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[frigid wedge]

rilay please

the crit

[tranquil sedge]

how does not being on low life work with rathpith
do u just outheal the self damage?

oh nvm thats only for spells

[normal hedge]

ya

[hexed mountain]

this league is the easiest 100% conversion in damage taken has ever been isnt it? scavenger reaches 80% on its own , foulborn amulet gives 15% (just for hits tho) and then you just need another 5 anywhere , can put it on helm with eldritch mod

[frigid wedge]

where is 80% on scav coming from

[hexed mountain]

scavenger 40% + cloak of flame 40%

[frigid wedge]

right

[normal hedge]

i dont know how to fix it

but i'm also not playing it anyways

[hexed mountain]

90% with coil if you dont care about it being for DoTs too

[frigid wedge]

dont use an ammy with reduced crit

[normal hedge]

bruh

marylenes is bis

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[split maple]

its already possible in keepers itself but kinda takes a lot of slots

[hexed mountain]

yeah , was just saying its EVEN easier as keepers gave the conversion on amulet which we didnt have back in phrecia

its really low cost in slots with just an eldritch mod and an amulet+ ascendancy

[normal hedge]

besides marylenes theres yoke but its not better, or a crafted shrimplex

that i wont have

[split maple]

you can even just take lcoil for body instead of cloak

[hexed mountain]

might do scavenger fusillade , scion is arguably the best positionned class in the game for fusillade (unless you have the impossible escape magebane)

[normal hedge]

what would you get

[hexed mountain]

the +1 power charge and 25% spell damage is a huge damage boost

[normal hedge]

cloak of flame, void battery and fury valve?

[hexed mountain]

cant fury valve

[normal hedge]

ah wait

cant

theres only death rush lol

[hexed mountain]

death rush for clear speed or conflux

[normal hedge]

conflux isnt really a real choice especially in a leaguestarter scenario

[hexed mountain]

two highest equal is not that hard on a scion fusillade tbh

you're pretty much there by default

but yeah until you fix it properly you go death rush

[tranquil sedge]

are there any good recent delve guides
im ok if they're long or whatever but want something comprehensive

[cosmic reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP6mK6x2MFU

[hexed mountain]

like necrotic is 173/173 and if i remember correctly i used an omen wand in SSF that's 200 int so the requirements are very close

[normal hedge]

[brazen vector]

cooking a relic of the pact bog witch rn and I am already at 21k life without body armour

[normal hedge]

srev could make a better guide than that

[tranquil sedge]

if im watching a 2 year old guide i got this too lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC_En939Ing

its why i emphasized recent xd idk wat all kinda changes have happened there since then

[hexed mountain]

hasnt the dude who went ultra giga deep done a guide?

[split maple]

Idt anything changed since conners

[tranquil sedge]

and i dont want to put the effort to find out

[split maple]

Just economy situation

[tranquil sedge]

ok thats good enough for me

if i learn incorrect stuff i can blame esm 👍

[brazen vector]

[normal hedge]

+4,608 total life??

holyy

[split maple]

I am not a reliable source of information

[tranquil sedge]

ssf players who drop max rolled adorneds are expected to know the game 100%

-# and magebloods, and other t0 shit

[split maple]

I also droped a 23% one if that helps

[hexed mountain]

man ... scavenger looks so solid... but the double fork is calling

[split maple]

Wretched also isn't reliable source of magebloods

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-i-don't-hear-you-gif-9558280472791987858

[elfin shale]

Scav is only for hits anyway

[hexed mountain]

really ? pob is written as global not just hits

[normal hedge]

its not only for hits

its the same mod as cloak of flames

[split maple]

Oh the famous phys dots

That arent sirus

[hexed mountain]

yeah its globally not very important

[tranquil sedge]

this is scavenger right?

[hexed mountain]

but on pob its written damage taken as , not from hits

[normal hedge]

o

no

[hexed mountain]

on pob its not the same

[normal hedge]

thats the old version

they changed it

[marsh peak]

you can look at it on pob or on the wiki for a more accurate version

[gaunt totem]

Would you take say 10% attack speed over critical damage bonus on a quiver?

[split maple]

Yeah the announcement is linked to Phrecia prerelease

[tranquil sedge]

i took that image from the wiki lmao

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Scavenger_(ascendancy_class) so i guess this needs updating then

[marsh peak]

welp then the wiki is outdated

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[elfin shale]

Waow

[marsh peak]

then again they didn't do massive changes right so it's fine the way it is

[split maple]

Well you cannot expect People to update wiki for very common one-off event

[normal hedge]

yea

[elfin shale]

I think youd rather just go 20% Dawnbreaker right

[tranquil sedge]

no yea i understand, but its still funny that it baited me

[hexed mountain]

i like going cloak of flames over coil with scav anyway , not because its for dots too but because its all fire

[hexed mountain]

depends on build yeha

some rather give the amulet , some rather give the shield

[elfin shale]

If you go Dawnbreaker you can also go Cerberus Limb and get 500 ES from the thing

[hexed mountain]

dawnbreaker might be better in the end because its pure fire

halcyon is cold and i'm not a fan of the xoph's amulet

[elfin shale]

The Cerberus Limb node i mean

[hexed mountain]

yeah , probably a purely HC choice tho

[normal hedge]

you can use dawnbreaker +rakiata lethal pride xdd

[hexed mountain]

the void battery node is massive damage

(especially on wanders)

[elfin shale]

Damn i didnt consider that

You dont have to use 0 flat void battery

[hexed mountain]

for once my fusillade char is not going to be a glasscanon

[marsh peak]

average void battery user vs. average nycta's lantern enjoyer

[hexed mountain]

90% fire res 100% phys taken as fire

[marsh peak]

50% light radius 3rd lab is kind of a lot when you get double eclipse solaris

[hexed mountain]

do you get double eclipse tho

[marsh peak]

no

[hexed mountain]

havent seen one the whole league

[marsh peak]

but hypothetically

[elfin shale]

Yeah its funny that a useless mod the first time is now really really good

[hexed mountain]

shame they decided no fun allowed and made the wand giga rare

give us one league to toy with it

[hoary scarab]

does battlemage even work with ecplise? no right?

[hexed mountain]

no

[marsh peak]

and foulborn incandescent heart + hinekora sight work really nicely together for an early acc stacking angle

[hexed mountain]

battlemage never works on conditional

[brazen vector]

https://pobb.in/yZFLT6jue0ap

[hard cliff]

no thanks

[brazen vector]

I cooked it

[hard cliff]

šwap to burning arrow of vigouř

[brazen vector]

no

[normal hedge]

thanks for giving my league starter

[brazen vector]

good luck

[normal hedge]

thanks

[hexed mountain]

wait , dawnbreaker might be giga hard to fit in on fusillade scavenger

159str is a lot when you got no rings/amulet

[normal hedge]

inertia

and have fun

[hexed mountain]

i do get cloak over necrotic tho so i dont need much dex

[brazen vector]

The humble caspiro elegant hubris:

[hexed mountain]

lowkey yes

i would have to sac the charisma cluster though only place where i can put hubris

[brazen vector]

show pob

[hexed mountain]

https://pobb.in/VEW4w58FH6Qj

just grabbed my ascendant from keepers

no gear on

the tree is probably the same

[ebon tendon]

50 mirr build

Pfftt

[hexed mountain]

(foulborn unnatural in shadow area)

just grabbed it on another char

[jagged raven]

50 mirror u say? who in their right mind would farm 50mirr!!!

