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fickle glen
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Did

crisp plinth
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Doesn't crit toll ACC again?

tranquil sedge
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so yea adding flat is good but you still have to scale all the usual vectors

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like %inc and %more and whatever

crisp plinth
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As in if you're below 100% it can turn a crit into a noncrit

gritty epoch
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Missing double/triple damage, pen, resist etc

tranquil sedge
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ye i assume it was just to keep it a bit simple

pulsar dune
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Click precise technique

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Unless you're doing something unique

wintry lily
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PT BM CI wokecato

tranquil sedge
wintry lily
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In addition to its role in hitting, accuracy is checked a second time when attack hits attempt to deal a critical strike. Failing this accuracy check will cause a hit with sufficient critical strike chance to become a regular hit. This does not affect critical strikes by spells.

fickle glen
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I can burning arrow being very powerful with snipe

wintry lily
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It basically becomes a 2nd roll of accuracy

fickle glen
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I might try that build with a good bow

wintry lily
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Barrow Snipe sadHamster

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He's a few leagues too late

pulsar dune
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Barrow snipe is probably real enough, just have to ignite.

tranquil sedge
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is the math for the first step and third step the same or different?

fickle glen
wintry lily
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I'd assume the sentence is

  1. Hit miss
  2. Roll critical strike chance
  3. It lands
  4. Treated as normal hit instead
pulsar dune
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Crit builds effectively just have unlucky hit chance

tranquil sedge
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if its the same then as long as u have 100% hitchance and crit chance you will always crit then, no?

grizzled lily
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trans burning arrow life stacker LOGIN

tranquil sedge
crisp plinth
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I kinda miss dot builds on bow chars

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Bleed bow and ice shit ignite was so nice

wintry lily
fickle glen
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Ranger have been the most fun class I played so far, witch was my fav until ranger

crisp plinth
fickle glen
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Dead eye

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BECAUSE SPEED IS POWERRRR!

tired hearth
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are we having gauntlet poe1? (keepers)

brazen vector
fickle glen
brazen vector
fickle glen
frigid wedge
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no

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perfect bow for burning arrow is most likely to be a widowhail

pulsar dune
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It's probably not actually that bad, level 30 immolate is a decent amount of flat fire.

frigid wedge
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or a high phys bow

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yeah but its def not best

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its ok

fickle glen
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Hmmmm

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I trust you Sanshoto

frigid wedge
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you dont need a bow with convert regardless tho

barren river
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go widowhail

frigid wedge
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bc burning arrow has 100% convert

brazen vector
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You dont want a unique unless you go widowhail

frigid wedge
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if ur burning arrow u realistically want as much available dot multi as u can get

wintry lily
pulsar dune
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Oh yea, I should learn the mechanics of SA at some point

frigid wedge
frigid wedge
wintry lily
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and unlike snipe, leaves pods that explode thorns

brazen vector
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Scourge awwooo of menace totems my beloved

frigid wedge
wintry lily
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those thorns can return

pulsar dune
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Yea, it's like a 3 stage process of firing projectiles, no?

wintry lily
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much like the alternative hexblast

fickle glen
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I tried the transfigured scourge with returning projectile, didn’t like the frames drop

frigid wedge
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the mechanic of scourge is 1 thorn arrow per pod from each primary arrow can collide with a target

fickle glen
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You need like a powerful pc to run with build

frigid wedge
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not rlly

fickle glen
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Well these consoles are just garbage then

frigid wedge
brazen vector
pulsar dune
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Ah, so you go for a bunch of proj and shotgun?

frigid wedge
pulsar dune
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I see I see

frigid wedge
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u go returns

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iirc u need minimum 55% projectile speed for ur arrows to actually manage it tho

pulsar dune
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How does it compare to tornado shot?

fickle glen
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I used barrage with it

wintry lily
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Ignore the boss thats not dying (avoid poison and block lmao)

frigid wedge
fickle glen
frigid wedge
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can technically run phys as extra but u need overconvert

wintry lily
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Its with a 4060 and R5 5600

frigid wedge
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bc poe is poorly optimised and so are consoles

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my old ps4 sounded like a space shuttle while playing sonic forces

brazen vector
wintry lily
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Tbf, it's astonishingly playable for what it is

frigid wedge
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:P

wintry lily
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MHwilds meanwhile struggles to have frame rate

wintry lily
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Lepoch looks like its from 2010

brazen vector
wintry lily
frigid wedge
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lemme grab my warden

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here

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shit went brrt

wintry lily
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It really is just a worse ts

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lmao

frigid wedge
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ehhh

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debatable

brazen vector
frigid wedge
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poop

frigid wedge
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better than tornado shot

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it has better area coverage

barren river
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also, what build uses stasis prison now?

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it's such a cool item

wintry lily
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tbf, ts coverage is poor to begin with

frigid wedge
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the only reason ts is preferable is ppl use it with chains

wintry lily
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and they had to nerf it again

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to need proj speed

pulsar dune
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But just for the debuff expiry

wintry lily
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If you don't want to aim (ts needs aim), then yeah menace works fine

barren river
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do you go pf and the all damage poisons variant?

pulsar dune
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I think champ fort is the one I saw

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Perseverance for %, and then idk, impale and phys weapon for flat IG

frigid wedge
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the only real issues with scourge arrow are that it chaos converts and u gotta stand close

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otherwise it's a more effective skill than tornado shot with similar scaling metric

pulsar dune
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IG I should try running it instead of ts on strstack hm

frigid wedge
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u got nimis?

pulsar dune
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No

frigid wedge
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kinda need

pulsar dune
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Ah rip

frigid wedge
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return support is useless

wintry lily
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As much as I'd like to play various skills nowadays, my hands protests to such builds nowadays

