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[worthy cave]

but not sure if you can without sublime pof

[proud gorge]

which makes sense, they're probably going at the end of the league anyways

[worthy cave]

and sublime pof costs what, 2 mirrors?

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffyou can craft a cyclone body armour -15 cost of attack

then zero mana

[worthy cave]

I mean I love what the breach tree does

[plush gulch]

attack

[worthy cave]

in that it's great for early-mid gear crafting, and then use it to gamba for foulborn uniques

[proud gorge]

I do wonder if their plan is to have the last Bloodline slot just be a rotating slot, containing whatever the current league's boss is, and containing some league-specific generic power

that could be interesting I guess

not the hugest fan of that design

[worthy cave]

Merc had no boss

[proud gorge]

but it's mildly interesting

[worthy cave]

Imagine a heist bloodline from twins 😛

Could legit have one notable be to get the other ele ailments at the cost of default ones

[proud gorge]

yeah but they could easily have just thrown a boss into Merc for the purposes of a bloodline if they really needed to

some sort of, like, Merc Army

[hexed mountain]

40% chance for triple damage is 80% more damage

[sour umbra]

Heist cat is my greatest treasure

[potent bramble]

Could still be a bloodline that buffs mercs, like "Wealthy Warriors: The contents of Mercenaries' pockets are lucky"

[hard cliff]

I dunt play cyclone

stinky

[hexed mountain]

So it cannot be 190% damage

[plush gulch]

you play lancing steel yes

[hard cliff]

I want to

[plush gulch]

just do the same body armlour

[proud gorge]

but yeah, there's definitely some bloodlines that are kind of stinkers and could be given some reworks

[hexed mountain]

Its 126% damage

[crude moat]

according my brainrot math it's around 37% more damage

[proud gorge]

like I don't think I've seen a single person even have the Delirium bloodline, let alone have points in it

[worthy cave]

That said, wildspeaker, while being generically good, might just be worse than other classes that do something focused

[hard cliff]

Attack cost just really isn't my issue I'm worried about getting enough damage on this thing to be worth it and whether the scavenger send it to see us even where to bothering with

[worthy cave]

Wildspeaker to me looks a bit like "Ryu in Marvel vs. Capcom"

[hexed mountain]

Wildspeaker + farrul sounds really nicz

[sonic needle]

I don't know, in my opinion nerfs are absurd. Even if they didn't do any changes to AC i highly doubt it would be as popular as before. It's just was a good starter.

[hexed mountain]

Like 4 points wildspeaker 4 points farrul

[worthy cave]

4 points farrul?

How do you plan on keeping the tiger alive?

[plush gulch]

why don't you league start what you want and see where it's going ? wing it

[hexed mountain]

Not the tiger

[worthy cave]

You want to do unsupported warcries?

Like I get cats on crit

[hexed mountain]

You get so ma'y random minions you can grab the attack speed per minion

[hard cliff]

Cuz I want to actually play the game and if I leave start something crappy I'm going to get stuck in maps or at like two void stones

[plush gulch]

i think you worry too much I managed to get my fourth voidstone on sr totem with some gear

[worthy cave]

YOu're capped to 5 tigers

[plush gulch]

you can do it on anything

I think

[worthy cave]

so you'd need 35 more minions?

[plush gulch]

you'"re better than me

[worthy cave]

From where? Uranus?

[proud gorge]

like, the Delirium nodes are: generic but also random power (that's worse than the other generic power nodes and thus not taken, see the issue with generic power nodes?), a highly active bad defense button, and a genuinely decent defensive layer that has a ridiculously harsh downside

[split maple]

herald of purity for 4

[hexed mountain]

10 wolves 5 cats and you surely can get more bullshit minions in the build

[split maple]

oh wolves too

[tough cove]

the real problem is by the time you get the delirium node you dont need it

[plush gulch]

you need a super solid build for simulacrum

true

[tough cove]

like the defensive node would be great if you didnt essentially had to be at the point where you dont need it anymore to acquire it

[proud gorge]

yeah

[tough cove]

likei would rock that node if i could get it durign whites/early yellows

[hexed mountain]

you're at like 20 base minions with golem too , that's already a decent node tbh

[potent bramble]

SRS my beloved lol

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hug-gif-26546176639434304

[tough cove]

or good ole spooders

[worthy cave]

Oh idea idea

[plush gulch]

you mean scorching ray right you put a S that shouldn't have

[worthy cave]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/You're_the_crazy_one!

[plush gulch]

sr totem is good

[hexed mountain]

at 20 minions its already 40% attack speed

[crude moat]

so you do 10 hits of 10000 each hit (for clear % purposes)
10000/30 = 7.666 = damage per hit with 30% less damage
7.666 x 3 (triple damage) = 22.998
But that only happens 4 times every 10 (40% chance avg)
22.998 x 4 = 91.992
91.992 + (7.666 * 6) (6 remaining hits for the 10 hits) = 91.992 + 45.996 = 137.988
37.98% more than 100000 (10 x 10000 which would be the normal damage)
am I messing up something?

[hexed mountain]

nothing to scoff at

[worthy cave]

with harbinger 100% decreased debuff duration

[hard cliff]

I've got some stuff to do but when I get home later I think I'm going to try to test blade volley detonation build or figure out something with Lansing steel that's silly

[worthy cave]

and the delirium boots?

problem is then you won't be able to get a sedcond notable with harbinger

because each one now requires you to take a harbinger summon first?

Or is that just a cooked idea?

because then you get the debuffs twice as quickly?

From boots and from the deli notable?

[plush gulch]

im going to wing it behemot rage vortex of berserking, that's all I know it's enough for me

[hexed mountain]

depends on build i guess i'm not sure you can afford the bloodline

[proud gorge]

it's not "take damage over time equal to 40% of the damage from the hit", it's "four seconds later, take the negated damage as a second seperate instance of damage"

[worthy cave]

Wrong notable

"You're the crazy one" inflicts mania onto nearby enemies

[proud gorge]

oh, yeah, misty reflection

[worthy cave]

but you also get the deli debuffs from the boots

[hexed mountain]

i know on impending doom i would want 5 nodes on harbi

so its hard to grab a bloodline

[proud gorge]

no wait the other one yeah

[worthy cave]

so I'm not sure what happens when you stack deli boots with that notable

[plush gulch]

the world explode

D4 become good

[worthy cave]

because it reads like it'll apply them twice as fast to you

[proud gorge]

I mean, they both grant a skill

[worthy cave]

oh

[proud gorge]

if you have the same skill twice

you just have the same skill twice

[hexed mountain]

the one from bloodline applies every second , the boots every 2 seconds

[proud gorge]

same as if you have both Polytheist abberath's fury and abberath's hooves abberath's fury

[hexed mountain]

i think the bloodline one is meme worthy tbh

[proud gorge]

it's just two different skills

[hexed mountain]

too hard to remove

[plush gulch]

the only problem I have with the patchnote...

what the hell are they doing with polytheist

[hexed mountain]

poly is great imo

[plush gulch]

great for what

[hexed mountain]

that's a LOT of problems fixed with the buff and ascendancy

[plush gulch]

respec into AC

[proud gorge]

I mean it was always the "kind of generic power" ascendancy

[hexed mountain]

by far the best ascendancy at lab 1

[proud gorge]

by giving it a bunch of immunities that plays further into "kind of generic power"

[plush gulch]

i genuinely don't see any good in the buff they gave I don't think it fixed any problem it has

[hexed mountain]

and then it fixed unaffected by shock/ignite /corrupted blood , charges

[plush gulch]

it give some random stuff

no link between them

[hexed mountain]

it gives a lot of stuff you want

[plush gulch]

no way to build around anything

[worthy cave]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Beacon_of_Madness + https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/You're_the_crazy_one! + Harbinger?

