice]

that's usually how i lose all my currency 😐

[timid sapphire]

but i doubt its gonna come close to full map effect blight with 3-4 mid idols

specially cause u can multibox aura bot ontop and have him afk as a quant bot

[normal hedge]

blight not only has good drop it also shits gold and then you profit a lot buying 2x2 idols

[limber lance]

yeah ik i thinkn they definetly already have the content for the league and dont have to extend phrecia but 3 weeks seems a bit short, especially when the next league is starting early march

[tranquil sedge]

people were doing that even with just 1 aurabot lol and it was still good

[gentle ice]

i'm playing duo with a friend and he's not really good at making currency so i usually end up making currency for both of us 😐

[plush gulch]

my buiild kinda got nuked because of the patch and the removal of warcry behemot 😔 only in verly lategame strenght stacking can it be made up for with paradoxia

[timid sapphire]

well im only doing 1 aura bot cause i dont wanna break tos

[potent bramble]

Eventually I want/need to find a group that plays consistently and who I enjoy playing with. I wanna make an aurabot for the experience and the profit

[timid sapphire]

so my acc + afk aura on second client

[minor hull]

btw, if ur ever wanting to check ur rank, i made a ladder app, it can even show u past leagues like way back. as long as u were in the top 15000, and all ladders for past and future events. link in bio

[frigid wedge]

so... poe ninja?

[tranquil sedge]

ye thats why im not playing phrecia
im not banking on a chance of an extra week or two of phrecia cba
but its definitely a non-zero chance you get that little extra time

3.28 aint no way that's being delayed tho
we're already on a fucked poe1-poe2 schedule (poe2 league dropping one month after a poe1 league, instead of after 2 months), if 3.28 gets delayed it'll screw that up even more

[timid sapphire]

i mean i could prob host gold carries in blight maps ontop

and get 4 leechers

[tranquil sedge]

ye understandable

[timid sapphire]

🤔

[minor hull]

not builds, ladder, by classes etc. idk which part of poeninja has past ladders ?

[timid sapphire]

hell id even host them for free

just to get quant

[tranquil sedge]

the real issue would be ensuring nobody loots lol

not finding people

[potent bramble]

Ayo ping me if you get that going, I'll give you free quant in exchange for the gold share 🙂

[minor hull]

almost like a poeracing

[timid sapphire]

thats true, i bet a mirror would get yoinked eventually

[tranquil sedge]

coz people will happily come for the giga gold from blight

[proud gorge]

running Expedition logbooks is funny because you'll get shit like "Monsters have a 90% chance to avoid all damage from hits and a 100% chance to block attack and spell damage, and are immune to physical, fire, cold, and lightning damage, freeze on hit, poison on hit, bleed on hit, shock on hit, crit on every attack and take no damage half the time"

And then in return you get "Monsters have a 50% chance to drop an extra rare weapon and a random legion splinter"

[limber lance]

is it true that 3.28 will be the first league with a seperate dedicated poe1 team?

[tranquil sedge]

where did ya hear that

[frigid wedge]

why would u run logbooks tho, instead of in map expedition

[tranquil sedge]

first im hearing anything like that

[tranquil sedge]

its fun

[frigid wedge]

ive heard similar from someone else actually

[limber lance]

some guy under a video of conner claimed that. he stated a source i think

[proud gorge]

I gotta get my challenges done

[tranquil sedge]

week 1-3 you can prob make 7-10d/hr running tujen logbooks from personal experience
and when gwennen wasn't nerfed to the underworld, it was more like 10-12d/hr+ doing dannig books instead

[frigid wedge]

iirc its not so much separate as much as theyre supposedly guaranteeing that this team wont get taken for poo 2

[tranquil sedge]

huh
that would actually be kinda big if true

[tranquil sedge]

interesting

[timid sapphire]

in phercia u will have most idols 3 mod by end of week 1 anyway

and be printing hella munz

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Expedition does make a lot of money, it's just funny how it can basically only be run by, like, three builds

[tranquil sedge]

oh no not in phrecia definitely not

but in normal leagues

[minor hull]

i believe poeninja is Opt in, so u submit your build by choice right? my one uses top15000 from poe website, and past leagues are available too like synthesis etc

[tranquil sedge]

this isn't really true tbh

unless ur talking about big boom no brain required maps

[proud gorge]

yeah

[timid sapphire]

i low key hope they extend it by a week or so

[normal hedge]

big boom full scarabs is pretty hard

[limber lance]

yeah, im hoping for more actually impactful leagues and changes to poe1 not the now popular happy meal leagues

