1┃general

[proud gorge]

I guess that is a much slower game relatively compared to PoE

[past mantle]

Unleash support but for things that don't linger.

Focus but built into the wand.

[elder marlin]

do campaign

[past mantle]

[barren river]

i don't wanna

[dusty mesa]

unironically would help out a lot of lower attack speed bow skills

[fathom plinth]

Yee

[dusty mesa]

oh wait nah if they include reload

jk I need to read full conversation first lol

[surreal idol]

😳

[split maple]

i think your sort is best catered for in #2┃general

[surreal idol]

oh sorry

thanks

[normal hedge]

prolly the most expensive supporter pack

[surreal idol]

yeah

are those items limited? like you wouldnt be able to get them afte release?

[split maple]

yea

[normal hedge]

they're for sale for a year

[surreal idol]

wait what

[normal hedge]

after that they never came back

[surreal idol]

so they're not forever???

[normal hedge]

i pressed enter by mistake twice

[split maple]

they are yours forever

they aint purchaseable forever

[surreal idol]

soo ur saying that they will only be purchasable for 1 year after release of the game

[split maple]

no

they leave store when new pack comes

[surreal idol]

they're only purchasable for 1 year

[split maple]

once per year

[normal hedge]

yes

[split maple]

and new pack has new stuff

[surreal idol]

so POE2 will keep releasing different supporter packs forever?

[normal hedge]

well the big pack is shared between both games

[split maple]

until they get tired of getting money

[surreal idol]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-are-you-serious-right-now-bro-speed-serious-bruh-gif-4394307271796038459

[normal hedge]

every year theres a new one, and the old one is gone forever if you didnt buy it

[surreal idol]

my my

um

so...

[normal hedge]

actually they should have a new one soon

[surreal idol]

so the one that came out 12 of december will be removed the next year 12 of december

🐟

aight thanks pal

let me see which pack is the most badass to get

[normal hedge]

not the exact same day because its been 1 year and a month since the current one released

[surreal idol]

😔

[normal hedge]

but the base is one per year

[surreal idol]

all i want is to just feel superior to noobs and poor people

thats all

[normal hedge]

id say you'll feel that after a few years because a lot of people have the current one

lol

[blissful zodiac]

btw what yall league starting for phercia

[surreal idol]

alright maybe i'll just get the most expensive one

i got extra cash ig

[normal hedge]

blind prophet <any proj attack>

either kb/ehot/ls idk yet

[undone gazelle]

fusillade x whisper/prophet/scav

[normal hedge]

how random direction interacts with fusillade?

[hard cliff]

crashes the game

[undone gazelle]

all around you in a nova, but the spread is random, nimis makes it fun tho

[hard cliff]

New behemoth node

"Can only use a few spells as a treat"

[fathom plinth]

You guys think I should test stuff without ascendancies rn

[normal hedge]

isnt it bad then for single target?

[hard cliff]

No

[fathom plinth]

Oh

[undone gazelle]

fusillade on ele ? never had an issue with single target, with multiple rares, the projs just fork to the next one

[normal hedge]

no i mean with nimis

[fathom plinth]

I mean like if I play rn I should just not take ascendancis?

To get a general idea idk lol

[hard cliff]

are you brand new?

[fathom plinth]

I have 1000 hours but ye I have no idea what im doin tbh lol

Last phrecia I didnt even play rly coz I was clueless

[undone gazelle]

someone managed to int stack with nimis, turns into a disco ball and your gpu in flames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rllbbMfeB_I

[normal hedge]

i see

dont looks bad

[undone gazelle]

at minimum 8 projs feels comfy with nimis

[normal hedge]

oh hes not even using the bugged graft

[hard cliff]

ohhh 1k hours that's fine

Phrecia isn't that weird.

Don't over think it too much ascendencies are going to be more than a little bit out there compared to the base game and there's going to be a lot more monster mods making things harder. Besides that I would just wait till patch notes and pick a reliable League starter for something that sounds silly and fun. It hasn't started yet anyway so you can't try the alt ascendancies

[proud gorge]

huh, for some reason some of these builds are running Attribute quality on their Presence of Chayula instead of life/defense quality

[undone gazelle]

yeah debating over the 3 asc for what to run fusillade on, free void or nimis or just stack dex

[proud gorge]

does the extra 4% of life converted to energy shield present a problem that they have to solve or something?

[fathom plinth]

Yeh for sure, id love to learn the game and be able to make my own builds even if they cant do all content but my braincell struggles lol

Would love to try cyclone soulrend of the spiraling on a bog shaman or smth coz I love witch for the fantasy but ye, clueless

[proud gorge]

there'll be plenty of people putting out build guides on youtube or something

honestly I'd recommend checking out one of them, I'm sure Ziz probably has some fun phrecia builds

or will by the time the event league is out anyways

[fathom plinth]

Yeah for sure

[potent horizon]

the way i have kinetic rain setup is like "we have kinetic blast at home"

and im using the bal jewel so i have mageblood at home

[fathom plinth]

I always go in with the goal of farming a mirror lol but then I wanna try all these differnt builds out

And end up making no progress and then quitting after a week

Even tho I always buy the top supporter packs 😂

[hard cliff]

thank you for funding the game

[fathom plinth]

Lol ofcourse, never seen any dev team quite like ggg

Just need to lock in at some point and really stick to a build

Doesn't help that I dropped a mageblood in my very first 2 weeks of playing and every league start since just feels like hell in comparison 💀

[whole bluff]

It was oshabi that had spellslinger right? And the poisson node? 🐟

[normal hedge]

50% rmr for spellslinger

[night bone]

Is there any phrecia + bloodline combo that would be really good? I haven't seen anything thus far making me go all brain kasplodey

[fiery marsh]

Shush

[whole bluff]

If they make the poisson node assassin lvl and let that out if wisp prison, it would be giga

[normal hedge]

but i dont think she has poison

ah nvm

its all dmg can poison with grasping vines

[whole bluff]

Vinespike cordial 😭

Typo

[whole bluff]

Ye 😭

[normal hedge]

hey its good youi just gotta hit 5 times b4 start doing dmg

[whole bluff]

I guess it really is a poisson node atm

[leaden mural]

why did like no one play Polytheist? There looks like some interesting nodes, I get why gambler was not played but that one had some good stuff I thought

[normal hedge]

:holy:

wisps op

[night bone]

The only one that seems really good to me is sparksurfer

[proud gorge]

I do not like this passive tree pathing lmao

even though I'm well aware that's somehow optimal

[whole bluff]

Polytheist doesn't have 4 good caster nodes or 4 good attack nodes. It has like 2 good caster nodes, 2 good attack nodes, and a usable defensive node behind a good attack node. It should be better with bloodlines

But hopefully they buff it relatively big

"Maximum cold resistance is 87%" gimme

Or just 85%

[proud gorge]

that area on the right side of the wheels near the Shadow starting zone, around Resourcefulness, truly are a nightmare of weird passive tree pathing

[undone gazelle]

how do you deal with prophet's blind asc again? do you just skip that or run another asc on campaign?

