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[hexed mountain]

just need a fast char to be efficient

[split maple]

Destructive Play print idols and with meta indigon frags will sell too

[hexed mountain]

and pray the normal lab layout isnt troll

[tranquil sedge]

when has harvest ever failed anyone

even zero investment harvest

[hoary scarab]

im not getting to maps on day one 🙁

[pliant hamlet]

Oh true, I can just run shaper rotas

and DP

So it's the exact same as SSF lol

[split maple]

50% for boss to drop idol

Maven bosses too

Yea

Just you sell frags and buy a carry for voidstones

Since bossing is expensive and big no no in trade

[pliant hamlet]

Rush ..what is it, 3 stones? spam t16 DP Silo

[tranquil sedge]

buy maven and uber elder stones if u need to

having all 4 is worth

[eternal folio]

very good point the other idea i had was surfcaster with freeze prolif maybe arc or divine ire

[pliant hamlet]

Idk how fast I'll be w/ not knowing wtf is good lol

[split maple]

I would Just buy shaper/elder Guardian maps

[pliant hamlet]

but I don't think buying day 1 maven/ue stones are worth it

[split maple]

With idols once you get good dp set you can sustain them

[tranquil sedge]

idk i think it'll pay off in t17 map drops

but yea what esm said

[potent bramble]

I'm hopeful to be able to go straight into Betrayal as the primary cash farm. Syndicate Medallions will surely be a good profit

[pliant hamlet]

oh shit no atlas, that's right

[lean vale]

anyone have any build suggestions for conqueror map farm builds? (doesnt have to just be for this mini league event, just looking for other builds out there that could be fun)

[pliant hamlet]

DP isn't free

[tranquil sedge]

its a unique idol i dont think it was very expensive lol even early on

[split maple]

It Will be close to free

[tranquil sedge]

like everyone only needs 1

[split maple]

At least last phrecia it was like 20c day 1

[tranquil sedge]

its supply will be bigly

[pliant hamlet]

Hmm, now I need a good build lol

[split maple]

And map drop idols were cheap too

[pliant hamlet]

Hey esm

[tranquil sedge]

and yea if ur doing destructive play just buy map sets and run them yourself

[pliant hamlet]

what have you always wanted to play but SSF doesn't let you

[hoary scarab]

str stacking molten strike poison arakaali

trustge

[hexed mountain]

damn with the slinger mastery and oshabi (no other reservation) i'm getting 23% mana reserved for a 6L slinger

[pliant hamlet]

did you put a bunch of terms in a scrabble bag and just play whatever 4 words pop out?

[hoary scarab]

....no

thats just your average poe build name

[pulsar dune]

str stack poison???

[pliant hamlet]

How are you poisoning with molten strike on day 1...why are you str stacking + envy?

How does this funciton w/o osin lol

[hoary scarab]

just get assassin FF day 1

duh

[pliant hamlet]

God, I forgot f/fs exist

[hoary scarab]

and replica alberons

[pliant hamlet]

I can actually play with f/fs

👀

[split maple]

Idk rly, I didn't play all that too many builds yet

[pliant hamlet]

I don't think I've ever had a f/f

[split maple]

Like New Phrecia Will be first time I do bows so I am hella excited

[hoary scarab]

but str stacking oshabi molten strike with brutus and alberons might actually be a thing

[stuck phoenix]

I've had some cheap ff pair at some point

[pliant hamlet]

oh hell yeah

[stuck phoenix]

Probably like a meh warden node or so

[split maple]

I feel sad maybe about shriner with that New sword this league?

[thick goblet]

esm can play anything in ssf, with his ulti mirror, mb, hh, 100% adorned

[modern zinc]

I have no idea how ward works

[hoary scarab]

its ES but for only 1 hit

[split maple]

Still waiting on that fflesh liege

[storm grail]

liege is spelled "light"

[stuck phoenix]

Incoming hit -ward = damage taken (can't go negative)
Ward gone

[split maple]

There are a few builds that are interesting to me but that i wouldn't do for practical reasons

[pliant hamlet]

baseline it's a big ass shield that you lose all of it when you take any direct damage. It recharges over 4s baseline.
There are ways to manipulate every part of that I think lol

[split maple]

Like chaisn of command is kinda interesting, but I never do enough ravageds to justify it

[hoary scarab]

funny that you had to clarify it doesnt go negative

[modern zinc]

you lose all of it?

bruh

[pliant hamlet]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Olroth's_Resolve

[hoary scarab]

in phrecia you can get ward recovery to like 0.77s or smthing

[pliant hamlet]

This item + big ward makes you essentially immortal

[modern zinc]

yeah I was looking at the ward ascension

[pliant hamlet]

you can also get ward recovery down to under a second

[modern zinc]

it looks cool af but I'm not confident enough to build around it

[pliant hamlet]

iirc there's a way to make it so if damage is less than 10% of your ward you don't lose it

[modern zinc]

I didn't play the last phrecia either so idk what idols are

[hexed mountain]

faster ward recovery and svalinn does the job yeah

[modern zinc]

and I just got ot maps

I guess they're super scarabs or smth

[hoary scarab]

like 30k ward with a decent hitpool/dissolution could prolly work for a wardshatter build ngl

[pliant hamlet]

yeah block is REALLY good with ward

Is more than skill a valuable ff?

like >1mir?

[pulsar dune]

capainlance is going to play a valdo farmer with it, so should be there

[pliant hamlet]

rip

[pulsar dune]

under normal circumstances I doubt it's over a mirror

[pliant hamlet]

I'm surprised it's not the most valuable f/f tbh

[hoary scarab]

more than skill is busted cause azadi

[pliant hamlet]

in my mind it's the best f/f

[split maple]

Hey @pliant hamlet whats the build you want that gsf doesn't let you get?

[pliant hamlet]

int/acc stacker this league. We had too many of em so I couldnt' play it

[split maple]

Whats the usual most expensive ff? The marauder less dmg one?

[hexed mountain]

the hidden ones

[pliant hamlet]

I'd guess the juggernaut accuracy stacking one

occy pops

more than skill or +1 multistrike

[hexed mountain]

fatal flourish is crazy too

[hoary scarab]

how expensive was the assassin all dmg poisons one this league

[pliant hamlet]

those are in my mind the 4 best ones

[hexed mountain]

like fatal flourish is litteraly 160% more damage in builds that use it

[split maple]

I was planning it for last month but then adorned happened so working on kboc instead

[hexed mountain]

absolute madness

[pulsar dune]

indom resolve seems highest

[pliant hamlet]

hah fair

There's a few builds that are cheap in trade but unplayable in ssf/gsf

Like that new totem kinetic fusilade build

[split maple]

Idk I did zenith once in trade and this accustacker looks to me same breed of build and while these are strong af it feels a tad not my style to me

[pliant hamlet]

Perfecting attack speed & duration looked like a nightmare

[split maple]

I want some more ergonomics 😄

[hexed mountain]

you dont need it perfect perfect

[pliant hamlet]

I thought you did

tell me more, I'm interested 😮

[hexed mountain]

i ran a KF build with 0.03 sec duration on warden

could gatling with faster shrine and echo

[pliant hamlet]

Think it'd be good in any phrecia ascendency?

I'm thinking of starting harbinger doedre scorn

but I'm completely willing to play something else lol

[hexed mountain]

scavenger is the "safe" tanky choice i'd say , but i would 100% go for a ranger if going kinetic fusillade myself

because oath of spring FF is insanely strong on KF

[pliant hamlet]

Think it's playable day 1? Scorn I know is really strong

and idm rerolling

farm up a few hundred divine and rr

[hexed mountain]

full lightning flat + replica heatshiver and oath of spring makes the damage skyrocket

[pulsar dune]

if you manually release the skill you can level with it pretty well

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[pliant hamlet]

wait, how do you release on totem?

