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proud gorge
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I generally dislike ARPG systems where a lot of your player power and build "budget" goes into just getting a bunch of T1 generic mods, like "+ level to X skill"

pseudo axle
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I think the more axes a game has to juice a player's power and loot, the more interesting they are.

proud gorge
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it's one of my issues with D2

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all the builds are just "stack a bunch of skill levels to X"

tranquil sedge
thick goblet
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yup and then they're shooting themselves in the foot with insane content cycle times

pseudo axle
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Skill trees, items, league-specific modifiers, end-game modifying trees, etc.

proud gorge
tranquil sedge
pseudo axle
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the more levers a player has to manipulate their own power, the more fun a game can get imho

proud gorge
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yeah

tranquil sedge
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lotta levers

proud gorge
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so much of D2 building is just stacking a bunch of skill levels

thick goblet
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i wonder when chris wilson's new game will come out

pulsar dune
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hopefully years

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give the man time to cook

tranquil sedge
proud gorge
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skill levels is like the least interesting lever too, because it typically just makes the skill generically do more damage and that's it

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one of the big selling points of PoE is all the stuff that makes skills do different things

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that's literally the original selling point, support gems that change how skills function

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and then PoE2 seems to have reverted

tranquil sedge
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replace one gem for another
substitue one mod for another

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yoloooo

tranquil sedge
tawdry olive
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i generally dont have much faith in any of these "famous game staff leaves to make own game" things, especially if that is a point they use to sell themselves.

Of course there are exceptions but it often turns out the team behind the person was just as important

tranquil sedge
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very very on-rails

pseudo axle
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I hated the 0.1 gem system

proud gorge
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skills only get supports that make them do more of the thing they're already doing

tranquil sedge
pseudo axle
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absolutely atrocious in terms of requiring you to just use one of everything

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I mean the weapon skills thing I can see being kinda interesting, right?

tranquil sedge
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they walked that one back didn't they

pseudo axle
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they did

tranquil sedge
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the suppor gem limit?

pseudo axle
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because it was atrocious

proud gorge
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yeah, now you can once again slap the best supports onto every gem

pseudo axle
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it limited build creativity tbh

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you still had "best support gems" under the old system

proud gorge
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apparently they've got a zoo support

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minion damage per different minion type

tranquil sedge
proud gorge
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which is interesting, but I feel like gets weird in a system like PoE2 where every single skill gem can be a 6-link

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Zoo in PoE1 is defined by your gem socket limits, so not every minion can be a 6-link

tranquil sedge
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'everyone will use everything so everything must have friction to balance it'

proud gorge
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yeah, as much as the whole "one of each support gem" system sucked ass, it existed for a specific reason, that being as the balancing lever against perfect 6-links on every skill at once

pseudo axle
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there are still perfect 6-links in a one-gem limit system!

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it just means that those 'perfect' six links are finnicky and annoying to setup!

pulsar dune
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the thesis was that all support gems would be mechanically shifting, like volley,arrow nova,unleash,deadly ailments no?

proud gorge
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yeah, but you can't run the same perfect six-link on all your skills

pseudo axle
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so? most builds don't do that anyway

proud gorge
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like I said, the single support gem system definitely sucked ass

tranquil sedge
pulsar dune
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so some skills itd be optimal to run on a ´1l

proud gorge
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but now we've got a somewhat different problem

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that being that support gems can't be too powerful or else you'd just slap it on everything

pulsar dune
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that was the point, no?

tranquil sedge
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i had fun chatting but im gonna head to bed fellas have a nice one

elfin spire
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I thought sekhem in Poe 2 was bad, I mean, just not my coup of tea.
But sanctum is "you can't dodge roll, but if you take hit - you die"

proud gorge
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from what I played in 0.1, very few supports were mechanically shifting, it was mostly just "damage to a hyperspecific skill with these exact tags" or "do more of the thing the skill already does"

pulsar dune
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yea, sanctum is cancer if you don't optimize for it

pulsar dune
proud gorge
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maybe it's gotten better in the last few leagues though? Who knows

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that would require me to play PoE2

pseudo axle
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I mean. In theory its appealing to have to press this complicated skill rotation every mob pack.

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In practice its extremely tedious work.

proud gorge
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is it appealing in theory?

pulsar dune
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currently in poe1 supports are mainly just "go into pob and pick whatever is the highest", with the very rare chance to actually do something interesting like click woke ancestral call

proud gorge
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because even in theory that sounds like ass

pseudo axle
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I mean some people dont like one-button builds in poe 1

elfin spire
pulsar dune
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nah

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you need a build with fullscreen autoaim

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relics can't save you too well

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relics you pick to get more loot

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no one uses the defensive relics

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PBOD, swt astral proj, probably frostblink mines and such

proud gorge
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I mean, even in PoE1 very few builds are truly one button, but they just usually are strong enough that their main skill can clear white mobs with no setup, and reserve their "setup" buttons for actual tough enemies like bosses

pseudo axle
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I wonder if my volcanic fissue of snaking build can do sanctum

pulsar dune
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probably

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vfos/pconcob should be solid as well

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historically tornado shot with nimis for fullscreen freeze was played, but I think that one fell out of favour

pseudo axle
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I'm just annoyed that even the most juicy of farming strats kinda suck in poe 1 right now

tight plinth
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pconcob, first time ive seen that acronymkek

pseudo axle
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meanwhile poe 2 had the temple fiasco and while they reverted it, now I don't really want to dive into it

proud gorge
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there's some genuinely one-button builds, but that's mainly because they've either automated everything (at a loss in power) to get the one-button gameplay, or because the build needs to have a bunch of empty gem sockets for some reason

split pagoda
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my take is that poe1 builds in general doesnt even have less button usage than poe2, the skills just feel more responsive and better to click lol

tight plinth
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poe2 bad

split pagoda
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atleast if you look at a typical leaguestarter

proud gorge
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eg: Blood Sacrament

split pagoda
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for both games

tight plinth
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poe1 goat

pseudo axle
tight plinth
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what game started the login meme btw?

proud gorge
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like, my current FRoSS build is actually a four button build

pseudo axle
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everything has a windup of ten thousand years in poe 2

proud gorge
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I click Arcanist Brand to cast two curses, Graft skill to sap, and Withering Step to inflict Wither

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then start holding down FRoSS

pseudo axle
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I could complete an entire game of league in the time it takes my marauder to finish a poe 2 slam

tight plinth
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be a chad cws and press no buttons

pulsar dune
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you don't automate withering step?

