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[past mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr6RQ49xLkQ

[tranquil sedge]

peeking brb

[past mantle]

Still the same after all that time.

Guide from 2022.

[fickle glen]

Can’t I just get a unique bow that you guys can recommend? I don’t think I can afford to craft a weapon yet

[tranquil sedge]

u dont craft it

u buy a ready made one as close to what he described

[crimson hearth]

Helllo

[past mantle]

You can just buy it, they're not expensive.

[whole bluff]

Most unique weapons are extremely undertuned atm

[past mantle]

Because the only good unique bow is quillrain.

[tranquil sedge]

dread essence gives +2 i see i forgot that

[past mantle]

Or the 250% quiver effect one but that requires a good quiver.

[hard cliff]

hello

[crimson hearth]

I just got a ps5 now i had ps4 version if i download ps5 version would i have to so anything or would i be able to login right away (same psn obviously)

[hard cliff]

[whole bluff]

They've been power crept for like 7 years with a few select buffs to items that became absurdly rare, and even those items usually are questionable

[past mantle]

Wings is also good but very specific.

[hard cliff]

nice, ps5

merry Christmas

[whole bluff]

Glad midsommar!

[past mantle]

Unique bows are in a particularly bad state.

[crimson hearth]

🥹 ✌️

[fickle glen]

Dang 100% attack speed on that quill bow

I might just get that…

[past mantle]

30% less damage also.

[crimson hearth]

I haven't played in months tho is it still the same

[whole bluff]

It's funny how the most meta way to use the rarest weapons is an advanced form of vendoring in Kingsmarch

Is doomfletch playable atm?

[fickle glen]

I have this ring that might even that out…

[limpid prairie]

Increased dmg doesnt do too too much
you are looking for more damage modifiers

[whole bluff]

Weapons with a cool effect, like widowhail or quill rain or doomfletch for bows, or voidforge or ephemeral edge for melee, are usually more viable than run of the mill unique weapons

[ocean field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUj74HRxFRw @tranquil sedge and @split maple thoughts one this if I attempt to play a trickster version of this. How much dps would I lose if I have to make it tanky

[hard cliff]

Last month of an ok league

[ocean field]

@hard cliff can u chip in too

[fickle glen]

It’s all I got right now

[hard cliff]

@sonicsailes
play melee ignite and I'll give you all my chaos

@ocean field

[tranquil sedge]

why are you making this a trickster

[ocean field]

melee ignite huh

but it is melee tho

[ocean field]

cause i only play trickster

[whole bluff]

Trickster got bonk

[tranquil sedge]

i dunno bro

[ocean field]

I will be with trickster till the grave

[whole bluff]

He is waiting for you 6 feet under

[ocean field]

maybe try eblade inquis at some point but prolly still main trickster

[whole bluff]

Eblade inquisitor is cool

[hard cliff]

eblade heiro is disgustingly powerful

inquis

I am sober sorry

[whole bluff]

[ocean field]

how do people play melee skills bruh

u have to be this close to enemyy to kill him

[whole bluff]

The handshake archetype

[ocean field]

exactly more like kissing

might as well blow them

[whole bluff]

There's a skill called infernal blow

It's melee

[ocean field]

so u eat hot sauce before it I assume

[whole bluff]

Yeah, and it makes mobs explode

[rich hawk]

Is there really no new league until March?

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-guy-demon-2016-gif-10925418

[whole bluff]

But maybe should keep it less depraved in here

[hard cliff]

just pretend you are doom guy

[ocean field]

where bfg

[whole bluff]

I would expect chatters to leave and mods to replace them in the convo if it was too much

[ocean field]

funny tho I don't like bow skills don't like melee

[ocean field]

riding the line

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/EIK-jg6Uo_I

[barren river]

hey chat!

