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[pulsar dune]

paladin

[shadow socket]

40%

[onyx adder]

One spikey build dies, another one appears

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, but you gotta give it away

[pulsar dune]

do you?

idr the phrasing

[shadow socket]

i remember trying to do a self support armour stacker in last phrecia on paladin

[soft perch]

no

[shadow socket]

it was clunky as all hell

[soft perch]

just means linked targets also get ur effects

[proud gorge]

so I guess you could use the Flask Effect if you just didn't have a linked skill

so

*oh

no instead yeah

[karmic gust]

if my pc did not died from kboc penance mark i would try buildng that again :d

[proud gorge]

I guess that could work? Flask Effect Paladin? What else does Paladin even have

[modest depot]

actually pobbing duo build for phrecia and its sick that the tree lets you put this in your "budget" setup

[soft perch]

paladin is a great ascendancy

[modest depot]

free fractures is so fire

[soft perch]

its just boring as fuck

[proud gorge]

40% increased aura effect while you have a linked target

[shadow socket]

that one is great for aurabots, but giga bait for solo

[proud gorge]

yeah, other than the supportive stuff it's mostly generic power

[shadow socket]

just dont even try to make it work

[proud gorge]

I mean, you can play link minions

[soft perch]

dont think i would ever click paladin

just cuz its lame

[karmic gust]

you can make it work with the AG helmet now easily no

[soft perch]

also i hate paladins in wow

[shadow socket]

wait

[proud gorge]

Link Minions is a real build that exists, and it's not bad at all

[shadow socket]

yeah thats actually true

[proud gorge]

really lets you scale the fuck out of aura effect

[shadow socket]

forgot that existed now

[karmic gust]

super nice helmet

[soft perch]

nice another jank dogshit square wheel xantho build appears

good job db

[proud gorge]

I remember there's some jank-ass interaction with link skills and auras

[onyx adder]

Hey man

Someone has to waste 2000 hours trying jank

Sometimes u find non jank setups and i aint got time for that these days

[soft perch]

im just happy i found a self chill setup that isnt jank

[proud gorge]

where you use something that gives a ton of aura effect in return for making the aura not work properly, but then it's transmitted by the links anyways, giving you a bunch of free aura effect

[soft perch]

well it is a bit

but its bearable

[proud gorge]

I forget what it was though

[onyx adder]

I should have another look st paladin

[soft perch]

play something fun

paladin is boring

[frigid wedge]

is it sceptre fr

[onyx adder]

Maybe wait till patch notes

[soft perch]

also paladins are cringe

[onyx adder]

Im probably just going to play bv

Because offscreen setups lose to walls

[shadow socket]

the shotgun build making approach. Jackson Pollock the wall until something sticks

[soft perch]

no its just some icefang orbit + automated application through bladefall of trarthus/herald of thunder

[karmic gust]

i swear puncture venopuncture is fine for sef chill on any build

[soft perch]

its jank cuz u have to bleed yourself

[frigid wedge]

how is that getting u

[karmic gust]

yea but you get so long duration of th self bleed

[soft perch]

still jank

[onyx adder]

If its less than 20 seconds im not in

[soft perch]

automation vs manual press

what is this, poe2?

[onyx adder]

I dont even like pressing blood rage once per map

[karmic gust]

i think you can get it to 20 seconds withotu much effort

[soft perch]

its probably fine with manaforged arrows

[onyx adder]

Oh maybe

[frigid wedge]

lethe shade is the easiest way to fix duration for self chill

[onyx adder]

If u can totally automate it

[soft perch]

lethe shade doesnt do anything to reflected ailments

[proud gorge]

oh yeah I remember, it's that you use Generosity with The Hand of Phrecia

which gives you the generosity aura effect but still lets you benefit from the auras

[silent leaf]

remember Vine

we had that meme, Phre cia vo ca do

[soft perch]

lethe shade only works on ailments caused by damage you take

[frigid wedge]

oh nvm

[soft perch]

you can still increase duration of chill and stuff through normal chill duration if u use reflected ailments

[frigid wedge]

i see it

interesting

[proud gorge]

since Hand of Phrecia overwrites your auras to apply to you and linked targets regardless of their previous affecting

[silent leaf]

sussy

[frigid wedge]

why did image take 3 minutes to send

[soft perch]

the problem with forbidden rite is a) it hurts b) it hurts a lot if you trigger it in pretty much any way except trigger wep

[karmic gust]

just more duration and woke unbound on puncutre

[frigid wedge]

the trigger weapon mod is hybrid spell dmg now tho if u get a frac

[soft perch]

the other issue is it doesnt work with surfcaster

[proud gorge]

technically with CI you can use Forbidden Rite for free. It's just a way shittier FRoSS though

[soft perch]

because glacial wave says 'enemies chilled by your hits'

[proud gorge]

it's what I levelled with before getting Whispers

[soft perch]

which does work with reflected chill

but not self damage chill

[proud gorge]

honestly regular Forbidden Rite CI isn't terrible, it's just, uh, way worse than FRoSS

but the overlaps do a lot

I definitely wouldn't recommend, like, actually playing it

[soft perch]

youre missing the context

[proud gorge]

but it's less terrible than you'd think

[soft perch]

this was about hitting yourself with forbidden rite for self chill

[proud gorge]

oh

[past rain]

[proud gorge]

yeah that, big chaos hit

[frigid wedge]

call of the void self hit works iirc

for the dmg bonus

[soft perch]

unfortunately no

it has to be reflected

[proud gorge]

isn't Fulcrum literally the only way to reflect chills you inflict onto you

good old Fulcrum

[karmic gust]

both icefang and venopuncture are also reflected ailments

(e.g applied to the chill part too)

[proud gorge]

oh, interesting

so you can do a weird Golden Rule thing

[silent leaf]

thats how assassins run it

this league

[proud gorge]

makes sense

[silent leaf]

your both rings are occupied tho

since ur on winterweave

[proud gorge]

what a strange interaction, based entirely off the "Non-chilled enemies you poison are chilled" line, and having nothing whatsoever to do with the "you are chilled when you are poisoned" line

[silent leaf]

goratha is abusing it on spark this league on HC iirc

[proud gorge]

since I guess when poisons are being reflected, you're sort of your own enemy

[silent leaf]

reverse chill interaction w icefang + winter + golden

[karmic gust]

people ran it long time before this league

its fairly popular interaction

[proud gorge]

one issue is that it always inflicts only the base chill and nothing else, but I guess if you're going for a reverse chill setup then you're packing enough chill effect to max it out anyways

[karmic gust]

just not super worth doing most of the time

[silent leaf]

back then how do ppl run it actually

[karmic gust]

for 2 ring slots

[silent leaf]

since assassin got that ascendacy node

[karmic gust]

with hunter boots or watchers

[silent leaf]

no shot people run unique boots

oh

[karmic gust]

unaffcted by poison isnt exactly hard stat to get

[silent leaf]

hmm

ok now im kinda thinking of trying to run tainted pact

[proud gorge]

that's, uh, probably too many things, but it would successfully achieve Reverse Poison alongside your Reverse Chill

[rugged granite]

https://pobb.in/SnzynHJgCvkG my build is insane

[proud gorge]

where's my reverse ignite huh

[soft perch]

fulcrum

[proud gorge]

that's not reverse ignite, that's just ignite reflection

Reverse Shock, on the other hand, would be a great defensive tool

maybe too much of one

it's technically possible to reach over 100% max shock effect

since it's a damage increase

[silent leaf]

i mean

we have cloak of flame for reverse ignite no?