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cws still presses penance mark

proud gorge
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nah, I don't have the sockets, plus I like having it as a button to run fast through things

tight plinth
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presses a button sometimes*

pseudo axle
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why is doryani's machinarium 14 divs?

pulsar dune
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it's in challenges

proud gorge
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only drops off a specific Delve boss

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don't bother buying the map

pseudo axle
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oh challenges ic

proud gorge
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buy some Comprehensive Scouting Reports

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they add Doryani's to the Kirac pool for red maps

pulsar dune
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just wait for someone in global to sell slots tbh

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it's probably cheaper than comprehensives

pseudo axle
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I mean I don't care about challenges that much I was just wondering if there was money to be made

proud gorge
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I mean, sure, gotta go farm that one specific Delve boss

pseudo axle
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I mean I know what boss you're talking about, I just kinda dont want to play delve lol

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well

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maybe I should

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is delve even profitable anymore?

proud gorge
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Ahuatotli, the Blind

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yeah Delve is profitable

pseudo axle
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unless you hit like uber-high tier delve

proud gorge
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4-socket resonators are good money

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3-sockets are alright also

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though a lot less

pseudo axle
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eh its something different, guess I can try it

pulsar dune
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you want to go flat around 1500/600

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not sure which

pseudo axle
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WE DRILL

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ROCK

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AND

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STONE

proud gorge
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gotta look for those resonator caches in the walls

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that's where the money can be

hoary scarab
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WE RICK

pseudo axle
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I was around during original delve

hoary scarab
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AND

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ROLL

pseudo axle
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I was there when the dynamite caches were placed

proud gorge
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fair enough yeah

finite quail
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THE FACTORY

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MUST GROW

pseudo axle
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alright niko you big fucking nerd, where's my azurite

proud gorge
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I just mean that that's where a lot of the per-delve profit comes from, so it's even more important to at least peek behind the wall to see if there's something there

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in previous leagues I'd usually be pretty lazy about checking them

potent horizon
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holy moly thought id check out awakened greater proj support

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26 div is wild

proud gorge
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oh that reminds me, I need to grab an awakened CoC

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those aren't too expensive

hexed mountain
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tbh everything is profitable if you have an efficient build for it and play efficiently

hexed mountain
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(except breach , breach is bad, don't be like breach)

proud gorge
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nah, running Venarius loses money on average

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both regular and Uber

hexed mountain
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i was talking about mechanics not bosses, yeah some bosses suck

finite quail
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Its a 50 / 50 chance at profit

hexed mountain
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venarius is so irrelevant i legit do not run cortex in SSF once i get the flask

finite quail
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so its relevant

hexed mountain
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just dozens of cortex taking dust in the stash due to rotations

finite quail
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until you get the flask

proud gorge
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also some methods definitely lose money if you run them in T16s instead of well-rolled T17s

hexed mountain
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i mean i dont specifically care about the flask

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i just stop doing it at all if i get it

split maple
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i only run cortex when i want to do feared if i run out of ubercortex

pseudo axle
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pre flask nerf

tight plinth
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i give up, im just gonna go ancestral commander, gencry

hexed mountain
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yeah enabling invites is different

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i also do uber atziri once per invite

split maple
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well not anymore

hexed mountain
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i used to yeah i guess

split maple
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poor atziri must be feeling so left out nowadays :/

hexed mountain
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i think i did 0 uber atziri this league now that i think about it

livid quarry
split maple
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tho also feared isnt all that relevant once you get the other flask kek

hexed mountain
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they should buff the flask and put it on uber venarius :^)

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to match the other uber flasks

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also when do we get UBER mageblood that works only on unique flasks?

proud gorge
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Clearly they need to add Uber Feared, for if you witness all bosses as Uber and also Uber Maven

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So Uber Maven is also in the arena

hexed mountain
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can't wait to see if they added new stuff or just used the extra campain boss mechanics from the gauntlet

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give us some crazy BS

stoic horizon
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surely notes today

thick goblet
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it's saturday for them right now isn't it

stoic horizon
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their usual league start release time is in 23 min

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so unless they release leagues on saturday idk

potent horizon
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i love HH but man i HATE the effect that makes you teleport on top of enemies randomly and you die

tepid dagger
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Any good rf helmets?

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Wrong channel

split pagoda
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they do release on saturdays nz time for the new content leagues

pulsar dune
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yea, I assume to maximize opening days player count

split pagoda
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thats why its being released a day earlier this time

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cuz its just an event

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dont wanna have people work on the weekend lol

hard cliff
pulsar dune
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no

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hm, now that I think about it, I never actually played with HH

potent horizon
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its just when i get it randomly and tele in and just die

pulsar dune
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my merc had HH, but I never ran one myself

potent horizon
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if im dealing with fire damage/light radius is there a forbidden flesh on templar i should get

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im guardian right now

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figure id ask before i look through every option

pulsar dune
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could take ignore res if you aren't bossing/aren't uses res reducing curses

potent horizon
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hmmmm that is good

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i did just put on awakened fire pen

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what is the allocation called?

pulsar dune
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inevitable judgement

potent horizon
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thank you

pulsar dune
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have to be crit

potent horizon
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time to save up

pulsar dune
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I'd look through them tbh, there are a couple good ones here

potent horizon
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true i think i am going to liquidate some of my builds so i can pump all of it into this build

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theres only so much damage kinetic rain of impact can do but i can tell its getting stronger

opaque sphinx
tight plinth
pliant hamlet
pseudo axle
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weird, what node is making Niko spawn strongboxes?

