a lot of AI is used in computing, I'll agree with that
#1┃general
pliant hamlet
frigid wedge
bc the modern way people see ai is entirely negative and they ignore mob ai etc
proud gorge
wow this table of contents is AI
haughty ermine
microsoft copilot helped me find the tts software so the tts is ai
soft perch
i still dont like listening to tts/ai voices
pliant hamlet
Neural Networking AI or generative AI is the "evil" ai to most people
frigid wedge
microsoft copilot helped me find the tts software so the tts is ai
i swear microsoft legally requires 50% of their workload to be done using copilot now
pliant hamlet
Just saying something as broad as "all ai is bad" sounds silly lol
proud gorge
if you think old school TTS is AI then you either have a wild misunderstanding as to what old school TTS is, or a wild misunderstanding as to what AI is
frigid wedge
Neural Networking AI or generative AI is the "evil" ai to most people
ye im aware of the diff, but ppl are gonna hear its ai and assume that the entire voice over is written and given audio by ai
personally don't care but it gives ppl the wrong impression atm
pliant hamlet
Yeah, that's fair. People have gotten very aggressive to the word "ai". Anything that uses an algorithm on a pc has pretty much been called "ai" for the last 30 years or so
It's odd to see the term redefined over the last 3 years
proud gorge
okay, but again, old school TTS doesn't even use an algorithm
there is no definition under which old school TTS is AI
it's just also really shitty
pliant hamlet
most people on the internet disagree. Why do you say that? I'm pretty ignorant on how TTS works
proud gorge
since it's just completely guessing at phonemes
frigid wedge
on a sidenote, i feel like magefist is very good at SEEMING bait at first glance and then not being
proud gorge
again, I'm not talking about modern TTS, which tends to be AI-driven
frigid wedge
<:ScuffThink:982924933107687474> most people on the internet disagree. Why do yo...
old tts is someone records a bunch of phonetic sounds etc and then a database of those sounds is accessed to output the text as an audio
proud gorge
I'm talking old school TTS, which just has a lookup table for phoneme pronounciations of common words, a set of prerecorded phonemes, and guesswork
it sees a letter and attaches a phoneme to that letter
pulsar dune
(at the same time, AI-driven TTS is pretty much strictly better at TTS than anything you can do by prerecording phonemes)
proud gorge
yeah
pliant hamlet
again, I'm not talking about modern TTS, which tends to be AI-driven
yeah I've seen elevenlabs stuff and the other one I'm spacing on atm and boy...that shit is scary. You can sound like anyone in seconds lol but yeah that's definitely not what old school tts is. I agree with that
frigid wedge
yeah bc it can access videos etc
proud gorge
if there's one genuinely good use for AI, it's improving TTS pronounciation, since ultimately old school TTS was really bad at picking phonemes
pliant hamlet
It's very good at impersonation. Which is super worrying ngl
proud gorge
well sure, but that's not really what I'm talking about, that's still generative AI
I'm talking about, like, AI-assisted TTS, where it's still using phonemes but the AI is able to smooth out the phonemes and pick better phonemes
steady elk
that makes sense i suppose considering that my first character took almost a week to finish campaign and my second took 1 and a half days
stoic horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox5dubgkiu0
pohx not playing scav pog
frigid wedge
my issue w the modern ai is that very little its used for is a good thing, its used to make porn, do peoples jobs for them, and help ppl ignore education
steady elk
my issue with ai is that people make dogs dancing with them and i can't afford ram because of it
frigid wedge
on paper its a good idea but when you consider how a. horny and b. lazy the general population is irs almost net negative
stoic horizon
my issue w the modern ai is that very little its used for is a good thing, its u...
as a parson who wrote a whole midterm using gemini yesteday i agree 
proud gorge
AI-assisted TTS is genuinely a good use, because it's legal (typically trained on easily obtainable in-house data) and genuinely improves TTS as a software. It does still have the issue of expensive training costs, but ultimately those are pretty low by comparison to stuff like generative AI
pliant hamlet
my issue w the modern ai is that very little its used for is a good thing, its u...
I like it for learning ironically. It's very good to teach niche subjects.
frigid wedge
yeah
frigid wedge
I like it for learning ironically. It's very good to teach niche subjects.
if its teaching u, thats less of an issue, but ppl be using it to skip the learning entirely
proud gorge
AI-assisted TTS, and protein folding research
pulsar dune
I like it for learning ironically. It's very good to teach niche subjects.
honestly, every time I ask a vaguely niche question of AI, it's like 80% wrong
wheat sinew
if its teaching u, thats less of an issue, but ppl be using it to skip the learn...
Now that's depresso
frigid wedge
dude u ask ai for difficult math stuff and it just fucking misinforming u
proud gorge
those are both genuinely good uses of AI that actually improve industries and make things better
frigid wedge
i am hella scared of ai educated generation
mfw my brain surgeon got his degree w ai
lmao
pliant hamlet
AI-assisted TTS is genuinely a good use, because it's legal (typically trained o...
Hmm, I think we'd absolutely have called this AI in 2000s. The fact it has any heuristics at all lends it towards "ai" in common parlance
stoic horizon
mfw my brain surgeon got his degree w ai
oops accidentally lobotomised you sorry
crisp plinth
but grok said brawndo is what plants crave
split pagoda
AI-assisted TTS, and protein folding research
well it also has good uses in research for alot more than protein folding
proud gorge
Hmm, I think we'd absolutely have called this AI in 2000s. The fact it has any h...
what, AI-assisted TTS? Because yeah, that's undeniably AI
proud gorge
okay well you would have been wrong lmao
frigid wedge
the fact that the tiktok generation and ai generation are the same people gives me minimal hope for the future workforce
wheat sinew
i am hella scared of ai educated generation
it do be terrifying the things I've seen people submit as their code reviews (ai generated) or some projects and confidential jnfo that's been used xDDD
proud gorge
under absolutely zero valid definitions is old school TTS "AI"
unless you just think "computer talking = AI"
pliant hamlet
No, I think computational algorithms = ai
proud gorge
but like, I wouldn't call that a valid definition
again, it has no algorithms
it's just lookup tables
frigid wedge
<:kek:1045021806144262244> it do be terrifying the things I've seen people submi...
i mean, code is the least concerning thing bc at least you know where shit is now programmers make their code the exact same way ai would, they just steal lines from other ppls stuff till it works
lucid gale
Guess who has two thumbs and bought a bad item on trade?
frigid wedge
you?
proud gorge
you have two thumbs?
frigid wedge
damn
pliant hamlet
Guess who has two thumbs and bought a bad item on trade?
That guy! WOOO! 
lucid gale
proud gorge
nice
lucid gale
Was gonna craft on some quick minion damage as it had an open prefix, I thought.
frigid wedge
where bad
pliant hamlet
1 anull away!
heady cliff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox5dubgkiu0
pohx not playing scav pog
relying on flask for explosions...
heady cliff
sounds... not very good
wheat sinew
i mean, code is the least concerning thing bc at least you know where shit is no...