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So im forced to play ballista builds

pulsar dune
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Another skill foiled by 1% Uber drop

wintry lily
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or 1 button builds

frigid wedge
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wouldnt need nimis if returning proj support didn't have a like 80% penalty

pulsar dune
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I'll just be Sabo lel

karmic gust
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nimis with menace sucks because it ruins your pod overlaps

wintry lily
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talking about sarrow summons db

karmic gust
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trying to find my screenshot for it

frigid wedge
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ur less likely to hit half ur arrows on the boss if they go in random directions

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but u just get proj speed and the issue is fixed

karmic gust
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no it also ruins pod spread

frigid wedge
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spread doesn't matter if ur standing on the mob

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totems are a diff story

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if u play it like a bow build

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nimis is excellent

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but for your build i agree it is poor choice

karmic gust
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it does matter because by default all of the pods hit with menace if you position correctly. with nimis the outgoing no longer all hit

frigid wedge
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the incoming do though

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so like

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it works

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all pods hit anyways

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they just hit at the same point

karmic gust
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yea so you arent getting much damage out of it might as well just use returning projs instead

frigid wedge
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i prefer selective positioning of my dps

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to having to pay attention to where im firing to make sure my primary arrows dont hit things

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and positioning

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if they all return i can just stand on whatever i want to kill

karmic gust
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nimis requires more positioning than not having nimis

frigid wedge
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yes but not cursor positioning

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rather position my character than my mouse

fickle glen
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Servers are so bad right now it keeps disconnecting me

karmic gust
fickle glen
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And only when I enter map…

karmic gust
barren river
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what build?

frigid wedge
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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my scourge was in settlers anyways

karmic gust
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pretty much every uber except exarch teleports

frigid wedge
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but friend of mine is an la enjoyer and scourge was smth he has been trying recently and it was far more effective

frigid wedge
barren river
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y tho?

frigid wedge
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regardless of how the mechanics work

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bc if im doing ubers id rather take smth comfortable for it

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and i have like 6 characters in settlers

barren river
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tbf, bow builds are kind of trash for bossing

frigid wedge
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one of which was zenith

frigid wedge
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so like

karmic gust
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bows can get enough damage to do ubers pretty comfortably

frigid wedge
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why would i

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yeah, doesnt mean i want to

karmic gust
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if ppl can boss with wands and bows do like 3 times the damage

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then surely do not sounds very hard

frigid wedge
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bows are 4x squishier

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and wander setups built to use hh

wintry lily
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Clearly not enough flask addiction

frigid wedge
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cannot boss

karmic gust
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outside of mana kboc wands have no defenses

frigid wedge
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compared to the 12k max hits or whatever that had

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but u seem to be ignoring the fact its build for headhunter usage

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and not built to be an all rounder

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ur sa totems and the sa i played are made for different purposes

karmic gust
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im not ignoring it, you only brought it up after i mentioned stuff that actually moves

frigid wedge
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it did juiced titanic blight

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so idrc

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either way

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:P

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it did its job

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and it did it well

shadow pulsar
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Does anyone play on steamdeck?
Simulacrums absolutely freeze it and I was hoping there are some settings I could change or something to make it possible.

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Done all the regular stuff like turn shadows and bloom as low as they'll go

grizzled lily
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is this the wrong base for pbrand

frigid wedge
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u want an archdemon crown

grizzled lily
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fuark

frigid wedge
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its prob useable

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i just wouldn't drop big money if u dont intend to resell

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and flat cold doesnt help much

tranquil sedge
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not like they can follow you around

grizzled lily
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damn these are really expensive should i learn how to make one myself

wintry lily
tranquil sedge
tranquil sedge
wintry lily
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1 ballista depending on the map clears a screens worth

grizzled lily
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to pull the difference closer

tranquil sedge
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pob it then i mean

frigid wedge
wintry lily
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Generally at least my hand prefers low holding up time + medium amounts of spam atm

frigid wedge
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conc effect just sucks to get

split maple
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Conc effect at least you cannot brick

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Rolling that 1% attack crit on reforge crit tho

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Hurts 😄

frigid wedge
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lul

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reforge cold hit one for me once

whole bluff
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Hmm. Archdemon crown doesn't have a defence tag implicit right? So it's easy to make one for foulborn utulas?

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Or not harder than anything else at least

whole bluff
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Just gem lvls

tranquil sedge
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it has the usual defence prefixes and suffixes tho for an es item

whole bluff
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That's no problem I think

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I wonder though, maybe blizzard crown would be better for elementalist spellslinger double ignite (flame surge of combusting + something)

tranquil sedge
whole bluff
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Foulborn

tranquil sedge
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yes even that

whole bluff
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It's better than what I currently have

tranquil sedge
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ig but even a casual twilight regalia is gonna push 1k es no problem

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and up to 1.2k+ if u make it rly good rolls + an enchant

(and also a t1/essence int roll)

whole bluff
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Utulas lets you focus your other pieces on other things

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Dual wield wands

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Make a 7L helm

proud gorge
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alright, so I've come to the conclusion that this Lightning Conduit build would probably be better if fully reworked into an ES build, instead of having Evasion crammed into it for some reason

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but on the other hand that is a lot more significant of a rework of the entire build than I'm particularly capable of

tranquil sedge
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got some in-progress pob to look at ?

whole bluff
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I got 2k evasion in town, 30k in maps

proud gorge
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sure, but it's terrible

whole bluff
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2 flasks + aura + stone golem

proud gorge
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I've managed to rework the build into an ES build at the cost of like a quarter of its damage

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I'm still not sure where I lost all that damage from

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I know some is from replacing Haste with Discipline though

tranquil sedge
whole bluff
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I wonder if I need foulborn bereks when I have oriaths end?

proud gorge
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look upon it and despair

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also notably that ring doesn't actually exist

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so it would inevitably end up weaker anyways

tranquil sedge
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i was just about to say ah this is that ring we were looking at yday

proud gorge
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well, the original version is

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I edited it to have ES instead of Life