[normal hedge]

actually pob warrior

steelskin on

smh smh

[hexed mountain]

[brazen vector]

hmm, yea 3 spots I can find but youd need to sacrifice some stuffs

[hexed mountain]

least expensive is probably removing charisma and grabbing the 8% reduced reservation near CI

[blissful zodiac]

so

[hexed mountain]

in terms of value

[blissful zodiac]

flickerstrike wildspeaker back on the menu bois?

[brazen vector]

https://pobb.in/t5SzbAba7l7C if you dont need the mana regen per power charge I guess

hex master socket

[hexed mountain]

yeah but since i go void battery node that would be worse than losing charisma i think

[hard cliff]

What's the most forbidden Stacker?

[hexed mountain]

its just a remove charisma angle

evasion stacker

:^)

[brazen vector]

you can allocate a PC in the ranger area instead

[dim meadow]

what will you play for phrecia ?

[hexed mountain]

its already allocated

just not showing because i yoinked the foulborn unnatural

[brazen vector]

a

yea, rip charismo

[hexed mountain]

i had some leftover mana anyway

i will have to do the toggle tornado thing again to have a solid unused mana pool during mapping like i did on warden

spellslinger warp eats up mana like crazy

[normal hedge]

meh its not hard to get str, lethal pride rakiata on wind dancer slot gives you a lot

[whole bluff]

man, I didnt remember architect and puppeteer being so good

[hard cliff]

got over shadowed by the meme classes

[opaque wing]

They are much better in a world with bloodlines, they used to have some meh 4th ascendancy options for many builds.

[hexed mountain]

the coinflip class is a lot better too with keepers

[hard cliff]

you get free lucky on graft now

[hexed mountain]

yeah and you can stack a very nice amount of reversed res

you get to 75% inversion

[split maple]

Runegraft of treachery kinda handy too

And wasn't in og phrecia

[hexed mountain]

the class looks a lot less meme

[whole bluff]

so much fun and cool stuff, prolly cuz expectations after bloodlines everything looks giga powerful

[split maple]

Patchies incoming yea

[whole bluff]

true

[split maple]

Worstcase there is always flicker

[livid quarry]

im worried i wouldnt be able to get the items for my build in time

[whole bluff]

but like avian already gives "your minions have <all the bonuses>", so sharing the aspect with your minions on 300% effect is insane

then maybe some speakers wreath thing

[hard cliff]

you got this

LOCK ON

[livid quarry]

naw im not a true poe player

[hard cliff]

why not

[hexed mountain]

you dont do ubers day 1?

shame

[livid quarry]

dont find poe as fun

[hard cliff]

he is the uber

[dawn grail]

where can i list items for trade like the auction house?

[tranquil sedge]

for the 'auction house' style async trade, in merchant tabs at the npc faustus

-# and for in-person trade listings (not recommended for most items anymore), in premium stash tabs instead in your own stash

[tranquil sedge]

and u have to buy these tabs yes

[whole bluff]

man, phrecia stuff looks so fun I get inspired to get challenges on elementalist

lmao

yesterday I was gonna but I just fell asleep after school-thingy

[dawn grail]

but what's the difference like the premium stash vs npc merchant tab

[tranquil sedge]

merchant tabs are for asynchronous trade

u list item, someone else can buy item, u aren't required to be there

for premium tab they end up sending u a pm in the game, then u have to invite them, they gotta come to your hideout, you gotta trade and accept and its a headache

so for like 99% of items you would just rather use merchant.

[dawn grail]

but how it's " premium" ? lol

[split maple]

Bc basic doesn't even list stuff on tradesite

[tranquil sedge]

thats coz you have 'regular' and 'premium' stash tabs in the stash

[dawn grail]

i thought the reverse not like that

[tranquil sedge]

regular is just some plain old storage nothing more

premium is how we list items for sale before async got added, and also u can rename/recolor the tabs

now that 'merchant' tabs are a thing yes some of the value in premimum got lost but its still useful to be able to rename and color em so they're not entirely worthless

plus there are some items u would prefer to list there if you ever reach a point like that, e.g. items for mirror service
but that's few and far between

[dawn grail]

oh i see thanks so merchant tab thing is the auction house, i shouldn't use the website thing

[tranquil sedge]

website is an interface to browse items

there is also an interface in-game to browse items

but actually listing items is done in-game.

[dawn grail]

oh i see, that's why i couldn't list it's just like contact the lister

[tranquil sedge]

yea

[dawn grail]

oh i see

[tranquil sedge]

if its in a merchant tab then that button teleports u to the hideout

if its in a premium tab then it sends them a whisper instead

and ofc first option is way easier for everyone involved

[dawn grail]

oooh got it, will check the npc out thanks ^^

[tranquil sedge]

yea just start with like one tab

only buy more merch tabs if u actually end up listing that many items for sale

[dawn grail]

hes like in most cities?

[tranquil sedge]

invite him to your hideout

[dawn grail]

invite the npc?

[tranquil sedge]

yh

[dawn grail]

i don't think i have a hideout yet lol

[tranquil sedge]

you'll get one when you play the campaign

[proud gorge]

Act 2

[dawn grail]

okay i am still in the tutorial lol the act 1 thing

[tranquil sedge]

don't waste effort on thinking about trading items, especially selling items, until ur done with campaign

[dawn grail]

i don't think i reached act2 yet, oh btw that act progress is perm or per char? like i play in the current league

okay thanks

[tranquil sedge]

per char.

[dawn grail]

oh isn't that a bit like repeatitive? same map for each char etc you go through the same cycle i think

[proud gorge]

I mean, there's some things that you could potentially trade in campaign, but pretty late campaign. Usually people mainly trade in Chaos, so most uniques are going to have a minimum price of 1 chaos

[tranquil sedge]

yea but it gets a lot faster the second time onwards

[barren river]

it does not

[proud gorge]

so there's not much point in trying to trade until you have at least a few chaos

[barren river]

it's still 5 excruciating hours for me

5-8

[tranquil sedge]

kek

[mellow portal]

will I be able to do the KoTF challenges in Phrecia?

[dawn grail]

faster? you mean like i learned the game so i know what to do or the rates get a bit higher

[tranquil sedge]

if u take 8h in second run that needs fixin sir

but 5h i can believe sure

i take 4-5 on second run onwards

[proud gorge]

there's a few schools of thought on campaign. Some people hate it, some people like it, some people want to get it out of the way as fast as possible, some people like taking their time

[tranquil sedge]

its just a combination of reasons why it ends up not being much of an issue overall

[proud gorge]

some people enjoy the process of speedrunning campaign, even

[barren river]

i personally hate campaign

[dawn grail]

yeah well it's like mmo game anyways so no complain XD

[proud gorge]

I personally enjoy taking my time through campaign

and I run campaign lots of times since I also really enjoy rerolling

[cosmic reef]

Watching conversations like this is what honestly makes me want to dissasociate myself from the community.
The level of elitism is just...

