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[soft perch]

he has exert mastery as well from warcries

[shadow socket]

true

also bloodletting on tree is 10%

and this is a boneshatter build

but it helps

[soft perch]

think missing out on pride is big rough

gotta get that -mana craft

[shadow socket]

yeah add pride and youre near 3m total dps

[soft perch]

also click destroyer on tree asap

2 points for 10% more dam

[steady elk]

i have destroyer enabled on mine

the guide's one doesn't have it

[steady elk]

i don't get why there's such a big difference

they're both 19% no?

[shadow socket]

no

[soft perch]

pride goes up to like 40% more dam very quickly

[shadow socket]

and scales too

[steady elk]

but it's range is nonexistent?

[shadow socket]

nah its quite big actually

[steady elk]

like 0.9m

[soft perch]

prides range is huge

[steady elk]

or whatever

unless im running it wrong

[steady elk]

oh......

[soft perch]

bigger with quality too

[steady elk]

well fair enough

i thought 0.9 was the base radius 💀

[shadow socket]

the +09m is on top

[soft perch]

pride is a big deal u wanna get it in asap

and the route is the -mana craft

[steady elk]

yeah i added it in already

[soft perch]

will be a big difference

[steady elk]

what's the name of it?

[shadow socket]

doesnt really have a name anymore

its just the -mana cost craft

used to be called 'elreon's after the betrayal NPC

[proud gorge]

man, I keep seeing people stay stuff like "I hope GGG extends the Phrecia event" like, dawg, do you understand what that would require

[solid laurel]

Is there a limit to how many vaal BV you can have out?

[proud gorge]

I'd much rather have a new league than more Phrecia

[tranquil sedge]

some of those people mean until 3.28 starts

[ocean field]

why is sodj better than lightning strike??

[steady elk]

not sure how i would go about adding that in for my build

i can't find it on my bench

[shadow socket]

its just a prefix bench craft

[tranquil sedge]

the solution to that, is get it

[proud gorge]

I mean, sure, but if they truly are planning to launch the new league in early march, that extends Phrecia by, what, like a week?

[tranquil sedge]

a week or two is a big deal

when ur starting point is a mere 3 weeks

[shadow socket]

the craft is in orchard map

[soft perch]

i dont believe so

[shadow socket]

the crafting recipe is outside of the boss in orchard

[tranquil sedge]

3 weeks is a short event
5 weeks is a much longer event

[soft perch]

i also think architect of chaos vaal bv sounds funny

[solid laurel]

Can anyone who knows for sure confirm? I thought not but friend thinks you can

[proud gorge]

I suppose yeah

but yeah, it's still going to be pretty short, either way

no 3 month Phrecia, and thank god

[steady elk]

orchard it is fellas

[tranquil sedge]

yea but if it was 5 weeks i would play this

[soft perch]

im pretty damn sure it has no limit

[tranquil sedge]

at 3 weeks its too little time for me

like i just wish they would have a date finalized and whether or not it will be extended before phrecia starts

[solid laurel]

Isn't it possible to have infinite BV out this league with bloodlines and architect?

[soft perch]

its not on the gem text, its not on the poedb metadata pull, and im sure ive seen people vomit them out in videos in the past

[soft perch]

no because youre still bound by duration cast speed and souls

u can get a good amount of them tho and im sure its a great build

[proud gorge]

yeah, I'm probably just gonna gun one build to 90 for the mystery boxes then go back to playing Keepers

[tranquil sedge]

you can force-migrate out of the event at any time right?

[proud gorge]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

i c

[proud gorge]

oh, that's an idea yeah

power level a character that I can then convert into a different character

or maybe the same character but with regular ascendancies

[shadow socket]

man is it going to be awkward getting a set of good idols for a 3 week event

[tranquil sedge]

also take the opportunity to make some divs in the phrecia economy lol if u want to upgade stuff before 3.27 ends

[soft perch]

eh

[proud gorge]

could be a chance to actually play Cast on Portal, since the reason I gave up on that is because the build literally doesn't function until like level 80

[tranquil sedge]

it'll be okay tbh

[proud gorge]

so I can level as Wildspeaker Flicker on Phrecia

[soft perch]

i had a good set of idols by like day 4 of last phrecia

[tranquil sedge]

it won't be nearly as fucking bad as it was in old phrecia

[proud gorge]

and then export it to Keepers at level 90

[tranquil sedge]

yea 'good' idol set will be easy

'perfect' idol set well you know what those go for

async will make getting 'good' idols feel better

[shadow socket]

unique farming will pop off for dust for recombos

[tranquil sedge]

man after magefist's own heart

flickerrrr

[shadow socket]

i never got a good idol set last time

was too busy sitting in hideout gambling

[tranquil sedge]

yea for idols gradual snowballing is the key
for most ppl tryna jump to big boi idols directly is too hard

just start with some cheapo 1-2mod idols and work up to 3

[soft perch]

just go for slightly offmeta farms with idols

and then use that to buy the meta idols

rather than halfassing it

[tranquil sedge]

with good 3-mod idol sets you should probably be making like 20-30d/hr or more

and at that point farming for 4 mods is within reach

[soft perch]

u could also do farms that dont rly need prefixes

like ritual

[tranquil sedge]

yep

half-assing is such a good way to get nowhere

i wasted so much time doing that myself in phrecia

[proud gorge]

I dunno who that is, lmao, I just meant that Cast on Portal is basically spell flicker anyways, and out of all the Ranger builds Flicker Wildspeaker is probably the most "Cast on Portal"-like

[soft perch]

ye

i rushed harvest

made infinite currency very quickly

[proud gorge]

and also probably the easiest to quickly level as

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9uZUpMgYdg

[soft perch]

economy is self regulating

if people are farming boxes

[tranquil sedge]

yup

[soft perch]

theyll want harvest juice and shit

[tranquil sedge]

yup

[soft perch]

so just farm something thats always desirable

[tranquil sedge]

i was at 40 div/hr in affliction league farming harbinger and harvest

it was fun

coz nobody was dropping that loot from affliction mf farming

so it went up to compensate

[proud gorge]

why'd he show Ancestral on the thumbnail if this is just about Wildspeaker anyways smh

clearly we need Flicker Behemoth

[shadow socket]

offtopic, but does anyon want to wager a guess what mirrors are at in 2

[tranquil sedge]

3000d or some hyperinflated bs?