[hard cliff]

great gym music

[fickle glen]

I am excited to try this quill bow now

[barren river]

[hard cliff]

[barren river]

quill rain is s tier for levelling a bow build

but as a main weapon, it's trash

[tight plinth]

[fickle glen]

OMG this thing is devastating

[barren river]

it has very low base damage

[fickle glen]

I just cleared the hive born in less than 10 sec holyyy

[tight plinth]

there are 2 builds where its decent, explosive arrow and toxic rain, other than that its pretty poop

[ocean field]

btw how does cast when stunned or crit or channellling work

[tight plinth]

you get stunned, you cast

[fickle glen]

Yeah I am using explosive arrows

[tight plinth]

you crit, you cast

youre channeling, you cast

[fickle glen]

This is where all my damage been 🥹

[ocean field]

if u get stunned then u cannot move tho

[fickle glen]

Yo who ever mentioned that quill bow ily nohomo

[tight plinth]

there are ways around it, you can have a butt ton of stun recovery

[ocean field]

i see

[tight plinth]

theres a whole build around it

[barren river]

look up cws chieftain

[tight plinth]

quite popular nowadays

[barren river]

bloodnotch immutable force

and you have super low es and you use valyrium

[ocean field]

how it better than self cast tho

low cast times?

[tight plinth]

most of the time, triggered is better than "hand cast"

its a lot better now than it was before

[past mantle]

All melee skills hit from half a screen away or further.

[hard cliff]

not Boneshatter

[barren river]

for example, the best way to play fross is to play with your coc

[stable hawk]

no cast time and trigger rate can typically get very high, atleast for coc. Not that familiar with cwc or cws

[past mantle]

Bone shatter even more than most things.

Sione's makes everything half screen wide.

[barren river]

zenith does not count

nor flicker

[ocean field]

they slow af tho how to overcome that last league I used coiling

[past mantle]

CWS is for ultimatums only basically and CWC is more utiltiy.

[past mantle]

Invest into more attack or action speed?

[ocean field]

coiling more satisfying

[ocean field]

Even with that

still pretty slow

[barren river]

you play with your coc and you also use cwc lightning warp for mjolner

[ocean field]

Not inherently less damage

but feeling is slow

[barren river]

i played this exact build in 3.26

[ocean field]

I did coiling sodj in 3.26

[tight plinth]

dahek is coiling?

[whole bluff]

True. I like that the devs don't double down on the "arms reach" concept, even if some players actually want that. To me it just seems like wasted dev time to unintentionally create bait/clutter

[ocean field]

music to my ears

[stable hawk]

I actually prefer selfcast for fross, it's easier to build tanky

[barren river]

self cast fross is ded

[stable hawk]

it's not

poison fross is great

[tight plinth]

hand caster

[ocean field]

body coc better than hand coc

[barren river]

https://pobb.in/Ndg78B-o_YTR this was my build for 3.26

[ocean field]

I am gonna play trickster fross coc

rn in a coiling setup

[stable hawk]

ya that version is pretty much dead

[ocean field]

will switch to coc

[tight plinth]

can someone explain to me what da hek is a coiling

[barren river]

coiling whisper

[ocean field]

coiling setup sucks me dry in seconds

[barren river]

aka soul eater ring

[whole bluff]

Or poe2

[hard cliff]

disgusting

[barren river]

that setup is gone

[stable hawk]

but I always preferred the poison fross versions anyways, I.e. akin to what exile played in 3.26. Which is very much alive still and didn't get nerfs aside from whispers nerf

[barren river]

sold it

i could have used fross gloves and added swift affliction

and i could have also forfeited the +1 pc ring for a dusk ring

[ocean field]

some good cast when channeling skills

[barren river]

go check conner's setup

[restive nova]

what is that thing in maps just pops up and blasts kamehameha ? so annoying

[barren river]

idk

[split maple]

shaper influenced rare mobs t17 map modifier?

or t16.5

[barren river]

you can get uppies from shaper or volatiles

[restive nova]

t16

[split maple]

is it shaper guardian map? it has same effect

[barren river]

did you get the bad touch™ from the shaper?

[ocean field]

gng lowkey just tank them

[ocean field]

be perfect cell

[barren river]

gng. next up, 67 and labubu

[restive nova]

deadeye ?