[proud gorge]

but yeah, different strokes

[tranquil sedge]

when my first run is 9-10h and my second run has a mageblood and one hits every pack of course its going to be faster

[proud gorge]

a lot of campaign speed just comes down to learning little tricks, like learning layout indicators

[barren river]

i mean 5-8h first day

[tranquil sedge]

also i was pointing out that it was simply faster the second time around

[proud gorge]

also from not trying to full-clear every zone

[tranquil sedge]

when i said 8h was slow i meant for that dude obviously

not for everyone

[spare ore]

if you practice a little bit getting 5-6 hour runs isn't hard

[proud gorge]

if you full clear every zone you're usually going to end up massively overlevelled, so you're taking a huge xp penalty anyways

[tranquil sedge]

like logically yea who wants to run same campaign for each character? beyond speedrunners?

but realistically

• you have to level up somehow, may as well be a campaign

• you learn the layouts so it gets faster both with time and with gear

• first character at endgame provides money to 'twink' your second character to speedrun it better

• you learn the layouts/zones over time so you can semi-afk it to some extent

• and also its not that long yea

• and u its not like ur running it every single day, if u run ur first build for a few weeks then ur second campaign run is after a good long time lol it can be a change of pace from the hectic endgame

[proud gorge]

in secondary clears I usually just try to stay within about a level of the zone level, so if I'm a bit under I'll kill some more enemies, and if I'm a bit over I'll start ignoring enemies more

[tranquil sedge]

its not enough of a problem to stop most people making multiple builds every league

[split maple]

I am still happy with 7h on legstart

[proud gorge]

because yeah, trying to kill every enemy in every zone tends to be the real cause of slowdown in campaign

[tranquil sedge]

meanwhile im 1h per act chillin 😄

[proud gorge]

On leaguestart, I usually take it very slow, like, my first day is just Act 1

[hard cliff]

yes

[gray silo]

how is it possible for me to run determination and haste at the same time but not purity and determination at the same time in the same type of set up since they all have a 50% mana reserve

[proud gorge]

so I usually spend about 4-6 days levelling through acts

but that's just me

[split maple]

Do you have some determination has incr aura reservation efficiency or maybe aul ammy?

Usually on small cluster

[hard cliff]

you are a hero

[split maple]

Well haste I mean

[tranquil sedge]

if you have pob, in the 'calcs' tab you can see a breakdown of the mana reservation for everything you're using

[split maple]

• is it same item slot with same supports?

Some supports increase reservation needed

[spare ore]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-cat-chat-juju-juju-cat-gif-16905771

[tranquil sedge]

if the reservation % is different for different 50% auras then it just means different links or gear or stuff like that ^

[barren river]

i link everything to 2 enlightens tbh

[proud gorge]

honestly a big part of it is just that I prefer to wait until week 2 to start mapping, since by then usually a lot of the fixes have been deployed

and also I don't play for 10 hours on leaguestart lmao

or in general

[tranquil sedge]

u ever gonna try that out for fun tho?

the vibe is quite different

[proud gorge]

it's not really my jam

[gray silo]

i have effiencences yes but like i said i can run haste and determination if i remove haste and put in purity it woulnt work

[proud gorge]

I'm a relatively casual player, just one who likes getting deep into knowledge of things

[tranquil sedge]

check things like esm said, or link your build here for us to look at.

[split maple]

Well good luck with event 😄

That's like one third of it gone already

[proud gorge]

I'm probably not going to play RePhrecia, I'm really not a fan of the idol system

[hard cliff]

@proud gorge

[tranquil sedge]

maybe if u decide to go for a +1 power charge ring build at some point (or some other equally expensive chase items that inflate early and fast) you may try it one day 😄

[hard cliff]

dude hell yeah

[past mantle]

Give me those patch notes GGG.

I need to know if anything changed for my build.

[proud gorge]

maybe, but while I do hang out on this Discord, I'm definitely not as in-depth into PoE as some other people here. I'm more of a hopper

[tranquil sedge]

even if async takes away most of the headache of acquiring em? the level of juice with them is worth experiencing personally

its absolutely wild levels of fun

[split maple]

I am badly in patchies withdrawal too

[proud gorge]

I'll hop on a game, get really invested into it, play the heck out of it, then go play something else

[split maple]

Pls break my builds before I rly decide cmon

[past mantle]

Chat, rate my impossible escape usage.

[proud gorge]

PoE is just notable for being a game with sufficient depth that I keep coming back to it league after league

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[split maple]

Not taking Max res there is Just unethical

[frigid wedge]

come play unplayable builds w me

[past mantle]

It's chaos res.

[spare ore]

criminal

[tranquil sedge]

you have made a misshapen bowling ball

[past mantle]

Honestly 95% chance I'll end up taking it.

[tranquil sedge]

i rate it 🎳 out of 10

[past mantle]

It's a fairly decent value notable when you don't gotta path to it.

[split maple]

Sans you know all of the builds I Play slowly turn unplayable no matter how meta they be

[barren river]

I'm quite an idiot as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EtaH8bPtQw got this recommended

[hard cliff]

wth are you cooking

[past mantle]

GGG, let me have this.

I need it, I want it.

[gray silo]

i have an armor that gives 45 effiency etc i can put in determination and haste and they both work if i remove haste and put in purity its a no go purity woulnt work both the haste and purity gems are the same lvl it doesnt make sense

[hard cliff]

where it all began

[past mantle]

[proud gorge]

my issue with Idols wasn't really the trading aspect, it was the lack of a feeling of map-to-map progress to carry me through atlas completion. Back before the atlas tree, I usually spent most leagues repeatedly rerolling instead of mapping at all, since part of my enjoyment of PoE is the sense of progression, and that very much stalled when it came to atlas progression. So like, I'd level a character, use that character to completely maybe one tier of progression, then reroll another chatacter.

The atlas tree served very nicely to introduce a similar sense of map-to-map progression to the atlas completion progress, which really caused me to actually do atlas progression a lot more.

[frigid wedge]

woah sre u gonna play it for the event

[past mantle]

[frigid wedge]

wth

[proud gorge]

The idol system's main problem for me is just the lack of map-to-map progression

[tranquil sedge]

do you dislike the poe2 atlas implementation for the same reason too?

[frigid wedge]

why do you have 37k regen

[barren river]

I hate idols because they cannot be crafted with currency

[tranquil sedge]

understandable tbh

[proud gorge]

yeah, the Atlas Tree was honestly one of the best changes to PoE they ever made, and removing it in PoE2 for seemingly no reason is just wild

[past mantle]

You don't?

[barren river]

It feels so unpredictable tbh

[frigid wedge]

i hate idols because i dont get to put currency into my build before i make my set

[hard cliff]

yeah I agree with this

[past mantle]

There's another build I have that can self ramp about 800k regen due to self hitting that I've been putting off.

[barren river]

Also, imagine 70 life regenerated per minute

[past mantle]

This is actually entirely wrong on POB's end.

[hard cliff]

and a RF aoe the size of melee range lol

[past mantle]

It decided that all skills have a life cost for some reason lol.

[barren river]

I don't think that I've completed a map above t2 in phrecia

[proud gorge]

so yeah, Phrecia had the same problem for me as the pre-Atlas-tree atlas progression, where I just couldn't bring myself to actually do atlas progression without any sense of progression, as it just felt like a drag the entire time

so I just rerolled characters

[past mantle]

Tho there was a build I made that had 84k life cost for a skill.

[barren river]

sat in the sanctum grippy sock jail

[past mantle]

And then I made that 84k into like 700 cost.