[shadow socket]

lol

[tranquil sedge]

what lmao

[proud gorge]

I heard a 150 Adorned is like 2 mirrors

[shadow socket]

an UNID is like 3k div

[proud gorge]

wack, it's probably more than 2 mirrors then

then again

at that div price you may as well just div spam

[shadow socket]

hahahahahah

[tranquil sedge]

you can't div spam adorned

its a corrupted item

[proud gorge]

oh good point yeah

[tranquil sedge]

this is what happens when you don't have enough divine sink

[proud gorge]

but yeah, completely unsurprising

[shadow socket]

just uhh 87k div for adorned

lmfao

[tranquil sedge]

poe1 the sinks are div rolling items and more importantly meta mods

metamods are massive

[proud gorge]

this is what happens when you add 150% Adorned to your game

[shadow socket]

thank god for poe 1 economy

[proud gorge]

wack

[shadow socket]

everything has its place

[tranquil sedge]

nah
the price is too fucked even for a broken item

it wasn't this bad for the old temporalis either lol

[solid laurel]

Is there any way to auto cast vaal skills

[tranquil sedge]

their economy is shitting out divines but not consuming them properly

even in our inflated league affliction divines were still actively consumed

so even there mirrors 'only' went to like 1:1500

and most ppl could farm that coz everything went up in div/hr to compensate too

[proud gorge]

I mean, that's mirror priced, not div priced. Yeah that's a lot of div, but its ratio to Mirrors should be a lot more stable, unless they're also shitting out mirrors and not getting consumed

[tranquil sedge]

dunno how the mirror situation is

[shadow socket]

poe 2 mirrors are even worse than poe 1 mirrors

[tranquil sedge]

adorned pricing will more depend on how popular it is and how many of em there are

[shadow socket]

people sell mirror items for 2 mirrors since async

[tranquil sedge]

wat

why would anyone even buy that

[shadow socket]

they do it themselves and sell the copy

[tranquil sedge]

the people who have items worth mirroring aren't going to be scamming you for just 1 mirror

why would u overpay a full mirror lmao

[shadow socket]

'fee'

[tranquil sedge]

u might as well just mirror off TFT at that point even their fees are less

[proud gorge]

I suppose if the normal cost would be 1 mirror feedand 1 mirror to actually mirror it

then paying 2 mirrors for a mirrored item, sort of makes sense

[tranquil sedge]

yea but wat about ppl returning mirrored items into the market 😮

[proud gorge]

since they had to pay 1 mirror to produce it

[tranquil sedge]

or is that not happening?

[shadow socket]

fees are generally nowhere near that high

[tranquil sedge]

1 mirror to make the copy = 1 mirror list price
anything on top is a fee

if its listed at 2 mirrors they're saying the fee is a mirror

[proud gorge]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

which is fucking nuts, nobody has fees that high in league

[proud gorge]

it kind of is yeah

[shadow socket]

idk one guy spent like 30 mirrors making a mirror spear

you know who

[tranquil sedge]

nop

[proud gorge]

my point is I can understand 2 mirror asynch cost for a mirrored item, as long as they're setting the fee at 1 mirror

it's a wildly high fee

[tranquil sedge]

the issue with it is there's no point at all in doing this

[proud gorge]

but it sort of makes sense to price it like that at least, since you can't set Asynch to 1 mirror plus 1000 div or something

[tranquil sedge]

like there are many trustable sources to mirror from

[steady elk]

reduced mana cost to non channeling skilsl is what y'all were referring to right?

[solid laurel]

Mirror service MTX when

[tranquil sedge]

tft, sushi, fubgun, and whatever half dozen other people have big dick items

[tranquil sedge]

yes

its a flat mana cost reduction up to 7 with the benchcraft version

[split pagoda]

flipping mirrortier items is a pretty big thing actually. They mirror an item and pay the usual fee, then try to sell the item on trade site for more than mirror + fee cost

[tranquil sedge]

i like livesearching for mirror items ngl

often times you can find someon re-listing their old item for 'just' a mirror or less coz they got bored/quit/whatever and wanna liquidate

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's mostly for people who just don't want to deal with all that, and just want to buy it off asynch

[hybrid harness]

that gets u banned from sushis shop at least lol

[split pagoda]

yeah

[proud gorge]

you pay a premium for not having to interact with other human beings

which on a big ticket item can be a pretty hefty premium

[hybrid harness]

if anything, later league u can buy mirror items for like 0.8 mirrors and sometimes resell for whole mirr

[proud gorge]

since I suppose the person flipping the mirrored item is technically taking on risk

since they're holding at least a mirror worth of risk

[tranquil sedge]

my body and quiver in phrecia were both sub-mirror buys lol
livesearch + patience is worth

[proud gorge]

yeah

[solid laurel]

I might just go str stack rf again no shame

[proud gorge]

my point is I can understand the logic behind pricing a big ticket mirror item at 2 mirrors. It's still very high, but I can understand it

[tranquil sedge]

this is also not accurate btw

because you can just list in divines instead

altho yes their current mirror prices make that a bit of a hassle but in general i mean

[proud gorge]

yeah, I was going to say

especially if the div price is shifting rapidly

due to massive inflation

lemme just price this item at 8000 div

[shadow socket]

if you fill too many tabs in received sales it unlists your items iirc

[proud gorge]

and hope that the price of a mirror doesn't drop below 8k before it sells

[tranquil sedge]

didnt know that interesting

[shadow socket]

think empy ran into it when liquidating for endleague project

[proud gorge]

this is always the silliness of hyperinflation, having to bring a wagon full of bills to buy groceries because the price of currency has fallen so much

the price of money being devalued sucks, but the sheer inconvenience of having to use thousands of bills to buy things is the real visible sign lmao

[tranquil sedge]

they need a sink

[soft perch]

mirror weps in poe2 are such scams

ur better of just sanctifying lesser items

[tranquil sedge]

i dont think they will get one till at least 0.5 though

[tranquil sedge]

y

can't copy sanctified items, no?

[soft perch]

nop

but you as a player are better off sanctifying a lesser wep

[proud gorge]

clearly the solution is to make Adorned roll at 0.1 steps and then make them uncorrupted

[soft perch]

i guess less so now

that double exceptional is a thing

[proud gorge]

so anyone can get a 150% Adorned at the cost of around 1,500 Div

plus base adorned cost

[tranquil sedge]

wonder what they'll do fr tho

their current craft system is way too focused on omen bs

places less importance on raw currency items

[tranquil sedge]

its still baffling to me that they tried to 'simplify' crafting and somehow it sounds more complicated there than here

and some of their omens are based on mod levels and shit lmao

[potent horizon]

the process in one is a little nicer in my opinion

it just feels right

[tranquil sedge]

like at that point ur mandating third party tool usage

for references

[proud gorge]

more complicated and harder but also less useful

[soft perch]

i prefer poe2 crafting

cuz u spend less time actually crafting and the game encourages u to interact with it often on the fly

[proud gorge]

lmao?

