1┃general

[proper snow]

anyone here a spectre expert? i'm having trouble with my thunderbird dying very fast in really harder maps with lots of mobs. The taunt from meat shield support makes all the monsters target it, and it dies rapidly, rendering my 6 gems and 2 ascendency points useless. Leaving me without a bunch of damage, and vulnerable to crits again.

[stuck phoenix]

best bet would be to open the website and check if their characters is public and if so grab a name there

[sleek barn]

if not public you can ask message them on the website

[stuck phoenix]

true

[sleek barn]

going a bit far there though

for what i assume is just a whisper for a trade or something

[thin warren]

hm ye, its more about my name. a friend complained that it is difficult to whisper me, bc my character names dont include my online tag.
Is it possible to whisper someone via a character name of a character they have but are not playing atm?

[sleek barn]

i think so yes

wait

no

wait

i've definitely done that before but idk if its changed

im having an aneurysm

[stuck phoenix]

I literally

said

this

so if you have a name you're usually known by

just make a character with that name

and they can whisper you by it

on any character

but also like

they can just type your new name

[sleek barn]

can't they just see you online?

and then right click and whisper

[stuck phoenix]

but also like

just add your friends as friends

right click to whisper yes

[umbral crag]

Link pob. Usually you should have convocation set up and automated to help the spectre survive.

[plush gulch]

Im thinking if you get to 60% ele dmg as chaos or more and the. Use tainted pact and you find a way to shift the rest to phy you can use the helmet putting your résistance to zéro and get an insane régen from righetous fire

[golden phoenix]

People remember other people's online tags?

[lean urchin]

"the minion guy" is how i remember them

"the dude with bad wifi signal"

jk all my friends are offline

[proper snow]

im manually casting convocation and micromanaging where spectre stands and making sure to bring it to the edge, but still just charges away from me (dropping proximity buffs) and then taunts and within a second its dead. i only just noticed now. ive been trying to figure out wha twas happening for days.

[proper snow]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/pob/85c64 the person with the frequently dead spectre

[stuck phoenix]

who am I

[lean urchin]

"last seen 30 days ago"

[stuck phoenix]

this isn't true

it's literally

not true

[lean urchin]

dont add me though, or all my skill-issues gets exposed

[stuck phoenix]

smh

smh

[spare ore]

https://tenor.com/view/nature-vegeta-rain-serious-dragon-ball-z-gif-13693133

[elfin shale]

Is there a mace or sceptre with high attack speed that isnt 0 flat like Brightbeak

[stuck phoenix]

you know the wiki lets you sort by attack speed

[plush gulch]

Im trying to cook some way to use rf as m'y primary regen layer with tainted pact

[elfin shale]

Oh yeah

[stuck phoenix]

divine flesh is all you get I'm pretty sure

actually

yeah no

I don't think there's anything else

[plush gulch]

No fire resistance and 10% ele as chaos from bound by destiny

[stuck phoenix]

what

oh

[elfin shale]

😔 looks like its either Brightbeak or Rare

[stuck phoenix]

right bound by destiny

I did forget that one

but like

[plush gulch]

Maybe no fire res is dumb

[stuck phoenix]

just get fire res?

[plush gulch]

Dont I burn for more

[stuck phoenix]

you're not getting to take 0% fire

unless you take it as phys or other element

[stuck phoenix]

what

[plush gulch]

Nvm I confused myself

[stuck phoenix]

you need low chaos res

[plush gulch]

I was going to scale life

For forbidden rite

[stuck phoenix]

that is literally a must yes

[plush gulch]

So big sustain

There is an helmet foulborn

Ele res to zéro and 50% incr max life

[elfin shale]

So since Trauma cant support Shockwave, even if they both support the same skill shockwave wont benefit from the flat damage, right?

[plush gulch]

Why dont u try disabling trauma supp on pob

[stuck phoenix]

sure, you can run the flawed refuge if you want to

but you'll get less net recovery

[plush gulch]

Oh

[stuck phoenix]

because you're not mitigating the fire damage as much

is it worth? maybe

I dunno

[plush gulch]

Does it even do something useful for me to not get fire res in this case

[stuck phoenix]

of course not

[plush gulch]

What if I get more fire taken as chaos Somewhere

Ill google

[stuck phoenix]

there is none

[plush gulch]

Oh

That was quick googling

[forest sluice]

Hi, does anyone have Shock Nova of Totality available?

[stuck phoenix]

I didn't google

[plush gulch]

I know

XD

[stuck phoenix]

no trading

[plush gulch]

Incandescent heart is only for hit

Which is okay since dot wont ever kill me on a build like this

[stuck phoenix]

true

[plush gulch]

But may not be the play I think I need body armour for phys mitigation

[stuck phoenix]

but then how will you fill the rest

or do you intend to just cope

I don't think it's worth

keep in mind that taken as is not capped

[plush gulch]

I was thinking if you stack life and régen it to a insane degree you dont even need that much mitigation right

At 10 000k ehp per exemple

I feel like my idea is dumb there is nothing I can do for rf to régen me more

I might as well stack life and focus on something else

Like forbidden rite self hit leech on flash and self poison

I just hoped to bypass all of that with just emmental dot

I didn't look for other source of self elemental dmg dot yet

Though

Would be funny to be able to run several rf

[lucid gale]

I misremember them, does that count?

I also remember my ICQ number, haven't used that in decades.

[night bone]

y'all got any o' them Phrecia balance changes scratches neck

[stuck phoenix]

clearly ggg have them but don't give them to you just to spite you

[plush gulch]

Also they kick your ball every two minute for fun

😂

[plush gulch]

I just learned that ailment are calculcated before dmg mitigation so if I use forbidden rite for dmg 5, poison would be insanely big

Bog shaman look solid for tainted pact

Also it means yeah I might as well use fire res

Actually getting 90 fire res and 60% dmg shift to chaos should be a very very good régen layer

[stuck phoenix]

90% fire res wouldn't even be close to worth it

75%, sure

[plush gulch]

I see

[stuck phoenix]

It'd be a lot of investment

That could've just been put into regen

Directly

Also you do realise that unless you mitigate chaos hit damage somehow specifically

It'll feel like shit

And that means The Fourth Vow

[plush gulch]

Do I need mitigation with life stacking tainted pact ?