Shout out to whispers CI.

[barren river]

I did not want to touch idols with a 10 metre pole

[past mantle]

[frigid wedge]

SAME

[past mantle]

That's a good amount of more.

[proud gorge]

I'd be a lot more down for Phrecia but also atlas tree, but tbh that's sort of what we have with Bloodlines anyways

[frigid wedge]

SHE JUST LIKE ME FRFR

[past mantle]

You know things are good when your build's looking nice and this is the kind of gear you're dealing with.

[proud gorge]

put a second implicit on there at least damn

[past mantle]

[frigid wedge]

is this just trauma w jugg

[past mantle]

Nah, this is for phrecia.

[hard cliff]

He's doing ranger minions

[past mantle]

I do have a trauma jugg.

[frigid wedge]

where us the regen from

[proud gorge]

ranger minions was definitely a fun build back in Phrecia though

Ranger Zoo

[past mantle]

I do have a funky build for trauma jugg.

[proud gorge]

only problem (for me at least) was it being very difficult to level as

[past mantle]

I really need to finish this build before end of league so I can make a video for it.

[proud gorge]

since you don't get the stats needed to actually equip any of your skill gems until you've done a big passive tree journey across the entire tree

[past mantle]

Wondering if I want to take time off work for the event.

[proud gorge]

in the end I ended up levelling Zoo Ranger with Supreme Ostentation

[barren river]

My status was literally "SanctumGrippySockJail"

[frigid wedge]

based

[proud gorge]

so that I could actually even use the skill gems, rather than being forced to level as a bow character until like Act 6

[frigid wedge]

this one, this is most relatable woman ive met

[barren river]

I don't even know if I should play Phrecia

[past mantle]

Phrecia is fun and idols won't be bad with async.

[cobalt blade]

its still gonna be pretty awful to price them tbf

[barren river]

After that, I always used "[Skill Name]GrippySockJail"(or STDGrippySockJail in my standard arcs)

[hard cliff]

what's the point of anything but t16 after you beat campaign in phrecia?

[past mantle]

Throw everything without synergystic mods into a 1d tab and let the combo gamblers buy them up.

[past mantle]

Wdym?

[spare ore]

hell yeah

[proud gorge]

there are technically idol slot unlocks for sufficient atlas completion progress, they're just ridiculously spaced out

[spare ore]

we love sanctum

[hard cliff]

what's the point? Just get idiols and go straight to t16 or you're losing money

[proud gorge]

you get a slot at, like, 1, 5, 10 maps, then it jumps up to like 50, then 100, then 118 or whatever

[cobalt blade]

115

[proud gorge]

or something like that

it's been a while

[past mantle]

You have to unlock slots for idols still, you start with like 5 and get like 24.

[tranquil sedge]

ur saying that as if that isn't the case in regular league too?

[barren river]

It was my first time playing sanctum, low life or mines

[proud gorge]

I just remember the idol slot unlocks being annoyingly ridiculously spaced out

[tranquil sedge]

like even in regular league u still are just rushing to t16 asap

[cobalt blade]

I remember one of the corners being nigh unuseable till you unlocked every slot

[tranquil sedge]

u only do low tier maps because ur stuck doing them on the way to t16s lol

phrecia didn't change that particular aspect

[hard cliff]

you still have to complete maps

[tranquil sedge]

you can complete them at any tier sir

[past mantle]

They were very end of mapping loaded.

[tranquil sedge]

completing a map at t16 will still give its completion bonus even if its a natural t1

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-mind-blowing-broken-mind-no-way-gif-11598907879309600373

[split maple]

i rly liked destructive plays already making sense in like yellow maps

best part of idols

[proud gorge]

and like a third of the slots were unlocked for beating pinnacles or invitations and such

[barren river]

there was t7 fuckery in affliction

[hard cliff]

every tier has its own maps

[tranquil sedge]

this doesn't matter

at all

[cobalt blade]

i really liked doing 25 king harby maps

[tranquil sedge]

you just complete the map that is all that matters the tier is irrelevant

[ocean field]

is 40-50K Evasion +20% block better than 25K evasion 60% block??

[tranquil sedge]

tiers can only get higher not lower

[past mantle]

All maps can be t16, you can complete them all in t16s.

[barren river]

you can(or could) do t7 exiles

[hard cliff]

that's actually insane

[barren river]

block>>>>>>>>evasion

[hard cliff]

I never knew that

[cobalt blade]

incorrect technically now if you get a t16 as a t1 it no longer gives the atlas point(kirac missions)

[past mantle]

Harbies with cooldown is something I missed, will give it a try.

[rancid sluice]

4 stones everything goes 16

[ocean field]

why tho

can I know the reason

[past mantle]

Block is spells and attacks.

[tranquil sedge]

rly? interesting

[barren river]

much more reliable

[cobalt blade]

yeh

[ocean field]

I am talking just about attack block here

[barren river]

go block

[past mantle]

Then evade.

[barren river]

evasion is doo doo trash cringe

[ocean field]

isn't evasion much more reliable since it is deterministic. In block u can get unlucky streak and get cooked

[cobalt blade]

block>evade if you can get above 50% otherwise id rather 80-90 evade

[ocean field]

oh

[tranquil sedge]

in practical gameplay this basically doesn't matter honestly

[past mantle]

Effectively the same for attack block and evade.

[cobalt blade]

^your mostly using it for smaller hits

[ocean field]

I see

[eternal hill]

Yes evasion can get to 95%, but most builds dont come close

[tranquil sedge]

of the 2 options you gave and u specified ur not talking about spell block included, yea i'd pick more evade too

and get some recovery to compensate

[eternal hill]

but yeah in practice it doesnt really matter

[proud gorge]

the main reasons are: Evasion is countered by enemy accuracy, so the more accurate enemies are, the less effective evasion you have, forcing you to build increasingly more evasion to actually matter. The other downside is that the effective dodge chance from evasion scales logarithmically with the evasion stat, so you need exponentially more evasion to achieve a certain attack dodge number.

[past mantle]

If you throw in spell block, block is better, otherwise not really much of a difference except evasion being easier to pick up from non-tree.

[eternal hill]

Block also gets the "on block recovery" which just makes it outright better

[barren river]

you only need evasion for fucking ghost dance

[proud gorge]

By comparison, block is always effective at its listed value, and enemies don't have "block chance reduction"

[tranquil sedge]

i suppose its worth asking if he has 100% spell suppression

[cobalt blade]

Tbf here running a single blind tattoo negates alot of the mob accuracy stuff

[proud gorge]

and on top of that, block gets more effective the more you have, rather than less

[tranquil sedge]

if he does maybe can consider the block + recovery on block option

[pulsar dune]

evasion is pretty good tbh

[ocean field]

I see thanks

[tranquil sedge]

do u have capped suppress?

[ocean field]

98%

[past mantle]

Evasion is perfectly fine as a defence if you're not expecting it to do something it doesn't say it does.

[proud gorge]

granted, there is a map mod that gives player reduced chance to block, but you can just not run that

[eternal hill]

If you are on right side of the tree, its quite easy to get some evade%, but solely relying on it will sometimes fail you

if you can get 50% evade, 50% atk block, that will feel quite tanky, until something goes through

[tranquil sedge]

if u cap ur suppress (fix that 2% sir or at least get lucky suppress chance on tree) then maybe the bigger block% option could be better here if you also get some recovery on block (because there's no reason not to when ur playing block)

[proud gorge]

and by comparison, some rare mobs just have "accurate" as a mod, which means they randomly get to just ignore a lot of your evasion chance

[past mantle]

Defo get that to 100%, would reocmmend foulborn perfect form with acrobatics replaced with ghost dance if you have the space for it.

