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[stoic horizon]

[proud gorge]

Starforge The Unseen Hue Brittle CoC Entropic Devastation Cyclone Blade Blast of Unloading Crown of Eyes?

or, uh

what's the hardest hitting physical spell

it's Explosive Trap of Magnitude, but I mean other than that

since you can't CoC Explosive Trap

[pulsar dune]

Unearth with the tech

Oh CoC, nvm on unearth

Reap

[hard cliff]

i weld plastic caps on the bottles so you l know someone didn't pee in it before you bought it

[proud gorge]

hmm, CoC Reap Entropic Devastation to inflict a big impale

and then single Woespike to burn it with Cyclone

[hard cliff]

earthquake of promince self cast gonna be way better for impale

[proud gorge]

yeah but I'm trying to figure out a stupid CoC Cyclone build for single Woespike lmao

where you use the CoC to inflict the impale

and then cyclone to consume it

single button Woespike

[pulsar dune]

Oh, what about Bladefall of impaling

It has a ton of impale effect

But pretty mid base damage IIRC

[proud gorge]

not wrong yeah

the goal is to get the largest possible impale for Woespike, but I have no idea what CoC-able spell gives the largest impales

but to be fair if you're using Bladefall of Impaling then is there even a point to Woespike?

you're inflicting Impales fast enough that even without Woespike it should work

then again, it's still a lot of extra damage

[pulsar dune]

Hm, penance brand

I think you can trigger brands

Wait it has convert nvm

Yea looking at phys spells, it's blade blast of dagger detonation, reap, Bladefall of impaling,maybe EK

[modern zinc]

I have 150% totem placement speed and it still doesn't feel enough

[pulsar dune]

There's brand surge and shattershield as well, but those seem a bit questionable

[hard cliff]

behemoth is looking unplayable

[pulsar dune]

The setup I was planning on is slightly better

Since I get a curse now

And you can melee totem behemoth now

[hard cliff]

maybe you just don't like totems

[hard cliff]

that sounds awful lol

and i like totems

[modern zinc]

I love totems

best build i've ever had

I'm actually having fun now

[gentle ice]

behemoth looks way more playable than in 3.26 😅 because now you can use spells

[vagrant swan]

no warcries is pretty bleh

[golden moat]

is mathil doing phrecia anyone know

[vagrant swan]

sucks of rage vortex

[golden moat]

mathil will surely cook something nuts

[stoic horizon]

you can still do ambush ig

[bright viper]

How much placement speed does long neck give totems

Is it 300

[proud gorge]

okay so Bladefall of Impaling at 21 is 1000 max damage with 150% impale effect, so an effective impale strength of 250, though it gets worse the more impale effect you have elsewhere (and you should, it's an impale build).

Reap is 1599 base, but deals 20% more damage per Blood charge, up to 5, so at 0 charges it's an impale strength of 160, but at 5 charges it's 320.

Blade Blast of Dagger Detonation deals 515 base, but adds 700% of the damage of your equipped dagger. This build locks you to daggers, but with a unique dagger having around 255 average damage, that's 1787 extra, for a total 2302, or an impale strength of 230, though this does go up with a stronger dagger.

Blade Blast of Unloading also exists, dealing 1846 base, with up to 50% more damage with 10 blade vortex blades, making that 2769, so an impale strength of 277, but that's a really annoying one to reasonably use.

EK isn't even really in the running, very low damage.

[golden moat]

get down

[vagrant swan]

gotta get accuracy for ambush crit

without precision lol

[hard cliff]

So what attack skill would you use on totems and how would you build rage?

[vagrant swan]

forces hits can't be evaded weapon I guess

[proud gorge]

So, unboosted, with nothing else going into it, Bladefall of Impaling is good early, Blade Blast of Dagger Detonation is good with a very very strong dagger but daggerlocks you, and Reap does easily the most at 5 blood charges, but requires you to reach and maintain 5 blood charges on a CoC build, which is more an issue of the life cost

[undone gazelle]

eva stack zhp kf bosser (meme)
https://pobb.in/1zc-2yHnKnkT

[tranquil sedge]

did u mean zhp

[pulsar dune]

Vaal reap would get you even higher on blood charges and cost

[tranquil sedge]

bossers can't be zdps xd

[undone gazelle]

lol yeah

[proud gorge]

since triggering Reap like 7 times a second with 5 blood charges costs you 644 life per second

base

assuming you had no links on it

and assuming you do have links on it, way higher than that

probably in the realm of thousands of life per second

Reap would work well, if it weren't for the life cost, since outside of bossing you don't need it fully ramped for the omega-impales, but in a boss fight it quickly fully ramps for the giant-size impales

[pulsar dune]

Yea, coc reap is usually something eb inquis do

So life cost is a non-issue

[worldly plover]

i want buy Doryani machi portal! pls hepl me

[proud gorge]

honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize that realistically this build is a spellcaster build

not an attack build

it would be wildly incorrect for Behemoth lmao

since the goal is to ramp the shit out of your spell damage then use Cyclone to consume it, but you very much don't need cyclone damage for that

but yeah, this is probably an Inquis build

go CoC Reap, equip some nice phys weapon and go Battlemage probably

get big More Damage reaps on bosses, consume the impale with cyclone

[pulsar dune]

Behemoth still has spell skills deal no damage I assume

[proud gorge]

originally I envisioned this as a meme Starforge build, but this probably isn't a good starforge build tbh

[sleek barn]

wtf

blind prophet got touched

[proud gorge]

honestly the biggest issue with this build is that it wants to be Impale and also Crit and also Spell damage

and those are all in wildly different parts of the tree

the crit and spell damage are easy enough to access

[sleek barn]

also puppeteer does look very nice now

[proud gorge]

but the Impale stuff is a lot harder

[sleek barn]

@pulsar dune were you going puppeteer?

[pulsar dune]

It was one of my ideas, but I think I'll just go servant of arakaali

Or well, I'll POB both

Later

[proud gorge]

yeah, looks like that's unchanged

alas, no Spell Impale Behemoth

okay hmm, so Entropic Devastation gives you 100% impale chance automatically, so you don't need to get impale chance on tree

[golden moat]

pally login https://pobb.in/TL9SDy6IeyfS

[proud gorge]

You'd probably like "Impales last 1 additional hit", but that's actually probably not too important if you're straight CoCing it anyways

since with CoC Reap plus Woespike you're probably inflicting plenty of impales

[pulsar dune]

You can get it on pride watchers eye if you really really wanted it

[proud gorge]

so the only other stuff that really matters is Impale Effect

maybe some Impale masteries?

I haven't actually played much impale, I'm not sure which Impale masteries are actually good

I would think Ignore PDR would be good?

the rest probably aren't too important

[pulsar dune]

Ignore PDR will be a bit difficult to get for a top side impale setup, yea

But impale gets pretty big phys hits, so it shouldn't be too bad

[worldly plover]

i want buy Doryani machi portal! pls hepl me

[fierce rock]

Is mana stack whisperer kboc an ok starter?

[gentle finch]

should be fine day 1 might be a little slow

but otherwise it was fine last time

[hard cliff]

I kind of want to cook a blade blast blade detonation build but I don't even know where you would start. Honestly without abusing trigger Bots and other exploits I'm not even sure if it's worth playing.

[fierce rock]

I'll start it then, I'm not the fastest either so it won't hold me back lol

[proud gorge]

clearly the solution is to play the stupid-ass CoC Cyclone Impale build we've been cooking

but with Blade Blade of Blade Detonation

[crude moat]

So many blades...