[split maple]

thats t16.5 so has t17 mods

[ocean field]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[barren river]

probably you got the bad touch™

[restive nova]

it hits enemies also right ?

[split maple]

no

[barren river]

for deadeye, everything is the bad touch™

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/xat1GVnl8-k

[ocean field]

reasons why you should play goatster

[split maple]

@restive nova take screenshot of that dropdown

[barren river]

ded

[split maple]

it shows map mods

[barren river]

trickster is ded

[ocean field]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[hard cliff]

Assassin needs a buff

[ocean field]

shaper touched baby

[split maple]

"Rare monsters in area are shaper-touched" thats your kamehame

[ocean field]

crit banged

[restive nova]

wew

[barren river]

the shaper gave you the bad touch

it's one of the tamer mods in t17

[ocean field]

lowkey just use the jewel gng and take the other accendcy

idk how shaper touch is an issue tbh

[split maple]

what points do you even take on trickster nowadays tho

[ocean field]

I have been banged by multiple from all sides

[split maple]

like if you could invest 8 points into bloodline you would do so on tricky

[normal hedge]

just play shadow instead of trickster, dont even have to ascend

[ocean field]

leech, more dmgmastery is still good

[barren river]

polymath escape artist soul drinker spellbreaker?

[split maple]

es overleech is trivial to get

escape artist necrotic doesnt beat just taking twilight

[ocean field]

enables feed the fury

that is pretty sig

[barren river]

i got 18k es on trickster with that

[split maple]

es overleech in general enables that

and for that you just need ghost dance and 1 less evasion than es

[ocean field]

what do u mean 1 less evasion than es

[whole bluff]

Obligatory Sirus comment: "What's the point (of ascending on a shadow)? Existence is meaningless (as a shadow)!"

[barren river]

shadow is trash tho

[normal hedge]

since you'll never reach maximum ES you wont stop leeching

[barren river]

rip trickstertgirl

[hard cliff]

you are insane

[split maple]

leech instances are removed when es gets full. ghost dance prevents es to go over eva - so if you force 1 less eva than es => es is never full => you never stop leeching

thats your souldrinker for free

[spare ore]

chad shadow enjoyer vs ascended shadow

[hard cliff]

it's one of the best starting locations in the game

[normal hedge]

lol

[barren river]

just go elementalist

[ocean field]

yeah but ur evasion is like 2x ur es thoo

[split maple]

its not if you go for that

[spare ore]

why are we lying

[ocean field]

Mine is like 34K evasion and 16k es

[barren river]

witch is better

[split maple]

and if your argument is trickster good coz overleech well just take shadow and manipulate eva a bit and you have trickster

[ocean field]

nuh uh

[hard cliff]

witch starting area is awful

[split maple]

like the only interesting shadow ascendancy rn is sabo and even that is carried by being able to slap 4 points into bloodline instead

[ocean field]

gng trickster is not the best but I will still stick with him lowkey

[spare ore]

hes not god tier anymore but hes not trash

[ocean field]

cause I have to have CI

I hate witch

[whole bluff]

"You want the EE? Take it, it's yours. But trickster, I will burn to the ground."

[ocean field]

that only leaves trickster and inquis

[split maple]

okay to be fair charge duration on tricky is interestign for reap and shit and spellbreaker is legit unique with wicked ward for recovery

but thats kinda not a lot of stuff

[barren river]

y tho

[ocean field]

not tanky gng

[normal hedge]

thats just not true

[ocean field]

get banged easily

[split maple]

pretty sure you can build elementalist tankier than tricky this leg

[barren river]

just stack es like an idiot

[split maple]

golems do be strong

[barren river]

or play penis brand

[ocean field]

yeah ngl wanted to try that

[tranquil sedge]

the witch kinetic fusilade pob u shared earlier, that wasn't even running all full es gear lol

[ocean field]

penis brand trickster

[tranquil sedge]

and not stacking much int

and still almost like 9k es

[ocean field]

yeah and that was not that tanky tbh

[tranquil sedge]

you could have made that considerably tankier

[split maple]

if you want tanky wands do kboc hiero - thats a lot of ES

[tranquil sedge]

i mean that even without all that it was already pretty decent lol

[barren river]

ivory tower?

or ci?