I mean sure it's just sometimes it's spaghetti-fied salad of more spaghetti
lucid gale
WeaponCasterDamagePrefix
heady cliff
also foulborn rathpith
wheat sinew
And it's pepe pain
heady cliff
I mean sure it's just sometimes it's spaghetti-fied salad of more spaghetti
WTF VAALED NAME
wheat sinew
Bros got the power
pliant hamlet
Just hit the anull, 50/50
suff can't be changed, anull, ez game
then foulborn exalt +1 all
just a like 1/5000 to hit lol
wheat sinew
then foulborn exalt +1 all
Or +23 stun threshold
pliant hamlet
lucid gale
I'm just gonna run with what I've got, it's a slight upgrade from the previous one, that's for sure.
pliant hamlet
haha my GSF has ruined me. We go for way too many wild high risk things
because @wheat sinew over here keeps fucking hitting
wheat sinew
proud gorge
but yeah, I do find it super funny that there have been basically no actual developments to the code behind "AI" neural nets in over a decade. Chatbots like Cleverbot are built on practically the exact same code, and the memory problem was unsolved for ages. And it's still unsolved.
pliant hamlet
Giving us false confidence
wheat sinew
Hahaha and we always hit (after 200+ fails)
Like the amount of 1/3 we failed
cries
lucid gale
Ever forward, sometimes learning.
wheat sinew
Btw iksy did ya ever craft the focused
frigid wedge
i feel like im gonna regret my build choice in the event league very quickly
pliant hamlet
but yeah, I do find it super funny that there have been basically no actual deve...
It's interesting digging into it. There's a few other potential solutions that aren't as brute forcey as neural networking but no one wants to invest into it
pliant hamlet
Btw iksy did ya ever craft the focused
I think I gave it to spikey or sasil?
pliant hamlet
That's pretty much why I gave up too. I put 2k into it and was like whelp
I don't want to farm chaos orbs
wheat sinew
I had so many I thought
pliant hamlet
not enough apparently lol
pliant hamlet
no 50/50s for you
heady cliff
but yeah, I do find it super funny that there have been basically no actual deve...
technically that 214206 citations transformer paper is mid 2017
split pagoda
but yeah, I do find it super funny that there have been basically no actual deve...
its largely increased training data/processing power but not only that tbf
wheat sinew
But yeah fun times
pliant hamlet
I want to play something expensive in trade if I go trade
pliant hamlet
I'm thinking soulreap bog shaman w/ nimis
Probably worse than pf but
lots of damage lol
pliant hamlet
yeah that's the idea
frigid wedge
reaping sucks ass
wheat sinew
Did they release the psych notes with the changes
pliant hamlet
Nope next week
wheat sinew
Pepepain
pliant hamlet
Hey there! No need for any petitions, we will have HC Trade, HC SSF, SC Trade and SC SSF leagues available. We were planning to announce these in a news post next week with other information relevent to the event but figured just get ahead of this one.
stoic horizon
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Hey there! No need for any petitions, we will have HC Trade, HC SSF, SC Trade ...
instructions unclear, petitions anyway
split maple
Folks making a panic that there is no hc trade in original announcement was kinda funny
Sad but funny
heady cliff
PATCH NOTES WHEN
split pagoda
Folks making a panic that there is no hc trade in original announcement was kind...
Ziz saying he was in contact with ggg confirming no hc trade didnt help
But ya it was too out there to not be some kinda miscommunication or w/e lol
pliant hamlet
Unless you watch every streamer, you're not going to get all the info now 😛
Easy to miss
split maple
Why do hc folks get trade in Phrecia if in gauntlet se don't get sc trade 
Double standards
lucid gale
The reddit response was linked in ggg-tracker at least, albeit sans content.
pliant hamlet
Ziz saying he was in contact with ggg confirming no hc trade didnt help <:kek:10...
oh that's teh opposite Lol that's so much worse
proud gorge
Hey, that's pretty funny. There's this one PoE1 content creator who I watched a couple of videos, but then when Druids came out they played PoE2, and was making PoE2 youtube shorts that I got randomly recommended. But now that Phrecia is coming out, they apparently swapped back to PoE1 content, and apparently as part of that is releasing a bunch of youtube shorts teaching youtube shorts watchers how maps and the atlas work
like "yeah these are maps, like other items you can roll them with alchs and they get mods"
I'm pretty sure they also work like that in PoE2, don't they?
wheat sinew
"so now let's talk about spreadsheets"
split maple
"now poe1 has something rly special - scours and alts"
"now listen this Will get very complex, but due to these you don't need to id ground loot anymore"
lucid gale
Game must've felt sorry, raw divine dropped from a chest a few maps later 😄
As Don said, click those chests.
proud gorge
also, man, the fact that there's like no C/R multipliers that you can attach to most skills between Lifetap and the 140%s is really making things costly for me
the point at which I can swap from Lifetap to some 140% multiplier gem is when it hits 429 life with lifetap lmao
pulsar dune
soulrend of the spiral is wild
leaden jacinth
Heyyo peeps
proud gorge
soulrend of the spiral is wild
highest mana cost (regularly castable) spell in the game
I need it to hit 200 life cost without Lifetap
well, not counting Corrupting Fever I guess, but that's not a mana cost
pulsar dune
nice nice
proud gorge
I mean, it's possible to do this build with some other gem, with Lifetap probably, but honestly Soulrend of the Spiral is actually pretty good for the build
projectile spell with seemingly infinite pierce, good synergy with returning projectiles, can shotgun
pulsar dune
yea, it's a good spell if you have some sort of return
frigid wedge
what are we doing?
proud gorge
the fact that it perfectly hits 204 life cost with its optimal supports is just perfect synergy
the Jiquani's Foulborn Kitava's Thirst Saboteur build I found on poe.ninja
CoC
frigid wedge
are we tryna make bog shaman coc
proud gorge
I mean, you could, it'd just be weird
proud gorge
clearly the secret is CoC Bog Shaman
cinder rock
so what are you guys league starting ?
frigid wedge
so what are you guys league starting ?
depression
frigid wedge
yeah
cinder rock
depression
noice
frigid wedge
im very likely to not enjoy what i decided to play
heady cliff
cats on crit.
split pagoda
so what are you guys league starting ?
AC bleed boneshatter probably
heady cliff
i might seriously start rf
or not, depending on patch notes
speaking of, PATCH NOTES WHEN
proud gorge
the only real MTX I'll buy is skill effect MTX, because that's the ones that are actually, like, visible, because what's the point of a character cosmetic MTX that you'll never be able to see in the middle of gameplay
but also since I never play the same build twice, I tend to pick skill MTX that will come up often, like Cyclone
but man, poor Flame Dash
the creation of Frostblink has been devastating for my Flame Dash mtx
proud gorge
oh man, look at the massive AoE on that RF
frigid wedge
the creation of Frostblink has been devastating for my Flame Dash mtx
unless u mean wintry i still prefer flame dash
stoic horizon
oh man, look at the *massive* AoE on that RF
"this build uses an impressive ammount of 4 unique items which is a sign of a niche build"
" made a total 10 fuses worth of improvements on this build" 💀
barren river
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EtaH8bPtQw
me too
frigid wedge
hi rem
stoic horizon
oh lol early access of poe1 was also supporter pack locked
proud gorge
but yeah, the fact that RF was originally intended as a temporary but risky spell damage boost does explain why it's original AoE was so tiny
barren river
yea, but fuck rf
wheat lantern
guys, how to search shaper items in market ? the starry backround items (ring,amulet), just want to vendor them for challange
proud gorge
or, more specifically, why it was the exact same size as the Aura indicator rings
stoic horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtISGgVpVw
meta never changed
proud gorge
why do you hate RF?
stoic horizon
first rf, then ls
steel light
"this build uses an impressive ammount of 4 unique items which is a sign of a ni...
is ice traps assassin a niche build? every gears are unique
proud gorge
like, I can understand not wanting to play it, but that's a lot of vehemence towards RF as a skill
barren river
why do you hate RF?