[soft perch]

in poe1 u get stuck alting thousands of times so often

[proud gorge]

Are you talking about, like, low level crafting

[tranquil sedge]

cuz u spend less time actually crafting
sir this isn't the win you think it is

[soft perch]

no

all crafting

[tranquil sedge]

you spend less time doing it because you can afford to do it less lol

[soft perch]

wat

that is just wrong

[tranquil sedge]

and it doesn't encourage you to do it any more in poe2 than it does in poe1

[proud gorge]

PoE2's crafting is only faster or easier when the only thing crafting is is slamming exalts on an item

[soft perch]

ok fellas lets not talk about things we know nothing about

[tranquil sedge]

here also u can casually slap a few essences or harvest reforges and maybe some random veiled shit on an item and call it a day

[shadow socket]

poe 2 crafting actually goated

[tranquil sedge]

or exalt slam some rng and keep goin

[soft perch]

i play a lot of both games

[stoic horizon]

i only dont like buying 100 bases in poe2

apart from that crafting is not bad

[soft perch]

poe2 encourages u to interact with items often, poe1 you basically never interact with any item u actually find and always have to start from step 1

[proud gorge]

the moment you start pushing into the omen crafting shit, it gets real dumb and real expensive, because every time you run into a dead end you just have to start again from scratch

[tranquil sedge]

its not always from scratch he's not wrong on that

[shadow socket]

you never have to start from scratch

most stuff is legit locked in at each step

[stoic horizon]

recombs

[shadow socket]

theres so much thats entirely deterministic

[soft perch]

in poe2 u regularly loot actual rares and craft them

[crisp plinth]

recombs were a mistake

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[soft perch]

its like one of the best ways in the game to make currency

especially first 2 weeks of a league

its very satisfying

in poe1 u hide almost every rare item very quickly

[shadow socket]

the bar for selling poe 1 crafts is so astronomically higher than in 2

[soft perch]

ye

[shadow socket]

theres like 30 more hoops to jump through

[crisp plinth]

if the game was actually more fun i might even enjoy the itemization in poe2

alas 1 it is

[proud gorge]

I mean, this league yes, but that's mostly because of the Tree shitting out really well rolled rares

[soft perch]

no

[tranquil sedge]

i'd say thats only somewhat accurate u still want fractures, overqual, high ilvl, and rarer bases

[soft perch]

u havent picked up rare items in poe1 for a long time

[proud gorge]

you pick up bases

[shadow socket]

once you know what youre doing you can legit craft a nasty poe 2 item in like 2 minutes

[soft perch]

in poe1 crafting a single item can take fuckin hours and i hate it

[tranquil sedge]

huh

[shadow socket]

3k alts

[tranquil sedge]

only if ur making mirror items

[shadow socket]

4k essences

7 failed fracs

[pulsar dune]

Recombs did kinda fix the whole ground items are useless thing

[soft perch]

alts/essence spamming etc

frac spamming

[tranquil sedge]

if u have to spend 4k essences on an item ur making mirror tier gear lmao

[proud gorge]

you can easily craft a good item in PoE fast, just not a mirror item

[pulsar dune]

But yeah, by and large it's kinda a nothingburger.

[proud gorge]

the bar for "mirror item" is just way lower in PoE2

[tranquil sedge]

yea like 4-5 mod items are trivial to make in this game unless ur going for 'perfect' gear

[soft perch]

false

[proud gorge]

true

[soft perch]

no.

[pulsar dune]

I mean, anything that involves the menagerie is going to be slow as fuck

[proud gorge]

yes

[soft perch]

u have no idea what youre talking about

[tranquil sedge]

their mirror tier is also high end its not cheap

[soft perch]

mirror items in poe2 are arguably harder than poe1 at least in this current form

[pulsar dune]

Especially if you have to go back and forth between HO and menagerie

[lucid gale]

Stupid beasts.

[soft perch]

getting a 3 socket obliterator bow thats ilvl 82 is gonna set u back a mirror

making it 30q is gonna cost u mirrors of locks

the whole process of making a mirror oblit is gonna cost u like 30 mirrors

[tranquil sedge]

i think most builds in poe1 can have casual gear made for them relatively easily

[soft perch]

ye

[proud gorge]

yeah but it's a lot more, like, just a bunch of raw stats, like wow my mirror tier weapon has a bunch of phys? Wow

[soft perch]

mirror items in poe2 are extremely expensive

[stoic horizon]

do you not have nests zao?

[tranquil sedge]

i think its only when ur minmaxing the rolls for t1 mods and going for 5+1 or 6 mod items is when it gets expensive

[soft perch]

all items in poe1 and poe2 are a bunch of raw stats

[tranquil sedge]

in that regard poe1 isn't much diff to poe2, casual gear can be made fast and cheap

[shadow socket]

this is only because the game is in its infancy

there just isnt the same number of crafting subsystems

[soft perch]

also the only things ppl rly mirror in poe1 are statsticks

[tranquil sedge]

and the bar to selling items isn't that high in poe1 either tbh
if u can make a 4 mod item with some basic fracture/essence/reforge shit you're already like more knowledgeable that most average ppl

[soft perch]

like fat rings, fat es chests, fat dps weapons

u mirror for big numbers

[tranquil sedge]

this league is an exception for selling gear because tree devalues all loot

not worth judging gear market in poe1 based on 3.27

[soft perch]

ye this league ruins crafting

[tranquil sedge]

this league is fucked

[soft perch]

but floor loot has been dead forever

[proud gorge]

I mean, you pick up floor loot for the bases, how is that different from PoE2

[haughty gale]

I wouldnt say it devalues ALL loot

[shadow socket]

before i tapped I legit made about 4k div crafting boots in a little under 3 hours

[haughty gale]

it devalues low and mid budget rares

[solid laurel]

Still found it hilarious that it was a lot of money running negative rarity in Poe 2 to make ground loot worth picking up

[soft perch]

dude u hide all rare items in poe1 unless ur ssf when u hit t17s

[proud gorge]

again, you pick up bases for crafting on to sell them

[soft perch]

in this poe2 league i sold a couple thousand divs of rares

[proud gorge]

which is also the case in PoE2

[shadow socket]

ground loot is always worth it in poe 2

if good bases

[soft perch]

bases in poe1 are worthless outside of day 1

[tranquil sedge]

tree devalues multiple league mechanics (harbinger most notably), a lot of mid level and earlier crafting, a lot of floor loot because fractures and qual bases

and it also makes ppl quit faster

[soft perch]

barely even worth the effort

[proud gorge]

again, it's entirely about bases

[tranquil sedge]

brother this is really not true

[soft perch]

yes it is

[proud gorge]

you're just straight up wrong

[soft perch]

?? XD

[shadow socket]

lol

whomst the fuck is picking up white bases past day 1

[proud gorge]

You pick up ground loot for purely good crafting bases, but a good crafting base is very much worth it

[solid laurel]

I'm buying them

[shadow socket]

that arent overqual

[haughty gale]

Sure but that isnt even nearly ALL loot, and harbinger has been ass for a while

[proud gorge]

it's literally the only way to get overqual bases

[soft perch]

white bases with nothing else on them are literally fuckin worthless

[split maple]

okay i am aware this craft is super bad idea and not worth, but hypothetically ... 1. woke orb any crus suffix on cull make sure 1 empty suffix, 2. nnn recombi temple mod glove with 2 random ass wrong influ suffixes, 3. clean prefix and dominancey slam, 4. start exalting life into matron scour, 5. veiled ex, 6. bench gg. Am i missing anything?

[tranquil sedge]

the best bases for each attribute type/mix if u get ilvl 84+ will sell pretty easily for a couple months

and i mean white bases with nothing

[split maple]

tree shits out overquals 😄

[shadow socket]

for what, 5c?