[icy blaze]

Phrecia is closer, man do I love dick so much

[silent leaf]

what

also we got bereks

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-cat-funny-cats-uhh-gif-5575392758585270122

[proud gorge]

me personally I'm a Tim Drake fan

but I can respect the classics

[icy blaze]

[silent leaf]

you get like 150% inc damage from CoF + 2 bereks for reverse ignite

[icy blaze]

[proud gorge]

not a huge fan of how the keep sidelining him though

Dick gets to be Batman, plus he's got his own solo series as Nightwing and some static teamups. Jason is Red Hood, of course, doing his own whole edgy thing. and Damian is honestly probably just going to remain Robin indefinitely at this point unless DC wants a real big shakeup

meanwhile Tim is, uh, there

[silent leaf]

in an alternate reality

Dick kills deathstroke

and takes up his mantle as Dick Str-

[proud gorge]

what, Injustice?

[silent leaf]

finish the name

[proud gorge]

nobody likes Injustice, shit ass AU

[silent leaf]

[icy blaze]

[proud gorge]

side note, to all you fighting game players out there, I recently discovered the worst sin of the Injustice games

Darkseid has a jumping low

which is wild

that's a move, that hits from above while he's jumping, that for some reason hits low and needs to be crouch blocked

it's like the only aerial low in all of fighting games, and for good reason

there's like no documentation on it because it's in Injustice 2 and nobody plays that shit ass game

[opal ingot]

how about a move where you jump into doing a low hit. that's technically a "jumping" low

akuma in tekken (yes) and ling has one

and kunimitsu, heihachi, yoshi

[proud gorge]

I mean, there's a few deceptive drop kicks yeah

but those are all technically grounded moves

actually it might not have been Darkseid, it might have been one of those other big bulky space villain types

there's a bunch of those in the game

[proud gorge]

I mean, Akuma has a grounded mid attack, which is a weird case of system interaction since it's a grounded overhead in Street Fighter, but in Tekken overheads are mids instead

so you block mid even though it looks like it's going high

and I think that's the one people mostly complain about

but yeah, there's a fair few moves in fighting games that are highly deceptive or hit stupidly, some moves that look like the character is in midair during the move but they're still strictly grounded, but only one Aerial Low

[plush gulch]

stacking armour with divine vessel and flawed refuge + 10% ele as chaos seems like a perfect defensive layer

when i say stacking I just mean a good amount

i want to do this with tainted pact but im worried about stacking enough dmg with this many unique

especially when I need to find a way to sustain flask so probably tide of time

[proud gorge]

one more thing about deceptive fighting game moves, I want you all to observe the absolute sin that is Byakuya's 3C. These are two different moves, they're both grounded anti-airs that also hit grounded opponents and cover half the screen. One of them is a low. The other one is an overhead. Please guess which one is which.

[plush gulch]

but I don't need resistance at all

[wheat sinew]

The darkness within the oain

[proud gorge]

I have no idea why anybody thought it was okay to have two nearly identical moves be a low and an overhead respectively good lord

[plush gulch]

where can I find the street fighter 5 channel to talk about poe

im joking alright xD

[proud gorge]

sounds kind of like this stupid-ass build I found last league
https://pobb.in/5gDKkymKxGt6

truly the most zdps uber killer around

[shadow socket]

rip old enduring cry

similar build, but check out the max hits on this bad boy https://pobb.in/GqLRVRI5-1Dv

[frigid wedge]

ive seen this for delve w vigilant strike

[grand flint]

what is legacy of phrecia? is that new league?

[split pagoda]

its an event league

[proud gorge]

very nice

looks like Lightning's a bit lacking there lmao

[grand flint]

ahh alr

[proud gorge]

what are you gonna do if someone hits you for 300,000 lightning damage huh?

[grand flint]

do we need to make new character in that event?

[shadow socket]

yes

[grand flint]

ahhh thanks

[proud gorge]

Event Leagues are to Keepers as Keepers is to Standard

[prime hill]

I wonder how hard scavenger is getting nerfed

[proud gorge]

at the end of Phrecia it'll merge into Keepers

[tranquil sedge]

it sucks we still dont have an actual end date for phrecia

sorry

i mean keepers

[proud gorge]

yeah

[frigid wedge]

early march they said

[stoic horizon]

wont it just go down like a week before next league as always

[tranquil sedge]

thats like a 2 week span at least lol

start to mid march is all still early

[proud gorge]

yeah but that could mean anywhere from March 1st to April 12th

[tranquil sedge]

LOL

[split pagoda]

doesnt rlly need a nerf tho

[tranquil sedge]

it also matters because it affects ur planning in phrecia

its explicitly being not voided

so people can farm things to take into keepers

and play with there

[frigid wedge]

scav kinda underwhelming

[prime hill]

Idk we know how ggg works so

[tranquil sedge]

but u have to know how long you get lol to plan anything

[steel light]

can't believe someone wants keepers to go on forever

[proud gorge]

eh, Scavenger is just the most powerful of the "generic build power" ascendancies. It has some interesting things in there, but most people just picked it for its generic defensive power.

[prime hill]

I mean they already nuked the elephants in the room that made scavenger stong, who knows

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[stoic horizon]

fortunately the nodes i want to use on scav arent the popular ones

[proud gorge]

The issue with Scavenger isn't that it's strong, that'll just lead to a different class becoming the new scavenger, it's that it's overly generic in its power. Nobody is building around 40% extra phys to fire, but it just makes any build that can run it that much stronger.

[prime hill]

Void battery etc was a lot of power aswell, free explody, zerphi's heart etc

[proud gorge]

yeah

all the most picked Scavenger nodes were the ones that just gave you "stuff" that made your existing build better in generic ways

unfortunately that tends to be how it goes with any similar thing. Wildwood ascendancy, bloodline ascendancy, etc. I mean, it makes sense, the largest number of people just want to run the thing that makes their existing strong thing do more in a generic manner, that's what makes them the largest number of people, but still.

[prime hill]

Ngl cloak of flames was way stronger than normal version aswell

No 'from hits'

[proud gorge]

Oh, didn't know that, but wack

[prime hill]

And yeah

[proud gorge]

does that mean it converted bleed damage to fire?