Unless something one shot me

[night bone]

Not to mention an ammy slot

[stuck phoenix]

Bro

You do realise

That 60% of incoming elemental hit damage

Will be taken as chaos

[plush gulch]

Yes

[stuck phoenix]

Elemental damage that you'd normally be expected to mitigate at 75% as a bare minimum

[plush gulch]

Hmm

[stuck phoenix]

But for which you'd want to eat at least 6 times more of

[plush gulch]

I see

[stuck phoenix]

Two thirds times 6 is what

[plush gulch]

This why they use all fourth vow

[stuck phoenix]

Y e s

[stuck phoenix]

4

[plush gulch]

Then I mitigate the healing

[stuck phoenix]

You're taking roughly 4x incoming damage from ele and think you can shrug it off with hopes and dreams

[plush gulch]

And a big health pool

[stuck phoenix]

That's hopes and dreams

Not mitigation

[plush gulch]

I see

[stuck phoenix]

Can you get to like 50k hp

Then I can let you pretend it's ok

[plush gulch]

No way

Maybe 10k

A bit more

[stuck phoenix]

10k isn't life stacking

It's just

Slightly high life

[plush gulch]

Hmm

[stuck phoenix]

And it's basically baseline for an es build

In endgame

[plush gulch]

All I need is not to get one shotted somehow

[stuck phoenix]

Remember 4x damage

Is 2.5k hp fine

[plush gulch]

No

[stuck phoenix]

See

[plush gulch]

But then all I need is mitigation for hits

And not general one

Seems doable

I still need to cook a lot

[stuck phoenix]

Bro

What did I sayy

[stuck phoenix]

@plush gulch

[stuck phoenix]

@plush gulch

[plush gulch]

Armour works for dot

No?

It works for bleed

[stuck phoenix]

Brooo

No

No it fucking doesn't

Not even indirectly

[plush gulch]

It doesnt

Wtf

Did I believe a lie all this time

[stuck phoenix]

You tell me

Sigh

You tell me

[plush gulch]

I have no word

Warrior never struggle with bleed

Deadeye will die instantly

[stuck phoenix]

That's just you building the deadeye with 0 regen

[plush gulch]

I assumes it was armour

[stuck phoenix]

And your other build with regen

Or even bleed immunity

Or higher life

[plush gulch]

Even mages dont like bleed

M'y brain is reshaping to the reality armour dont work for bleed

It takes time

Are u gonna tell me the earth is round too

Okay im joking

Anyway fourth vow it is then

[tight plinth]

this how you pob zenith?

or this?

[plush gulch]

Thanks bro

[tight plinth]

yw

[stuck phoenix]

Did you build the mage with regen

[stuck phoenix]

You're welcome

[plush gulch]

Hard to get

So no

[plush gulch]

Sorry I took lot of space repost it maybe then I shut up xD

I need to sleep anyway

[umbral crag]

I mean. It looks fine? I have it linked to automation to keep my spectre topped up, primarily you just kill enemies faster than they can touch u or ur spectres

[proper snow]

hm i guess i dont do enough damage, idk. its frustrating to see the darn thing keep dashing away from me while i'm stationary, attacking, or like be engaging the enemy while its supposed to be defensive, and the taunt really kills it fast.

[umbral crag]

Id consider using convocation with automation and see how that feels. What content are you farming?

[near plume]

Where are my patch notes?

[haughty gale]

you'll get them an hour after launch 🙂

[haughty ermine]

pretty much

and it’ll take pob a month to update

[haughty gale]

nah dont do my bois at pob like that

for not being paid and learning stuff just as we do they are really fast

[haughty ermine]

i mean. it’s not their fault in the slightest

GGG just has really dysfunctional releases

[proper snow]

yeah i was using convocation with automation AND enhance +16% quality for even more heals, and the spectre still died almost immediately on t17 with no added damage mods. I've beendoing harbinger and beyond to level up

[midnight wyvern]

standard server, looking for someone to run me through ascendancy trials

[thick goblet]

not the server

[umbral crag]

Ah well harbinger is one of the few contents that is rougher, because harbinger dont die immediately while still casting spells, so you can't insta kill them

So they can kill ur spectres over time

[near plume]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shotgun-ai-cat-catslop-cat-shooting-a-shotgun-cat-violence-gif-7717263558551534333

[umbral crag]

Im struggling to see why you do so little damage with your level of investments tho

[elfin shale]

Is Boneshatter's flat phys affected by it's DE

[golden moat]

classic

[tight plinth]

youre onto boneshatter now?

[silent leaf]

im very sure its basically like the same as adding flat phys to your weapon

(nvm i just realized trauma support is diff from boneshatter)

[solar smelt]

Seeing as the new phrecia league is starting soon I said F it decided to try out the double foulborn regalia and with herald of the storm

To make sure Storm seeker doesn't murder me immediately what should I invest in?>

[umbral crag]

Oh okay your flask are weird ig haha but still thats very low dmg.

[umbral crag]

You have alot of very expensive stuff and then your flask and jewels be looking like that

[proper snow]

yeah i dont really have a good source of income, havent found a strategy that did much more than break even over time. I've been spending most of my money on crafts that havent panned out yet. This is my first league so i'm learning a lot every day. I have some jewels and bases that i've been working on for over a week now, but haven't hitT1s yet so shrug i'm doin what i can. i'll be spending more time crafting now since i just finished levelling

[umbral crag]

Idk if u wanna consider selling things like your grafts and buying something cheaper in the meantime

And using that to invest elsewhere

[proper snow]

what do you recommend?

[foggy jasper]

Does anyone have that google document that listed all the idol affixes from phrecia?

[proper snow]

and the tree gifted me grafts

[umbral crag]

Hella lucky lmao

Mine gives me crap

Lemme share mine

[proper snow]

haha i didnt know the half of it when they dropped. i was like oh cool int! thats good

[umbral crag]

Both the grafts i reckon is probably 100-200div total?

Maybe more maybe less, have to check trade

[proper snow]

it also dropped a 28% lich circlet i've been working on for my helmet upgrade, using fossils for that, havent hit t2 int (using memory strands) and the %int mod at the same time yet

[umbral crag]

Did you split the helm for profit first..?

[near plume]

[proper snow]

yep in three

[umbral crag]

Okay good ahaha

[proper snow]

yeah im not some super loaded int jugg, just doin what i can

[umbral crag]

Almost linked you the wrong mirrorstacking pob kek

[solar smelt]

Can I get an explanation for why lighting dmg has such a wide range compared to other dmg types?

[lean urchin]

thats electricity

[umbral crag]

Because ggg designed it that way

[proper snow]

lightning is busted

[umbral crag]

https://pobb.in/Mg6bzbk-FF-q

My actual pob

[solar smelt]

Because of the increased dmg effect it has?

[umbral crag]

I'd really consider selling the 2 grafts and then purchasing other upgrades first imo?

[proper snow]

oh i can put an enchant on my ring?