[golden moat]

CDR isnt a brick mod and there is reduced crit mod too

[sleek barn]

with the new 30% increased maximum amount of zombies on puppeteer, can you go 2x montregul's grasp?

[golden moat]

i would not play CoC

[pulsar dune]

Honestly the coc impale setup wkz is talking about won't care too much about cdr

[proud gorge]

yeah, hitting the perfect CRD breakpoints is very much not the goal lmao

[crude moat]

Who knows, you might have 100% - 30% reduced
Or 30% increased of 0%

[proud gorge]

the Cyclone is more there to trigger impales as fast as possible than to actually trigger the linked spell as often as possible

in fact, now that I think about it

wouldn't some sort of reduced CDR setup theoretically work?

or uh

okay so you'd want at least 5 attacks between impales, optimally, if trying to stretch each impale out

in practice you wouldn't care too much about optimizing this

since extra triggers is just more damage anyways

[sleek barn]

they sound like the same line, just increased and reduced, which would make it additive but yeah idk

[proud gorge]

but you barely need to care about CDR at all, and if there's something that lowers cooldown recovery rate on this CoC build in exchange for a big boost in damage, that might actually be worth it

in this case

[hard cliff]

I hate cyclone sorry

[hexed mountain]

null's inclination wildspeaker is pretty lit with the buff too , 3% minion damage per 5 dex that's 4.5% global damage per 5 dex and the node gives 100 flat dex

[golden moat]

sighclone

[proud gorge]

though, again, in practice more triggers of the CoC spell is probably better in most cases anyways

[pulsar dune]

Hm, kitavas thirst actually gives you the same 4l you'd get in coc

[hexed mountain]

that's 1350% increased global damage with 1500 dex

[proud gorge]

lmao Foulborn Kitava's Thirst Reap

no wait

how would that work actually

like you'd need to trigger Kitava's Thirst somehow

and then some spells come out of the Kitava's Thirst?

[pulsar dune]

Yea, getting cyclone cost to 200 would be rough

[proud gorge]

in practice the Kitava's tech would probably be CoC Reap, then use Reap to trigger Foulborn Kitava's Thirst to trigger some secondary spell

though without Triggerbots I'm not entirely sure whatever spell is in your helmet would be worth it

especially since Reap's life cost scales with blood charges, so either you set up Reap to have at least 200 life cost with no blood charges, doubling it to 400 with max blood charges, or you set it up so Reap only crosses 200 with blood charges, in which case your helmet doesn't actually function in most gameplay

[proud gorge]

technically this build works with literally any fast-hitting attack skill that can link to CoC

and also consume Impale charges well

Cyclone is just, you know, cyclone

but yeah I honestly don't recommend this build, it's very much in the "does this even function at all/is it even good" stage

[gentle ice]

kinda off-topic but terraria update is live for peoples who are looking for something to do while waiting 😁

[stoic horizon]

yeah hype

[proud gorge]

lmao, I just had the dumbest idea. Because we were wrong, 5 blood charge reap is not, in fact, the strongest physical spell

it's Blood Sacrament

only problem is that build would suck complete ass lmao

[stoic horizon]

poison relic of the pact wildspeaker

[brazen vector]

Blood sacrament is cool

[proud gorge]

use some wand skill to trigger CoC Blood Sacrament to drop a massive impale then consume it with more wand attacks

[pulsar dune]

Blood sacrament is a channel :/

[proud gorge]

oh, good point

disappointing

but yeah, looks like CoC Reap Impale is real, it's just that they're running Will of Uul-Netol instead of Woespike

which honestly makes sense, the Woespike was always the weirdest part of this idea

[pulsar dune]

Ye, I'd want a slower trigger

[proud gorge]

since if you're straight CoCing it anyways, you don't really need Woespike for anything

[pulsar dune]

But slow triggers aren't really a thing

[proud gorge]

I mean, CWC exists

but you want to build crit for Entropic Devastation anyways

so there's very little reason not to go CoC at that point

[pulsar dune]

I guess if you go unarmed you could do seven teachings

And get a 6l reap to impale with

[proud gorge]

you'd definitely need a super well-rolled Seven Teachings though

but yeah, not the worst concept, this build barely uses its weapon at this point anyways

[hexed mountain]

guys... hear me out... 100% more damage abberath's fury level 20 with the buff... and jiquani

[proud gorge]

side note, the CoC Reap builds actually seem to be going Assassin

rather than Inquis

[hexed mountain]

no cast speed issue

[proud gorge]

which I can see

CI with Whispers of Infinity lmao

or just life-based

which is probably honestly, strictly speaking, worse

also there do exist Blade Blade of Unloading variants

using a Bow skill of all things

[hard cliff]

so true king

[proud gorge]

hmm, except I guess the CoC isn't in the Blade Blast of Unloading segment, they're just using MFA Rain of Arrows of Saturation CoC Blade Vortex to upkeep BV stacks for Blade Blast of Unloading

[hexed mountain]

like buffed devout of abberath is 300 -450 flat fire damage aoe per step as base damage

isnt that legit hilariously strong leaguestart

[proud gorge]

well yeah

the problem with Abberath's Hooves has never been that it's bad early, it's that they scale horribly

[hexed mountain]

yeah but with double damage maybe you can scale them you can swap to architect worst case scenario

[proud gorge]

due to not scaling at all with cast speed, having a super low DE, not scaling with levels, and being stuck in a 4-link

I'm probably still playing it

Abberath's Hooves is and remains my favorite unique in the game

so an opportunity to potentially play Abberath's Fury at least to maps is too good to pass up

[pseudo axle]

I do like that they made so many of these ascendencies just have a free campaign once they kill first izaro

[proud gorge]

Behemoth

[ocean field]

fellas

how to craft -120% lightning resistance rings

[proud gorge]

uh, mist

[pulsar dune]

Oh izaro is going to be scary huh

[pseudo axle]

do you have many divines to spend

[pseudo axle]

...oh.

oh

[normal hedge]

depends what else do you want on them

[pseudo axle]

this just completely killed my enthusiasm for the event

I do not want to deal with enraged izaro

[pulsar dune]

Tree rares will carry

[sleek barn]

question does increased cast speed affect the rate at which cremation of exhuming spews projectiles

[simple stag]

is that it? just more dmg at low life?

[sleek barn]

nvm

wiki answered

fuck

[pulsar dune]

Enrage is also cast and attack speed afaik

[gentle ice]

more speed too pretty sure 🤔

[simple stag]

oh dearest better prepare ur buttholes for 3rd room izaro

[split pagoda]

its dmg, speed and less dmg taken I believe

around 30% of each?

[ocean field]

uh where is it in craft of exile

[split pagoda]

and low life is 50% or lower

[simple stag]

shouldn't be that bad just gotta tank up a bit more before trial

[pseudo axle]

reflecting mist is a currency item that forces a reflecting mist event on any ring you target

you ideally want to use reflecting mist with hinekora's lock

to ensure good outcome

[split pagoda]

itll be fine but random mods are probably also in lab?