[proud gorge]

but honestly I like the design of Polytheist's "kind of generic power", because unlike some other ascendancies, the "it's just a jumble of disconnected stats" thing is the entire point of Polytheist

[hexed mountain]

and unaffected is better than cannot be because you can get synergies

[plush gulch]

I like the idea yeah

[tough cove]

i mean scavenger gave random stuff with no link between them and it was the 2nd strongest ascendancy last phrecia

[worthy cave]

though not sure how you're getting fortify on a witch

[hexed mountain]

lunaris for +2 proj is pretty decent later

[proud gorge]

that's why it's Polytheist, it's like base game Scion, it's just a bunch of random different nodes

[proud gorge]

that can have synergies, maybe

[rich widget]

my build is so coked now

[hexed mountain]

and devout of gruthkull enables lightpoacher builds

[proud gorge]

but doesn't obviously present anything obvious

[hexed mountain]

i'm most likely starting polytheist

[proud gorge]

some of the other ascendancies maybe overly "guidepost" their builds, but Polytheist is just, well, there's a lot of things

[hexed mountain]

did a lil tree and you have one shot levels of damage at first lab without skills and items

[plush gulch]

what are those things

beside elemental and curse immunity

[tough cove]

devout of yugul is a nerf though

[proud gorge]

none of the individual nodes are so generic that they'd fit on any build

[plush gulch]

😔

[proud gorge]

so making it works requires finding some build that can actually make use of multiple of the build's strengths at once

[tough cove]

devout of rakalesh is that gejneric

[proud gorge]

a bit yeah

[tough cove]

immune to cblood +3 min charges is as generic any build as you can get

[proud gorge]

that's the most generic one

[plush gulch]

the minimyum charge is very good

[proud gorge]

you know what you could do lmao

[plush gulch]

I mean the question is why would you play polytheist

[proud gorge]

just take that one node, then put the other three ascendancies into a bloodline lmao

[hexed mountain]

because on day 1 its the best ascendancy

[plush gulch]

the only reason I see is I don't want to play another templar ascendancy and want to steal a templar node later

[proud gorge]

I'm taking it because I like Abberath's Fury

[hard cliff]

link me the pob when you've got it cooking

[tough cove]

devout of brine is also super good early

[proud gorge]

I'm an Abberath's Fury enjoyer

[plush gulch]

i don't make pob I just log in to the game

[worthy cave]

pol;ytheist looks like wildspeaker in the "generically okay, but not particularly good"

[proud gorge]

I'm going to force Abberath's Fury no matter what

[plush gulch]

it will have to wait until im in maps

[hexed mountain]

it just fixes everything you want fixed on a low gear character imo

[plush gulch]

I guess

[tough cove]

also devout of ryslatha on attack builts

[plush gulch]

but i feel like the early part of the game isn't really the hardest

[hexed mountain]

no charge gen issues , no ailment issues , no regen issues , no burning ground issues

[proud gorge]

what if I wore Abberath's Hooves and also played Polytheist? That's just the same skill twice, but since both just cast on step, nothing technically prevents you from having both at once

[hexed mountain]

you can use both

[proud gorge]

the Hooves one is a lot weaker though

[hexed mountain]

they overlap

[proud gorge]

but hey, I'm sure I can figure something out

[plush gulch]

you can use gem on the boots

that's why

[glacial orchid]

What skill uses all the parts of Toad Pact? Fireball ignite prolif?

[hexed mountain]

can put combustion on boots

[proud gorge]

yeah, my point is that the boots one is, uh, really bad for dealing damage

[plush gulch]

forbidden right poison ?

[proud gorge]

meanwhile the ascendancy one can't get links

[hexed mountain]

but it has damagez

[proud gorge]

yeah

but there's got to be something I can do with the two combined, hitting literally simultaneously, every step

[hexed mountain]

i think i'll go abberath's ascendancy until red maps then respec it for lunaris and use a projectile spell

+2 proj 30% aoe is neat

[tough cove]

my real question is how is aristo gonna break attri stacking

[plush gulch]

scavenger allow some crazy combination

polytheist I don't see what it allows

[proud gorge]

is there some support gem or something that lets you consume an ignite for damage?

[split maple]

blight ❤️

oh game crashed

[proud gorge]

the problem is even if you went ignite for the ascendancy Abberath's Fury, the lack of support gems makes it very difficult to scale

[hexed mountain]

polytheist would make very easy melding of flesh too

[spice pecan]

speaking of game crashing, i just started getting boot device lost bsods

rip

[hexed mountain]

with just the helm and poly you're at +15 cold

the 30% more max attack damage works well with the lucky graft too

[thick goblet]

do you at least have the fancy new black screen or still the og blue screen

[plush gulch]

it's like going to mcdonalds they put extra sauce in your bag but forgot the burgers

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Polytheist definitely isn't even close to the best ascendancy, but it's sort of jumbled all-over-the-place nature is appealing to me specifically. I think it's fine for it to be kind of a jumble but also not very good.

[spice pecan]

i get black screen for boot device lost sometimes after bsod'ing

[proud gorge]

I'd prefer it if were less generic, but eh

[spice pecan]

not the "new" blackscreen, w/e that is

[proud gorge]

it being all over the place is kind of the point

[spice pecan]

just "insert boot device" command line style blackscreen

[proud gorge]

if Polytheist were super strong, then it'd be a problem

but as is it's nice as sort of an off meta build puzzle

[hexed mountain]

i mean the node before is 30% more max attack damage and no regen (and the small nodes are 10% global def which is amazing)

[plush gulch]

but as I said earlier scav allow crazy pairing of unique and effect

[thick goblet]

In newer versions of Microsoft Windows since Windows 11 version 24H2, a black-colored blue screen of death ("BSoD") is used to indicate a system crash, where the operating system reaches a critical condition where it can no longer operate safely.