haha i don't have a brain i rely on hinekora node haha i can only play with one hand
steel light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwdiOdYfkI
that's just a wander
barren river
haha i don't have a brain i rely on hinekora node haha i can only play with one ...
amirite?
steel light
shit game, wander still works after 13 years 🚮
proud gorge
huh, apparently I got a Rain of Arrows MTX at some point
must have been a mystery box
well, that's as good a reason as any to force Rain of Arrows
frigid wedge
lmao
proud gorge
honestly I might even force Saturation, it's not that much worse than regular Rain of Arrows
frigid wedge
coc rain of arrows of saturation
proud gorge
like, Saturation is strictly worse for damage, but only by a little bit
karmic gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwdiOdYfkI
💀
onyx adder
That is a lot of mana multi
proud gorge
to be fair that's also a lot of More
proud gorge
also I find it funny that in the RF showcase Chris is like "yeah I had to reroll some of his gear for more sockets to fit his auras that he had in the weapon swap"
stoic horizon
is this from diablo 1? 🤢
ey dont dunk on d1
proud gorge
he had three auras
stoic horizon
that was one of the first games i played ever
proud gorge
and his Ambu's Charge has three sockets in it
people were poor back in the PoE alpha
they couldn't even roll 4 sockets
proud gorge
Chris like "yeah I spent about 10 fusings worth of currency rolling more sockets, but don't worry guys it was a copy of his character, I didn't spend all his money"
karmic gust
i was getitng a lot of these old vids recommended recently as well idk whats happening with the algorithm
proud gorge
ah I missed that message
karmic gust
but im not complaining
frigid wedge
Chris like "yeah I spent about 10 fusings worth of currency rolling more sockets...
i love that he didn't even have admin privileges to just do it himself
barren river
he also mirrored a white map
frigid wedge
lmfao
spice pecan
gigachad move tbh
frigid wedge
i love when pll be mirroring random shit for the mirror charge mtx
barren river
and he had 5m in his inv
potent horizon
@tranquil sedge cornucopia has been far more profitable for me even though i love crop rotation
elfin shale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwdiOdYfkI
Did they even have ascendancies back then
spice pecan
kornucopia is way more consistent but yeah the jackpots are way lower
potent horizon
yeah i agree i like the jackpots from crop rotation but i dont think im strong enough to do it properly to leave with 10k+
proud gorge
Did they even have ascendancies back then
They did not no, Ascendancies were added in 2.2
tranquil sedge
<@181747481565069312> cornucopia has been far more profitable for me even though...
Glad it worked out 😄
spice pecan
ascendancies didnt exist until literally 2016, wtf
potent horizon
i decided to come to my senses and drop kinetic rain of impact and just do KB its just night and day to clear speed
elfin shale
They did not no, Ascendancies were added in 2.2
What were they cooking then bruh
proud gorge
meanwhile that video is from, like... 0.9.11 I think
pliant hamlet
What were they cooking then bruh
The most powerful build for a majority of the early years was taryn's shiver / kaom's heart marauder freezing pulse
aka kripps build
most totem builds were shadow
your class just picked your starting place, that's all
before that everyone abused frostwall coc in some way
LA Coc, KB Coc, etc
proud gorge
iirc Ascendancies were contentious, because on the one hand they gave classes more identity than just "where do you start on the passive tree", but a lot of people were angry that classes were being "locked down"
pliant hamlet
Yeah, a lot of people were upset
It broke a lot of the freedom we had in the early days
spice pecan
the tree being krangled as fuck was more detriment to freedom than ascendancies imo
pliant hamlet
Oh absolutely, looking at 0.9.11 and 1.0.0 - 2.0's tree really shows how fucked the tree was
Some classes could spend 50 points escaping their "entry" area
Shadow in particular was really bad
spice pecan
still is
pliant hamlet
Bow builds were really funny, it was almost impossible to break 4k hp on them lol
proud gorge
yeah, funny that in the RF video he says the build goes "far afield" for passives, and it's Marauder going into the left side of Duelist
spice pecan
ye olde skillgrimage
proud gorge
me when I go far afield from Marauder to pick up Golem's Blood
pliant hamlet
I thought it was really funny when people were sad if their build got put on build of the week
because it always meant it was about to get nerfed lol
proud gorge
nothing's changed then lmao
elfin shale
Still true
elfin shale
The most powerful build for a majority of the early years was taryn's shiver / k...
Taryn's + Kaom's doesnt surprise me tbh
pliant hamlet
Projectiles were so much better back then
elfin shale
Almost every build ran either Kaom's or Shavronne's when i first started playing
spice pecan
why have any sockets in your chest at all, when getting a 5L was already hard as fuck
elfin shale
GMP used to be a flat 300% more damage multi lol
Could everything shotgun?
pliant hamlet
Yup
spice pecan
normal/cruel/merc/ruthless
pliant hamlet
I think Kripp's build got popular when act 3 was out yeah
nah this was after ruthless
Pretty sure we had piety then
proud gorge
I mean 0.9 had up to Act 2
0.10, the open beta, was Act 3
I found this 12 year old video of someone showing how to speedfarm merciless Piety
in Lunaris Temple 3
elfin shale
Is there anything funny you can do with permanent vaal clarity
spice pecan
you can have mana
proud gorge
I guess, archmage without mana cost passives?
Archmage a channelling skill or something
elfin shale
Archmage Reap
spice pecan
holy
knotty lynx
hello what is the difference of orginal and replica gear?
spice pecan
replica items are similar to the original but they are different
elfin shale
hello what is the difference of orginal and replica gear?
Theyre just completely different items mechanically usually
proud gorge
Replica uniques drop exclusively from Heist missions, and are typically modified and different
basically just a different item that's thematically related to the original yeah
elfin shale
Some are similar and then you have Replica Alberon's lol
All they have in common is what, %inc strength?
knotty lynx
isee cant use the replica of an item then because they dont have the same stats
elfin shale
Yeah
knotty lynx
thank you
i thought i can do that since the replica headhunter belt is much cheaper 🤣
stoic horizon
there is a reason its much cheaper
spice pecan
replica headhunter is also relatively useless
knotty lynx
yeah saw the difference
elfin shale
You can look at Inspired Learning for an actual budget headhunter (still a lot worse)
spice pecan
Don't say shit about my baby
i can and will
pliant hamlet
2x IL + MB is better than hh imo
spice pecan
proud gorge
wack, why are Int/ES Splits so cheap? They used to be mad expensive
elfin shale
2x IL + MB is better than hh imo
Wait you can have multiple?
proud gorge
is there some other Split that's really good this league?
knotty lynx
You can look at Inspired Learning for an actual budget headhunter (still a lot w...