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is strongbox + sulphite a strategy marauderthinking

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oh, doomed spirits is the one

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neat

waxen fiber
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Hi, I play poe2 and I'm interested in trying poe1 on the Legacy of Phrecia Event (for the 2 boxes 😅 ), is there a place where I can find builds for this event? also recommendations of builds are welcome
Thank you

thick goblet
tardy cosmos
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any info if/when phrecia changes will be released by GGG?

pseudo axle
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OH MY GOD

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MIRROR

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MY FIRST MIRROR DROP

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RANDOM TIER 16 MAP

split maple
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gg

gritty epoch
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gz

pseudo axle
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"The Mirror of Kalandra! Ultimate. Immeasurable. Indescribable."

wooden elm
pulsar dune
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Lessgo

pseudo axle
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this is not the first time I've owned a mirror

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but never did I think I'd get one as a raw drop

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holy shit

simple stag
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Anyone know if theres a good ascendancy for kinetic fusillade phrecia

potent bramble
pseudo axle
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no I'm buying a new build lmfao

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are you mad

potent bramble
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Bonkers, even

potent horizon
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you should just pass it over to general ming

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i think he can find a use for it

potent bramble
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That's a weird way to say "waste on garbage" lmao

pseudo axle
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800 divs for a mirror!?

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Jesus

potent horizon
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oh wow

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build a few new builds

pseudo axle
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and thats on currency exchange which might not be the best tool to check

normal hedge
pseudo axle
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so there is that

potent bramble
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I don't know if that's high or low value anymore, 800 divs is probably more value than I've collected in my entire playtime lol

Though I'd bet if I liquidated I have a lot more

pseudo axle
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my current build is around 200 divines total

potent horizon
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im about to overhaul the entire tree and throw new gems on there

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i need more tank

pulsar dune
pseudo axle
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what's the most broken mirror tier build in the league atm

pulsar dune
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Int/Accu stack for numbers, herald stack for mapping

pseudo axle
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herald stacking sounds fun

normal hedge
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random direction and return is actually good for KF

pseudo axle
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yeah I wanted to try something with nimis

pseudo axle
thick goblet
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mana/res stack kboc heiro is insane too

spare ore
pseudo axle
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I assume these can do both potentially

wispy comet
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are the unique campaign bosses getting all of those upgrades from the gauntlet? sounds pretty intense reading the wiki

pulsar dune
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Then int/Accu for sure

split maple
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heraldstack will have hardass time delving without big changes to get tank

pulsar dune
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Heraldstack isn't that good numerically

pseudo axle
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herald stack I assume is just giga clearspeed autobombing

pulsar dune
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Yea

pseudo axle
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probably good for scarab farming

pulsar dune
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PBOD for single target

split maple
pseudo axle
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whats pbod

split maple
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herald should be bigger dps than past version

wispy comet
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penance brand of dissipation

split pagoda
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its gonna be intense though yes kek

split maple
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tho yea comparing to inquis shite feels 0dps kek

pseudo axle
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anyone got a good pob for int stacker

wispy comet
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i'm gonna start with daughter of oshabi and hope i can bum an aul kill off someone

pseudo axle
wispy comet
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ya

pseudo axle
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gemless build sounds funny tbh

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although honestly I'm thinking of blind prophet abyss jewel stacking

wispy comet
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all my gems will be in staff and gloves

pseudo axle
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I was theorizing a funny build with lightpoacher shenanigans a while ago

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almost got it to work

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and that ascendency might be what makes it good enough to try

wispy comet
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i heard lightpoacher behemoth was good

pseudo axle
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hale negator is also good

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with MoM

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since you're stacking life and mana per abyss jewel

wispy comet
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makes sense

simple stag
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scanning through all the foulborns i cannot make up a single good idea for phrecia other than maybe rathpith

pseudo axle
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you could probably make a hybrid setup with es/mana/life leech going on all at once

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wait, are int/accuracy stackers marauders?

split maple
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Juggies yea

wispy comet
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my plan is ball lightning archmage to stack vines and poisons fast

pseudo axle
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*I CAN JUST CHANGE MY ASCENDENCY THEN I DON'T NEED TO RE-LEVEL

split maple
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Foulborn claws let you intstack

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Tho a question you Will be very soon asking yourself is if simplexes exists on console:D

pulsar dune
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(how much are jugg AS FFs btw, chief should be nicer on budget, no?)

wispy comet
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since i'll have so many empty sockets i can use untouched soul for big flat mana

pulsar dune
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Oh console

pseudo axle
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I'm not on console

potent bramble
pseudo axle
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I just play with a controller

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its so much better

grizzled lily
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hello has anyone posted any good pobs for phrecia i want ideas

pseudo axle
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much less strain on my hands

crystal talon
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uninstall league of legends

grizzled lily
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NOOOOO

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fav game to pass time

pseudo axle
grizzled lily
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i know

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i just wanted to know if anyone has any good ideas that wont get gutted on monday

split maple
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I am pretty sure my idea Will be gutted on monday

wispy comet
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how would we know if they'll get gutted on monday

soft perch
split maple
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It's slap indigon on whisperer and do whatever

grizzled lily
hexed mountain
split maple
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Surfcaster may get touched too

grizzled lily
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everything else is kinda boring

hexed mountain
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oshabi might have the shrine nodes changed a bit

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to avoid the idol abuse

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but the rest is probably safe

grizzled lily
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oshabi without setlers enchant

brazen vector
hexed mountain
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now that wand skills are actually good the sacred wisp node is unironically solid

livid quarry
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how do u do single target dmg with wands

split maple
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You either do kboc and get milijon overlaps or you do hh and do ice prison

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Or you Just get enough dmg not to care, like strstackers do

hexed mountain
livid quarry
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what is ice prison

hexed mountain
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i was close to 100M in ssf

livid quarry
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not sure if i wanna mess with skill duration

split maple
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The rare monster mod that makes circle

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Your projs get caught in it and well boss dies

livid quarry
hexed mountain
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its sad that AoE spreads kinetic rain

pseudo axle
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it feels...weird going to sell a mirror through the currency exchange

hexed mountain
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it would be such a cool single target skill

opaque sphinx
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i was doing ravaged blights on a 2d build cuz those towers are so broken lmao

hexed mountain
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yeah they litteraly dont move

sacred bane
hexed mountain
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on some setups

normal hedge
pulsar dune
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You can also do penance Mark kboc