[hexed mountain]

level 34 tree absolutely no item equiped , nothing checked and no ele overload taken (unrealistic at 5% crit imo) no skill gem equiped abberath ascendancy deals 1580 damage per step with the buff

[pseudo axle]

its can be a several hundred divine prospect to craft with reflecting mist

[split pagoda]

so ya itll be quite rippy

[ocean field]

yeah but where is it in craft of exile I don't see the option

[ocean field]

guess I will just buy the ring

cause it just 20div

[proud gorge]

Here's the actual answer:

1. Get a Helical ring with at least ilvl 84
2. Roll T1 lightning res, with a max roll. That's 48%, increased to 72% by the Helical.
3. 20% catalyst quality, which is additive with the Helical effect, increasing it to 81% lightning res.
4. Use a Reflecting Mist. These roll somewhere between 1.5x and 2.1x magnitude, multiplicative, and potentially reverse the magnitude. If you roll it max (1/24 chance) and also get it to reverse (1/2, to total 1/48 chance), then you have a -170% lightning res ring.

it does have to be a max roll Mist to hit 170

[ocean field]

yeah but where is the option for this in craft of exile

[pulsar dune]

You always get one half with -res and the other with +res

I don't think coe has mists

[ocean field]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-christopher-nolan-bruce-wayne-batman-where-are-they-gif-5103771

[pseudo axle]

no one here has the website open ffs

[proud gorge]

oh good point yeah, so just 1/24

[coral summit]

does this mod still actually exist anywhere in delve

for body armour

cuz i have no clue where that's supposed to come from

[pseudo axle]

reflecting mists are very much like, a GG gamba

for good rings

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Craft of Exile doesn't seem to have mist

[pseudo axle]

unless hinekoras

[proud gorge]

side note, all those rolls to have to be exactly max

[ocean field]

DAMMMMM

[proud gorge]

needs to be T1 max roll Lightning res

and then also hit the 1/24 for max roll mist

to hit -170

[ocean field]

but this is lowkey out of my paygrade

[proud gorge]

that's not even max rolled lmao

-153 smh

[crude moat]

Tbf is quite cheap to get a - 140% lightning res ring

[ocean field]

yeah but that is the lowest one in the market rn

[proud gorge]

yeah, real 170s are mirrors in price, because they can't be mirrored

so if you craft one, you get one

[ocean field]

damm I can't even imagine the gamba here

[proud gorge]

I don't think you'll likely see one on the open market lmao

[crude moat]

I love crafting rings, but I hate mist cuz that's just a blind gamba or a lock burner

[ocean field]

Insider trading huh

[proud gorge]

they're just exclusively made to order

[crude moat]

Not really

[ocean field]

tbh I think playing the market is better than any league mechanic

[proud gorge]

or just crafted personally

which is probably more likely

[crude moat]

People do craft them to post them, but hitting exactly - 170% is not something you can force

[proud gorge]

yeah

[crude moat]

So it's just weird for one to show up

[ocean field]

should I lowkey just save up some divines and then throw it in the market next league?

[proud gorge]

I just mean that someone isn't likely to craft a -170 and then have it just sit on the open market

[ocean field]

what is something like this even worth

[proud gorge]

either they already have a buyer, or it gets snapped up immediately

[crude moat]

And I think they would

I would

[ocean field]

3 mirrors?

[crude moat]

I craft a lot of rings

[proud gorge]

fair

[ocean field]

dam

[proud gorge]

well, consider that that one you saw is a "failed" one, so at least 24x that probably

[ocean field]

holy sheet. My whole build is sub 500 div

[crude moat]

The key is not to aim for the max roll, if it happena you hit a jackpot, meanwhile you keep making profit with the others non-maxed

[proud gorge]

though in practice the actual answer is whatever someone's willing to pay

yeah

[ocean field]

though why would you want such a ring

[proud gorge]

you definitely make profit off the "failed" rolls

[cerulean breach]

Why do so many people talk about wildspeaker flicker? Wildspeaker doesn't even seem that good to me plus every zone can roll charge stealing so you'll brick a map every couple maps.

[ocean field]

which content are you aiming to clear

??

void maps?

[pulsar dune]

Where else would you put flicker?

[crude moat]

I think even calling them "failed" would be wrong

[proud gorge]

honestly there's very little a -170 will get you that a "failed" -150 won't

it's mostly just pure optimization, people aiming for a "perfect" build

[ocean field]

yeah so why bother

[ocean field]

ah I see

tbh I get

it

[proud gorge]

yeah, that's why I'm putting it in quotation marks

[cerulean breach]

Idk, scav? But flicker seems dead anyway

[ocean field]

I have a little ocd for optim as well

[proud gorge]

since honestly any halfway decent result will 100% sell

[split maple]

Wildspeaker has free chest slot

[pulsar dune]

Apparently charge stealing will be added on the brick mod list

So does scav

[split maple]

Which is a rare privilege for flicker

[cerulean breach]

So does scav

[split maple]

Wait scav has faruls

I need to read it for once lol

[pulsar dune]

Scav has oro

[proud gorge]

also if your goal is to hit the highest possible PoB damage number

[cerulean breach]

Scav has something even better

[proud gorge]

the 170 gets you that number

[ocean field]

this is what I like about harvest easy liquidation no hassle or pain

[cerulean breach]

Instead the pain is 5x per map

[pulsar dune]

Ah, but +1 charge of wildspeaker

[proud gorge]

I should run some Harvests tbh, I ran a couple doing the "T4 beasts" challenge, and it's very good consistent money

[ocean field]

??

very ez wdym

[cerulean breach]

Harvest feels so ass waiting for the mobs to spawn

Can't spawn multiple fields at once

[proud gorge]

I'm sure Crop Rotation probably can hit super hard very rarely, but personally Cornucopia seems very nice to me

[pulsar dune]

And reservation, and tailwind, and technically the dexstack node, tho it's a bit questionable

[proud gorge]

good consistent profit

[ocean field]

just hit last one for 12k blue and 12k yellow

but yes corn is better

initially

[proud gorge]

well, it's more consistent

which I like

[meager pagoda]

wtf

[ocean field]

after you hit like 30 div

[proud gorge]

I just don't like Crop Rotation gambling

[cerulean breach]

It's not on there

[meager pagoda]

is this standard prices?

[cerulean breach]

And it's all you need to know

[ocean field]

yes

[cerulean breach]

So not sure where you're getting that

[proud gorge]

it's very late league, so everything is approaching standard prices yeah

[meager pagoda]

oh i almost got a heart attack, i sold mine for 3.5k earlier today.

[proud gorge]

so Beasts and Harvest juice are way up

[ocean field]

yeah me neither but killing the unique is lowkey pain in the ass

[proud gorge]

since those are the things that have a lot of value in standard

[crude moat]

I remember when vultures hit 50d each a couple weeks before league ends

[proud gorge]

yeah, they're not the fastest, but then my build isn't the fastest, so I'm happy enough running them

[crude moat]

now beast memories are dead, and vultures are like 2d top

[ocean field]

I made 10 divs in that map but spent 5 div 3.5 for imbuned alone so huge gamba

corn is much safer

on budget

[proud gorge]

but yeah, always funny to see the shifts in strat value over the course of a league

Essences early, Harvest late

[ocean field]

yep

I personally do blight

then switch to harvest

[crude moat]

I used to only farm beast memories, gathered random people who wanted free currency on day 2 - 3 and told them to give me the copies of X beasts. We all made decent bank in a couple hours

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I do wish they'd make the T4 beasts phase transition faster

[crude moat]

any day 1 build was able to farm t1 white beast memories, was sooo profitable

[pulsar dune]

Apparently carn talked to GGG

[proud gorge]

always very silly to see them hit their phase transition breakpoint then spend ages doing moves

like room 2 Izaro but way worse smh

[sleek barn]

https://pobb.in/IAon4gSunqyE i am not cooking with this one

i don't think puppeteer can go the explodey route

or maybe i just don't do trigger lmao

[hexed mountain]

its me or does polytheist have way too much QoL now? i'm looking at it playing abberath's fury early league then probably transition into something else but we really getting unaffected by shock/ignite/corrupting blood burning/chilled/shock ground perma min charges 10% reduced damage taken