[hexed mountain]

its viable right away level 12

not on totem

you can totem later if you want

[hoary scarab]

dang its really that cheap, i remember ppl saying its gonna be hundreds of div at the start

[pliant hamlet]

ahh

[proud gorge]

Alright, I'm back with the full data, so here's the whole thing
(tldr: Volatility + EE is actually better damage for EHit than Awakened Multistrike)

So, the amount of damage increase generated by EE's exposure comes out to 17.5% damage. With Multistrike Ehit choosing the same element for every repeat, this applies to only the first repeat of a multistrike, whereas without Multistrike is applies to every hit due to Ehit being guarenteed to choose a different element every time.

Awakened Multistrike comes out to 58.1% more damage, but with EE applying to only the first weakest hit, the keystone comes out to a measly 3.3% more effective damage, for a total 63.3% more damage.

By comparison, Volatility comes out to 55% more damage, but with EE applying to every hit, it provides the full 17.5% damage, for a total 82.1% more damage.

However, this does come with a cost, and that's mana cost per second. Awakened Multistrike spends only 40.53 mana per second, while Volatility spends 91.87. The build should leech easily enough mana to cover that higher cost though.

[hoary scarab]

league also dead tho

[west cloud]

are the intelligence gain idols stackable in phrecia? anyone tried it last league

[pliant hamlet]

late league, niche, not popular

[west cloud]

betrayal with 78 intelligence per map sounds nice 😮

[hexed mountain]

for leveling you just tap fusillade with lmp+volley+ added lightning until 38 when you replace both lmp/volley with greater volley

and whatever 4th sup is best for you

[hoary scarab]

ye, pretty much anything is stackable from idols

[pulsar dune]

for infused toxins, I think ppl just gave up on trickster

[hoary scarab]

trickster wasnt very popular huh

[proud gorge]

But yeah, turns out, assuming you can maintain mana costs, Volatility + full EE just straight up does more damage than Awakened Multistrike + the very weak one hit EE

[pliant hamlet]

How expensive are good rings usually?

[hexed mountain]

i think i saw them around 40c for 20 reduced when i checked but i played ssf

[pliant hamlet]

gsf experience is helicals are harder to get than mirrors

but no clue how it is in reality lol

[proud gorge]

and also if you're running Awakened Multistrike it's probably not worth it to run EE since it's only providing like 3.3% damage

[hexed mountain]

i really hope they confirm if there's is NO chance of making phrecia longer before leaguestart

[proud gorge]

Awakened/regular Multistrike are nice for attack speed, of course

[hexed mountain]

i would feel so bad if i go trade and they make it longer

[proud gorge]

and thus keeping up your elemental ailments

[hoary scarab]

wait wardshatter has a cooldown? sadge

[cerulean breach]

what's a good way to level bog shaman, storm burst totems?

[dreamy charm]

i tried ssf last phricia and it felt really bad as a casual player

[hoary scarab]

pconc

[cerulean breach]

[proud gorge]

oh wait, I had the "mode" set to lightning, which benefits from Volatility the most

lemme redo my calculations on Fire instead

which has the lowest benefit from Volatility

[crude moat]

It's not like ssf is precisely casual friendly, and even worse phrecia

[hoary scarab]

doesnt keepers tree make ssf a lot easier

[pliant hamlet]

yeah keepers ssf is insane

[hexed mountain]

i wouldnt level as bog shaman when herald has one of the best first labs of the game

[pliant hamlet]

but phrecia is very anti-ssf

[crude moat]

He said LAST phrecia

[split maple]

I am planning a pretty non-casual Phrecia and I am hella worried about droping dp idol early then grabing acceptable idol sets week1

Like its hella rng

[hexed mountain]

i go trade rather than SSF for the first time in years simply because three weeks isnt enough for a decent idol setup imo

[crude moat]

It's always 50/50

[cerulean breach]

200% inc mana reservation efficiency?

[split maple]

I Will be happy with 2x 2mod idol and bunch of 1mod ones :p

I feel that's enough for them morigans

[hexed mountain]

yeah you grab that and harold wheel than slap 5 heralds and it carries you for a long time

[cerulean breach]

meh

[hexed mountain]

its insanely strong early

[cerulean breach]

75% inc dur 75% inc aoe is also insane on storm burst totems

[hexed mountain]

the humble -50% ele resist

[cerulean breach]

-40

[dreamy charm]

in normal leagues ssf pretty chill for me playing slow but yea idols is complete RNG if you get a good set(s)

[proud gorge]

Alright, further correction, since I did have my Ehit setup set to Lightning, which obviously has the highest benefit from Volatility. If all three elements benefitted from Volatility for 55% damage increase, then that would be it, but unfortunately the other two elements recieve very minor benefits from Volatility, so the strongest support that actually provides a decent damage increase to all three elements is Close Combat

and Close Combat times the EE damage increase is pretty low actually

[hexed mountain]

ah yeah 50 was the old buffs

[proud gorge]

compared to Multistrike/Awakened Multistrike

[hexed mountain]

but either way on leaguestart i'm not sure you want -40 all res

[karmic gust]

its actually ~6% on average not 3% also how is volatility ever 55% more damage, even with lucky damage thats not even close

[hexed mountain]

i think act 6 might hurt

[proud gorge]

so nvm, if Close Combat is the next best option, Multistrike still does win

[hoary scarab]

bog witch honestly kinda dummy good for vaal cold snap spam

[karmic gust]

like not even REMOTELY close lol

[crude moat]

-40 ele res is pretty easy to counter tho

[proud gorge]

I posted a followup, my PoB was on lightning hit

[hexed mountain]

on league start in the campain?

[karmic gust]

ah i see

yea that makes more sense

[proud gorge]

it's kind of hard to find how much damage a support does for all portions of Ehit

but yeah

[crude moat]

You're pushing it lol, why would you calc shit for campaign?

[karmic gust]

close combat also oesnt rly work

[proud gorge]

yeah

[hoary scarab]

time to equip a foulborn veil of night

[proud gorge]

so yeah, looks like I'm stuck with Multistrike using the same element three times

[simple stag]

probably just gonna hold off on vile imprecation til maps that pacify buff looking fine for a 2nd point for acts

[karmic gust]

so next best option is woke edwa

[hexed mountain]

we were talking about how to level bog shaman and i was saying he should just take herald in lab 1 and respec later

[crude moat]

If you need to pob a whole build for beating acts, you got a big problem

[hexed mountain]

respec is basically free

[cerulean breach]

who said anything about pobbing a whole build

[crude moat]

Bog shaman first asc is not even the - 40% res

[hexed mountain]

no reason to hurt yourself

[karmic gust]

(assuming you dont already use it, but i use pulverize on my ele hit pob so dont have woke edwa there)

[proud gorge]

the real conclusion I've drawn is that EE is not really worth it with Multistrike, providing a functional 4.7% damage increase with regular Multistrike and 3.3% with Awakened Multistrike

so if you can get more than around 4.7% damage from that single passive point

[hexed mountain]

that's what he answered to my herald proposition i just answered the downside might be cringe

[proud gorge]

it'd probably be best to spend it elsewhere

[karmic gust]

for 1 point that is actually worth

plus it activates runegraft

[hexed mountain]

i just think that if you play any witch build its just better to herald lab 1 then respec it later

[simple stag]

what main skill for herald through acts?

[karmic gust]

but average good damage per point is 3%

[hexed mountain]

bladefall is nice

[karmic gust]

so anything thats above that

is pretty good

[hexed mountain]

but its generic damage you can really use anything tbh

[karmic gust]

but if you also skip the jewel behind it then yea its fine to drop

[hexed mountain]

whatever you fancy

[proud gorge]

which Runegraft? I only see of the Warp on this build

[karmic gust]

and if you also skip the graft

not runegraft graft sorry

[simple stag]

i just did a quick practice run of witch rf without liege man i forgot how annoying RF is in act 3

[proud gorge]

ah, yeah

graft graft

[karmic gust]

aegis tulgraft

[proud gorge]

but yeah, unfortunately the best support for the other two elements are kind of all over the place

[hexed mountain]

has someone checked if the minions from the runegraft of hive give you the per minion bonus ? it should right? they're listed as yours

[hard cliff]

why is this bad?