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which, like I said, isn't a real thing that exists

tranquil sedge
vague storm
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Does "ignore physical damage reduction" work on everything, or just rare/elite enemies with the "physical damage reduction" affix?

wintry lily
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anything with pdr

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as far as I remember that is

vague storm
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So anything with any armor value then? Including bosses?

pulsar dune
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there are altars that give enemies armor and thus pdr

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and yea, most enemies do have some armor at a baseline

karmic gust
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the enemy armor still works like armor tho so it generally does nothing in first place

vague storm
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Super, so bastion breaker and the mastery are totally worth it.

vague storm
wintry lily
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thats the one on your character sheet

vague storm
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So I'm assuming it just... ignores the armor

wintry lily
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its uh, not accurate

vague storm
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So is bastion breaker and the mastery worth the 4 points or no?

karmic gust
vague storm
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So I'm playing on HC, and have a lower damage output

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In favor of more survivability

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Does that make it more worth to take?

karmic gust
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even on HC your hits will be big enough unless you are playing cyclone

vague storm
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I'm playing cyclone XD

proud gorge
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oh, I lost damage because PoB (correctly) turned off Righteous Fire of Arcane Devotion when I took CI

karmic gust
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lol

proud gorge
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since obviously you can't sustain RFoAD with CI

karmic gust
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then yea you can take bastion breaer i guess

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i wouldnt click the mastery tho still

vague storm
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Oh yeah, it's 3 points for BB and 1 for mastery, 4 points

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And 1 for travel

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So 5 I guess

karmic gust
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then thats less worth

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i mean just check in pob i guess

wintry lily
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I'd just suck up the less damage than travel 5 points for something that wont matter unless you run into a pdr rare

karmic gust
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but for example on one phys pob i have bastion breaker is just dogshit

vague storm
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Never used pob, lol. Been playing HC for years and haven't touched it

karmic gust
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and i have no source of phys ignore there

tranquil sedge
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yea the implicits on that ring carry hard

you're looking at maybe 35-40% dps drop without those implicits

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dunno wat even you'd replace with hmm

karmic gust
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1.6% per point Pogott

tranquil sedge
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this would prob give you another 300-400 energy shield but its kinda absurdly expensive for this implicit tbh

vague storm
wintry lily
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Effectively 5 with how shit it is

proud gorge
tranquil sedge
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maybe crit multi

ornate patrol
proud gorge
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but yeah, it's definitely doable to do a CI swap, but it would take a lot of reworking

tranquil sedge
vague storm
karmic gust
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if you are going ES with 7k es might as well just stick with life

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and click utulas if you cant be bothered

tranquil sedge
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plus like u said you lose your arcane rf

karmic gust
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and just grab damage on every other piece

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and then you can also drop the life flask and click progen (i assume you were runnign life flask for no reason on that setup as life setup before?)

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but yea just click progen

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and done

wintry lily
proud gorge
karmic gust
wintry lily
karmic gust
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you are sacrificng whole chest on the es build already

vague storm
karmic gust
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so you can do the same on life setup

ocean field
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In a shield like this best way to get chance to increase block chance

wintry lily
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most enemies dont have enough pdr to matter

karmic gust
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with utulas thats easy 5-6k life and thats already tankier than the es setup by quite abit

brazen vector
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What if whenever the marauder does a slam the bodies of their enemies errupt from enjoyment instead of from pain

tranquil sedge
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can u also share the life pob

ocean field
karmic gust
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alternatively just go hybrid thats also an option should be ez like 4k/4k or something

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but going pure es there with dual VBs, heatshiver badge is basically your worst defensive option

brazen vector
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I will

vague storm
proud gorge
karmic gust
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LL with corruscating also is an option there

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probs better than CI

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as that gives you a lot of damage

tranquil sedge
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oh thats already hybrid there 😮 ~2k es

proud gorge
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yeah

karmic gust
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yea thats already tankier than the es setup lol

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why would you switch

proud gorge
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originally it was an EB build with like 3k life

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which is horrible

karmic gust
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why?

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sounds fine

proud gorge
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Eldritch Battery with 3k max life?

karmic gust
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yea, sounds fine

wintry lily
karmic gust
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you are just using wrong flask

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you need progen

proud gorge
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I mean this isn't my build, I found it on poeninja

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and then fixed it up because the original was real bad

ocean field
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any crafting expert here?

brazen vector
karmic gust
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also this pathing is pretty garbage ngl

ocean field
karmic gust
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on the life setup you can drop that whoel side

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and path right instead

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saves you so many points

brazen vector
vague storm
karmic gust
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and also gets you ghost dance

ocean field
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btw this is the actual shield tho the only mods I care about the those 2

brazen vector
wintry lily
ocean field
proud gorge
# karmic gust saves you so many points

it really doesn't, you need to pick up all the +1 Power Charge notables, so either you pick left side and annoit right, or pick right side and annoit left. The tree chooses to pick left side and annoit right because it needs the Sovereignty wheel anyways, putting it right next to the left side power charge anyways

ocean field
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so anyway without recomb

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benchcraft or harvest gamba I assume

vague storm
proud gorge
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if you pathed right, you'd spend the same number of points connecting up to the +1 power charge notable, but you'd lose the extra endurance charge

brazen vector
karmic gust
tranquil sedge
karmic gust
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because you can move the cluster here

proud gorge
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Sovereignty is required to fit all the auras though

karmic gust
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you just drop the shit one

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or get better helmet and enlighten

ancient sorrel
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whats the fastest way to level a melee scion?
im level 37 and its rompish as cyclone

tranquil sedge
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or ur first?

karmic gust
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and you can swap quartz to quicksilver

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because you actually have supp on right side

split maple
ancient sorrel
proud gorge
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even with level 4 enlighten you need the reservation wheel

tranquil sedge
tranquil sedge
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works on every character, is fast and simple and fun

karmic gust
split maple
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this league for twinking just slap on herald of hive when you hit lvl requirement and random 2-3 heralds and just run templarthumbsup