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Apparently it's very zFPS tho

split maple
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As long as it's kboc you rly don't need cheese

hexed mountain
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if i go wand i would go fusillade tho , its so damn fun

split maple
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Just squaller with +tornado

normal hedge
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but bugged graft + multimod wand is enough to t17s on kb

elfin shale
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And you can use knockback on the cis one

karmic gust
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3 overlaps is garbage

opaque sphinx
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hexed mountain
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its far from good damage compared to fusillade tbh

opaque sphinx
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did some nonsense like this as a leaguestarter

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with KB + woke fork u just instagibbed ravaged bosses using ice prison

simple stag
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When will the patch notes for phrecia be?

stoic horizon
pulsar dune
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Frenzy lmao

karmic gust
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fussilade doesnt rly scale because of the gear requirements but yea if you dont have that much currency then just sticking with fussilade is your best option

pulsar dune
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That's a funny one

livid quarry
hexed mountain
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played it in ssf and was bursting ubers

opaque sphinx
hexed mountain
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fusillade has some hilariously fast oath of spring ramp , like sub 1 second 100% shock

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i just went pure lightning and replica heatshiver oath of spring and damage went through the roof

karmic gust
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if you go full glass then its fine just like any other skill

hexed mountain
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i mean if i switch to any other wand skill i have a lot less damage

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would need archdemon crown well crafted helm and penance to beat it on similar budget

karmic gust
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well yea and you are locked to tree + locked out of bunch of defensive options and have bunch of gear slots locked

hexed mountain
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yeah

karmic gust
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so its not rly a build where someone would want to invest bunch of currency into

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as there isnt rly much to do past certain point

hexed mountain
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if you want to invest its a helm thing

kindred silo
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its also a weird league starter since it does require 3 uniques and quite a lot of points on tree

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luckily i did it before it got popular and everythign was cheap

hexed mountain
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like you can roll more ele damage +%crit +hypothermia + less duration + conc

karmic gust
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it still levels better than other wand skills ngl

hexed mountain
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might use it on an oshabi at some point if i get a helm for it

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yeah the leveling is insane jsut cast and shield charge , the only issue is you have some weak timing around red maps until you buy or loot reduced duration rings/amulet

hard cliff
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A league without elementalist

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what a world

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f/f elementalist gonna be so expensive bro

hexed mountain
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if i do a shadow i'm probably running fusillade + arakaali envy for campain , that would be some hilarious levels of damage early on with 0 gear

karmic gust
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i hope they buff KR next league and fix fussilade targetting

hexed mountain
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yeah giving a bit more autotargetting range would be nice

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feels a bit weird to have to maneuver the char

karmic gust
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its not even range just make the targetting full circle

kindred silo
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i never had any issue with targeting

hexed mountain
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if mobs are too far you have to manually turn your char

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and the targetting range isnt that high

karmic gust
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i was missing with fussilade on goddamn kitava xd

shrewd rock
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tbh it seems kinda weird

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for them to make a monthlong phrecia league

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right before 3.28

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in my head it feels counterproductive

kindred silo
hexed mountain
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but i will say , fusillade with maxed reduced duration and spellslinger warp was the most hilarious build i played in a while , litteraly gliding around bosses

karmic gust
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werent bloodlines result of phrecia testing already

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or what else is there to test

shrewd rock
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yeah possibly. but it just doesn't feel well planned out at all

kindred silo
hexed mountain
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there is quite a bit of overlap yeah

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they will have to change some nodes

karmic gust
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i rly hope they arent planning to bring idols to main game ngl

hexed mountain
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i really like it

kindred silo
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it could be like jewels on atlas or something like that

hexed mountain
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blueprint is SO much better with idols

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the management is a bit annoying but it like being able to really invest into ONE thing

karmic gust
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we already kinda had that with the conqueror zones and the rollable shit and not being able to farm mechanic without getting the shitty giga rare harbinger thingy was certainly pretty ass

grizzled lily
hexed mountain
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its more adapted to 3/4 months leagues than 3 weeks event tho

hard cliff
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Sorry I dunno why I replied to you specifically

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🐶

karmic gust
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it was

hexed mountain
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yeah sounds solid

kindred silo
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that was during my like 3 years i didnt play

opal ingot
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i just realized, isn't like 99% of BIS belt for builds either headhunter,mageblood,tides or darkness enthroned

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the 1% are the synth belters

hard cliff
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What would be a good power charge maxing crit chaos damage shadow setup ?

or more importantly what would be fun

karmic gust
#

atlas tree is basically just evolution of all those shitty buyable "i can do this content now mechanics"

hexed mountain
#

yeah you just use mageblood if you have it unless you're a minion build or want to run HH

karmic gust
#

idols are basically jsut step back

hexed mountain
#

and tides if you're a dirty PF

hard cliff
#

The belt monopoly

#

the illusion of belt choice

karmic gust
hard cliff
#

someone should make that meme

shrewd rock
karmic gust
#

but yea i havent seen anyone wearing actual stygian

#

in long ass time

hexed mountain
#

technicallly but even charge stackers often run mageblood because capping res with full uniques is canker

kindred silo
#

imo the main problem of endgame is that there isnt any real customizability of strats

karmic gust
#

pathfinders were last bastion of stygians but now they have tides

#

so who needs rare belts

kindred silo
#

scarabs r fairly 1 dimensional

hard cliff
opal ingot
#

we need OP synths for belts

shrewd rock
karmic gust
#

there was a lot of endgame variety and customizability

#

last league

#

blame ggg for deleting everything every time endgame is fun

hard cliff
#

Envy only gives 101 to 141 that's really bad for just an attack/spell build isn't it ?