[tranquil sedge]

i sell that shit for 15-20c up to month 2 lol

[stoic horizon]

apart from some valuable rare bases like heist jewellery and synthesised stuff bases arent that worth much

[tranquil sedge]

at least before async was there

[soft perch]

they are literally worth like a couple chaos at most

[proud gorge]

well yes but again the tree makes things weird

let's not consider the tree, it's not canon

it's going away

[soft perch]

nobody is considering the tree

i play trade

[tranquil sedge]

it depends on the base
many of em sell for 15-20c+ a lot

[soft perch]

i hide all bases on day 2

they are worthless

[solid laurel]

It's not going away is it?

[ocean field]

is the phys damage reducution capped at 90%?

[proud gorge]

it is

[pulsar dune]

Mirror quivers have convert, mirror swords having flat fire and %, mirror wands have explode sometimes. Mirror bows are usually what enable phys bows at least.

[soft perch]

no they dont

[tranquil sedge]

ofc it is

[pulsar dune]

Yes

[solid laurel]

Thought it was core already?

[tranquil sedge]

its broken and bugged

[proud gorge]

Tree is purely part of Keepers league mechanic

[tranquil sedge]

keepers is not yet core

not until they decide

[proud gorge]

and when Keepers ends it's going away also

[solid laurel]

The breach stuff is core though no?

[proud gorge]

for reference, we're talking about the Genesis tree, the thing that shits out loot

[split maple]

no

[haughty gale]

All they have to do to keep keepers tree is reduce the modifier tier rating

[proud gorge]

unclear

[ocean field]

any point in getting more armour cause the does not seem to be a difference from 50K. I got 88k does it even do anything?

[split maple]

standard has old breach

[lucid gale]

Standard has old Breach, including atlas tree.

[solid laurel]

I know bloodlines are core at least

Ahh

[tranquil sedge]

breach is a core mechanic
reworked breach is 3.27 specific

[split maple]

bloodlines arent part of keepers yea

[proud gorge]

but even if the Breach mechanic goes core, the genesis tree definitely isn't

[stoic horizon]

i hope they just leave the defenseless breaches in core and leave the chests in the boss encounter to drop foulborns

[solid laurel]

That's a weird thought that breach might vanish

Or reverted, I guess

[proud gorge]

the Bloodlines are part of a content expansion, not connected to the Keepers league

[pulsar dune]

Armor is less effective against bigger phys hits

So yea

[ocean field]

oh

so 88k armor is usefull?

[haughty gale]

depends on the build

[shadow socket]

yes

[pulsar dune]

Ye

[tranquil sedge]

dunno what to say i was doing it for a long time in affliction, phrecia and merc
but ye i don't disagree a lot of ground loot is not worth much at all if anything

tho i don't think that's necessarily bad either

[proud gorge]

the larger the hit, the more armour you need to effectively reduce it

[soft perch]

i think its bad

[tranquil sedge]

it depends on the build

[solid laurel]

I think I'm just locking in RF str stack again, the more I look at things the more it draws me back in 😂

[soft perch]

sold a couple thousand divs worth of rare loot drops in poe2

[ocean field]

trickster lightning strike

with iron reflex

[soft perch]

its fun to interact with items

[tranquil sedge]

i mean more for you to think about

[soft perch]

in poe1 u dont interact with shit u find on the floor

[tranquil sedge]

if ur build benefits from having armor sure go for it

[proud gorge]

okay but that doesn't mean anything, a couple thousand div is like nothing in PoE2

[soft perch]

?

a couple thousand div is a fucking lot in the first couple weeks what are u talking about

[proud gorge]

in the first couple weeks, sure

[tranquil sedge]

a couple thousand div is going to put you in the top few % of the game lol for a good long time

[split maple]

idk i only played poe2 at ea release but having to deal with ground loot to earn dough was tedious as fuck

[ocean field]

I am rn planning for a build with doryani and having 100% damage taken converted to fire so I can get good pen as well be immune from downsides

[soft perch]

its different now

[proud gorge]

yeah but my point is that that's still a lot lower than a couple thousand div in PoE1

[soft perch]

but i do actually enjoy picking up good bases and using currency on them

[proud gorge]

the value of a div is wildly different

[soft perch]

in poe1 its not worth ur time

[lucid gale]

0.4 economy is... bananas.

[solid laurel]

couple thousand div even when a mirror is like 6k is still a lot of money, its only locking you out of 0.001% of items

[soft perch]

no it isnt

[stoic horizon]

just know that to achieve that you need a quite expensive amulet

[ocean field]

why tho

[split maple]

or a fancy jewel

[ocean field]

what amulet are we talking about here

[stoic horizon]

was it called eye of the werewolf? or sth like that

[solid laurel]

eyes of the greatwolf

[split maple]

greatwolf with correct convert implicit yea

or just go pof sublime

[stoic horizon]

idk which is more expensive

tbh

[split maple]

or go for some trickerinos with watchers and shit, ik kira did get full convert without either

[stoic horizon]

sublime or ammy

[split maple]

pof sublime by far lol

[ocean field]

it is pretty cheap no? temperad war 50% watcher eye and sublime

[stoic horizon]

thats what i thought

[split maple]

how much do you think pof sublime is

[stoic horizon]

sublime cheap

[ocean field]

idk

[split maple]

a mirror or so glaza

[ocean field]

wait let me check lol is it expensive

[stoic horizon]

spoiler, its one of the most expensive uniques in the game

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the difference between PoE1 and PoE2 ground loot is just that PoE1 drops way more ground loot but it's less worth to pick up most of it, since there's just so much of it, but overqual bases are still very much worth it because that's what people craft on, and good crafting bases in general are still good to pick up, just a lot more rare. In PoE2, halfway decent rares are a lot harder to come by, but also you still very much focus on picking up crafting bases. The only difference is that in PoE2 "crafting bases" can mean a halfway rolled rare instead.

[ocean field]

I am ending it

gg I am dropping the build lol

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[soft perch]

o7

[proud gorge]

lmao, the Purity Sublime

thank god for the Purity Sublime making all the other sublimes cheap

[soft perch]

theyd be cheap either way

[tranquil sedge]

lightning sublime is an option if u can squeeze it into your build

[proud gorge]

if it cost less then it'd get farmed less, so there'd be lower supply, and the "trash" would be less cheap

[split maple]

check also Kira's pob, he gets 99% convert of lightning without pof sublime or greatwolf: https://pobb.in/c9d4Z5vNNm-w

[stoic horizon]

they want doryanis so idk if thats a good idea

[tranquil sedge]

sorry i didnt mean it for him

just a general thing

[ocean field]

oh thanks

[tranquil sedge]

everyone goes purity of fire coz yea its easy but purity of lightning exists too 😄

[proud gorge]

the existence of Purity sublime being that expensive means it's being aggressively farmed, so all the other Sublimes get driven increasingly down due to excess supply

[tranquil sedge]

purity of cold maybe one day if full cold covert is doable

[ocean field]

this does not stack right

[split maple]