[normal hedge]

and any non chaos dot is pretty bad

[timid sapphire]

im kinda hyped to actually play the game for first time

[tranquil sedge]

if u mean logbooks most builds can run em fine, just a few excel at them above others

i.e. mainly dot + explodey builds

[timid sapphire]

in like 2+ years

i havent mapped sense affliction xpp

[proud gorge]

if you're carefully picking mods, sure, you can run it with most builds, but in practice who wants to sit there for several minutes carefully placing explosives to optimize for this or that remnant

[normal hedge]

ignite has immunity to fire and 100% chance to avoid ignite, its so dumb

[tranquil sedge]

RF, TR, caustic arrow, things like that are surprisingly good for logbooks

and if u got anything for explode then most builds go nobrainer after that

[frigid wedge]

conversion trap is technically best expedition build but ppl arent ready for that conversation

bc it just ignores mob immunities

[proud gorge]

I'm running Poison FRoSS, and it's pretty good

[brazen vector]

CoC discharge actually

[proud gorge]

the only mod I don't seem to be able to run is Immune to Chaos Damage

which obviously any chaos build can't run

[frigid wedge]

[normal hedge]

it also has avoid poison and block spells

so for big boom full scarabs is bad

doable for logbooks but theyre worse than mapping

[proud gorge]

does it? I've only seen avoid Chill, Freeze, Shock, and Ignite

also avoid all damage from hits

but most builds are vulnerable to that lmao

[wary urchin]

Guys, for phrecia league what will be a strong league starter thar can transition to super endgame juice maps? Will BV be good?

[tranquil sedge]

from personal experience running literal thousands of logbooks thats only true for a little while until u learn how to place them properly tbh

like every logbook is a few seconds of starting at map, one quick zoom around the arena keeping an eye out for big remnants (double runics, more artifacts from chests/mobs, stacked decks, etc.) if u want to, and then u just mostly yolo the chain after that

it adds like a minute per logbook tops but it's worth imo, but its definitely not several minutes or whatever

[normal hedge]

ah sorry not poison

[tranquil sedge]

ground dot builds and explodey builds are the most remannt-ignoring builds for logbooks tbh

[proud gorge]

makes sense yeah

[normal hedge]

but still can get 100% chance to block spells

[limber lance]

any ranger class, like KBoC or lightning arrow later trasnitioning into mfa

[frigid wedge]

u dont even need to go to mfa

u can stay kboc

[limber lance]

yeah true

[tranquil sedge]

like if ur playing something like righetous fire, or toxic rain, or caustic arrow, or anything like that, you have like maybe one remnant to avoid (immunity to chosen element)

[pulsar dune]

So the real answer is shaper beam

[proud gorge]

but yeah, personally I just generally don't like doing Expedition since I gotta think a bit to position things on most builds

[pulsar dune]

Since that does split damage

[tranquil sedge]

for most builds you can also pick up multiple ailment avoid or block chance etc. if u have enough dps to overcome the handicap

the only outright brick remnants are the immunity to damage

[elder marlin]

is this considered glass cannon?

[tranquil sedge]

if u dont read those and take em yea bricked book run a new one

[tranquil sedge]

no

[pulsar dune]

Nah

[normal hedge]

no 19k is decent

[pulsar dune]

Unless it's giga conditional

[karmic gust]

or your recovery is shit

[haughty ermine]

it's decent all around

[normal hedge]

but if u're talking about a 2,5k int stacker thats shitty

[haughty ermine]

yeah

recovery matters

[elder marlin]

no this is unconditional bc most of the max hit is es

[tranquil sedge]

as long as thats not like guard skills up etc. its fine for casual mapping
but thats low for more juiced content i think

[split pagoda]

thats enough maxhit to do several ubers if ur dps/recovery is good and u have decent mechanics

[elder marlin]

dont know how to get it higher

[proud gorge]

I mean, depends a bit on the build and how it functions (close range melee builds with delayed damage need more defenses than a long range instant burst fire build), but 19k phys is easily in the range where you should feel comfortable in almost all regular mapping scenarios (pre-T17/Uber tier)

[tranquil sedge]

post a pob

ppl will tell u xd

[elder marlin]

https://pobb.in/qeUJxOrjxE4s

[normal hedge]

could start by having defensive auras for example

[minor hull]

is Effective Hit Pool, an Average of all the damage types mitigation

[frigid wedge]

no

it considers avoidance and some types of recovery

[minor hull]

ok i see yea

[karmic gust]

this cant sustain the life cost no

[elder marlin]

barely

[minor hull]

but phy and chaos mitigation, after the other 3 res are capped, are also essential and the basic for it right ?