[spice pecan]

i'm on win10

[oak blade]

we lost guys

its over

go next league

[plush gulch]

🤔

[spice pecan]

i think my m.2 drive is failing, otherwise i wouldn't get an insert boot device screen

[tranquil sedge]

this was like the most obvious expected video guide lol

[proud gorge]

well yeah, like I said, Polytheist would be problematic and dumb if it were the strongest generic power ascendancy, but as a weaker option it's nice to have, not overly disruptive but usable and a bit weird

[tranquil sedge]

did u think connor wouldn't make a guide on whisperer lmao

[oak blade]

i was hoping he would bait with mfa

[thick goblet]

just rush uber elder and print indigons for three days, ez mirror

[tranquil sedge]

i mean he is going mfa

[spice pecan]

he does plan on switching to mfa in the vid

[hexed mountain]

but the reason i personally want to go poly is lab 1 abberath walking straight through the campain

[tranquil sedge]

but everyone learned in 3.25 that leaguestarting mfa is aids

myself included

[plush gulch]

like I was trying to think of a way to build fulcrum tainted pact blackflame earlier, super cool idea

[spice pecan]

yeah you dont start mfa but kboc whisperer transitions into it

[hexed mountain]

connor likes to play aids builds as starters

[proud gorge]

huh, sounds fun

[plush gulch]

@proud gorgeand you could never do that normally because where would be your dmg lol

[spice pecan]

he also likes things that are somewhat playable

i would not put leaguestart mfa in that category

[tranquil sedge]

the main reason its aids isn't even that its unplayable

[spice pecan]

especially when there's just strictly a better starter available right there

[oak blade]

he leaguestarted as mfa in 3.25

[tranquil sedge]

its because for how much u invest in it early on, kboc will outperform you ten times over

[oak blade]

like didnt start as kboc xd

[spice pecan]

and he learned, like everyone else did

[tranquil sedge]

yea he also said it wasn't a good idea explicitly

[spice pecan]

start kboc, get indigon and like 50d, go mfa

[tranquil sedge]

but he wanted to do it anyway

[eternal hill]

@haughty ermine was there anything pivital for melehit to function? IE if only shield slot is reserved?

[tranquil sedge]

like he's one of the 'i like to play my build asap zero to hero' people

but mfa is just not worth leaguestarting even for that

[spice pecan]

ye

[tranquil sedge]

kboc outperforms way too much

[eternal hill]

cus its GAMBA time

[oak blade]

yeah

[spice pecan]

im kinda in that camp, i like playing my build as early as i can

[oak blade]

idek why kboc got a buff man

[spice pecan]

but mfa is way too fucked for that

[plush gulch]

I wasn't smartr enough to make it work

[tranquil sedge]

when did kboc get a buff

[proud gorge]

ah, unfortunate

[spice pecan]

3.27

[tranquil sedge]

orly

[oak blade]

this league

[proud gorge]

I mean it's a Fulcrum ignite build, isn't it?

[spice pecan]

they gave it like 2% more damage per mana

[oak blade]

it got the mana% buffed

[plush gulch]

im bad at making build

[tranquil sedge]

i c

[haughty ermine]

wdym reserving shield

[proud gorge]

just do a huge reflected ignite, plus get some proliferate

[eternal hill]

used for a specific unique

[proud gorge]

not on-kill proliferate though

[plush gulch]

but idk how to scale dmg and defense on build, basiaclly any build I make fall down in T16 map

i get two voidstone easy

[eternal hill]

rest is what ever needed

[plush gulch]

then.. meh

[haughty ermine]

you can probably slap in whatever

[proud gorge]

I think there's some decent prolif setup that lets you get a giant ignite on yourself and then run around burning everything with it

[eternal hill]

Cus there is a good chance of silly gambler shenaginance

[plush gulch]

yeah that was the idea

[proud gorge]

and if you're using Tainted Pact, then you don't even need to be able to survive your own ignite

[empty bronze]

chat

[tranquil sedge]

fwiw in hindsight if you leaguestart mfa you'd rather go ele hit bow build into lightning arrow transition later i think

that's probably the smoother way to do it

[eternal hill]

downside: have to play elemental melee build

[plush gulch]

the issue we gave up because we are unable to be leeching at all time

[empty bronze]

should i go daugher of oshabi poison spells or poison wander?

[haughty ermine]

gambler is mid

[plush gulch]

@proud gorgethe idea was heaxlbast of contradiction

[proud gorge]

yeah, makes sense, gotta have infinite leech to make it function

[hexed mountain]

gambler is funny on paper

[empty bronze]

gambler is for woespike cyclone

[oak blade]

how expensive was indigon in phrecia i dont even remember it being that expensive

[plush gulch]

I hope automation FR worked but it doesn't

[tranquil sedge]

week 1 like 30-40d depending on rolls

[eternal hill]

double digit divines

[proud gorge]

it's doable, but you'd need some way to constantly generate 2 second leeches on worms

[oak blade]

i feel like i got it for like under 20d

[proud gorge]

with that one worm ring

[tranquil sedge]

it dropped to 20d+ later ye

[empty bronze]

leech flask

[proud gorge]

at least 2 second leeches, that is

[hexed mountain]

99% chance to block either spells or attacks without needing to block recently is downright hysterical

[tranquil sedge]

i expect it will probably be a little more expensive this time

[plush gulch]

then I need to hit them and the fulcrum ignite would kill them which would not leech

[tranquil sedge]

but that's not rly a big deal

if u could farm 40d you can farm 50d np

[proud gorge]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

maybe takes u one extra day to swap

[hexed mountain]

like glamber really is either immune to attacks or to spells

[tranquil sedge]

np

[plush gulch]

yeah the issue is how to hit ourselves

[oak blade]

its not even hard to self farm it either tbh

its like a 1/8

[plush gulch]

hard enough and all the time

[tranquil sedge]

ye its doable but frag prices will balance with cost of helm so

[normal hedge]

1/8 would be a 1/40 for me, just like senses

[tranquil sedge]

overall its whatever

[plush gulch]

I wasn't smart enough to solve it

maybe someone can

[proud gorge]

I'm not quite sure either

[empty bronze]

theres multiple ways to hit yourself

[tranquil sedge]

if ur good at uber bossing, sure rush and farm it yourself and infact keep farming uber eater for a few days to drop some more of them to sell and make money

otherwise just do whatever else for div and buy a good rolled helm

[plush gulch]

in game alright

[oak blade]

was it uber drop in 3.25?

i feel like it wasnt

[empty bronze]

scolds bridle does 400% of mana cost as a physical hit to you

[proud gorge]

I know the Cast on Portal setup uses Emnity's Embrace, but I'm not sure if that counts as leechable self-damage

[split maple]

it was basic uber elder already in settlers

like its rly funny how trade overvalues it so much

[tranquil sedge]

uber elder as in basic uber elder
not uber uber elder

[hexed mountain]

like mr gambler might be the dumbest boss killer ascendancy if you pick heads

[proud gorge]

it might?

[empty bronze]

forbbiden rite does like 40% of your life as chaos damage as a hit

[oak blade]

ahh yeah i forgot

[spice pecan]

also want to point out that kboc whisperer is absolutely playable with fractal thoughts/mind of the council, but you're trolling if you run either of those on mfa

[tranquil sedge]

its not trolling lol on mfa

[plush gulch]

i was told it doesn't work with bladefall of thrathus anymore

[tranquil sedge]

you run mind of the council before indigon

[oak blade]

i remember my friend dropping it on his first uber elder xd

[tranquil sedge]

thats ur mid tier helmet

[split maple]

also want to point out whatever bow is going to beat also kboc before indigon

[empty bronze]

then use something else

[tranquil sedge]

rare helm -> mind of the council 2-5 div -> indigon 30-40d

[split maple]

like rly why do you all worry so much about common boss drop farm it then swap

[tranquil sedge]

that was the 3.25 phrecia progression

[spice pecan]

would not play mfa without indigon at all

but maybe

[oak blade]

^

[tranquil sedge]

if you leaguestart it you would lol

and thats the progression for that

yes obviously swapping post-indigon better

[spice pecan]

this is why we aren't leaguestarting it xdd

[tranquil sedge]

[spice pecan]

[split maple]

also kboc before indigon is like B tier at best

[eternal hill]

just play kboc

[empty bronze]

@plush gulch you could go for self poison forbbiden rite

[split maple]

you need indigon for it to feel S

[spice pecan]

nah kboc with fractal thoughts get kinda dummy ngl

[split maple]

but its better starter than mfa for sure

[tranquil sedge]

its not even that you can't play the damn thing
its just that for how much div u put into it even pre-indigon, kboc will blow it out of the water

[eternal hill]

kboc is pretty smooth to T16s

[spice pecan]

even with toilet brush

[empty bronze]

just make sure your poison duration is shorter than however long your leech lasts

[tranquil sedge]

or any other build really

[proud gorge]

actually what is the issue with the self-damage sources? Like I said, you might be able to use Emnity's Embrace self-damage?