50% tempered, then dual taken as watcher eye into hunter bound

[proud gorge]

it does

well

[stoic horizon]

doesnt pf do that?

with taste of hate

[proud gorge]

okay so you can only convert incoming damage one time

[tranquil sedge]

not 100% i believe

[proud gorge]

you can't convert damage that's already been converted

[tranquil sedge]

like you have the 50% keystones for fire

and for lightning

i dont think one exists for cold

[split maple]

yeah this setup you need fire and cold res, it only eliminates lightning

[ocean field]

man I really thought I had the build locked in

[split maple]

so its worse than pof sublime but kinda mirr cheaper

[soft perch]

hes a little squishy tho

[proud gorge]

so those two mods would combine to cause 20% of incoming cold to fire, 19% of incoming fire to cold, and 39% of incoming lightning to fire and cold. There'd be no loops though

since you can't convert incoming damage twice

that "can't convert twice" is also what allows incoming damage conversion to go "backwards"

and convert elemental to phys and the likes

since the fact that you can convert outgoing damage multiple times is the reason why it only goes in one direction

[ocean field]

I meant whether have 2 jewels will stack

[split maple]

you cannot have two watchers

[soft perch]

limited to 1

[proud gorge]

oh, yeah, that stacks additively with Sublime yeah

[ocean field]

oh

[split maple]

so you are forced into 2-mod watcher, bound by destiny 4x hunter and tempered by war if you go for that

[ocean field]

bro stop talking about sublime

I am getting PTSD

[proud gorge]

I thought that's what you were asking about stacking lmao

but yeah, only one Watcher

imagine if you could run multiple watchers, we'd just have adorned style builds but it's all watchers eyes

1p voices price skyrocketing

[ocean field]

also how does penetration work from like shaper balls or idk the cold balls

if you say 50% convert

[split maple]

it only works on part that stays nonconvert

part that got converted to fire, you dont give a fuck about cold pen

[stoic horizon]

it applies only to the part that deals dmg of the respective element

[ocean field]

so essentally half the damage

but pentrates full amount

[proud gorge]

I mean, pen isn't dependent on the damage being dealt

so yeah

[soft perch]

part of why sublime fire is so fuckin broken now is cuz atziri is gone

[ocean field]

yeah ok

[proud gorge]

the portion that's unconverted pens normally

[soft perch]

and without atziri in valdos

theres not a lot of fire pen around

[ocean field]

how do you get this

is it ez to farm

the sublime

[soft perch]

no

[stoic horizon]

no

[proud gorge]

I mean, farm Uber Shaper

[soft perch]

its like 2% droprate from uber shaper

and theres like 18 different sublimes

cant remember how many

[stoic horizon]

and then you have to hit fire one not others

[ocean field]

on a scale from farming voices 1 and orginal sin being 10 what scale it is

[proud gorge]

and then you have to roll the 1/18 for Purity of Fire

[stoic horizon]

9 ig

[ocean field]

holy

[proud gorge]

so something like... 600 Uber Shapers on average

[ocean field]

well I am never seeing that

[split maple]

its slightly easier to ssf than matching ff pair

so maybe 1-2 people per league

[stoic horizon]

also i think osin is not on the same level of difficulty as 1p voices

[proud gorge]

just run 600 Uber Shapers smh

[ocean field]

what

[soft perch]

1/50 and then a 1/17

[ocean field]

I have seen more people with OSIN bruh

[soft perch]

850 uber shaper average

gl

[ocean field]

1-2 people per league

[split maple]

in ssf lol

[ocean field]

oh

[split maple]

trade its pretty available

just send ships until mirror

[ocean field]

when mirror

how many ships

[soft perch]

like 250m value for mirror

[proud gorge]

oh hey, wack, just realized Discipline Sublime is +1 power charge

[ocean field]

250m gold

??

[soft perch]

not particularly easy

no 250m crop value

will probs take u a month

[prime hill]

250m crop value

[sonic jolt]

anyone still playing poe 1? you think poe 1 is still best than poe 2 (atm)? i need a friend that plays poe 1, cuz others i know, didn't think it was an easy feat!

[split maple]

so 6 weeks or so

[prime hill]

that's like a month and half

[proud gorge]

probably not worth the jewel socket at very high budget, but +1 PC for a jewel socket isn't bad

[ocean field]

how much is that in like gold

[stoic horizon]

ye all defenses aura sublimes give + charges

[ocean field]

approx

[split maple]

lets say 15k gold a hour, 8 days of farmers

[prime hill]

1-2d for a million dust usually

[soft perch]

getting the amount of dust for 5 full shipments is rough

[proud gorge]

oh wait it turns off all other auras

[split maple]

so 15k * 24 * 8 * 6 + dust value

[proud gorge]

never mind that's less useful

[soft perch]

unless u tech the dust through buying t0 unique valdos

[tranquil sedge]

one shipment of 25m crop value + 25m dust = 50m total shipment value gives 2.5 shards back on average

so 8 shipments on average to earn back 20 shards

getting 25m worth of crops costs approx 2.5-3m gold, so times 8 puts it around 20-24m gold per mirror

[soft perch]

atziris disfavour valdos my beloved

[tranquil sedge]

this is pure revenue, not profit

as getting dust costs money

[stoic horizon]

you can still herald etc

[tranquil sedge]

so add another 1-2 shipments to cover the cost of dust

[proud gorge]

yeah but my build needs Vitality and Precision

[tranquil sedge]

so you can probably make a mirror profit over ~10 shipments or so

[proud gorge]

so I can't use Sublime for +1 PC

[tranquil sedge]

note that this will take you ~8 days PER shipment

so about 80 days for 10 shipments

[ocean field]

17,280,000 gold and 1 mill dust is pretty ez from tier 0 or 1 unqiues

[tranquil sedge]

almost 3 months

[tranquil sedge]

read the math i wrote for u above

kingsmarch can profit u a mirror or more per league if you play long enough (~3 months) and maintain gold for mappers

[ocean field]

oh thanks

[ocean field]

I see

[tranquil sedge]

in the grand scheme of things thats actually very little

because 3 months is a long ass time

but its passive income

so anyone can do it

[ocean field]

yeah

not to mention u get other shet as well

[tranquil sedge]

true

i was not including profit from tattoos and raw divs

[ocean field]

lowkey will do kingmarch

[tranquil sedge]

those will add up

[ocean field]

next league

btw

[proud gorge]

personally I don't bother, because having to log on constantly to check on shipments and pay workers sounds annoying

[stoic horizon]

ngl im too impatient to wait for 50m shipments i just do the guaranteed div shipment twice daily

[ocean field]

what new accendency fro trickster

in the precia

[tranquil sedge]

only gotta log in once every 8 days tbf if you really want to not log in

[stoic horizon]

i think blind prophet takes tricksters spot

[tranquil sedge]

and even that isn't required because u dont stop farming when u hit 25m of crops

you could legitimately log out for a full month if u set up gold beforehand

and then send 4 50m shipments in one day

[proud gorge]

I mean, it's mainly the dust

[ocean field]

are the same accendies from last prechia??