[crude moat]

Bc is not a wand

[karmic gust]

ppl used to use beltimber on molten

[hard cliff]

damn you are right

[karmic gust]

its like usable weapon

but you need some good flat sourec with it

[modern zinc]

dude I just got to maps

Idk how people do melee builds lol

I had 20+ goats jump on my totems

no way a brand new leaguestarter can survive that otherwise

[stuck phoenix]

What year is this

[hexed mountain]

if you kill them there's less goats

[fickle glen]

Looks like something I would use with shattering steel

[proud gorge]

it's alright, but it's a 1h sword for a projectile attack build, but has not great damage as a weapon

[onyx adder]

I remember when shattering steel was a skill

I miss it, a bit

[hard cliff]

that's exactly what I'm thinking about but splitting steel

[proud gorge]

so your best use case is using it on a projectile attack that doesn't care about weapon damage for some reason

[hard cliff]

is shattering stronger?

[proud gorge]

but like, there's better 1h swords for projectile attack skills that don't care about weapon damage, quite frankly

[fickle glen]

Which every one that has call of steel with it

[proud gorge]

in most cases

[karmic gust]

snipers mark ruining skills, gg

[hard cliff]

I just want to throw metal at enemies guys why is this so complicated to figure out if any variation of that is even playable

[onyx adder]

Lancing of spraying is vaguely playable

[tight plinth]

why is you looking at unique weapons, rares this league is almost free

[onyx adder]

As a skill on its own independent of triggers

[proud gorge]

Lancing Steel of Spraying aka ranged cyclone

[hard cliff]

that's a not playable then

[proud gorge]

projectile cyclone

it's used as a ranged CoC trigger source

[onyx adder]

I mean the other steel skills dont do any damage so

Ur not long on options here

[karmic gust]

spraying clear feels too bad until you are giga overgearing content

[fickle glen]

I liked it, it does aoe damage when you call the steel

[thin leaf]

How bad is 12% --> 9% base crit on Blind prop?

[tight plinth]

impaler+call of steel

good times

[normal hedge]

you can pob it

[karmic gust]

depends heavvily on what you want to play with it

but builds generally dont rly struggle with crit these days

[proud gorge]

it's not unusable, but it does mean you need about 33% more increased crit chance

[karmic gust]

affects bow builds the most i guess

[thin leaf]

Am gonna play lightning strike, prob still reach 100% crit.
Maybe need cc on claw then?

[karmic gust]

but idk who wants to play bow on blind prophet

[proud gorge]

so if your build barely covered crit before, you need about one third more crit investment

[karmic gust]

claws have like easiest ways to get crit

so you dont rly give a shit there

[proud gorge]

but often you can cover crit pretty easily

[hexed mountain]

25% less crit ew

[karmic gust]

ideally avoid that node on claw if you can

[hexed mountain]

its the first node

[karmic gust]

even before the nerf

ah lol so you are just nerfing your crit xd

[hexed mountain]

BP went from 2nd worst first lab in the game to 1st , what a run

behemoth finally not last

[fickle glen]

Is that flat or of base?

[hexed mountain]

25% less base

you can still get +% elsewhere

[fickle glen]

It’s nothing then

[normal hedge]

12% -> 9% is big deal for who wanted to use marylenes early on

but not a big deal

just skip it

[modest depot]

any idol patch notes

[hexed mountain]

its sizeable

[hoary scarab]

am i the only one that thinks behemoth not being able to use spells atall was kinda better than it is now?

[hard cliff]

Behemoth is a dead ascendancy now

[hexed mountain]

you can reserve mana now and use bloodrage and Cwdt

[hoary scarab]

not being able to use spells atleast enabled lightpoacher stacking, now you cant even do that. And who is actually using spells on behemoth

sure bloodrage

[pulsar dune]

curses

[proud gorge]

there's very little base crit increases, so 25% less base crit is functionally just "you need 33% more increased crit chance from somewhere"

[thin leaf]

Was the 12% --> 9% even necessary?
Was it OP in last Pharecia or smth?

[proud gorge]

one third more crit investment

[hexed mountain]

you can use heralds , you can use tempest shield/arctic armor , you can use cwdt , its really not that bad

[stuck phoenix]

Arctic armour, tempest shield, guard, uh

[karmic gust]

man blind prophet unironically worse ascendancy than sabo

thats pretty funny

[proud gorge]

so it's not insignificant

[hard cliff]

I haven't seen a single person come up with a decent build on Behemoth nobody is even bothering Theory craft it

[proud gorge]

but just to the degree that previously Blind Prophets could cap crit basically for free

[hexed mountain]

yeah lots of BP last phrecia , huge scaling

[hoary scarab]

hmm cant see that being better than lightpoacher stuff, but im also not a good poe1 build maker

[proud gorge]

and now they have to actually put some small amount of work into it

[hexed mountain]

i think it was mainly lightning strike users

[hallow owl]

Ayo you can now import the new Legacy of Phrecia to PoB if you tinker around a bit! https://github.com/grindinggear/skilltree-export

[pulsar dune]

I'll go POB the lifestacker smh

[thin leaf]

I hope it's still viable with this, cba to find anything else to play.

[hexed mountain]

still viable for sure

[onyx adder]

Prophet is still fine its just clicking fishing small nodes for 3 days now

[hard cliff]

life Stacker 😔

[sleek sequoia]

Yo question. For Toxic Rain mechanic, if I fire 2 subsequent arrows that generates 10 pods total, is it possible to have those 10 pods attach to a singular enemy? I know about the threshold for AoE, I just want to understand if there's a limit for an enemy to have pods attached to it.

[proud gorge]

ah, good old Lightning Strike league

[karmic gust]

but lightning strike users already had normal 12 base crit claws in phrecia no

[tight plinth]

my brain too small for attack builds

[stuck phoenix]

TR attaches?

[hexed mountain]

they just skipped the crit mod on the claw if they were BP

[proud gorge]

the league where LS Nimis was king, so everyone played Blind Prophet LS because it let them play LS without Nimis

[karmic gust]

50% nimis actually nerfs your damage pretty sure on LS anyway

[hoary scarab]

the dot component

[tight plinth]

do they?

[stuck phoenix]

Doesn't really attach

[sleek sequoia]

well the animations makes it look like they attach, but i think it's just AoE overlapping.

[proud gorge]

well yeah, I think it was mostly people who couldn't afford Nimis normally

[stuck phoenix]

TR dot stacks if that's your question

[onyx adder]

Theres no upper limit

[hexed mountain]

does it? half proj returning isnt worse than all of them by much if only one returning proj may hit the target

[tight plinth]

TR would be so much better if the dot attaches

[karmic gust]

no i mean vs not having the nimis effect at all

because with always random and 50% return your outgoing projs are just not gonna hit sometimes at all

vs always baseline

[proud gorge]

just gotta stand inside the boss's hitbox

as you did

[karmic gust]

then you are not getting +1 hit

[hoary scarab]

wait does directionless and the sabo FF stack? for 100% return

[proud gorge]

yeah

it was a whole thing

[hexed mountain]

what league was the hilarious returning proj annoint again?

[karmic gust]

so you are nerfing your damagae

[sleek sequoia]

It stacks up to 5 overlapping pods? Because I figured if you have like 20 pods and they overlap, then there would be 20 stacking dots of it.

[stuck phoenix]

What

There's no 5

[proud gorge]

but people really wanted to play LS Nimis

[karmic gust]

vengeant? uuh idr even

[proud gorge]

so LS nimis it was

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[stuck phoenix]

If you have 20 pods and an enemy in the area of all of them it's eating the dot 20x

[onyx adder]

Each TR pod applies 1 aoe dot, an enemy has no upper limit on the number of dots that can apply to it

[pulsar dune]

I don't think it's feasible to overlap more than 5 per hit

[karmic gust]

yea poe players actually testing how their skills work is rare occurence :d

[thin leaf]

What builds are hot for this Pharecia currently?