[whole bluff]

Blind is just less accuracy

[proud gorge]

if they buffed Polytheist's Abberath's Fury node to actually be good, I might be tempted to actually play Phrecia

[whole bluff]

But you can go immune with nodes too

[proud gorge]

but I still doubt it'll be good, because even if they make it better it still can't get supports

[whole bluff]

Polytheist might just have +3 min all charges as mandatory in current iteration without bloodlines

[proud gorge]

they need to make the Abberath's Fury node say "also if you have Abberath's Hooves equipped, the version of Abberath's Fury you get from those becomes level 30 also"

[whole bluff]

Cuz that is 1 of the good caster nodes as well as 1 of the good attack nodes

[normal hedge]

lycosidae early on -> garukhan pantheon -> hits cannot be in your weapon

[leaden mural]

I always thought it was kind of awkward that little dip area on shadow side

[whole bluff]

Ranger and shadow have awkward places yup

[leaden mural]

you lose a node basically

[whole bluff]

Yup

[split pagoda]

Wat is this marauder pathing tho

[leaden mural]

just going to charge from start

and taking w/e nodes

[split pagoda]

Thats crazy are u doing some specific skill that uses them or smth

[leaden mural]

what?

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I never considered shadow cannot really path out to the edge from its own area

[undone gazelle]

is "hits cannot" on wand? garukan might be enough early on

[normal hedge]

not so sure now

lemme check

[proud gorge]

yeah, and if you don't need those two specific small nodes of life and energy shield on kill and 20% crit chance, you genuinely lose no points for dropping those two small nodes and replacing them with the above int nodes

which is exactly what the tree I'm using does

[normal hedge]

yeah you cant craft hits cannot be evaded on wands smh

[undone gazelle]

ill just take the attack mastery then for fusillade

[proud gorge]

it looks incredibly awkward and yet it's optimal

[normal hedge]

but if u're talking about super early campaign a option is arakaali instead of blind prophet, then you only get envy and dont spend the rest of your ascendancy points, and respect b4 maps, cobra lash for clear + blade trap for single target

[sleek barn]

whats a funny bow skill for return

i realize that bow skills are plenty boring

[proud gorge]

barrage i dunno

yeah most bow skills are very boring

it's just "shoot arrow" but it has a color

[hard cliff]

it's quirky I like it

[steady elk]

praying next league's supporter packs are actually decent or ill be suffering from nostashtabitis next league too

[thorny gazelle]

Can anyone confirm from the poe wiki if herald of agony is actually hard capped at 100 stacks? I am looking at phrecia builds and people were building for more than 100 stacks but the wiki says it is hard capped at 100

[hard cliff]

spore pod shot

[normal hedge]

but garukhan + 1 accuracy wheel + this mastery should be enough

[undone gazelle]

yeah should be enough, or else imma slot precision early then

[proud gorge]

oh hey, Barrage of Volley Fire actually seems fun

maybe I should build that

[sleek barn]

oh thats true

[proud gorge]

very funny skill, though probably not the cleanest to use since it has a delay at the start

[sleek barn]

hit based scourge arrow

log in

[whole bluff]

How did they build that high? Sounds fun but also sounds impossible

[undone gazelle]

getting to window of opportunity should be faster from shadow than witch side

[proud gorge]

another funny bow skill: Rain of Arrows of Saturation

unfortunately not returnable though

[thorny gazelle]

With the phrecia event giving +25 to maximum virulence you can achieve it pretty reasonably with cluster jewel stacking, quality and the ascendancy

[whole bluff]

Damn

[split pagoda]

oh yeah I forgot hoag is actually a solid build with herald ascendancy

[sage falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNLjTJNLZg

[whole bluff]

People could be ninjawarrioring 100+ virulence

[proud gorge]

man

[sleek barn]

scourge arrow is indeed funny but like

[leaden mural]

I do not really like it, its awkward compared to rest of tree, its why most people just gonna path down and over easier pathing or up and around

[sleek barn]

it doesn't benefit from return

[proud gorge]

why the fuck did they do this

[sleek barn]

actually hold on

[proud gorge]

who in their right mind is playing this nonsense

[sleek barn]

you can stack projectile speed to make the thorns return

[stoic horizon]

splaff was talking about using this

[hard cliff]

ice shot with 100% pierce

[stoic horizon]

[sage falcon]

they get up to 138 in this video

[thorny gazelle]

so visually it looks like it goes over 100 but if you go into POB it hard caps at 100 and the wiki says it hard caps at 100 - testing on base league is pretty difficult because of the setup I really have no idea

[proud gorge]

like, I get the idea, bow skills are generally really boring so what if they made the most complicated bow skill ever

but man

that isn't a wall of text, that's a whole tower

[sleek barn]

alright

sounds like im playing scourge arrow of the menace mines blind prophet

[fiery marsh]

Rip

[frigid wedge]

its bow spark but worse

[hard cliff]

lmao

[fiery marsh]

Rip gpu

[frigid wedge]

i intend to play it in this upcoming league tbh

[sleek barn]

its a poe2 skill

[hard cliff]

I'm so glad the wiki has summaries

[sleek barn]

conceptually

[proud gorge]

my condolences

[frigid wedge]

might add mfa storm rain with coc spark tbh

for clutter

[fiery marsh]

Bro hates the floor

[hard cliff]

best reasons

[sleek barn]

as you should

[sage falcon]

poe2 skill but they put it in poe1

[proud gorge]

tbh I do like a good pure visual clutter build

[frigid wedge]

merc build make it black, this league build freezes the game before i load it

[hard cliff]

they've been doing that a lot lately

😑

[tough cove]

were any of the new bow skills actually worth using?

[frigid wedge]

no

[fiery marsh]

When build 1st dropped it was so bad on batista I re rolled

[frigid wedge]

but im going to anyway

[frigid wedge]

what build

[tough cove]

ok just making sure, cause when i read them when they launched i was like these all suck

[frigid wedge]

yeah they do

[sleek barn]

is the delay in which a scourge arrow of the menace drops its spore pod based on time or distance?

[stoic horizon]

hey kinetic fussilade is very uniqu-

[fiery marsh]

Scourge arrow of the menace

[frigid wedge]

distance

[proud gorge]

I mean, not really? Out of the last several skill gems added to the game, very few are like that

[sleek barn]

great

projectile speed it is

[frigid wedge]

sa of menace is p strong tbh

[normal hedge]

scourge arrow was sick

[proud gorge]

all the Trarthus gems, for example

[normal hedge]

with all dmg can poison tincture

[frigid wedge]

u need proj speed anyway

[fiery marsh]

It will probably be screen cancer on locust mines

[frigid wedge]

for returns

[hard cliff]

just in general

bloodlines are heavily poe 2 nerfed

[sleek barn]

yeah i mentioned that earlier

i was just worried it would brick the initial arrow as it hits walls

[frigid wedge]

its just less visually dense vgyre tbh

[tough cove]

now to spend a week deciding on antiquitarian or scavaenger

[pulsar dune]

does locus even make sense with shotgunning skills

you lose proj

[proud gorge]

I mean Bloodlines feel more phrecia-ish

[hard cliff]

you looking at the two classes most likely to be over hauled

[tough cove]

probs

[sleek barn]

it doesn't have to be locus mine

[proud gorge]

they definitely needed to have downsides so that they're actually a choice to take, rather than automatic free power on every build

[fiery marsh]