[proud gorge]

gotta keep that disenchanter filled

[stoic horizon]

yes but there will be balance changes

[ocean field]

oh

[tranquil sedge]

sure but its safe to assume that if u have set up gold to go that afk, you probably had time to dust when you were still actively playing the league before

[ocean field]

well

looking forward for trickster buffs

[tranquil sedge]

dusting a bunch of t0s/t1s in the first few weeks when ur still actively playing is ez

[proud gorge]

yeah, I just find setting up the whole thing a hassle

[stoic horizon]

trickster wont exist in phrecia

[proud gorge]

it's probably worth it, given that I play pretty lazily

[ocean field]

ok whatever is on the right side of the tree

[proud gorge]

and don't exactly do high speed mapping

but bleh

[ocean field]

close to CI

[tranquil sedge]

just do it for the power charge ring dream

[stoic horizon]

and the classes on shadow arent like trick at all

[tranquil sedge]

or whatever other big ticket item u like

[proud gorge]

lmao

I'm pretty good

[stoic horizon]

ngl most of them are more up for nerfs or wont get touched

cuz all 3 shadow ascendacies were solid

[proud gorge]

I'm playing this other build now, apparently you can just wear +1 PC Circle of Nostalgias, which is a lot easier to access

[soft perch]

ye shadow probably best class in phrecia

[proud gorge]

still expensive, but not multi-mirror expensive

[ocean field]

I am going to play gambler

cause I like gambling

[stoic horizon]

💀

i mean

[proud gorge]

5 div, not bad at all

and with free lightning damage too

[stoic horizon]

its not as unusable with the unexciting rune existing this time

[proud gorge]

though for now I'm still stuck on the Shaper ring

[ocean field]

holy gambler is amazing

[soft perch]

i remember seeing some maths about the unexciting rune

apparently its actually good

[ocean field]

I am gonna gamba the character

wait

this is slayer

ah I am stupid

[proud gorge]

I mean, is it? lmao

[ocean field]

NO

[proud gorge]

but yeah, there's also the third and final Shadow phrecia ascendancy

the one everyone forgets about, because Surfcaster and Blind Prophet are a lot more flashy

[ocean field]

Blind prohet is what I am going to play

[barren river]

i will not play phrecia

[ocean field]

ephermal edge crit blind prophet

pretty standard

[barren river]

idols are dogshit

[proud gorge]

to be fair, Servant of Arakaali is just just a super aggressive "shadow minion ascendancy"

it has, like, barely anything other than minions

[sonic jolt]

well, thats the reason why i dont wanna play the event!

[proud gorge]

I do wonder, what'll happen to Blind Prophet's "Directionless" node, since Sabo just straight up has that node now

[sonic jolt]

ascendancies has some good ones, but yeah idols doesnt feel right..

[proud gorge]

Directionless was one of the main reasons to play Blind Prophet, but now all Shadow ascendancies can access it via Sabo FF

[sonic jolt]

it makes the grind harder iirc from the players who played the event

[proud gorge]

also, what if you take Directionless then also Sabo FF

do they stack additively to 100%? Or multiplicatively to 75%?

who knows

truly a mystery for the ages

[full kraken]

It could be ultra strong for twisters

But it beholdens us to pretty much needing to use svalinn to have any defense

We already use arakaalis on twisters atm, so getting to swap that out to a real dagger and do even more damage with lv 20 spiders is yummy

[soft perch]

additively id assume

[proud gorge]

probably

wuh oh, watch out, that's 0% chance to not return

completely broken

[full kraken]

Wait what are the bonuses on lv 20 spiders

[ocean field]

what are the highest physical hits in game??

[proud gorge]

lmao

[ocean field]

like what deals them

[proud gorge]

Crushing Fist probably

[full kraken]

Wiki doesnt say what lv 20 spiders gives compared to lv 1

[ocean field]

sirus metor type stuff?

[proud gorge]

oh, you mean enemies

[full kraken]

Shaper slam I think

[proud gorge]

it's, uh, Valdos ghosted Feared Synthite slam

[ocean field]

oh

[full kraken]

TIL

[proud gorge]

but like

realistically it's Uber Shaper slam yeah

[ocean field]

oh

[proud gorge]

I just know about Valdos ghosted feared synthite slam because apparently it's one of the only attacks that even the ultra-tanky voided valdos farmers have to dodge

[ocean field]

guess I am good against uber shaper slam

[tranquil sedge]

doesn't shaper's slam hit harder than the synth slam

[proud gorge]

but it's also, like, super easy to dodge

[soft perch]

most dangerous phys attack is titanic of legends blight kitava bosses that just vomit blood projectiles and annihilate u

[ocean field]

I am lowkey braindead

can't dodge

1 button gameplay only

[full kraken]

Oh wait

I cant put efficacy support on the lv 20 spiders

Nevermind its useless

[tranquil sedge]

what damage type is elder's projectile spiral attack

[proud gorge]

I mean the Synthite channels that thing for like 5 full seconds

and you can just walk out

[ocean field]

yeah I can walk out of channels

[split pagoda]

Nah dont need to dodge it

[soft perch]

by spiral do u mean the expanding circle

[ocean field]

can't dodge the slam all the time tho

[proud gorge]

you can also just press immortal call yeah

[soft perch]

or him shooting his projectiles outward

[proud gorge]

if you have that

[split pagoda]

It does a good amount but nothing insane

[tranquil sedge]

nah like the little black caltrop/spike lookin things he craps out in a circle around him

[split pagoda]

Dont need ic or anything either

[tranquil sedge]

the projectiles outward ye

[soft perch]

i think its phys and cold

[tranquil sedge]

then that one hurts a lot too if ur standing next to him

[proud gorge]

does it? I know it's the attack that killed Lance's void valdo farmer last league

[tranquil sedge]

in valdo maps he can shoot so many of those lol

[split pagoda]

Ya cuz his build wasnt very tanky

[soft perch]

lances void farmers always have pretty low phys max hit

[proud gorge]

I mean, for void valdos, yeah

[soft perch]

and he keeps dying to it

its happened like 3 times now

[proud gorge]

my point being just that I think that's still the largest phys hit in the game

outside of, like, theoretical super deep delve nonsense

[tranquil sedge]

those same maps are gonna have shaper in em
does shaper slam go harder than synth slam

[proud gorge]

I dunno, lemme check

[soft perch]

all of them seem to be pure cold

[tranquil sedge]

'feared' invitation isn't very scary as an invitation

but when those bosses are let loose in an atlas map it actually becomes scary lmao

[split pagoda]

Synth slam from my experience does more in ghosted void maps

[tranquil sedge]

like the idea of some giga busted bosses just roaming the map to pop out anywhere

[soft perch]

ye im pretty sure it does too

[tranquil sedge]

das spooky

[proud gorge]

which version of shaper is the valdos feared one

there's so many Shapers

[soft perch]

ggg made valdos kinda annoying

cuz sirus is buggy

[tranquil sedge]

...idk :x

[soft perch]

he can spawn an invisible wall on top of you and make it impossible to dodge an attack

its a bit aids

[ocean field]

btw I am still thinking of using doryani. What are the places where u get lightning dot

[soft perch]

shaper

mana siphoner

[ocean field]

is it something to be concerned about

[tranquil sedge]

the reddit posts of people getting trapped by dual sirus walls in feared invites

[soft perch]

yes

[ocean field]

if I just run t17 maps

then

[soft perch]

avoid fortress

[ocean field]

ok

[split pagoda]

Atleast theres no double flameblast to worry about

[ocean field]

why fortress tho

does the boss do lightning dot?