[tight plinth]

if you have enough attack speed and you managed to fire 50 pods and the enemy is in the AoE of 10 of them, they stack, is that your question?

[pulsar dune]

dexstack manastack

[sleek sequoia]

Hmm ok ok I think I'm just confused about PoB having the overlapping pod config.

[sleek sequoia]

ya

[proud gorge]

the wildest part about that league was how many people that had just spent a year playing LS in Settlers went "what if I played LS again"

[karmic gust]

https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-food-hRsayJrDAx8WY

[hexed mountain]

seems like it was ancestor league

[thin leaf]

Only other build I got up rn is psiphon mines but it was meh to play.
locus mines is cringe

[stuck phoenix]

Pod overlap count per attack depends on the size of the enemy hitbox, how you aim, and your aoe mod and your arrow count

[onyx adder]

5 per attack, sure

[karmic gust]

crucible based on wiki looks like

[sleek sequoia]

You can as there are thresholds

[onyx adder]

Vengeant was crucible i played splitting steel that league

[hexed mountain]

i read crucible and thought it was ancestor

xd

[karmic gust]

lol

[hexed mountain]

idk why

[pulsar dune]

GGG fix steel skills

[karmic gust]

fury valve spark

[sleek sequoia]

Alright ty ty all

[hexed mountain]

my brain just went like crucible forge that's the karui

[thin leaf]

Oh that sounds cool, what'd you play as with it?

[hexed mountain]

they really need to rework locus mines , the only builds that use it are builds that ignore it , that's wild

[karmic gust]

surfcaster probably

[tight plinth]

can you scale the corpse explosion from "warcry explodes corpses" node?

[karmic gust]

or bog

[pulsar dune]

ehh, locus is playable enough with random directions

[heavy cloud]

I was starting to getting hyped for Phrecia and juste remembered that the game does not have wasd ……

[pulsar dune]

it's more so that why would you actually play it

[thin leaf]

Might try this as my 2nd thing if I can find a build.

[karmic gust]

as someone who played locus with TS before it is misery would not recommend

[onyx adder]

I think thats ok tbh

Make a setup with troll drawbacks and let players find ways around the troll

[hexed mountain]

i think the gem has a problem if the only use case is not using the gem the way its intended

[thin leaf]

They should just remove "Cannot detonate within 3 meters of player" fr

[somber sundial]

Greetings comrades

[onyx adder]

I dont know what devs intended

Do u

[hexed mountain]

i mean

[somber sundial]

I know they sure as shit intended to not nuke wildspeaker

[karmic gust]

that part would be fine but the mines arent part of same chain so its just annoying as shit to manage that while also repositioning properly

[pulsar dune]

true, the chain part should probably be fixed

[rich widget]

If you DD a zombie does it count as the zombie doing the damage?

[onyx adder]

Yea its so so hard to play unless u have a pile of extra mines

[proud gorge]

you know, one thing that's not often considered is that, much like how damage conversion has directionality, so too does stat conversions.

For example: Attributes (Str, Dex, Int) can convert into stats (life, mana, accuracy), but not vice versa. Life and Mana can convert into ES, but not the other way around, because Stats can convert into defenses (and internally, the defenses conversion directionality is seemingly Evasion -> Armour -> ES). And then finally, anything including defenses can convert to damage.

[hexed mountain]

wildspeaker null's looks actually decent tbh +100 dex and 3% minion damage per 5 dex

[onyx adder]

And if ur piling on extra mines ur losing marginal benefit from locus

[pulsar dune]

no

[rich widget]

Dam 🙁

[pulsar dune]

minion instability counts as zombie doing the damage

but then you have to harm your zombies

[onyx adder]

Like, u can play minefield locus TS and thats actually fine mechanically

[proud gorge]

So stat conversion directionality goes:
Attributes -> Character Stats -> Defenses -> Damage

[tight plinth]

why you exploding zombies, they dindu nuffin 😭

[hoary scarab]

they look funny

[onyx adder]

Its just not exciting damage wise because minefield has terrible numeric synergy with locus mines

[pulsar dune]

and you wouldn't do that, would you 🥺

[rich widget]

Yes

[proud gorge]

this prevents conversion loops, in the same way that damage conversion directionality prevents damage loops

[karmic gust]

yea. and other alternative is the helmet pretty much

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-devil-lady-will-ferrell-saturday-night-live-devil-lady-monster-gif-17210008

[rich widget]

I was thinking going a str minion life stacking for DD of chain but I have no idea what to do for defense

[karmic gust]

and doing curtain call just to make locus playable isnt very exciting either

[proud gorge]

but it does mean that we'll never see, say, Gain max mana based on your armour.

[onyx adder]

I think DD of chain will chew through zombies too quickly

[proud gorge]

resistances are in there somewhere

[pulsar dune]

y'know what could be funny, curtain call aristocrat

[onyx adder]

How would u maintain zombies

[rich widget]

I was thinking the heart ring that does damge to you when minion dies and cast when damge taken

[tight plinth]

can you explode falling zombies while they in mid air?

[pulsar dune]

yes

[somber sundial]

why did they nerf detonate dead each patch

Why do they hate this skill

[tight plinth]

firestorm with more steps

[pulsar dune]

it was broken as fuck

[somber sundial]

Explain

[pulsar dune]

ignite DD was gauntlet meta for ages

[onyx adder]

Question then changes to a) how do u maintain life total and b) how do u maintain mana

[elfin shale]

DD deserved it's fate

[pulsar dune]

cast on crit DDoCR used both desecrate and chain reaction in the same links, and was so absurdly good it was the most budget efficient build around

[tight plinth]

it was too easy to scale

[elfin shale]

If you still want to play it, DD of Chain Reaction Archmage is playable iirc

[somber sundial]

Oh

[pulsar dune]

with the recent DE nerfs it's kinda eh

[tight plinth]

not a single piece of gear was required iirc

[rich widget]

Gulp

[somber sundial]

Why is it so powerful though, what’s the key part that makes it stronk

Why it have hard time fitting through doors huh

[pulsar dune]

people were running with uncapped accuracy and 70% crit rate and clearing release T17s

[tired minnow]

it used the hp of mobs to deal damage whihc was essentially inf scaling free damage

[elfin shale]

Scaling off enemy life means you have tens of thousands of flat damage

[somber sundial]

[pulsar dune]

the key interaction was that you could pick really high life corpses for desecrate.

[somber sundial]

[elfin shale]

DD got stronger as your maps got harder lol

[pulsar dune]

you also fully bypassed the union of souls T17 mod

[onyx adder]

Thats only part of it tbh

[somber sundial]

Oh

Oh that’s nasty

[onyx adder]

The big reason was this one

[somber sundial]

Okay I get it now

[proud gorge]

actually, lemme see. What does actual resistances convert into, or what converts into actual resistances?

Overcapped res converts into defenses, so clearly resistances are above defenses. But they're clearly below attributes. So Res is either at the same level as or above character stats.

[onyx adder]

Thats now gone

[somber sundial]

Wooooaaaaah

[onyx adder]

U cant DD high life spectres anymore

[pulsar dune]

I don't think anything gives res per X

[somber sundial]

Oh

Rip

[elfin shale]

Omniscience

[rich widget]

Is spell leech a thing?

[pulsar dune]

true

[somber sundial]

Spell leech for what

[elfin shale]

Life and ES yes, mana no

[pulsar dune]

usually you go for element of X damage leeched as life/es.