i dont know what is this i started playing 5days ago 😂
wheat sinew
Just use new IL and be chill
pliant hamlet
doesn't say unique 😛
spice pecan
wack, why are Int/ES Splits so cheap? They used to be mad expensive
int/acc is the big one this league, and str/int is always spendy
stoic horizon
wack, why are Int/ES Splits so cheap? They used to be mad expensive
i think str es are more used now
proud gorge
ah, makes sense
pliant hamlet
same
stoic horizon
yea
wheat sinew
Cuz damn it changes the game for some items
elfin shale
I doubt they wont
They might get moved to a different mechanic, theyd fit in with heist for instance
Or theyll just change them to only drop from Breach bosses
/general breach content
proud gorge
yeah, I highly doubt they'd get rid of Foulborns, doesn't really benefit them in any way and it's just "free" content
maybe certain Foulborns might get changed though
or removed
spice pecan
breachstone items maybe
or breachstones drop the ancient gifts and you can maybe just rightclick them to open
stoic horizon
or just keep the boss encounter and have foulborns from chests in there
split pagoda
wack, why are Int/ES Splits so cheap? They used to be mad expensive
Traditional int/es stackers are basically dead and accu stacker uses a different split
split pagoda
Yeah they can still be really good tbh just not very popular anymore
proud gorge
I love playing things that are "dead" because then the gear is real cheap
like playing the meta skill the league after it gets nerfed, and it's still really really good but everyone's moved on to the new hype
pulsar dune
I mean, if you're playing int/es stacking you are competing with int/accu for quite a few slots
proud gorge
I mean, maybe, but I'm not really going for real int-stack helicals
the strongest version of this build on poe.ninja is running this thing
that's like a 5d ring
proud gorge
fun? tbh I don't know enough about Precursors to know how good/funny that is
spice pecan
triple power charge mod is pretty rare/cool to see
proud gorge
isn't Topaz always triple power charge mod
spice pecan
not sure
proud gorge
spice pecan
pseudo axle
yeah but there are like a billion bad mods you can get
bring back crucible trees
bring back gigalootsplosions
spice pecan
you will take your 3 alchemies and 13 wisdoms from the boss and you will like it
pseudo axle
you will take your 3 alchemies and 13 wisdoms from the boss and you will like it
I'll take my mirror ground loot from random t16
still can't believe that happened lmao
elfin shale
Well where else is it gonna drop lol
dusky urchin
Like
pseudo axle
the hundreds of gigajuiced tier 16.5s, and tier 17s I ran this league?
also, pro-tip, if you ever get azurite 'stuck' to your dude, type /oos
oos = out of sync, an old and useful command to get your character unstuck from stupid crap
tranquil sedge
Well where else is it gonna drop lol
expedition chests, betrayal rewards, etc
stoic horizon
oos = out of sync, an old and useful command to get your character unstuck from ...
good stuff
did delve this league and that was annoying
pseudo axle
its also useful when you get stuck on abyss
pseudo axle
expedition chests, betrayal rewards, etc
I got 3x hinekora's lock from a random expedition chest once 
leagues ago
stoic horizon
wonder if it could also fix the maven desync bug
pseudo axle
oos fixes a lot of things
elfin shale
Does anyone know how many overlaps Toxic Rain of Sporeburst can get?
karmic gust
same as regular toxic rain
frigid wedge
ah yes, my ideal helmet for the event
karmic gust
extra arrows do not rly change it
pulsar dune
ah yes, my ideal helmet for the event
planning to farm locks?
pulsar dune
the suffixes are pretty doable, prefixes tho
if morrigans are reasonably cheap you could probably get 2 prefixes
elfin shale
Does optimal TR hit with every pod?
Hmm
Is approximately 100% more attack speed worth 35% less damage and 2 supports
Probably? I think
spice pecan
i havent used TR in like 600 years
elfin shale
Hmm
Is approximately 100% more attack speed worth 35% less damage and 2 support...
If i go architect itll be only 1 support
Too bad architect bow sounds too jank
pseudo axle
what are the best budget grafts you can get for int/acc stack?
jolting eshgraft was one
what was the other?
split maple
Storming is nice
potent horizon
ah yes, my ideal helmet for the event
What does ward do I never see amyone use it
fringe idol
how do I get the POB for pherisha
potent horizon
Change it to 3.26 alternate at bott9m
fringe idol
ty ty
elfin shale
What does ward do I never see amyone use it
Its a shield like ES, breaks ENTIRELY when hit, no matter how much damage you take, recovery is not interrupted by damage, and it recovers to full all at once
The breaking entirely is why its not used much
fringe idol
What are the thoughts on these 4 skills this league as I was interested in each. Smite+Molten strike (Swapping as needed), PBrand of dissipation, Storm Brand, and Minions ect all.
I wasnt here last time and dont know what's good. I hear ground loot is OP but I have never been able to do uber juiced boss lane blight so Im not sure what to play.
pulsar dune
smite+ms for stackers is superceded by int/accu in most setups, but you can play cold smite slayer or smth. PBOD is good, storm brand is bad, minions are really good.
barren river
minion players are stinky poopoo idiots tho
pulsar dune
it's always wild seeing the price of minion gear
5 mod T3+ bone ring listed at the price of 3 magebloods and it's not actually even that unreasonable
spice pecan
storm brand is hilariously unplayable
pulsar dune
didn't someone do a 4 stone run with it?
spice pecan
level 40 storm brand deals 400 to 1.2k flat 
fringe idol
storm brand is hilariously unplayable
is the damage just that bad?
pulsar dune
it has 130% more on gem
pulsar dune
is the damage just that bad?
I mean, look at the numbers
fringe idol
the mechanics of it look mechanically phenominal if the damage was ok
does PBrand require explody to map?
spice pecan
it very much wants explode yes
pulsar dune
oh wait, does it shotgun at multi target?
fringe idol
I've never done a PBrand build before. Is it playable before you get the dissipation version
spice pecan
regular pbrand is kind of not worth playing imo
pulsar dune
can I play penance mark storm brand
spice pecan
but it's still probably better than storm brand sadly
pulsar dune
with chain support
fringe idol
I meant to level for 70-80 levels till you afford dissipation
pulsar dune
oh definitely wouldn't do that
fringe idol
play arma brand till you get there?
spice pecan
with chain support
siphoning trap doesnt even let you beam the same target from multiple traps
pulsar dune
that's a dot
spice pecan
play arma brand till you get there?
if you don't mind arma brand
fringe idol
I've never played brands and am excited to try
pulsar dune
of course it works like that, dots are just terrible.
spice pecan
wintertide brand is pretty fun for levelling imo
fringe idol
What are its key scaling vectors/best ascendancies this league
spice pecan
you see pbod on elementalist and inquisitor most, some tricksters and juggs
pulsar dune
you need a lot of cast speed and branch attachment range, past that you the remaining phys convert, ideally HH (or soul eater HH), phys as extra and such
the ele build is more of a herald of the hive build that uses pbod to fix single target, tho there is also a full on pbod ele
spice pecan
and pbod inquis is like, a sanctum build mostly
whole bluff
What's herald of the hives AoE?
steady elk
whew just beat maven's challenge for the first time
fringe idol
LFMAO the only cast speed node is 50% More while holding a fishing rod
steady elk
man that was hard
pulsar dune
you need increased cast speed, more cast speed doesn't work
spice pecan
oh if youre looking for phrecia, then i think surfcaster is the go-to asc for pbod
whole bluff
Surfcaster would definitely need a clear helper though?
pulsar dune
probably shock explosions of sorts
whole bluff
It's zoom zoom
whole bluff
probably shock explosions of sorts
Seems good
pulsar dune
and yea, you need some sort of explode to fix clear on pbod
pulsar dune
chest/nebulis/foulborn bereks or smth
spice pecan
you could maybe even do poison with foulborn embalmer gloves
pulsar dune
don't do poison pbod, apparently it sucks since it overkills enemies by a ton
since you keep the brand on the enemy long after it'd die from the stacked up poison
whole bluff
But then you're pbod poison so ramp on ramp with half dmg wasted
pulsar dune
yea, you can place a brand on each boss and get huge overlaps
steady elk
whew just beat maven's challenge for the first time
so what next?
spice pecan
uber elder
pulsar dune
with chain support
y'know what's the fucked up part about this, if I get the 4 targets to all chain to the real target, it's still only a 280% DE brand
fringe idol
How do you get to runebinder on surf caster?