[elder marlin]

with incinerate atleast

[split maple]

That has one number too much at the end of each maxhit to be glass

[elder marlin]

frostblink im not sure

[karmic gust]

ah yea with incinerate is fine, frostblink you go like twice over

almost

[minor hull]

or would an evasion guy not care bout phys or other hit

[karmic gust]

can just get some rando life on kill or some shit for frostblink probably

[elder marlin]

yea, build seems fun, dont know how to optimise it tho

[proud gorge]

I've said it before, but the big breakpoints are:
6k to not get oneshot by literally everything
8k to not get oneshot by most things
12k to be safe to regular T16 mapping scenarios
16k to be safe to most extreme T16 mapping scenarios
24k to be safe to the majority of T17 mapping scenarios
27k to survive Uber Shaper Slam, the largest single phys hit in the game

[minor hull]

27k phys?

dam bro

[proud gorge]

and then 30k phys hit is usually the realm of "extremely tanky facetank ubers", though obviously it does depend on your recovery as well

[minor hull]

beyond, there is only horror

[visual stream]

i would just group 6k and 8k tho

[proud gorge]

I mean, 6k is the bare minimum

[visual stream]

below 8k mobs sneeze and u die

[split maple]

Idk, 6k is enough to tank abyss mods that are invulnerable on spawn, while 4k barely isn't from my experience with risks last league

It feels different

[minor hull]

i usually run, res at 80ish, Armor only, and Defiance of Destiny, and pump up my life pool

[haughty ermine]

i would instead divide them by 6k and 7k

[minor hull]

and leech to cover recovery

[proud gorge]

like, 6k is workable if you're a long range blaster who instakills enemies. It's bad, but you won't die instantly to a single stray arrow.

[hoary scarab]

6 and 7 huh

[haughty ermine]

yes, 6 and 7

[split maple]

Yeah 4k can only barely map, while 6k with enough dmg is comfy maper

8k feels immortal on heralder with caped block 😄

[normal hedge]

true

3k for juiced t16s
10k for juiced t17s

[proud gorge]

whereas 8k is in the realm where you still are a relatively squishy character, but you don't need to instapop everything

[split maple]

But that's stressful Long range gameplay

If you want to chill, take 20k

If you don't have 30mil instant DPS take 20k too

[visual stream]

idk last times even with 12k phys i still feel my char too squishy

[hoary scarab]

is this enough

[proud gorge]

Actual tankiness is a mix of max hit, recovery, and avoidance

[tranquil sedge]

thats one heck of a ring lol in singularitys pob

3 t1 attributes misted

[proud gorge]

if you have an insanely high max hit but zero recovery or avoidance you're going to feel very squishy

[minor hull]

reduced crit damage taken, is one to not overlook if ur taking hits

[split maple]

Ancestral commander?

[proud gorge]

see: Dissolution

[haughty ermine]

do u have recovery

[hoary scarab]

endurance stacker, ye

[split maple]

How much brand attachment range tho

[hoary scarab]

decent bit

[minor hull]

how bout leech / lgoh

recoup

[proud gorge]

max hit is just the first line of defense for a build

[haughty ermine]

is that with DoD

[visual stream]

Lc so melee spell cast

[proud gorge]

but there's perfectly valid Ultimatum farmers with 10k max hit that feel basically immortal

[visual stream]

[hoary scarab]

nvm that was with enduring cry

[minor hull]

remember, u have to have missing unreserved life, for DoD to work properly

[hoary scarab]

bout 10% life regen

[tranquil sedge]

slapping in a progenesis would be an easy upgrade over amethyst flask, and this pob has the budget for it

[split maple]

Lgoh and insta Leech would be best recovery layers if it wasn't for scenarios without Leech targets and you need to Play actively. But active playstyle makes Both nonissue, it's Just stress

[karmic gust]

well if you are tri attribute stacking wouldnt ivory be better? if you optimize for it at least

[proud gorge]

because they have really high avoidance and recovery, but also because 10k is enough for specifically the content that they're working in

[karmic gust]

like currently both dex and str is completely wasted there other than dreadful attitude and mastery pretty much, feels kinda bad

[proud gorge]

an Ultimatum farmer doesn't need to be able to survive a 16k phys hit, because they'll never get hit by one of those

[minor hull]

i use Petrified blood to stay at LowLife, so DoD can recover the missing life

[elder marlin]

yea

[pulsar dune]

At 4k life life flask is going to feel pretty good

[split pagoda]

schizo and genesis tree broke leftside builds this league

150k+ ele max hits possible on day1 xdd

[elder marlin]

i've looked through every equipment with scaling

[tranquil sedge]

shaper's touch would also add some tank at the expense of some dps

you also definitely need way more es leech/on-hit

[karmic gust]

yea shapersr touch is solid

[tranquil sedge]

you have too little

especially if u dont have a panic button like vaal discipline or something

[elder marlin]

is there anyway to transform melee phys to spell?

