1┃general

[minor mantle]

oh wow

[fiery marsh]

Delve to hard with risk?

[proud gorge]

realistically the builds it hits the hardest are lower budget armourstackers though

[karmic gust]

do these random rolled mods also scale with map effect?

[pulsar dune]

losing accuracy is an odd one for sure

no

that was said somewhere

[haughty gale]

no

[karmic gust]

then why are half of them here

[proud gorge]

super high budget armourstack can potentially DPS through regardless

[karmic gust]

they dont brick any build without map effect

[proud gorge]

but low budget is hit pretty hard

[haughty gale]

hardcore players are genuenly fucked without endurances

[pulsar dune]

yea, ailment avoid is annoying, but not unplayable

but IG they want people to actually play ignite builds

[proud gorge]

but in general I think they want to avoid the mods that nerf player defenses

[karmic gust]

like reduced aura effect without map effect scaling does nothing

[fiery marsh]

Bricked up. You do no dot damage

[karmic gust]

even if you heavily rely on auras

[fossil mural]

Some would be incredibly annoying anyway. I dont think ggg wants to force everyone to play the comfiest build of the league or suffer

[pulsar dune]

nah, I've bruteforced it before on fire trap ignite

without map effect it doesn't go to 100

[proud gorge]

like, the main point is that they're removing mods that nerf player defenses, because these mods also roll in Hardcore

[karmic gust]

half of these mods are way less dangerous than max res

[fiery marsh]

Burning ground isint a dot tho

[karmic gust]

and ppl do not even skip max res

[pulsar dune]

it was fire trap of blasting

[crisp plinth]

Don't think the danger is the main reason looks more like just reducing annoying shit

[pulsar dune]

(and yes, burning ground is a dot, but ikwym)

[haughty gale]

so what about endurances lmao

[crisp plinth]

Then again doesn't matter, gggs choice

[proud gorge]

and having a bunch of mods that nerf player defenses randomly roll on a map in hardcore would be real bad

[proud gorge]

they're adding steal charges to the list for exactly that reason

[fiery marsh]

Poison avoid while playing poison reeewwe

[proud gorge]

again, I wouldn't say it bricks builds, but I can understand their reasoning

[haughty gale]

I really fkn hope they are

[fossil mural]

You can build around it and it wont be felt as you play. The difference is you will maybe die more often (skill issue). But ailment avoidance, even not at 100%, is annoying af

[grizzled lily]

if u put one risk in the map device and run a juiced t17 youre basically back to 3.26

[pulsar dune]

in packs it's completely free since it rolls per enemy, so you just prolif onto the few you miss

[grizzled lily]

cant wait

[proud gorge]

but yeah, most of the mods on that list don't actually brick builds, but make them way more annoying or risky

[pulsar dune]

for single target you just have to click multiple times

which fucks snipe setups, evis and such

[fiery marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-the-brick-gif-13475329718288497829

[pulsar dune]

and those bad ryslatha volatility bleed builds

[proud gorge]

so turns out it's less of a "brick" list and more of a "overly harsh or potentially dangerous" list

[fiery marsh]

Flicker lol

[karmic gust]

im mostly talking about less evasion, reduced aura effect, reduced accuracy and stuff

[fossil mural]

I believe what they did is exclude both bricks and annoying stuff

[fossil mural]

Accuracy can be a bitch

[pulsar dune]

reduced accuracy is definitely an odd one to exclude

[proud gorge]

only, like, the top 4 are actual bricks (not including the ones removed for functional reasons)

[fiery marsh]

Yeah can be. Do zero damage

[proud gorge]

the rest are just annoying for certain builds

[fossil mural]

But stuff like evasion and aura yea I dont know why its excluded. Block I can understand maybe

[haughty gale]

I really wanna know what this functional reason is

[pulsar dune]

poison has it worse, but honestly +enemy res is likely a comparable dps loss

[fiery marsh]

Dot ground is annoying for everyone too

[granite nexus]

So now that we have asc what are you guys playing?

[karmic gust]

also buffs on players expire faster is def mostly because it just bricks actual league mechanics

like shrines

[haughty gale]

oh I know what it is

[karmic gust]

so that one is understandable

[pulsar dune]

arakaali minions until I can get triggerbots FF and do zomber recaller

[fossil mural]

Hh

[fiery marsh]

So t17 maps bricked up ehh?

[proud gorge]

Reflect, No Regen, Less Recovery, Reduced Flask Charges and No Leech genuinely brick certain builds. Also Cooldown recovery speed, but that's not on the list and possibly won't be added to it.

[haughty gale]

the way I imagine it works, is that the map generates with it's normal mods, then these extra ones added, and I suppose dot ground is part of map terrain generation which cant be cahnged after the fact

[fossil mural]

I remember playing crit eb on trickster and accuracy was a monumental issue

[karmic gust]

cdr is t17 mod anyway no so it cant even roll

[pulsar dune]

free campaign thanks to lvl 15 envy, no bricks because poison minions are just built different.

[fiery marsh]

No leech bricks all attack builds

[haughty gale]

at least I cant think of a different "functional" reason

[proud gorge]

The others are annoying and painful, and can make builds way squishier while also cutting their damage by 95%, but playable

[karmic gust]

or at least i think it is t17 mod?

[pulsar dune]

yea, it's a pain to cap, but not having capped accuracy doesn't mean you can't run a map

[fossil mural]

Life/mana on hit lol

[pulsar dune]

it just means every pack has evasive pretty much

[fiery marsh]

Risk ya brick?

[pulsar dune]

which is ... fine

[karmic gust]

one mastery solves it on that build completely

[fossil mural]

It feels bad. Ggg doesnt want people to feel bad playing a game for fun lmao

[pulsar dune]

I really don't think that's true

[fiery marsh]

Remove all map mods irc

[fossil mural]

If you dont run accuracy maps

[proud gorge]

funnily enough, the fact that the accuracy mod is reduced rather than less accuracy means that, unlike the other mods, which primarily affect stackers, the accuracy one actually barely affects accuracy stacker

[fossil mural]

Otherwise you will miss

[fiery marsh]

Those map mods we lost like 2k rarity bro

[karmic gust]

well if you do you lose 20% dps who cares

[heady cliff]

we live in the alternate timeline where GGG gives player FUN

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[heady cliff]

this is... so strange

[proud gorge]

all the other ones are Less X, and so are really harsh for any build that relies on X

[pulsar dune]

it's a bit worse than 20% since precise technique is really good

and that gets fucked up by accu maps

[fossil mural]

Shrimp Krillson wouldnt have banned any mods

[pulsar dune]

some leveling setups would definitely notice that one

[proud gorge]

but Accuracy is Reduced, making it fine for Accuracy Stack but incredibly harsh for builds that don't particularly stack accuracy and just rely on Precision and a bit of dexterity

which is a lot of builds

[pulsar dune]

well, every single duelist and ranger P much

[fiery marsh]

You like getting bricked up by a map mod? Go play 328

[karmic gust]

precise is based on max life and that build is CI, you dont get to actual 0 accuracy with it i dont think

[pulsar dune]

yea, I mean in general

[proud gorge]

arguably it could be resolved by just taking an accuracy wheel, and yeah, that's possible, but part of the point of the removed mod list is to make the extra mods a fun silly thing, and not something that forces you to change your build

[heady cliff]

idk what is bricked by accuracy

especially unscaled one

[pulsar dune]

afaik nothing

[fiery marsh]

They took all the good mods away. My rarity bro

[karmic gust]

in general its still just losing 40% multi because you will then be instead capped on accu

[proud gorge]

again, not so much bricked as just more annoying

[karmic gust]

it doesnt matter

and there are mods that lower your damage more anyway

[haughty gale]

How badly does cooldown fk cast on crit build and such? I know there are specific beakpoints

[fossil mural]

Less cdr is a normal mod

[heady cliff]

removing annoying mods...

[proud gorge]

like I said, only like 4-5 of those mods are actual bricks, the rest just make certain builds way more annoying to play

[heady cliff]

WHO WROTE PATCH NOTES AND WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH GGG I KNOW?