spice pecan
How do you get to runebinder on surf caster?
just path
spice pecan
arma brand is 3x slower at 210% DE
i think arma brand is also mechanically less sound to play imo
whole bluff
Is storm brand 0.35s frequency?
spice pecan
it's 0.5 i think
pulsar dune
.5
whole bluff
Ah
pulsar dune
you need need to get near runebinder anyway since brand clusters are important
to get 7 max brands
fringe idol
looks like surf caster and scavanger was almost 90% of PBoD
pulsar dune
wait for patch notes before planning too hard
spice pecan
yeah
pulsar dune
since surfer is probably getting slapped
if surfer gets too slapped, probably lifestack bog witch
spice pecan
livestacking bog shaman probs gonna be expensive as fuk
pulsar dune
the apostate node is pretty absurd tbf
spice pecan
can go LL with the shavs node too
fringe idol
oh scavanger is going to get nuked. It was 20% last time 🙁
pulsar dune
hm, yea, IG scav is the actual move over bog witch (unless they change her uniques)
split pagoda
all the top scav builds got nerfed since phrecia tho
fringe idol
Scav has native explode so you can easily start it
whole bluff
Maybe they just let scavenger be, it's sorta awkward with bloodlines
But idk. I wanna see it get 4 labs
split pagoda
like I'm looking at the list of skills and it's literally all the top5 have been nerfed
On scav lmao
spice pecan
RF? pbod?
fringe idol
has storm brand been nerfed since last time?
whole bluff
If they nerf it and give it 4 labs, I'd consider it +/-0
spice pecan
has storm brand been nerfed since last time?
it was nerfed into the floor a long time ago
pulsar dune
yea, post affliction, got tapped by PBOD nerfs
which were deserved, affliction PBOD was pretty dumb
but storm brand was innocent smh
fringe idol
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/phrecia/character/mindigniter-1747/Brand_less?i=0&search=skills%3DStorm%2BBrand%26sort%3Ddps this guy seemed to have a pretty good one. It's about half PBrandoD but its damage isnt terrible
split pagoda
all these scav builds got nerfed in some way
spice pecan
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/phrecia/character/mindigniter-1747/Brand_less?i=0&...
pretty squishy build
fringe idol
hmm good point
fringe idol
https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/phrecia/character/Bristen_-6605/Pops?i=0&search=skills%3DPenance%2BBrand%2Bof%2BDissipation%26min-ehp%3D50000%26min-physicalmax%3D25000%26sort%3Ddps%26columns%3Dcharacter%252Clevel%252Clife%252Cenergyshield%252Cehp%252Cphysicalmax%252Cdps%252Ckeystoneskill what about this one? Obviously uber end game but It's a pretty decent scav build imo
whole bluff
How did scavs run RF?
split pagoda
I think based on current state of game vs phrecia, if they consider the nerfs that have already happened to various skills, AC, whisperer and surfcaster are the most likely candidates to get nerfed
spice pecan
How did scavs run RF?
cloak of flame and obliteration
spice pecan
that's an option, but i think almost free 100% phys to fire is too tempting
normal hedge
could be, but if pohx dont do it people wont try
split pagoda
I can see them maybe changing some uniques on scav
stoic horizon
cloak of flame and obliteration
you sure? didnt pohx run the shrine nodes?
whole bluff
Void battery is still insane on wands prolly
spice pecan
you sure? didnt pohx run the shrine nodes?
you can probably swap sure
split pagoda
That'd be the most clean way to "nerf" it if they wanted to while potentially introducing new interesting stuff
normal hedge
i'm pretty sure it was obliteration + chaos dmg can ignite
stoic horizon
yeah
spice pecan
abyssus is great for chain dying
whole bluff
And giga dmg
While taking basically no phys
Scavenger had this right:
- Chest
- Caster or martial weapon
- Ammy or ring
?
whole bluff
Yeah
1st node: 3 pts, second node: 3pts
So you couldn't get 2 weapons
Cuz you'd need 9 pts
stoic horizon
you get +2 passive points on 1st lab tho
fringe idol
Assuming they don't nerf scavanger or at least dont nerf the explode is PBoD a good way to play the league?
if I want to run blight content specifically
spice pecan
yeah, pbod can often be a bit spendy tho
stoic horizon
Assuming they don't nerf scavanger or at least dont nerf the explode is PBoD a g...
i'd play pbod on surf
spice pecan
so league starting it is generally a bit rough
tranquil sedge
pbod's got good single target so it'd work
but you better be prepared to craft some of your own gear at leaguestart
fringe idol
i'd play pbod on surf
my core assumption is that is going to get nerfed
normal hedge
you prolly wanna play pbod on bog shaman this league
fringe idol
you prolly wanna play pbod on bog shaman this league
why
spice pecan
life stacking good
normal hedge
nightblood or whatever its called its good this league
whole bluff
I think they should make it more interesting like:
- 1st lab left: glove
- 1st lab right: boot
- 2nd lab up left: weapon (connect to 2nd lab up right)
- 2nd lab up right: shield
- 2nd lab down left: jewellery (connect to second lab down right)
- 2nd lab down right: chest
fringe idol
yeah but then finding explode is tough
hard cliff
does armegedon brand have a post campaign niche?
whole bluff
If you can have a shield abyssus scav has no downside
But you need to combo them to get it, but for sure
elfin shale
But you need to combo them to get it, but for sure
Abyssus is also really good cuz you get Doomfletch
normal hedge
yeah but then finding explode is tough
body armour mod as always
whole bluff
Abyssus is also really good cuz you get Doomfletch
Doomfletch is kinda bad. But voidforge gets the crit multi
spice pecan
how do you auto cast the brand though
incursion trigger mod + arcanist brand
and 2 links for brand recall
elfin shale
Doomfletch is kinda bad. But voidforge gets the crit multi
Doomfletch on Scavenger i mean
The node
fringe idol
all of the tanky ones I am seeing use lightning coil so they have good max phys
elfin shale
You can run it with a fat phys one-hander
whole bluff
Doomfletch on Scavenger i mean
60% split isn't that huge, though could be good on some things
elfin shale
Big one-handed axe, dawnbreaker, cloak of flame, abyssus, SECOND cloak of flame, Doomfletch node, trauma support
hard cliff
Big one-handed axe, dawnbreaker, cloak of flame, abyssus, SECOND cloak of flame,...
LOGIN
elfin shale
60% split isn't that huge, though could be good on some things
Eh. Its basically 60% more damage if you dont have any Gain As Extra, which isnt uncommon i feel
steady elk
opinion on volanic fissure of snaking for the event league?
spice pecan
not great after it got nerfed in 3.27
barren river
Abyssus is also really good cuz you get Doomfletch
steady elk
😔
whole bluff
Eh. Its basically 60% more damage if you dont have any Gain As Extra, which isnt...
But if you go phys to ele, you should have extra
pulsar dune
You pretty much always have phys as extra if you go phys convert, yea
pulsar dune
It's one unique jewel and one gem technically
elfin shale
Not here
You can get 100% of phys taken as fire (if scav is unchanged)
So Abyssus has 0 downside
whole bluff
Elementalist with lycia can get like 250%, that is huge. Or voidforge
clear summit
Can destructive play drop any awakened gems or just low tier ones?
dusky marsh
Ιs poe 1 primary pc ? I think it has not good optimization on ps5
elfin shale
Can destructive play drop any awakened gems or just low tier ones?