[lean urchin]

anoint, ye

[umbral crag]

The anoints are only blight related stuff

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-hello-chat-hello-chat-gif-8658723207124101782

[proper snow]

ooooh

[umbral crag]

Doesnt impact actual player power

[hard cliff]

I've got a build idea

[umbral crag]

Give it to me

[umbral crag]

I need 400mir for my theoretical pob to come to life please sponsor

[hard cliff]

Phrecia Wildspeaker Spectral Wolves + Farrul Spectral cats + a bow or claw attack that loves flat damage and crit

I call it

the big dog build

[umbral crag]

Housepet build

[hard cliff]

I couldn't spent 10 mirrors if you paid me

[umbral crag]

25b dps tho

[hard cliff]

No man needs that much dps

it would corrupt you instantly

[umbral crag]

https://pobb.in/BimDlj-ZGkkh

[elfin shale]

Does each hit of Infernal Blow reset the duration?

Or do you need to hit 6 times in 0.8 seconds

[hard cliff]

Why is it always juggernauts

with the 1000 bajillion dps

[umbral crag]

Kekw

[hard cliff]

Is the chest notable that good ?

[elfin shale]

Its pretty good yeah

Also Scavenger can use Abyssus with no downside

[hard cliff]

I think they're gonna shuffle Scavenger

Imagine if scavenger has a foulborn mod node

wew lad

Just gives her a perm foulborn unique line

Foulborn Queen of the forest

1% increased Projectile Speed per 600 Evasion Rating, up to 75%

Why isn't anyone projectile speed maxing ?

[golden moat]

small pp build

[umbral crag]

Sorry not standard players 🙁

[soft perch]

WHERE UPDATED ASCENDANCIES

[hard cliff]

Smoool

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Scourge

Two of these

[lucid gale]

Look behind you, a three-headed monkey!

[lean urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/3-headed-monkey-the-finals-3hm-monaco-easter-egg-gif-12601682674554225101

[drowsy eagle]

what is that reference

[lean urchin]

i do not know, tenor had it somehow

there is a talisman tho, 3 headed monkey

[elfin shale]

Tf am i supposed to use if armour is useless, energy shield is too stat req heavy, and im a bigot against evasion

(and also evasion is kinda too skill point heavy)

[drowsy eagle]

lifestack

[lean urchin]

after leveling to 100 with rf and 15% ms i want something speedy

[elfin shale]

Rf with 35% move speed?

[lean urchin]

15

boots were like 28, then heavy armour

[elfin shale]

yeah but with 35% it'd be way speedier

[lean urchin]

ah

[livid quarry]

endurance charges?

[lean urchin]

those only help endurance

[haughty ermine]

just go in blind

for the adventure ™

[hard cliff]

@haughty ermine
🔫 🐴

[lean urchin]

MEEEEEDIIIIC

[haughty ermine]

i already spent 20 hours pobing!!! i can't wait for all that to be wasted time!!

[haughty ermine]

deserved

[lucid gale]

Monkey Island, an excellent series of Lucasarts adventure games from the mid 90s.

[lean urchin]

know about it, never played it

[haughty ermine]

I only did the sea of thieves journey thing for it

was pretty fun

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10804346947536782797

[drowsy eagle]

I'm too young for that

[lean urchin]

crazy thought

[hard cliff]

I got you

🐱

[lean urchin]

u can play games older than yourself

[soft perch]

no

[hard cliff]

Sea of thieves not having meta progression made me unhappy

I need number go up

It's just cosmetic grinds

[soft perch]

going in blind is painful

[haughty ermine]

i bet they're released the day of and then pob doesn't update before the end of the event

[soft perch]

and i enjoy theorycrafting

[haughty ermine]

a tale as old as time

[fringe elbow]

Do aura skills owwork on minions??

[lean urchin]

about everyone ye

pride is the weird one iirc

[gritty garnet]

minions are allies and are therefore affected by most auras

[haughty ermine]

yeah. there's number go up but it's pretty meh

[drowsy eagle]

if only I can give minions heralds

[gritty garnet]

just don't get it confused with non-aura reservation skills which are just for your character

[haughty ermine]

it's a buggy mess now anyway and not worth playing. rip.

[fringe elbow]

Ty

[hard cliff]

Was crewing with some random guys when I was very new and accidently set off 5 tnt barrels off in the middle of the ship

nobody survived

[haughty ermine]

lool

game is good for that

also WHY did your ship have those there??? HUH

smh

[golden moat]

'accidently'

[hard cliff]

We were stealing from npcs I think

[hard cliff]

Got the buttons mixed up

||I did laugh really hard while feeling bad ||

[golden moat]

https://tenor.com/view/right-right-gif-17180766260031975279

[urban monolith]

Hello, it's kinda late in the league but i just completed act 10.
now which one should i get to farm divines?
Harvest, Rituals, Ultimium, Stronboxes or anything else you would recommend ?

[heady cliff]

"accidentally"

[haughty ermine]

focus on completing your atlas first

#1┃after-acts-help

[urban monolith]

yes so which one do i levelup for atlas

[thick goblet]

map and kirac nodes so you can gain your atlas passive points

[heady cliff]

they were very accidentally put into the middle of the ship too for maximum coverage?

[final owl]

phrecia ascendancy balance tweaks patch notes when >:I

[urban monolith]

atlast i will clear, but i want to choose 1 for farming

[thick goblet]

you have no passive points currently to spend on a farming strat

[urban monolith]

for later

[thick goblet]

so it doesnt make sense to suggest one

[final owl]

you can't do a good job of farming until you have completed your atlas and have enough points to properly set it up for farming whatever mechanic

[urban monolith]

i just need a mechanic suggestion that is viable right now

after completing atlas i will assign the points

[final owl]

what do you even mean by viable though. none of them spit out divines reliably without investment

[lean urchin]

you get points for each map you complete

you get 3 atlas passive trees, so use the first one for more maps

[urban monolith]

harvest is kinda stable so should i go harvest or other in atlas

[final owl]

tthe answer is you can focus on whatever you like while doing atlas, but you're likely best off ignoring all of them while filling out the atlas.

if you don't care about being efficient, then focus on whatever you enjoy while doing atlas

[thick goblet]

harvest is still profitable i think

[final owl]

i mean they will all be some amount of profitable no?

[hexed mountain]

I do shrines sulphite for sulphite buff and kirac on atlas 1 to have as little side content as possible

[final owl]

ritual could snag you some spicey stuff if you get lucky

[hexed mountain]

Get that maxed out atlas asap

[thick goblet]

i meant more so ease of liquidity at this point in league

[final owl]

i wouldn't focus on anything that made map blasting significantly slower m'self

[heady cliff]

nothing

you level up kirac mission chance and extra level map drop chance

when you complete the atlas you would get 2 more blank trees to fill as you wish

[final owl]

i mean you don't even need to do that with async. just buy your atlas

[heady cliff]

and, i guess, shrines for atlas completion is always good

[modest depot]

way more annoying to do that then just do it yourself

[final owl]

i don't find searching up maps all that hard, but sure whatever. point is its pretty easy now

[modest depot]

im down to buy later maps but if you do kirac start even later in league you can finish your atlas so much faster than swapping to trade to get maps

because u can just talk to the homie kirac to buy 10 maps you don't have

[final owl]

to be clearer, because apparently i need to be, you only buy ones you didn't come across easily

[fickle glen]

Does the Mirage Archer become a minion when you use Occupying Force perk which detaches them from you? I know the gem doesn’t say minion

[modest depot]

my fault i didn't know how else to interpret "just buy your atlas"

[steady elk]

How do influences work?