[haughty gale]

I imagine it's like 30% less damage right?

[fossil mural]

Bricks

40% less cdr

[fiery marsh]

Bricked GgG

[pulsar dune]

coc goes back 1 cdr breakpoint, so from 10 casts to 7

maybe a bit worse since aps gets out of sync

[proud gorge]

the main issue is it desynchs your attacks yeah

[haughty gale]

so about 50% less dps

[fossil mural]

You just skip a map ngl Itll feel so bad

[modest depot]

https://pobb.in/FpQ9Qnnuvw5i new update dropped. ethical timeless. and i forgot how broken some of the runegrafts were

[haughty gale]

I guess that's still kinda doable but pretty damn annoying

[proud gorge]

the way worse sufferer of CDR is Loopers

[fiery marsh]

Can you flick my brick?

[proud gorge]

since they use very precise breakpoints, so any CDR reduction at all just breaks the loop instantly

[haughty gale]

I'll give carn a smooch(sub) if he actually gets charge removal out

[proud gorge]

it's why I've described Wardloop in the past as the most "fragile" build in the game, in that it's not squishy, but a ton of things cause it to break

[pulsar dune]

charge removal would be nice to be gone tbh

[proud gorge]

including the temporal bubble

[pulsar dune]

that mod is annoying as fuck

[fossil mural]

Is that the guy who called ben a tourist

[karmic gust]

well its also super squishy :d

[proud gorge]

eh, a well-built Wardloop is very tanky, when its loop is going

[haughty gale]

could be path of math if he gets charge removal out

[fossil mural]

Just dont get hit

[proud gorge]

but a ton of things break the loop and thus make the build suddenly kill itself

[haughty gale]

if block worked against charge removal I wouldnt have a problem

[karmic gust]

thats just recovery but your max hits on all those builds are actual ass

[pulsar dune]

yea, I roughly know the counterplay for it

but still, it's nice to be able to actually use endus

[proud gorge]

your max hit should be pretty good, since Ward applies to every hit

[haughty gale]

or just some way to counterplay it for builds that actually use charges and cant just use ralakesh

[proud gorge]

like, not insanely high

[pulsar dune]

the counterplay is generating charges fast enough

[proud gorge]

but it's definitely not what I'd call squishy

[fossil mural]

Actually bullshit. It even says in the tooltip it makes it so blocked hits dont trigger on hit stuff

[pulsar dune]

and killing enemies

[karmic gust]

yea thats just flat max hit, and you cant rly build mitigation

to not brick your own build

at least for phys

[haughty gale]

test it for yourself dude

[fiery marsh]

Just build mana

[fossil mural]

I mean its gggs fault

[proud gorge]

fair yeah, like I said, it's not super tanky, but I wouldn't call it squishy either

[fossil mural]

Not that I dont believe you

[karmic gust]

that is not mitigation either

[fiery marsh]

Big number big mit

[proud gorge]

it has decent life, and a decent pool of Ward to reduce all hits by

[karmic gust]

i mean if something has deadeye max hits i will call it squishy

[fiery marsh]

Svalin said fuck yo mit brother

[haughty gale]

I mean, is it that wrong tho? you ARE gettign hit, you just arent taking the damage from the hit

[proud gorge]

does it? Maybe it's changed since I last played it

[jagged raven]

my 1st ever 50mil shipment

[haughty gale]

I would just change charge removal to say unblocked hits tho

[granite nexus]

What are you looking at playing for event?

[heady cliff]

a bit unlucky, but still okay

[proud gorge]

but when I played Wardloop its max hits were alright, like 8-10k, which is low but perfectly usable, especially with as high of recovery as it has

[fiery marsh]

F in chat

[hallow oak]

was about to press f before i saw the shard

[karmic gust]

i dont think im playing the event

so nothing :d

[proud gorge]

now 6k, or lower, that I'd call "squishy"

that's a squish build

[karmic gust]

well thats deadeye max hits

[fiery marsh]

Ci?

[jagged raven]

u should press F
i was hoping more

[fiery marsh]

Ci these balls

[heady cliff]

excuse me, who would give the light of scourge arrow to this league then?

[haughty gale]

the amount of content creators I've seen show pob's with around 6k max hit genuenly worries me

I am not sure how they are imagining this event

[fiery marsh]

Dead mappers

[proud gorge]

oh hey, didn't realize actual patch notes are out

lemme read through these

[fiery marsh]

Max hit isn't the best number fyi

[karmic gust]

like deadyee max hits are like 8-10k phys and like 24k ele or some shit

[proud gorge]

what do you mean, max hit is the number

[finite quail]

They're pretty good

[karmic gust]

or maybe 30k depends

[fiery marsh]

Recovery and mit

[karmic gust]

and all wardloop builds kinda fall into same category as that for max hit

[fossil mural]

Block specifically says "blocks harmful on hit effects"

Id call charge removal a harmful on hit effect

[proud gorge]

both recovery and mitigation are nice to have, but neither replaces Max Hit

I wrote up a whole thing about it a while back

[fiery marsh]

Just stacks life. Falls over. Guys I have 30k max hit

[karmic gust]

mitigation is part of max hit

[proud gorge]

Max hit is the most important number, followed by some combination of recovery and avoidance

[fiery marsh]

Recovery is the most important

[split pagoda]

some1 said charge removal was being added to the list right?

[proud gorge]

you can patch insufficient recovery with avoidance, you can patch insufficienc avoidance with recovery, but you can't patch insufficient max hit with anything

[fossil mural]

Max hit isnt the same as hp pool

[fiery marsh]

You will be hit. When is the question

[haughty gale]

I dont think that's what it says, the wiki says this "Blocking is a layer of defense that will entirely prevent damage from an enemy hit unless modified by some outside effect like Glancing Blows."

[fossil mural]

Who

[viscid sedge]

New Pherica "mini-league" is set for only 2 weeks? Was it becasue there is a new league coming or why?

[split pagoda]

idk I just saw it in here briefly but couldn't follow up on it at the time

[fiery marsh]

Block is mit duhr

[proud gorge]

block is avoidance

[haughty gale]

3

[dusky void]

ok doing a test run for herald of thunder league starter and storm brand atm with galvanic field for single target feels great already can hit 50% shocks

[haughty gale]

and will almost definitely get at least a week extenson imo

[fiery marsh]

Block deez then

[proud gorge]

it's a bit of a thing, since people sometimes use "mitigation" to refer to avoidance

[karmic gust]

you can patch insufficient recovery with avoidance until you hit t17s then you cant and you have to solve recovery as well :d one of the reasons why bow builds are just so unfun atm

[proud gorge]

yeah

[viscid sedge]

prayge 😄 I don't have time to finish my build otherwise

[split pagoda]

anyways ac got hit pretty hard

defo doing boneshatter and not slams now

[fiery marsh]

Yeah I just call it all mit. Tho it ain't right

[haughty gale]

and beheamoth is still shaite unless I missed something

[proud gorge]

but yeah, if you think recovery and avoidance are more important than max hit, then I encourage you to play the game with 90% block and super high recovery but 4k max hit

[fiery marsh]

Big max hit build still die to dumb stuff fyi

[proud gorge]

it, uh, sucks ass

[haughty gale]

isn't it actually weaker now that it has neither auras or warcries?

[gleaming linden]

Came here to see how many people mad about no ruthless

[heady cliff]

i played scourge arrow ballistas PF

[haughty gale]

nobody sane

[fossil mural]

Read a bit lower, in the mechanics section. But I am sure its written somewhere in the game?

[gleaming linden]

Lmao they finally gave it up

[heady cliff]

with, eh, 5-6k life/es recovery/s iirc?

[fiery marsh]

How do just have 4k max with that much investment?

[stark lichen]

Haven't read notes is it a "fun detected" patch notes?