[oak blade]

yeah idk kboc is extremely playable with whisperer

[tranquil sedge]

you just feel like ur divs are going in the toilet until indigon

[ocean field]

freaky ahh buff

[proud gorge]

or other sources of self-damage

[tranquil sedge]

after that tho ur on a rocketship to the moon

[oak blade]

it was already not bad out of campaign this league with buffs

[plush gulch]

the build was about using fulcrum tainted pact from scavenger but for sure i could do that with bog shaman

[split maple]

indigon made by kboc hiero insta ubers by itself

[oak blade]

whisperer is so fucking crazy for kboc though

[split maple]

before single target is kinda slow

[empty bronze]

you could also go daughter of oshabi

[hexed mountain]

fenumus being so cheap kinda makes me want to try arakaali too , 30% reduced damage dealt to nearby ennemies is wild

[split maple]

and hiero is better than whisperer for kboc

[plush gulch]

it need to be big enough or fast enough so we are constantly leeching, leeching depend on how big the hit is vs our life pool

[proud gorge]

Emnity's Embrace, convert all fire damage taken into phys or something, hit yourself with some big fire -> phys hits and leech off that, probably?

[limber lance]

quick question. In phrecia we get random amounts of map mods on every area, does that add to map mods, overwrite them or just dont count for maps

[proud gorge]

double Emnitys can hit yourself for, like, up to 600 damage each

so 1200 damage for both

[split maple]

adds to them but without being scaled by explicit effect on idols

same as risk scarab

[empty bronze]

daughter of oshabi has
All Damage inflicts Poison against Enemies affected by at least 5 Grasping Vines
Inflict 1 Grasping Vine on Hit
15% Chance to inflict an additional Poison on the same target when you inflict Poison

[plush gulch]

didn't thought of that

[civic charm]

How rare do you think yndas stand will be in phrecia?

[proud gorge]

and you don't need that much leech percent to generate a 4 second leech or whatever

[plush gulch]

@empty bronzebut I don't want to waste more of your time we were discussing a build idea I had but i decided to go rage vortex behemoth

[split maple]

yndas is fucking rare

[oak blade]

what did hiero take as 4th point i assume the one bloodline for crit right

[split maple]

if there will be any demand for it it will be issue

[empty bronze]

im making a daughter of oshabi poison build

[split maple]

farul kitties yea

[plush gulch]

im motivated for rage vortex

[civic charm]

Damn so Ward stacking is kinda cooked?

[empty bronze]

im thinking either sacred wisps wander with the +2 sacred wisps limit node, or use poison spells

[plush gulch]

I think it stop being worth it if I have to commit this many stuff and suffix for fire res

[empty bronze]

like blazing salvo to build the grasping vines up fast

[proud gorge]

I mean the Emnity's Embrace build wants to have fire damage taken converted to phys or something

since Emnity's self-damage will kill the fuck out of you if it's fire damage

[plush gulch]

earlier scavenger had a 30% phys as fire

[hexed mountain]

antiquarian wouldnt run ynda anyway i think , but others need it yeah

[plush gulch]

it was cool

xD

[proud gorge]

nah the opposite, fire as phys

lmao

[plush gulch]

i know

too many issue man

that's why people play slayer

on tainted pact

[civic charm]

Really I thought it would for 100% conversion

[plush gulch]

they just overleech and leech on overkill

and never have any issue

[civic charm]

So I can do a antiquarian ward stacking with night grip?

[hexed mountain]

you go too high in ward and then the olroth node making hits only above 15% break it would require like 3000 damage hit to hit the ward

[proud gorge]

but yeah, at 6000 max hp, you'd need to generate a leech instance equal to 480, which would be, uh, difficult

with Emnity's Embrace

[plush gulch]

btw we were considering enabling perma flask with ff jewel pathfinder

to get leech flask

very smart

not my idea

won't take credit

[hexed mountain]

while going no ynda leaves you with like 1500 1500 armor evasion flat on chest and you got a TON of global def so you get really nice mapping armour/eva

[proud gorge]

couldn't you just run Mageblood though

[plush gulch]

the answer is always yes

is my pocket big enough

no

[hexed mountain]

you go ynda if you do nightgrip omega ward and forget about the defenses a bit

[proud gorge]

I suppose for a short Phrecia event yeah

[light hearth]

for the first time after 2000 hours of PoE I'm finally using PoB to homebrew a build

and now I realize how much I suck

[proud gorge]

yeah, I've been there

[civic charm]

Ah that makes sense. I was thinking night grip omega ward.

[plush gulch]

I never use pob to make my build

😔

[hexed mountain]

yeah if you nightgrip you go ynda

[proud gorge]

honestly I find that it's easiest to start with a similar build someone else made

and then adapt it to fit

[south tapir]

You can always use PoE ninja to start a foundation, that's pretty common practice
There's a heatmap of the skill tree for whatever variables you set that you can look at too :)

[plush gulch]

I prefer I do the campaign I open the skill tree

and see where there is light

[light hearth]

yea but not many people play storm burst surfcaster sadly

[proud gorge]

I mean that's just lightning skill surfcaster

[plush gulch]

don't you know it's one of the most popular endgame build

no im kidding

[light hearth]

true enough

[south tapir]

You can look at adjacent skills and make adjustments

[proud gorge]

most lightning skills on surfcaster play identically

that's one issue with a lot of the spell skills in the game right now

[plush gulch]

similar stuff scale similarly

any bleed build, ignite

[proud gorge]

they just deal spell damage and that's it, so they have no real identity in a build beyond their tags

so you can just find and replace most spells with another spell

[plush gulch]

hey they have a nice personality alright

[hexed mountain]

i dont get why they nerfed the ghost node on surf , i dont think it was that great lategame , just really good first lab

[ocean field]

guys does shock actually have sig dmg increase practically speaking since if you ur attack is strong enough to have reasonally amount of shock you will prolly kill the enemy anyway. Even with something like 2x shock effect or am I wrong?

[proud gorge]

like I really like Firestorm of Meteors, so I wanted to try to make it work, but turns out the best build for it was EBlade CoC Spellblade

[plush gulch]

is it a big deal though ? people would still take it

[proud gorge]

and like, that does technically work for Meteors

[plush gulch]

average good stuff

[proud gorge]

but literally just taking out Meteors and replacing it with Blazing Salvo makes the build immediately way better

[ocean field]

any suggestions?

[proud gorge]

since most of Meteors' issues come from usability and the big delay on cast before damage

and it has no unique qualities at all as a spell beyond that

[hexed mountain]

but the more you shock the harder you hit the more you shock , so its good

[plush gulch]

do meteor even exist irl

🤔

[proud gorge]

uh, yeah?