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its pretty free

tranquil sedge
split maple
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didnt try it but yea heard good thing about that too

tranquil sedge
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if u dont want to put a lot of effort just do what esm said and use sunder like alecia said or something yea
probably won't have to change tree or anything much then and dont have to buy new gear like for hollow palm

split maple
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but its like 2 items more than just a ring shrugR

wintry lily
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Cyclone levelling is a pain and a half

proud gorge
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but yeah, the original version of this build looks like this

wintry lily
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Mostly because you're removing a lot of movespeed

proud gorge
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with an amazing 3.3k max life and eldritch battery to cast with

wintry lily
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wdym this is just a normal mathil build

proud gorge
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I'm not really a build creator, so I mostly just shuffled around some points to improve the max life, remove EB, and try to make it less terrible

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and did succeed in improving max life and even improving damage along the way

karmic gust
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i would actually put the EB back ngl, but with repathing for ghost dance

proud gorge
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but in practice I've found that even that version is incredibly squishy

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what's the point of ghost dance with EB?

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why

karmic gust
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as when pathing left yea i dont rly see EB working

karmic gust
proud gorge
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who cares

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it's EB

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ES sustain is irrelevant

karmic gust
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its mom EB so its not irrelevant

proud gorge
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... what?

karmic gust
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oh wait the original setup only had EB

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lol

proud gorge
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you want to go MoM EB?

split maple
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there's no mom yeah 😄

karmic gust
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yea im talking abut mom eb

proud gorge
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why MoM EB? Why not literally just run regular hybrid

brazen vector
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Ed/c buff in 3.28

karmic gust
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actually yea i guess this is elementalist

proud gorge
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there's like no unreserved mana, so that's just a lot of effort to achieve es over life

karmic gust
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so you don have mana issues

proud gorge
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which is how it is by default

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lmao

frigid wedge
brazen vector
proud gorge
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like I said, the "life version" I made basically just functions to remove EB and sustain mana without EB

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which isn't too hard with just a mana cost watcher's eye

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and a level 1 clarity

frigid wedge
brazen vector
proud gorge
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I then tried reworking the build to be CI since a lot of the other Lightning Conduit builds are going CI

frigid wedge
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mm

proud gorge
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and that seemed a bit better than a weird ES/Evasion Elementalist with uncapped spell suppress

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but seems like it's pretty hard to get enough ES

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with as many uniques as its running already

ocean field
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@brazen vector I have 2 options either gamba a 1/50 at a price of 2 div each which is like 100 div or buy the item for 190 div.

proud gorge
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and besides that, going CI loses Arcane Devotion, which as it turns out is a pretty significant percentage of the build's listed DPS

ocean field
brazen vector
wintry lily
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3rd option, grind 180 div

frigid wedge
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maybe just get more

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by farming

brazen vector
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Gamble the 1/50 5 times

proud gorge
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but yeah, as much as I've been hyping up Lightning Conduit, and it is a very good skill, I've begun to see the floor on this particular power charge stacking LC build

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that being a general lack of survivability, combined with a skill that can't be cast at offscreen enemies

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since it requires them to be hit by your Orb of Storms

karmic gust
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btw you should be using arcane surge support over inc crit damage there, the buffer surge support is actually decent. and you have zealot to activate it

proud gorge
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so I'm just using whatever the original build had on it

karmic gust
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https://pobb.in/unI6ha3Y__Jb anyway i would do something like this probably, utulas would require too much regearing

ocean field
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Rn I can make like 10 div per hour

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so that is 19 hrs

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for a shield

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hmmm

zinc stump
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Not bad

proud gorge
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but yeah, in retrospect, despite the funny 100m DPS number, in practice LC just doesn't seem to have the offscreen potential to survive with that low of a health pool. So in practice, either you need to have enough damage to oneshot with Frostblink before the enemies can even move, or you need to have enough survivability to survive in close range of enemies for like half a second.

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and that second one requires giving up a decent amount of DPS to achieve

zinc stump
brazen vector
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I make more than 10d/h by listing my gambled stuff and not play

zinc stump
ocean field
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or I can lowkey sell my awakened multi strike and make 80 divs

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and save 8 hrs

proud gorge
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I mean, Lightning Conduit is probably honestly SSF friendly, it does incredible damage on just random-ass gear

wintry lily
ocean field
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btw I won't have it if I ever come back to attack skills in the future

proud gorge
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but this particular LC build definitely isn't

wintry lily
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days long of non-stop playing

zinc stump
wintry lily
zinc stump
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I can be your auraslut

#

Wow without space its allowed

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Ccp

proud gorge
#

which is good, don't get me wrong, but also conditional on standing still

#

oh and Progenesis

#

but either build can slap that on

wintry lily
zinc stump
proud gorge
#

it's definitely an improvement, yeah

#

but most of that extra phys max hit is just Arctic Armour and Progenesis

brazen vector
#

progenesis only gives you 700 max phys?

proud gorge
#

no this is with both builds using Arctic Armour and Progenesis

#

here's without either

brazen vector
#

ah

proud gorge
#

but yeah, honestly, this league I seem to have hit the money on my first try

#

usually I end up playing builds and rerolling repeatedly to find a build that I really enjoy, that really speaks to me

#

sometimes it takes a couple of tries, and sometimes I never find one all league (as was the case in Legion)

#

but this time, apparently, I hit the perfect build for me on the first try, Poison self-cast FRoSS

#

and so I keep trying different builds, because it's what I'm used to, but end up going back to good old Poison self-cast FRoSS anyways

#

it's such a great build, fast, tanky, very high damage, cheap to start, easy to scale

#

also incredibly easy to play since the skill just aims for you

#

while looking for builds, I was deliberately trying to avoid any DoT builds, since I wanted to try to find one that scaled above the DoT cap