[proud gorge]

Muph, if you have above 27k phys max hit you literally cannot die in a single physical hit to anything in normal gameplay

[heady cliff]

it was okay

[stoic horizon]

the 3 ruthless fans are

[haughty gale]

regardless we can agree that charge removal should not go through block

[karmic gust]

well SA ballistas also can get pretty decent max hit

[proud gorge]

easily? A lot of builds can do that

[pulsar dune]

You can use stances and curses and such now

[heady cliff]

and BERSERK

[fiery marsh]

But shaper gonna slam my feared ass

[heady cliff]

[haughty gale]

theres no way thats more damage than warcries no?

[split pagoda]

also I think I like oshabi now

the eva stack node seems pretty damn good

[pulsar dune]

I don't think anyone was planning on manually clicking warcries

[gleaming linden]

Still counts as a hit bozo

[heady cliff]

eva stacking is not very good by itself

[proud gorge]

particularly in Phrecia with the dodge/spell dodge wildspeaker. I saw builds running around last phrecia with like 200k eHP but 4k phys max hit

[karmic gust]

yea if they are removing useless stuff like less aoe and reduced aura effect then might as well remove the actual brick mods too

[heady cliff]

this node makes it playable

but not broken

[proud gorge]

or worse

[split pagoda]

It'd be on an es build, with eva ontop

[heady cliff]

does not matter tbh

[proud gorge]

I once saw a dodge/spell dodge wildspeaker running around with an amazing 2k phys max hit

[heady cliff]

it is not an opopop build, just a viable one

[haughty gale]

eh reduced aura effect really fks with some builds

[pulsar dune]

But it does kinda force you into strikes

[proud gorge]

on poe.ninja

[haughty gale]

but yeah charge removal definitely needs to be gone 🙏

[split pagoda]

Yeah it's not op but strong for sure

[fossil mural]

Surely 95 dodge is good

[karmic gust]

its additive with inc aura effect so the builds that actually care about it it usually really doesnt do anything evne if you lose 1 breakpoint

[heady cliff]

less good than you expect

[split pagoda]

On like an EE build it'd give you like 600% inc dmg

[fiery marsh]

Remove deez nuts

[proud gorge]

like, at that point you're just going "yeah I have dodge, spell dodge, block, and spell block, so I'm just going to hope and pray that nothing gets through before the end of the map"

[heady cliff]

i'd rather have 6000 recovery than 95 dodge

[proud gorge]

the most softcore defenses

[fossil mural]

Slap block on top. You can probably do that right? Altho poe1 doesnt have pure eva shields right

[karmic gust]

like i pretty much only play sublime builds and the amount of times reduced aura effect even scaled caused me to die was exactly 0 times

[split pagoda]

and ee builds sorely need inc dmg

[fiery marsh]

8 billion mana

[gleaming linden]

Honestly less recovery is so ass cause when you juice its 100%

[proud gorge]

avoidance without max hit is a very softcore "defense"

[stoic horizon]

i paid for 6 portals im gonna use 6 portals

[karmic gust]

yea less recovery is brick mod

[haughty gale]

pure evasion shields? yes it does

[spare ore]

pure evasion sucks

[split pagoda]

it also has decent synergy with aul, getting you slow immune/ailment immune/30ms

[opal ingot]

its also the most based defense

[heady cliff]

you are not 12 portal gaming?

[stoic horizon]

thats some advanced strategies here

[heady cliff]

how would you even take out all the loot from the map in this event

[fiery marsh]

Void or no balls

[fossil mural]

Oh yea nvm

[heady cliff]

double the portals, double the loot

[gleaming linden]

Yeah hybrid eva/armor always felt rlly good for me in poe1, as long as i had fortify and endurance charge uptime

[fiery marsh]

Double the portals. Triple the fun in void maps

[spare ore]

fact

[fiery marsh]

Remove void, bricks my build

[gleaming linden]

Poe2 really needs fortify for life builds

[split pagoda]

I'll prob try pobing EE/eb oshabi but I'm not very optimistic since EE builds all look awful these days

[fossil mural]

Or just life on defences nodes

[split pagoda]

aside from abusing retal ignite

[fiery marsh]

Poe2 bad. Ew

[heady cliff]

i am getting baited on selfcast fishing arc surfcaster

pls stahp me

[haughty gale]

now this is big brain

[gleaming linden]

Nah like just make fortify life only and it could fix it without life tbh

[spare ore]

poo2*

[fiery marsh]

Gottem

[fossil mural]

Pee1*

[modest depot]

@split pagoda edge or eblade?

[spare ore]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-rock-throwing-gif-3095471689337470556

[fiery marsh]

Poe2<d4

[modest depot]

cuz edge is a t0 that shit is cooked

[gleaming linden]

Bro poe1 has been downhill since settlers

[stoic horizon]

starts reading "fishing" yeah thats bait

[gleaming linden]

Sorry i dont want my nostalgia shit on

[fossil mural]

Cant overcorrupt smh

[candid moon]

At least type in correct channel 😭

[haughty gale]

hasnt poe2 had less retention with every patch?

[heady cliff]

fishing rods were only like 2d early in the phrecia they say

[haughty gale]

theyre both kinda downhill

[fiery marsh]

Poe1>d4

[gleaming linden]

Temple killed retention :( but no abyss was actually very good

[split pagoda]

both but yes I forgot EE was t0 now lmao

[fossil mural]

Uugh no

[haughty gale]

I was surprised after the failiure that was synthesis they thought synthesis two but more annoying with broken loot would be a good idea

[fossil mural]

Its pretty much the same as abyss I believe? Or even better

[fiery marsh]

Bricked up playing Xbox all day!

[gleaming linden]

They only want like 2 months retention rn anyway

[karmic gust]

synth wasnt even that bad

[leaden mural]

I haven’t seen any cyclone builds. Is there an ascendancy that thrives with cyclone for Phrecia?

[fiery marsh]

GGG fine with 10k retention

[haughty gale]

tbh I dont remember it that well

[split pagoda]

I'm probably not doing a 2nd build this event anyways, bleed boneshatter ac all the way

[stoic horizon]

i remember enjoying synth

[gleaming linden]

Im taking about the slope, abyss held on to players a bit longer while temple pushed away a lot of people week1-2

[fiery marsh]

3 weeks is too short

[stoic horizon]

maybe except the overturned mobs but thats a ggg classic

[gleaming linden]

The temple exploit pushed a lot of people away ngl

[haughty gale]

I mean keepers made me quit in a week and a half so maybe it's plenty

[fiery marsh]

Mirror at 2500d pushed me away

[gleaming linden]

Druid is the reason this poe2 patch was successful at all

[haughty gale]

wait is that happening in poe2?

[gleaming linden]

Try like 7k

[golden moat]

anyone knows how much is this puppy early?

[fiery marsh]

Probably 10k now

[haughty gale]

damn

[gleaming linden]

Idk keepers was so bad imo

[fiery marsh]

Inflation ramped super hard and GGG was at Xmas and couldn't fix it fast enough. Shoulda banned fubcuck

[gleaming linden]

I agree

[split pagoda]

Wat

Ban for what lmao

[gleaming linden]

Ban fubcuck

[haughty gale]

what annoys me the most is how little it would've taken to make it good, just lower the modifier tier rating on tree and remove the defense nobody asked for

[fiery marsh]

Holten exploit

[gleaming linden]

Stop letting him manipulate your game and how people play it to this extent

[split pagoda]

That wasn't an exploit

[gleaming linden]

Its literal market manipulation

[fiery marsh]

That was an exploit worse than ritual

[split pagoda]

People have been resetting zones for decades

[gleaming linden]

If you cant comprehend how its an exploit dont bother bro

[opal ingot]

so an oversight from the devs

[gleaming linden]

Yes which people exploited

[fiery marsh]

Oversight my ass. They giga buff temple then leave for 3 weeks

[split pagoda]

The exploit was an overleveled player being able to get in through a party

[solid laurel]

The age old debate of the word exploit

[gleaming linden]

Fubgun knew he could capitalize on them being on vacation

[wispy comet]

i like seeing all these buffs but it makes me think now we're never going to get the option to do phrecia ascendancy private leagues like they had originally mentioned

[solid laurel]

Exploit doesn't mean bug exploit

[split pagoda]

Which fubgun didn't do to make his temple

[gleaming linden]