[whole bluff]

I have 8k ES with questionable life decisions and the oppressor on my elementalist

[tranquil sedge]

like just a better helm at the expense of like 5% dps woulda added another almost 2k es

[split maple]

CI

[tranquil sedge]

add a bunch of int for another few k es

etc.

like u could make that tankier for sure

[ocean field]

agreed but I like playing ultimatum sometimes just for fun and it should be able to tank that

[barren river]

what about int acc jugg?

[split maple]

for ultis max hit dont matter much

like rly not

[whole bluff]

25k evasion, capped spellblock, 75% of melee dmg taken from golems before me, CI

[split maple]

recovery matters

[barren river]

it's not like i'll make a 2nd char this league

and i'll not log into poe1 till 3.28

[hard cliff]

basses

based

[ocean field]

gng I didn't even make 1 fully I tried rf witch took her to lvl86 scuffed as hell using blight map and was shredded to pieces in maps

[normal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[ocean field]

then created trickster

[split maple]

rf witch is a levelign setup

[spare ore]

based

[split maple]

it aint a good build

[ocean field]

push to 67 then stopped

switched to standard

[barren river]

WHY

WHY STD?

[ocean field]

yeah I know

too broke to switch

so just quit to standard

the issue was gold

I had to gold to even make the dumbass purchases

[barren river]

gold was the reason why i "donated" a mirror

i asked someone in the standard global to break me a mirror and it got stolen

i forgot to ask for collateral

[normal hedge]

cant say its stolen since you gave it for free

[split maple]

next time ask rilay or smh

without colateral

[ocean field]

break me a mirror

[normal hedge]

i prolly lost all my gold in standard

[ocean field]

tf does that mean

[barren river]

give me the equivalent amount of currency

e.g 1.6k d

[ocean field]

oh

bruh

bro got folded from scamming 101

[split pagoda]

swapping EE out with eblade should still be a very strong build I just don't know if I'd still play it on trickster

[barren river]

basically, this was sold for 1m

[split maple]

i was rly thinking about this and i feel like sabo blind + nimis & bloodline would be the play

just has that 12p clusters for es entry cost

[elfin shale]

What attack has just the highest DE number, is it Vigilant Strike?

[eternal hill]

ppl been using mamba a lot

[split pagoda]

yeah only thing is then ur kinda locked into ms, smite for most gameplay feels way better

[split maple]

yeah idk where to get dps outside of ms nowadays

[eternal hill]

just play frostblade or LS at that point

[split pagoda]

Smite eblade will have solid dmg still on trickster

[stuck phoenix]

raw de?

[barren river]

do you live in 3.25?

[earnest raven]

Time to temple then

[elfin shale]

Yeah

[stuck phoenix]

maybe

[elfin shale]

wait there's probably a page on the wiki for this

[stuck phoenix]

maybe maybe not

[split pagoda]

It's just not smth u would take to crazy high-end anymore

[barren river]

glgl

[stuck phoenix]

it's not actually as useful of a stat as you might think

because skills are balanced based on it

[split pagoda]

Slap some recomb gear on and do t17s/ubers on smite trickster eblade should still be chill

[elfin shale]

I forgot about the retaliates but i was pretty close

[stuck phoenix]

lel

[elfin shale]

what the fuck are you doin here ol buddy ol pal

[stuck phoenix]

divine ire is pretty high up there if you're not just looking at raw DE

[stuck phoenix]

well, that's its only redeeming feature

[spare ore]

damn

[brazen vector]

I should check my 3.26 whispers

[elfin shale]

Does Knockback make the Berserker strike node work consistently or is it still a flicker only node

[brazen vector]

[spare ore]

damn

das good

[brazen vector]

1200d listed 2 months ago

guess we match the price

[spare ore]

undercut by 1div

[sage falcon]

if it didnt sell for 2 months dont expect yours to sell either

but ok

[brazen vector]

I can wait, its std lmao

like who cares

[spare ore]

for the memes

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/tugce-tuğçe-gif-19478399

[whole bluff]

Did I get ghost pinged?