[eternal hill]

Yeah their base accuracy is higher, thus reducing your %evade

[barren river]

i generally rely on block and blue life

[past mantle]

That's fine but it doesn't mean evade is bad.

[eternal hill]

it wont make it automatically hit

[ocean field]

I am in standard

[eternal hill]

but its noticeably chunk of accuracy

[ocean field]

😭

[past mantle]

Rip.

[tranquil sedge]

glazer
share a pob if u got one

[past mantle]

Foulborn perfect form gotta be one of my favourite generic items.

[ocean field]

one sec

[proud gorge]

it's always way worse to have your defenses randomly negated by a random rare mob mod than having them negated by a map mod, because one you can just choose not to run, while the other will sometimes just randomly and unstoppably show up in every map you run

[past mantle]

50% suppress, ghost dance, % eva per overcapped cold res, 3k eva.

[proud gorge]

which is why the reflect map mods still exist, but the reflect rare mod was removed

[merry agate]

Are we still gonna have bloodline ascendancies for phrecia?

[past mantle]

Yes.

[sleek barn]

ye

[tranquil sedge]

i get the logic but practically nobody really thinks about this for evasion ngl

[ocean field]

https://pobb.in/0Ew_6LNT0ROT

[merry agate]

Hmmm, antiquarian and olroth ward build maybe?

[past mantle]

You're trickster with a 5% on block shield.

You want block.

[ocean field]

yeah

[proud gorge]

fair, I just mean that as a comparison between block vs evasion, evasion is lessened by random rare mobs, while block is only lessened by an avoidable map mod

[sleek barn]

seems like its been mentioned multiple times already

could work

[proud gorge]

so that's another point in block's favor

[ocean field]

the issue is I have to get the increased chance to block on the shield

very hard with 2 shaper mods

or rather very expensive

[cobalt blade]

holy chance to shock mageblood flask

[past mantle]

Yes but also % goes higher for evasion.

[ocean field]

that and some jewels will get to to max block

[proud gorge]

evasion still has its uses, but block is just generally more reliable

[barren river]

who donated you that gear?

[proud gorge]

depends how you're playing it lmao

[tranquil sedge]

if he's already got a shield like this i think the play is to go for the higher block with lower evasion option

and also get a grace watcher's eye with +8% to evade chance or something

[ocean field]

last league one guy

[tranquil sedge]

his max hits with guard skills diabled are already good

[ocean field]

bro gave me a mirror worth of gear

[barren river]

:(

[cobalt blade]

your not really considering the investment to get block capped vs 80-90% ish evade

[ocean field]

the awakened multistrike all that stuff

[tranquil sedge]

and if he loses 20k evasion he only drops like 9% ish evade

[merry agate]

Is keepers going core, and/or foulborns?

At least for phrecia

[ocean field]

keeper must be sent to the void

[sleek barn]

phrecia is in keepers

thats the parent league

[ocean field]

wait will precia have new league start

[tranquil sedge]

it will be in phrecia because parent league of phrecia is keepers

as for whether it goes core/standard after 3.27 ends, we don't know.

[merry agate]

Ok sounds good

Yeah if keepers got some changes I think I'd prefer it to normal breach

[tranquil sedge]

yes. fresh start
but merges into keepers after.

[proud gorge]

I mean, yeah, but that higher investment is the cost for the more reliable defense. I'm just comparing the two in a vacuum, block vs evasion as a source of mitigation, while ignoring cost to reach certain values.

[elfin shale]

@sleek barn Dan am i cooking with Daughter of Oshabi two-handed Eblade

Alternatively im eyeing up Paladin Ignite or Poison

[proud gorge]

Though obviously it does also depend, like Glad hits block cap easily

[ocean field]

Hmmm

10x max ehp

[tranquil sedge]

do not look at ehp (effective hit pool) at all

it is a worthless stat

[cobalt blade]

ay but your gonna reduce your total amount of ES/int most likely getting said block so you cant really compare it in a true vacuum

[merry agate]

Like I don't want it replacing my monsters, I'd rather have the hive and the normal breach things

[tranquil sedge]

only look at actual recovery and actual max hits.

[sleek barn]

two handed eblade always sounds bad

[proud gorge]

glad needs like one block wheel to hit max block, and they're chilling

two if they also want to cap spell block

[ocean field]

I see

[elfin shale]

Its the only way to get a six link and scale damage with ES without a squire

[ocean field]

what is the easist way to get block

[proud gorge]

play a gladiator

[cobalt blade]

in the case of glad youve sacced your whole ascend :p

[tranquil sedge]

when you equip something like this it ends up screwing your effective hit pool number to the point that its useless

[ocean field]

oh

[proud gorge]

outside of that, just a good shield

[tranquil sedge]

in general that number is not very useful
and this just makes it even less useful

[cobalt blade]

tempest shield for 25% block spell block - pathing some block on tree and usually getting some rolled on shield

[sleek barn]

why daughter of oshabi?

[proud gorge]

a shield with good "increased chance to block" on it, and some wheels on the tree

[tranquil sedge]

im gonna go to bed gl with the build changes

[sleek barn]

defense notable?

[ocean field]

thanks bro

[ocean field]

I have done most of that

got tempest

can't get block on shield atm

[elfin shale]

Oath of The Maji yeah. 2500 base ES chest

Also gives 30% move speed, action speed cannot be modified below base, and immunity to elemental ailments with the Aul bloodline. Then you also have shrines for whatever else

[sleek barn]

i was wondering if you were going to do any spellslinger shenanigans lmao

[barren river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtISGgVpVw why ls :(

[gray silo]

a question about burtality gem. it prevents all elemental damage. ok no problem. i have two grafts one pyre and the other is stiltoutte . so in theory burtality should void both thoses but when im in game the graphics overlay shows both grafts so is it jusv showing the grahics for those two but still voiding the elemental damage

[sleek barn]

eblade + spellblade

cooking

[eternal hill]

Your brutality isnt linked to those grafts isnt it

[sleek barn]

grafts are not supported by Brutality

[eternal hill]

"the build"

[elfin shale]

I think im cooking i just dont know how to make it deal damage

[pulsar dune]

MSoZ?