Just the normal awk gems
dusky marsh
@clear summit what's your opinion ?
spice pecan
Can destructive play drop any awakened gems or just low tier ones?
there are a number of woke gems that cant drop
clear summit
<@594430438013927434> what's your opinion ?
Everything’s better on pc imo
whole bluff
Consoles have worse performance, less players and no cross progression in poe1. In poe2 at least you have cross progression so player count doesn't matter
barren river
Everything’s better on pc imo
You play RF == Opinion invalid nvm rf players can be intelligent
dusky void
Still no patch notes?
spice pecan
nope
dusky void
Why ggg
spice pecan
i dont get why ggg has been like this with patch notes the last few leagues
like dropping patch notes and passive tree 3 seconds before servers go live
whole bluff
Maybe they do the balance in a hurry last second
Djinner barely made it to patch notes in poe2
final owl
they're juggling 2 games now and i'm sure it's causing some level of difficulty staying on top of all of the things
dusky void
Currently my 2 league start ideas are either herald stack commander or lufe stack blight of contaigon bog but if they kill both im fucked i guess
whole bluff
Djinner was like an unrevealed bonus "oh, btw we didn't have it ready for reveal but here's a new really cool ascendancy"
proud gorge
Lufe?
dusky void
*life
proud gorge
lufestack
whole bluff
Loafstacker
hard cliff
Currently my 2 league start ideas are either herald stack commander or lufe stac...
wtf is lufe
ohhh life
lol
final owl
i mean u is right next to i
whole bluff
What if marauder gets a Baker ascendancy in poe2
spice pecan
Currently my 2 league start ideas are either herald stack commander or lufe stac...
not sure why theyd touch bogshaman or blight of contagion
whole bluff
Cook of Tawhoa
haughty gale
We're getting the patch notes day 0 aren't we -.-
normal hedge
nah
spice pecan
probably like 5 hours before it goes live
spice pecan
blight of contagion is a 1 button channeling build
haughty gale
its not
normal hedge
its a 2 button build
elfin shale
blight of contagion is a 1 button channeling build
One for Blight one for Contagion?
whole bluff
Ngl, I want a baker ascendancy in phrecia
proud gorge
ah, I just discovered why my builds was somewhat underperforming while levelling lmao
hard cliff
don't you have to use another skill to proliferate it?
haughty gale
blight of contagion feels really smooth even if its two button
fringe idol
is converting PBoD to lightning/fire for Foulborn berks respite the solution for explode?
normal hedge
single target sucks for 2voidstones but it scales fine
elfin shale
Contagion builds are really smooth for 2+ buttons yeah
dusky void
not sure why theyd touch bogshaman or blight of contagion
Bog is one of the best life stacker ascendancys EVER and with foulborn rathpithe for double increased dmg its going to become disgusting
proud gorge
turns out when I needed Lifetap linked to my Soulrend of the Spiral, it was spending so much life that I didn't have enough unreserved life left to cast the spells in my Foulborn Kitava's Thirst
spice pecan
ed/c is better for a 2 button build than blight imo
proud gorge
meaning even though it triggered the spells, they didn't go off
normal hedge
idk about that blight of contagion has insane clear speed
haughty gale
essence drain is clunky af
proud gorge
and thus didn't produce the life on hit
elfin shale
isn't blight a two button channeling build?
If you ever want to play a 3 button+ channelling skill you can do stormbind
spice pecan
we dont talk about stormbind
proud gorge
thus preventing me from instantly getting enough life back to cast another Soulrend of the Spiral
dusky void
essence drain is clunky af
Thats why i dont play edc instead i play blight
proud gorge
so my whole loop was kind of fucked up
elfin shale
we dont talk about stormbind
You couldnt stop me if you tried
spice pecan
im so sorry you subjected yourself to that
spice pecan
if i want to press more than one button i would play world of wowcraft
whole bluff
First player to reach lvl 100 was a streamer called Baker iirc. At least first person on HC. That's why we need a Baker ascendancy
final owl
i'm mostly happy if things actually die when i press the buttons
haughty gale
I think that says a lot
hard cliff
If you ever want to play a 3 button+ channelling skill you can do stormbind <:Po...
you mastered that for all of us
elfin shale
you mastered that for all of us
A master needs pupils
ocean field
if u have 150K armour can u effectively tank any phys hit in the game
dusky void
poe mfs when they hear they have to press more than one button
I think there very few exceptions where i can bear 2 buttons and i think blight contagion is one of them
elfin shale
if u have 150K armour can u effectively tank any phys hit in the game
Still dies to Shaper Slam
hard cliff
I don't mind multiple buttons if I can still clear white and blue mobs with one press
elfin shale
Thats like what, 1/10th damage uber shaper slam? Still need 4.5k life i think
ocean field
even without immortal call
ocean field
Thats like what, 1/10th damage uber shaper slam? Still need 4.5k life i think
ES build bro
I got 12K es
trickster btw
elfin shale
I mean yeah if you have a hit pool to soak it youll be fine
elfin shale
Still probably dies to mob shotgun projectiles without block
haughty gale
you will press two banners, three warcries, seven curses and 5 attack skills and you will like it dammit
split pagoda
Normal shaper slam is very easy to tank, Uber shaper slam takes some effort but doesn't deal insane amounts either
ocean field
dusky void
if u have 150K armour can u effectively tank any phys hit in the game
phys taken as end charges etc are FAR better thats only 20k armour
elfin shale
Normal shaper slam is very easy to tank, Uber shaper slam takes some effort but ...
Isnt uber slam 45k phys or am i mistaken
whole bluff
- Multiply dmg by 5 to get effective dmg as far as armor is concerned.
- Pool armor and effective dmg.
- The portion of the pool from effective dmg is the dmg percentage you take.
- The portion of the pool from armor is your phys DR from armor.
Iirc
elfin shale
Is your build even tanky if you cant take a Memory Game 
haughty gale
Is your build even tanky if you cant take a Memory Game <:vaalkek:13254629243486...
vaal arctic armour entered the chat
ocean field
phys taken as end charges etc are FAR better thats only 20k armour
yeah but that is not always active I do have 4 endurance charges tho
dusky void
yeah but that is not always active I do have 4 endurance charges tho
not always active? whjy theyre always active
tight plinth
what counts as maximum life? when you reserve life?
ocean field
not always active? whjy theyre always active
I mean through immortal call
whole bluff
yeah but that is not always active I do have 4 endurance charges tho
That does make a big difference. Armor and flat phys DR synergize extremely well
split pagoda
Isnt uber slam 45k phys or am i mistaken
Not sure the exact dmg tbh
ocean field
that sht is broken and I have no idea why more people dont use it
yeah game to hard for me
I always use that
idk why you wouldn't use that
dusky void
I mean through immortal call
i dont use that molten shell is more reliable better uptime and you dont have the squish after immortal call wears off and end charges didnt recover yet
elfin shale
what counts as maximum life? when you reserve life?