[spare ore]

mb

[whole bluff]

Npnp

[spare ore]

(it wasn't me who pinged)

[whole bluff]

I was confused, but it slowly loaded another chat

And that chat gives notices every message. Maybe just out of sync loading notifications

[barren river]

jesus why didn't you locus it?

[brazen vector]

because I had 500 of them and didnt want to run 500 temples?

[whole bluff]

Yow, that ammy looks OP

A couple 100 ES + the unique effect clearly doesn't seem like a horrible idea right? I didn't think of it as much cuz I played life based in 3.26

Here, see my mana fixer. It also incidentally has the ES of a titanium spirit shield, on my ammy

[spare ore]

the es on that amulet got nerfed

[whole bluff]

Yeah

I'm just talking about its state on release

[elfin shale]

Also has reduced maximum mana for tinctures

[spare ore]

oh

yeah it was super busted

[whole bluff]

Shavs really doesn't deserve to have lower ES than an amulet they would release in current state of the game imo. But /shrug

[split maple]

funky one

[whole bluff]

Hmmm. If I can find a glove and boot with no defence mods, and if bereks respite has no defence mods, I could go shako + fb utula, primordial chain/ashes, dw wands

You just need to use a wagger

Or is it for penance brand with block?

Nvm. 1 mod is wand only, 1 mod is dagger/claw only

[split maple]

yeah its at beast a 2mod megalo and prolly unusuable in general

just looks very close to good 😄

[brazen vector]

[whole bluff]

WHA megalos when

And replica/foulborn megalo that gives masteries when

[split maple]

prolly the only usable one i got today

but idk i dont like having to think about fiting hatred into build

[whole bluff]

I wish there was a support gem that added flat phys to spells so I could get that in shako, put spellslinger flame surge of combusting in shako, and dual wield grace of the goddess

And WoC ignite in body

[spice pecan]

flat phys to spells

[whole bluff]

I suppose

Might even be good to stack that with 200%+ phys as ele ignite

[spice pecan]

replica shroud of the lightless spellcaster

[whole bluff]

Nah, I need more defences

Replica shroud might work for life based though?

[past mantle]

Wtf you can do that?

Sick.

[split maple]

not today ig

back to simul farm

[normal hedge]

sadge

next one for sure

[tranquil sedge]

dw ur just saving up rng for the 1p

hey new CW video

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1qg9z5u/new_chris_wilson_interview_talking_about_diablo_2/

[spare ore]

truee

[split maple]

i need to fix dps on my cws tho, rn simuls take 15-20min each 💀

[normal hedge]

sounds about right if you're afking it

[somber sundial]

Big

[somber sundial]

Same

Do I gamble or just sell the voices

Seeing as how you just did a gamba

[spice pecan]

yeah, gear can have abyss sockets, and eblade still keeps the same sockets as the base of the weapon

[split maple]

not rly a gamba in SSF it is 😄

how much are unid ones anyways nowadays?

[somber sundial]

22div

[spice pecan]

looks like 6d/ea on TFT

[split maple]

you teling me simul hits what 30-40div per hour?

[spice pecan]

22d/ea is what i was selling them for on TFT back in merc league

[split maple]

crazy ass

[somber sundial]

It’s very profitable

[spice pecan]

are they actually selling at 22d/ea on async trade

[somber sundial]

It’s how I got 135div in 2 days

[spice pecan]

that's crazy that they're going for merc league prices lmaoo

[split maple]

how much are simuls?

[spice pecan]

but also they're like 1/4th the cost on tft

[tranquil sedge]

as of when 😮

[somber sundial]

1div = 2 or 2.5 sims

[somber sundial]

As of me selling them

On a sync trade

[tranquil sedge]

i meant
date

[somber sundial]

Standard

[tranquil sedge]

like
today
a week ago

[somber sundial]

Yesterday

[split maple]

lol if i hear anyone complaining about making dough this league i am sending them to simul jail

[tranquil sedge]

sir

he's in league lol

[spice pecan]

oh, standard????