I see why this goes spiders................

hexed mountain
opal ingot
#

woah

soft perch
#

envy falls off around level 60

hexed mountain
#

120 is really good early on

hard cliff
hexed mountain
#

yeah

#

often you take those

hard cliff
#

ok build is in the trash

#

thank you tho

hexed mountain
#

so in the end its a LOT of uniques

karmic gust
#

maybe its time to buff rare belts Pogott

#

(and nerfing enkindlings)

hexed mountain
#

give actually good modifiers

#

prefixes on belt = ew

opal ingot
#

really juicy ones

karmic gust
#

belts are also just giga ass to craft

#

because of the mod pool

hexed mountain
#

give us global evasion/armour % prefixes

opal ingot
#

+1 flask charge per second

clear summit
#

Is there a way to see your previous whispers between you and another player or just in general? From like the other day etc…?

shrewd rock
#

I do also think that mageblood is too powerful

soft perch
#

i dont

karmic gust
soft perch
#

i think mageblood is good but its overrated

opal ingot
#

however that logo might make u unable to do it

karmic gust
#

i think mageblood is terrible design

hexed mountain
#

its giga convenient

shrewd rock
#

definitely not overrated lmao. it's the best belt in the game

karmic gust
#

makes flasks worse for everyone else

sleek barn
#

embrace megablood

shrewd rock
#

i think they can remove the enkindling + mb interaction

karmic gust
#

or well mageblood itself is whatever but mageblood + enkindlings is dogshit

hexed mountain
#

buff all unique flasks and add a line to mageblood making you unable to use unique flasks

shrewd rock
#

yeah

hexed mountain
#

(and nerf pathfinder before she breaks the game AGAIN)

karmic gust
#

just make half of unique flasks not absolute trash

sleek barn
#

huge writhing jar spawns 5 worms per use now

karmic gust
#

so op

hexed mountain
#

i remember when it was actually good 🙁

karmic gust
#

vinkar being biggest joke in universe also funny

#

and vinktars was joke before the unique flask nerfs as well, forgotten flask :d

hexed mountain
#

you can unironically use vinktar this league to proc the graft giving you 40% phys as extra lightning

#

finally a use

#

i farmed it just to test the interaction

#

didnt end up using it

finite quail
#

The shock spread and lightning leech can be nice

sleek barn
#

well you kinda farm it anyway for the unique map challenge

hexed mountain
#

remember when vinktar made you basically immortal to anything not oneshot? pepperidge farm remembers bla

sleek barn
#

so its always going into lillys sell menu and giving me alch shards

#

woo

hexed mountain
#

i think the damn staves are weighted

#

took me like 30 of them to have a set

karmic gust
#

6% pen, 40 flat

#

giga

shrewd rock
#

to be fair

finite quail
#

But the others are fine

shrewd rock
#

poe1 is kinda dead lmao

#

ggg basically only has interns working on it

#

at this point

opal ingot
#

why hasn't anyone made a video about the most broken flasks in the history of poe

sleek barn
#

can i be an intern

#

put me in coach

opal ingot
#

instant 15k views on youtube

karmic gust
#

that mod pool is all garbage

sleek barn
#

what is this most broken flask that you speak of

karmic gust
#

and 125% inc charges used on top Pogott

opal ingot
karmic gust
sleek barn
#

something something soul ripper

opal ingot
#

the super duper instant leech flask

#

if that exists

hexed mountain
#

that was vinktar

karmic gust
#

those vids are all garbage usually

pulsar dune
#

Legacy soul ripper is what enables infinite vaal IC on standard right?

sleek barn
#

something like that

hard cliff
#

So when playing Smite

You just run Divine Judgment and then occasionally hit vaal smite + inc duration to keep the aura up ?

sleek barn
#

i just knew it was insanely powerful for vaal builds

#

rise of vaal spark and whatnot

karmic gust
#

legacy soul catcher was the one that enabled most vaal builds before

shrewd rock
#

when you can make a video about poe2 and get 50k

#

lol

karmic gust
#

ripper i guess only use is vaal ic, or maybe legacy ripper + new ripper on top

sleek barn
#

vaal IC is kinda crazy

#

i forgot it existed

shrewd rock
sleek barn
#

being fully immortal from immortal call is strange

worldly bridge
#

Ggg i need patch notes pleasee

thick goblet
shrewd rock
#

fwiw most of their stronger staff is focused on 2 now

opal ingot
#

now this is juicy

shrewd rock
#

like viper is 2 only as far as i know

pseudo axle
#

NOOOO I'M OUT OF GOLD TO TRADE

#

SO ANNOYING

hard cliff
opal ingot
#

i wonder how much this is on trade

hard cliff
#

Big brain move

pseudo axle
#

I already respecc'd and everything

sleek barn
#

tbf im not exactly sure what viper does i just know hes a chill guy

hard cliff
#

He works on poe 2 last I heard

karmic gust
#

nice reply smh my head

shrewd rock
golden phoenix
#

Can confirm Viper is a chill dude.

opaque sphinx
#

yh all i know is he looks at the code cuz every once in a while i ping him with some crackhead idea and he comes back after checking code and goes "no it doesnt work like that" and crushes my dreams

sleek barn
#

Lily is chill too i suppose

golden phoenix
#

I've been known to ocassionally be chill.

shrewd rock
#

it's already hard enough to hire software engineers in general

#

now imagine your condition is they have to move to NZ

#

i think they're probably pretty understaffed

stoic horizon
shrewd rock
#

for how much work they gotta do

golden phoenix
sleek barn
#

i should go to NZ for a trip

pseudo axle
#

I can't believe I didn't think to check my gold reserves

sleek barn
#

would be fun

shrewd rock
#

NZ is nice iirc but there's not much there

sleek barn
#

thats alright i'll just take in the view

#

tired of cities

shrewd rock
#

you can go snorkeling at the GBR

sleek barn
#

whats the GBR

karmic gust
opal ingot
onyx adder
karmic gust
#

would unironically rather have the version wth a bit less quant and all res instead of max res

sick shadow
onyx adder
#

NZ is a great holiday destination anyway

thick goblet
onyx adder
#

Could easily spend a month there

shrewd rock
onyx adder
#

Longer if u like outdoors

onyx adder
golden phoenix
#

Surely australia is pretty close.

onyx adder
#

Surely

sleek barn
#

i would not want to go australia

split pagoda
#

btw is phrecia actually sc trade/hcssf only?

sick shadow
#

it's about a 3 hour flight to that part of queensland

tight plinth
#

is nz the mexico of australia?

shrewd rock
sleek barn
#

that is a crazy statement

split pagoda
#

saw ziz say that and the post kinda makes it seem that way

onyx adder
shrewd rock
#

that's pretty close bro...

sick shadow
#

relative to anything else from nz, yes

earnest raven
#

What's the coolest pet you have seen someone own in NZ?