Worked well on ps mines. But need an auto target skill

[pulsar dune]

you do not lose proj on ps I don't think

[stoic horizon]

scavenger now gets HH

[tough cove]

i did stormcaster last phrecia though

[pulsar dune]

not that proj matters as much on ps

[tough cove]

and prophet

[proud gorge]

and we can see that because the few bloodlines that don't have any downsides and are purely just free power, are functionally just automatic free power on any build that feels like taking them

[sleek barn]

is blind prophet normally meta in phrecia

i'll check poe.ninja

[pulsar dune]

nah

[tough cove]

although bog shaman might be super interesting wtih all the new life support for casters

[hard cliff]

hasn't been an issue with every normal ascendancy

[fiery marsh]

Hell nah

[pulsar dune]

it's all surfcaster and the dexstack mana gal

[stoic horizon]

was mostly used cuz ls was in its full glory back then

[proud gorge]

so yeah, Bloodlines taking the form of extra ascendancies that every class can access

means they kind of do need downsides

[hard cliff]

Nope

[fiery marsh]

Nope

[sleek barn]

its kinda up there

[hard cliff]

The downside is an asc point it's not free

[fiery marsh]

This ain't poe2

[sleek barn]

15% blind prophets

fuck i can't do it now

[tough cove]

no they dont because the downside of taking them is NOT having the ascendancies in your regular ascendancy

[proud gorge]

yeah that's because regular ascendancies you can only have one of, and it defines your entire character

[tough cove]

theres already a downside built into them

[pulsar dune]

I mean, it's phrecia, like 80% of the ascenancies do actively nothing, or nerf you

[sleek barn]

how was there only 3% bog shamans

its all anyone talks ab here

[split pagoda]

its pretty much all lightning strike

[stoic horizon]

play aristocrat tornado shot tri attri stack mines

[split pagoda]

wouldnt call it meta now

[pulsar dune]

ppl hate lifestack

[tough cove]

because LS was omegaop when phrecia launched

[sleek barn]

oh makes sense

[tough cove]

and lifestack was missing some o fthe pieces they added after phrecia

[normal hedge]

how much if you block dissolution?

[proud gorge]

if you could take any ascendancy node regardless of class, then yeah, they'd need downsides so that you actually take ascendancy nodes that contribute to your build, rather than every single build taking the same few generic power ascendancies

[sleek barn]

i don't like tornado shot either

[pulsar dune]

(also is blind prophet literally just deadeye-lite)

[normal hedge]

because disso isnt a real build

[fiery marsh]

Dumpster tier

[sleek barn]

1%

lol

[fiery marsh]

Mana stacker most popular league starter besides bow

[stoic horizon]

uhhh

[proud gorge]

people have really gotten really angry at the concept of "downsides" in builds for some reason, entirely because "wah wah PoE2". Like, that's how much of PoE has worked for ages. Most of the support gems have long had downsides to them, that's kind of how they work

[sleek barn]

yeah i suppose blind prophet isn't exactly the most unique ascendancy

[proud gorge]

"downsides" help to focus your build, letting to trade away things you don't give a shit about for extra power that you do care about

[frigid wedge]

blind prophet is soooo generic

[fiery marsh]

Poe2 logic. Goodbye

[proud gorge]

but at the same time ensure that you can't just take it on literally everything

[frigid wedge]

only cool node is just on sabo now

[fiery marsh]

Asc should be powerful otherwise why ascend

[tough cove]

theres some places downsides are fine in. I dont think Ascendancies is one of them unless you getting absolute tons of extra power as a counter to said downside

[proud gorge]

this isn't ascendancies though

it's Bloodlines, which are by definition extra

[stoic horizon]

ehhh

[tough cove]

Bloodlines are still ascendancies

They cost ascendancy points

[stoic horizon]

they take your asc points

[fiery marsh]

There are downsides in keystones and uniques

[tough cove]

Their cost is literally the same as regular ascendancies

[frigid wedge]

yeah bloodlines arent that bad

[proud gorge]

they should be designed such that you only take bloodlines if your build actually wants the stuff in them, rather than generically taking them on every build because they're available

[fiery marsh]

Bloodlines have a gatekeeper mechanic too

[sleek barn]

login harbinger shrine stacking

[tough cove]

Some of them having downsides is fine (see extra ring slot)

[stoic horizon]

cuz atp if they are in general weaker than ascendacy points then why take them

[tough cove]

but some of the ones with downsides make absolutely no sense to begin with

[pulsar dune]

if bloodlines are to be strong and niche (which is definitely more interesting than weak and universal), I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to not have downsides

[proud gorge]

all the most interesting bloodline ascendancies are the ones that have actual focused power, rather than generic power nonsense

[frigid wedge]

in terms of downsides bloodlines are fine, bc its situational but effectively works like forbiddens

so it feels balanced

[fiery marsh]

Plus most asc are so bad there's only a 4 point.

[proud gorge]

like wow, this ascendancy gives you free less damage taken of two elements? wow

[pulsar dune]

yea breachlord is getting deleted

[split pagoda]

i think its fine to have bloodline ascendancies be more tradeoff/niche focused than regular ascendancies

[pulsar dune]

(tho admittedly it's not even that good for a whole asc point)

[proud gorge]

Breachlord is the worst offender for free generic power yeah

[frigid wedge]

theres a lot of ascendancies that like taking a bloodline, but rn elementalist is the most popular ascendancy and it wants every point on the asc tree

[fiery marsh]

Guardian said hold my beer

[proud gorge]

bloodlines very much should be more niche than regular ascendancies, because you're making the choice to spec into them

[fiery marsh]

Glad hold up

[frigid wedge]

guardian still has enough value to only take 1 bloodline node tbh

[fiery marsh]

Glad got a rework and it's still dogwater

[stoic horizon]

cuz bleed is meh

[split pagoda]

glad is fine lol

[proud gorge]

Glad is real good, but mainly for one thing, that being Block

[split pagoda]

not op but its not bad either

[pulsar dune]

glad has a place in the meta, even if a niche one

[fiery marsh]

Glad is dead. Top lowest played asc

[frigid wedge]

yeah but its definitely not the worst ascendancy anymore, generally ppl dont take defensive ascendancies much tho

[stoic horizon]

although the azmadi crest setups are fun

[sleek barn]

how hard is it to league start an HoT build

[fiery marsh]

Assassin dead

[tough cove]

Glad is probably in an ok place right now

[pulsar dune]

oh what ladder?

[tough cove]

The assassin rework was awful for the most part

[proud gorge]

completely wrong what are you talking about

[hard cliff]

If you want to add a bunch of extra meta asc but then suddenly decide wait this doesn't work in the game you take them out instead of just trying to shove a square peg up inside a round hole. Like some of these are so unplayable because the second line just completely ruins any point I'm good you

[frigid wedge]

the reason glad feels meh is bc ppl click ascendancy mostly for utility or dps, instead of for defences

[fiery marsh]

League start poeninja

[proud gorge]

Glad is middle of the pack, 4% playrate on Keepers

[tough cove]

Also the fact that its a 4 node ascendancy if you arent bleed

[proud gorge]

non-hardcore

[stoic horizon]

?