[tranquil sedge]

its 6d in league yes on tft

[somber sundial]

I’m in standard brother lol

[spice pecan]

bruh

[somber sundial]

Tf I do

I just trying upgrade my frost blades lol

16429 Lethal pride is 750 Div in standard, it’s 1div in league

Bananas

And I need it

[split maple]

so ask someone pretty pls to buy it for you in league

and wait a month

[somber sundial]

Nah I got it

All good

Just gotta wait for league to end

[spice pecan]

time to go farm a div in league

[somber sundial]

Hopefully in a month I’ll have farmed at least to level 100

Need a big boy watchers eye, 80 Div

mirror claw + squire is what I’m thinking

But I know I cannot afford

Maybe if I pull a fuckin 1p voices again I’ll just convert into LS

[spare ore]

cooking league when

[somber sundial]

And get settlers dagger with soul gain mod

[split maple]

evvery league is cooking league

[spice pecan]

when they make fishing a real skill

[somber sundial]

Then I brick my puter

[spice pecan]

those ambushers with soul gain mod were spendy as hell even during 3.25

i wonder if you can do perma vaal stuff now without it tho and just use a crucible weapon instead

[short prairie]

It’s not my birthday

[spice pecan]

it is now

[haughty ermine]

happy birthday

[short prairie]

[normal hedge]

ofc it is

[somber sundial]

No idea

[elfin shale]

owieeee

[short prairie]

When’s poo leg start

[hybrid harness]

like 6-7 weeks

[normal hedge]

march 13

[short prairie]

I’m traveling soon so prob not gonna leg start this time

[normal hedge]

again?

[somber sundial]

If I did mirror that weapon, I probably would just setup an alt or something, retain my Uber gear for my frost blades, since my chest is big and so is my shield

[spice pecan]

i had to get a kikazaru and the es regen mastery to sustain mana rf

[short prairie]

March 13 might work

[spice pecan]

and i only have 1400 max mana

[elfin shale]

well there's your issue

[spice pecan]

i'm using it for eblade tho

not mana rf: the build

[elfin shale]

no i mean get lower lol

[barren river]

i hate rf

[spice pecan]

hard to when the build wants a shit ton of int

[somber sundial]

Consecrated path of endurance

[elfin shale]

Fair

[spice pecan]

the only cool slam in the game

[elfin shale]

Perforate 😔

[somber sundial]

I think I’m gonna league start that in 3.28

[elfin shale]

Doryani's Fist 😔

[spice pecan]

perforate kinda wants you to be in blood stance tho right

[finite quail]

not cool

[spice pecan]

which is omega cringe

[normal hedge]

NOT COOL

[pulsar dune]

Crushing fist is nice IMO

[spice pecan]

i kinda wish doryani's fist were good

[elfin shale]

It kind of epitomizes the idea with Blood and Sand stance

Blood for single target and sand for clear

[spice pecan]

but i want to run sand on flesh and stone for not die :(

[elfin shale]

but what about the % more phys damage

[barren river]

unarmed is also very cringe

[spice pecan]

no deal damage when leap slam into deth

[pulsar dune]

Just stack enough stun duration on leap slam

Surely that's reliable

[spice pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_pg1d6yNJI

[elfin shale]

huh. didnt this use to be 30% of leech

[spice pecan]

oh it's been done

[finite quail]

no

[spice pecan]

the second one in that vid is uber

which is even more funny

[past mantle]

Playing ele hit and randomly stunning uber bosses out of their big moves was crazy.

Stun is silly, especially when you don't invest.

[past mantle]

This did get patched out.

I don't remember how but it's gone now.

[elfin shale]

Is there anything that gives Cannot Block

Which isnt a shield

[frigid wedge]

that you cant or mobs cant

[spice pecan]

as in, you yourself cannot block?