[plush gulch]

firestorm irl when

[proud gorge]

it's just that in real life they typically burn up in the atmosphere before reaching the ground

[ocean field]

firestrom exists tho

irl

[proud gorge]

entering the atmosphere is tough

[plush gulch]

volcano?

[plush gulch]

if it's that tough why doesn't it fight me

[proud gorge]

atmospheric entry is the real test of your fire res and recovery

that's RF for men

[plush gulch]

x)

[ocean field]

close usually it is when a forest fire starts and become uncontrollable

causing a firestorm

[plush gulch]

I see

cool to learn

[ocean field]

stuff like this

[plush gulch]

poor tree

it was a bit racist but it did nothing wrong

[civic charm]

The night grip 75% of DMG bypasses ward is that regardless of the size of the hit?

[ocean field]

isn't that a good thing tho

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[plush gulch]

it's dead 😔 regardless

very beautiful photo

was it your crime?

[ocean field]

yeah

[plush gulch]

is that why the photo is so clear

okay

im gonna call police

[proud gorge]

what's a little arson between friends

[crude moat]

it kicked my grandma last week, deff deserved to burn

[ocean field]

Police help me with it

I work for the government

[proud gorge]

I mean we've all burned down a forest or two

[civic charm]

My goal of an immortal night grip warder is cooked

[plush gulch]

ask AI to fix your build

[proud gorge]

Polyphemus emote

[ocean field]

btw

[plush gulch]

yes

[ocean field]

does shock actually have sig dmg increase practically speaking since if you ur attack is strong enough to have reasonally amount of shock you will prolly kill the enemy anyway. Even with something like 2x shock effect or am I wrong?

[jagged raven]

when does phrecia start?

[hexed mountain]

it has a good damage increase

shock is good

[plush gulch]

in two days

[proud gorge]

if you think about it, Polyphemus from The Odyssey is a Legacy of Phrecia reference

[jagged raven]

ok

[proud gorge]

Polytheist wins again

[ocean field]

yeah but like hmm

[plush gulch]

check poe 1 news you'll see what hour it is for you

[ocean field]

I was in delirum stage 15

had decent shock

but I was hardly inflicting like 20%

[plush gulch]

that's because you weren't hitting hard enough vs the life pool and effectiveness/dmg reduction of the monster

[hoary scarab]

its clearly a jojos reference

[empty bronze]

shock needs big hits

[ocean field]

yeah that is true

[plush gulch]

to deal good shock to a pinnacle boss you need to wake up very early

[ocean field]

but isn't this ironic tho cause if are hitting big why would u need to shock

[plush gulch]

rich get richer situationb

doesnt it

[hoary scarab]

to make funny number go up

[ocean field]

such is life

[hoary scarab]

isnt this why we all play

[empty bronze]

thats why you see some stuff like Skills Shock Enemies as though dealing (500-690)% more Damage

[ocean field]

so practilly not that much use

[plush gulch]

get more shock

[empty bronze]

to hit even bigger

[ocean field]

Skills Shock Enemies as though dealing (500-690)% more Damag where is this

[plush gulch]

some skills do

some support gem

[empty bronze]

personally i think ggg should change it so if you do a bunch of small hits within say, a second, it should add them together for dealing ailments like shock

[plush gulch]

anyway gota go

[ocean field]

hmmm

[plush gulch]

ignite in poe 2

funny

[empty bronze]

because i play stuff like trigger bots brand recall

[split maple]

what vendoring a league worth of shit scarbs looks like

[empty bronze]

and i hit a lot

[hoary scarab]

just hit a lot and hit big

easy

[empty bronze]

any ideas if this'll be any good in phrecia?

[pulsar dune]

I think that's a no

[rich widget]

yo does anybody have ideas to auto summon zomibes?

[pulsar dune]

I don't believe hidden blade was ever good

[hoary scarab]

no

[hoary scarab]

for what purpose

[empty bronze]

ggg, buff hidden blade

[empty bronze]

do you mind if its falling zombies?

[rich widget]

thinking of going dd with zombies with the puppter

[rich widget]

i think it has to be normal

[empty bronze]

:(

[hoary scarab]

just slap it on arcanist brand i guess

or totem

[civic charm]

We think shrine stacking is still gonna be good?

[empty bronze]

actually, brand recaller isnt as good in phrecia

[hoary scarab]

dont need to 6l for DD

[empty bronze]

unless you get a forbidden flesh/flame for triggerbots

then you can go nuts with falling zombies triggers

[hoary scarab]

FF for triggerbots is dirt cheap in phrecia

[empty bronze]

waow

[hoary scarab]

last phrecia i got both for 100c i think

i played falling zombies arakaali

[ocean field]

guys how to make both the area hit and melee hit of smite of divine judgement hit the target

[empty bronze]

you put brand recall on automation, then it triggers the spell hooked up to arcanist brand like 24 times if you have 6 brands

[ocean field]

should I stand as close as possible

or is there an optimal distance

[hoary scarab]

you need "strike skills hit an additional target"

and stand a bit away

[ocean field]

what

oh

stand like how far away

[split maple]

you want to move away from the boss until you see 2 bolts hitting it

you dont care about melee hit

[empty bronze]

chat

[split maple]

but about 2 bolts

[ocean field]

oh

I see

[split maple]

so just stand direct over boss then move away and click until you find distance

[empty bronze]

somebody should play a lightpoacher build

[ocean field]

so basically it is 2x the area hit

[hoary scarab]

doesnt that not work for divine smite

[rich widget]

dam

[eternal hill]

then play it

[ocean field]

not 1x melee hit and 1x area hit

[split maple]

it worked when i played it

[eternal hill]

I remember when poacher was lowkey chase item

[empty bronze]

check it out next league, brand recaller sabo is fun

[empty bronze]

there are a few ways to prevent the spell triggering

[rich widget]

WAIT

[hoary scarab]

sadly they took away the poacher tech with behemoth

[rich widget]

Heartbound Loop + cast when damge taken perhapes?

[ocean field]

so we don't care about melee hit? only area hit matters and the damage from it?

[empty bronze]

i played it this league with eye of winter

[split maple]

y and like Coooleen said you need nonvaal extra strike

[ocean field]

bro came

[eternal hill]

you get your own area hit + additional strike's melee part.....