[proud gorge]

okay so it goes:

Attributes (Str, Dex, Int) -> Character stats (Life, Mana, Res) -> Defenses (Evasion, Armour, ES) -> Damage

[pulsar dune]

there is inc mana per res

[proud gorge]

that would explain why you're able to get so much more ES than life

[whole bluff]

whose idea was it to take Innocence and give some of his skills with invisible MTX and put it as a guardian was a good idea

[proud gorge]

it's lower on the conversion chart

yeah, invisible fast beam Innocence is wack

no wait, there's one case of ES to life

that being that one unique item, and also Bog Shaman

but that's a special case, since it requires that it be impossible to actually gain any ES, thus preventing a loop

[onyx adder]

I still dunno what i wanna play

[proud gorge]

and also it's very specifically ES from items, not ES in general

[onyx adder]

Arakaali AW got stronger but i alrdy played it

[proud gorge]

but yeah, that's the key to Optimal Stacker gameplay

Int stack uses every part of the conversion chart

[karmic gust]

didnt you wanted to play ele hit or something

[onyx adder]

Maybe elehit gambler that sounds nice and braindead

[karmic gust]

sounds like good plan to me

[onyx adder]

The ring will be annoying in trade

[karmic gust]

well no the gampler part i think

[onyx adder]

And impossible in ssf

[tight plinth]

yes!

[onyx adder]

Thats my fear

[proud gorge]

Attribute (Int) -> Character Stat (Mana) -> Defenses (ES) -> Damage (all of it)

[tight plinth]

gimme pob after you pobed one

[onyx adder]

I need at least 5% hipster

Or i need to take a shower after

Its just the ring sucks to get

[whole bluff]

man, I really dont like the new bosses "Theatre of Lies" gives "Echo of Reverence", and the atlas nodes are "Traumatic Experience - Incarnation of Dread", "Remembered Kindness - Incarnation of Neglect", "Educated Upbrining - Incarnation of Fear" what the actual fuck????

[onyx adder]

Unfortunately arakaali ele hit is probably no bueno

Or id do that

[karmic gust]

well the ring was already contested before early anyway right and it wasnt that bad to get early in trade

[onyx adder]

I guess i could click 2 spider nodes

[pulsar dune]

just run the ele wither gloves lmao

[whole bluff]

theme: Shotgun esoteric concepts

[karmic gust]

cant rly skip southbound on ele hit memes

[proud gorge]

yeah, the atlas tree nodes are also super annoying, like "reduced chance to find memory threads that lead to the Incarnation of Dread" which one's that buddy boy? I don't know which one's which, and their dropped boss keys don't make that clear

[whole bluff]

the bosses are worse than most of their bosses, and the creative team were on LSD when they should have been on meth coffee

if anything at all

sorry

[coral summit]

are there legit any good locations for the foulborn blue nightmare for lightning>chaos conversion?

[thin leaf]

Damn now I really want to play furry valve spark hmm...

[karmic gust]

best one is probably in scion area

not very good location but still best one :d

[finite quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879801181302583376/1393261430370992239/twitter_1943513922214023447.gif

[coral summit]

man

[finite quail]

what valve spark?

[proud gorge]

so the Incarnation of Dread is accessed using the Echo of Reverence, which is dropped by The Deceitful God in the Theatre of Lies. Not to be confused with the Incarnation of Neglect, which is accessed using the Echo of Loneliness, dropped by The Neglected Flame in the Courtyard of Wasting.

[coral summit]

that shit's so ass lmao

i was considering seeing if servant of arakaali manastacker was buildable

for chaos sparkmage

[proud gorge]

I mean, people mostly just use tattoos

slap it in the jewel socket just left of the witch start

and fill it with lightning res tattoos

[whole bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj-v6zCnEaw

it's so wild

[karmic gust]

you mean bog shaman? because that do not make sense on arakaali even if the jewel was stronger

[coral summit]

bog shaman works too, yeah

probably just better

wanted to see if it was playable without going that route tho cuz half of all the builds i've made recently are bog shaman lmao

[hexed mountain]

40 spiders arakaali with farrul bloodline for attack speed per minion

[karmic gust]

i mean bog shaman has literally perfect stats for build like that

so yea idk why would you go anything else

[coral summit]

toad pact too op

proj speed and duration

[karmic gust]

and then you dont even need chaos conversion

you just ignore the lightning part ez

[split maple]

holy fuck it hit 😄

[simple stag]

what skill r u thinking of

[coral summit]

spark

[hexed mountain]

you can fully convert lightning if you really want to in keepers tho

with lycia + the belt

[simple stag]

ah

[coral summit]

i already made a lifestacker spark version

[hoary scarab]

just slap in an osin

[karmic gust]

yea you can, but losing belt sucks

[coral summit]

i tried converting that version to chaos but it was just worse than tri stack trinity lmao

until you go osin

[hexed mountain]

yeah it gets worse once you can afford one of the big belts

[karmic gust]

well chaos conversion is just not good in general

unless you go poison it doesnt rly have many benefits

[coral summit]

turns out making spark do mostly phys damage means you get to abuse all the ultra broken shit

[karmic gust]

so makes sense

[coral summit]

damage as extra+conversion shit

I kinda want to pump the poison damage a little bit on my lifestacker version just to make tainted pact a little better for the start of maps/bosses

[onyx adder]

At least its extremely easy

[coral summit]

rn its legit only like 2.5k poison dps per poison which would be fine if it wasnt paying 20k life/sec xddd

we love witchmark

[onyx adder]

These days most poison builds just get it for free as unholy might is one of the better source of wither

I keep throwing out poison bog pobs because wither is too annoying

How to fix

[karmic gust]

i still remember when people were arguing against voltaxic being at 100% and noone uses that bow after they did that anyway :d

[onyx adder]

Dont say unholy might

[hexed mountain]

like 40 spider as buff for the player for 600% poison damage and 80% attack speed now that the node before is 20% wither chance sounds like a viable setup

[coral summit]

glorious vanity near eternal youth?

you can get two 25% wither chance notables on the 30 attribute ones

[whole bluff]

Though it was nice getting a cursed map to just finish the witness. I shouldn't have wasted like 12 bars of exp

[karmic gust]

gloves

or vanity yea

[coral summit]

or you run despair balance of terror

but thats probably the most expensive solution

[modern flint]

I feel like the next real poe1 league is going to be insane.
No way they put such a loved event with all kinds of crazy stuff just to deliver a actual league worse. They must be confident

[karmic gust]

noone uses the gloves so if you can snatch those is ez solution early

[proud gorge]

alright so this first spot here has at least 6 int nodes, 7 if you path upwards, to convert into 7% lightning res each. That's 49% lightning res.

this second spot has a natural 12% all res notable, but outside of that has only 5 int nodes to convert into lightning res, giving a total 47% lightning res, and requiring a slightly awkward notable selection.

[proud gorge]

this spot technically contains 9 int passives, but in no world are you grabbing all 9

since it requires pathing into the side path for both the Witch and the Shadow starting areas

[onyx adder]

This is probably the solution i just hate playing poe on poison builds pre reliable wither

[proud gorge]

whereas the left side pathing for 7 is pretty natural

[coral summit]

ffff okay the mana stacker version is just straight up worse lmao

why the hell is rathpith in the game

[onyx adder]

Sitting there planting wither totems and wanting to cliff

[coral summit]

rathpith my beloved my hated

[proud gorge]

oh I guess the left side also has 9 int passives

just in the Templar zone

[onyx adder]

Rathpith gonna be more than double foulborn bereks

[karmic gust]

i have no issues with ratpith as you have to actually make ton of sacrifices for it

[onyx adder]

Actually is double foulborn bereks even good on most phrecia setups

[coral summit]

i don't think regular rathpith will be that bad

[onyx adder]

Prolly not

Surfcaster maybe

[coral summit]

dot rathpith on the other hand

[onyx adder]

But those guys got no ring slots

[coral summit]

is gonna be expensive as shit

[onyx adder]

Well yea

Theres only 1 rathpith

And some memes with the same name

[proud gorge]

no wait I forgot about the 8% res in Faith and Steel

[coral summit]

you don't have to make that much sacrifice for normal rathpith other than losing recovery on block and having to actually solve for consistent recovery

which the first sucks a lot but the second is kind of just something you want to do on all builds anyways, esp when you're playing a big pool build anyways to just get to ignore dots

once you do that

[proud gorge]

okay the Templar area Blue Nightmare actually has like 55% total lightning or all res in its vicinity

[fossil mural]