Your max without reservations
Some things will look at maximum Unreserved Life, which is after reservations, tho maybe thats only Archmage with mana
ocean field
i dont use that molten shell is more reliable better uptime and you dont have th...
yeah same I use molten shell as well
whole bluff
Iirc, uber shaper slam is like 27k top end
split pagoda
Around 27k phys maxhit is approx what seems to be needed
dusky void
Around 27k phys maxhit is approx what seems to be needed
if you hate tank yes
whole bluff
Normal shaper slam is like 95% of that /5×3
elfin shale
Iirc, uber shaper slam is like 27k top end
Dont worry in Phrecia you can get shaper with 50% inc damage and some gain as extra
haughty gale
yall should keep in mind that shaper this time will be enraged and will probably have map mods
dusky void
Dont worry in Phrecia you can get shaper with 50% inc damage and some gain as ex...
but gain as extra will be ele so easier mitigation
elfin shale
God i forgot abput the enrage too
split pagoda
if you hate tank yes
Wdym
haughty gale
God i forgot abput the enrage too
lock in
you better be moving like youre in the matrix
ocean field
yall should keep in mind that shaper this time will be enraged and will probably...
trickster can tank it EZ
split pagoda
Eh I think 27k phys max hit is very good tbh
spice pecan
juggernaut onetrick
dusky void
trickster can tank it EZ
why trickster?
split pagoda
Even as an hc player
whole bluff
Iirc, shaper can also crit slam
haughty gale
trickster can tank it EZ
I dunno uber uber shaper where three of them are slugging you at once will be rough
ocean field
why trickster?
iron reflex
barren river
also, i want abyss of snaking back
elfin shale
Gang i need a sanity check
Damage-Focused Bow Skill linked with MFA, Lifetap or alternative via uniques, 3 damage supports
Snipe linked with Faster Attacks
Does this work and is there anyone that's done it before
barren river
iron reflex
it's only good for doryani
ocean field
also CI
whole bluff
Which is just a random thing. They should make it another visual though imo. They discussed it in an interview
ocean field
it's only good for doryani
I am running doryani
barren river
JESUS
dusky void
iron reflex
if were talking about phercia there is no trickster and ancestral commander is probably far tankier with 3 end charges etc
split pagoda
Not for like endgame builds but if ur starter reaches like 27k phys max hit that's super super good
ocean field
if were talking about phercia there is no trickster and ancestral commander is p...
not precia jsut the normal game
elder marlin
Gang i need a sanity check
Damage-Focused Bow Skill linked with MFA, Lifetap or...
skills only get trigger after snipe get release
haughty gale
skills only get trigger after snipe get release
I dont think so
snipe eats mana progressily iirc
whole bluff
Gang i need a sanity check
Damage-Focused Bow Skill linked with MFA, Lifetap or...
Ye, mana cost is 0, so as long as your main skill costs 1 mana, it works. Costs life to trigger though
dusky void
not precia jsut the normal game
then you cant even fight uber shaper with insane mods
ocean field
then you cant even fight uber shaper with insane mods
wdym
barren river
this was my doryani ring
ocean field
u defo can
barren river
sold it in std for 100d(and it was a really low price)
pliant hamlet
this was my doryani ring
That's disgusting
spice pecan
damn, only -84 light res too
haughty gale
surprised standard players bought something without quant on it
spice pecan
that and not at least like -110 or something
barren river
this was the second doryani ring
whole bluff
Ah, wait the flat lightning is vs you
Looked like an early endgame weapon on your ring for a second
haughty gale
youd have a lot of fun early endgame with that
whole bluff
Yeah
barren river
Ah, wait the flat lightning is vs you
if the rarity was inverted, it would have been worth at least 1m
whole bluff
if the rarity was inverted, it would have been worth at least 1m
Damn. People still do less rarity?
barren river
as in flat light would have been positive and rarity was inverted
whole bluff
Ah
pliant hamlet
Damn. People still do less rarity?
There's a few less rarity strats
I never bothered doing em but yeah they exist
whole bluff
I knew about fracture exiles in necropolis, and tawm'r isley
proud gorge
hmm, so I guess I've found what makes this build "budget"
this build actually does incredible damage, when its combo works out
unfortunately, Foulborn Kitava's Thirst only has a 50% chance to activate
spice pecan
same with the regular one but yeah
proud gorge
if I get unlucky a bunch of times in a row, then what happens is I cast Soulrend of the Spiral, the helmet doesn't trigger, and thus I get some life gain on hit and life regen from Vitality. Then, because I'm still Cycloning and critting, the moment my life is high enough to cast Soulrend of the Spiral again, it does so, consuming all my life and leaving me with not enough life to actually cast the helmet spells
spice pecan
soulrend of the spiral costs so much per cast
pliant hamlet
Why are you using one of the most expensive spells lol
proud gorge
whereas when the combo works out, Soulrend of the Spiral casts, it triggers Kitava's Thirst, both my helmet spells cast, Blazing Salvo and Rolling Magma, which causes enough instant life gain on hit to bring me instantly back up to full life
proud gorge
Why are you using one of the most expensive spells lol
to trigger Foulborn Kitava's Thirst
tight plinth
proud gorge
you need to spend 200 life in a single cast
tight plinth
i give up, idk how to make him tankier than that, guess im dying every other map
proud gorge
I'm deliberately using the most expensive (regular castable) spell in the game, to trigger Kitava's Thirst. And as long as the helmet triggers frequently enough, the combo sustains itself, and it's great
hard cliff
whereas when the combo works out, Soulrend of the Spiral casts, it triggers Kita...
LET'S GOOOOOO
fringe idol
Does ancestral echo just straight up double the damage of strike skills? Is that really how that works
pliant hamlet
to trigger Foulborn Kitava's Thirst
I'm a lil confused because you're talking like you're draining all of your life every cast.
pliant hamlet
Does ancestral echo just straight up double the damage of strike skills? Is that...
on stationary targets yes
reef pewter
any suckers here in dallas get snow
tranquil sedge
i give up, idk how to make him tankier than that, guess im dying every other map
are u set on starting msoz or something
fringe idol
on stationary targets yes
how does it work on extra targets?
tranquil sedge
its not going to feel very good to play with that gear ngl
fringe idol
if you have targets +1 targets
hard cliff
any suckers here in dallas get snow
we are getting ice storm this afternoon
pliant hamlet
I don't think it does at all
reef pewter
we are getting ice storm this afternoon
Dallas?
pliant hamlet
I haven't done much testing though
Pretty sure it just creates a clone of you that attacks again wherever you attacked
tight plinth
are u set on starting msoz or something
nope just pobing stuff
spice pecan
you need a lot of attack speed for msoz
tranquil sedge
also you're missing some rather important things for that like +1 strike target on gloves
reef pewter
nope like 4 states to the right
ohhh
tranquil sedge
and aps on gloves
reef pewter
florida or something
tranquil sedge
there's prob a bunch of stuff to tune but like uh
pliant hamlet
it's 69 degrees here in florida
tranquil sedge
i would suggest something else to start if u can yea
hard cliff
it's 69 degrees here in florida
nice
tranquil sedge
numbers look big but in reality it'll feel clunky at that low aps
tight plinth
scrapping this one then
tranquil sedge
but sub 5 is really low
fringe idol
is it reasonable to do a MS/Divine smite build as an ancestral commander or is that one going to get nuked
reef pewter
what its like when southerners freak out about snow xd
tranquil sedge
is it reasonable to do a MS/Divine smite build as an ancestral commander or is t...
generic strike build will probably be fine i mean
pliant hamlet
what its like when southerners freak out about snow xd
mostly just a lot of accidents
reef pewter
Anyone here stopping by for phrecia??
tranquil sedge
how bad could it possibly be
pliant hamlet
roads get really unsafe
reef pewter
mostly just a lot of accidents
true
tranquil sedge
but just wait for the notes tbh
tight plinth
boggy shammy buffs 🙏
split pagoda
is it reasonable to do a MS/Divine smite build as an ancestral commander or is t...