[frigid wedge]

leaguestart is diff, but glad is also excellent for leaguestart bc of valdos

its the cheapest ascendancy to get into valdos

[proud gorge]

the ascendancy that's really suffering in playrate is Sabo

[frigid wedge]

and is very effective for it

[hard cliff]

that's insane

[fiery marsh]

I stand corrected

[tough cove]

sabo is incredibly strong, just a lot of people hate mine/trap gameplay

[hard cliff]

people doing mirror level valdo day 1

[frigid wedge]

sabo is a 2 point ascend rn lets be real

chain reaction sometimes

[fiery marsh]

Blind stong tho and free nimis

[hard cliff]

Sabo is trying to do too many things at once

[pulsar dune]

yea, that's the 2 points

[stoic horizon]

nah miners just get played on other ascendacies now

[frigid wedge]

yesh the nimis helped a bit

[stoic horizon]

and traps are kinda zzz

[proud gorge]

Sabo is alright, the problem is its niche of "trap/mine ascendancy" has never really been that popular, and has been increasingly taken by other ascendancies

[fiery marsh]

Pyroclast got deleted tho

[pulsar dune]

yea mines on sabo are just rolling magma atp

[frigid wedge]

but personally if someone says sabo the ONLY memorable part of the ascendancy is triggerbots

[fiery marsh]

And seismic is dead

[proud gorge]

since a lot of traps/mines are just better on other ascendancies anyways

[pulsar dune]

yea triggerbots are cool

[tough cove]

hexblast also got deleted too

[stoic horizon]

thats how it looks like when you filter by mines

[proud gorge]

triggerbots are fun yeah

[sleek barn]

i do sabo quite often

[frigid wedge]

hexblast and seismic were never sabo

[hard cliff]

trigger bots for exploit builds

sad ascendancy

[sleek barn]

just for triggerbots

[fiery marsh]

Miner actually strong af on league start

[hard cliff]

[frigid wedge]

ppl always just used trickster

[sleek barn]

but i suppose you can just FF triggerbots

[leaden mural]

pyro mines are fantastic for league starter, most of us who played exsang/reap miner started with pyro

[fiery marsh]

Frostblink mines

[pulsar dune]

everyone who played FB mines told me they sometimes don't explode

[frigid wedge]

atm for me triggerbots is the only defining node on sabo

[pulsar dune]

so I decided to pass on them

[tough cove]

assassin i dont know what they were thinking with the rework

[fiery marsh]

Blind and nimis for memes

[tough cove]

i guess it went from useless to useful for ff jewels

[sleek barn]

its certainly an ascendancy

[split pagoda]

seismic trap was defo sabo

[frigid wedge]

ppl kept saying add all damage can poison to it and assassin would be great and ggg went too far

[gritty epoch]

U get Level 30 assassin mark

[pulsar dune]

probably the same issue totems have where there is a minimum blink distance

[split pagoda]

but u could play it on abunch of shit with how broken it was lol

[fiery marsh]

Assassin been poop for a decade

[sleek barn]

hold on i can do some black zenith shenanigans with mixed munitions and harbinger

[pulsar dune]

assa just doesn't have enough defenses on ascendancy in a meta where defenses actually matter and zHP builds hit so far over dotcap poison is just very sus

[tough cove]

yep

theres literally no reason to do poison in assassin because everything it does pathfinder does strictly better

[hard cliff]

this would work though

frost blink is stupid strong

[sleek barn]

it did work

[tough cove]

ggg really needs to accept that elusive is not a defensive mechanism

[pulsar dune]

yea frostblink mines are good, bronn's lithe and you hit 8 digits easy

and then you scale further past that

[sleek barn]

idk which content creator released a video on it but it was certainly out there

[pulsar dune]

jungroan

[sleek barn]

sounds about right

bronns lithe is a good call

[pulsar dune]

which is why I believe when ppl tell me the mines sometimes don't explode

bronns is P much the only reason to actually do frostblink (tho the skill does have pretty solid DE even at a baseline)

[sleek barn]

ha funny foulborn bronns has cdr

you can do regular fb instead of fbowb

[proud gorge]

man, this is a weird passive tree for this build

[frigid wedge]

honestly the issue w assassin is the same issue as scavenger for phrecia

too much of it is replaceable with singular uniques for it to be worth clicking

[proud gorge]

it's Split Personality, but the Splits are over there, in the top left

[frigid wedge]

and unlike scav none of them are particularly useful uniques

[proud gorge]

so there's a lot more passive tree past the splits

[frigid wedge]

in most cases

[frigid wedge]

u said u were making HoT?

u going fishing rod surf

or what

[proud gorge]

no I'm probably not playing Phrecia, this is Keepers Foulborn Kitava's Thirst Jiquani's Sabo

[hard cliff]

uhhhh based?!

[frigid wedge]

ah

[hard cliff]

[frigid wedge]

What skill

[sleek barn]

yeah what skill

[proud gorge]

uh, several skills

[frigid wedge]

oh ur looping

go off king

[proud gorge]

it's using CoC Soulrend of the Spiral in its 6-link, but that's mostly just because that can easily hit 200 life cost

it's not loop no

[night bone]

Is there a phrecia + bloodline combo I'm unaware of that would be brain kaplodey? Cause I ain't seen one yet.

[sleek barn]

what utility does kitavas thirst bring

or is it damage

[frigid wedge]

literally any bloodline with overlap

eg olroth antiquarian

[proud gorge]

then the helmet contains two skill gems that work well with Sabo triggerbots returning. The standard seems to be Blazing Salvo + Rolling Magma

but there's other options

[night bone]

cause if I'm gonna have to deal with breach walls in 2/3s of all zones, I'm gonna want something crazy op

[sleek barn]

so more damage

gotcha

[night bone]

I'm so done with those friggin walls

[proud gorge]

in this case the Kitava's Thirst is being used with Triggerbots and returning

[sleek barn]

sure

[proud gorge]

so it's not so much "more damage" as it is the entire damage

[sleek barn]

i honestly have no problem with the walls

[proud gorge]

the Soulrend of the Spiral has terrible damage

[sleek barn]

oh ok i see

so youd prioritize more spells for the flat damage from jiquanis

[proud gorge]

it's alright for, like, trash mobs

[sleek barn]

over quality

[proud gorge]

yeah

[frigid wedge]

are u taking bloodline

[sleek barn]

makes sense

[frigid wedge]

for synaptic

[proud gorge]

nah, apparently this goes Farrul cats

[sleek barn]

good build

i approve

[frigid wedge]

oh its stolen

[proud gorge]

which makes sense, it can't actually hit 100% crit chance without it

yeah I didn't make up this build lmao

[tough cove]

i dont have a problem with walls personally, i never understood teh complaints about them

[proud gorge]

I couldn't come up with something this deranged

[tough cove]

especially after they patched them to pop anytime you hit a purple dot

[sleek barn]

yeah

i just walk through em

[frigid wedge]

i think corpse explode spectral tigers could be fun

or instability

minion instab

[proud gorge]

what did you think when I was like "wow it's weird that this build runs double Splits but extends the passive tree beyond the splits"

although turns out the jewel socket all the way on the left is somehow the exact same distance away as the split sockets in the cluster jewel