[eternal hill]

just get more ES

[elfin shale]

Id rather die

[sleek barn]

i'll have to wait for pob to come out

[pulsar dune]

idk where your attack speed is, but shhh

[elfin shale]

https://pobb.in/OAnmi93La0Di

This is about where i gave up cuz i realized i had no idea what i was cooking lol

And also the pathing is AWFUL

[haughty gale]

Actually pog poe1 news for once

idols with async trade will be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better holy sht

[gray silo]

no they are my graft arms but heavy strike is linked to burtality yet wehen i use heavyvstrike i still see both grahic overlays for both grafts

[sleek barn]

like you still see the effects caused by your grafts?

they are still not supported by Brutality

[gray silo]

yes i see the e ffects just kinda figured it was showing the effects but not doing any actual damage

[sleek barn]

i mean some grafts just don't deal damage

i think both of the ones you mention do though

silhouette does

i forgot what pyre was

[gray silo]

is that correct if it where up to me id disable the effects grahics if they arent actuall doing anything heh

[sleek barn]

just because they don't deal damage doesn't mean they don't do anything

[gray silo]

pyre is fire stil is lightning

[sleek barn]

some are more defensive

silhouette spawns some lightning dude to explode on enemies

if you hover over the grafts you can see what skill it grants

graft skills are very isolated and don't get modified by much

what you see on the tooltip is what you get unless you factor in increased damage taken sources / res shred

[barren river]

[hard cliff]

it's loud af

[gray silo]

yeah the clone will damage enemies but stithouttee also creates a lightning effect o the ground. you can see the effect but no no idea if its actually doing any damage

[grizzled lily]

holy homecooked meal

[gray silo]

same for pyre it creates three pillars flame that u can see but noidea if its doiong any damage

[clear summit]

Daily reminder, second ritual of league LMAO

[elfin shale]

Shocked Ground doesnt deal damage

It applies Shock

[buoyant jungle]

https://x.com/pathofexile/status/2013686854063718906

Path of Exile (@pathofexile)

@Fubgun These additional modifiers will add their effects like quantity, rarity, and pack size as usual. However, they won't scale with map mod effect due to the order they are applied in.

X · Jan 20, 2026, 6:55 PM

GOOD NEWS

[elfin shale]

Oh log in

[elfin shale]

I think i burnt it

[sleek barn]

the ground you see is shocked ground, which makes enemies take increased damage

[icy swan]

@sleek barn

[sleek barn]

whats up berth

[sleek barn]

the pyre tornadoes are supposed to do damage, but I would argue that the main purpose is to apply Ash to enemies, which increases the fire damage they take

[plush gulch]

the main purpose is having a fun levelling campaign run

[sleek barn]

yes there are various effects that are purely visual in poe, but if you don't want your game to have 50000 effects on your screen at all times poe is not it lol

[plush gulch]

😎

amazing ability

[gray silo]

stilhoutte says it does 4k to 36k lightning damage is that the clonedoing that damage or the ground

[plush gulch]

i wonder how do these graft scale in endgame

[sleek barn]

clone explosion

the ground does not deal damage

[plush gulch]

I can't imagine something like that even scaling okay

[gray silo]

ok

[pulsar dune]

I think woespike memes can use the phys graft

but largely it's just the buffs

[plush gulch]

i just switched from pohx league and lost all my atlas progreession and stuff in my stash

so I quit

[sleek barn]

this be how it scaling

[plush gulch]

I just finished my progression

im gonna come back for phrecia

[plush gulch]

that look like big number

[sleek barn]

it big number

but also big cooldown

[plush gulch]

does it work with anythijng on our gear

or tree

[sleek barn]

it works with increased damage taken

[plush gulch]

let's go harbinger ascendancy

give 30% cdr

:p

[crystal talon]

u can do some funny memes with grafts, but for most content it is kinda meme

[sleek barn]

idt they're affected by that

[green patrol]

You think spectral wolves from wildspeaker and spectral tigers from farrul share minion slots?

[crystal talon]

Main use case endgame is like some valdo's maps

[sleek barn]

i just use grafts for increased minion duration and damage

its nice

• sap and lucky hits

[tranquil geyser]

how do you scale spider damage in arakaali ascendancy?

[plush gulch]

i used it to help me with attribute, defensive cooldown

and some minions for bodblock

[hexed mountain]

for most content its heart of flame and a more attack damage or lucky damage graft tbh

[eternal hill]

You don't, they just run out of oomph later down the line

[hexed mountain]

the shield when you inflict exposure one can be really good too

[plush gulch]

what are good build to avoid all mods

?

[eternal hill]

They are really strong tho, but it stops carrying

[sleek barn]

something something ES

[plush gulch]

since we will have more mods to kill us

or brick us

[split pagoda]

if you use right grafts with right mods they deal aton of dmg tbh

even to ubers

[normal hedge]

ggg said theres no brick mods

by that i'm assuming they're saying reflect only lol

[sleek barn]

surely no reduced ES recovery or whatever

[plush gulch]

if you get less regeneration mod and that's your only recover

[eternal hill]

No leech no regen no recovery

[gray silo]

so basically stilhoutte isnt all that great since the it only makes one clone who only appears sometimes

[plush gulch]

you kinda brick

[sleek barn]

or reduced block chance???

[split pagoda]

like if you put a good seize the flesh graft on ur slammer or build that uses warcries you can easily double your damage or more

[sleek barn]

all grafts are situational

[split pagoda]

that one deals tons of dmg

[plush gulch]

the phys graft looks very good

for slam and stuff

[eternal hill]

Lightning DMG lucky graft is strong

[sleek barn]

yeah radiant ground is nice

but if you're a new player don't worry about it

[pulsar dune]

hm, sanquine power is actually really strong, huh, that's like a kaoms but with sockets in the chest alone

[sleek barn]

just have fun with them

use whatever you find and go "woah thats cool!"

[split pagoda]

breachlord ascendancy is what really takes grafts to the next level

alot of builds take that node anyway for the less dmg taken

[sleek barn]

if you think "well thats lame" GGG has failed you

[golden phoenix]

Fewer brick mods

[sleek barn]

joever

[gray silo]

my pyre works any time i swing but with burtality it isnt doingbany damage fudge nuts it just has cool graphics

[sleek barn]

Lily is going to brick my build specifically

[normal hedge]

thanks lily

hi guys dont play poison/bleed/ignite builds

[pulsar dune]

fuck

[plush gulch]

why

oh

avoid element

[pulsar dune]

yea they're 100% putting avoid in there

[plush gulch]

what about poison

[pulsar dune]

welp, no BAoV for me

[plush gulch]

though

it's not elemental

[normal hedge]

theres avoid poison aswell

[sleek barn]

poison also has avoid

[golden phoenix]

I don't know which mods were removed to be clear

[sleek barn]

all of those have avoid

[thick goblet]

lily would it be possible to track total amount of gold spent buying idols on async, i think that could be a cool stat

[sleek barn]

new merchant npc in hideout

just tracks idols bought

[thick goblet]

like across all players

[plush gulch]

i guess they will probably remove those

[golden phoenix]

That data is being tracked yes

[plush gulch]

lily is working

[golden phoenix]

All trades of all types are tracked at all times

[plush gulch]

so if someone scam me you can find his house and send some mercenary troops ?

finally a company that care about it's customers

[golden phoenix]

No but I can see the trade

[livid quarry]

they probably just laugh

[plush gulch]

😔

if I was ggg i would ban anyone that does malicious stuff

no mercy

[sleek barn]

it'd be cool if we get a little graphic for stats at the end of phrecia 2.0 like the arc raiders cold snap graphic

[plush gulch]

you know like the guy having an entire tab full of tablet so you miss click, you know what you are doing, everyone know what you are doing now let's call some random russian mercenary company to get ya

[molten zephyr]

just tell players "don't get scammed noob"

[golden phoenix]

I love doing stats posts like that but they take time and I'm a busy data witch

[tranquil sedge]

i think quite a few games do that
like runescape's 'year in restrospective' or whatever its called 😄

[tranquil sedge]

-# wdym busy surely its just one line of prompt to chatgpt right how could that possibly go wrong

[sleek barn]

everyone does a Spotify wrapped nowadays tbf

[golden phoenix]

I'm a data team of one, gotta hire more people to have time for the fun and not just the important

[normal hedge]

Lily, is it possible to track how much gold has been spent on recombining idols?