Hes a scumbag dude

[fiery marsh]

Ban fubcuck like empy

[solid laurel]

I think it'd be a net positive if fubgun was banned, but he hasn't done anything really to warrant it lmao

[split pagoda]

I'll never stop finding people crying over fubgun and other streamers funny

[solid laurel]

Someone would fill his position right away I assure you though

[fiery marsh]

He exploited div cards in poe1 when they dropped too

[gleaming linden]

I have no idea the kinda shit streamers like him do behind the scenes

[split pagoda]

Yes you would just hate the next streamer lmao

[solid laurel]

Makes my builds cheaper

[gleaming linden]

You think he ever mades a mid league guide without having tabs full of gear to sell for it

[fiery marsh]

They didn't Ban anyone. Yet they banned for the ritual exploit

[proud gorge]

hmm, well, I might try Polytheist again, if only to level to 90

[solid laurel]

That was more egregious

[proud gorge]

I really want to make Abberath work

[fiery marsh]

A clear oversight similar to abyss

[opal ingot]

if not him, then the next streamer. at least since fub posted it and he has a wider audience, more people can get in on the action, which can be its own bad thing when so many people are fucking up the economy

[stoic horizon]

light radius stack login

[solid laurel]

When common sense is in the room still, it's obvious what exploits should be penalised and what shouldn't

[haughty gale]

I dont see how that is immoral

[proud gorge]

like, it'd probably be Abberath, Ralakesh, Lunaris, then, uh

[fiery marsh]

Fubcuck was dropping multi mirrors in temple and isint banned

[proud gorge]

some fourth thing

[opal ingot]

so... would you rather have a small percentage of the elite gatekeeping knowledge about a giga money strat or share it to the audience and potentially fuck up the economy further with more people in on the action

[proud gorge]

I mean if anything Polytheist used to be better at light radius stack

[opal ingot]

i have no idea which is better

[proud gorge]

they actually lost a bunch of light radius

[split maple]

why do i think all of this could go to poe2 channel

[fiery marsh]

Chris put the video out already.

[haughty gale]

plenty of people choose to keep their builds secret, some choose to reveal them and use it as a short term reward for their discovery I think its fine

[opal ingot]

yeah it should xd

[gleaming linden]

The problem isnt ban him for loot its ban him for always promoting economy breaking farms directly to the players on large scales

[opal ingot]

but the discussion is more on exploits in general.. i think??

[stoic horizon]

yeah but back then it was garbage, now its.... at least not a total meme

[fiery marsh]

Chris woulda banned his ass 4 months

[proud gorge]

swapping their small nodes from 10% light radius 5% defenses to 5% light radius 10% defenses, so they lost like, 15-20% light radius

[opal ingot]

if a big streamer abuses a money making strat and shares it to the audience

[gleaming linden]

He literally manipulates markets with a build guide that isnt even good

[opal ingot]

what do you do

[split maple]

i still dont understand what even is supposed to be exploit there

[bright viper]

Ban the audience

[split maple]

or even in general

[solid laurel]

The real problem is GGGs slow response to market breaking strats

[gleaming linden]

Chris probably would have banned him by now

[fiery marsh]

Remeber when he made a hh in a day and seer was fixed sudden

[split maple]

like fuby doing boxes doesnt mean he is exploiting boxes

[gleaming linden]

At least a suspension

[stoic horizon]

anyway light radius stack pyroclast sounds like a viable build, maybe not the strongest but viable nvm the wand only adds to attacks

[opal ingot]

if the build guide isn't even good, then it's good on you because you can use an actual good build that isn't fucked up by fubgun's soldiers

[finite quail]

not really

[fiery marsh]

Fubcuck is a strain on poe. Ban him

[finite quail]

its not a net positive

it would only be a net negative

[fiery marsh]

Empy got banned for less

[gleaming linden]

Fubgun is an all around negative affect tbh

[finite quail]

GGG would be looked at in a bad light over it

and someone else would take fubguns place

its a lose lose scenario

[opal ingot]

genuinely i'd like to hear what you think about this

[finite quail]

There will always be streamers who show the most expensive or best strats because that is what gets the most attention

[opal ingot]

are fubgun builds good? then it's good for the audience bad for you because if you so happen to follow a similar build then your prices are fucked

[finite quail]

Nothing's gonna change that

[split maple]

i kinda like how easy leaguestarting is due to fuby - hit hideout, check his guides, start cranking out overpriced crapo

[fiery marsh]

Ban em all. Exploits in a trade league should be perma banned just like rmt

[solid laurel]

Yeah, I wrote after that someone would immediately replace him and I think the real issue is ggg slow response to patching economy breaking stuff

[opal ingot]

if it's bad, then how r u mad if fub fucks up your build's economy ?

you play a bad build?

[finite quail]

Fubgun isn't even the problem here

[pulsar dune]

Half the crafters in league craft fubgun gear

[opal ingot]

for chase uniques, that's just a given

[proud gorge]

I could definitely figure something out yeah, honestly the main reason for me is just Abberath's Fury getting 100% more damage for free

[finite quail]

If fubgun is in the wrong for it, so is every other streamer doing the exact same thing

[gleaming linden]

I dont follow build guides bro that shit is so lame

[proud gorge]

like, it's still going to be weak

[fiery marsh]

Ban em all. Clearly an exploit

[finite quail]

And that's just too big a problem

[opal ingot]

so what's the problem if he makes a bad build? it doesn't affect you in anyway

[pulsar dune]

Fubgun does heavily affect trade economy

[proud gorge]

I do think actual Abberath's Hooves could really use that same buff tbh, just slap 100% more damage with Abberath's Fury on there

[opal ingot]

for profit crafters, at least you know where the money is at

[fiery marsh]

He abused abyss and never got banned. Meanwhile empy reports a bug and gets banned

[gleaming linden]

Do you seriously only think entry level?

[split maple]

okay can someone pls clarify to me exactly what strat fuby was doing in like last 3 poe1 leagues could be called exploit? his stuff seemed pretty vanilla to me

[gleaming linden]

How it affect you directly?

[finite quail]

no need to be a huge asshole bro

simmer down

[proud gorge]

it wouldn't be broken, and honestly probably wouldn't even be that strong, but it would be something at least

[fiery marsh]

Seer

[karmic gust]

make abberaths hooves get more damage from dot multi

[pulsar dune]

Fub was playing harvest this league

[gleaming linden]

Im so tired of the argument “well does it directly affect you”

[karmic gust]

1% dot multi = 1% more hooves damage

[fiery marsh]

He was the 1st to seer cards before it got fixed

[gleaming linden]

Idk bro try some critical though and you’ll understand how it affect everyone

[fiery marsh]

Made a hh in a day. Probably rmt it

[proud gorge]

could be nice, and then makes it way better act doing actual ignite things like it's supposed to

[opal ingot]

u talk about fubgun manipulating a market with a "bad build guide". if you use a build similar to him, you admit to using a bad build, which is on you if you struggle

if you use a build that's not in any way similar to fubgun's build, then it just means you're mad at the audience for "deliberately following a bad build". but the same audience does not care because theyre still following him like sheep anyway

that's what im getting at here

[pulsar dune]

??????

[proud gorge]

currently Abberath's Hooves are supposed to be ignite-based, but they do so little damage that they're only useful if your build needs a technical ignite for some mechanical purpose

[gleaming linden]

He just gets the inside scoop from the chinese community , cause they find all the bugs and exploits

[fiery marsh]

Fubcuck is the worst streamer every. Openly rmts

[grizzled lily]

has fubgun posted his build yet

[proud gorge]

rather than, like, a real ignite

[pulsar dune]

If he was seering cards he didn't have to rmt

[split maple]

fuby guides are a godsend

so much easy shit to craft and overprice

[pulsar dune]

That setup was genuinely broken

Tho I think he was just farming tamings

If I remember the drama correctly

[fiery marsh]

Fub gun rmt a hh day 1. No ban

[somber thistle]

How long will this league last?