[sleek barn]

are the spectral tigers considered corpses

oh you mean like a DD build

[frigid wedge]

not enough points to get next cluster socket comfortably but has location sensitive jewels

is what i thought

[proud gorge]

yeah

I mean, the build would only need 2 extra passive points to reach the next cluster jewel spot

[stoic horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIW6p3bX8Mk

[frigid wedge]

minion instability is probably better thought

not uh

[stoic horizon]

this looks cool

[tough cove]

yeah, its 2 point short of getting the splits in a better location

[proud gorge]

but apparently it's tight enough that it can't afford the two extra points

[frigid wedge]

isnt this just dance in the white

[hard cliff]

scary hands AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[frigid wedge]

with a graft that crits

or like

falling crystals

[proud gorge]

I feel like this build could definitely somehow scrounge up a couple of extra passive points

[hard cliff]

watching now

this is gonna make me wanna never play poe again lol

[proud gorge]

especially given that the highest level version of this build on ladder is only level 99

[stoic horizon]

nah with the other cold one

that shoots faster

[proud gorge]

but maybe the points are genuinely just that tight

[stoic horizon]

at nearby chilled enemies

but anyway looks like it could work on paladin

[proud gorge]

or more likely, the couple of extra points it would have to spend aren't worth the slightly higher Int and ES

[frigid wedge]

minion instability

[tough cove]

now that ive had some time to thing about it...herald/catarina autobomber is probably silly and stupid

[frigid wedge]

so just worse elementalist

[hard cliff]

Noooo don't explode the tigers

[tough cove]

alot of stuff is worse elementalist sadly

[frigid wedge]

but they are euch good bombs

its just higher dps less effective popcorn spectres i believe

esp if u add death wish

[hard cliff]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPx2f39Pnns

[sleek barn]

similar to MI spectral wolves

[frigid wedge]

jousis boss pop build is coming back boys and girls

now with pussy

ok i go now

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I honestly have very little idea if this build is actually good or not

[sleek barn]

each of the spectral wolves i had had 327k health

pretty nice

[proud gorge]

the Full DPS on PoB doesn't actually look very high

[sleek barn]

idk what the tigers would have

[proud gorge]

but maybe I'm missing a lot of things

but hey, the build looks funny

and it uses an underappreciated Foulborn in an underused ascendancy

that's all I'm looking for

[tough cove]

always good to find underutlized and unappreciated stuff to try

[sleek barn]

actually with the lack of support gems to support summon spectral tiger i doubt it would be any good for MI

not even sure how you'd explode it unless death wish/body swap of sacrifice

can't support it with infernal legion

yeah slotting it into my spectral wolves build the tigers only have 300k life

still impressive since theres no minion life support

[crystal talon]

Only 300k??

Holy

[potent bramble]

I'm not in-game right now, but does anyone happen to recall what modifier is replaced on FoulbornMon'tregul's Grasp to give it the damage buff?

[proud gorge]

it's on the wiki

or wait its not

[crystal talon]

Look on trade site. Idk if it even exists tbh

[proud gorge]

is Foulborn Mon'tregul even a thing

[sleek barn]

i dunno if its a thing

[crystal talon]

Like 80% sure it doesn't

[sleek barn]

its in poedb

but probably not obtainable in game

[potent bramble]

It was on poedb - it does say "not in game" but the icon looks like a bug so I assumed it was more meant to be a bug report button and not a "hey you can't actually get this" button

[sleek barn]

nope

its not obtainable

none on trade

[potent bramble]

Big sad. Now I gotta find a new solution

[sleek barn]

that would be a fairly cool unique

not sure why its not obtainable

[potent bramble]

Maybe just because there'd be no great option for what to have the modifier replace. I guess

[tough cove]

there are some foulborns where they dont replace at all

[sleek barn]

unfortunate if true

im at work can't check

[fathom plinth]

Is standard popular? I kinda wanna make a deaths oath occultist and just have a character to keep coming back to and progress at my own pace lol

[normal hedge]

no

[surreal musk]

bv bog shaman is going to be way stronger this league than original phrecia cause of runegraft of the witchmark added in 3.26 hard enables their 'life cost as extra phys' node

[hard cliff]

No but I hear async trade makes it much easier

[proud gorge]

hmm, I wonder if there's any builds that genuinely use Prismatic Burst

its such a weird support/skill gem

[sleek barn]

one of bidos build

[proud gorge]

it's like shitty CoC, but it triggers on any hit but also has a really long cooldown

[sleek barn]

definitely shitty but usable

[fathom plinth]

Hmm okay, curious what the economy is like lol, would it be way more expensive etc

[normal hedge]

what? every bv bog was already using it because of rathpith

[proud gorge]

yeah Standard in general is very expensive, since inflation is just very high there

so most things will cost a lot to buy

[surreal musk]

rathpith is a sacrifice not a cost, it has no interaction with 'gain added phys from life cost'

[pulsar dune]

Prismatic burst shakos aren't too expensive funnily enough

[fathom plinth]

Ah fair, ty

[pulsar dune]

So you can play it

It's just not very good

[fathom plinth]

Maybe i could do ssf somehow lmao

[normal hedge]

nvm then

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Prismatic Burst has some interesting mechanics with its whole "the element selected is dependent on your attributes" thing

but it really is simultaneously the worst prismatic skill, and also the worst form of triggered spell

[pulsar dune]

If you want to actually be effective I think you have to combat focus anyway

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/wLMGZ7Y without lifetap or exsessive lifecost padding this adds 3.2k life cost to BV which is 2.4k flat added phys. if u wanted to pad with lifetap it would be 7k flat added phys

[pulsar dune]

It even has a worse phrasing than ele hit so you can't covert

[normal hedge]

in my old pob

[proud gorge]

but yeah, even with very high attribute stacking it still has a chance to pick the wrong element

[normal hedge]

funny lol

[pulsar dune]

It alternates between 2 no?

Unless you force it into just one via combat focus

[proud gorge]

that's what I was thinking yeah

[normal hedge]

https://pobb.in/7giJf2uuGUsq

[proud gorge]

but yeah, if you had one combat focus and two attributes kept balanced, then it'd randomly pick between the two

which I guess could be sort of useful it you linked it to a prismatic attack skill?

but overall just seems kind of ass

[normal hedge]

ah its not configurated

[proud gorge]

honestly the biggest issue with Prismatic Burst is that 0.8 second cooldown

[hard cliff]

just treat standard as ssf light

[normal hedge]

https://pobb.in/5I3WjCmTFzgu

[pulsar dune]

Oh wait prismatic burst doesn't have the never chooses two consecutively line

Interesting

[proud gorge]

if Prismatic Burst had, say, a 0.25 second cooldown, it'd still be bad, but at least it'd have some use as, like, a cheaper but way harder to work with version of CoC

but 0.8 second base cooldown is super bad

oh wait it gets some cooldown recovery with level

so a level 30 Prismatic Burst, eg from Shako, gets 87% cooldown recovery

[elfin shale]

There's Foulborn Doomfletch for giga cheap level 30 btw

Or is it 25

[sleek barn]

HUUH

bloon get cat off keyboard

[elfin shale]

Hiii cat :)

[normal hedge]

@mods

[proud gorge]

even so, 87% cooldown recovery gives level 30 Prismatic Burst... a 0.428 second cooldown?