Do they reforge an item completely?

[lean urchin]

no

[steady elk]

Or keep the existing mods and add its own influence

[lean urchin]

which inluence are you talking about? because eldritch influences doesnt reroll

influence orbs adds influence + 1 influence mod

[steady elk]

One of those yes

Greater eldritch ichor

I was wondering whether I should use it on my sundering axe

[lean urchin]

those dont touch your other mods unless you use specific orbs

doesnt work on weapons, only helm, body, gloves and boots

eldritch only^

[steady elk]

Oh

I guess Ill farm or trade for better gear before I use em

[surreal musk]

https://pobb.in/aJqRRc48hfxZ acc stacker aristocrat quicky pob test , looks like it could be really good ,gear and gems in this pob are pretty ass

[dreamy charm]

😢 no patch notes yet yall think monday?

[lean urchin]

when is this event

[drowsy eagle]

last 30 minutes before launch

25 mins for pob to update and you have 5 mins pobbing

[dreamy charm]

jan 29th

[lean urchin]

tuesday maybe

[haughty ermine]

yet another dysfunctional release

[hard cliff]

@haughty ermine
!spin

[haughty ermine]

?

[drowsy eagle]

@haughty ermine !spin

[haughty ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-spinning-water-water-hose-horsey-gif-5575530196590168122

!spin

don't even work

[lean urchin]

minion glitching out

[heady cliff]

you are not chatting in global 1 for 30 minutes while being frozen at beach?

[drowsy eagle]

you got into the beach?

[tight plinth]

😭

[stable pumice]

Soooo ppl getting ready for phercia?

[final owl]

how we gon' do that without patch notes :I

[lean urchin]

u can build hype without them i guess

[stable pumice]

Easily use last time what they released

[final owl]

we know there are balance changes coming though

[stable pumice]

Tbh wish i could even make a build i only get my pc at 29th xD

[final owl]

like AC is probably not going into phrecia 2 electtric boogaloo with 600 endurance charges

[stable pumice]

Ngl i dont even remember what i played

I kinda wanna say blade flurry generals cry

[final owl]

i played AC cyclone. it was good.

[stable pumice]

I bet ngl i want smth easy this time

Just want fast lvl 90 lol

[final owl]

yeah i dunno how likely it is i'm gonna hang about for proper phrecia idol shenanigans

[stable pumice]

Annnd to test out my new pc on top as it will arrive same day as phercia starts lol

Well yeah stacking... Divination card boxes

Hotttt

[final owl]

will depend how whatever i go with feels i guess

[stable pumice]

True true i can agree on it

Anyways have good night i am off to sleep

[heady cliff]

async trade

idols would be 10x better, but.... your first set should be a gold farming one

[rancid peak]

Enrolling in a Dev course for Front End Dev to try and work at GGG 😄

[soft perch]

this just looks like live juggernaut but worse in every conceivable way

your damage is very mediocre for the gear level

[final owl]

i mean i know it will be better because of async, but i fully expect the economy to get wonky pretty quickly and how much i cbf with endgame is going to heavily rely on how good whatever build i end up with feels y'know.

[heady cliff]

fun fact about idols

[final owl]

if build kinda sucks or i get iced out of meaningful upgrades due to economy i probably just won't bother to go past 90

[heady cliff]

there is always a set of idols for 1/2 the farm at 1/20 the price

[rancid peak]

Just dont make build that sucks 👍

[heady cliff]

yeah, that would be super important with free risk scarabs

[short seal]

they deleted all the idols that went standard last time right?

[final owl]

weirdly this is always on my "to do" list every league but i don't always manage it

[rancid peak]

Mine are in a REmove only tab

[short seal]

thanks! gotta go find mine now and see what i was runnin xD

[soft perch]

meanwhile im all in on 0 proj speed spark surfcaster

[heady cliff]

spark mines?

[rancid peak]

Remember there ARE balances coming for Idols

[heady cliff]

i mean literal mines?

throwback to spectral helix mines?

[rancid peak]

Im doing Spark CoC OR PBoD Surf

[short seal]

yea, just wanna get a gist for what i was targeting. im assuming most of the mods will remain with just number tweaks

[rancid peak]

I can see Strongboxes being nerfed, and Rouge Exiles were already killed

[heady cliff]

boxes are buffed if anything

by mid-league scarab change

[rancid peak]

"I can see"

[short seal]

yea, my group play team had some insane rouge exile ones 🙁 got offered 400d for one of them

[bleak shore]

Phrecia with grafts, bloodlines, and foul born uniques. Oh my ggg cooked didn't they.

[silent leaf]

i PRAY

they buff AC

[bleak shore]

I only just heard about it but this sounds sick

[silent leaf]

so i can have an easier time in HCSSF

[short seal]

wonderin when they just gonna make the phrecia ascendancies core

[lean urchin]

no

[rancid peak]

🤣 🤣

[lean urchin]

they already said some of phrecia were scrapped ideas

[short seal]

i want my paladin in core 😢

[rancid peak]

All

[heady cliff]

and FREE RISK SCARABS at EVERY AREA

[rancid peak]

Who knows, could be core in poe2

[short seal]

aura bot isnt a thing in poe2 tho

[soft perch]

no

[heady cliff]

just checked, 100d/h phrecia scarab boxes is buffed by nemesis scarab change

[soft perch]

unpredictability + fury valve + copium

[heady cliff]

even more scarabs!

[rancid peak]

We dont know that with us still missing 4 classes, half the skills and ascendancies and supports and uniques

[short seal]

there arent any auras in the game really. not like poe1 atleast

like discipline / determ / wrath and so on

[rancid peak]

Again, we dont know if they WONT add auras

[soft perch]

i am full cope that unpredictability fury valve makes low proj speed spark very playable

just cuz a couple of fast boys are gonna shit sparks everywhere

[rancid peak]

Especially considering Templar, the main class for Auras, still isnt in the game

[short seal]

i suppose. i personally hope not they dont add them like they are in poe1 tho. i like how each of the games has a different identity right now

[final owl]

we don't care here because this is PoE1 general.

[drowsy eagle]

they have "allies" stuff

[silent leaf]

^

[rancid peak]

Have a sook ig 🤷

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/images/6/6b/Voidborn_foil_tabula_animated.gif

💃 🪩

[lean urchin]

sir mam, they are not in rainbow order

[hard cliff]

Take it up with Chris Wilson not me

[blissful zodiac]

next week is phercia 2.0 eh

ready for it

[drowsy eagle]

when threw them into the washing machine with all of family member's clothes

[hard cliff]

What's a lightning skill that benefits from CD recover ?