[prime hill]

Everything was converted to fire, ye

[proud gorge]

you know, technically fire damage bleed is "burning damage"

[split pagoda]

If anything I can see it getting some changed nodes as its prob pretty easy to do given everything is unique items but its not like the ascendancy was ever popping off compared to some others

[prime hill]

Scavenger was just best mid league ascendancy

You farmed your idols etc and swapped to something else

[split pagoda]

I dont think it was that either

[proud gorge]

it was generically good, which made it a good enough fit for a lot of different builds

not perfect, but good enough

[prime hill]

I mean with mid league I mean non bait starters anyway

[proud gorge]

plus it gave you a ton of free defenses

and people do like free defenses

[prime hill]

^

[split pagoda]

ya I dont think scav starters were anything special

[proud gorge]

honestly I think Mageblood would be a lot less popular (though still incredibly popular) if it didn't have defensive implications

[prime hill]

I mean they took out almost every offensive affixes from flasks lol

What, just crit left now?

[proud gorge]

but it having defensive implications means that rather than being a big offensive boost to a build, it's just a required build component in a lot of builds because they use it to cover res

[proud gorge]

Onslaught, which is very powerful

[split pagoda]

AC on the other hand id say is the most disgustingly op ascendancy theyve ever made in terms of starters

[proud gorge]

lot of free attack and cast speed

[prime hill]

Oh yeah onslaught aswell

[onyx adder]

Hard agree

Scav got a lot of attention because of streamers hyping ps miner

[proud gorge]

AC was also generically powerful yeah, but I assume it was too defensive for people

[plush gulch]

are there foulborn on pob?

[onyx adder]

Its a fine ascendancy but if u wanted to just stomp content u played AC

[proud gorge]

I believe so? Lemme check

[prime hill]

I just did the easier one

Hexblast sanctum jail

Then I swapped off to AC lmao

[proud gorge]

huh, doesn't seem like you can easily pull up a Foulborn in PoB no. The stats work, but I can't figure out how to generate one

[plush gulch]

thanks

i couldn't find either

[proud gorge]

I guess you'll have to import them using the item import

bleh

[plush gulch]

i can't even check if self poison works

im sad

[steel light]

[plush gulch]

I won't use this xD

i have big plan for immortality

[steel light]

it's a implicit, but what's that asc for? the special class asc has poison related buffs?

[stoic horizon]

just read whats on the screenshot

bruh

apart from that it has just generic dot boost node as well

• ig the life cost stack also could apply to poison since its flat phys/chaos

which counts for poison

[tranquil sedge]

if anyone was wondering what magefist would leaguestart phrecia with
well good news there's no surprises there 😂

[stoic horizon]

watching it rn

[plush gulch]

it has life stacking stuff, dot stuff. It's bog shaman you can check on the wiki

[stoic horizon]

bros going wildspeaker again as expected

[steel light]

missed the blue text

[soft perch]

its a hardcore ascendancy

[stoic horizon]

i played it in sc

[soft perch]

its very tanky but a much worse softcore leaguestarter cuz its not high damage and it doesnt offer speed

[stoic horizon]

idk tec slam cry was very good dmg

and leap slam is good speed

[shadow socket]

most dont give any speed tbh

surfcaster has a ton, but past that?

[stoic horizon]

for speed you have surf

[soft perch]

its still speed and not a lot of damage

which makes it worse in sc compared to hc

[shadow socket]

arakaali has some speed I guess

but only if you pick spiders

[stoic horizon]

and still it was the second most picked asc in sc

[soft perch]

ye cuz its comfy to be rly tanky

[split pagoda]

i still think its one of the absolute best starters in sc tho, even if its even better in HC

[soft perch]

i dont like slow starters tho

[stoic horizon]

and scav was dominant just because of siphon mines and rf

oh and also hexblast was next in line after these

so basically only 1/3 of the popular builds out for scav

[soft perch]

think a lot of phrecia starters were just a bit unknown

blind prophet and whisperer should be much more common now

and wildspeaker

[split pagoda]

like even for sc there are not many builds that comfortably get you farming t17s without dying on the most dogshit gear

[modest depot]

its only earthshatter

even in phrecia

[split pagoda]

ya I think so too

this league probably even more so cuz of the extra mods

[modest depot]

yeah

[split maple]

Question is how important Will be farming t17 early in (sc) trade tho

[modest depot]

can't wait to get bum fucked by some random enraged 10 mod t16 map boss for completion

[split maple]

Like with Phrecia idols t16.5 shit may be good enough

[modest depot]

league hasn't started and im already getting ptsd from burial chamber completion

im gonna transmute regal vaal that map

[stoic horizon]

i wont have minions this time so im safe

[tranquil sedge]

still important

boss frags

[prime hill]

^

Chase items will be still maven gems/nimis/sublime/watchers etc

[split pagoda]

i havent played sc in awhile to know exactly how lucrative rushing t17s/ubers on there is nowadays tbh

i imagine its still super super good but not as crazy as on hc for obvious reasons

[modest depot]

echoes/progenesis/oriath end/ tides of time/ nebulis/ashes are big value early

[prime hill]

uber carries is kind of money that sets you for whole league if you get there early

[modest depot]

massive thread too

they are common items too

and generally early league the t17 maps are piss cheap

[split pagoda]

yep just banging out t17s and running the frags u get should be extremely profitable

[tranquil sedge]

its nice but not that crazy ye

like for example if ur making 10-15d/hr in harvest on say a 8mod t16 map rush

in t17 if u also kill the boss, u prob now make 25-30d/hr

so its worth going for but its not like it stops u progressing if u can't do that

that was the kinda experience i had in phrecia and merc league

i was at 30d+ in merc league just running cornucopia on ziggurat

[modest depot]

its like all things u can just get a carry or wait till u can do it

[tranquil sedge]

now maybe its a little less coz map effect got nerfed right and t17 mods got nerfed

[modest depot]

im probably just gonna get a friend to give me scarab slot

[tranquil sedge]

yea voidstones and all scarab slots are still a priority

even if u dont run t17s it still opens up other t16 strats just having that extra slot

like cloister or settlers or harbinger or whatever

[tranquil sedge]

either that or pay the 30-50c or whatever its on tft

its always cheap enough to be worth it

i pretty much always buy maven voidstone, uber elder voidstone and t17 scarab asap once i can afford them

coz im slow to get there myself

[modest depot]

im thinking phrecia trade start im doing normal map prog
live searching kirac chance idols + betrayal idols and buying as they show up.
after t16 completions im running exarch idols or heist idols for early money gen.
after juicing that for a few hours its gonna be blight invigoration. pending patch notes

seems like a good setup for making some juice

[stoic horizon]

real

is till try to do the bosses later tho

[tranquil sedge]

have a livesearch up for map effect idols and buy any that come cheap too

[modest depot]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

even if its not a priority just have the search running anyway

you can recomb the 1 mod idols yourself later

[modest depot]

need 7 3x1 3 mod idols for my farm

[past rain]

what build are y playing for phrecia 2.0 ?