[ocean field]

ohhhh

[hoary scarab]

you can get the additional strike from glove implici

[ocean field]

so it is still melee and area

[split maple]

also mastery on tree gives it

[ocean field]

not 2x area

[hoary scarab]

ye

[eternal hill]

most smite builds the difference between those 2 is neglible

[ocean field]

true

[hoary scarab]

wiki calls out the abuse

ban inc

xd

[sleek barn]

hear me out

GGG should add a skill that rewards people with high WPM

like you type words and your skill does more damage

[hoary scarab]

thats reserved for poe2

[sleek barn]

i would play poo2 for that purpose then

[ocean field]

I will just slam the keyboard

[hoary scarab]

i do hope they get rewarding combo gameplay down in poe2 someday

[eternal hill]

Do you get the element based on the content of those wpm

[sleek barn]

well if you type an incorrect character your skill does 0 damage

oh true

lets say if you type a ! at the end of the word its fire

[hoary scarab]

real time event in an arpg pog

[sleek barn]

if you type a ? its cold

and if you type a . its lightning

[pliant hamlet]

I feel like everytime there's some strong skill combo it's gutted soon after.
I'll never understand why EDC has to be so bad lol

[tranquil sedge]

theres only one answer to questions like that

https://tenor.com/view/game-game-director-middle-finger-poe-poe-2-gif-12260517582311235025

[hoary scarab]

EDC is fine rn tbh, just that other stuff already overshadows it

[pliant hamlet]

flicker of power can have 45b dps, but edc struggles to break 8m dps in mirror gear

[sleek barn]

jonathan rogers my beloved

[pliant hamlet]

lmao fair

[hoary scarab]

no DoT multi sadge

[eternal hill]

Show me a EDC build with passable dmg without 100div+ gear

[pliant hamlet]

Go do ubers on EDC in under 100d in gear

[sleek barn]

whats passable damage

[eternal hill]

excellent question

[hoary scarab]

dont forget, if you go over dot cap in poe2, you deal no dmg

[eternal hill]

idk 5M

[hoary scarab]

kek

[pliant hamlet]

Hell, I don't even think EDC is playable in any sort of decent mapping strat in realistic gear

[hoary scarab]

5m dps kills any "uber" boss in poe2 in literally 4 seconds

[eternal hill]

I was talking of poe1

[tranquil sedge]

lol what

[hoary scarab]

we were talking poe2

[hoary scarab]

yep

[eternal hill]

then #2┃general off you go

[hoary scarab]

they somehow managed to mess up dot cap in poe2, so it just completely fizzles

[tranquil sedge]

wat kinda dps numbers do big dick builds there get

[sleek barn]

dot cap isn't real it can't hurt you

[tranquil sedge]

like here we know we can do billions on meta builds if we really want to

whats the 'limit' there

[pliant hamlet]

They just don't clamp it there lol

[sour umbra]

Poo2

[pliant hamlet]

because wtf do you need that much damage for

[sleek barn]

theres definitely been billion damage builds in poo2 already

like in 0.1 there was already

[hoary scarab]

last league we had infernalist builds that did literally 500b dps average

now its like 45b dps on high end

[tranquil sedge]

the fuck lol

[sleek barn]

i ain't reaching those numbers though

[sour umbra]

Poo2 so easy you dont even need gear to do pinacles

[sleek barn]

im sticking to my 1m in poe1

[pliant hamlet]

Doesn't like...the highest health boss have 45m hp or something?

[hoary scarab]

25m

[pliant hamlet]

and no damage reduction

lol

[sleek barn]

bring in Warframe damage attenuation

[tranquil sedge]

okay maybe some context might help me

[pliant hamlet]

Is there anything you can even scale to be tanky enough?

[tranquil sedge]

fubgun's mirror bow builds this league for temple

wat kinda numbers are those pulling

or at least builds like that

[hoary scarab]

that build sucked, like 10m max

ngl

[pliant hamlet]

bow? I'd guess a few mil dps atmost

[sleek barn]

bow just fast

[pliant hamlet]

also, 10m dps kills the tankiest boss in the game in 2.5 seconds

like you don't need that much dps lol

[hoary scarab]

but yeah, gonna stop talking poe2 in here cause mod asked already

[sleek barn]

idk whats the highest end build this league

[tranquil sedge]

i see

[pulsar dune]

500b DPS is wild, that's like... bugged chest in std levels of DPS for poe1

[sleek barn]

this league probably str/int stacker hit the highest numbers?

idk

[tranquil sedge]

poe1?

[sleek barn]

yeah

[split maple]

int/accu yea

[pliant hamlet]

before we knew about dot caps, there was an old BV poison build back when skyforth was meta that hit 500b dps

[hoary scarab]

happens when you give players the ability to have like 9000% more dmg multi from demon form

[sleek barn]

int accuracy whoops

[tranquil sedge]

kira and esm pob'd a 20b+ viper strike int/accu stacker

[sleek barn]

esm padding though

smh

[split maple]

hey it was lacrolyte pob base

[tranquil sedge]

nah that was almost actually doable lmao

[split maple]

and yea a humble 2% of dps was unrealistic abyssal jewel 😄

other stuff looked doable in league

[tranquil sedge]

just remove the double corrupts from their large clusters and that abyss jewel lmfao

rest was doable

[sleek barn]

lmao

[pliant hamlet]

tbf, those mirror chest builds actually have to not take any damage and sometimes even have to lose damage to avoid going over the damage cap

[tranquil sedge]

disgusting ring tho

[sleek barn]

2% padding is good

[pliant hamlet]

not the dot cap, the literal damage hit cap lol

[pulsar dune]

true true

[split maple]

we didnt even take third ring

can prolly push it more

[pulsar dune]

500B means you have to do a capped hit 250 times a second lmao

[sleek barn]

why viper strike

high DE?

[tranquil sedge]

when u dual wield it hits with both at once

big DE

[hoary scarab]

viper strike yikes

[pulsar dune]

viper strike of mamba is just dual strike, but faster attack speed

[sleek barn]

ah number big

[pulsar dune]

it's literally strictly better

for some reason

[tranquil sedge]

number big ye but its also an actually playable skill so

[hoary scarab]

surely viper strike gets gutted

[tranquil sedge]

win win

[sleek barn]

yknow my brain has always detached mamba from viper strike

[hoary scarab]

buff normal viper strike

[tranquil sedge]

tbh theres quite a few gems like that that make no fuckin sense

[pliant hamlet]

500b dps would require a channeled skill then

[hoary scarab]

gimme dual wield normal viper strike

[tranquil sedge]

pconc stands out to me as one of them

[pliant hamlet]

Maybe bflurry could do it?

[golden phoenix]

Good morning exiles

[pliant hamlet]

o/

[hoary scarab]

morning

[tranquil sedge]

like literally nobody plays that as soon as u get pconc of bouncing

coz they gutted the base skill with the flask charge bs

[pliant hamlet]

What is the highest DE channel skill? Does anything beat bflurry?

[hoary scarab]

bflurry kinda underrated for poisons tbh

[sleek barn]

morning

[tranquil sedge]

morn

[pulsar dune]

viper strike has the same mechanics as mamba, it just also has 30% less AS and 20% less damage while dual wielding

[karmic gust]

does anything beat storm burst?

[pulsar dune]

mamba doesn't

[rich widget]

yo is there anyway to scale thts not getting mroe minion life?

[sleek barn]

charged dash has insane DE trust

[pliant hamlet]

can you scale spell damage that high? I assumed you couldn't

[sleek barn]

minion damage + dot

[pliant hamlet]

What are you using to scale it so high?

[karmic gust]

no because all busted scaling is attacks atm :d

[pliant hamlet]

They can't abuse the fire res chest can you?

[pulsar dune]

storm burst is only technically the highest DE skill since it scales DE unboundedly with duration

[karmic gust]

but its the strongest channeled skill regardless

[sleek barn]

https://pobb.in/MmMfm8pGNQ8n
generally it is just scaling minion life though

[pulsar dune]

you are right that it'll have to be bflurry

[golden phoenix]

I don't know what we're talking about but Divine Ire is strong too right?

[tranquil sedge]

bflurry over incinerate of venting?

[hard cliff]

Can someone tell me why this is a bad idea. I think I asked before but I forgot the answer sorry.