I feel like phys dot will not really be played

[proud gorge]

including tattooed int passives

and of the two notables you have to take, one isn't even that awkward

it's still kind of awkward though

[fossil mural]

It also has shit block if you are not glad

[proud gorge]

unfortunately Lightning Walker here is just barely not in range of either Blue Nightmare spot

[coral summit]

dont most builds that arent glad end up with shields with shit block for one reason or another without pathing to at least two block wheels :V

[tall belfry]

Rathpith glad

[fossil mural]

Every time I see this situtation I cri

[coral summit]

or do they just solve that by running recovery on block>GB

[karmic gust]

i mean not many builds can just live while losing 60-70% life/s

and dissolution is massive sacrifice for defenses

[fossil mural]

Usually people who dont really care to die or want ninja numbers. From what Ive seen most ran block chance in prefixes

[karmic gust]

and basically all ratpith builds opting for dissolution also proves that solving the rathpith downside isnt easy at all and actually does suck very hard

[onyx adder]

I would play bog rathpith bv if it had a good build to farm the pieces with

[coral summit]

Dissolution is one of those things I keep wanting to put in this build but it's not viable until mageblood on anything other than like, miners or relic of the pact xdd

[onyx adder]

Because i cbf rerolling in a 3 week event

[coral summit]

cuz you want both cap block and evasion

[tall belfry]

I feel like dissolution is specifically worse on rathpith

[coral summit]

and then have to solve like four different dot immunities

[fossil mural]

I think dissolution is bait

[coral summit]

and still want to take lethe shade even though you cant path anywhere near it and the funni foulborn red dream location

[supple trail]

What we playing for phrecia?

[coral summit]

it's sad that it's such tantalizing bait

[fossil mural]

Unless you are blood stick

In which case its fine

[tall belfry]

Idk how you're managing to pick up a ton of life without ANY recovery/regen/recharge so dissolution just kills invest

[coral summit]

because i dont think it could have literally any other downside without being either broken or worthless

if it had a less meaningful downside it would be broken as hell

if it was worse then it would be 0% playrate

[karmic gust]

they could just change the 2s to 1s and it wouldnt be broken still

[soft perch]

dissolution is a hell of a lot better than you give it credit for @karmic gust

[onyx adder]

XDD complain about dissolution instantly summon splaff

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the degree to which a build cares about block definitely determines how tanky they feel, but also how much build budget they're willing or able to invest into block. My FRoSS build takes two block wheels and ends up with like 78% attack and spell block, with ES on block and is thus functionally immortal, but I'm fine with the offenses that I give up for that since I'm running Poison FRoSS and have massively excess damage anyways. But by comparison a Crit FRoSS build isn't going to be invested to any real degree into block, even if they're carrying a shield, because they want all that damage.

[soft perch]

i played it

its very solid

[proud gorge]

Dissolution sucks ass

[soft perch]

1s dissolution would be overpowered for bossing

[proud gorge]

a great way to turn a 20k life pool build into an omega-squishy softcore death farmer

[mild narwhal]

does the new event come with an economy reset?

[soft perch]

this is a skill issue

[karmic gust]

2s dissolution is already overpowered for bossing, the goal is to not make it feel like ass in maps

[soft perch]

it doesnt feel ass in maps

[opaque wing]

Yes, it is a new economy

[soft perch]

if u actually solve dots

[fossil mural]

The blood stick

[onyx adder]

I have also played dissolution its certainly a net negative for mapping

[soft perch]

u outpace any discomfort of disso by just having 20k life

block on top and u cant die

[onyx adder]

Theres reasons to click it but it pretty much always makes u more likely to die while mapping

[soft perch]

source: played it last league

[proud gorge]

it feels like such ass in maps, you have zero survivability against any DoTs, any massed enemy damage, anything

[soft perch]

was significantly better than i gave it credit for

very comfy

[proud gorge]

because you have no real recovery, you just have to insta-burst every enemy pack

aka: Softcore squish-blaster

[fossil mural]

I took captainlances glad snap build, pretended its bog witch, and got 18k life without dissolution

[soft perch]

so like normal?

[proud gorge]

no?

[soft perch]

💀

bro is playing poe2

[karmic gust]

wasnt farming meta last league just spamming easy maps for scarabs

[soft perch]

no

[coral summit]

yee, the build i'm slapping together only has like 61/45 block without rumi's, but it's also running tainted pact+PB+90 max ele res so i'm pretty sure it should only die when it plants its face against cannot leech magic packs lmao

[proud gorge]

Again, Dissolution has the remarkable ability to turn an enormous health pool into a softcore squish-blaster

[soft perch]

skill issue

[proud gorge]

I'm describing how the build functions

[karmic gust]

well ok let me rephrase then did you do deli t17s with it

[proud gorge]

you literally went "isn't that how every build functions" no

[soft perch]

its not good for hardcore but dissolution is much better than people give it credit for

[soft perch]

yea it was fine

[split maple]

we forgetting blood barrier with it?

[onyx adder]

Like yes u can carry dissolution with other defensive layers but its those layers doing the carrying lul

Its not dissolution

[proud gorge]

a lot of builds don't have to play this squishy "kill enemies instantly or die" playstyle

[soft perch]

i know its not disso

[coral summit]

dissolution's gimmick isnt the thing keeping you alive most of the time

[soft perch]

lifestack + block cant rly die

[proud gorge]

Dissolution just forces you to play like that

[soft perch]

so disso is fine

[fossil mural]

Yea blood barrier is what makes it better than you give it credit for. Otherwise its unplayable imho

[soft perch]

blood barrier is garbage?

[karmic gust]

i dont think ppl actually even use blood barrier with it

i certainly havent seen a single person run it

[modern zinc]

I checked kingsmarch for the first time after I got to level 68

[onyx adder]

Yea i dont think we're that far apart

[modern zinc]

I'm really loving this place

[soft perch]

good luck playing dissolution without eternal youth

which blood barrier has enormous antisynergy with

[onyx adder]

Its nearly always good when bossing unless ur hopeless about standing in mechanics

Its nearly always negative while mapping

[soft perch]

but 30% more life + permanent petrified blood on is like almost double life

[onyx adder]

And if it makes ur build work u click it and build around the drawback

Its not rocket science

[soft perch]

u just outpace the game so easily

[coral summit]

the problem with mapping is once you get to map blaster tier speed that 2s timer never really actually gets to reset

[soft perch]

yea it does?

[proud gorge]

what the heck is the benefit of Eternal Youth? Like none of the Dissolution payouts actually care about you having real life

[soft perch]

have u just never played dissolution?

[karmic gust]

keeping petrified active no

[coral summit]

eternal youth solves the life loss from PB+progenesis and lets you also cast big numbers from your life

[proud gorge]

yes, I've played Relic of the Pact Dissolution

it doesn't give a shit if you're 1hp all the time

[soft perch]

u need eternal youth for petrified blood/progenesis

[coral summit]

relic isn't making you cast like 10-20k+ life per second

just from raw costs

so thats half the thing it does that doesnt matter

[proud gorge]

you don't cast Relic from life though

[fossil mural]

Relic is also really different from normally running dissolution

[coral summit]

the main thing is that you always count as on low life since recharge wont go above LL so you always get ~55% of damage outright deleted with pb+progenesis

[proud gorge]

you cast it from max life

[split maple]

wasnt it used on glad relic? while scion did aul

[proud gorge]

no part of Relic of the Pact needs you to actually spend real life

[coral summit]

what eternal youth does from there is keep you from dying to the actual life loss

[onyx adder]

Honestly the most annoying thing about disso is u need all this random investment to stop troll degens

[fossil mural]

Yea without blood barrier youll just die as relic, even on glad

[soft perch]

no u wont

[onyx adder]

Which if u didnt have disso u would just ignore

[fossil mural]

I tried with and without

[karmic gust]

looking at ninja its mostly either aul or nothing

[onyx adder]

I can cope with the obvious investment u need

[fossil mural]

And its basically guaranteed death every map

[soft perch]

ye

book shoes

[pulsar dune]

relic or a non-relic disso build?