[normal hedge]

why poe ninja put it in blood stance icant

[sleek barn]

i don't think CDR is the move unfortunately

[finite quail]

https://pobb.in/HHAvAlE0XZJe bog shaman memes go hard

[pulsar dune]

Are there moves other than CDR?

[proud gorge]

no Prismatic Burst naturally gains cooldown recovery speed with level

so that its natural cooldown at level 30

which is a lot better than 0.8

[pulsar dune]

.4s cool down is not wholly unplayable I guess.

[proud gorge]

but still not amazing

[finite quail]

btw dont bother with prismatic burst and cdr shenanigans

its dogshit

I already tried

[pulsar dune]

Ah, I knew someone bought the shako

[proud gorge]

yeah, it getting natural cooldown with level means that additional cooldown investment just isn't very worth it

at all

[finite quail]

A 35 one

[proud gorge]

since its base cooldown is so high, but it gets a lot of free cooldown, so additional cooldown isn't particularly worth it

35 Prismatic Burst gives 94% cooldown recovery speed, so, uh, 0.41 second cooldown

not sure how that shakes out with server ticks

looks like it gains added damage effectiveness up to 20, but then remains at 280%

[sage falcon]

are you sure pob is hardcapping it?

it doesnt seem to be doing that for me

[pulsar dune]

Not like you're adding flat to it

[crystal talon]

would round up to .429. Next break point is .396

[proud gorge]

I mean, you could, lmao. Run something like Jiquani's for extra flat lightning, plus the int makes it pick lightning more often

[sage falcon]

i.e.

[proud gorge]

ah, I think that's reachable at level 40 Prismatic Burst

level 40 gives 102% cooldown recovery speed

[pulsar dune]

Lel

[crystal talon]

can always just slap cdr from abyss jewels if you need a lil bit

or just mod belt/boot

[proud gorge]

the problem is I don't think there's any way to get the Shako prismatic burst to 40

since every source of skill gem level specifies skill gem, not skill

[crystal talon]

Yeah you are hard capped @ 35 on shako

[proud gorge]

so yeah, you'd have to go with the 35, then acquire an extra 8-9% Cooldown Recovery Speed from somewhere else

[pulsar dune]

BBD

[proud gorge]

and for all that work, you'd get the ability to trigger Prismatic Burst every 0.396 seconds

[sleek barn]

idk i would ask bidoblob how to do prismatic burst

[crystal talon]

I know how to do prismatic burst

You specificlly don't

[proud gorge]

for, uh, 850 to 16157 Lightning Damage with 280% damage eff

[sleek barn]

true

[finite quail]

You just don't

[proud gorge]

I guess

[finite quail]

It is bad

[pulsar dune]

8k lightning on a .4 cool down on a 4l

Surely

[proud gorge]

nah it's on a Forbidden Shako

so it's at least a 6l

[crystal talon]

Im kinda memeing. It is def viable

[proud gorge]

except one of those is Cyclone yeah

[crystal talon]

Well, the second support on the shako does nothing for prismatic burst.

[proud gorge]

forgot about that

[pulsar dune]

Yea, it's 4l

[proud gorge]

ah, good point

[crystal talon]

It is a level 35gem on a 4l though

[proud gorge]

wait

I just realized

[pulsar dune]

You can probably click static strike or smth for the triggers

It's not a difficult breakpoint after all

[proud gorge]

would the Forbidden Shako version actually get supported by other support gems in the helmet?

[crystal talon]

But yeah, you can outdamage it with a meme setup on a staff or something actually.

It does

just the second support mod on the shako itself doesn't support it.

[pulsar dune]

You can even unlink the 3 gems from the trigger skill to avoid the cost multiplier

[proud gorge]

interesting

[finite quail]

no

[proud gorge]

but yeah, 850 to 16157 lightning damage isn't bad, that's an average of 8,500-ish base damage per cast. That's, like, 2.4 casts of Lightning Conduit with 65% shock effect

[finite quail]

Oh nevermind

[surreal musk]

https://pobb.in/v7YTfbniAS4A

[finite quail]

There's a few supports that do work on it

[proud gorge]

the biggest issue is only being able to "cast" it at most like 2.5 times a second

[sleek barn]

ig you get explode for clear

[proud gorge]

meanwhile a halfway decent spell build can easily hit like 8-9 casts a second

[sleek barn]

you can use it in conjunction with some discharge

or some other slow trigger

[haughty gale]

Guys, I dont think I am mentally ready for infinite hunger with map mods and enrage on 0 gear, hold my hand chat I am scared

[sleek barn]

triggered lightning conduit

[proud gorge]

it's got a pretty decent AoE at level 35

since it also gains AoE with level

or rather, gains base radius with level

which is even better than AoE

hmm

I could envision using Prismatic Burst on some probably wand attack that benefits from spell damage

[stable hawk]

I hope there aren't map mods in bosses lol

[proud gorge]

then stick on some elemental spell damage supports that support both the attack and the prismatic burst

[haughty gale]

pretty sure there are

"every area will have a random number of map modifiers"

I imagine bosses fall under every

[stable hawk]

I guess not sure how that's gonna feel if so lol

[haughty gale]

I'll tell you how its gonna feel

[stable hawk]

I'd rather just have straight up gauntlet mods on ubers for example

[haughty gale]

its gonna feel like getting f*cked raw

[potent bramble]

Imagine - harbingers in the shore, before you even fight what's-his-face

[haughty gale]

with sand as lube

[haughty gale]

imagine this

[potent bramble]

"You wanna get to Lioneye's Watch? You gotta fight the Blue Man Group first."

[haughty gale]

the one poor guy

thats gonna get enraged uber hillock

[surreal musk]

s> quest exarch carry 5d

[haughty gale]

that might genuenly happen kekw

And if I understand it right, imagine uber uber shaper

[thorny gazelle]

It is not hard capped 👍

[haughty gale]

which is probably gonna be 6 map mods, 1 enraged shaper. 2 enraged shaper clones, and apparently new extra moves

[split maple]

Bosses in zone areas is Just atlas invasion like from pls no?

Ah you mean boss areas Will have map mods

Imagine multi proj ushaper 😄

[haughty gale]

three shapers...

cause clones

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

https://giphy.com/gifs/were-cooked-so-we-are-9IlIcor5TT3Xyyhdgi

[split pagoda]

If it works like that and it's like 6 random mods on ubers they can potentially get harder than gauntlet ubers

[haughty gale]

I'd say easily

[split pagoda]

On avg prob easier tho

[haughty gale]

people are definitely underestimating how hard this event will be

[split pagoda]

Yeah agreed but depends on the exact implementation

[elfin shale]

Oof Doomfletch is only a level 25 prismatic burst

[haughty gale]

I imagine that because build disabling mods cant roll

[split pagoda]

I think it's gonna feel somewhere in between normal and gauntlet difficulty overall

[haughty gale]

that damage and tank mods will be more likely

[sleek barn]

should play it on ruthless

[haughty gale]

ruthless HC ssf

[elfin shale]

@proud gorge Doomfletch loses 10 levels on Shako but gets +2 sockets. Might be worth considering

[split pagoda]

Kinda doubt they went too crazy cuz if it's actually like gauntlet then a fuck ton of people are just gonna quit day1

[haughty gale]

on the other hand holy powercreep

we get the new ascendancies, fouborns and tree and bloodlines and grafts

It'll be like an inverse ruthless

you get a lot of loot, but man are the enemies gonna be stronger in comparison

[potent bramble]

As long as I can get to Lioneye's Watch, I'm happy. That was my biggest complaint during Ziz's gauntlet - the fact that you only got the one skill gem option per class meant you were required to play the game a specific way, and I didn't like feeling as though my control was taken away.