#

but honestly, even the 100m dps nonsense full-damage LC build fails to hit DoT cap on Ubers anyways

#

meanwhile my beloved Poison FRoSS build hits like 23m Ubers DPS anyways

#

so like 78m non-Ubers dps without the DoT cap

wintry lily
#

hit cap when

proud gorge
#

all while being able to facetank juiced T17s

proud gorge
#

and by "a while back" I mean Settlers

wintry lily
#

now have hit and dot cap on one build

proud gorge
#

the hit damage cap is ridiculous though

#

it's like 2.1 billion in a single instance of damage or something like that

#

and of course that's only a cap on single instance of damage

#

not dps

#

By the by, what are the supposed "20 div/hr" strats anyways? I've been running Containment Strongboxes, but I have no idea what its actual profit is

#

I just know it makes some amount of money

#

I know it's positive money because I end up with more money than I started with lmao

split maple
#

like if you dont have i droped duped hinekora lock 2x size of sample its just ridiculus to math on them

#

vibes based profit making

tranquil sedge
#

ziggurat > abom, only would really run those 2 layouts if killing bosses

#

otherwise whatever the cheapest t17 is

#

or run in 8-mod t16s too that's also fine

#

at least 10-15d/hr in 8 mod t16, 20-30d/hr in t17

i normally run cornucopia btw not rota

split maple
tranquil sedge
#

other usual go-tos for me:

  • 5x cloister farm - 10d/hr or more usually 8mod t16 (pick good layouts like sewers)
  • elder rotas - i'd guess 15d/hr just boss rushing these, depends a little on chisel and frag set prices but it can be a bit more too
  • harbinger this league is apparently up to 20d/hr but mostly by using it to farm rare mobs i think?
split maple
#

2x nemesis 1x divinity/wisp 2x adversaries scarb farm should still do good in t17

#

prolly less div/map than harb but way more maps/h

tranquil sedge
#

how much div/hr is beastfarming nowadays

#

if u combine with say nameless ritual hunting too, in e.g. scoured strand maps

#

like wat horse was doing in merc league

steel light
#

just do ultimatum, 8D dupe, twice, per hour 🛐

split maple
#

how common are div dupers rly tho? like i dont have enough sample size to estimate, but i get them 8div dupers regulary enough from cata+inscr that i feel its worthwhile to keep ulti speced in atlas

tranquil sedge
#

from cata+inscr
from what

split maple
#
  • its kinda super good for unique item collection, inscribeds fills the missing t3/t2 etc stuff pretty nicely
split maple
#

when used together replace all rewards in ulti by inscribed ultimatums

tranquil sedge
#

😮

split maple
#

thats why catalyzing is around a div

tranquil sedge
#

Ultimatum Encounter rewards in Area offering Catalysts will offer Inscribed Ultimatums to the Map Owner instead
i see

proud gorge
#

oh my god

#

that upper one, for reference, is not 1:9.50

tranquil sedge
#

this makes more sense

royal stump
#

is that the right scry for aphotecary chance into dunes map ?

proud gorge
#

it's 1:9.5001

tranquil sedge
#

thats funny

royal stump
#

havent seen u in some time tho u dead

#

or what is more worste

tranquil sedge
royal stump
#

gott married

proud gorge
#

or something stupid like that

royal stump
tranquil sedge
#

thankfully im still alive 👍

royal stump
royal stump
royal stump
steel light
#

need to do all these, left are 20c/20 chisels, seven years and sephirot 1 each, 8D x1, 4D x7, 1D x4, the fortune x2

steel light
split maple
#

I rly hope these 20c dupers aren't stone circles

grizzled lily
#

is it worth doing catalyst and inscribing without grueling?

split maple
grizzled lily
#

damn

split maple
#

But if cata is around 1div should be still profit

steel light
#

i think cata is 1.1 to 1.3?

grizzled lily
#

i have some catalying scarabs that i didnt want to sell, maybe its time to run them, does it matter if theyre

#

scour and go

split maple
#

Like worst case scenario you Will be forced to stand in stone circles for 20c like Doo UHM

grizzled lily
#

and does the qual of the map aftually matter

steel light
#

nvm close to 1

split maple
#

Map don't matter for cata+inscr

grizzled lily
#

okay boss

split maple
#

Since quant only affects number of catas, which don't matter if they convert into inscr anyways

steel light
grizzled lily
#

hahahah

royal stump
grizzled lily
#

its so free also

split maple
#

Nice

potent horizon
#

i have some sockets available and i was thinking of spellslinger of some sort right now im str stacking for chaos damage on boots if that helps any suggestions for spell slinged skills

royal stump
potent horizon
#

main skill is kinetic fusillade

grizzled lily
#

turnadu

royal stump
steel light
#

if only the challenge

royal stump
#

best thing i had this season @tranquil sedge

tranquil sedge
#

nice 😄

split maple
#

best ulti i ran this league

#

trialmaster be based and good

potent horizon
steel light
#

300k dust

steady elk
#

what level do y'all finish act 10 typically?

steel light
#

can u even target farm cata scarab in ssf?

#

73 cause i killed everything UHM

split maple
#

block a lot of shit and spec in that 4 node wheel for ultimatum chance to boost ulti scarbs

#

you dont get a lot, but they do drop every so often

#

idk i want to say like 4-5catalyzers per 40 bribings? since i usually go run ulti when i hit around that much bribings

steel light
#

keeper vs merc, if vfos died for its sin, is kb next on the stake? 🔥 UHM

royal stump
#

Scavengers will always live , cws + one love

pulsar dune
#

There's no way they nerf KB

#

It's not even that good

royal stump
#

i can do all content bla bla bla

steel light
split maple
#

kboc got circumstancially overbuffed this league, runegraft is +1 support gem, bugged graft (will be gone anyways), a lot of good foulborn options (fbl choir on highinvest, fbl kikarazu on budget) - but like its possible they will triple-tap it

#

kblast itself is still mid, but game is easy enough now that you can afford to play it kek

steel light
#

15% kb shall die!!! sealpeek

split maple
#

i am worried pbod will get tripletaped due to heraldstacker even tho heraldstacker isnt even good pboder

#

its excelent build dont get me wrong, just it rly isnt a brand build

#

feels more like rf on steroids to play

royal stump
grizzled lily
split maple
royal stump
split maple
#

just its autobomber not pbod rly - like if you would judge it as pbod build it would be frankly horribad 😄 no brand attachment range, not enough cast speed, no remarkable clusters...