[hard cliff]

doing the laundry

[tight plinth]

that trap thingy

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Lightning_Spire_Trap_of_Overloading

[lean urchin]

Critical Strike Chance: 100.00%

damn yo, 10s cd

[hard cliff]

Yeah lmao

That's uhhhhh not good

even with 40% harbinger cooldown

[tight plinth]

ball lightning of static

[hard cliff]

Good suggestion

Would putting it in a mine make it keep the cooldown in charge form ?

[tight plinth]

no idea

last i played it, it was usable on totems

[hard cliff]

That's illegal now

[fickle glen]

Was the poe wiki made by the devs or players who discovered everything about the game?

[tight plinth]

group effort from players

[hard cliff]

I think it's hosted by GGG

cause fandom was so awful

that's what I hear

Imagine this game with a bad wiki 😨

[tight plinth]

i dont think its ggg affiliated

[fickle glen]

I was thinking it must have been fun discovering the game and posting what they find

[hard cliff]

@cosmic sapphire
Is the wiki sponsored by ggg ?

[cosmic sapphire]

no

[fickle glen]

So it is fan made

[cosmic sapphire]

nvm, I misread. Its funded by them yes

ggg dont supply any info though, they just pay costs

[tight plinth]

oh thats pretty cool

[hard cliff]

Yeah fandom was that bad

[tight plinth]

sugar daddy chris

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-praise-monkey-chimp-cursed-gif-16904949

[tight plinth]

is that tee why tee why killer?

[hard cliff]

what

[elder marlin]

If i wanna use bino's for ag, do i also need gravebind?

[gritty garnet]

yes unless you want barely any clear

[strong totem]

[gaunt swift]

there's a way to view your temple while inside an incursion, right?

[stuck phoenix]

That's some gaming

V

Or is that even default

I don't remember

It's the keybind for all league mechanics

[gaunt swift]

I thought so but it didn't work. I could have rebound it

[stuck phoenix]

Rogue gear

Just scroll through controls

[gaunt swift]

ya I am rn

it's unbound for some reason

[hard cliff]

grats

[stuck phoenix]

You unbound it

Unbinded?

Whatever

[gaunt swift]

I guess? not intentionally

[stuck phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[lucid gale]

@hard cliff Community effort all the way since the start. The current non-fandom one is hosted by the company but all the editing and that stuff is independent.

I had my paws in the data mining side of the wiki in the forking days, before my job.

[stuck phoenix]

and as a side note, fandom used to be the official wiki, and was the one the community maintained

[strong totem]

why have i never watched exile cat before? "Wow. Just what I need. Thanks game"

[stuck phoenix]

until it got too bad and we reached the current state

[potent bramble]

ngl I did initially read that as a clean way to drop the f-bomb, as in 'those forking days' before realizing what you actually meant

[lucid gale]

Exodus into exile.

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/food-chocolate-melt-fork-anime-gif-17093939

[lucid gale]

These days I mostly poke peeps when things written are criminally wrong ^_^

[hard cliff]

that's awesome

I poke people for no reason at all

@silent leaf

[night bone]

Generally, if it's criminally wrong, they will get poked by more than just you

[silent leaf]

Why me

[lucid gale]

Especially for an evolving title like 2, things can get quite stale or be from misunderstandings.

PoE1 tends to have a bit more self-contained reworks and leagues/mechanics.

[hard cliff]

I harass you

[onyx adder]

One issue that the wiki has is that certain wiki contributors respond very poorly to poking from anybody who isnt literally ggg

I have given up arguing with random wiki psychos i just let it be wrong now

Its not every contributor just enough to make ur life unpleasant

[night bone]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-dont-get-it-gif-7962556574843576309

[onyx adder]

Oh it was a joke

Please tag your jokes in future for avoidance of confusion

[night bone]

Wa'evah wa'evah! I do wah I wan!

[opaque sphinx]

we need old synth back

[night bone]

as long as it's not OG synth

[opaque sphinx]

what do u even farm if u wanna hit the 1/1,000,000 mega drop

[hard cliff]

prayers

[opaque sphinx]

no i mean like

there's not even anything that expensive as a drop

u can do uber shaper for sublime
heist for simplex
thats it?

i guess simu for voices

damnit this is why i usually avoid minmaxed giga builds idk wtf to do

[hard cliff]

simulacrum

and you drop one piece of gear every three waves

[opaque sphinx]

i already did it for like 30 voices

[rancid peak]

Make 2 accounts, leave one afk in Simus to farm up Voices, map with the other

[night bone]

Pretty sure the answer to "what do I do" in this game is always "kill things"

[opaque sphinx]

40 my bad

tryna bully global and its not working

[umbral crag]

Vibes

Looking at the 2-3mirr ring thats next on my upgrade and im ljke nah fk it im done with the league

HAHA

[opaque sphinx]

but what do i do for 6 days

[umbral crag]

Should have asked me earlier

I think i just finished all of mine on mappers

[opaque sphinx]

i never considered i may need another kind of map

its just dunes the whole way down

[umbral crag]

Kekw

I have a net worth of 4d rn HAHA

[opaque sphinx]

rich gang

we can almost afford 2 chances at making a graft if we combine our networth

[umbral crag]

Fr

I tried to corrupt my grafts, best i got was crit per power charge

[fickle glen]

If I combine this bow with high dex stack and spiritual aid perk through oils would that be op or weaker than other bow builds?

[umbral crag]

Sadge

[opaque sphinx]

rip, i bought mine corrupted alrdy lmao

[split maple]

I didn't even get a single unstable implant so far

[opaque sphinx]

tried on 2 dif ones to corrupt and poofed em both

[split maple]

Tho I am not using lavishes much

[opaque sphinx]

whats ur tree setup? i dropped like 3

[umbral crag]

I poofed i think 6 and 4 got corrupted, only 1 that actually makes sense

[split maple]

Yeah samey it's Just I am mostly burning ancients and provisionings

[opaque sphinx]

ah

[split maple]

Trying to get overqual twilights rn

[umbral crag]

I still cant let go of the 36d gear i sold for 5c accodentally

[opaque sphinx]

valid, i think provis are the last ones i spend blood on

[umbral crag]

Sadge

[night bone]

how do you possibly get the mental fortitude to run hive and defend breach encounters enough for enough graftblood

[opaque sphinx]

thats a sad

[night bone]

I can't stand those walls

[split maple]

I only run unstables and forts

And yeah it's ass

[opaque sphinx]

honestly when ur not forced to run it anymore its not actually the worst

[split maple]