[tranquil sedge]

how do we apply
i know my times tables all the way up to 2 times 3 equals 6

am i qualified

[plush gulch]

we need some stats how many were banned, how many did rmt and got banned 😎 public execution

everyone bring a torch

[molten zephyr]

rmt isn't getting banned

[sleek barn]

beheading RAAAAH

[molten zephyr]

fubgun and sushi play the game 24/7

[plush gulch]

I thoguht it was

[normal hedge]

nice copy pasta

[molten zephyr]

and 20 other streamers

[tranquil sedge]

he's either joking or he's a troll

realistically probably a troll

[normal hedge]

yeah all streamers are rmting

even ziz in hc and ben in ssf

ban all of them

[molten zephyr]

am i wrong?

[normal hedge]

yes

[molten zephyr]

i thought its common knowledge

[tranquil sedge]

ur also an idiot if it helps

[plush gulch]

he just said fubgun and sushi

that's two

not all

[molten zephyr]

xd

[golden phoenix]

Don't think I've got any tracking on recomb costs

[plush gulch]

20 other

nevermind

[molten zephyr]

i mean all it takes is tuning in to one league start stream

[plush gulch]

that's a lot

[molten zephyr]

20 was a random number i came up with

[tranquil sedge]

the guy is an idiot man

those people aren't rmting

[molten zephyr]

the random guys buying le heups for 1 mirror isn't suspicious to you?

[buoyant jungle]

Does the data team also know about upcoming league content? 👀

[tranquil sedge]

if you want rmters there are any number of easy actual rmters like i've literally seen multiple random users in here say they rmt

[plush gulch]

i just remember having a website showing very weird gear progression

[normal hedge]

fub literally plays for 48 hours and buy a hh farming legion every single league since 15 leagues ago, and he does it on stream, but peopl like that guy thinks hes rmting to buy it

[plush gulch]

obviously I don't think fubgun rmt, i don't see why any viewer of him would buy anything he touches for hundreds of div

[tranquil sedge]

im an idiot at this game and even i could make multiple mirrors in week 1 if i actually played long enough

and the people u named are way better than me and they play way longer

ofc they make bank

[plush gulch]

also they get given a lot of stuff

[molten zephyr]

that has nothing to do with my question xd

[split pagoda]

i dont think alot of people are actually getting banned for rmt but thinking tons of streamers rmt is stupid lol

[molten zephyr]

cant expect poe player to be able to read mb

[tranquil sedge]

ur question is pointless unless you provide evidence

you are the one who's making accusations

its on you to provide proof of rmt.

[molten zephyr]

i guess you don't watch the clips, nvm

[tranquil sedge]

and randomly accusing people of a bannable offence is a pretty cringe as fuck look

[ebon tendon]

yes and yes

[tranquil sedge]

just be jealous forever dude instead of getting better

im sure that's healthy

[normal hedge]

watch the clips bro

xd

xd

[whole bluff]

I just spent like 15 minutes killing an incorrectly map modded Drox

[thick goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-gif-9578947274896178319

[tranquil sedge]

ecks dee

[tranquil sedge]

what was the loot

[molten zephyr]

i have nothign to be jealous of lol you're just toxic

[whole bluff]

The map was my only strongbox map, for challenge. Loot was 2 Brother's Gift

[pulsar dune]

it's fucking poe, RMT makes sense if you want to play flicker or cyclone or smth, but fubgun is playing whatever the meta mapblaster is

[plush gulch]

@molten zephyrwhy do you think they rmt btw

[tranquil sedge]

may i offer you a chocolate in these trying times?

[whole bluff]

this will suffice

[plush gulch]

if you explain no need for such tension

[tranquil sedge]

if he could explain he already would have lol

[normal hedge]

hes about to say watch the clips

again

[molten zephyr]

i was referring to the guy buying leheup for 1 mirror from fubgun in 3.27 since the guy said i don't have proof

[plush gulch]

me im curious

[molten zephyr]

that wouldve been my proof

which is a clip on youtube

everybody could watch it if they cared

[plush gulch]

oh this

yeah they get given lot of stuff

no need for rmt

you can argue it's the same

[molten zephyr]

but maybe im wrong and it was some friendly trade made for content

[split pagoda]

people give streamers stuff all the time

[tranquil sedge]

(its not)

[molten zephyr]

isn't that illegal?

[split pagoda]

its super easy to look at their account on trade and buy items they have listed aswell

to make it less obvious

[tranquil sedge]

its not illegal to give people shit lmao

[normal hedge]

so u're saying empy rmts aswell

[split pagoda]

doesnt mean its rmt

[plush gulch]

trading stuff outside of the game for stuff in game

like attention

[molten zephyr]

no?

[tranquil sedge]

yea that's not rmt

[opaque wing]

Nothing explicitly no, it just is a gray area that has been acted upon before.

[crystal talon]

yes it is. im call on da police on u

[normal hedge]

ofc u are, u're saying people giving streamer stuff = rmt

[tranquil sedge]

uwu

[plush gulch]

chris said it's as bad didn't he

[normal hedge]

end every league empy gets 100+ mirrors out of donations

[crystal talon]

to the diddy block with you

[molten zephyr]

i guess it's only illegal if a streamer is giving away stuff then

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-k-on-no-nope-scared-gif-6504086

[whole bluff]

It's against ToS for streamers to give you stuff, because technically you're giving the streamer something of IRL value (attention and view count)

[molten zephyr]

ye right

[pulsar dune]

yea, giveaways are considered RMT (except GGG allowed it recently in one specific instance)

[sleek barn]

i remember that

[plush gulch]

line is blurry for sure

[sleek barn]

that was weird

[whole bluff]

Which made no sense iirc

[plush gulch]

at one point it's too much

which*

[tranquil sedge]

its really weird that they do the opposite though ngl with the whole 'sub or gift subs to your streamers for in-game cosmetic rewards' at leaguestart and stuff

[sleek barn]

wasn't it like a mirror for a subscription or whatever

[whole bluff]

They should just not have allowed it

[plush gulch]

i hate this

[molten zephyr]

thats a cosmetic

[sleek barn]

i think thats alright bc its just cosmetic

[molten zephyr]

has 0 impact on the game

[sleek barn]

overall twitch drops like that should be done

just increases viewership i suppose

gives me something to put in the background while im working

[plush gulch]

but people care about cosmetics and free stuff you can't say it doesn't matter at all

[molten zephyr]

chris wilson said in one of his recent videos that those rules against giveaways and stuff is to protect the economy

[whole bluff]

I prefer twitch drops to streamer queue

[tranquil sedge]

like, its not about money because they could easily just sell the same cosmetic for the same or less money in game

but its definitely weird

[plush gulch]

if people care about it, it matter imo

at least I do

me I don't want to boot twitch when I want to play poe

[sleek barn]

yeah i suppose its a fomo thing again

[molten zephyr]

ofc they want ppl to watch the streamers cause it boosts stats on different websites

[sleek barn]

tbf half the shit i get from twitch drops is pretty ass

[molten zephyr]

it puts poe higher up in the directory on twitch

[sleek barn]

i got purple eyes from amazon prime before

thats about it

[tranquil sedge]

question
if you have points in the mtx store
and you email support to tell support 'hey i have X amount of points can you please transfer some of my points to my friend <user>'

do they entertain those requests?