'Course I'm also extremely bad-at-game, so that was surely part of it

[split pagoda]

I would defo advise people to start a reasonably tanky build for this event

Unless we get more details indicating it's not as rippy as it sounds

Cuz atm it sounds insane

[pulsar dune]

I mainly hope they didn't put avoid ignite into the random mod pool

[haughty gale]

I'd say we will need beyond reasonable

[stuck phoenix]

lol

[haughty gale]

no regen 🙂

[proud gorge]

the problem with Doomfletch compared to Shako is that those 5 levels represent 7% cooldown recovery, so hitting the 0.396 second breakpoint goes from requiring a pretty easy 9% CDR to a more difficult 16% CRD

still very doable, but requires more investment

[pulsar dune]

I can survive no regen

[proud gorge]

also lowers the base damage by a fair bit

[granite nexus]

we need patchnotes

[pulsar dune]

I can't play BAoV if it's avoid ignite

[haughty gale]

good for you but what about the rf guys

[potent bramble]

No Regen is fine, if they make it so you can see what the rolled mods are before entering the zone. If you can't see what the mods will be per-zone, it's gonna screw over a lot of builds IMO

[proud gorge]

though yeah, 2 extra support gems probably helps

[haughty gale]

I dont see how that would work, we definitely wont see the mods

[pulsar dune]

In campaign they just gotta run fast enough

[haughty gale]

bruh

[pulsar dune]

After campaign go next

[potent bramble]

They did it for... whatever that season was with the graveyard, so it could be done

[haughty gale]

you mean lantern?

that was different

you picked the mods, now they are random

[granite nexus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1qj0ean/we_have_rakiatas_at_home_90_chance_to_invert/ this is pretty neat

[potent bramble]

I'm like 90% sure there was something in that league where at the start you weren't able to see what it was gonna be in the zone until you entered, and they changed it partway through because it was a horrible experience

[haughty gale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gambling-gem-alert-diamond-Pt7nqKRQfqJf1QmPlL

[silent leaf]

Emiracle is making gambler CWS

[potent bramble]

Start of the league, I mean, not start of the campaign

[silent leaf]

[haughty gale]

ngl that sounds pretty ass but maybe I am not seeing the vision

[pulsar dune]

Gambler CWS for ultimatum?

[haughty gale]

actually I do, its rolling for a big ignite right?

[silent leaf]

Ye

[pulsar dune]

I see the vision

Can't exactly make a guide with FFs lel

Spell ruin is also giga rare

Well, pretty rare

[haughty gale]

Still, gonna be hard without chieftain, you dont have the big explode

[pulsar dune]

Ultimatum doesn't need damage really

You're in scoured maps

[haughty gale]

I think you are underestimating just how much the chieftain explode node carries the damage

I played it twice

[pulsar dune]

CWS glad is a build for farming ulti now

Gambler is the same thing P much

[haughty gale]

would be a better option than ignites imo

[pulsar dune]

I've also played CWS chief. You can get decent damage on the spells, but usually it's not worth doing

[haughty gale]

the chieftain node is 500% of enemy life, bascially a capped ignite, what other explode comes even close?

like 8

[pulsar dune]

You don't need to come close, you're doing ultimatums in scoured T16 maps

[haughty gale]

but they arent scoured

every area will have map mods

[pulsar dune]

True true

Still, should be fine enough

[haughty gale]

ignite ulti is not mathing for me really

[pulsar dune]

You don't do ignite on CWS glad usually

IG you still would actually

[haughty gale]

yeah thats why i said its a better otion

[pulsar dune]

Just DD of scavenging or whatever

The res invert one isn't ignite at all, res invert doesn't work for ignite

[haughty gale]

hold on I got an idea

nevermind

I thought there was a mod on idols that makes you do more damage in ultis or something like expedition chunking the mobs

apparently not

but stacking "as though you completed another round" will definitely be funny

just do one round, quit and get 10 free rewards

[modern goblet]

yo guys i m a newb, question whats gonna happen to keepers league mechanics during phrecia?

[pulsar dune]

90% invert gambler is somewhat interesting, what would you do with it, hexblast of contra is dead. Maybe just any old miner.

[ebon tendon]

will be the same

[haughty gale]

will stay the same i imagine

[split maple]

if you mean "Ultimatum Encounters in your Maps grant rewards as though you completed an additional Round" it doesnt do that

its just bribing scarb

[modern goblet]

so genesis tree will be there? lesgoo

[split maple]

so you get better rewards in earlier rounds, like if you began at round 10

[potent bramble]

Something just occurred to me... if every area has map mods, will that also mean that rare maps will have additional map mods? Because if you can stack rolled mods, random map mods, and idols.... the only viable option is probably ultra-tanky builds if you want to go for high profit strategies

[wet maple]

what does this mean for my chisels, that only 10c has sold, and my order is fucked? or it will slowly fulfull

[split maple]

it dont give extra rewards

[haughty gale]

should be, but apparently tree was stealth nerfed

[granite nexus]

yah i was actually thinking ice trap or something

[split maple]

it rly wasnt

[haughty gale]

yes

[pulsar dune]

Sunblast ice trap of hollowness gambler huh

[normal hedge]

it means you sold 16 chisels and the order still available

[haughty gale]

I've seen many accounts that claim otherwise

[wet maple]

ok tyty scared me

[split maple]

it still shits out overquals

and i still get unique jewels per 20 wombs

idk what was nerfed but it wasnt the good stuff

[haughty gale]

not saying its bad

just saying its nerfed

[pulsar dune]

It'd definitely be stronger than my unearth plans, so if patch notes give me something more to work with I'm sunblasting it up IG

[haughty gale]

good single target will be VERY important

[split maple]

like i see a lot of folks saying its nerfed on anecdotal data

i didnt see a single dude with like 1k lavish before and after supposed nerf data

[haughty gale]

all the bosses will have map mods and enrage, a scuffed clear build with 0 gear wont cut it

[sleek barn]

true

[granite nexus]

yeah, not a huge fan of sunblast but i think it could def work. or i guess icicle mine of fanning might be less clunky

[sleek barn]

guess im fucked

[split maple]

its just 2 free risk scarbs

mods arent scaled

like as long as you hit what 10-20mil you cruising except in t17

[haughty gale]

how do you know it's only 2?