[soft perch]

no he just does a lot of lightning dam

[ocean field]

that is fine

I have enough armor

like 70K

shouldn't be a problem

[tranquil sedge]

is this a pob build or an actual build in-game already

[soft perch]

i think void valdos are harder now cuz u can actually just die to bullshit

[tranquil sedge]

coz u could just run one fortress map if u have the build ready

and see for urself

[ocean field]

I think I can

rn just pob

[soft perch]

like u can just get sirus walled and slammed and a lot of voided valdos u have to play decently well

[ocean field]

but I think I have the resouce to make up a make shit one

just to check

[split pagoda]

Its probably harder for non-giga void builds and easier for the giga ones

[tranquil sedge]

na dont bother

just make it properly

[split pagoda]

Cuz the giga ones can just tank everything

[soft perch]

well

not all void maps are the same

cant remember off the top of my head what the hardest one is

but u can absolutely die with an unfortunate ghost set in 100% deli with less dam per equipped item

even with a very tanky build

[proud gorge]

okay so I checked, both Shaper slam and Synthete nightmare slam have the same exact damage multiplier on them, both dealing pure phys

[split pagoda]

Not if its tanky enough

[proud gorge]

the difference is Synthete Nightmare slam has "can't be evaded" on it

but has a 2.5 second cast time and a 30 second cooldown

[tranquil sedge]

:O

[proud gorge]

meanwhile the Shaper slam is an attack

[soft perch]

a lot of void valdo farmers arent tanky enough and have to manually immortal call slams

[split pagoda]

100% deli ghosted feared 90 less is extremely easy for a giga void build to facetank absolutely everything in every map

[proud gorge]

so it's just a question of which is more dangerous, a spell or an attack

they have the same damage

but yeah, they're both 200% more damage pure phys slams

[split pagoda]

Yeah thats why I think its harder for the non giga void builds and easier for the giga ones

[proud gorge]

spell suppression applies to spells, but apparently the map in which he got voided had 100% reduced suppression chance

or something like that

[split pagoda]

Cuz b4 the only thing that could get scary vs a giga void build even if its some crazy no suppress 90 less ghosted 100% deli 6proj 6frenzy feared map or w/e was dfb

[steady elk]

how do people get to t16 in a day 😭

that's crazy

[proud gorge]

I mean, depends what you're going for

[steady elk]

it took me a day and a half to finish acts

[split pagoda]

And that attack is gone

[tranquil sedge]

what is 'a day' to you lol

[proud gorge]

if you're trying to purely hit T16, you can fast climb

[soft perch]

a lot of void farmers rly struggle with some ghosts

[steady elk]

6-12 hours

[proud gorge]

if you're trying to full complete up to T16, you run Diagonal Strat

which does take a while

[tranquil sedge]

now double that number and play faster and more efficiently than you

ppl can push to t16's in a day xd

[proud gorge]

but yeah, people hitting T16s on day 1 aren't just going in and playing 6-12 hours, they've been doing practice runs for the past couple weeks

[soft perch]

u go up map tiers rly fast if u just click the +1 map stuff on atlas

only full clear ur highest level map

[proud gorge]

they've been optimizing for speed

[tranquil sedge]

like if u were running sub 5-6h leaguestart campaign time
and u knew what to do at start of maps to not waste time and make money
and ur efficiently just upgrading gear and pushing tiers fast fast

it starts sounding a lot more doable

[soft perch]

a lot of people waste time full clearing every map

[split pagoda]

Like last time I was void farming I «only» had like 1.3mil ele max hits with around 20k es recovery/s and in terms of rippy maps there was only atziri dfb I had to look out for

[tranquil sedge]

it also isn't that important either unless ur tryna top 1% economy competition or something honestly and even then maybe

like who cares if it takes an extra day or two

league will be fine xd

[split pagoda]

These days people are hitting like 2million maxhits with block+recovery on block

[proud gorge]

I usually just relaxedly campaign and hit maps like a week in lmao

[soft perch]

i hit maps on day 1 but im usually always playing jank that needs a bit of gear to get going

[tranquil sedge]

my goal is usually just campaign before i get tired and log off on day 1
day 2-3 are map progression to t16s

after that its whatever

[proud gorge]

if you're not in the very frontmost pack, then all other speeds are the same

so may as well relax

[onyx adder]

All that rly depends on timezone

[soft perch]

usually always finish 2 stones on day 1 playing some dumb shit

ye europeans have worst timezone

[tranquil sedge]

to some extent but 1 week is still at the tail end xd

[soft perch]

leaguestarts at 7-8pm for past 10 years

despair

[proud gorge]

I like playing in a more settled economy anyways

[soft perch]

some 9pm

[onyx adder]

Ye i get the full day so if i dont reroll im 2stone 90

[proud gorge]

plus I don't like gunning on week 1 of a league because things are always buggy and unstable

[split maple]

would be nice, but its usually 9-10pm for me in eu

[onyx adder]

I think ive rerolled the last 4 straight day 1s tho lmao

[split maple]

depends on winter time there and here

[split pagoda]

On a normal leaguestart there’s not really much incentive to rush t16s anyways

[onyx adder]

I get too speculative on new stuff

[proud gorge]

I like waiting for the week 2 patches to roll in

[limpid prairie]

This is like the races on other games though the best thing for the European to do is sleep
You won't win the marathon if you don't

[split pagoda]

Completion is most important

[tranquil sedge]

hey at least they're in the evening for them
its like 1:30 am or something for me every time

zzzz

[onyx adder]

Thats kinda ok tbh

[soft perch]

ya at least with my phrecia starter i can just fuckin respec to whatever attack on blind prophet if it feels bad

[tranquil sedge]

the saving grace is they leaguestart on fridays

[soft perch]

i think itll be fine tho

[onyx adder]

U can just start late and get the full day

[tranquil sedge]

so u can chill over the weekend

[tranquil sedge]

done that a few times tbh

ultimately never really feels like i missed out or anything

[soft perch]

i rly enjoy the economy in the first few days

its my favourite part of poe

[ocean field]

how to check if both the area hit and melee hit of sodj is hitting the enemy

??