Blade volley four link for regular mobs

blade blast to kill stronger stuff left behind and bosses

[hoary scarab]

been so long since i used normal viper strike ngl

[pliant hamlet]

What skill in poe1 could theoretically hit 500b dps with anything in-game

[sleek barn]

thats it im removing Divine Ire

[tranquil sedge]

only asking coz if connor played it its strong so wondering where that stands

[sleek barn]

also removing Frozen Legion

[pliant hamlet]

I feel like it has to abuse the fire res chest lol

[pulsar dune]

incinerate of venting has the same issue in that you can't really get it to 500b, but it is the technically the best spell

[golden phoenix]

[karmic gust]

yes but it requires hyperbolic time chamber gem, sadly not in game yet

[tranquil sedge]

bob the animate guardian

[pulsar dune]

it's going to chieftain foulborn choir manastorm realistically

[sleek barn]

[tranquil sedge]

and he was 'only' 150b dps or something right

[pliant hamlet]

how are you scaling him to 250 aps?

[pulsar dune]

oh IG if targets get a bunch of toughness, you don't have to worry as much about hit cap

[tranquil sedge]

paying off a GGG employee to make codebase changes

duh

[pliant hamlet]

lmao

ez

[sleek barn]

its theoretical numbers

[tranquil sedge]

-# or pob config if that fails

[sleek barn]

Bazuka go crazy

[hard cliff]

does anime guardian need accuracy?

[sleek barn]

ok arc raiders time

[pulsar dune]

no

[pliant hamlet]

They took out minion acc

[hoary scarab]

no minion needs accuracy

[sleek barn]

goodbye

[pliant hamlet]

baibai

[tranquil sedge]

minion accuracy stuff was removed this league or last league whatever

[hoary scarab]

fire

[pliant hamlet]

shit we're on fire

[tranquil sedge]

piragon stop setting people on fire

[pliant hamlet]

PANIC

[split maple]

So target has to be soul eater caped toughness full deli invigo boss

[sleek barn]

someone call an ambulance

[karmic gust]

lvl 1 zombies with half a brain are more accurate than marauders rip

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-its-fine-everything-is-fine-burning-house-happy-dog-gif-21646319

[pliant hamlet]

lmao

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-unga-bunga-loading-uga-gif-23786525

[hard cliff]

Someone tell me this sucks

[tranquil sedge]

you suck

[karmic gust]

you mean bladefall?

[pliant hamlet]

I mean, you're just describing bfbb

[hoary scarab]

so real

[hard cliff]

Sure why not

[pliant hamlet]

You want some sorta explody in your build

[karmic gust]

also it sucks because 2 button build

[pliant hamlet]

but that's bfbb lol

[karmic gust]

[hard cliff]

I'm fine with that if it brings the damage

[pliant hamlet]

It's not the best build but it's fine?

tried n true

[tranquil sedge]

did u see that post that was shared here earlier about infinite bf of trarthus by making it have no continuous cost and only upfront life cost lol

[pliant hamlet]

iirc they nerfed the aoe so boss dps went down by like 30%

[karmic gust]

tried n nered 500 times n true

but yea its pertty normal build

[pliant hamlet]

So, behemoth caster

[hard cliff]

Would this be good on scav low life petrified blood shavronnes with doomflech passive going crit?

[tight plinth]

thats a lot of words

[pliant hamlet]

doesn't doomfletch say weapon damage?

[hard cliff]

pain Attunement

[hard cliff]

it's so over

[hoary scarab]

scav doomfletch doesnt

[hard cliff]

we are back

[pliant hamlet]

Gain 20% of Weapon Physical Damage as Extra Damage of each Element [1]

[hoary scarab]

no nvm itdoes

mb

[hard cliff]

it's so over

[pliant hamlet]

i..don't know what that means actually

[karmic gust]

thats just getting few flat - mana cost for the skill no? or in what way is that exciting

[tight plinth]

pepelaughpoint

[hoary scarab]

thats what you get for stting people on fire

[pliant hamlet]

As a local mod it's extra damage to the bow

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qxZEI9hW7g

[pliant hamlet]

wtf does it mean when it's not local?

[molten crane]

anyone know why i cant import my old phrecia character in POB? iv set version to 3.25 alternate but it just crashes

[tranquil sedge]

he just nullifies the mana cost lol

[hoary scarab]

extra dmg to something

[hexed mountain]

did bladefall last phrecia , might do it again if i get woke cascade and unleash gear

[pliant hamlet]

@karmic gust what does "extra damage" mean when it's not local?

[hoary scarab]

it means extra dmg

[pliant hamlet]

so..does it work on phys spells? ele spells?

[tight plinth]

expatriate damage

[hoary scarab]

weapon

[hazy kiln]

it works on weapon damage, as it says

[pliant hamlet]

icic

[tight plinth]

viper

[hoary scarab]

yeah but things dont always do what they say, dont they viper

[golden phoenix]

Hi viper

[karmic gust]

aah, it adding only the initial life cost is interesting

[pliant hamlet]

Couldn't wrap my head around that wording. It's [gain 20% of Weapon Physical damage] as extra damage. But spells don't have [weapon physical damage] to add in?

[karmic gust]

sadly both the life cost scaling sources are garbage

[tranquil sedge]

i can't tell if thats a bug or intended

[karmic gust]

but otherwise sounds cute

[pliant hamlet]

Does it work with battlemage?

[hoary scarab]

probably not

i dont think doomfletch works with battlemage

[whole bluff]

man, I'm an idiot

[pliant hamlet]

I can't say I've ever tested it lol

[karmic gust]

it literally says weapon physical damage what else could it mean

other than weapon physical damage

[hazy kiln]

battlemage works with the damage numbers written on the weapon

[pliant hamlet]

Makes sense

[hazy kiln]

anything that doesn't change those doesn't work with battlemage

so it's basically only local damage mods that do affect it

[pliant hamlet]

I'm reading it as Gain [20% of weapon phys damage] as [extra damage of each element]

[hard cliff]

it's cardinal season where I live

lovely birds

[tight plinth]

viper run

[hoary scarab]

viper fly

you fool

[pliant hamlet]

I assumed it was a local mod on doomfletch

[tight plinth]

oh i read that as hunting season

[pliant hamlet]

and the ascendency would be fundamentally different

[hazy kiln]

it is not

[pliant hamlet]

I see

[hard cliff]

I really need to go fishing

[tranquil sedge]

whats the context for this discussion

where did u read the mod line

[hazy kiln]

it's exactly the same as the ascendancy stat

[hoary scarab]

scav

[tranquil sedge]

ty

[pliant hamlet]

Gotcha, I was wrong 😄

[hazy kiln]

it's just the doomfletch one can in practice only apply to doomfletch for obvious reasons 😅

[pliant hamlet]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Doomfletch_(ascendancy_passive_skill)

[potent bramble]

I'm now envisioning a whole bunch of people in full camo - like ULTRA intense hunters - going after these little 3 ounce birds

[tight plinth]

[karmic gust]

doomfletch could use some buffs ngl (or well maybe bloodthirst could use some buffs that gem was basically never good)

[tranquil sedge]

is the damage gained from that is part of ur 'base' damage before multipliers and stuff?