[tall belfry]

Getting into the weeds about dissolution has gotta be some of the most paper pushing arguing I've seen in here for a while

[soft perch]

dissolution is overhated

its perfectly playable

[icy zinc]

uhh probably like herald from witch with herald of agony with widowhail n shit then reroll to bog ig

[hoary scarab]

disso is underhated

grr

[soft perch]

mostly cuz the archetype cant rly die unless ur an idiot

[onyx adder]

I just hate going okay FINE i need burning ground immune FINE i need chaos ground immune FINE poorjoys randomly trolls me

Holy

[icy zinc]

if ur still interested idk

[soft perch]

go back to poe2

noob

[hoary scarab]

no u

[proud gorge]

I've played Relic of the Pact Dissolution before Blood Barrier was added, it sucks complete ass, you have to blink in and kill enemies instantly or else you just get shot to death and can't cast skills and die. What's even the point of lifestacking if you have to play like a 3k life squish-blaster

[onyx adder]

Poorjoys on disso when ur not geared is the most misrable experience

Let me tell u

[fossil mural]

You press relic -> get hit at the same time -> you are dead

Will happen every map without blood barrier

[tall belfry]

Getting hit smdh

[fossil mural]

Can confirm

[karmic gust]

well you can just not play relic

[hoary scarab]

dont get hit

duh

[tall belfry]

Simply do not

[fossil mural]

Its basically melee

[hard cliff]

it's such a stupid build

[soft perch]

this is a relic issue

[tall belfry]

I know I've played relic

[pulsar dune]

yea, non-relic disso is a lot more playable than relic disso

[fossil mural]

Yea thats why I said without barrier relic is unplayable And you said nah

[proud gorge]

like yeah, if you enjoy playing like a squishblaster, then go for it, but I hate that that's somehow the best Lifestack has to offer

[pulsar dune]

you actually get to play with petrified blood

[crystal talon]

Y'all are bad at game if you think rotp is unplayable without barrier

[soft perch]

relic meme build

[proud gorge]

ES-stack gets to have an enormous health pool, loads of scaling, incredibly tanky and 12 ways to recover. Health-stack gets... the ability to die to DoTs.

[soft perch]

but eternal youths anti synergy with petrified blood and eternal youth is

horrendous

[pulsar dune]

it was kinda fine-ish, but I'd rather not repeat the experience.

[fossil mural]

That build doesnt get to exist in maps without blood barrier

[royal topaz]

i kinda wanna click bog just for the aoe and duration on wintertide xdd

[tall belfry]

In my eyes, dissolution is much better on a mid tier life build with like, 7-11k life over a 20k life build. % regen effects aren't as strong, and you're in a weird middle ground for recovery in general where it can take a while to heal without major invest

[karmic gust]

i think lifestacker is the worst kind of stacker, now even accu stack doesnt suck anymore so unlucky

[fossil mural]

Its getting gutted next leg so

[tall belfry]

Dex stack is celebrating and popping champagne

[crystal talon]

That build doesnt get to exist in maps without blood barrier (when played by SlightlySalty)*

[karmic gust]

alrgiht dexstack also sucks more :d

[modern zinc]

I didn't knew this was possible

R.I.P. in peace my guy

[onyx adder]

Probably playing dissolution

[proud gorge]

again, my problem with Dissolution isn't that it exists, because sure, if you want to play a squish-blaster that plays a hyperaggressive playstyle then that's your prerogative. I just hate that it's functionally required if you want to play lifestack, because it forces lifestack builds into this really shitty choice where they either have to play with an incredibly annoying playstyle, or lose a bunch of max life on their lifestack build.

[gritty epoch]

Hope they delete CI and watch the world burn next patch

[tall belfry]

Dex stack is starting the car and closing the garage door

[modern zinc]

it was a tier 1 map btw

[crystal talon]

@onyx adder dinner date time

[royal topaz]

dex stack with like trans dom blow sounds really funny

[empty bronze]

path of exile 3 announcement in #other-news message

[karmic gust]

dont think deleting CI would affect any of current CI builds ngl

[onyx adder]

Whats going on am i buying u dinner

[crystal talon]

https://pathofexile2.com/exilecon

[true flower]

polytheist light radius stacker

[royal topaz]

i love strike skills that are just reflavored basic attacks

[karmic gust]

people hate on corruscating but that flask is free

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-huh-meme-funny-what-gif-13757300940814596109

[pastel zenith]

when will we know changes to idols? nerf and buffs

[karmic gust]

just dont do torment ez

[surreal musk]

dissolution sucks to play unless u have strong ranged clear + strong avoidance + dmg ailment immunity

[onyx adder]

Oh shit

[lean urchin]

so who is gonna run heist for the schmucks who need ring/amulet bases

[fossil mural]

If your life depends on a flask being active

[winter bronze]

F, exile con means PoE Mobile...

[fossil mural]

Are you truly living

[craggy meadow]

looking at that list of excluded phrecia map mods.... how many mods are left?! those things are going to be on every map whatever they are

[proud gorge]

I guess that is sort of frustration that Dissolution exists, since it existing is what forces lifestack builds into this shitty choice

[onyx adder]

Im currently (finally) trying to organize wedding dates around that time so idk whether i can come this time

[fossil mural]

Charge removal

[limpid tapir]

When is the next league coming out?

[onyx adder]

But if i cant get dates and we push out to next year im in

[crystal talon]

[gritty epoch]

They gonna announce poe3 at exilecon

[soft perch]

someone from new zealand should let me live in their basement for exilecon

[split maple]

Was added to exclusion list

[fossil mural]

God damn it

[crystal talon]

just pay for a hotel you mong

[onyx adder]

Flights more expensive than hotel

[karmic gust]

but just as expansion to poe2 trust

[onyx adder]

Wont be close

NZD in toilet atm

[coral summit]

the funny thing is that if you dont think too hard about it foulborn red dream basically does the big funni green number thing that people like dissolution for with a way less annoying downside

[true flower]

this league i played blood sacrament and got around 150% increased AoE + the ring that lets you cast novas from afar, i can confirm that if i offscreen the enemies they cant hurt me

[proud gorge]

Imagine if there were an ES jewel that said "40% more max Energy Shield, but also you can't regen or leech energy shield and your energy shield recharge takes 5 seconds to start and is really slow"

[split maple]

Port of poe1 campaign as alternative to 2 one

[true flower]

bad thing is when they have proximity shields

[craggy meadow]

claps VERY MUCH THIIS

[coral summit]

like oh no, you have to take weird pathing choices to get 76% increased max life

and the points aren't even outright dead

[modern zinc]

I don't even know what ppl are gonna play this Phrecia because I look at the ascendancies and I can't think of a single skill that would go well with them

[coral summit]

it just solves your fire res and a decent amount of allres

[tall belfry]

Did you buy dissolution from wish.com

[coral summit]

and puts you near blood magic and some max res

the marauder section of the tree is so good

[fossil mural]

Wtf are they going to show on exilecon? Alvas plushy?

[craggy meadow]

so ES on hit only.....

[tall belfry]

Poe2 swords kek

[proud gorge]

nah, no ES on hit either

[modern zinc]

puppeteer is literally a worse necro, there's no elementalist for ignite builds, there's no totem ascendancy

[soft perch]

???

[proud gorge]

only shitty recharge

[soft perch]

poe2 1.0

obviously

[modern zinc]

srsly don't udnerstand the hype

[crystal talon]

poe3 (this time with swords)

[coral summit]

dissolution is poe2 energy shield as they wish it was played :^)

[finite quail]

probably the new poe 2 act or something

[fossil mural]

Swords so important they get their own stand

[finite quail]

Keep in mind, its in NOVEMBER

[karmic gust]

poe3 will finally fix melee?