[proud gorge]

where's the second Montregul

[hexed mountain]

like there's nothing left to fix on the build

[sleek barn]

not worth it

i have a zombie limit of 2

with a second montregul

and detonate dead of chain reaction wants more

[proud gorge]

I mean you're blowing up your zombies anyways aren't you

I guess with Chain Reaction yeah

[sleek barn]

im delaying detonate dead with a higher level CWDT

[proud gorge]

can you blow up Falling zombies actually

[sleek barn]

you can

[proud gorge]

why not do that then

[sleek barn]

idk what the timing is

its very specific

its not reliable

[proud gorge]

since falling zombies have a natural limit of, like, 200

fair

just gotta get it to trigger super frequently

[sleek barn]

yeah but then it gets shit on in terms of flat damage

atp i go CoC

hold on you're cooking

time to go CoC

[proud gorge]

lmao

I was going to suggest CWS

but I guess CoC is probably more consistent on bosses and such

[sleek barn]

i haven't tried CWS yet

[proud gorge]

CWS gets super fast triggers, but only when you're entirely surrounded by enemies

[sleek barn]

i may just go all in on the caustic ground

[proud gorge]

it's just what I thought of since DD Chain Reaction is just a classic CWS skill

[sleek barn]

that is true

i was also thinking cremation of exhuming but the rate at which it detonates corpses is laughable

[proud gorge]

the other benefit of falling is that it doesn't need corpses

whereas regular raise zombie needs corpses

[sleek barn]

puppeteer gets that

[proud gorge]

ah, do they? That's good

[sleek barn]

raised zombies don't require corpses

[proud gorge]

nvm then, I guess regular zombies can work, since they get a life bonus

I still thing Falling is the play though

though I guess if you're going falling then the whole interaction gets extraneous, since they die by themselves anyways, so it'd be just for the DD damage

[crude moat]

why play zombies when you have eclipse

[proud gorge]

and at that point, why not go regular DD

[sleek barn]

falling is nice bc then it'll automate heartbound loop easier

[proud gorge]

for the better damage percentage

[sleek barn]

true

[proud gorge]

ah, yeah that works

but yeah, falling loop sounds funny

you know what's funny actually? So despite the fact that it looks like it just falls, technically Falling zombies spawn way up in the air, then initiate an attack on the target enemy that causes them to plunge to the ground

but if you're DDing them, you probably kill them way up in the air, before they even drop

Fireworks build

[frozen night]

Yeah and also falling time is not consistent, so keep that in mind when heartbound looping

[proud gorge]

I assume the goal is just to get them to loop their deaths at all, not necessarily to construct a super tight loop

[frozen night]

Doesn't matter if you're using it for utility, but it's basically impossible to time them to hit CD breakpoints

Yeah, for that it works absolutely fine

[pseudo axle]

did GGG patch out the Cast on Portal tech people had figured out

that might work well for falling zambies

[pulsar dune]

Část on portál still works afaik

[frozen night]

I don't think cast on portal works well for anything

It's hilarious and powerful, but it's also ridiculously clunky

[empty bronze]

hey chat

are triggers supposed to auto target enemies?

[pseudo axle]

aw man I found the red-headed stepchild of helical rings

a composite ring

[steel light]

the dumping begins

[sleek barn]

depends on the trigger

hey yknow what i may do raise zombie traps and bodyswap of sacrifice traps

no more triggers

although i've already done bodyswap of sacrifice

[warped gazelle]

Seems like my plans for Ancestral Commander Molten Strike goes unchanged, same with the Surfcaster MS/Smite/GH

[pseudo axle]

Replica paradoxica

or a stack of 16 chaos orbs

grand heists feel SO nice now compared to OG heist league imo

the mix of rewards is so much more interesting

[sleek barn]

https://pobb.in/MmMfm8pGNQ8n ok not bad

clusters will be annoying

[civic charm]

So how expensive do we think jiquanies potential will be?

[hexed mountain]

1c

aint nobody playing that

[pseudo axle]

oooo, +8 crest of desire with +43% to quality

[split maple]

you sure? strike node is now 4 points

[hexed mountain]

i wonder what suplementary skill would go well with abberath

a brand maybe so i can walk

[sleek barn]

are you planning for abberath to be your main source of damage?

[split pagoda]

yeah strike skill commander got fucking gutted lol

[hexed mountain]

on polytheist yeah the doubled damage on the buff from patch is wild

[split pagoda]

unless ur playing flicker strike

[hexed mountain]

will transition out of it in reds probably

the amount of buffs polytheist got is hilarious

[sleek barn]

may i interest you in eye of innocence ngahamus sign CWDT

[hexed mountain]

unaffected by shock/ignite/corrupted blood / 10% reduced damage taken

dont mind if i do

[eternal hill]

aside of flicker

scrolling do be hard

[hexed mountain]

yep flicker looks cool on it

+3 targets with mastery +2 possible with grafts?

kinda sweet

[eternal hill]

wait grafts have +strike?

[hexed mountain]

yes

[eternal hill]

HUH

[hexed mountain]

+1 each possible

right +1/2 on gloves possible too

[sleek barn]

yeah thats one of the expensive ones

alongside jolt crit

[hexed mountain]

but even with just a basic +1 target on gloves and +1 mastery you're at +4 targets and you cruising

[flat jay]

How do I hide the + skill button?

I have unassigned Atlas skills and I'd like to hide it

[sleek barn]

i don't think you can for those

maybe try right clicking though

[hexed mountain]

i wonder if there's actually use cases for +11 strike targets

like delirium memes

no melee splash required we're actually hitting every mob individually

[stuck phoenix]

There's like, no reason not to allocate them

[lean urchin]

they arent free to respec

[hoary scarab]

theres multiple trees tho

and not using them is objectively a loot down

[lean urchin]

still. i found the one reason, even if it is miniscule

[stuck phoenix]

Not allocating them is negative overall profit very quickly

[flat jay]

I've been playing this game VERY casually for 10 years, always on the same character, I still understand nothing of the game, I have no clue on how to spend them, so I want to postpone that

[stuck phoenix]

That doesn't make sense to do

Just spend them

[flat jay]

Randomly?

[hoary scarab]

allocating them in random spots is still more loot than not allocating them atall

[stuck phoenix]

Click something you want to click

[crisp plinth]

read node click if it sounds cool is better than not using them

[royal stirrup]

Does anyone have a video of the starter league for Phrecia? I'd like to learn the game at my own pace.

[hoary scarab]

wdym with starter league

[brazen vector]

https://pobb.in/_yrS6IUSRstJ todays episode on bait or no bait

[hoary scarab]

vaal spark

pepelaugh

[stuck phoenix]

What

[haughty gale]

easy day one gear, definitely not bait

[hexed mountain]

how does vaal spark work with fury valve btw?

[brazen vector]

day 1 would be misted focused and helical ofc

[haughty gale]

hour 8 at the latest

(worst part is there is probably some one f*cker out there actually capable of this)

[brazen vector]

turdtwister with his goons

[hexed mountain]

rmt gamers

[jagged raven]

Blade Vortex Bog Shaman or herald of agony which one is more tanky?