[stoic horizon]

something eblade scavenger

[split pagoda]

im guessing echoes retains its value good bit longer this event in sc

[stoic horizon]

will try few spells see which feels best

[tranquil sedge]

you can start at 2mod tho right

like combination of 2 mods from the 3 mod pool

[modest depot]

kinda

[split maple]

i want to have idol datamine like yday

if lost shipments are strong.... 😄

[modest depot]

im mean technically you can start with 1 mods. it just get better

[tranquil sedge]

ye but 2 mod recomb doesn't feel bad at least

3 mod starts being effort

[modest depot]

betrayal if u do riker in fortification should give you chest with 1-5 unique idols

[tranquil sedge]

if u can get the set of 2 mod idols ready for ur strat then once u farm enough to afford a bunch of 3 mods just start slamming together your own 2-mods

[modest depot]

using that for league start and gonna sell wrath of cosmo/destructive play for some early currency

[tranquil sedge]

even if u fail its whatever u have $ to buy the 3 mod outright

[modest depot]

i just don't think they will exist

i had same issue last phrecia where i had to make my own rogue exile idols

[split maple]

i mean if they made lost shipments idols small enough that you can get like 30-50% lost shipment replaces ore you can already prolly farm full tree worth of herald tatos to bring back to keepers in like <100 maps on 1-mod idols

[tranquil sedge]

nah they will exist

they will also be $$

dont forget that async means idols will actually be purchaseable

instead of smoothbrain players listing at 5d, u whisper, they relist at 10d

[modest depot]

yeah but generally these idols have low weight its so hard to actually just find one

[tranquil sedge]

repeat until it never sells the whole league

[tranquil sedge]

i think ppl will have learned from the past phrecia tbh

and async will incentivize listing things for sale

ppl now know the importance of gold gambling for idols

[modest depot]

i checked back for my old idols and remembered this juicer lol

[tranquil sedge]

LOL

[tranquil sedge]

man these things lmfao

i have a set of those lying around

[past rain]

12% chance to contain 12 additional rogues

holy

48% chance to 48 rogues

[tranquil sedge]

not the giga perfect ones like that monster u have

[modest depot]

got offered 1 mirror for this lol

[past rain]

[tranquil sedge]

but close enough

[modest depot]

and said no

[tranquil sedge]

yepppp

i think my set was 'only' like 200 or 300d

and man the mods fucking exponentially interact with each other

i regretted buying them i shoulda saved for a better set heh

[modest depot]

got my entire set for maybe 100d

[tranquil sedge]

?? how

[modest depot]

because i was farming this before fubgun blew it up

[past rain]

was gold farming the best way to get idols i remember?

[tranquil sedge]

nice

[past rain]

t17 gold farm

[modest depot]

it was rogue exiles last time

[tranquil sedge]

if u were trying to farm your own idols i mean yea pretty much the only real way to do it

[modest depot]

but yeah gold farming in general

[tranquil sedge]

gamble gold for tabs of idols

[past rain]

and recomb ig

[tranquil sedge]

otherwise just farm for $ and buy or recomb your way up

[modest depot]

@past rain its gonna be blight for best gold farm or maybe somethin with allflames but they will be priced out for carries

[past rain]

yeah the allflames

[tranquil sedge]

hopefully the patch notes contain end date for 3.27 too

like all ur planning for migrating to keepers isn't gonna mean shit if it ends too quickly after phrecia

[tranquil sedge]

yea if ur gonna buy gold rotas try to nolife the first 2-3 days honestly and buy a bunch when its cheap

that shit price is gonna go up fast

[strong totem]

This is the funniest thing that doesn't exist anymore. No more price checking sales trends

[steel light]

idols have to be recomb?

[tranquil sedge]

they can be if you want

[modest depot]

tbh gold all flames probably better currency to invest into than mirror/locks lol

[tranquil sedge]

and the best idols will be recombs, yes

4 perfect mods dropping out of thin air? way too much rng

just for one, let alone a full set lol

perfect idol sets for meta strats will be priced in mirrors

so if u like recombinating well thats a valid moneymaking strat too

but u do need some capital to start with and be prudent on when u settle/sell for more money to continue

[tranquil sedge]

ppl complained about it being harder to 'snipe' underpriced stuff coz bots
but i see it the other way
async means prices normalize way faster and reflect the real value of items better now

if u underprice, a bot will snipe and take ur money, so even undercutting has to be done sensibly

and if u overprice well theres a hundred other ppl gonna sell for less than u and nobody is gonna bother with effort of dealing with you

• increased overall supply of items

yea prices go down a bit across the board but that's dwarfed by the pure fun it is to play with async

[tranquil sedge]

also what are the bots going to do lmao

they buy and then just re-list them at the 'correct' price

items are not magically disappearing from economy

async is great

[heady cliff]

it also depends on what idol size lost shipments would be

1x1? 10c max no matter the rarity

2x2? 10d

[tranquil sedge]

also that other strat where people farmed harvest for crop value to send shipments lol

might be possibly worth it too again

[split maple]

prayge niko idols still give azurite while we at it 😄

[modest depot]

yeah chief thats not happening

[past rain]

i forgot how did people negate this 20% accuracy loss?

[split maple]

pantheon?

[pliant hamlet]

unaffected by blind iirc

[whole bluff]

25% more accuracy, pantheon, timeless jewel, etc

[stoic horizon]

panth is cant be blinded not unaffected afaik

[split maple]

didnt garukhan work there

i remember it was fucky

[stoic horizon]

yes

[past rain]

ah okaly

[pliant hamlet]

You cannot be Maimed``` yeah

dark seer is unaffected mb

[whole bluff]

Blind without effect isn't a big thing unless you stack evasion though. Even then it's not that big, but obviously if you actively try to scale evasion you don't want a less multi

[pliant hamlet]

matters for acc stackers, i joined late and idk what the convo is about

[whole bluff]

Ah, fair enough

Evasion formula makes blind without effect quite unimpactful anyway

[pliant hamlet]

the 20% reduced light radius can be annoying

[whole bluff]

So unless you need both acc and eva, or scale other effects from either, I'd just overpower it

[pliant hamlet]

especially if you're stacking it on other light radius reductions

[whole bluff]

I guess yeah

[pliant hamlet]

LL + perma blind = everything is red lol

[whole bluff]

xD

[pliant hamlet]

I hated this lol

20% less evasion is no small amount

but nobody plays evasion builds

[whole bluff]

It's bigger than the accuracy at least

[pliant hamlet]

lol

[whole bluff]

Accuracy is a nuisance, blind makes it a bigger nuisance, but I understand why they don't really use accuracy for melee in poe2

It is unimpactful cuz it's usually easy to solve and the less multi doesn't do much, imo

[pliant hamlet]

If you're scaling it offensively it does

just like acc

[whole bluff]

And if it wasn't a nuisance it would be aids

[pliant hamlet]

but again, who the hell is playing evasion stackers lol

[whole bluff]

Yeah

Maybe oshabi? Seems very doable to get 120k evasion on oshabi

[stoic horizon]

uhm technically armor stackers are evasion stackers 🤓 ☝️

[pliant hamlet]

I mean fair, but I don't think you care about 12% crit on armor stackers

[stoic horizon]

ye i wouldnt astack on blind

[strong totem]

I was an auction house doubter but it works and is healthy. I believe this is because of how many different items are in the game. It was getting to the point where in person trade was a full time job

[stoic horizon]

honestly even surfcaster makes more sense for astack

[split maple]

thats still "just" 260500% incr

[whole bluff]

Blind is another of those things approaching 0 with effect

[split maple]

which isnt small, but not enough to take oshabi

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[tranquil sedge]

yep
groups having dedicated traders, people offering trader services on TFT, those were only things coz of how much effort it was lol

edit: not that they don't still exist just easier now would be a better way to say it yh

[pliant hamlet]

Honestly, thinking about it, 12% base crit, nimis and +2 projectiles isn't bad for armor stackers

[split maple]

like i rly want to like oshabi but if you aint making a shriner it dont make much sense

[sharp void]

In what channel can I ask about crashes?