[opal ingot]

yeah back when i was a fubgun soldier following his builds, it was easy to follow and gave me really fast farms, compared to when i jwas cooking up my own shit mixing up build from poe.ninja

[gleaming linden]

Fubgun manupilates the markets so hard if you arent crafting for his builds you make less money

[pulsar dune]

HH day 1 is pretty attainable

[stoic horizon]

if you mean phrecia event, 3 weeks

[golden moat]

no, but its gonna be an oshabi wander i can tell u that

[gleaming linden]

Amd im not playing his builds, so my byproduct crafts make less money

[fiery marsh]

If your an rmt streamer

[somber thistle]

Lol only 3 week sadss

[gleaming linden]

Just 1 example

[pulsar dune]

People do it pretty reliably without rmt

[grizzled lily]

finishing campaign day 1 is

[somber thistle]

Super sad 3 weeks come on

[grizzled lily]

not hh

european times are rough for poe, 11 pm league start, 4 am in maps, alr falling asleep

on my chair

[lucid gale]

Legacy of Phrecia Event dates in https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3907351.
3.27 itself lasts until shortly before 3.28, stated "to launch early March" in https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3905372.

[split pagoda]

fubgun usually doesn't get hh day1 but yes it is possible to get hh/mb day1

[stoic horizon]

real

[gleaming linden]

He literally got it from seer

[somber thistle]

Zao, how come the league lasts this little?

[gleaming linden]

They patched seer like day 2

[opal ingot]

that may be, but for the profit crafters, tehy have to compete with a bunch of million other profit crafters

with more competition

[lucid gale]

Events tend to be more short-lived than leagues.

[fiery marsh]

He literally exploited seer day 1 and went off stream

[gleaming linden]

Bro what

[opal ingot]

im not the best profit crafter, but i don't find my gear selling well when i tailor it to fubgun's builds since im fighting with competitive prices

[grizzled lily]

millions what

[gleaming linden]

If that was true the items wouldnt be more expensive than everything else

[fiery marsh]

Next day he comes on has a hh

And seer exploit is fixed

[pulsar dune]

So he didn't rmt?

[somber thistle]

But this precia is much better than all your other true leagues ahaha

[frigid wedge]

been a minute rick

[flat lynx]

Why are people complaining about the Behemoth, it's way better now? At least you can use berserk, petrified blood and I think aspects? :P

[grizzled lily]

prob like 1000 other people crafting fubguns build actively but not millions

[pulsar dune]

But just hid his farming strat

[opal ingot]

i mean exagerration, but the fact is if you profit craft for a popular guide, it is inevitable you will have more profit crafters doing the same competing with your prices

[fiery marsh]

He obviously rmt and exploited

[pulsar dune]

Tho again, I think he did tamings, not seer exploit

[opal ingot]

obviously not a million XD steam poe1 peak doesn't even reach a million iirc

[split pagoda]

@lucid gale are u able to confirm if the random mods in the event are area-locked with like an hourly reset, or if they're random per instance?

[frigid wedge]

generic slammer ascendancy that got warcries taken from it

[split maple]

rly depends on balance between supply and demand

[gleaming linden]

Poe1 been kinda shit lately

[split maple]

and like most folks will do weapons and shit

do jewels

[pulsar dune]

HH would be one seer exploit map

[gleaming linden]

Feels like they take more than they give and phrecia doesnt excite me

[lucid gale]

Can't tell you anything that's not from the posts.

[tawdry olive]

if you're really into it, the key is to start crafting in between the release of the initial guide video and the inevitable crafting guide video

[flat lynx]

Ah yeah true, warcries are gone, my bad.

[split pagoda]

alright fair I had to try

it's my biggest question mark rn

[gleaming linden]

They should just rename poe1 to

[frigid wedge]

ppls main issue w behemoth also got singled out and left in

[opal ingot]

so really, i dont really see how not profit crafting for fubgun builds will result you in less money when in all my experiences making the best money, it's majorly on items taht isn't the most famous, but also not that obscure

[gleaming linden]

Mageblood Game

[pulsar dune]

Why would he rmt? Seer exploit made like 1k div per hour

[opal ingot]

jesus christ man is figure of spech dead or what

[pulsar dune]

That's what I'm confused about

[flat lynx]

What do you mean by singled out and left in?

[gleaming linden]

And nobody was banned

[opal ingot]

i make a joke about the player count and i get taken literally

[gleaming linden]

Or rolled back

[pulsar dune]

People did get banned for seer exploit

[gleaming linden]

Like this league was a joke with economy management

Obviously not fubgun tho

[pulsar dune]

Yes, because fubgun didn't do seer exploit

He farmed taming cards

[gleaming linden]

Idkkkkk

[pulsar dune]

Which was also really really good

[gleaming linden]

Are u talking about poe1

[frigid wedge]

ppl wanted auras and autoexertion, instead they let u get spells, kept in no auras and took away warcries

[gleaming linden]

Crazy how fubgun manipulates the market in both games

[pulsar dune]

But it was more day 1 HH numbers, not day 1 every single T0 unique on the market numbers

[gleaming linden]

So we dont even know which we are talking about

[pulsar dune]

In POE1, seer exploit was IIRC necropolis.

[gleaming linden]

There was another seer exploit this poe2 league

[pulsar dune]

Or whenever they deleted the div card kirac mission

Oh

Yea idc about poe2

[gleaming linden]

Ya you need your mageblood fix i feel u

[fossil mural]

I mean, they did release a difficult mechanic to profit from with several hidden mechanics. Once they buffed the temple people flocked

[grizzled lily]

wildstrikes of extremes

[stoic horizon]

at least now you can use blood rage, non aura reservation skills and stuff like ambush

[pulsar dune]

The only interesting part about poe2 to me was the support gem system which seems to not exist in the form I found it interesting

[gleaming linden]

Wheres this “flock”

[fossil mural]

What did people do lmao

[gleaming linden]

Its just whoever remained when to temple

[opal ingot]

how the heck is fubgun "intentionally manipulating" with his build guides. he makes a build, people flock and swarm to it.

[frigid wedge]

ye its still kinda eh

[gleaming linden]

See what i mean, entry level thought

Even after i answer the question

[fossil mural]

Nope, you can see after the update concurrent went higher than all other updates for like couple weeks

[opal ingot]

please, do elaborate

[gleaming linden]

I did already

Convo has been done

[fossil mural]

Surely he knows by now his influence lmao

[opal ingot]

is it the one where you mention about him posting a build and because of that, so many people follow his build that prices skyrocket around the items he sell? and because of that if you don't profit craft his items majorly, you earnn less profit?

[fossil mural]

It seems so bad now

[gleaming linden]

You must follow fubgun

[opal ingot]

i think he does, but what is the alternative to what he does? he just doesn't post a build guide?

[gleaming linden]

Did his stream help u not be broke?

[opal ingot]

i did for 3.24 to 3.25, second half i do inof, 3.26 i did bama, in 3.27 i did kboc jung

[gleaming linden]

Is that why ur riding it

[opal ingot]

3.23 actually

to 3.25

[fossil mural]

Its purely up to him to exploit that or not. Sekhemas speedrunner made a couple vids and +3 to skills jewel went from 8div to several hundred. He didnt bother buying that shit and then reselling. Idk if funbad does it or not doe, I am just saying

[grizzled lily]

fubgun lowkey pisses me off

[fossil mural]

Heyyy guuuys

[grizzled lily]

NOOOO

[gleaming linden]

If you genuinely cant see the negative affect he has on the game, especially in recent leagues, i dont even know where to start

[opal ingot]

oh, not the exploit thing, im mroe focused on his build guides

[stoic horizon]

log innn duuuude

[gleaming linden]

You obviously dont understand how important market integrity is

[fossil mural]

I meant exploit in as abuse the opportunity

He knows items will go up in price from his guides

[opal ingot]

ah isee, i get you know

[fossil mural]

Its his choice to use that to get currency or not

[grizzled lily]

its possitive if u know how to capitalize, right now especially with idols being harder to craft by monkeys, tou can make the same ones hes doing in hisnyoutube videos and twitch

[gleaming linden]

He knows 20% of the playerbase will use his leaguestart

[grizzled lily]

just make a setup for gold

idols wise

[fossil mural]

So does everyone else

[grizzled lily]

buy idols from faustus

[gleaming linden]

Bro im not logging into phrecia lmao

Im just talking about poe

Hoping the next season is good

[fossil mural]

I want to play cold snap tbh

And idols with async will be good

[grizzled lily]

tea but youre not path of exile either @gleaming linden you are not bleeding if he profits, uoure better off profiting off him

idk why youre bleeding so much over poe economy, this sint america and its economy to be upset

we got ssf

[modest depot]

https://pobb.in/5A1VYYIGwbn8 just click grace on paladin early and u get 77% evade

[fossil mural]

Its still kinda crazy just how much influence youtubers have over the game

[gleaming linden]

I dont want to fubslave and nobody should have to

[modest depot]

cant die if u never get hit

[fossil mural]

Is linking minions actually good btw?