#

so if pbod is nerfed due to build which doesnt even rely on pbod much it will be kinda sadge

royal stump
split maple
#

skittex i am rly not dissing autobombers, i enjoy my heraldstacker a lot

split maple
#

i am just saying its a different kind of build than pbod is

#

so pbod catching triple-tap nerf due to it will be kinda sadge

#

if deserved kek

grizzled lily
#

no nerfs for pbod

#

trusr

#

i talked with them

#

they said no nerfs

#

skill in a good state

royal stump
pulsar dune
#

We really need a different spell lmao

split maple
#

like if i want to do ubers with my heraldstacker i need to change 12 passives, 3 gems, belt, flasks and one jewel

#

and its still not feeling like proper brander 😄 just a good enough one

#

way better mapper tho

royal stump
split maple
#

i am at job sadly UHM

#

slap a pob link for me tho pls

royal stump
tight plinth
#

what we arguing about today lads?

royal stump
tight plinth
#

monkaS

royal stump
#

i just putt together one this morning , cleans dunes in 50 sec 😄

split maple
#

oh that death oath thingie?

#

yea thats interesting build

royal stump
#

see how dope he is

split maple
#

😄 i need belt swap not weapon swap

royal stump
#

poe1/chat1

tight plinth
#

i want auto swap weapon like in poe2

tight plinth
#

i wonder if thatll ever come to poe1 or there is an issue porting it to poe1

pulsar dune
steel light
pulsar dune
#

You don't use enough skills to actually benefit from it

tight plinth
#

im not doing it not now cause its a pain to swap

#

if i had the option i might consider

split maple
pulsar dune
#

It's what, red blade banner, the rare defensive swap, and some Autobomber techs

split maple
#

sirus is why there is jewel swap for my bossing

pulsar dune
#

IG RVoB, but there's no way that'd work with the 2 system

split maple
#

cblood immunity shrugR

tight plinth
#

could do the bell weapon thing to proc block/retal on hit

pulsar dune
#

Sure

karmic gust
fickle glen
#

Can DoT be dodged or blocked?

pulsar dune
#

No, but usually (but not always) dot is caused by a hit

#

And that hit you can dodge/evade/block

fickle glen
#

So immunity is the only way to resist it

ocean folio
fickle glen
#

Really?

grizzled lily
#

yes

fickle glen
#

I seen poison and chaos and bleed and impale and elemental immunities

#

What am i missing?

grizzled lily
#

alot more

fickle glen
#

I seen corrupted blood as well

ocean folio
#

lots of bosses have stuff like degen grounds

grizzled lily
#

just delirium gives like 15 dots

#

specific

#

that u cant be immune to

#

u can be immune to the generic types

#

but specific mechanics have specific dot or ailments

fickle glen
#

So these dots you’re mentioning are not part of the 5 different damage types?

karmic gust
#

they are not ailments

ocean folio
#

they are. but there is only full chaos immunity in game

karmic gust
#

just dots

fickle glen
ocean folio
#

like deathbeam said, most dots arent ailments, so the immunity is irrelevant

fickle glen
#

I’ll look for the list of those dots

grizzled lily
#

youre immune to the immediate debuffs, like freezing, or being shocked i suppose, but freezing isnt cold or brittle

#

you cant be immune to brittle or idk if purity of elements even works that way

#

but there are subgenres of elemental dmg

steel light
#

are these numbers accurate? 👀

grizzled lily
#

fake

gritty epoch
#

Nope

ocean folio
steel light
#

what's the cause this time? last season was howlcrack

gritty epoch
#

U can reach more than 500m++ real DPS, the rest is doryani, gem swaps and other cheats

#

Ambush etc

fickle glen
#

wtf is bone based dot lol

proud gorge
#

why the heck is T16.5 Innocence shooting invisible DoT beam at me

fickle glen
#

AI thinks incinerate beam from bosses is dot

proud gorge
#

I'm beginning to think maybe I should have rerolled this

fickle glen
#

You’re always opposed to ai for reason

#

What did it do to you Artisanix you can tell me

steel light
#

ok, that really was free

split maple
fickle glen
#

Cap, even the creators of the ai don’t know how it works

split maple
#

even got a lil tip from trialmaster i see

steel light
#

just the tip

fickle glen
steel light
#

i might fail this

proud gorge
#

AI is built on the back of hundreds of thousands of instances of blatant plagiarism, literally could not exist without stealing from enormous quantities of people constantly, and is insanely costly, not just economically but also in terms of actual resource usage, for very little benefit.

And no, how AI works is very well known, it's technology that has existed for decades at this point, literally the only difference between the modern LLM and a neural net from the 90s is them throwing absolutely stupid amounts of compute at the problem.