[pliant hamlet]

Maybe it deserves more consideration

[tranquil sedge]

anywhere i imagine, here is fine too

[modest depot]

these still very much exist

[pliant hamlet]

getting crit cap off of a 5% is ass

[tranquil sedge]

they do but its less mandatory now i feel like

[modest depot]

infact i don't think anything changed in that regard

traders job are a bit easier lol

[tranquil sedge]

fine thats probably a better way to say that

[undone gazelle]

Any1 remember how much it cost to recomb idols ?

[pliant hamlet]

Any builds only possible on phrecia? Behemoth feels like the most unique experience

[pliant hamlet]

people are talking 100k+

[split maple]

recombi cost changed a lot since phrecia in general

i wouldnt rely on old data

[pliant hamlet]

but we don't know

[split maple]

indigon + non-wand attacks

[modest depot]

its possible in league but my hype pinnacle goal for phrecia event is gonna be a golden charlatan build with scavenger

[tranquil sedge]

idk like 5-15k gold an attempt maybe idk

[whole bluff]

Idk if there's any caster clear speed build enabled by surfcaster?

[tranquil sedge]

maybe 20k ish dust? i really dont remember

[modest depot]

double blunderbore + obliteration + death rush

or just go blunderbore from ascendancy and a real chest

[whole bluff]

In theory, surfcaster could allow a spell to play like a deadeye bower/wander, but there's no spell

[tranquil sedge]

indigon attack builds that aren't kbolt/kblast

[pliant hamlet]

hmm, Could play blind prophet soul rend of the spiral

I've never been able to play it because nimis is a dick to get in ssf/gsf

[whole bluff]

I suppose all of shadow is enabled in phrecia lul

[pliant hamlet]

indigon flicker could be fun

[sharp void]

I am getting into poe1 after poe2
I love it but it keeps crashing after 2-8 min of play
Every time it shows the same error "vector too long"
I have 0 problems with poe2 and good frames
I tried updating drivers, verifying game files, reinstalling the game, deleting shader cache and fiddling with video and sound settings
Nothing worked yet
I managed to get more frames but that also didn't help
frames don't even drop before it crashes

[stoic horizon]

uh i think siegebreaker zombies isnt really viable outside of phrecia

[split maple]

the race if you will be out of freenzies or mana sooner

or practically probably out of targets to flicker to

[pliant hamlet]

hahah

[tight plinth]

have you switched rederer thingy?

[pliant hamlet]

Does herald enable anything interesting..? 100% inc buff affect is interesting

Herald of purity facebreakers could be neat

[stoic horizon]

doesnt really enable but makes hoag good dmg, just need to solve tank

[pliant hamlet]

witch start is ass though lol

[sharp void]

I changed from directx 12 to 11 to vulkan if that is what you mean

[whole bluff]

Low effort flicker on wildspeaker is prolly a thing, acrobatics seems like an option on wildspeaker, dex stack wildspeaker, architect and puppeteer are both giga interesting

[split maple]

wildspeaker looks like very good "on budget" ascendancy for a lot of stuff

[stoic horizon]

thats exactly what magefist talked in his vid lmao

[split maple]

• free campaign

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[stoic horizon]

early flicker with acro

[tight plinth]

is it standalone client? maybe try the steam one or vice versa

[soft perch]

accuracy exists in poe2

[whole bluff]

Great minds think alike

[soft perch]

u just dont need a lot if youre melee

but if youre a strength build u tend to need like 400 accuracy or so

[whole bluff]

It's better that way imo

[pliant hamlet]

Reversed Odds seems so powerful

[soft perch]

agree

[pliant hamlet]

gambler's 50% to treat enemy ele res as inverted

[sharp void]

that seems like a good idea
I have used steam so I will try standalone now
thanks

[pliant hamlet]

so you have 75% of the t0 sword w/o having mediocre speed/damage

could play doryani and convert all ele damage taken to lightning

[whole bluff]

Gambler could use a buff imo, though idk exactly how

[split maple]

replace its lucky/unlucky block node to lucky/lucky

and it will be a very funny version of glad

[frigid wedge]

by not having every node fuck up the other side of the same thing

you may scale block

but only 1

you may play crit, but no dmg, or dmg but no crit

etc

[whole bluff]

They could add stats too

[split maple]

your strength is lucky

your dex is unlucky

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[whole bluff]

Nah, "50% chance to deal 50% more dmg", heads/tails +15% block, idk

[pliant hamlet]

"Abilities that use charges gain damage as if using double charges 50% of the time"
"Abilities that use charges gain damage as if using 0 charges, 50% of the time"

[whole bluff]

Enemies are unlucky when dealing dmg to you

[split maple]

thats already a node on lowlife no?

[pliant hamlet]

What's the math on growing accumulator?

[whole bluff]

Yeah, just remove low life condition

[split maple]

thats what 30% less dmg taken on avg or smh like that?

would be handy

[whole bluff]

Would be very strong vs lightning, not vs everything though

And somewhat RNG, as the theme

[pliant hamlet]

55% deal 75% damage
30% deal 150% damage
15% deal 225% damage

That comes out to be...20% more damage for an ascendency

That seems...fine?

[whole bluff]

And it should probably have "30% more maximum attack dmg" rather than polytheist

[pliant hamlet]

Make it 1% chance to deal some stupid amount of damage

damage with hits is unlucky makes lightning damage unplayable

[whole bluff]

Quintuple, specifically so it wont work with ailments

Rather than giga more and you just fish for it

[karmic gust]

lucky/unlucky is 30% only for lightning no

[pliant hamlet]

"1% of the time deal 1000% more attack damage"

[karmic gust]

and most enemies dont have lightning damage ranges even if they are lightning

[whole bluff]

Something like that

[pliant hamlet]

the fact that the gambler doesn't have a 1% chance on every single node is disappointing

gimme my omega high roll

I want some 1/100,000 chance that all 4 of my ascendencies line up and nuke whatever im hitting from orbit lol

[whole bluff]

Gambler should have some lucky nodes, and then some risk nodes

[karmic gust]

sounds fun only in theory i dont think anyone would actually play that even for memes

[whole bluff]

Maybe risk to the left, luck to the right

So any penalty with big wins on one half, just luck on the other

[heady cliff]

gambler has hidden 1/10000 chance to summon krillson

(actually not, but you could believe in it)

(or maybe it has, who knows?)