[hoary scarab]

it just works

[hexed mountain]

that's the question , since its not a + proj i guess it doesnt remove any proj

[pseudo axle]

"it just works" applies to most Vaal skills

hit button, delete screen

[hoary scarab]

dont think so, no

but also no natural splits

[hexed mountain]

yeah but quality gives at least 2

[proud gorge]

I do kind of want to play a Vaal build for one of the non-persistent vaal effects

like good old Vaal Arc or whatever

but problem is those are only really applicable in very specific circumstances

namely extremely dense rooms full of a very large number of enemies packed into a very small space

[past mantle]

@tight plinth https://pobb.in/91boBIAFSNcB
Here's the pob I was thinking about.
Idea is that you use battlemage's cry to proc unearth on shield charge, this drops 10 corpses under you, you warcry to proc death rattle.
The 200% inc warcry speed is such a massive buff.
Life costs on everything but the warcries are wrong and shouldn't be there.
Take a peep and see if you see something I might've missed.

[modern zinc]

rog is one of my favourite npcs

rog is pog

[lean urchin]

[tawdry olive]

btw you can bind warcries to left click, so if you have giga warcry speed...

[hard cliff]

Anyone got suggestions for a good behemoth rage/fort stacking smash bro?

I wanna go hulk mode on em

[hard cliff]

he's the goat

fun fact

he's a canonical dungeon master

[grizzled lily]

nice league starter bro

day 1 helical

[hard cliff]

and plays some kind of figure/model based game with the other cow goorins

🐄

[grizzled lily]

ive done that before

[whole bluff]

why is there a bunch of clown emojis on the newspost for phrecia btw? did people dislike the changes that much?

[split maple]

Tbf the changes are kinda funny

In a really good way for me but still

[grizzled lily]

bog shaman

giga

[whole bluff]

ancestral commander did nothing wrong

[grizzled lily]

ancestral commander is just good now wdym

[split maple]

Ig a lot of folks got trigered by what mods are considered build bricking or actually which ones aren't?

[grizzled lily]

before it was too good

[split maple]

It's bricked for strikers

But yea balance wise it feels alright

[grizzled lily]

u can still choose it

[whole bluff]

I have no interest in that ascendancy anymore yeah

[grizzled lily]

it was too good

thats all

[whole bluff]

why put the useless node before the node you want

[kindred silo]

ask that to harbi

[split maple]

Ig that tcata build that was popular is also brick now

[grizzled lily]

askl that to blind prophet

[whole bluff]

ah, that too I suppose

[split maple]

If you want to slam or do howlcrack memes it still slaps tho

[grizzled lily]

u cant even do ur first lab

properly

u get nerfed the moment u finish it

[kindred silo]

the only playable visiting harbi requires u to channel

the rest r basically ded nodes

[split maple]

I am kinda happy with wildspeaker buffs and flabergasted with whisperer buffs

Tho I sure like having them

[grizzled lily]

the employees felt like playing kboc this league xdd

[split maple]

I am more excited bout mfa

For kboc hiero/Guardian is still better

So Just do it in keepers

[grizzled lily]

mfa league start ew

week 1 first voidstone

[split maple]

Wildspeaker ehots/la leaguestart

[whole bluff]

hmm, even with minion CDR, you dont get full uptime on harbinger of time

lmao

[split maple]

If you swap to whisperer before indigon you deserve it

[whole bluff]

it's just a worse version of everyone has tailwind

man, harbinger of the arcane is criminally bad

[kindred silo]

i really was under the impression they were gonna buff harbi

then they just came out and nerfed it

[whole bluff]

they probably are unaware of how it works tbh

[crimson hearth]

im tryna farm harvest but dont understand anything can someone explain it better

[whole bluff]

why it would be playable, why it wouldnt be

[crimson hearth]

i saw this vid got more confusedhttps://youtu.be/VjXKyk2bMzE?si=WQDZX3VcDxg7_oiU

[thick goblet]

just dont do crop rotation if it's too complicated

[lean urchin]

and again, how is it complicated

[pseudo axle]

crop rotation is like, easy, isn't it

[lean urchin]

click NOTYELLOW until last patch, then yellow

[split maple]

And rly carefuly copy the atlas tree layout next to crop rota 😄

[past mantle]

Not a fan of them making the strike nodes exclusive to flicker. That's my only complaint.

[crimson hearth]

il try but if i dont get it still what other mech should i farm

[split maple]

Then its Just matter of running sample size amount of maps

[pseudo axle]

anything you want?

[hybrid harness]

crop rota is easy but it's giga rng, and u will have to take profit-killing or run-saving gambas every map

[crimson hearth]

im not even copying lol

[sage wagon]

hey guys, can i login poe 1 while playing poe 2? same account

[split maple]

Crop rota is kinda consistent on what 10 map sample?

[pseudo axle]

then you're actively shooting yourself in the foot

[split maple]

Way better than boxes in that regard

[pseudo axle]

why are you actively shooting yourself in the foot

[whole bluff]

I do crop rota the way I do crop rota, and if you think it's complicated I will 🤐 and say do this https://discordapp.com/channels/174993814845521922/175005585203396622/1465767771852898462

[crimson hearth]

no idea copy from where

[forest lodge]

Are witches/zombies/skeletons still viable summons?

summoner/summons^

[pseudo axle]

damn we can summon witches?

since when

[lean urchin]

bitches maybe

[pseudo axle]

well I got all of mine right here in this chat

[split maple]

Can summon mages

Sadly not magebloodes

[past mantle]

Yes.

[whole bluff]

when I do Alva, I wanna make an app that scans your temple and "counts cards" (for edge cases), then when I do essence I wanna do the same, then when I do harvest I wanna do the same

[pseudo axle]

brother google search brings up the maxroll.gg guide, how is your learned helpnessness this bad

[whole bluff]

but that is literally prolly not worth the currency per hour without an app doing the math for you

[crimson hearth]

idk im kinda slow

[lean urchin]

i can barely play 1 hour, so per hour rates are fake

i need like, to take a walk between maps

[whole bluff]

whenever something big happens, I tend to go smoking

I killed 70% feared on a shit build, time to smoke several cigarettes

[lean urchin]

training the brain to smoke as a reward smh

[split maple]

I six portaled feared before loot on a good build, time for a pack

As Napoleon said: always bring champagne to battle. When you win you want it, when you lose you need it.

[pseudo axle]

close to level 99 now

I should turbo farm to get to 100

[whole bluff]

Ngl, on my shitty version of a good build I prolly did

Although spellslinger double ignite is probably not meant to work

[split maple]

I went to do my first feared Just after sirus was patched to do stuff

And I optimistically juiced it for that quant challenge

It wasn't fun

[whole bluff]

Same

I did like 3 feared yet, got 1

Shadow ain't my thing, and spellslinger double ignite ain't A thing

[split maple]

Yea to do feared now I just drop all defences on heralder and take some hella brand attachment range and turn on rf

Pure Glass is the only way to do it consistently

[whole bluff]

Damn

I got spellblock, that helped

And like 9.8k ES, 26k evasion, 1k ES regen

56% spell block or something, 3m dps

That worked, idk if technically difficult or if I got lucky etc

[split maple]

That sounds kinda stressful to my skill issue driven gameplay

[whole bluff]

I got owned with like 8k

[split maple]

Like my level of mechanics is walk in a circle

[whole bluff]

On double ignite 1.2m maybe

[hexed mountain]

slinger poison oshabi is probably a thing now that slinger isnt a 4 pointer behind wisps though

[whole bluff]

Ye

I wanna play that

[hexed mountain]

like slinger + all damage inflict poison goes hard for 4 points

[hoary scarab]

if only oshabi would have access to shadow FF

[hexed mountain]

it has access to pathfinder poison spread FF

[hoary scarab]

i mean, everyone does

foulborn embalmber exist

[hexed mountain]

no double damage tho

[odd fox]

Wish I could just transfer over my keepers character to phrecia event season, going through the story again is ass

[hexed mountain]

and if you full slinger you probably want linked gloves and helm

[hoary scarab]

if you going full slinger, you prolly dont want prolif anyways

you stack poisons

[hexed mountain]

yeah

you would go for the 50% inc wither effect 25% wither on hit FF

[whole bluff]

For the record on boss killing, I know in soccer my only thing was "being in the way", to an excessive level. And in floorball it was "doing 8s around the field until entire enemy team is out of position run up to goalie turn, he throws himself, I flip" (only worked in training cuz our team was shit)

[hexed mountain]

i did too much KF this league already but man oshabi can easily get like 7+K HP and then instaleech to full with KF

that looks kinda funny too

[whole bluff]

And lumosity says my real talent is driving. So I assume it's connected, and might help with bosses in poe

[whole bluff]

Oshabi does seem nice, but it is a ranger so that seems always tricky unless pf

[hexed mountain]

yeah but you can abuse the node with empty socket to use untouched soul

and 40% inc life from gloves

[hard cliff]

So behemoth is dead now?