Farm 100 coves or so, enter map check for nameless ritual, kill pack for eater progress, check breach, leave map

[opaque sphinx]

i have learned u can speed up the waves if u just kill everything

[split maple]

Repeat after one hour

[night bone]

just having the walls alone in half of all maps is so annoying

[split maple]

The main painpoint is that it's like 2-3 synaptics per 100 maps at best 💀

[livid quarry]

did u hear of the guy who sold 148d mb for 148c

[opaque sphinx]

if it makes u feel better i sold the good chalupa jewel for 1d

[livid quarry]

dunno how u sell 36d for 5c

[opaque sphinx]

the fire one

[livid quarry]

i dunno the prices

[night bone]

Can't fix stupid

[opaque sphinx]

didn't update awakened yet when i sold it but i had this

sold it as this

cuz the awakenedt i had could only tell it was foulborn and wasn't updated to actually check the mods

and i was lazy

[split maple]

How the fuck is that 45div

[opaque sphinx]

cws

[split maple]

Got one 😄

I am using chaos res per endurance one on my cwser

Ig glad/svalinn setups?

[opaque sphinx]

gg ez

yeh

[stray sedge]

dang nice

thats a lot of unique jewels

[split maple]

I Got like two stashtabs or so of them

Still no ES lom, still no 3p voices -.-

[proud gorge]

hmm, I gotta say, while this Foulborn Kitava's Thirst sabo build is interesting and decently fun, I'm also not quite sure what it's meant for

[night bone]

that does sound interesting

[proud gorge]

it can boss, but the nature of its structure means that it has the highest damage output when surrounded by a ton of densely packed enemies, and thus its "cast rate" suffers against bosses

but it's also a Traitor build, but has to spend all three of its flask slots on res flasks

so it doesn't actually have that good of movement speed

[barren river]

traitor is cringe

[proud gorge]

so it's sort of a clear build but kind of slow movespeed wise?

it needs Traitor since it's a low life ES build

so it needs Coruscating uptime

[barren river]

traitor=captainlance

[split maple]

Traitor is based and good

Makes hh usable for me

[barren river]

does it use ivory tower?

[proud gorge]

nah

[barren river]

and rathpith globe?

[proud gorge]

here I'll post the build

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers?items=Foulborn+Kitava's+Thirst%2CJiquani's+Potential%2CWatcher's+Eye%2CCoruscating+Elixir%2CPresence+of+Chayula&skills=Soulrend+of+the+Spiral&class=Saboteur

I guess that works

honestly most of those item restrictions are unnecessary, Foulborn Kitava's Thirst + Sabo is most of it

[barren river]

so not a captainlance build

[proud gorge]

basically it's an ES build that maintains enough unreserved life to cast the 200 lifecost Soulrend of the Spiral needed to trigger Kitava's Thirst

[split maple]

Yes People who aren't captainlance can use traitor too

[proud gorge]

it gets its damage from Jiquani's Potential, and uses CoC to trigger Soulrend of the Spiral very quickly

and then uses a life-on-hit Watcher's Eye to get enough life back to repeatedly trigger Soulrend of the Spiral

the nature of Jiquani's kind of inherently forces a low-life ES build, since the alternative is a weird-ass Int stack Life build

[stoic horizon]

no way

next thing you will say is that i dont need to be cpt lance to use ivory tower

[proud gorge]

but yeah, can't use Ivory Tower with Jiquani's

I mean, you can, but you'd be using Coruscating anyways

[split maple]

No, that is reserved for Lance sadly

[opaque sphinx]

u guys ever notice that items that drop with memory strands also seem to have better rolls, as if they used some of the strands when they dropped?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, this build funnily enough actually uses Presence of Chayla for its life to base ES instead

[stoic horizon]

thats how they are supposed to work afaik

[opaque sphinx]

oh

cool so im just late to the party and kinda dumb

[proud gorge]

the process of levelling into Jiquani's is somewhat interesting though, since that's an item with a very well-defined role and few real replacements

[opaque sphinx]

WI

[proud gorge]

I mean, sort of yeah. In my case I've just got Nycta's Lantern for the high flat spell damage

plus blood magic Skin of the Lords

[steel light]

u'll notice when u beast lock with strand, some will drop

[opaque sphinx]

wut

yeah i know regaling it will use some strands

i mean just when they drop unID'd with strands its like they use the "better roll" system from poe2

and have higher odds of t1 mods before u even do anything to them

[proud gorge]

honestly though, the biggest issue with this build (other than me needing to remember to activate my flasks at the start of every zone) is just the fact that a Life on hit + ES on hit watcher's eye is super expensive

unsurprisingly, I suppose

I mean, 25-30 div isn't unpricibly high, but it's a bit high for my usual "build a funny build and then reroll" antics

there's also just the fact that I'm still not sure what content the build is designed to do

a quick google search shows that this build seemed to originate from a reddit post on r/pathofexilebuilds

for "Uber viable 10 div build"

but I have to assume either that version doesn't use the ES+life on hit watcher's eye, or it got way more expensive in the past month or so

[split maple]

That was ES on hit price as only good mod last league

Due to fross and tricky

[proud gorge]

fair

ES on hit is a lot cheaper now though

it's the life on hit side that seems to be making it expensive

but yeah, looks like the 10 div version runs a life on hit shaper ring, which makes sense

that's what I'm using

[opaque sphinx]

def thought the mana on block would be big

for the cws but i guess they are blood magic arent they

[proud gorge]

yeah

[opaque sphinx]

bro can we at least have uber cortex drop triple synths again

[proud gorge]

well, based on this video, it seems like this is a (slow) all-rounder, but the guy in the video seems to be doing a lot of Simulacrums

[opaque sphinx]

besides the uniques

[proud gorge]

which makes sense

Simulacrum is certainly the right content for a build that does best in a high density enemy environment but lacks super high movespeed

[opaque sphinx]

blight

[proud gorge]

eh, Blight is a bit weird since it's a CoC build

so it kind of needs to be on top of enemies to kill them

[opaque sphinx]

bis watcher

[proud gorge]

anyways, seems like this build does, in fact, have enough life-on-hit to sustain against ubers, even with a mere 17 life gain on spell hit

I just need to get my consistency up to be reliably triggering CoC

[opaque sphinx]

look i made it better

[split maple]

only needs 4 more of these

[proud gorge]

hey that's not bad for a spell-based ignite build

[umbral crag]

Kira u saw the updated 25b pob?