[karmic gust]

definitely does i heard it on internet

[whole bluff]

For real? Damn

We need to spread the news

[pliant hamlet]

I'm saying add to the current gambler
1% chance to treat enemy as if he has -200% res on reversed odds, 1% chance to deal 5 - 10x damage on growing accumulator, etc. Just fun lil things that make you feel that high roll potential

[heady cliff]

someone WILL abuse it for ignites, you know?

5% explodes are meta

[whole bluff]

That's why you should use words like "double, triple, pentuple, quintuple"

[pliant hamlet]

das why we use attack damage

[whole bluff]

Or attack tag

But woespike

[onyx adder]

After today i think we should just ban anyone who talks about woespike

For like a week

[stoic horizon]

what quadruple did to you

[karmic gust]

0.01% chance that enemy dies on hit

[whole bluff]

[karmic gust]

and drops no loot

[heady cliff]

woespike is a genius GGG solution to melee boss damage (/s, probably)

[stoic horizon]

the true solution to melee boss dmg is dealing enough dmg

[whole bluff]

Ngl, we did have too much woespike talk today

And I'm partly to blame for it

[heady cliff]

Four shalt thou not count

[whole bluff]

Wdym, I listed everything worth mentioning

[stoic horizon]

and didnt even mention sextuple smhmh

[karmic gust]

https://giphy.com/gifs/editingandlayout-NEvPzZ8bd1V4Y

[stoic horizon]

unless you are one of the maniacs who says hextuple instead

[pulsar dune]

If I have 30% chance to deal double damage and 10% chance to deal triple damage, do I end up with a 60% chance to do neither, or 63%?

[whole bluff]

Triple overrides afaik

[pulsar dune]

That I know

The question is whether they add to 40, or whether they roll independently

[hard cliff]

bleed???

[whole bluff]

Nah, fairly sure some red name said they're separate

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, you get one big hit, and then the other tiny hits proc rupture and aggravate

[whole bluff]

So:
10% triple
27% double
63% single

[pulsar dune]

I see

[whole bluff]

Idk 100%

But 90%

[gentle ice]

finished my hideout for phrecia i'm ready for it 😁

[heady cliff]

toucans where

[stoic horizon]

if you truly want to be accurate you substract the chance of rolling tripple over double, unless you already did that

[hard cliff]

very interesting

[heady cliff]

or 800 weta hideout

[limpid prairie]

If you have 100% double DMG chance and 10% triple DMG chance
Do you deal 6 times the DMG from time to time?

[whole bluff]

Yeah, 10% less chance to deal triple sex* so 30%->27% (to deal double)

[pulsar dune]

No, triple wins

[gusty pewter]

anyone ever run into a problem where you cant click on teleports or items on ground I have tryed so many dif things inclooding reloging nothing helps as of yet

[whole bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[limpid prairie]

Always sad

[somber sundial]

I go from “build done” to “ oh now I need 400 more divines”

I replace my godlike tincture with a wine of the prophet

[limpid prairie]

Mmmh

[ocean field]

Does this mean you cannot gain or accquire frenzy charge in any way?

[heady cliff]

iirc that is part of the badge boss killer tech

[pulsar dune]

Indeed, gaining frenzy charges will be impossible

Ralakesh works for the buffs

[stoic horizon]

there is one way

well ok you dont gain them

min charges still work

[heady cliff]

badge of the brotherhood

[ocean field]

I see

tbh this is lowkey bad for trickster then

[pulsar dune]

Badge isn't relevant

You'd just click ralakesh or smth

[heady cliff]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers?items=Badge+of+the+Brotherhood&keystones=Inner+Conviction&sort=dps boss killers

aka exarch/eater farmers

[pulsar dune]

I know how PC stacking works

But badge doesn't fix the downside of the keystone

[stoic horizon]

they still use ralakesh for the charges

[pulsar dune]

(it's in fact a bit useless if you can't fix the downside of the keystone, e.g. with min charge spectrums, or, more realistically, frenzy ralakesh)

[heady cliff]

for power charges, yeah

[stoic horizon]

for frenzy

[heady cliff]

hm

[stoic horizon]

you cant gain frenzy charges with that keystone

they still get power charges regardless of ralakesh or not cuz pcharge on crit is a bis support on them

as well as charged traps

[pulsar dune]

Well, that'd be bad if they are farming eater/exarch

[heady cliff]

plenty of power charges in that list

[stoic horizon]

ok in context of oneshoting you want before the hits happen true

[pulsar dune]

Unless you're so over invested you win despite not having charges all the time

[pulsar dune]

For some reason people run badge without frenzy charges, yea

Idk if it's POB padding or if they're just bad

[barren river]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-cold-gif-4825782861625284733

[soft perch]

if they dont have inner conviction its fine

[pulsar dune]

They have inner conviction

[heady cliff]

way too many power charges for them to be bad

perhaps at this level of damage they prefer no ramp

[pulsar dune]

But they're also probably over invested so much it oneshots anyway

[heady cliff]

so they swap from frenzy to power

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, but then they shouldn't even run badge smh

[soft perch]

then ye if u use ralakesh + inner conviction + badge then u are bad

power charge ralakesh*

[stoic horizon]

oh wait i forgot ralakesh gives one charge type now lmao

[pulsar dune]

IG min charge spectrums don't drop, so it is a little cooked

[stoic horizon]

tf is that dude doing with power charge boots at the top

[pulsar dune]

At the top it's definitely a POB warrior

[stoic horizon]

and not just him

others use pcharge ones too

[pulsar dune]

If you can tank the elixir that's one option to fix ramp.

Yeah, could be people blindly copying old builds IG

Oh, power ralakesh means you can run the +1 PC belt

That's why you use it

[tranquil sedge]

ye

anytime u see ralakesh + maven belt
thats why

[heady cliff]

yep, all graven users run power charges

[stoic horizon]

ah right

but then why badge lmao

[heady cliff]

mystery solved

[pulsar dune]

The theoretical new tech is using nameless bloodline to take a foulborn lantern instead of the belt

[tranquil sedge]

frenzy

ur max frenzy = ur max power

frenzy is a dps multiplier

[heady cliff]

ye but you cant gain frenzy

[pulsar dune]

How do you get positive frenzy with inner conviction tho

[pulsar dune]

Then you can generate power charges and run ralakesh

[stoic horizon]

and no they dont use grand spectrums

[tranquil sedge]

err remind me why

[stoic horizon]

look above

[tranquil sedge]

ah

[heady cliff]

"gain power charges instead of frenzy charges"

[tranquil sedge]

okay why badge then

[heady cliff]

maybe ralakesh transfers "count as" to frenzy too?

[pulsar dune]

POB warrior for the first ranked one

[heady cliff]

that would be giga silly but still

[tranquil sedge]

filtering out badge drops the pob numbers quite a lot

[pulsar dune]

Yea, ninja ticks frenzies for these builds

[heady cliff]

then probably a bad guide

and everyone just copies

but there are almost noone without badge

1 page of decent dps vs like 5-10 (probably)

wtf

[tranquil sedge]

i removed badge from the link that was shared

its at 18% usage

[pulsar dune]

Obviously badge users will be higher, since some run frenzy ralakesh and the rest are padded

[heady cliff]

badge 74% for boss killers

(filtered by zhp)

even 79% if you filter for 1k ehp

just.... why?

breaking news, 74% of the players [img]?