[hexed mountain]

a bonus 672 life and 40% life

[whole bluff]

Ah, that might be the play. Gonna hurt sockets considering spellslinger, but it's doable

[hexed mountain]

i wouldnt do on slinger

but on a pure KF

the endgame setup for KF damage is KF in helm

[whole bluff]

That sounds nice

I will prolly force spellslinger with the same solution if I have to. Just not doing any extra things with sockets

[hexed mountain]

because with +2 wisp and all the KF projs you hit like 100-150 times per second

with just a wheel of leech or life gain on hit

you're always full hp

[whole bluff]

I assume you also just do like, enduring composure, some evasion?

steal the most of the best that you can steal from strength archetype, and get suppression?

[hexed mountain]

evasion yeah

rathpith globe

[whole bluff]

ah, damn

[hexed mountain]

to that spell damage to attacks

since you're at like 7-8K

[whole bluff]

neat, then you can also tempest shield

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[whole bluff]

that sounds actually very good

[hexed mountain]

just very cringe to get the colors

costs a few thousand jewellers

to get 6 red off color chest

[whole bluff]

I am currently wearing a 4R1G1B twilight regalia

ah, needing the 6th is pain

[hexed mountain]

you can avoid the 6th

i mean you lose 48 base hp

[whole bluff]

worth

early anyway

at least if you could make it white so it did something

[hexed mountain]

wait more 7K than 8K hp i forgor but if you go KF you need timeclasp rings

so that's two rings with no health

i was counting 800hp from items from around 100 on each slot

can get higher rolls to get 8K though but later

[whole bluff]

ps, I was also shit, worth mentioning

[whole bluff]

man, I cant justify untouched soul on spellslinger

[hexed mountain]

yeah you dont have the slots

you want at least chest + gloves free to make it worth

[whole bluff]

I will see if I can manage on olroth with yndas or something

because the only ideas I had were ancestral commander strikes like last time, or spellslinger oshabi

[cerulean dove]

they fixed the vullkan issues !!!!!!

so happy

busted i was so happy

[astral knoll]

which ascendancy is great for bow in Phrecia league guys ?

[cerulean dove]

https://tenor.com/view/ch0colatchaud-burst-gif-21178804

[hard cliff]

looks like bows and behemoth are both dead for phrecia

[hexed mountain]

the ranger ones are good

[leaden mural]

so you need to be channeling to have the habringer buff you?

[split maple]

wildspeaker, whisperer, oshabi

prolyl wildspeaker the easiest early

[hard cliff]

all better on wands

[split maple]

not rly

[flat jay]

How is DPS on quick skill info (when you hover with mouse) calculated?

Is it only for the instant (on hit) damage part of the skill?
Say I've a skill dealing 3 different elemental damage on hit + a damage over time component, does the DPS only show the 3 elemntal per second part?

[hexed mountain]

oshabi has an easier time stacking evasion on bow than wand imo

because you can put your skill in the bow

[hard cliff]

never use in game dps it's incredibly unreliable

use path of building

[flat jay]

I couldn't get it using my calculator

[proud gorge]

in general, in game DPS is just base attack rate multiplied by base damage

or, uh, listed damage anyways

[hexed mountain]

and only once per hit

[crude moat]

yea, it misses most of the dps mechanics you additionally use

[proud gorge]

some skills don't get a DPS number, they get an "average hit" number

[grizzled lily]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1qo8ucn/ggg_please_exclude_monsters_steal_power_frenzy/o229zrj/?context=10

[hard cliff]

very disappointing

[proud gorge]

and that's just the number that they otherwise multiply against attack rate

[crude moat]

right? they should instead make "all maps will have reflect mod"

[proud gorge]

and is used for skill that don't have a standard attack/cast rate

[split maple]

reddit crying always works 😄

[dreamy charm]

never tried flicker strike causes nausea for me

[proud gorge]

play Consecrated Path instead then

[grizzled lily]

youre on your own with this one bro

[flat jay]

Is there an online version? Is it offline only?

[split maple]

https://pob.cool/

[proud gorge]

Consecrated Path is Flicker Strike for people who don't like the screen moving that quickly

[crude moat]

why would you need an online version?

[proud gorge]

and I say that as someone who actually enjoys Consecrated Path

it's a nice skill, the Endurance version scales very well, and it's a Slam

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffwhy do you put clown emote on the patch note 😔

[proud gorge]

one of like two slams in the game that deals damage over its entire AoE instantly, one time, when you press the button

[flat jay]

I don't want to spend 10 minutes downloading just to check damage for a couple of skills

[hard cliff]

Why don't we have every negative mod removed so somebody's little special snowflake build doesn't have to adjust and change for a difficult event.

[proud gorge]

I mean, I understand the logic, they're supposedly not removing it for Flicker/PCharge stacker, they're removing it because it fucks over some HC builds

[crude moat]

I'll double down, why don't we have every negative mod added so that way nobody can have fun?

[split maple]

Preach Pira 😄 on the roll

[ocean field]

what is a good chance to shock assuming ur aps is 3.5?

[proud gorge]

a lot of HC builds, in fact

arguably almost all of them

[hard cliff]

We have that actually it's called Gauntlet and it's freaking awesome

[plush gulch]

in fact it fuck over hard most build

[crude moat]

if you plan on keep playing poe, you'll use pob for way more than just check damage of a couple skills

[proud gorge]

Endurance Charges are a massive portion of HC's defensive layers

[flat jay]

Couldn't they make a separation for HC and SC?

[crude moat]

then don't play phrecia/league and just wait for gauntlet bro

[ocean field]

can someone please tell

[hard cliff]

so take a unique or passive so they can't get stolen

wow adjusting your build to the circumstances

[split maple]

Anything between 0 and 100 glaza

Depends on build

[proud gorge]

I mean, theoretically, but given that people were already complaining about charge stealing in SC, I guess they figured they may as well

[lean urchin]

yeah, reroll the map

[ocean field]

sodj trickster

[crude moat]

I don't see why anyone would cry over making the game easier for all builds in a 3 week event

It's meant to be fun, not strategical

[proud gorge]

I mean, as far as I can tell the intent behind the extra mods thing is to be a fun little bonus thing, not something you have to actually adjust your build against.

[hard cliff]

I'm playing this league and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. I just hate constantly seeing the Developers give Reddit any credit on balance changes because it's always them whining about the game not being easy enough for them. Next week they'll be complaining that event is not hard enough by the way so enjoy people who hate you no matter what you do.