[grizzled lily]

then play ssf and not care ab economy bro

[fossil mural]

Link reaper with hh

[grizzled lily]

or move to hc

[proud gorge]

there's some powerful link effects yeah

[grizzled lily]

its like over every game bro

[proud gorge]

and being able to link minions without that one specific unique is nice

[fossil mural]

Not really

[proud gorge]

the main benefit of the link change is just letting Paladin more easily run actual link builds in singleplayer

[grizzled lily]

if you people cry and scream that fubgun is the problem, then youre the problem, cause u could be better and do your own stuff instead of comparing yourself

[proud gorge]

instead of either being forced to multiplayer aurabot, or being forced to use that one unique

[gleaming linden]

An actual free market like this is very rare in other games

[gleaming linden]

Makes sense right? Its just not the case

[grizzled lily]

real life has the same stuff………

[fossil mural]

Irl sucks

[gleaming linden]

Idgaf about real life rn

Are we talking about real life

[grizzled lily]

you are kinda in too deep bro

[gleaming linden]

Im not even mad ur just

Scared of swear words i guess

[grizzled lily]

its just a game you know

[opal ingot]

i know that he has such a massive audience that any video build he does, builds skyrocket, which is why i have from time and time get scared if fub (or a popular streamer) make any videos about a farming strat i do or uses an item that is in my build due to the fubgun effect.

but other than that, it's not really anything malicious he can do in terms of posting a build guide. he just has such a massive community that it's a side effect, and not a malicious thing.

it can be scummy if he decides to stockpile on items that are cheap that he plans on selling once his more recent builds go out but inevitably, it's just purely him profitting and not his theoretical secret circle of insiders where he tells them the scoop before he sends out the build guide.

i just want to clarify that just because your famous and you drop a build guide, it's not an evil or malicious thing at all if prices skyrocket, unless your suggestion is that once you reach a massive enough audience, you stop posting build guides so you don't fuck up the economy of some itemse?

[gleaming linden]

Whoa

I aint ur english teacher bro

Thats my queue to leave

[stoic horizon]

holy we essaying now

[grizzled lily]

it is tho, you are scared of the economy collapsing harder than the brokers, fubgun is the reason why you should make money right now, not lose

[opal ingot]

man seriously you piss me off. i try to make a conversation here but you just call me an idiot, stating that i don't read your points when i clearly made responses to it and if i clarify that i do you just ignore it and go to the next detail, unless i missed somethign? then tell me where

[silent leaf]

[opal ingot]

im leaving

[gleaming linden]

I dont want to do fubmeta

[opal ingot]

this convo

[silent leaf]

he hears you call his name

[gleaming linden]

How hard is that to understand

[silent leaf]

[grizzled lily]

then move games

[brazen vector]

[gleaming linden]

Brother relax with the paragraphs

[opal ingot]

which btw i made a response to

[silent leaf]

[grizzled lily]

its not like without fubgun, you cant run your map

[brazen vector]

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-side-eye-squint-suspicious-gif-3917824356590302780

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-side-eye-squint-suspicious-gif-3917824356590302780

[stoic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[silent leaf]

ay

stealer

[brazen vector]

Yoinkkkk

[stoic horizon]

yoink

[grizzled lily]

fubgun made me so much money with the blight scarabs flipping heh

[gleaming linden]

Im not trying to insult you honestly its just stop replying like its creative writing

[stoic horizon]

more cat gifs to my collection

[opal ingot]

fub build guides bad ? doesn't affect your build prices
fub build good ? pray you don't use his builds
fubgoon soldiers making his shit expensive so if you dont profit carft his gear you earn less money? not a problem. ive stated exaples of me earning good money without explicitly selling shit he advertises

[brazen vector]

Just play your own shit and dont give a fuck about fubgooners, play ssf

Its not that hard

[gleaming linden]

You guys completely miss the point here

[grizzled lily]

people calling fubgun profits not good are just scared to make a wand just like his and flipping

[gleaming linden]

I do this already

[opal ingot]

what the hell is your point?

[modest depot]

im officially hyped but i feel like they gonna just dumpster every idol sometime in the next 24 hours after i planned so much pob

[opal ingot]

im trying to respond to each point but you just mysteriously just say "you guys just dont get it"

[gleaming linden]

Im already making my own build, crafting my own gear

[golden moat]

streamers are bad for the game but also good for the game, its an interesting paradox

[tight plinth]

wut

[stoic horizon]

holy treasure trove

[grizzled lily]

you miss out on the fact that irl has the problems, rothchilds, black rock, ai bots being better brokers than people, those are the fubguns you should be worries about

[silent leaf]

350+

[grizzled lily]

lol

[gleaming linden]

But the bottom line is i will be less successful in a league economically if i dont pay attention tk what fubgun is farming/crafting

[brazen vector]

Real

[gleaming linden]

Its that simple

Im not some new poe player

Ive been here since beta, you guys think all these “solutions” are new to me

[golden moat]

hes not new guys

[gleaming linden]

Obviously im doing my own thing if i feel this way

[grizzled lily]

have u ever farmed your own stuff tho? its so easy to farm whatever you need to farm to make money, fubgun has nothing to do

[gentle chasm]

so he should know that fub is just the current name

[gleaming linden]

But i dont want to play ssf

[stoic horizon]

obv he is not new, he is rick

[fossil mural]

Some people cant find the LOGIN button without him

[wooden elm]

We playing video games for fun in here?

[gentle chasm]

stuff like this always happened

[brazen vector]

I never pay attention to fubgoon and still make my 3 mirrors a league, grow up and find your own niche

[gentle chasm]

no lmao

[hoary scarab]

fun?

[gentle chasm]

we play for number to go up

[wooden elm]

Oh no, I am dissapointed in the poe community for the first time ever.

[gentle chasm]

if someone elses number go up faster then its unplayable

[fair pulsar]

how is this the first time

[tight plinth]

my poor economy 😭

[stoic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[gleaming linden]

I have a gf for fun, i play games to tickle my aspergers

[opal ingot]

maybe less but if you dont do profit craft on fub shit, there are still a MILLION niches you can get in to profit craft

[hoary scarab]

this is a pvp game smh

[wooden elm]

Was looking away earlier

[gleaming linden]

Basically lmao

[golden moat]

"i played since beta 🤓 and my opinion is always right cuz Ive played every day for 12 years 🤓 "

[opal ingot]

and a lot of em are REALLY good money makers

[fossil mural]

And its not even a competitive game

Those are a cesspit

[silent leaf]

its a pve game

[tight plinth]

but my economy tho?

[silent leaf]

also trade players and their problems lmao

[pulsar dune]

Every market game is pvp. You don't have to engage with that aspect if you want to do all content, but it's there and it's strictly more profitable to engage with it, by a pretty margin

[grizzled lily]

funny thing is, every streamer having its own community just makes sure that EVERY build and strat is expensive, frostbolt/kboc was just as popular as normal kb deadeye this league, we even had a jungroan kb build, being upset at just one person isnt really that fair

[brazen vector]

Yea, us ssf players dont care about all that pointless market stuff

[silent leaf]

as arc raiders has told me

if you dont want to engage on pvp

then dont

[opal ingot]

and let's just assume the hypothetical you REALLY need to do fub profit crafts because you want a 10 to 20 mirror build, then if we assume fubgun doesn't exist, then it's just the next big streamer posting his build guide and you HAVE to profit craft his shit (im assuming here that having to follow the most popular streamer is a must to earn dozens of mirrors)

[grizzled lily]

who invented the smite build on 3.26 tho?