[soft perch]

i dont even like arpgs that much

i play other arpgs and i get bored fast

and i dont have great grind stamina in poe1 so i end up getting very inefficient after a week

[split pagoda]

u wanna hear the real crazy part

[soft perch]

but its the fresh starts and fresh economy that i enjoy the most

[split pagoda]

some people enter t17s and ubers in a day

[soft perch]

also the theorycrafting

[split pagoda]

on hcssf

[soft perch]

go earthshatter AC

4 stones and t17s day 1 easy

[tranquil sedge]

if pob was on steam many of us would have some big hours in it lol

[soft perch]

i opened my poe1 pob the other day

i have like 200 saved builds

[tranquil sedge]

okay important question

mcdonalds or kfc for dinner today

those are the only options

[soft perch]

kfc

[limpid prairie]

Neither
Treat yourself to decent food

[soft perch]

yea decent food like a zinger stacker

holy

[tranquil sedge]

i want a burger and those are the options LOL

[soft perch]

beef burgers are overrated dogshit

chicken burgers clear

[tranquil sedge]

aight kfc it is thanks

[soft perch]

god

i want a zinger now i fucking love kfc

[onyx adder]

KFC kinda mid these days

Burgers still acceptable sides now dogshit

Only get the burger

[soft perch]

shrug

[proud gorge]

depends where you live

[soft perch]

i like the wings

[tranquil sedge]

(india)

[proud gorge]

Japan and China have great KFCs, for example

[soft perch]

kfc in the UK is pretty good

[proud gorge]

absolute staple

[soft perch]

european fast food places tend to be solid cuz of regulations

[onyx adder]

India mcdonalds is weird tho

I dont recommend at all

So if ur in india then obvs kfc

[soft perch]

i dont trust food hygiene in general in that country

[onyx adder]

U just hate food in general we've had this conversation

[soft perch]

bro i said hygiene

[onyx adder]

Other than, apparently, kfc burgers

[proud gorge]

but yeah, since in places like China and Japan an "american fast food place" isn't even close to the cheapest place to get food, instead they have to lead with actual good food, since it's a "premium good"

[soft perch]

and tacos

i also love japanese and korean food

[proud gorge]

you pay a premium for KFC, and in exchange you get really amazing fried chicken

[soft perch]

and tbh i rly like indian food

i am very weird though im not big on steak

beef in general is not my thing

[proud gorge]

meanwhile if you want cheap food you just pop down to the local dumpling guy

who sells dumplings at like 10 cents apiece

[soft perch]

im going to japan this year and yes i am sure i will still eat plenty of fried chicken there

[proud gorge]

if there's one thing I miss about China it's the food

just amazing food, sold locally, made fresh, super cheap

lot of downsides to living in China

but the food is great

[eternal hill]

Was checking have ppl yet posted clickbait phrecia build videos, some things never change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9uZUpMgYdg

[proud gorge]

yeah

I mean, it's not really bait

[tranquil sedge]

magefist 😄

[soft perch]

tbh ancestral commander flicker is a good build

[proud gorge]

Wildspeaker Flicker is a fine build

[eternal hill]

Didnt flicker actually use the ghost strike really well

[ocean field]

how to get 160 on this

[soft perch]

quality + effect mod

[ocean field]

what effect mod

[soft perch]

man i love phrecia

[ocean field]

how to do this in pob

[soft perch]

tinctures can roll an effect mod that increases their effect

[proud gorge]

PoB doesn't actually change the listed number on the item

[soft perch]

pob works fine with tinctures u dont have to manually change their numbers

[frigid wedge]

magefist is great, its not bait as much as he just makes currency faster than expected

[ocean field]

I can't get the 160% tho

[soft perch]

thats effectively the same thing more or less

thats already 155%

it works fine

[haughty ermine]

ascendancy changes aren't out. it's bait.

[soft perch]

dont overthink it

nothing wrong with spitballing ideas

not like theres anything else to do

let bro cook

[pliant hamlet]

Combinatrixes are hard

G'mornen, is that flicker I see

[ocean field]

are they the same tho. One of them I copied the other one is crafted in pob

[soft perch]

i kinda hate the AI voice gimmick he uses but i think its cuz hes a bit insecure about his english speaking voice

[haughty ermine]

ew

[soft perch]

his accent is fine tho

[haughty ermine]

I've never watched any of his content

[soft perch]

i mean

it makes sense

[frigid wedge]

magefist uses tts tho, its not ai

he literally fully writes a script

[soft perch]

well theyre kind of similar

[proud gorge]

yeah the TTS voice is wack, and it's clear that the script he fed it has typos as well

since there's spoken typos in the TTS

[pliant hamlet]

ai is such a broad term, tts is definitely ai

[proud gorge]

well, no

[soft perch]

anyway im sure he uses it cuz hes not super comfortable speaking

[frigid wedge]

yeah but credit where its due he does at least write the script

[soft perch]

and thats fine

[proud gorge]

traditional TTS has no actual "AI" style features

[soft perch]

it just a bit grating on the ears for me

[proud gorge]

but then that's not traditional TTS

[pliant hamlet]

I mean, all forms of tts are ai

[frigid wedge]

remember talking to him and he basically said hes not happy talking yet bc he thinks his accent isnt too clear what hes saying sometimes but he talks on stream bc its way less effort

[stoic horizon]

i never minded tts youtubers

[soft perch]

this

[soft perch]

ye exactly

[frigid wedge]

tts came way before ai tho

[proud gorge]

no? Traditional TTS is just a voicebank with phonemes

[stoic horizon]

prob cuz i grew up on old warframe content creators

and there tts was everywhere back then

[proud gorge]

think John Madden, for example

[haughty ermine]

FOOTBALL

[soft perch]

there are plenty of youtubers that write their own script and use ai voices btw that arent 'tts'

[proud gorge]

that's traditional TTS

[soft perch]

but tts is a form of ai

[haughty ermine]

john madden tts is totes ai

[soft perch]

a good example is that evelynn baldurs gate youtuber

[pliant hamlet]

I don't know what you mean by this, various forms of AI have existed for about as long as PCs have

[proud gorge]

again, people have a wild misunderstanding of what AI actually is or isn't

[soft perch]

no they dont

tts can be ai without typical 'ai features'

its still ai

[proud gorge]

"AI" in its current form, aka matrix reduction neural net, has existed for ages

but traditional TTS doesn't use any of that

[soft perch]

its still ai

[proud gorge]

it's not?

[pliant hamlet]

Why are we changing the definition of AI to be this very specific neural networking based AI?

[haughty ermine]

lmao

[stoic horizon]

tbh these days ppl associate the term ai with just generative ai too much

[soft perch]

ye

[frigid wedge]

ppl say ai atm and everyone thinks chatgpt and generative ai, so calling smth where the guy actually writes the script ai when its been in use since before that gives a bad rep

[pulsar dune]

old style tts is prerecorded phonemes played at vaguely guessed timings

it's kinda terrible without machine learning

[pliant hamlet]

idk why "ai" would give a bad rep. Imagine playing a game where no mobs have ai lol

[proud gorge]

old school TTS has nothing even resembling AI, because it doesn't even run an algorithm, unless you count lookup tables as an algorithm

which you really shouldn't because then literally everything is AI