onyx adder
thick goblet
#

since ggg is lurking rn can one of you suggest adding idol wombs to breach tree for phrecia, would be cool

hybrid harness
#

that'd be siiiick but seems rather close to launch

shrewd rock
# onyx adder Headdesk

For example, if you were visitng the USA, and visiting SF. I would suggest checking out LA while you're here, which is also a several hour flight.

sick shadow
#

yeah, would require a bit too much work I think

onyx adder
#

Thats a 90 minute flight u potato

soft perch
#

can just add idols as a random drop to wombs

onyx adder
#

Auckland to cairns is eight hours because theres no direct flight

shrewd rock
#

due to LAX being giga ass

onyx adder
#

When we quote flight times

#

We quote airtime

#

Because every airport sucks

shrewd rock
#

that's not true

modern zinc
#

I was going to make an arc ignite elementalist

shrewd rock
#

some airports suck more than others

modern zinc
#

but fireball ignite elementalist has way more dps

sick shadow
modern zinc
#

I wonder if that's normal or if i'm doing smth wrong

onyx adder
#

Apparently

pulsar dune
#

Arc is pretty bad

onyx adder
#

So its like a full day of travel

sick shadow
#

hmm, yeah that would complicate things

onyx adder
#

Certainly not the 300 miles from LA to SF lul

#

Anyway

pseudo axle
#

alright so now I have to farm gold to afford all the trades I need to make lol

onyx adder
#

Shitting on dis's terrible opinions is boring i can do that whenever i want

karmic gust
#

both fireball and arc are pretty bad ignite skills, but arc is at least more fun ignite skill

onyx adder
#

What are y'all talking about

#

Oh

onyx adder
#

Why are we talking about random ignite skills, phrecia surely isnt the venue

#

No elementalist

pulsar dune
stoic horizon
shrewd rock
modern zinc
shrewd rock
#

if you can just pay for a private plane it's 3 hours lmao

karmic gust
pulsar dune
#

Fireball had tech years ago, and has never recovered from losing that afaik

karmic gust
#

fireball is only good for multihitting against wall memes

#

and even that is bad

onyx adder
#

VFB is still alright as a hit based skill

modern zinc
#

ok...

#

Is there a good ignite spell?

onyx adder
#

Actual fireball has been basically unplayable for years

silent leaf
#

we got good ignite attacks

pulsar dune
#

Flame blast is the most straightforward, wave of conviction

silent leaf
#

does that count

karmic gust
#

yea vfb is one of best actual vaal skills i think

silent leaf
normal hedge
karmic gust
#

as last time i was looking at them the options were basically just vfb vbv vls and uuh

stuck phoenix
#

Divine ire go brrrrr

fickle glen
karmic gust
#

vaal fissure

hexed mountain
#

looks super easy to get soul gain prevention to 0 in the incoming phrecia league , if you REALLY want a fireball build you could run vaal fireball

karmic gust
#

rest vaal skills are all garbage

stuck phoenix
onyx adder
hexed mountain
#

vaal absolution hits like a truck

strong totem
#

Why would anyone play fireball in league? We play fireball in standard

hexed mountain
#

i tried vaal domination but the huge guards are too slow

onyx adder
#

Infinite VFB sounds like a bop tbh

karmic gust
#

oh right vaal absoluition i geuss is a thing

thick goblet
pulsar dune
#

Vaal flicker woespike impale LOGIN

karmic gust
#

vcs is pretty bad

#

just easy to enable

onyx adder
#

Its not the vaal bit

pulsar dune
#

Lmao

#

True

hexed mountain
#

vaal absolution is omega cheap to get going too, the +5 vaal skill gloves carry you to 4 stones

fickle glen
pulsar dune
#

Oh btw are there some gloves/helmet I can socket an ignite attack into to approximate a 6l

hexed mountain
#

with just architect and the gloves you're already at +8

pulsar dune
soft perch
#

fireball is a better ignite skill in poe1 than poe2 at least

#

xdd

hexed mountain
#

you can get easily 1 or 2 souls per second and very low soul cost

soft perch
#

u get 6 vaal souls every second if you deal 2% of a unique enemies life btw

#

so if u get soul gain prevention low enough u can chain duration vaal skills relatively easily

strong totem
#

Vaal fireball needs nimis

hexed mountain
#

the architect one is a massive 50% reduced

pulsar dune
#

Reduced soul gain prevention duration is additive with reduced duration on skills with that line right?

hexed mountain
#

yeah

elfin shale
#

wait holy crap auras dont have the thing Gluttony of Elements has where you cant gain souls during the buff

soft perch
#

but reducing duration is not always good

pseudo axle
#

whats the quickest gold farm you can do

#

all flame ember of the guilded?

#

*gilded

hexed mountain
elfin shale
#

Non-Curse Aura Skills have X% Increased Duration shouldnt affect soul gain prevention time right?

pulsar dune
#

I guess I have to play vaal ice shot then, lessgo

soft perch
#

for 70%

#

these ppl are not serious right

#

actual zero damage ascendancy on zero damage skill

stuck phoenix
hexed mountain
soft perch
#

yea

#

imo 70% is fine tho for the most part

hexed mountain
#

you get to 85% reduced soul gain prevention while still retaining 85% of the duration

soft perch
#

youre gonna run into soul generation issues

#

and u cant overdo it with shepherd of souls

#

dont get me wrong i think stuff like vaal bv will be good

pulsar dune
soft perch
#

just will be painful before u get the trialmaster bloodline

pulsar dune
#

But it's such a cool skill

soft perch
#

vaal ice shot has a mirage limit

#

noty

elfin shale
pulsar dune
#

Yea idc about overlapping the mirages or whatever

onyx adder
pulsar dune
#

(oh also, you can totally snipe tech this)

hexed mountain
#

if i go a vaal skill its vaal absolution

onyx adder
#

Sometimes 3/10 is necessary because ur a 2/10 player

pulsar dune
soft perch
#

ok but

#

winter orb harb sounds like the worst shit ever

hexed mountain
#

innocence just nukes its really fun

karmic gust
#

vaal ice shot just sounds worse than vaal ds

soft perch
#

how do u even kill monster

hexed mountain
#

i would only touch harbinger with a headhunter to stack expiry rate

stoic horizon
#
  • fishing rod
  • starter
shrewd rock
karmic gust
stoic horizon
shrewd rock
#

they just want to play a meme build

hexed mountain
#

i mean you can surfcaster without the rod until you get it

pulsar dune
stoic horizon
#

unironically recommending arc tho

hexed mountain
#

surfcaster with the sea legs node and the 50% inc resist foulborn could be funny

karmic gust
#

its arc

#

lol

stoic horizon
#

true

pulsar dune
#

Vaal ds is continually attacking rather than attacking for every ice shot IG

elfin shale
hexed mountain
#

arc is not amazing but at least refraction runegraft gives it a bit more oomph now