[split maple]

bc if they give me more than 4 free mods i will be fucking ecstatic

[haughty gale]

and I mean atlas quest bosses and such

[pulsar dune]

Could try frostblink of wintry blast mines, that'd be pure power

[haughty gale]

I am expecting 4-6 at the highest level

[elfin shale]

I think they said 1 - 3 somewhere

[haughty gale]

imma need the sauce on that one

[split maple]

i am pretty sure that by every zone they didnt mean stuff like boss areas and sanctum and inscribeds and shit

just campaign and maps zones

[haughty gale]

I dont know

[split maple]

i need sauces for everything you wrote in last hour or so

[haughty gale]

"every zone" is pretty clear

[haughty gale]

which specifically? I can try

[pulsar dune]

Frostblink mines would be so nice for farming up indigons for all the metaslaves

[elfin shale]

Shaper with additional projectiles would be pretty based though lets be honest

[split maple]

every zone is pretty clearly bad phrased

like imagine map mods in sanctum lol

[potent bramble]

Harbs in town, big pogs

[elfin shale]

Is there any way to search for messages from people with a certain role

[proud gorge]

They've done "random modifiers in every zone" before, and yeah, it's just the regular campaign zones and maps

[potent bramble]

I know it won't happen, obviously, but it'd be so funny to just see a harbinger just vibin' at the Sarn Encampment

[haughty gale]

if I dont have to fight a moded up infinite hunger ill definitely be happy

when have they done it before though? I must've missed that

[proud gorge]

previous Phrecia

though notably they did give enhancements to the pinnacles

and act bosses

[split pagoda]

that1s pretty different cuz ya it's handcrafted gauntlet mods

[haughty gale]

I dont think previous phrecia had random map mods

[proud gorge]

no wait I'm looking at the Keepers phrecia

[haughty gale]

maybe i have dementia

[proud gorge]

nvm

they've definitely done "random modifiers in zones" before but I guess it wasn't atht one

[sleek barn]

they used to do that in some events

i forgot which event

but some temporary leagues

[haughty gale]

do you remeber if boss zones like infite hunger were affected?

only ones I am really concerned about

[proud gorge]

anyways, apparently the upcoming Phrecia event is very specifically random map affixes in campaign zones

and special enhancements on act and pinnacle bosses

[split pagoda]

not in maps?

no it is for sure in maps aswell

they did clarification thing about them acting like risk scarabs

[haughty gale]

"To start with, every area will have a random number of map modifiers"

its definitely in maps

guaranteed

from the event post

[sleek barn]

every area sounds to me like every area

aka also boss arenas

[haughty gale]

yeah thats what I thought

[potent bramble]

I can see why they wouldn't do it in maps, for balance/economy reasons, but I think it would feel bad play-wise to have maps be actively easier than the campaign

[proud gorge]

hmm, not sure where the wiki is getting its info from then

[haughty gale]

I dont think theres any debate on it being in maps

[proud gorge]

since it seems to claim that it's just campaign zones, but maybe it's wrong

[haughty gale]

where does it claim that?

[split pagoda]

yeah it's in campaign and maps for sure, personally I don't think it's in pinnacles or bosses

[split pagoda]

either way it's gonna be a rippy event lol

[haughty gale]

isnt this made just now by guys who dont have confirmation either?

[sleek barn]

wait

you don't keep your ascendancy once phrecia is migrated out?

thats so sad

i mean it makes sense

[haughty gale]

nope, gotta respec

[split pagoda]

ya it's prob some1 who edited it without actually knowing

[sleek barn]

very sucky though for someone who likes revisiting old builds

[proud gorge]

yeah, looks like despite being stated in two places it's wrong

since further clarification from devs have confirmed that it does apply to maps

[haughty gale]

now just to figure out the boss areas

cause semantically, bosses are still in "areas"

[elfin shale]

How does Snipe work with MFA

Does each stage gained proc MFA

[pulsar dune]

Should be just the initial one

But I haven't checked

[haughty gale]

mfa can proc channeled skills?

doesnt sound right

[sleek barn]

doesn't snipe just have 1 initial mana cost

wait

[haughty gale]

not that i've played a bow build

[sleek barn]

idk i have never looked at snipe

[kindred silo]

i think they are asking the opposite

[haughty gale]

ah i see

[sleek barn]

Munin is cooking with spare vegetable oil currently

[elfin shale]

MFA procs on mana spent rather than skill use so i think itll work

ill go test shouldnt be hard

[pulsar dune]

IG phrasing makes it seem like it should

[haughty gale]

also what about "All unique monsters will also enrage on low life." ?

that also sounds like it would apply to boss areas

[split pagoda]

that will for sure ye

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, that'll be scary on maven

And most bosses really

[haughty gale]

I feel like every area includes bosses on the map mod bit

but hey maybe its like nearby

where its one time no range and one time whole screen

[elfin shale]

ahh it does work but there's Cooldown issues

[haughty gale]

GGG have a way with words I tell you

[elfin shale]

Its kinda fuckin sick tho

[split pagoda]

enrage is like 30 haste/dmg and reduced dmg taken right?

[elfin shale]

hold up i might be cooking

[haughty gale]

cast when channeling with extra steps lel

[elfin shale]

true

[haughty gale]

I thought mfa can only proc bow skills?

I need to look up that skill

[hard cliff]

vampire survivor gameplay lmao

that's awesome

tbh

[elfin shale]

Yeah it can

Im using galvanic arrow there

[haughty gale]

oh I thought that by highlignting molten shell you meant that

i just looked at the picture

[elfin shale]

No i was just in the process of putting Snipe on right click lol

[haughty gale]

would be so nice tho

i will forever miss my boy on mouse 1

https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-godfather-the-l4FGGafcOHmrlQxG0

[cinder rock]

Will there still be the garbanzo breach during the event ? In every single map ?

[pulsar dune]

Yes

[hexed mountain]

You will be able to GIGA juice a type of event tho

[sleek barn]

i may not even make it to maps

[hexed mountain]

I prefer idols over the atlas ngl

[sleek barn]

if i choose shit build

[haughty gale]

and then breach defense will take up the space and delete it kek

if they just made it the circle only i'd be happy

[elfin shale]

Is this better than self-cast? no

[haughty gale]

I aint doing possibly 12 mod breach defense nuh uh

[sleek barn]

funny though

then you can do 500 MFA setups

and stack flat damage instead

[elfin shale]

Oh TRUTH NUKE

[haughty gale]

couldnt you always do that?

[elfin shale]

I could also scale the mana cost

So MFA isnt just straight 60% less damage

[sleek barn]

shhh

[haughty gale]

lol

[hard cliff]

are you just tapping snipe over and over to trigger mana forge?

[elfin shale]

Yea

You can also hold but Snipe has a habit of skipping cooldown uses

[hard cliff]

hell yeah

[haughty gale]

carpal tunnel poggers

[hexed mountain]

Its faster than scourge arrow? Back when i played this snipe was helm only

[split maple]

Hopefuly that's enough to force it to have loot 😄

[hard cliff]

I put my main skill on Q a long time ago

[split maple]

Like rn you need it in t17 wisped to feel it Worth the time

[haughty gale]

Hold on let me show you something if I can find it

[hexed mountain]

Same. Main skill on A (azerty keyboard)

[elfin shale]

Is there anything that gives socketed gems a fat mana cost

only socketed gems

[hexed mountain]

Why? Arent you running bloodmagic snipe?

[haughty gale]

this and also 70% currency dupe chance from altars

[hexed mountain]

I mean lifetap

[haughty gale]

and this is what I got for defense

[haughty gale]

somehow I dont think 12 mods would make a difference if that didnt