[whole bluff]

Occultists too, and spell so no nightblade

[stoic horizon]

sounds about right

with how many non endu charge ralakesh i have seen on slayer setups

[steel light]

why is deception contract singled out for sale when gianna can do preception and counter-thaumaturgy too?

[modest depot]

deception has no doors when u leave

so even disregarding gianna its the fastest contract to run

[steel light]

damn

[whole bluff]

Deception has been the best heist contract since before they nuked contracts, I'm surprised they're still any value though

[steel light]

i break the rules

[pulsar dune]

Some of them are frenzy ralakesh

Which is fine

[stoic horizon]

well frenzy ralakesh is also reading issue moment if they use maven belt

if they dont its fine its prob the actual setup

[whole bluff]

The setup could be like, graven, power ralakesh, badge, grand spectrum. But I assume that's not what they're doing

[heady cliff]

68% badge with maven belt

[stoic horizon]

yep no spectrums

[heady cliff]

23% spectums though

[stoic horizon]

thats not a lot

[heady cliff]

some DO have an intelligence

[whole bluff]

This is where they are

[heady cliff]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/UnethicalBabaji-1138/GnomikHuekrad?i=1&search=keystones%3DInner%2BConviction%26items%3DGraven%2527s%2BSecret%252CGrand%2BSpectrum%26max-ehp%3D1000%26sort%3Ddps this one seems legit

[stoic horizon]

ye that one uses brain

[steel light]

fuck counter-thaumaturgy 🙄

[heady cliff]

just run through

lowest damage trap out of them all

[stoic horizon]

lmao

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, you can do third ring instead of belt and it's fine.

[heady cliff]

survivable even with normal builds

(meanwhile noone got baited on that pob name )

[steel light]

i think i died due to unseen obstructions and lag spike before, i ain't fucking with it at lvl 99

[elder marlin]

sunblast is better

[pulsar dune]

These builds exist to oneshot eater/exarch

[elder marlin]

yea and more traps means higher trap stack

[pulsar dune]

Have you read sunblast?

[elder marlin]

better pre dmg

oh wait

i thought its 2 extra traps

[ocean field]

https://pobb.in/qrt2vSnAbeoh gng any issues or upgrades I can do to this?

[hard cliff]

only 48 bajillion dps smh

[ocean field]

yeah thought of fitting coiling whisper

but that is lowkey pain in the ass

not to mention it sucks you dry

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[split pagoda]

rightslot shavs doesnt seem good

[ocean field]

yeah the only reason it is there is to regen

ES

[split pagoda]

id make it leftslot or drop it

[ocean field]

cause sometimes I end in phases where I can't leech

[molten dirge]

wtf do a play in the next season

[ocean field]

yeah good point

[molten dirge]

😒

[ocean field]

trickster

[split pagoda]

u can get regen from flask suffix

[ocean field]

fross or sodj

[split pagoda]

much better

[ocean field]

oh

I didn't know this

[split pagoda]

its a crafted mod

[ocean field]

I see

thanks

what ring should I use here tho

assuming I am removing shav reval

[split pagoda]

synth ring

[ocean field]

??

[strong totem]

For power charges

[ocean field]

oh

[strong totem]

At this budget you might look into corrupting helmets for power charges

[ocean field]

wdym bro

corrupted helmet with good mods is like 50-100 div

[split pagoda]

I personally prefer poison fross to hit tbh

[ocean field]

the poison is there just to prevent critical strikes against me

[ocean field]

how does this work??

[strong totem]

Sounds right to me. Too much cost?

[split pagoda]

I mean just fullon poison instead

[steady elk]

should i be using scarabs and stuff in early/mid game?

[ocean field]

yeah I think the build is relavily cheap should be sub 200 div. excluding mageblood Since all armor can just be crafting by using recomb.

[steel light]

are the ice traps assassin expensive to get up to speed to one shot bosses? want to make a boss killer since cws can't really do bosses

[ocean field]

while +1 power charge is a significant damage improvement

[strong totem]

Fossil vendors think item is valuable, craft and corrupt

[ocean field]

what

what do you mean

[steel light]

we're all cheapskates that usually only start using when we have 6 slots

[strong totem]

Craft good helmets and corrupt them

[ocean field]

oh gamba

yeah I guess

chances are pretty low tho

I guess I could sell the other helmets

which fail

I think I will use the other ring slot for resistances and attributs

since that is not taken into acc at the moment

I assumed I would be sorta lucky in the suffix rolls for the armor pieces

[steel light]

how ex to get all exodius pieces?

[ocean field]

My next project is making a non-crit ephermal edge sodj trickster

will prolly be my league start

coming 29th

[steel light]

grand spectrum x3 = 9 min frenzy charges? did i misread per?

[split pagoda]

sodj?

[ocean field]

smite of divine judgement

[split pagoda]

oh

gl

[crimson hearth]

how do i know my accuracy rating?

[ocean field]

check the character stats

[steel light]

it shows in offence?

[ocean field]

for exact accuracy I think u need pob

iirc

[pulsar dune]

it's 1 per grand spectrum, and you have 3 spectrums, so 3 charges from every jewel, times 3 jewels

[crimson hearth]

well im asking because it isnt there

il js do pob

[ocean field]

yeah just pob

[leaden mural]

so does this node work for totems and mines as well as minions? Like can you leech es and life with those things with this node if you had health on kill or es on kill?

[steel light]

i'm sleepy, so i'm right right?

[pulsar dune]

yea, you are right

[steel light]

hmm grand spectrum is 11d each, so 33d

[past rain]

cheap

[steel light]

15D on standard

[crimson hearth]

why cant pob import my character

i enterd discriminator and name but no matches

[tranquil sedge]

selected playstation instead of pc?

and ur profile is public?

[crimson hearth]

also im ps5 why isnt that an option only ps4 pc xbox and some weird shit

[tranquil sedge]

ps4 is the same thing

just select that

[crimson hearth]

oh

i was private

howthefuck do i make it public smh

nvm i did it

[steel light]

he reveals his private in public

[remote sparrow]

Can you use lancing steel of spraying with a dagger in off hand?

[crimson hearth]

ITS STILL NOT IMPORTING

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG

[remote sparrow]

Is it profile public?

[crimson hearth]

yes

[potent horizon]

started using fulcrum on my elementalist and its pretty fun just hard to get used to after playing heavy caster builds

[remote sparrow]

So can you search for your account name?

[crimson hearth]

no results

[remote sparrow]

Are you using correct name not your characters name the name of the account itself

[crimson hearth]

oh

[remote sparrow]

It will list all of your characters under your account to import once it syncs

[remote sparrow]

Ya got it working yet champ?