[opaque sphinx]

yeah lmfao

[umbral crag]

What are you farming for now on your build anyways or you've given up too

[opaque sphinx]

my list is still rather large

[umbral crag]

Dedge

[opaque sphinx]

grafts
emperor wit+mastery
simplex
Pof sublime
-after pof-
better boots/belt
templed gloves
good 3rd ring

actually think i can only use 1 emperor jewel till pof

[umbral crag]

Bless

[opaque sphinx]

cuz i cant fit abyss socket on boots cuz i need the res

actually

if belt has t1 res

thats 120/81 means 39 over

we can drop the fire res from boots

but being overcapped is still prob better

cuz curses n shiz

i am genuinely upset that these are the worst items i own and i cannot upgrade them till i spend 1k d on a different item

[split maple]

ffs so thats the reason

[opaque sphinx]

yeah but can it not

[split maple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1qkatlu/comment/o167ntf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

more context

prolly not since dude is annoyed at pobbin bug reports

[fickle glen]

I got a cool gear set from a hunt I did which also gave me a bloodline. Are there more bloodlines like the one I got and do they have gears related to them?

[split maple]

bestiary uniques arent related to bloodlines

they are in game for like 8 years longer than bloodlines now 😄

but yeah there is a bunch of bloodlines: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bloodline_Ascendancy_class

and content they are tied too has a bunch of uniques too

[fickle glen]

I guess the way it looks and the all the cat stats made me think they are related

[split maple]

well yea farul uniques and farul bloodline certainly have farul theme in common

and for both you need farul

but like dont feel that if you use farul fur you also need farul bloodline and also the opposite - i am using farul bloodline on my hiero and i am not using a single farul unique

[umbral crag]

Can uber exarch just roll a chance to drop zero loot...?

Or just a bug?

[split maple]

it has to drop at least a unique

[fickle glen]

Got it, it’s just theme.

[split maple]

otherwise its bug ye

[umbral crag]

Fkkk hahaha

Fking buggy ass game

[proud gorge]

you know, I've never actually fought Farrul, or any of the bestiary bosses, in all my time in PoE

I guess I'll have to for this build

[split maple]

they are kinda fun the first time

but it feels like kinda dated boss design imo

[modest depot]

shadow can't buy arma brand

guess its rolling magma until maps

[proud gorge]

I mean, you could just buy the gem

in Act 3 from Siosa

or with any other character, or from trade if you're on trade

[livid quarry]

i will sell gems for 1c

[normal hedge]

beg for one in global

[modest depot]

im doing group runs and in phrecia i won't have someone on a class that can buy

and in group runs you can't do siosa

[earnest raven]

Can I haz enlighten?

[livid quarry]

yea

[proud gorge]

then buy it from Act 6 Lily then?

I'm not sure why Siosa would be restricted

oh, do you mean you're speed powering through campaign in Phrecia as a group, and as a result can't spare the time to complete a sidequest for gem access?

[modest depot]

yeah

[proud gorge]

wack

but also yeah, I guess that's the cost of trying to speedrun campaign

you gotta deal with the gems you're dealt

[whole bluff]

I assume Siosa is just so absurdly slow by group run speeds that you can't even set aside one player to "become everyone's gem vendor"?

Or is it just bad timing quest wise

[split maple]

that was surprisingly easy

[drowsy eagle]

maxrollify

[modest depot]

yeah its just grief unless you want that person to have 0 xp end of run

too big of a xp loss

[whole bluff]

Ah, rip

[modest depot]

was my practice run today

[steel light]

when i'm offline can you help me level a deadeye?

[whole bluff]

Damn

Idr what my record was with twink gear instead of group

I need better twink items. And better skills (as a gamer, not a poe player)

[split pagoda]

I improved alot this league, or rather started taking going fast in campaign more seriously ig

[whole bluff]

Maybe after 600h of working with blueprints, the map layouts will come easier

[split pagoda]

is from fresh start and on HC, all lab/skill points

[thick goblet]

gamer

[steel light]

doesn't those foulborn walls affect the map?

[spare ore]

damnn nice

[whole bluff]

I randomly learned to read a poe2 zone to do Holden outside of Holden after Holden nerf. That would probably not have came naturally 1 year ago

[modest depot]

i got carried it was a vibe. most of group leveling is just learning how/when to farm xp

[whole bluff]

Sounds chill

[rancid peak]

Why is there a queue for league migration 😭

[livid quarry]

from which league to which?

[proud gorge]

I don't think arms are supposed to bend that way

I never saw Gruthkul's arm before

but man it is spindly

I think something broke here because I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be that long

[whole bluff]

I mean it's just a big cat. Have you seen a cat clean its bum?

Hind leg points where head should be and it looks like a crumpled ball of a small furry animal

[tidal spear]

when are they gonna release more data/news about phrecia stuff? i know itsd still in about a week but yea

[whole bluff]

I was hoping when I logged into discord this morning. Rip that

[tidal spear]

aint that the truth lol, just see lots of ppl on reddit talkign about builds etc but ggg also talked about changes to stuff so idk if were talking light number changes or actual big changers

[split maple]

We talking all my plans bricked by patchnotes 2 days before launch right

[frigid wedge]

man spent less time for entire game than i spend walking

like brother how

[lucid gale]

[tall belfry]

So idk if anyone noticed or not but uh

VVF never got nerfed

[proud gorge]

the solo speedrun record for PoE campaign is like 55 minutes

though that's not fresh

[tall belfry]

Just gonna leave that one there and see if maybe behemoth sees more play

[proud gorge]

I think the solo fresh start speedrun record is still somewhere around 2 hours

but yeah, with group play you can speed some things up a bit

[thick goblet]

what's vvf

[barren river]

My campaign runtime is 6-8 h fresh start :(

[tall belfry]

Vaal volcanic fissure

[proud gorge]

Vaal Volcanic Fissure maybe?

[barren river]

Vaal Volcanic Fissure?

[proud gorge]

I dunno if VVF really needs to get nerfed though

and I think if one thing is going to really break Behemoth wide open it's probably not going to be VVF

[pulsar dune]

Is VVF even as good as old snaking?

[tall belfry]

It's better

By like a lot

It snakes, has double de, and has projectiles like base vf

[frigid wedge]

minez 10

debating what skill to use for a marauder rn

[tall belfry]

Which means return proj does the damage twice like base vf

[frigid wedge]

probably storm rain

[pulsar dune]

Oh nice

[tall belfry]

Well right, the thing that breaks it open is lightpoacher abuse

[proud gorge]

I mean, sure, but it's also a vaal skill

[pulsar dune]

IG it'll still get screwed by the AI nerf, but it's a fun paradigm for sure

[tall belfry]

On an asc with built in hateforge

[frigid wedge]

bloodline/architect

[proud gorge]

they're saying on Behemoth though

[frigid wedge]

bloodline

could get perma uptume veq

among other stuff

wont be spammable but its reliable

issue is u need a bunch of corrupted gear

[tall belfry]

Yeah I theorycrafted a veq pseudo autobomber

[frigid wedge]

debating if i should use ballistas on a str stacker if im not going replica iron commander

[pulsar dune]

Behemoth armor stacking looks pretty real tbh

[proud gorge]

what I personally want to see is VFS

[pulsar dune]

No aura support, but a lot of armor payoffs

[proud gorge]

Vaal Flicker Strike

[pulsar dune]

Isn't VFS awful?