[golden moat]

schrodingers fubgun

[grizzled lily]

everybody jumped on it

[opal ingot]

i think it was rue

[grizzled lily]

the es stacking

[gleaming linden]

Smite isnt new tech

[grizzled lily]

one

[grizzled lily]

have u even played last league bro

[opal ingot]

its just a weird shit to get pissed at fubgun for

[tight plinth]

im happy with my build, where my league at

[split maple]

you mean who swaped skills on ee trickster to smite

[tight plinth]

time to fail miserably achieving said build

[gleaming linden]

Keepers was shit i quit at 91

Boring ass league ngl

[brazen vector]

The smite build was just 3.25 ls build

[opal ingot]

you can get mad at him for sharing holten tech, or for him doing scummy stuff (if he does actually stockpile on items he plans to share in a future build guide), but getting mad at him for virtue of being one of the most popular streamers is just stupid to me

[gleaming linden]

exactly its just smite aura effect stacking

[grizzled lily]

who made the decision to switch, i think it was that guy, the one that made the blight strat public

forgot his name

it was mathil for sure

[split maple]

prolly everyone who saw ls nerfs?

[gentle chasm]

people hating on fub are pretty smoothbrain ngl

[split maple]

like it wasnt a hard decision to make

[grizzled lily]

not everyone went smite of divine judgement league start besides ruetoo eith ailments

[split maple]

"okay ls is nerfed whats the next lightning skill that multihits"

[opal ingot]

in fact if it is as he says, then what's the problem checking on a fub video to know what items are good to sell?

if he doesn't exist

the njust check the next poopular streamer

or scroll poe ninja

[split maple]

coz tricky needs a day or so to get es gear first

[opal ingot]

what items you can profit craft

[split maple]

so you went ps mines and stuff

[gleaming linden]

Thats my issue with poe1 now, the skill balance is so shit its just cycling what is known to work and calling it new

[grizzled lily]

GUYS WHAT DOES QUINN69 PLAY, HES GOT LIKE 40 THOUSAND PIPAL WATHCING

[gleaming linden]

Even after ms nerf its still cracked

[grizzled lily]

xdd

[gentle chasm]

some form of bleed

probably eq

[brazen vector]

39 thousand view bots

[gleaming linden]

They dont even know what to do with poe1 anymore

[frozen night]

So for the phrecia event, is there any reason to not just run Herald heraldstacker?

[grizzled lily]

oh my god yea if ai takes over, hell be the first one killed

his tts is crazy

[opal ingot]

at least with him, the information is spoonfed to you

[split maple]

i think thats going to be acceptable day1-2, any gear which i am overestimating how easy is to get? https://pobb.in/4nh04N168p2m

[opal ingot]

contrary to scrolling poe ninja, checking most common items and weighing the difference between the prices, the variability and the demand

[gleaming linden]

Quin is an engagement streamer

[silent leaf]

BLEED BONESHATTER AC

[opal ingot]

checkign fubgun all that information is spoonfed to you

profit is GUARANTEED

[gentle chasm]

isnt that every streamer???

[hoary scarab]

yeah, everything else is better

[brazen vector]

Yea

[opal ingot]

as longas you do it early

[gleaming linden]

Yes and no

All quin cares about is chat engagement now

[opal ingot]

but like, the thing with profit crafting is you have to do it early if an item is in demand

[grizzled lily]

hole custom config gaming

holy

[hoary scarab]

hole

[split maple]

Well go add Phrecia ascends to pob

[grizzled lily]

hole

[hoary scarab]

just use 3.26alternative tree

[brazen vector]

[grizzled lily]

im at work on break

idk how to use pob.cool

[split maple]

That would be more dmg

[grizzled lily]

on phone

[gleaming linden]

I just miss when streamers promoted theory crafting, now its just “i made a new build!!!! Gear in my sell tab <3”

[silent leaf]

[split maple]

Wasn't then ele mastery still stronger?

[lone night]

🕳️

[fossil mural]

Ragebaiter*

[split maple]

• 3.26 alternative doesn't have ascend buffs

[brazen vector]

And no bloodlines i think

[fossil mural]

Are bloodlines in doe?

[split maple]

Oh wait I can remove 5 points coz I droped ES gear

[split maple]

They are in standard too

[hoary scarab]

easier to custom config bloodlines tbh

[brazen vector]

Keepers league is base

[split maple]

They aint a keepers thing

[hoary scarab]

bloodlines are a core thing

[gleaming linden]

Bloodlines were super disappointing to me

[haughty gale]

can't inflict exposure and hexproof are also still in, and rf has no chieftain to lower res now

[gleaming linden]

A minion player dev made bloodlines for sure

[fossil mural]

I know, but they are changing ascendancies and stuff

[fossil mural]

My thoughts too

[brazen vector]

I think its time for you to take a break from poe, plenty of other good games that you probably wont hate as much as poe

[hoary scarab]

architect of chaos with chaos bloodline login

[fossil mural]

Double corrupted ascendancy KEKW

[gleaming linden]

Brother bloodlines disappointed a lot of people

And thats the comment that makes u say that

[brazen vector]

What's the brother bloodline

[split maple]

Bloodlines are ok imo. Farul is prolly universaly too strong, breachlord also is too usable. Situationally trialmaster, aul deli are interesting. Others are kinda meh

[gleaming linden]

Weak bait

[split maple]

Nice concept tho

[hoary scarab]

65% reduced souls used and 70% reduced soul gain prevention

is great

[gleaming linden]

I LOVED the concept

I was super excited for them

Then like…. Ok thats it

[opal ingot]

i think it was overhated, but the bloodlines were better than the first impressions stated

[fossil mural]

Delirium bloodline has a dodgeroll = instantly best ascend

[fossil mural]

Olroth saw like 0 play

[hexed mountain]

People were disappointed by bloodlines because they are wrong about how they view them.

Bloodlines arent competing with your best points but your worst and are made for builds with no decent last lab

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-violin-boohoo-sarcasm-sarcastic-gif-287286086050988918

[haughty gale]

the only bloodline I give a fk about is the aul action speed cannot be modified below base

[gleaming linden]

Like if im playing a slayer what do i give up for a bloodline

[haughty gale]

dont have to play jugg or trickster now

[gleaming linden]

Overleech? 20% cull?

[split maple]

i am forcing farul absolutely everywhere

its so comfy

[pulsar dune]

Slayer is obviously not the target audience for bloodlines

[golden moat]

new goratha build just dropped https://pobb.in/pgGUxNAwiwZ4

[hexed mountain]

Nothing because bloodlines were not made to powercreep on ascendancies but for ascendancies without a good 4th lab.

[opal ingot]

lycia herald stuff, aul for t17 protection, farrul being farrul, aul nodes, nameless 3 ring shit

[silent leaf]

unironically won't behemoth be the biggest abuser to farrul

lmfao

[pulsar dune]

You have one bad node and even that one is decent.