[crude moat]

https://klipy.com/gifs/baby-cry-24

[proud gorge]

That's pretty clearly their intent with the extra mods, to make them nice and fun, not to fuck over builds or force them to adjust

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-pooping-hilarious-cute-gif-12798836

[plush gulch]

i don't understand what's the problem pira what mod you don't like that they took away

did you want every other map brick ailment build

or something

[cerulean breach]

is that your build?

[hard cliff]

I made my position clear

[plush gulch]

even stealing charges you couldn't do any build that have anything to do with charges

[stray sedge]

Bruh

[proud gorge]

honestly I think they probably should have just done a completely seperate pool of mods, maybe including some of the more visibly silly T17 mods like the "all rares release volatile cores" one

[normal hedge]

nooo they removed the steal charges

[hard cliff]

does pooping count as a war cry

[split maple]

okay actually i dont mind this mod being removed

[crude moat]

https://klipy.com/gifs/baby-lol-haha

[split maple]

its kinda sucky

better chance to roll better mods with it not in pool

[normal hedge]

thats funny

[hard cliff]

@plush gulch
Only thing I'm trying to do right now is figure out a behemoth build or a bow bill that isn't manaforged arrow. It doesn't seem like either one of those exist so I'm kind of lost and what I'm going to play every class just feels worse than base game unless you're playing wand or life Stacker bog

[plush gulch]

so little reward for a mod this punishing

[plush gulch]

im gonna play behemot rage vortex of berserking

[astral knoll]

shrine stack seem great, Im also thinking mana stack, look tankier than shrine stack with MoM

[proud gorge]

like, instead of doing random T16 mods at all, just include some of the sillier T17 mods, Volatile Cores, Maven Interferes, that sort of thing, maybe some new ones even

[plush gulch]

it probably won't be insane but i don't care

[split maple]

yeah this kinda mod is better than it

[crude moat]

Imma play dual wielding eclipse solaris kb cuz wand supremacy

[split maple]

its rly lol wut

[proud gorge]

because as is the "random T16 mods except some of these ones" are just getting nerfed to the point of barely being noticable anymore

[astral knoll]

but Im really enjoy bow build, almost playing bow in every game

[plush gulch]

impending doom harbinger could be cool

it will be solid I think

[hard cliff]

I was past the building a behemoth rage Vortex regular version myself but the lack of war cries really really hurts the damage. Link me and tag me in yours if you get it up and running

https://pobb.in/Jgqq6Y7yuLYE

[harsh frost]

bless them for excluding the remove charges mod 🙏

[proud gorge]

but like, I understand why they didn't do that, it's because that would have taken time, effort, work

[hard cliff]

this is broken BTW I forgot no war cries

[proud gorge]

which GGG's PoE1 team doesn't really have these days

unfortunately

[eternal hill]

Rage Vortex + Roofless

[plush gulch]

the only warcry that count is double dmg right ?

[eternal hill]

what sort of padding is this

[hard cliff]

@eternal hill
I made this half asleep at midnight

[eternal hill]

no excuses

[hard cliff]

@eternal hill
I'm gonna eat you

[plush gulch]

just remove the war cry and do something else

[warped gazelle]

pretty sure, i dont care really if i dont have the ''toughened skin'' node i can live without

[plush gulch]

we can use ambush right ?

it last for the whole think i think

[eternal hill]

Yeah ambush snapshotting is a thing

[plush gulch]

then you can strength stack in lategame with the paradoxica to get double dmg (that you would have gotten in a warcry)

[hard cliff]

I agree it's fucked

Molten strike of the zenith could be cool the extra strikes and distance mean you can play like a range molten strike where you hit a pack of monsters and explode like a bouncy ball room on them.

[plush gulch]

tbh I would have rather they keep the no spell tag and bufff the rest but they found a workaround it

fine enough for me

tbh

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I'd love a version of this where instead of like 4 random T16 mods that barely matter, it's instead 2 random weird-ass mods, that make the whole thing feel a bit goofy. Maven Interferes with Players in act 1. Beyond but it spawns totems. Make every enemy release elemental cores on death. An invincible Izaro chases you around until you kill the map boss.

[plush gulch]

i'll adapt

[proud gorge]

that sort of thing

[nocturne chasm]

anyone here starting pbod?

[hard cliff]

no invincible crap otherwise I agree

[plush gulch]

I guess I can run blood and sand, flesh and stone herald of purity

[halcyon prawn]

why "nooo"

[plush gulch]

early

[proud gorge]

but yeah, that would require them to put a lot of effort into making a list of "silly" map mods

[ocean field]

didn't know you can steal shaper touch using head hunter looks funny af

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffthats annoying because before we could go bloodmagic without any worry

[proud gorge]

and they, uh, probably really don't have the time for that

[plush gulch]

but now you want aura that are not auraz

[normal hedge]

a guy in this channel saying stupid bs like always

[plush gulch]

so we have to solve mana

[worthy cave]

btw is it me or is wildspeaker now generically excellent?

[plush gulch]

that's ther part that annoy me

[halcyon prawn]

wym

[astral knoll]

I wish GGG didn't butcher the BAMA build

[worthy cave]

Tailwind + suppress + dex stack + wolves on crit

[proud gorge]

Wildspeaker was always good

[worthy cave]

can hit 75% spell dodge cap

[empty bronze]

ggg should replace the monsters steal charges node with monsters share affixes

[worthy cave]

but now the tailwind node isn't meme

[lethal zenith]

I’ll always love you BAMA

[plush gulch]

good mean it's one of the best in poe term

[worthy cave]

not sure how good the wolves or farrul cats on crit nodes are

[plush gulch]

if it's not one of the best it's bad

[empty bronze]

so you could keep your charges but enemies also get them if they are close to you

[plush gulch]

you can learn that on the wiki

joking

[worthy cave]

there's also the idea of actually NOT taking the tailwind node

[empty bronze]

i think im gonna go for daughter of oshabi poison

[proud gorge]

I mean, part of the issue with some of the Phrecia classes is that they're so generic in their power that that may as well be how they are

[worthy cave]

and going dex stack + farrul cats + wolves on crit + suppress/acro

[empty bronze]

wish me luck chat

[plush gulch]

you have too many idea you are dangerous

[whole bluff]

gotta love swiftly when loving BAMA

[worthy cave]

HAH

wait no shaper's touch

[proud gorge]

since many of the Phrecia classes in the first run were generic enough that people just used whatever the strongest one was, so the others, due to being marginally worse but still alright, got very little play

[worthy cave]

you need rare gloves to inflict exposure

and then use that with a tulgraft for its aegis on exposure

[lethal zenith]

I believe in you

[proud gorge]

because if all you need is generic power, why would you care about any other than the strongest one?

[ocean field]

WTF is this

[plush gulch]

I see that and all i'm thinking is that it's still an insane ascendancy

[proud gorge]

Shaper clones

[proud gorge]

good ol' shaper clones

[worthy cave]

you now need to warcry piano slams with the class

[ocean field]

yeah but I thought u can only spawn one with headhunter

why is there 3 lol

[plush gulch]

what happened to auto exert?

[proud gorge]

who knows

[worthy cave]

the warcry node got flipped

[plush gulch]

oh

[worthy cave]

instead of CDR/slower warcries

[plush gulch]

so you have to make a choice

[worthy cave]

it's now 30% reduced CDR on warcries

but 120% inc. speed

[plush gulch]

I mean everyone agree to say it was the best

[hard cliff]

good luck

[worthy cave]

so a buff to self-casting warcries

[proud gorge]

but yeah, it's why I always champion for things like ascendancies, or unique items, or skills, to have more unique distinguishing features, even if this requires (gasps) mild downsides

[hard cliff]

[worthy cave]

The problem with base ascendancies is so many useless nodes

like pathfinder's entire right side

[hard cliff]

is Lancing steel scav gonna be good this league?