Since you don't get leech

[frigid wedge]

vfs is awful but its because it takes away the point of flicker

[proud gorge]

it's very funny but not very good yeah

[frigid wedge]

bc ur dmg gets delayed

so its sloe

[proud gorge]

okay but it's very stylish, have you considered that lmao

[pulsar dune]

It's nice thematically

[frigid wedge]

ye it seems cool is just heavily impractical

[pulsar dune]

It's like the classic scene where the guy does some martial arts and everyone falls over at once

[proud gorge]

but yeah, in practice Vaal Flicker Strike is designed for a world where it hitting a ton of times on a single cast is notable, and not the world we live in, where Flicker Strike builds can just do that anyways

[tall belfry]

Vfs can do some abhorrent shit with bleed

And ignite

[frigid wedge]

anime protag w sword when theres 5 dudes

[proud gorge]

VFS is very good with Woespike yeah

[pulsar dune]

Oh woespike is pretty real

[frigid wedge]

everything is good with woespike

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I've said it before, but if you look at where Flicker Strike is positioned in the Act 1 gems (alongside mobility skills like leap slam and shield charge), it becomes more obvious what the intended design of Flicker Strike was supposed to be

[pulsar dune]

I mean, it's probably the highest DE thing for woespike, and I guess it'll also proc woespike

[proud gorge]

that being a mobility enhancer for a build

[frigid wedge]

makes eq of amp actually high dps

[pulsar dune]

It's a 2.8k DE ignite/bleed as well, don't remember it being that high

[proud gorge]

the intended design for Flicker Strike seems to have been to carry it on a regular melee build to use as a weird blink

a slightly restricted way to get over ledges and close gaps on bosses

[pulsar dune]

9.4k DE impale

[frigid wedge]

i have a feeling impales are gonna start only working for the skill that applied them as of 3.28

to deal w woespike

im terms of like

[proud gorge]

I mean, that's the intended design of Woespike

[pulsar dune]

I don't think GGG is that boring

[frigid wedge]

the impale just won't hit

[proud gorge]

it's strong, but that's what Woespike is designed to do

[pulsar dune]

And yeah, I think woespike is that powerful on purpose

[frigid wedge]

i mean maybe

[proud gorge]

it's not like this is an abuse of mechanics to achieve something never intended, like the old weapon swap Battlemage's Cry

this is just how Woespike is designed to be used

[frigid wedge]

but the fact that on less than 1d of gear u have the capacity to kill ubers in under 1 min is kinda stupid

w basically one item

[proud gorge]

there's cheaper uber killers

[pulsar dune]

I guess it's one of the cheaper setups for that

[proud gorge]

but yeah, nothing wrong with there existing a cheap uber killer, especially when it's kind of bad at most other things

and requires a decent amount of setup during the boss fight

[frigid wedge]

the issue is more u can weapon swap to like, kaoms primacy, use eq, swap back and just tick the shit outta it

[proud gorge]

yeah, the one thing that I think might actually get changed is weapon swap impale

they're not usually a fan of people using weapon swap snapshotting

or didn't used to be anyways

maybe PoE2 has brought them around on it

since PoE2 has weapon swap as a core mechanic

[frigid wedge]

and u can force woespike into any build that already uses impale

just for big bosses

[pulsar dune]

It may be a bit too much of an auto include for melee impale setups, true

[frigid wedge]

its literally just, grab ok phys 2h, 6l slam, get a 1l cyclone

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's a very strong build-around, but is also kind of extremely powerful without building around it

okay but that's a build-around

that's not forcing it into another build

that's building around it

[frigid wedge]

ye but u can just swap a gem and add a singular extra skill w a weapon swap

and now ur zdps build does Ubers

[pulsar dune]

If they end up nerfing slams I'd expect things will end up fine

[frigid wedge]

it doesnt even need to be a good 2h

[proud gorge]

okay but like, if you're using Woespike slam into cyclone as your main damage source, that's your build

[frigid wedge]

cyclone needs 1 socket and u just gem swap ur main link

[proud gorge]

like, yeah, it's pretty cheap to stick into other builds, but it's still very much your build at that point

plus you do give up both ring slots

sure, but we don't typically measure builds by how many gem sockets they use, we call them by what deals their damage and what skill they use

and if it's using Woespike into cyclone for its damage, it's a woespike cyclone build

[frigid wedge]

the main issue i have w woespike is that it takes any phys attack skill balanced around low attack speed and high single hit and removes the entire attack speed problem

[proud gorge]

I mean, I do think we need stuff that's designed around very low or very high attack speed skills that would otherwise be bad

[frigid wedge]

yeah but when a skill like eq of amp goes from 5 min kill on exarch to phasing him the second the first eq hits u instaphase isnt ok

[proud gorge]

some of the otherwise inaccessible skills like Vaal Flicker, for example

[frigid wedge]

i don't dislike woespike, its cool, it shouldnt be able to get the chance to 100

[proud gorge]

I mean, it's a setup and payoff, the only difference between this and, say, Archmage, or Jiquani's, or Battlemage, is that you use a skill to generate the damage instead of a support gem

[frigid wedge]

90% sure, but 100% isnt ok

[proud gorge]

why?

[pulsar dune]

Would 90% even matter?

[frigid wedge]

it means at least theres some inconsistency instead of 2b dps as soon as u can get off an impale

[proud gorge]

like, it sounds to me like the issue is less that Woespike is good, and more that it feels like the only way to make super slow slams good, and it involves not actually attacking with the actual slam most of the time

[pulsar dune]

It's possible they'll add less damage with impale to the less damage with ailment skills

[proud gorge]

to which I think the solution would be to give slow slams better payoffs other than Woespike, EQ isn't even the best way to use Woespike

[pulsar dune]

Tho that'd make impale terrible

[frigid wedge]

it just feels kinda overtuned as it is

[proud gorge]

there's a few skills that are really good with Woespike because they're entirely designed around having very high damage but not being able to actually generate that damage most of the time

Fist of War, Vaal Flicker, that sort of thing

big slams like EQ are a significant tier down from that

[pulsar dune]

IG it does beat most of the cheap Uber killers in that it's pretty easy to swap into a real build

[frigid wedge]

i just think 1 item effectively removing the entire thing certain skills are balanced around is too far

[proud gorge]

so it's not like big slams are even the best setups for Woespike, it just sounds like they lack better outputs

[frigid wedge]

and the best way to use those skills being to... not

[proud gorge]

again, sounds like the issue is more that slams just don't have good non-woespike payoffs that involve actually using the skill

[frigid wedge]

maybe