#

The problem of memory was an unsolved problem in the space for decades, and it's still unsolved. Their "solution" is just to feed everything the AI has ever said back to itself every time

#

same with the recent "improvements" to AIs, it's not actually a real improvement, it's just that now every prompt runs a whole bunch of sub-prompts correcting and re-correcting it, literally just throwing more compute at the problem until it stops looking like a problem

#

it's stupid, it's untenable, and it only works because of stupid-ass investors pouring insane amounts of money into "datacenters" so that they can bet on stocks

fickle glen
#

I don’t think they can make it sentient

proud gorge
#

obviously not what

#

have you been listening to anything we've been saying

#

it's literally just a set of matrix multiplications to approximate an output

split maple
#

and after all that compute its still horrible at poe

#

which is mainly why pls no ai crapo in general

fickle glen
#

It’s just a tool to help you find information without taking time to search

split maple
#

yeah but i am pretty sure most of info it spews out is just wrong

fickle glen
#

Yeah that happens a lot

split maple
#

like try to find a single thing correct on this screenshot

#

i cannot

#

like even fucking ilvl is just wrong

proud gorge
#

hurrah, I managed to kill the Innocence on my last portal

#

I mean, I died

#

but there was enough poison stacks on him to kill

#

which is sufficient for the quest

#

and also the challenge

fickle glen
#

Haha I asked that chat gpt once on why it’s worse than google ai it said because it tries to simplify the information it gathers

proud gorge
# fickle glen Haha I asked that chat gpt once on why it’s worse than google ai it said because...

incorrect, the reason why ChatGPT is worse at facts is because ChatGPT is trained on enormous amounts of random data from the internet, but is at its core trained on web-published fiction (eg: fanfiction) because that makes its writing seem "organic", which was the original goal of ChatGPT. Google's AI, meanwhile, is literally fed the results of a google search as part of its input if you ask it a question.

split maple
#

chatgippity cannot into influenced mods

fickle glen
proud gorge
#

and the google AI is still wrong constantly

#

that's not even vaguely what you said

fickle glen
#

I asked it a long time ago

#

It’s what I remembered

proud gorge
#

"Haha I asked that chat gpt once on why it’s worse than google ai it said because it tries to simplify the information it gathers"

#

again, strictly incorrect

#

that's not why chatgpt is less accurate, I described why above

#

though these days ChatGPT probably does a google search also, it just sucks at specific facts because it's just cramming a bunch of words in to generate something that looks like a sentence

tight plinth
#

cant wait for the AI bubble to pop

steel light
#

don't chatgpt always mix info of poe/poe2 builds together?

tight plinth
#

aaaaaaanyways, back to poe

proud gorge
#

the unid Rigwald's Savagery market is popping off

steel light
#

they're gonna build more walls in 3.28, and we're gonna pay for it UHM

steel light
#

nvm 41k after +quality

split maple
#

that image feels so wrong

tight plinth
#

wait wait

#

you can quality to increase dust?

#

WTF

steel light
#

ssf weirdo kek

split maple
#

why are you burning low-dust uniques

steel light
#

from 8 mods deli map farm and gold farm

tight plinth
#

i dont do much crafting so i do the same, pretty much throw whatever unique i picked up

#

i just remove them when i get better ones to throw in

steel light
#

those are drops

tranquil sedge
fickle glen
#

What kind of resources do I need and how much of it do I need to make it 6 socket linked?

tranquil sedge
#

jeweller orbs

#

x350 to make 6 sockets

#

then 1500 fusings to 6 link.

ornate patrol
#

Corrupted

tranquil sedge
#

check if you can just buy it completed instead, if you require one, for cheaper.

#

oh

ornate patrol
#

Tainted fusings

tranquil sedge
#

wat i said was for uncorrupted ^

fickle glen
#

Someone says corrupted needs something else

tranquil sedge
#

tainted jeweller and tainted fusings then

ornate patrol
#

4link with bench and then tainted fusings

normal hedge
#

6 sockets with tainted jeweller, bench craft 4 links and use tainted fusings

tranquil sedge
#

a handful of vaal orbs and fusing orbs will be needed for that ^

tranquil sedge
#

but also like
do you have a quiver good enough for that

split maple
#

5l and 6l are already a lot of vaals

tranquil sedge
split maple
#

so makes more sense to tainted fuse

fickle glen
#

I want 6 links idc about price

normal hedge
tranquil sedge
#

if it goes down to 3 u bench back to 4

split maple
#

just you bench 4l then gamba 2x tainted

#

if tainted currency exists on xbox kek

normal hedge
#

D:

proud gorge
#

oh, I was wondering why my damage to the boss seemed so low

#

I guess "Debuffs on monsters expire 148% faster" includes poisons

silent leaf
#

the economy joke, IN THIS ECONOMY?

wise rose
#

guys hi, whats another wander i can play besides KBOC?

steel light
#

kb?

vocal perch
#

soooo i havve two questions

#
  1. how long is left in the league
#
  1. how tf do i farm chromatic orbs cuz i neeeeeeeeeed them
clear summit
#

Does your atlas affect memory tears????

steel light
steel light
normal hedge
steel light
fickle glen
#

Strangest weapon ive seen in this game

steel light
#

i lied, only eater

fickle glen
#

Might save it for my gladiator

normal hedge
#

theres also tujen and tree but i dont think tujen is worth it

#

if you farm 1 harvest you'll have more chromatics than 1 tujen kek

tight plinth
#

all damage can bleed when?

steel light
#

if u're on xbox/ps5/ssf masochist and need currency, tujen, juicedblight and containment lockbox are how to farm bubble gum currency

tight plinth
#

spell bleed when?

silent leaf
#

phys melee shock ignite freeze when

tight plinth
#

reap bleed would seem giga broken, double dip scaling marauderthinking

#

or exsang yeah

brazen vector
spice pecan
#

ayo, tryna carry a homie in sanctum, do I have to have the customer present in every room in the last floor, or can they just port in in p1 of lycia, or can they port in after she's dead?