[hoary scarab]

from str?

ye

[spice pecan]

iron will

[tranquil sedge]

how 😮

[hoary scarab]

will iron

[elder marlin]

no, drom shaper's

[tranquil sedge]

he already has iron will allocated

he means from shaper's touch

[hoary scarab]

ah no

[tranquil sedge]

i mean you have giga dps already

i dont think its a bad thing to gain tank even if u lose some dps

[hoary scarab]

but funny number must go up

[karmic gust]

ngl i would just skip this whole part

[tranquil sedge]

this is with fucking frostblink lol

u can afford a dps hit

if it means more tank or more recovery

[hoary scarab]

on uber?

[karmic gust]

then i would grab instant leech, maybeghost dance/ghost reaver

slot in shapers touch and grace and done

[tranquil sedge]

guardian/pinnacle default

[karmic gust]

ez build

[hoary scarab]

hm

maybe i should go aristocrat

[tranquil sedge]

https://pobb.in/qeUJxOrjxE4s his pob

[hoary scarab]

honestly aristocrat tri ele shit doesnt seem that expensive to make

[tranquil sedge]

question tho if u have this kind of budget in mind and u wanna do incinerate/frostblink
why are you going aristocrat over scavenger?

coz just coz or some specific reason?

[elder marlin]

Final node of aris is literallythe core of the build

[normal hedge]

pob updated

[pulsar dune]

I wonder how captainlance will end up building this tbh

[hoary scarab]

bait

[pulsar dune]

More tanky for sure, since the plan is leaguestart valdos

[haughty ermine]

true

[hoary scarab]

yuge

[tranquil sedge]

fair enough its probably going to be more dps this way

[elder marlin]

The only reason why i go aris tri attri is bc of the last node of aris

[agile epoch]

What do legacy flasks sell for these days?

[tranquil sedge]

whats the estimated budget of ur pob

[tranquil sedge]

whatever they're priced at on trade site

that is an incredibly vague question xd

what flasks, what mods, etc.

[elder marlin]

x???

[tranquil sedge]

and we would have to look it up to tell you, so might as well cut out the middleman 😄

[agile epoch]

And if theyre not on the trade site?

Like 11% atk speed

[tranquil sedge]

wat

pic of flask?

[hoary scarab]

how legacy are we talking

[elder marlin]

The ring is crazy expensive to make

[agile epoch]

I dunno 10 years?

[past mantle]

4 asc points for 15 stacks of wither sounds obscene.

[agile epoch]

How long has the game been out?

[past mantle]

I need to think of a way to get wither.

[hoary scarab]

like 14 years os smthing

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/I06OwJgvQhcR i like something like this maybe

[hoary scarab]

isnt it already pretty old

[karmic gust]

for that setup

[tranquil sedge]

this is not an expensive mod on a random flask

[past mantle]

Oh wait I could.

Nevermind, maybe it's holy relic angle.

[tranquil sedge]

idk how u searched but theres like 3k non-unique flasks on standard with that mod lol

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/EBaWpXVYS5

[karmic gust]

can be made tad better ofc but ghost dance + ghost reaver

[hoary scarab]

he prolly searched in keepers

[tranquil sedge]

adjust the search for prefix and flask base type then the price goes up

[agile epoch]

Yeah probably

[tranquil sedge]

but unless u got some giga flask its not gonna be very expensive

[tranquil sedge]

-# i definitely didn't do that myself 3 times till i figured out my mistake

[hoary scarab]

never

[keen veldt]

wtf, act 1 overqual gloves

[brazen vector]

3.27 phrecia PoB is out

[hoary scarab]

just like i definitly didnt search a FF on poe2 trade today

[karmic gust]

actually it should be clicking influence not sovereignty mb

[sleek barn]

pobbing already

[brazen vector]

I just need to copy paste my stuffs

[hoary scarab]

straight up pobbin it

and with "it"

lets say

i mean my builds

[brazen vector]