#

feels let dogshit

karmic gust
hexed mountain
#

less*

karmic gust
#

buff expiry etc wont apply

#

and stuff that doesnt even apply to the skill

soft perch
#

surfcaster spark of unpredictability log in

heady cliff
#

arc is amazing until like red maps

onyx adder
#

Arc isnt THAT bad its playable if u have some other way to do single target

hexed mountain
#

i wouldnt say amazing but if you can snag a refraction and half decent gear its playable if you really like arc

stoic horizon
#

oh lmao OFC the channel has rmt site in description ewww

onyx adder
#

Like, as shown 5 minutes ago, fireball exists

#

Theres tiers to this stuff

hexed mountain
#

i'm just sad they murdered arc of surging

stoic horizon
#

another channel to ignore list ig

thick goblet
soft perch
#

im pretty excited for spark i am hard coping that deathbeam isnt lying to me

#

in theory it sounds good

hexed mountain
#

i think arc of surging was my favorite build ever

onyx adder
soft perch
hexed mountain
#

the unleash on hydrosphere was so damn funny

soft perch
onyx adder
#

I did this last league to see

#

Its like

#

SSF playable

soft perch
#

thats good

onyx adder
#

I dont think the clear would be good enough for trade but

#

I havent seriously played poe1 trade in a bit

karmic gust
soft perch
#

surely the clear is fine with valve

hexed mountain
#

someone tested if runegraft of refraction stops fury valve +2 splits?

stuck phoenix
#

Or am I crazy

karmic gust
#

whats the icon for faster projs idr if i have it linked there or not

elfin shale
#

One of us has lost it, unfortunately its probably me

karmic gust
#

i dont

soft perch
#

looks like gmp + pierce

hexed mountain
#

the increased minion duration wheel makes vaal absolution soul gain prevention longer

pulsar dune
weak scroll
#

Hi!
I want to do a "hard reset" on my league progression.
Just delete all my league chars or need to do something else?

elfin shale
#

Also need to empty your stash

#

And really thats impossible i think

#

You'll still have atlas progression

pliant hamlet
pulsar dune
#

You could play HC/SSF or a private league

pliant hamlet
#

You could join pohx league

#

or the upcoming phrecia league

karmic gust
#

minion duration wont even affect vaal absoluion in first place no? like at all

pulsar dune
#

I haven't actually tested it, but I've seen it on video

karmic gust
#

only the generic duration from that wheel

gritty garnet
#

vaal skeletons doesn't have the tag lol

weak scroll
#

Stash is more important.
Just "training" starter league builds to do a
From zero to "not so weak"

pliant hamlet
#

Minion shits all hard coded, I don't trust tags; test it instead

pulsar dune
#

Vaal skeletons does look kinda funny as well

thick goblet
#

it'll reset everything

weak scroll
#

Oh, its good

gritty garnet
#

yeah you just try to spam it to replace all the regular skeletons with the bigger generals

pliant hamlet
#

Can't trade if you play in ssf though(obv)

pulsar dune
#

Also honestly you don't even need the stash at leaguestart until like yellow maps

#

I usually do my test runs in Inventory

pliant hamlet
#

Maps I agree, yellow maps though is wild

pulsar dune
#

But I also don't really go past campaign

weak scroll
pliant hamlet
#

Oh yeah then just play ssf

hexed mountain
weak scroll
#

TY

gritty garnet
#

the tooltip changes in-game

pliant hamlet
#

like someone said, migrate all when you're done and ready for the next attempt

gritty garnet
#

I also wanted to try vaal firestorm to see if you still get the full 16 small bolts if you lower the duration

elfin shale
#

So reduced buff expiry rate doesnt make Soul Gain Prevention last longer?

karmic gust
#

it doesnt

#

thats just the generic part

#

the minion wheel has both regular and minion duration

hexed mountain
#

oh right i didnt see the notable had generic duration i just grabbed the wheel and saw it increase to 36

karmic gust
#

this is how it looks like when both apply from that wheel for example

hexed mountain
#

my bad

whole bluff
#

yay, I finally got the double bereks

pliant hamlet
#
Hey there! No need for any petitions, we will have HC Trade, HC SSF, SC Trade and SC SSF leagues available. We were planning to announce these in a news post next week with other information relevent to the event but figured just get ahead of this one.```
#

no info today

#

pack it up

karmic gust
#

i will make petition anyway smh

whole bluff
#

petition to allow petitions

pulsar dune
hexed mountain
#

not worth taking anyway i guess since absolution has very little numbers

pulsar dune
#

So it won't work

hexed mountain
#

number of minions i mean

pulsar dune
#

IG I'll have to figure out how to get infinite attack speed on ice shot some other way

pliant hamlet
#

oh lol

elfin shale
#

I feel like i can definitely get 100% uptime Vaal Discipline

karmic gust
pliant hamlet
hexed mountain
#

yeah fixed that , noticed it could be understood as in damage number

karmic gust
#

oh you have to ice shot

#

rip

whole bluff
#

also, ephemeral edge got the funny number, 1.3m ignite dps in char sheet

#

on lvl 13 smite

karmic gust
#

then yea just more as gloves and soul eater and done

pulsar dune
#

Yea, makes sense

pliant hamlet
#

ScuffThink Question, does bflurry break the 30.3 aps cap inherently?