#

like where does my homie have to port in/where do i have to stop

#

couldn't get an answer from tft

#

okay i literally cannot click a room

#

and i cannot leave

#

does anyone know wtf i should do lol

#

i literally cannot leave this room without logging out

steel light
#

ask old men like esm, us younglings don't do sanctum

spice pecan
#

i am also an old man who has done many sanctum

steel light
#

so u're an useless old man

spice pecan
#

i have never seen this

split maple
#

you are instance owner right?

spice pecan
#

yes, im solo

#

tryna clear to lycia for my homie

split maple
#

did you already click room before and then left sanctum or smh? then selection is fixed

tranquil sedge
spice pecan
#

no

steel light
#

how blizzard fail to make a pitch to esm: "don't you guys have friends?" riffPeek

spice pecan
#

i just ended the sanctum and burned another tome

split maple
#

i have friends UHM i think...

spice pecan
#

clicking any room does nothing

#

lol

#

there are no open doors

split maple
#

well good thing its only floor 2 and not 4

#

oh wait

spice pecan
#

its literally floor 1

split maple
#

click the very first room

#

on the left

spice pecan
#

im

#

going to end it all

#

in minecrab

#

🦀

split maple
#

idk if that means my hunch was right or not but 😄

steel light
#

he burnt a tome for not clicking the very first room?

elder marlin
#

whats the base movement speed value?

steel light
#

0?

#

equipping full armor gets -3%

whole bluff
#

Wait what how

elder marlin
#

im dumb, its action speed not mv speed

whole bluff
#

Where is this info

elder marlin
#

ok that make sense

steel light
whole bluff
#

Post is even still there

elder marlin
#

if i have negative chill effect does that mean im effectively chill immune?

tight plinth
#

can you get negative chill effect? maybe it would make you faster 🤔

elder marlin
#

mb, brine king

tight plinth
#

oh you can, interesting 🤔

elder marlin
#

im seeing ways i can get freeze and chill immune

pulsar dune
#

I think something that's 130% reduced just goes to 0

elder marlin
#

without mb

pulsar dune
#

No negative numbers involved

elder marlin
#

technically i can run garb with ag

#

how do i set items for ag in pob?

split maple
#

Then go to calcs, pick AG and assign it to it

steel light
elder marlin
tight plinth
#

theres a less duration of ignite pantheon

past mantle
#

You're chieftain so you don't need to worry about ignite.

tight plinth
#

oh chieftain

#

ignite doesnt affect you kek

past mantle
#

Tasalio good.

#

Yepge.

#

I didn't even mean that, I just mean 90% res but yeah, tasalio giga.

elder marlin
#

im glad and i dont even care abt ignite

steel light
#

i don't even know my class 😼

#

holy suddenly i freed up a jewel slot and flask suffix ScuffParty

elder marlin
#

life's rough out here UHM

#

also why is ag gear buff not showing up?

tight plinth
#

some stuff doesnt show or all of them, i just manually put them in config

steel light
#

379D as of now to get both ff/ff

elder marlin
whole bluff
limpid prairie
lilac parcel
#

i swear to god there is no diffrence between 0 magic find and 400 extra magic find

earnest raven
#

What's magic find?

past mantle
#

Rarity isn't very useful, correct.

#

It's there if you want uniques and unless you run rarity strats, that 400% isn't multiplying much.

lilac parcel
#

i want gold

spare ore
#

it actually is very useful for getting gold

lilac parcel
#

well im not getting or whatever im getting its bs cause i simply see no diffrence

#

i did like 200 maps already using this

past mantle
#

Oh true, forgot about gold.

lilac parcel
past mantle
#

These active skills from those are insane multipliers to gold.

lilac parcel
#

i swear to go there is absolutly no diffrence it only slows me alot cause im farming slower

spare ore
#

well you also need to do content that gives good gold with that like alva

lilac parcel
#

50-80 k gold a map , no matter if i wear those items or not

limpid prairie
#

Empyrian had a gold guide at some point

earnest raven
#

You could take some rarity gear off and do group mapping

sleek barn
#

run some juiced blightheart blight

lilac parcel
#

to expensive

#

not worth it

earnest raven
#

Yep juiced blight is sweet

lilac parcel
#

but yes i had maps there with 600 k

#

my biugges was 680 k a map

#

but way to expensive and way to risky for my build

#

i want gold 100k a map

#

but from other sources than blight

tawny gorge
lilac parcel
pulsar dune
#

Duped mirror is crazy

lilac parcel
#

how can god damm 400 rarity not count in gold drop it baffels me

tawny gorge
past mantle
#

It does. frogethumbsup

#

Are you running 8 modded maps at least?

tawny gorge
lilac parcel
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even changed my build so i can block to have life recovery :)) cause of my amulet

limpid prairie
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Party play broken nerf blight next patch

pulsar dune
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Mirrors are stupidly rare

lilac parcel
tawny gorge
earnest raven
dusky urchin
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good

sleek barn
steady elk
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is buying a supporter pack the best value for money if i want to buy additional mtx plus stash tabs?

dusky urchin
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make lots of divines

pulsar dune
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I'm so tempted to group play, but none of my friends play and none of my friends even like the game

normal hedge
sleek barn
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its already so tiring getting our schedules to line up anyways

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i've given up trying to get anyone to play

lilac parcel
earnest raven
sleek barn
tawny gorge
sleek barn
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you already have multi mirror builds no?

tawny gorge
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I quit already we made 8 mirrors as 3
Wanted 9 for the split but it is what it is

normal hedge
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if you grab 2 friends and everyone multibox a unkillable glad to afk inv blight you can print a lot

tawny gorge
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There were leagues when we made less as 5 so

sleek barn
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lmao what is this

normal hedge
tawny gorge
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Im not a fan of blight but this league they fixed most of the flickering and other performance issues
Especially if you got billions of dps with offscreen aoe

sleek barn
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your source of wealth is inspiring Juca

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i shall now also commit myself to prostitution in Oriath

limpid prairie
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What a genius

frigid wedge
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juca has like 20c iirc

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:P

sleek barn
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where did all the money go

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alt arts?

frigid wedge
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it might b someone else im thinking of