[raw cove]

4.0 hype train is boarding

[icy zinc]

uhh 18 other unreleased classes uhh act 5 and 6 uhh

well you know

vibes

[finite quail]

Poe 1 4.0

[tall belfry]

Swords so important they should have been in the game from the start

[coral summit]

unfortunately for GGG they did not design poe2 energy shield correctly so people still find ways to just have better recovery on es builds than life builds with five times the number

blue life reigns supreme :V

[fossil mural]

And what does that get thats not been shown a thousand times already? Look, new class! New act! Pog 🥱

[onyx adder]

Thats not why poe2 energy shield is bad

[proud gorge]

but yeah, point being, having such a jewel in the game would force every ES-stack build to have to make the shitty choice between equipping the jewel for a huge boost to their ES for the purposes of their ES-to-damage scaling from EE or whatever, but in exchange play an incredibly shitty and annoying playstyle, or not equip the jewel and have subpar damage

[craggy meadow]

blue glowy power light has ALWAYS been superior to red life because iit looked cooler

[onyx adder]

Holy

This is why poe2 energy shield is bad

[icy zinc]

🥱 !!!

[icy zinc]

why

[tall belfry]

So clear and visible and readable

[fossil mural]

Those just could have been launched as trailers

[proud gorge]

so yeah, I'm annoyed that Dissolution exists, because it's the best lifestack jewel but it sucks to play

[icy zinc]

you look at ur character bar

[fossil mural]

Its nothing groundbreaking

[icy zinc]

not ultra wide sex genesis 4k monitor corner

[fossil mural]

Just click ci, dood

[icy zinc]

fair, ship them as emails

based

[proud gorge]

just remove the max life from dissolution imo, give it some other benefit that's not more max life

[coral summit]

dissolution is like double max hit and 60% more damage at the cost of having to get two high avoidance layers and four different dot immunities

[marsh sand]

Exilecone = Announcing that they will be releasing the superior game, Poe2 1.0, and poo1 will be shutdow kewk

[coral summit]

and at that point how much does that cut into that double max hit/60% more damage

a lot, probably.

[icy zinc]

november 8 is like tomorrow

[fossil mural]

They definitely wanted to show/test more of the new stuff first.

[coral summit]

u want poison, bleed, ignite, cb, and probably also burning ground immunity

[fossil mural]

Swords are swords

[proud gorge]

then it'd be useful for its intended purpose, letting builds have "life" despite having no health remaining, instead of being forced onto every lifestack build

[tall belfry]

Bro is still on dissolution

[proud gorge]

Corrupting Cry

[split maple]

Forbiden rite?

[fossil mural]

Finally, ragebait

[tall belfry]

Only the transfig

[proud gorge]

FR doesn't cost life, it just inflicts chaos damage onto you

[tall belfry]

Fr doesn't have a life cost but the transfig does

[split maple]

Oh the trans one yea

[pulsar dune]

Blood rage

[fossil mural]

Any spell can cost life

[proud gorge]

technically Wild Strike of Extremes

has a Life, ES, and Mana cost

[tall belfry]

But you didn't forget to say spell

[proud gorge]

no wait it's called Corrupting Cry

not fever

[tall belfry]

Wild strike out here being an attack

[fossil mural]

Comet

[icy zinc]

lmao

wrong universe buddy

[tight plinth]

can you lifetap bladefall of trarthus?

[proud gorge]

funnily enough the "Cost" page on the wiki lists literally only Exsanguinate, Exsanguinate of Transmission, Reap, FRoSS, and Wild Strike of Extremes as "life cost"

[icy zinc]

[proud gorge]

despite there being a bunch of other skills that cost life

[fossil mural]

Comet is so strong it appeared in poe1

[icy zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1118165205025828884/1118234957194731580/ezgif-1-f16c56fdbb.gif

+1.4 base cast seconds completely ignored by cast on crit?

y not

[fossil mural]

Not an infused one meh

[icy zinc]

okay pardon it didnt exist by when i made this gif

which was 4 years ago

[split maple]

Filtering for gems without mana cost and reservation

https://poegems.com/?i=eyJ5YSI6eyJ0YWdzIjpbIlNwZWxsIl19LCJwIjp7InBzZXVkb19yZXNlcnZhdGlvbl9hbmQiOmZhbHNlLCJwc2V1ZG9fY29zdG1hbmFfYW5kIjpmYWxzZX0sImZ0cyI6W119

[proud gorge]

Corrupting Fever, Rage Vortex, Rage Vortex of Berserking, Blood Rage

[split maple]

A few false positives

[proud gorge]

I think that's all of them actually

[onyx adder]

Yes

[marsh sand]

is it ragebait if its something that its inevitably gonna happen? Well maybe not at 1.0 release, but at somepoint GGG is gonna do it, or atleast put the game on life support

[onyx adder]

Theres a build that does this i forget what

[proud gorge]

where's Rage Vortex

[split maple]

Rage vortex isn't spell

He asked for spells

[proud gorge]

ah, you said "gems without mana cost and reservation"

[icy zinc]

maybe behemoth rage vortex will be playable this time around

[fossil mural]

Rues phys dot used it

[split maple]

Yeah I typed a tad too quick

[icy zinc]

because theres a node on behe thats make you gain full rage with 15% chance

[proud gorge]

but yeah I think that's all the spells that cost life, plus EBlade and Storm Call of Trarthus, and missing Wild Strike of Extremes

[split maple]

Removing spell from filter adds yours and nothing Else if I don't see wrong

[fossil mural]

I am still slightly salty its impossible to get a good roll on unarmed unique body

[proud gorge]

no wait that's an attack also

[fossil mural]

Would do unarmed behemoth

But the rolls on that thing

Are astronomical

[onyx adder]

Oh yea i remember he used it to keep up cf

[icy zinc]

the 7 7 7 body right

[fossil mural]

Wtf is with unarmed and ggg

And making the rolls suck

[icy zinc]

slippery slope

[fossil mural]

Thunderclaps in poe2 have the same shit

[proud gorge]

I guess the idea is that some people are really good at fighting with their fists, and some people are bad? Who knows

[split maple]

Idk if it's possible to search for costs Life, rn filter is has no mana cost

[crimson hearth]

im completing atlas and voidstones but progress is slow as fuck any tips?

[split maple]

Which is why extremes is out

[tall belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-i-understand-i-know-gif-16483599

[onyx adder]

I should probably pob new behemoth it might be playable

And ppl arent enthusiastic

[icy zinc]

aye thunderfists rolls

good shit

[onyx adder]

So i get to be hipster which is nice in meme league

[simple stag]

Idk what to leaguestart to transition to Bog CWS.... RF is obvious but man i hate it

[tall belfry]

Losing warcries hurt my soul

[icy zinc]

all ive seen so far is herald of agony

[proud gorge]

oh wait, Storm Call of Trarthus does have a life cost, I was thinking of Bladefall of Trarthus

[icy zinc]

requires literally 2 items and outputs 5 mil dps with 60k ehp

more or less

[proud gorge]

which has a mana cost but might interact with the filter weirdly since it's a percentage mana cost per second

while active

and no cost when toggled

[simple stag]

I remember some people said hoag is fine for ultimatum too is that true

[icy zinc]

mostly to calm down slammers

but yeah

ben nerf

[halcyon prawn]

Exile con pog

[fossil mural]

With the minion???

[wheat sinew]

[proud gorge]

so yeah, only one false positive really, Energy Blade

which just has no costs at all

[wheat sinew]

another skip xd

[proud gorge]

costless spell

[icy zinc]

yeah with the minion

[tall belfry]

PoE the Board Game incoming

[icy zinc]

76 virulence stacks

[hard cliff]

I ain't going to exile con

Where's behemoth builds ?

[icy zinc]

you arent expected to get lone messenger immediately sadly

[wheat sinew]

sames xd the whole trip costs a year worth of a salary xd

[icy zinc]

but good upgrade from yellow to red maps at that point

[tall belfry]

I'd say they're crying but they lost that ability

[fossil mural]

Oh yea, that scales with effect huh

[icy zinc]

then you go through anything else including ubers

[split maple]

I don't even want to check the plane tickets

[hard cliff]

Also it's for poe 2 so what would we even be doing there

[split maple]

Ik I will cry