karmic gust
#

its channel so yes

pulsar dune
#

I kinda want to click quill rain for the funny, but I'm not playing another strstack bow build

pliant hamlet
#

Wonder why bflurry int/acc stacker isn't being used by anyone

karmic gust
#

the cap is on actions/s

pliant hamlet
#

a lot of these high aps builds are breaking 90 aps

#

but can't use it

onyx adder
#

If theyve got multistrike on its not an issue

karmic gust
#

if im putting bunch of money into a build then im for sure not playing bflurry

pliant hamlet
#

haha no love for bflurry

elfin shale
pliant hamlet
pulsar dune
#

What slot is that one on?

strong totem
#

Triumvirate

pulsar dune
#

Oh that fucking ring

pliant hamlet
#

maybe the viper strike dude isn't using multistrike for whatever reason

strong totem
#

Good luck getting a nice ring from Uber atziri

elfin shale
#

i feel like i might be dumb as bricks

pliant hamlet
elfin shale
#

why soul gain prevention 1.5s with 100% reduced...where am i getting duration from

dusky void
#

do we have phercia patch notes?

pliant hamlet
dusky void
#

i want to know how much they kill everything i plan on playing

pliant hamlet
#

That's why you don't make plans until patch notes

elfin shale
dusky void
#

ancestral commander instead of 3 max end charges now has -1 max end charge and the mini defiance now only is 5% or so XD

elfin shale
#

lololololol

dusky void
#

what skill

elfin shale
#

any

#

thats Discipline though

#

you wouldnt want to do it with anything but auras htough

#

1 link

pulsar dune
#

50 souls in 3s is a bit rough

elfin shale
#

Less than that

#

We'll see how much less, gotta workshop

karmic gust
#

ez to do with soul ripper templarthumbsup

pulsar dune
#

HF

pseudo axle
#

thought and motion right

#

for int stacking

#

int/acc

dusky void
pulsar dune
pseudo axle
#

oh right duh its on the pob

pulsar dune
#

Had one of the delvers open

pseudo axle
#

I think this is the build I'm following

#

the mageblood setup

#

has valako jewels and an insane amulet

elfin shale
#

Is there anything that gives % more duration that isnt the skill mastery or a support

#

I currently get 2 souls a second, vaal clarity lasts 10 seconds after soul gain prevention, needs 24

#

I already have 100% vaal venom gyre uptime Pogott

#

Figured it out, 100% uptime achieved

To what ends? Who knows. it only takes your entire ascendancy

pulsar dune
#

Damn, vgyre is pretty strong actually

#

3k DE twice-ish

elfin shale
#

Doesnt work on shorter skills either

elfin shale
#

wait no thats increased

hexed mountain
#

oh i thought you looked just for what could make your duration higher on pob bla

elfin shale
split pagoda
#

Do you guys think mods will be randomized every instance or fixed with hourly reset?

#

I was initially thinking former but theres kindof a precedence for latter with necro settlers, although it was not the same

hexed mountain
#

i hope the campain has mods too

elfin shale
#

Fixed with reset would make sense to avoid gaming and so they can hotfix fucked up mod combos

hexed mountain
#

give us some fun bull

split pagoda
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If it is the latter it will be BRUTAL though lmfao

elfin shale
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Oh wait i cant get 100% uptime on venom gyre on anything but a one-link VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL

pulsar dune
hexed mountain
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players on -60 chaos res when they have 1 hour of extra chaos damage on their favourite map : rageSkill

elfin shale
split pagoda
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Even campaign is gonna be crazy if so lol

pulsar dune
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Yea around there

elfin shale
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Sounds playable to me

hexed mountain
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i think the atziri gloves are better tbh

rancid peak
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Wheres my patchnotes bruh 😭

elfin shale
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Oh shit right this is fucking

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Venom Gyre

hexed mountain
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and much easier to get

elfin shale
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I can just use Hateforge

split pagoda
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If the right campaign boss gets phys as extra + haste with enrage and extra mechanics some players are gonna be hardstuck for the entire hour it lasts

whole bluff
hexed mountain
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skill issue

elfin shale
whole bluff
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Ah, rip

split pagoda
hexed mountain
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we're talking about if its hour locked

elfin shale
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What are the two durations here?

heady cliff
elfin shale
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One is how long it gens blades for, one is how long the blades last?

heady cliff
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if you are stuck while zooming through the acts

rancid peak
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But thats such a boring way to do it. I thi k making it random in every single instance is SOOO much more interesting

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Thats a true risk scarab

heady cliff
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then 10 minutes of farming, a few more rare items and a new graft would overpower whatever mod is there easily

elfin shale
hexed mountain
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for the people racing

heady cliff
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+character levels is giga strong early

split pagoda
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Not saying its an issue but I can see people struggling alot harder than that lol

heady cliff
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nah i cant see that

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i played some "giga hard" gauntlet for a few acts for fun

rancid peak
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Why should we care about those racing when its not a race?

hexed mountain
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in trade its always a race

heady cliff
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i cleared all monsters on the way and weaver (which everyone complained about) didnt even scratch me

split pagoda
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ur mega overestimating the playerbase lol

heady cliff
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nothing more, just SINGLE area clears and not running past monsters

rancid peak
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But theres nothing like money on the line, so it quite literally isnt a poe race. Why should they cater to the 0.01%?

heady cliff
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campaign mods are non-issue.

split pagoda
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alot of people would spend like twice their usual campaign time in an SC gauntlet

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probably more

hexed mountain
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because even to others its more fun if everyone gets the same mods

heady cliff
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sure, it was like x2 time

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to full clear

whole bluff
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People not experienced in racing should go softcore so they should be fine. People going hardcore but not being super experienced are prolly those that suffer worst, but they do have the option to just go slow

heady cliff
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but then you get so ridiculously overpowered that even gauntlet cant stop you

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ESPECIALLY with breach online

whole bluff
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I mean half-casual HC mains, I would understand if they found it a bit annoying

hexed mountain
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the mods are not the worst in HC tbh , if they put the same additional mechanics to campain bosses as last time some are very rippy

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act 9 boss had dots everywhere if you were not high dps enough

heady cliff
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just get new uul hands graft and it would kill boss alone

elfin shale
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@sleek barn I mightve found a meme build i like that is actually playable. 100% uptime Vaal Venom Gyre

heady cliff
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instead of -20 levels one

hexed mountain
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someone remembers what ultimatum mods idols had?