[sleek barn]

no wait it was purple eyes and a purple hood

[sleek barn]

probably not without good reason

but then again, good reason is subjective

[plush gulch]

they need a note from your parents

[whole bluff]

I get that they wanna make the league start experience "enriched" by "force"/reward at its most hype, but I would prefer if streamer queues etc were not a thing in live economy

[tranquil sedge]

coz this would be a similar scenario right

[normal hedge]

yes

[opaque wing]

I've never heard of point transfers, but they have taken points out of one account and granted another account something equal to said points, like buying another account tabs before.

[sleek barn]

they need your birth certificate

[tranquil sedge]

except in this case i'm asking instead of GGG offering

[normal hedge]

oh

the points idk, but a mtx yes

[plush gulch]

you should ask they are friendly and helpful

they will answer it

[tranquil sedge]

okay so fine mtx then

[plush gulch]

either way

[tranquil sedge]

so i could 'pay' someone in mtx for something else they do for me

like sub to a stream

if support does transfers like that

[thick goblet]

i think you can usually buy people mtx gifts but not transfer raw points

[tranquil sedge]

kinda similar to the whole thing i said at the start except with more steps inbetween

[plush gulch]

what if it's medium well

[sleek barn]

i mean its conceptually a real money trasaction

[tranquil sedge]

yea

[plush gulch]

or well done

[tranquil sedge]

ggg support is definitely 10/10

[sleek barn]

they probably draw the line where someone gifts someone an mtx in exchange for in game currency like 500 divines

[plush gulch]

how ther hell would we know anyway

[sleek barn]

exactly

[plush gulch]

you just have to ask them

[sleek barn]

so like

[plush gulch]

they'll tell you

😎

[sleek barn]

believe in humanity

i don't

well maybe sometimes

[whole bluff]

I don't know what to think of humanity tbh

I think most people wanna be good

[rancid sluice]

if someone wants to come clean the cat box in exchange for this VERY rare weta pet, hit me up. quietly.

[tranquil sedge]

most people will follow rules and whatever those rules are is what decides 'good'

thats about as much as you can expect on average from anybody

ofc there are people who will be nicer than average and worse than average but on the whole its meh

[plush gulch]

i don't think most people want to be good I think they lack the awareness to think outside of themselves

[whole bluff]

We are a social species at least. Thumbs up for that

[plush gulch]

I think most people are too stupid to even try to be good

[tranquil sedge]

i think the collective intelligence of an average group of people is inversely proportional to how big it is
and most of that is because of exactly what brillianty just said ^

most people are stupid

most people are incapable of thinking beyond themselves and the immedidate

[plush gulch]

but i don't think it's malicious just negative iq like they can't do it not they don't want to

[stuck phoenix]

Of course not

[plush gulch]

we were talking about if discord mod were good or not

people are pretty mean

im joking btw

[tranquil sedge]

even if that's the case, does it really matter if it comes about through ineptitude or through malicious intent if the net result is a negative?

[plush gulch]

just talking about people

[stuck phoenix]

Rmt is against the tos and will get you banned. Do not spread misinformation or else

[crystal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-lies-lie-internet-lie-stop-lying-gif-16106191074125891844

[tranquil sedge]

probably could make an argument for willful ignorance/stupidity being as bad as deliberately being bad too

[plush gulch]

it's not lie they think it

[eternal hill]

Pretty sure there was some stipulation to those item donos as a public persona

[plush gulch]

believe*

[stuck phoenix]

Did I say lie

[eternal hill]

Cant remember what it was about

[plush gulch]

not you

[stuck phoenix]

Oh

Fair enough

[plush gulch]

but I didn't felt what he did was that bad

[stuck phoenix]

Allegations that rmt won't get you banned is not ok

[eternal hill]

Or was it when situation was reversed, IE streamer cant do sub only item raffling

[stuck phoenix]

Because that is promoting rmt

Which is against the rules

[plush gulch]

oh he felt some people that did it were never banned but I can see your point

[stuck phoenix]

He can speculate all he wants

[plush gulch]

that yes some people can read this and go ahead

thinking let's go

[stuck phoenix]

There's a reason I replied to the message I did

[eternal hill]

reading - poe player

you are set up for a failure

[plush gulch]

there are so many stuff in the game you can't read everything

btw I played a game you had two books to read per small map

it was insane

I started to skip them

crazy

Pillar of eternity

[tranquil sedge]

there are people who would have slipped through the cracks
but it doesn't change that rmt is against rules and you do get banned for it (and missed bans would be the exception, not the rule)

[plush gulch]

me I remember hearing about the website that showed very weird build progression/streamer that purposefully disabled the fact you can see the gear for a small period of time and bim they got insane gear

that's kinda all I remember about this

[tranquil sedge]

i remember that

[plush gulch]

rmt thing

[tranquil sedge]

is that fun in 2026

steam reviews are generally positive looks like

[plush gulch]

definitely not my favorite c rpg

too much reading

too many book

combat system isn't my favorite

except that it's great

[tranquil sedge]

i installed divinity original sin (enhanced edition) on my pc a week ago
im yet to try it out lol

after that i've got original sin 2 and baldur's gate 3 to play (whenever that happens)

[elfin shale]

PoE is okay

[plush gulch]

I prefer pathfinder kingmaker or pathfinder wrath of the righetous

way more

or even rogue trader c rpg about warhammer 40k

I learned about this universe

because of the game

insane stuff

so dark

[hard cliff]

Balders gate is trash but divinity 1 and 2 are really good

good luck playing an 80 hour crpg with someone though

[tranquil sedge]

i keep telling myself i'll start reading warhammer 40k books at some point

[hard cliff]

😔

[tranquil sedge]

that point keeps getting postponed

[tranquil sedge]

i haven't played divinity 1 yet coz im waiting for free time for me and my brother to align LOL

i wanna play it w/ him

[hard cliff]

DM me if you want any suggestions

[eternal hill]

eh adridic will summarize it

[plush gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZmC9a3P3YI look at this game

you will like it

i hope

[hard cliff]

good choice party play is not required but it's def built with it in mind

[tranquil sedge]

will watch

[eternal hill]

Fextra 🤢

[tranquil sedge]

who dat

[eternal hill]

Adeptus Ridic

[hard cliff]

I think it's a fetish community

iirc

[tranquil sedge]

ye im not going to play it more than once for sure, so i wanna try coop directly

[eternal hill]

Bricky and DKDiam hosted podcast

[plush gulch]

yeah but just to showcase the game it's alright some basic pro cons stuff

[eternal hill]

Fextra can go fuck themselves for breaking NDA

and all their scummy practices over the years

[plush gulch]

oh

[eternal hill]

like embedding invisible ads in their wiki site

[tranquil sedge]

sure send me a starting point happy to try it out

i watched the entire in-game cutscene compilation for the wh40k space marine 2 game on youtube, it was fun

[eternal hill]

and viewbotting their twitch stream via same platform

[tranquil sedge]

yea the f in fextra stands for fuck them

[plush gulch]

I don't know if everyone there is bad