[split maple]

oh i forgot lycia, yeah its giga

[opal ingot]

that's the ward one right? i think lolcohol had a kf on that

[fossil mural]

For builds*

If an ascendancy has no good 4th lab thats a much bigger issue you cant just wave away

[gleaming linden]

Ok and which of those ascends is actually meta since bloodlines

[pulsar dune]

Jugg

[gleaming linden]

What bro jugg was always meta

[opal ingot]

yeah

[split maple]

honestly the only bloodlines i dont like are catarina and oshabi, other feel allrite, maybe a small numerical nerf to farul stuff

[brazen vector]

Chaos and aul on a lot of stuff, lycia too

[split maple]

hiero

[pulsar dune]

Ah, you mean like that

[gleaming linden]

Hiero coc and mana stackers

[fossil mural]

Oshabi should always remove elusive at 100%

[hexed mountain]

Farrul saw play, chaos saw play, lycia saw play. ( In termd of most popular ones)

[brazen vector]

But you wouldn't know since you quit at level 91

[hexed mountain]

Oshabi too

[gleaming linden]

Im talking about base ascends

What base ascends are actually better with bloodlines

[split maple]

sabo + farul is underrated combo, taking 2p in each

[grizzled lily]

jugg

[gleaming linden]

Other than minion builds

[hexed mountain]

Depends on builds

[scarlet jacinth]

Very curious how well manaforged will function compared to how it did last time in original phrecia

[gleaming linden]

Like ya theres a couple but like

[split maple]

man i think 90% of bloodline users dont give a fuck about minions

[grizzled lily]

elementalist became even more popular cause of lycia

[gleaming linden]

Overall bloodlines still felt underwhelming for the hype

Thats all

[split maple]

slapin a raise spectre into any build is now acceptable

[hexed mountain]

Elementalist is meta with lycia

[split maple]

doesnt make it minion build

[brazen vector]

All templat ascendancies are better with bloodlines

[hexed mountain]

Hiero and necro also went for a bllodline

[gleaming linden]

Mfs prolly think i hate this game but i just feel like the shine is gone

[fossil mural]

Minion? Minion

[brazen vector]

Move on then

[gleaming linden]

Settlers was the last time i had fun playing poe1

[split maple]

league is kinda ass ngl

[hexed mountain]

Ascendant also likes bloodlines generally

[split maple]

but bloodlines aint bad

[gleaming linden]

I did lol i played merc and keepers to like 90 and quit

[split maple]

so you did tutorial in merc and keepers

[opal ingot]

merc was hella fun

[split maple]

like honestly i get hate on keepers, merc honestly was fun

[fossil mural]

Aura bots arent fun

[gleaming linden]

Im not depressed over it i just miss the older poe1

I feel like the quality has been a lot lower since poe2

[fossil mural]

Cruicible

[signal herald]

Hi is kiracs vault ending soon?

[gleaming linden]

Crucible was soooo underbaked

[hexed mountain]

I think its not a poe2 problem but that they have issues making new mechanics when they already did everything

[gleaming linden]

Could have been amazing but the mechanic itself was so bad

[brazen vector]

Necropolis

[fossil mural]

My core memories about poe1 is flask nerf, kalandra and cruicible mobs not dropping loot

[gleaming linden]

Necropolis was dogshit lol

The only cool thing was the jewelry crafting

[opal ingot]

that's just the nature of you playing any game for long enough, i personally being a new player coming from 3.23, i think the game still is peak poe. while 3.27 league mechanic sucked balls removing midgame progression, breach walls crapping your movement skill and weakier endgame farming

it still gave you async trading which was a god send, bloodlines while not living up to the hype, were hella fun. swapping toa bloodline and seeing visible improvement in performance due to aul or farrul was fun

[pulsar dune]

If Necro was released in its week 2 state it'd be good

[hexed mountain]

At some point after 13 years of 2-3 leagues a year its a bit complicated to pull out a fresh new mechanic without it being niche or complicated

[gleaming linden]

Agreed

[brazen vector]

So you just dont enjoy leagues, I see

Btw settlers is in standard

[pulsar dune]

But the early mess was obnoxious to interact with

[fossil mural]

Same with 0.4 in poe2. I feel like this is exactly what happens when you dont have the manpower

[gleaming linden]

Btw settlers core update took a fat shit on settlers

[brazen vector]

It made it better

[gleaming linden]

Ok bro

[grizzled lily]

bro stopped mining, almost hit diamonds, thats how good mercs was for me

[opal ingot]

maybe to you, but building up my merc, taking advantage of uniques usually not used and searching for item combinations for merc giving you buffs, and then swapping to doryani and ramping up the res to -200 was hella fun to me

[brazen vector]

I can recommend anno games if you enjoy town building simulators, sis

[gleaming linden]

Mercs almost got me ngl

[fossil mural]

Settlers still have timegated shit eww

[gleaming linden]

But i wasnt feeling lightning skills again

[hexed mountain]

Also cool merc abilities and soul eater

[opal ingot]

and i wasn't even using the best farms due to bama's nature being unable to run that giga alva strat

[grizzled lily]

affictive gameplay tbh i played like 5-10 builds

on mercs

[fossil mural]

You lost me on doryani 😂

[gleaming linden]

Ya

[hexed mountain]

Prismplate merc was goated

[gleaming linden]

Doryani league

[brazen vector]

Wormblaster mercs my beloveth

[gleaming linden]

I played a flicker in keepers and i had fun playing the build i made but like

I just got bored

[grizzled lily]

flicker with the tower defence breach

vomit emoji

[gleaming linden]

Defend breach every map was super gay

[opal ingot]

i mean, i just have fun when i see better performance

[gleaming linden]

I wasnt dying

[opal ingot]

that's all there to it

[gleaming linden]

Flicker was actually super easy for the mechanic

[fossil mural]

New breach is absolutely horrible. Wave defence just doesnt really work for arpgs imho.

[opal ingot]

im not some guy who enjoys making a specific interaction work combining 15 different uniques to make a new thing work. while that can be fun, i just enjoy blasting

[brazen vector]

[gleaming linden]

Agree

[leaden quiver]

harbinger is absolutely broken

[opal ingot]

at the end of the day ,3.26 gave us more player power, MORE QUANT, and definitely more farming strats than 3.27 xd

[leaden quiver]

cant wait to playh

[gleaming linden]

Harbi is fun

Poe2 needs harbi

[fossil mural]

Really? Why

Because node swap?

[split maple]

tho ngl if i have to run one more abyss in lighthouse i will jump outta the window

good league but i may have overplayed a tad 😄

[fossil mural]

In poo2 youd be doing random maps always

See? Better

[leaden quiver]

node swap is kinda bad, unless they buff visiting harbis to no limit

[gleaming linden]

Bruh and like honestly who thought to remove charge buffs

[leaden quiver]

but yeah its busted only because runegraft of the warp is in the game

so you can get 60% slower buff expiration

[hexed mountain]

Expiry rate buff. You get ultra easy beacon of madness with an ascendancy already insane for impending doom

[leaden quiver]

which is 150% more duration of buffs on you

that includes shrines, hh buffs, charges

adrenaline

or you just go beacon with impending doom if you want yeah

[gleaming linden]

I thought they made hh buffs unaffected by duration

[hexed mountain]

100% inc AoE impending doom and explode + poison on hit will go super hard with foulborn hekm

[gleaming linden]

That was a big thing after betrayal league

No more self chains hh

[leaden quiver]

oh yeah sorry, not hh

[fossil mural]

They were too universal imho. Like everyone just wants end charges, its boring.

[leaden quiver]

but shrines, charges

[grizzled lily]

3.27 took strats from us

[leaden quiver]

any temporal auras

[grizzled lily]

breach ate my strat

[fossil mural]

Divination flask pog

[leaden quiver]

smite lasts 35sec in my pob xd

[fossil mural]

Which one kekw

[grizzled lily]

they were eating my defence syndicates

[fossil mural]

Vaal smite with good uptime does sound interesting

[grizzled lily]

just one wall remaining

[fossil mural]

Lmao no shot

[gleaming linden]

They need to give fortify somehow, maybe use endurance charges to grant fortify for a duration

[grizzled lily]

like a rust griefed base

[fossil mural]

Insane

Never heard of this

[modest depot]

i forgot about the meme skill

why does it do more damage than my main skill in a 4 link

[leaden quiver]

because its op

[karmic gust]

because pob is not counting the dps correctly

[leaden quiver]

its very clunky though

[gleaming linden]

Generals cry blade flurry dodging nerfs since generals cry came out

[karmic gust]

nah its just wrong number

[modest depot]

yeah i put right config

general's cry has -3 to maximum number of mirage warriors

[grizzled lily]

bleed dps: 1.9k

hit dps

424 mil

[karmic gust]

ah alright