[stoic horizon]

lmao im checking similar builds on what i want to do in poe ninja and only 3 characters didnt use mb

[remote sparrow]

Im trying to decide what to start and not a single person is using my idea so idk if I am a genius or it's just shit

[stoic horizon]

oh and one of these has hh and all of them have kalandras touch

kek

[remote sparrow]

Also does anyone know if Can you use lancing steel of spraying with a dagger in off hand?

[steel light]

everything is better with megablood - mageblood salesman

[stoic horizon]

if lancing steel can use daggers yes

if no then no

i filtered mb out and its literally just 3 characters

ninja shows 96% using mb

[crimson hearth]

smh i give up

[normal hedge]

you just put the number

Wheres the rest

[steel light]

🙄

[remote sparrow]

Does anyone know why ppl dont use cobra lash to trigger CoC spells? Seems like a good applicator

[crimson hearth]

rest what where huh

[normal hedge]

like Mine is rilayaghanim#1234 for example, you just put the numbers

[crimson hearth]

oh

[remote sparrow]

This first box needs ur psn acc name lol

[stoic horizon]

yeah basically

its a spellblade build so ig

although i wanted to look for early game setup, later i want to commit lance and do ivory tower str stack on top

tree really prints good es bases so getting good enough es wont be a huge issue

[eternal hill]

That sounds like my plan, full glass cannon surfer with eblade

[stoic horizon]

im doing scavenger tho

battlemage and shavs too good to pass up

[crimson hearth]

thanks alot ggg 🙂

[stoic horizon]

3rd point kinda dead tho unless i go spectres with the catarina node which is sus on non minion build

[crimson hearth]

im doing it manually isw

[fallow fern]

wouldnt waiting for the patch notes be better

[eternal hill]

What account is shown on top left

just double checking that you are accesing right account

[crimson hearth]

right account yes

[stoic horizon]

barely anyone used the nodes on scav that im taking so doubt they will get nerfed

hell they cant even be nerfed other way than being removed

[pliant hamlet]

put downsides on them

[remote sparrow]

Have you zoned in and out at least once since making that change needs to load

[stoic horizon]

true

[eternal hill]

Can you post a screemshot mhmd, I can double check if I can import

[fallow fern]

i will just wait for patch notes and hope for behemoth to get some buffs

if not surfing i go

[pliant hamlet]

Idk what to think about behemoth. Peopel who I've talked to who played it all said it was good

[eternal hill]

Behe just cant use auras

[split maple]

would you trust folks who play behemoth

[eternal hill]

or debuffs

or blood rage

[fallow fern]

masochists

i wouldnt

[potent bramble]

Depends on what skill they played it with

[pliant hamlet]

Apparently facebreakers and frostblades was good on it

frostblades of kata got gutted though

[remote sparrow]

Im thinking of using the new dagger festering resentment with Cast on crit on blind prophet but Idk what triggered skill to use yet

But all triggered spells poisoning has to be good thou

[pliant hamlet]

and I can't imagine armor stacking w/o determination

[fallow fern]

yea

[pliant hamlet]

I feel like it's just a place for rbov builds to live early game

[pulsar dune]

if you can build defenses to be in melee, could do soulrend of the spiral or rolling magma

[pliant hamlet]

rvob*

[fallow fern]

i had to get like lv 94 ish to get 90% phys dr without determination

but it could just be skill issue

[craggy ibex]

If there is no Atlas in Phrecia what will be the point of getting void stones? (didn't play the last Phrecia league)

[pulsar dune]

there isn't an atlas tree, the atlas still exists

[split maple]

voidstones have no relation to atlas points already?

[pulsar dune]

technically you could summon a spectre for grace/determ, then spec behemoth, right?

[split maple]

like you prolly want t16 maps right? and t17?

[frigid wedge]

no atlas POINTS

[pliant hamlet]

T17 drops and map drops are linked to void stones

[fallow fern]

pretty sure it will die

but not sure

[pulsar dune]

hm, does disabling a spell skill cause the minions it created to die

I guess it should, yea

[pliant hamlet]

could pick up a gruthkul and test it

[craggy ibex]

so mainly for T17 drops..

[pliant hamlet]

it's hard to sustain t16s w/o void stones

I think it's impossible to get t17s without them

[split maple]

yeah baseline for t17 is 0%

you need at least one voidstone

[pliant hamlet]

.4% with 1 void stone, 6.4% with 4 voidstones

so 4/1000 t16 maps become t17s. Plus you get less t16 maps.

It's pretty attrocious lol

[split pagoda]

i know behemoth can be solid with the right builds but its just so painful even thinking of building one lol

[pliant hamlet]

tbh seems easier

[frigid wedge]

yes

[pliant hamlet]

You literally don't have half the choices you have to make for normal builds lol

[split pagoda]

cant use auras, oh no frostblink, wanna autoexert no those are spells too

[pliant hamlet]

Seeing poggies followed by that message is wild lol

So excited that we can't lock out bad memories

[steel light]

ur 1st t17 drop rate is 6.8%, after that it's good luck without voidstone

[split pagoda]

I guess u can click aul pretty easily since u wont have particularly many gems

[pliant hamlet]

Interestingly, that means you have a lot of open gem sockets....

[potent bramble]

There was a spectres build with Frostbearers, which was pretty solid... I'm struggling to remember what ascendency though and if it was hugely impactful. If not, Puppeteer Spectres, maybe a thing?

I grabbed the FRoSS build I used for Keepers and loaded it on 3.26 tree, lost more than half my DPS. Was able to get like 1M back by pivoting to a Ranger of all things

[pliant hamlet]

Aul might get some use on behemoth

very easily honestly

[pulsar dune]

huh, the lifestack ignite grey wind dual strike is looking better

you go untouched soul

tho IG I don't have points for aul, which is a bit sad

[frigid wedge]

bog shaman?

[pulsar dune]

nah, behemoth

[night bone]

I'm still thinking sparksurfer is the only real choice

[pliant hamlet]

rvob behemoth w/ no links in boots/chest = jugg action speed + ailment immunity for "free"

[frigid wedge]

i think bog is gonna see some nerfs tbh

[remote sparrow]

Mmm whats a good way to make a blind prophet tanky so you can go meele cyclone CoC... likely something with doppelganger guise and Eva but idk how you get enough phys max hit to survive anything

[frigid wedge]

how u sustaining

[pliant hamlet]

sustaining..what?

[pulsar dune]

you do have 15% to get max rage on rage, which should be plenty tbh

[frigid wedge]

you go for es

[frigid wedge]

rage

[pulsar dune]

IG I could actually drop 10 fort+AS, tho that doesn't feel great.

but aul is really good

[pliant hamlet]

+80 rage

[night bone]

I was thinking brass dome with supreme ostentation

[potent bramble]

I'm really hopeful for some solid nerfs there. Or some REALLY solid buffs everywhere else. No point in experimenting when there's an objective BIS

[frigid wedge]

ok but thats rlly inconvenient bc between packs ur kinda screwed

[pulsar dune]

yea, surfer is hard to beat

[pliant hamlet]

I mean, just recast it? We're not snapshotting