[worthy cave]

if you're not playing poison surgeon, you're trolling on her

[plush gulch]

im going behemoth

[worthy cave]

also...I have no clue how bloodlines go core

[plush gulch]

donn't complain about scav xD

[worthy cave]

GGG said they're part of the base game

[proud gorge]

I'd rather have an ascendancy with a very strong and distinct identity, but maybe with some downsides, that one with no downsides and an incredibly generic power identity

[worthy cave]

but the breach bloodline needs grafts to function

[plush gulch]

4 foulborn is tough

[worthy cave]

so does that mean GRAFTS are going core?

I don't mean esh/tul

[whole bluff]

they said they wont, so idk

[split maple]

i mean bloodlines are already core

in standard

[worthy cave]

I mean the 15% less damage taken per graft

[crude moat]

either grafts go core or breach gets reworked

[split maple]

just breachlord isnt

[proud gorge]

Bloodlines are core, but the Breachlord Bloodline specifically might not

[whole bluff]

maybe ascendancy only grafts, or replaced node

[worthy cave]

ahhhh

[proud gorge]

probably not

the graft part definitely isn't

[worthy cave]

the bloodlines also just kind of suck IMO

[split maple]

farul is insanely op on a lot of builds

[crude moat]

your opinion sucks

[proud gorge]

eh, there's some bloodlines with strong and focused identity

[whole bluff]

bloodlines are so weak that prebuff polytheist looks good

[empty bronze]

they are for improving situations where you only need part of an ascendancy

[worthy cave]

because of the haste cat spectre?

[proud gorge]

I dislike the ones that are overly generic, like most of the Breachlord bloodline

and Farrul Cats is probably too generic as well

[worthy cave]

Perfect Forest Tiger + farrul ascendancy?

[split maple]

practically all bloodlines except catarina and oshabi are situationaly usable

[elfin shale]

Cis Kinetic Bolt is still a completely fine skill right

[lethal zenith]

Idk theyre niche but really good depending on the build

[empty bronze]

huh, i could take the ward bloodline

[plush gulch]

I like when your ascendancy is a choice that affect how your character is built

[split maple]

either one of these bottom nodes yea or just kitties on crit

[worthy cave]

Ehhhh isn't Oshabi pretty good for the rage?

[hard cliff]

Awoooo

🐅

[plush gulch]

rather than juust 10% pdr there and a few dmg mode

[worthy cave]

Tigers don't awoo -_-

[split maple]

cast+attack speed & crit is massive early

[elfin shale]

Oshabi has some tech

[worthy cave]

problem is keeping the spectre alive

[elfin shale]

Not sure if its 2 points of your ascendancy tech but yknow

[whole bluff]

bloodlines serve a purpose, to fill out the worst nodes, and theyre fine at it, just always fun when things are juicier

[split maple]

its a one small passive node of bloodline

[empty bronze]

chat

[worthy cave]

I mean the notable too

[empty bronze]

daughter of oshabi + oshabi bloodline

[worthy cave]

you get a whole new buff

[split maple]

isnt that notable kinda ass

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the entire point of the Bloodlines is that they're supposed to be more niche ways to get access to things that only very specific builds might want, or alternatively ways to get more power that require you to adjust your entire build to take advantage of them (eg: Aul empty sockets)

[split maple]

like if it was adrenaline i would be excited

then it was prenerfed

[worthy cave]

ahhhh

[proud gorge]

but some of the bloodlines don't quite hit that mark

[plush gulch]

@hard cliffim one hundred percent sure any stacking build you will do on aristocrat will be insane now

easy build

to do

[worthy cave]

I mean my issue with the bloodlines is that I'm not sure any of them have 2 generically good offensive nodes

[empty bronze]

and for if you only need part of your ascendancy

[proud gorge]

being either too generic of power, so builds can take advantage with very little or no change to their build

[whole bluff]

imo their best way to patch up already existing things is that they let you opt out of taking nodes that arent useful on your main ascendancy

[native abyss]

[tight plinth]

[empty bronze]

like if you have 2-6 good ascendancy nodes but nothing good for the last ones

[whole bluff]

[proud gorge]

that's also a helpful part of it as well yeah

[worthy cave]

what happens if you only have 4 ?8(

[whole bluff]

olroth gives ward defence option which is very nice

[empty bronze]

what?

[worthy cave]

Like gladiator you get "more than skill" and then the rest is turbo mediocre

[empty bronze]

2 to 6

[worthy cave]

Or chieftain you get valako, and then the rest is "ehhh"

[whole bluff]

breach is more of a 4th lab if you dont have one

[proud gorge]

but yeah, imo I don't think there should be any generic "just slot this into any build that doesn't use all four ascendancies" bloodlines

[empty bronze]

2-6

[split maple]

that most builds only spare 2 points on bloodline is kidna nice balance wise to me

and a few 4p but not majority

[empty bronze]

4 is between two and six

[worthy cave]

Same thing with Pathfinder

imagine you're not playing chaos

[empty bronze]

pathfinder 2e

[hard cliff]

not league starter viable 😭

[worthy cave]

you're just sitting there like "WTF do I do?"

And even if you're playing non-poison chaos

[empty bronze]

gambler has a 90% more damage node

[proud gorge]

even the ones that are there to give you something to do with your extra two ascendancy points should at least require you to adjust your build somewhat to use them

[plush gulch]

there is this guy on youtube league starting whisper of ice tricskter int stacking every time, im sure you can do it

[proud gorge]

and that's where I think Farrul Cats and most of the Breachlord ones fail

[crude moat]

you don't need a league start viable build if you just craft your way to a mirror on week 1

[empty bronze]

40% chance of triple damage and 30% less damage apparently comes out to 90% more

[worthy cave]

Farrul Cats is for critters

[proud gorge]

Farrul cats just generically goes on literally any crit-based build

[lethal zenith]

Cats on crit

[whole bluff]

they do require spectres, which isnt great imo, I'd rather they worked with your items

[empty bronze]

meow

[hard cliff]

I want to do low life Lansing steel scavenger chevrons but it's making me mad because I can't take advantage of pain Attunement cuz Lansing steel is an attack. Do you think I could run something like blade folly or would that not even be good? I'm kind of looking at that doomfledge extra damage and physical to do something with it but I don't know if it's actually any good or not.

[worthy cave]

Sure but you need 3 other points besides that

so if you're pathfinder not doing chaos

what's your 3rd point on pathfinder?

[empty bronze]

lancing

[worthy cave]

inc effect of magic flasks ?8(

[plush gulch]

what about the amulet to cast with energy shield

[hard cliff]

speech to text

[worthy cave]

Whisperer might also be cracked this patch

Foulborn Choir of the Storm

[hard cliff]

what's that gonna do for me

[worthy cave]

Connor said she might hit 55k mana

[proud gorge]

and of course the Breachlord ones go on: literally any build that deals lightning damage, literally any build that deals cold damage, and literally any build that wants to take less damage of two types

[plush gulch]

or what about reducing the cost to zero the mana cost. ? what it would do fix your problem

[worthy cave]

It may be feasible to get 100% phys and ele taken as fire

[plush gulch]

I have seen build using this amulet to take care of these annoying mana problem

[lethal zenith]

Free woke fork too. Idk.

[proud gorge]

so yeah, the Breachlord ones are easily the worst offenders in terms of being overly generic