I'd say not as a starter
pliant hamlet
It's too hot here for it to stick, so you get a lot of black ice + people who've never driven in black ice(last time it snowed here was in the 80s
fringe idol
I'd say not as a starter
why not?
tranquil sedge
what its like when southerners freak out about snow xd
i imagine if u knew you were facing potential extended power outages in giga cold weather that's not a great feeling too
tranquil sedge
Super zdps
ppl still leaguestart smite despite that tho
reef pewter
i imagine if u knew you were facing potential extended power outages in giga col...
well i can imagine a bit, our pipes busted
tranquil sedge
like they'll chill to 1-2m dps and be clearing stuff
tranquil sedge
well i can imagine a bit, our pipes busted
oof
split pagoda
ppl still leaguestart smite despite that tho
Ya but they actually get dmg on their ascend usually
reef pewter
caused some chaos for awhile
split pagoda
Like slayer or paladin
fringe idol
is ancestral echo really not enough
tranquil sedge
Ya but they actually get dmg on their ascend usually
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right
split pagoda
is ancestral echo really not enough
That node is bad
Only really works well for flicker strike
pliant hamlet
The node is really good for flicker
ocean field
how did we get here
fringe idol
That node is bad
Wait why? Does it not work with molten strike+Nimis or divine smite of judgement
split pagoda
Nope
fringe idol
does it only duplicate the melee hit?
pliant hamlet
yeah i think?
tranquil sedge
Wait why? Does it not work with molten strike+Nimis or divine smite of judgement
(if you call it sodj it'll save ur fingers some typing)
pliant hamlet
It's not hard to test
split pagoda
It works but you need to move in between for the repeats to actually happen properly
That's why it's good for flicker
spice pecan
(if you call it sodj it'll save ur fingers some typing)
smite of sodj of divine judgement
of kalandra
pliant hamlet
It works but you need to move in between for the repeats to actually happen prop...
wait what? why?
fringe idol
It works but you need to move in between for the repeats to actually happen prop...
it doesn't work at range a 2nd time for the extra targets 🙁
proud gorge
I'm a lil confused because you're talking like you're draining **all** of your l...
okay so here's how it works. I currently have 320 unreserved life. Whenever I CoC trigger Soulrend of the Spiral, it spends 204 life, leaving me with 116 life remaining, plenty to cast Blazing Salvo and Rolling Magma (about 20 life each). I also have a life gain on hit Shaper ring (15 life gained on hit).
If the combo works out, after Soulrend of the Spiral, Blazing Salvo and Rolling Magma go out, producing around 32 projectiles, half of which return. This, combined with the Soulrend projectiles, should easily shoot me back up to max life, allowing me to trigger Soulrend of the Spiral again and restart this chain.
On the other hand, if the combo doesn't work out, I cast Soulrend, dropping me to 116 life, and I get some life gain on hit, but not enough to push me back up to 320. So I go up to, let's say, 220 life. Soulrend of the Spiral triggers the moment I have enough mana, dropping me down to 6 life. This isn't enough to cast Blazing Salvo or Rolling Magma, so I get the sad only Soulrend cast again. And again, the moment it gets above 204 from natural regen (Vitality), it casts Soulrend again, and so on.
pliant hamlet
Flicker Strike
can trigger this effect on a single enemy if the enemy is large enough, and the player moves far enough away from the previous hit.``` oh wowso it's a flicker strike ability and nothing else lol
split pagoda
```The previous location must be a minimum distance from the character for the a...
Yep it's the same as the ring
pliant hamlet
okay so here's how it works. I currently have 320 unreserved life. Whenever I Co...
god that is tight. I'd really say you want 1k life for bad streaks
split pagoda
Warriors legacy
proud gorge
luckily, if the combo isn't working, it's very easy to try again, by just stopping, waiting half a second for my life to fill, then starting again
but yeah, optimally I should be at more like 500 unreserved
pliant hamlet
I'd aim for 4 lost coinflips personally
whatever that is with your regen/life cost per second
elfin shale
skills only get trigger after snipe get release
Thats just the skills linked to Snipe. Snipe will eat mana every attack interval, even at max stages
I just gotta PoB on if this is worth losing 1.5 supports on
proud gorge
regardless, once I've hit at least once, there's enough lingering projectiles to sustain through a lost flip or two
pliant hamlet
does it only duplicate the melee hit?
The additional strike cannot create even more additional strikes. The passive's effect is unaffected by Strike Skills target # additional nearby Enemies; it will not strike in multiple previous locations, or against multiple targets around the previous location.
proud gorge
I just need to hit at least once to "start" the loop
pliant hamlet
wouldn't this be good on smite of divine judgement?
proud gorge
and then after that it should only break if I lose the coin flip like three times in a row
pliant hamlet
or does it not work w/ that
proud gorge
maybe more
pliant hamlet
3 fails will happen like 10 times a map minimum
proud gorge
depends on my trigger rate honestly
the faster my trigger rate the more lost coin flips I can sustain without it breaking
but again
super easy to fix a break
just stop attacking for like 0.3 seconds
pliant hamlet
sounds clunky
fringe idol
What about Tawhoa's Felling?
proud gorge
eh, it gets a lot cleaner against packs of enemies, because there's also life gain on kill
fringe idol
Does that work similarlly
proud gorge
it's mostly against bosses that things get a bit weird
elfin shale
Is Harbinger the only phrecia ascendancy with CDR
pliant hamlet
pretty sure tawhoa's chosen just summons a mirage that uses your slam again
fringe idol
pretty sure tawhoa's chosen just summons a mirage that uses your slam again
Or strike
Which would double up on your DSoJ
proud gorge
but yeah, once I get a high enough trigger rate, it should work itself out
proud gorge
the other way for it to easily work itself out is to replace my Shaper "life gain on spell hit" ring with a life gain on any hit Watcher's Eye
but ES gain on hit + Life gain on hit Watcher's is pretty expensive
pliant hamlet
is it? that's a surprise to me
tranquil sedge
but ES gain on hit + Life gain on hit Watcher's is pretty expensive
u know synth life on hit exists on rings
pliant hamlet
I can't imagine there's a lot of builds that want lgoh and esgoh
proud gorge
I mean, on attack isn't very helpful lmao
tranquil sedge
lemme check the wording
proud gorge
I need either life gain on spell hit (works but can be inconsistent) or life gain on any hit (extremely consistent, but rare)
elfin shale
Im a little stupid how much CDR do i need to get a 0.5s cooldown down to 0.1 - 0.2s
proud gorge
but yeah, LGoH + ESGoH Watcher's eye is like 25div
elfin shale
150%?
proud gorge
minimum
cooldown recovery speed, which is what we have instead of Cooldown Reduction, scales differently
pliant hamlet
150% would be .2s
proud gorge
but lemme see
proud gorge
yeah 150%
elfin shale
But i have to go Harbinger for that
elfin shale
Huh, neat
proud gorge
then that tells you how much total Cooldown Recovery Speed you need
including the base 100%
that you get for existing
so that's 2.5, so you need 150% increased
elfin shale
So for 0.3s i need ~60% inc?
proud gorge
yeah, 66.6%
proud gorge
meanwhile for 0.1s you need 400%
pliant hamlet
SkillFinalCooldown = SkillBaseCooldown / (1+(#% increased Cooldown Recovery Rate/100))
.2 = .5 / (1+(cdr/100))
.2(cdr/100) = .5
cdr/100 = .5/.2
I feel dumb I never realized this lol
proud gorge
yeah
pliant hamlet
yeah, round up to the next 0.0133
proud gorge
tick speed is 0.033 iirc