[hoary scarab]

pretty sure gain is just convert without taking from the base

[pliant hamlet]

Gain 20% of Weapon Physical Damage as Extra Damage of each Element: 20% of Weapon Physical Damage is gained as each of Fire, Cold, and Lightning Damage. Scaling Physical Damage scales this stat efficiently.
It's under the mechanics

I've been playing too many arpgs lately lol every game words everything differently

[karmic gust]

punished for not playing poe

[tranquil sedge]

no i mean like if ur weapon does 100 phys dps, does that make it like ur effectively using a 160 dps weapon instead

[golden phoenix]

I personally quite like the way we word things. It makes sense to me. I'm sure my 5k hours in PoE1 have nothing to do with that.

[hoary scarab]

yes

[eternal folio]

can someone give me a goal for phrecia keepers was my first league and i think i learned enough now i need a goal to stick to

[tranquil sedge]

thanks

[tranquil sedge]

how far did you progress in keepers?

[karmic gust]

poe def has best tooltips out of every game i played

[proud gorge]

hmm

[tranquil sedge]

have you done all the challenges for the league?

[pliant hamlet]

It makes perfect sense!
Until I take a break and finish a backlog of ARPGs
Now I don't even know how doomfletch works 😄

[tranquil sedge]

how far did your build go?

[karmic gust]

i do not play that many games but most games dont bother actuallly making stuff consistent at all

[proud gorge]

this Ele Hit Slayer build guide recommends Multistrike, which you would think would make sense, since it's a strike skill

[karmic gust]

or even explaining anything in any kind of detial really :d

[hoary scarab]

and then we get to poe2 where some wording doesnt do what its says atall grrr

[proud gorge]

but turns out if you have Elemental Hit linked with Multistrike, all three repeats will pick the same element

[pliant hamlet]

Although I still say my reading of it is an easy misinterpretation. not something that needs fixing but yeah 😄

[proud gorge]

thus negating the Elemental Equilibrium effect

[karmic gust]

EE is still net gain

and EE is pretty weak in general

so you generally dont give a shit

[proud gorge]

so the question, I guess, is does Multistrike provide enough of a benefit over the next best support to be worth losing EE on the two stronger repeats

[hazy kiln]

this always tilts the hell out of me when I play most other games ._.

[karmic gust]

as its not that easy to actually gain triple exposure so having triple exposure 1/3 of the time i sfine

[hazy kiln]

not that I have strong opinions about this or anything

[eternal folio]

i made roughly 6 characters, guardian shrine stacker was my favorite, all map slots, was doing t16.5 stacked deck farm for a bit with my friend, if i made a build for phrecia should i just do a purely bossing build

[hazy kiln]

-# I have such strong opinions

[proud gorge]

yeah but you could have the exposure guarenteed on every hit without multistrike

[karmic gust]

yes you never drop multistrike

[golden phoenix]

But they're correct opinions so it's fine

[karmic gust]

best dps support gem, and its basically inspiration at same time

[hoary scarab]

isnt multistrike like always a good gem

[pliant hamlet]

it's really hard to ever replace multistrike

[tranquil sedge]

going for a dedicated bosser - main issue with that is profiting and pushing build while bossing, depends if you think you'd be able to do that

otherwise just push one build further than you took your 6 builds i suppose, try something you can only do with phrecia ascendencies and see how far you can take it

idols will absolutely push the difficulty ceiling up a lot

you will have room to push builds

[karmic gust]

now check in pob how much damage that exposure gives you, divide it by 3, then check whats the difference in your mana costs and damage with multistrrike and next best support gem

and you have your answer

[tranquil sedge]

i offer one cup of coffee for you to change your opinion

[karmic gust]

(tldr: multistrike wins)

[proud gorge]

that's what I'm doing right now yeah

[rich widget]

how would DD of chain work with

[tranquil sedge]

a lot of bossers early on tend to sell carries to other people to help make early money, and several bosses in this game have very high variance in their loot, requiring upfromt investment of entry frags

so it just depends tbh

i think you should not make a bosser

[hazy kiln]

unfortunately a lot of PoE2 wording has had to be delegated to other people/not sufficiently reviewed for the sake of time

because realistically myself and Mark1 are the only people who are anal enough to really get the wording spot on (and honestly I'm not perfect), but that's a bit of a bottleneck

I want to try and go through the wording of all the passives/ascendancies/support gems/uniques at some point before release, I dunno whether I'll have the time though 🙁

[tranquil sedge]

i think you should try to do strats only idols can let you do and have fun before they go

[karmic gust]

im glad that ppl are actually finally abusing penance mark properly tho, now someone just needs good enough PC to break KB and KBOC with it :d

my pc is not good enough and my game freezes

so rip

[golden phoenix]

Mark1's brain fascinates me. Absolute legend.

[hoary scarab]

uniques are orange btw ❤️

[tight plinth]

damnit, i cant take fulcrum and doomfletch on scav 😭

[hazy kiln]

hiss

[golden phoenix]

[hoary scarab]

[tranquil sedge]

i did have one question about poe2 wording in that regard
how do you decide what should be underlined as tooltip and what not

like honestly sometimes it looks like there's too much underlined (was there any consideration as to only showing them when pressing alt or something?)

and also if you have the same word multiple times in a thing (e.g. 'attack') why do you underline/tooltip all the instances

[pliant hamlet]

Uniques? You mean Legendaries?

[potent bramble]

What color are they, if they aren't orange??

[hoary scarab]

viper says they are brown

[hazy kiln]

brown!

[potent bramble]

. . . no

[golden phoenix]

I mean brown and orange are the same colour

[hazy kiln]

this is a whole debate 🤣

[split maple]

Rust can be a color

[eternal folio]

burnt orange

[tranquil sedge]

they're rusty bronze

[pliant hamlet]

wait, are we talking about the brown bar or the orange name?

[hazy kiln]

copper 😄

[hoary scarab]

brown is just orange with context

[stuck phoenix]

🟫 🟧

[hazy kiln]

exactly 😛

[hexed mountain]

brown is shitty orange

[stuck phoenix]

Uniques are brown

[hexed mountain]

i'll see myself out

[hoary scarab]

oh god what did i start

[hoary scarab]

(its orange btw)

[golden phoenix]

A war

[hazy kiln]

you knew what you were doing

[golden phoenix]

It's definitely brown

[pliant hamlet]

that is definitely orange

[hoary scarab]

[pliant hamlet]

[tight plinth]

[split maple]

Brown is the only color that starts with letter S

[stuck phoenix]

[hoary scarab]

okok... but he also called white items grey

[stuck phoenix]

No, that's ⬛

[split maple]

Slate isn't a color

[pliant hamlet]

So how tf do you make early currency now n days? I haven't played trade in like 3 years now

[karmic gust]

white items are white and unique items are brown

[split maple]

It's a whatever is Word for tint in english

[karmic gust]

[hoary scarab]

alt spam flasks or something

[tight plinth]

anyone have a gambler pob i can take inspiration from?

[pliant hamlet]

That sounds very unfun lol

[karmic gust]

harbi beyond

[pliant hamlet]

There's gotta be a profitable day 1 mechanic

[hoary scarab]

chaos recipe

[pliant hamlet]

Do day 1 t16 maps still go for 40c+?

[hexed mountain]

run lab and sell trans gem

[karmic gust]

i did that its solid

[hoary scarab]

play gaem