[elfin shale]

Myself yeah

[frigid wedge]

oh

[spice pecan]

uhhhh

[frigid wedge]

whats wrong with just having 0 block

[elfin shale]

im wondering if getting something with Cannot Block is less investment than just using Divine Flesh since im using Emp's anyway

I think its just Saffel's and Apple though

[past mantle]

I'm a bit lost, why would you want to be 0% block here?

[frigid wedge]

he wants all to bypass

[elfin shale]

I want damage to bypass my ES so recharge isnt interrupted

[frigid wedge]

es

[past mantle]

Is it for EB?

[elfin shale]

Whispers

so it still blocks my life by default

[past mantle]

Right that makes sense.

You do have to divine shield, yeah. Nothing that makes you unable to block.

[split maple]

kinda funny detail from ssf global - folks are splitting synaptic rings

thats how bad grasping mail situation is 😄

[elfin shale]

da hell dey doin oer dere

[spice pecan]

ssf armor stackers be tryin

[normal hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtISGgVpVw

13yo old video, still lightning strike meta

[elfin shale]

Was Shiversting just like bonkers flat back then or what

[livid quarry]

looks like poe2 tree

[spice pecan]

scion used to be able to take blood magic at level 4

that's hilarious

what a krangled ass passive tree

[elfin shale]

Its all been downhill from there

[somber sundial]

That shield is cool

[unique silo]

if anyone is not busy can they chk my dps on pob pls. zod_108#0981

[finite quail]

wdym check your dps

[unique silo]

pob configs and all that jaz

my pob doesnt work.ssl error

[limpid prairie]

execute as admin

maybe ?

[elfin shale]

wait replica bitterdream kinda goated

[ocean field]

is there any video that explains the mechanics of cast when stunned builds

[finite quail]

you get stunned

spell comes out

[pulsar dune]

The real magic is in the infinite ehp

[normal hedge]

check emiracle on youtube, he has everything explained and what you should know

[pulsar dune]

I believe the bloodnotch wiki page has that

[ocean field]

thanks

also before that the main question

is it possible to make a cws trickster

possible as in it actually can do hard content

[pulsar dune]

Not really

[spare ore]

no

[normal hedge]

you can make it work but trickster would give you nothing

[ocean field]

[pulsar dune]

CWS has heavy anti-synergy with ES, I've seen it on glad since it skips one dot in ultimatum.

[ocean field]

oh so u can't have a CI EWS

?

[normal hedge]

read the ring

[pulsar dune]

But at a baseline it's 50% stun avoid to have es, and your recovery is way worse

And yea, you then have to fix your stun threshold some other way

Tho maybe just the small one you get from not having any life mods as CI is acceptable, idk

[limpid prairie]

Is CI with no stun threshold better than reserving your life if you want to get stunned

[pulsar dune]

Stun threshold is based on max life, not current or unreserved life

[spare ore]

u use valyrium and have almost no es to get stun for life

[pulsar dune]

With CI it's based on your life if you didn't have CI

Which IG means you could use -life reflected rings

But there's still the 50% baseline avoid chance

[hard cliff]

that'd actually insane

so ci has a big stun problem

[pulsar dune]

yes

you can take a mastery to fix it

but mostly click brine king

[hard cliff]

very cool

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/chara-undertale-chara-undertale-gif-19159389

[signal hawk]

is that john undertale?

[brazen vector]

thats glorps Skinsona

[sour depot]

there's a way in poe 1 to make armour apply to elemental dmg?

[signal hawk]

Some ways yes

[sour depot]

how it looks like?

[signal hawk]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Transcendence

[split maple]

doryani and take fire&cold as lightning

[ancient sorrel]

thats pretty hard: heist shield, PoL watcher and ?

[split maple]

pol sublime

maybe some talisman mod? greatwolf?

[tight plinth]

for hits theres the timless keystone

[pulsar dune]

Technically flawed refuge

If we care about armor it's just hits anyway

[tight plinth]

wait thats taken as fire nvm

[ancient sorrel]

30 sublime + 20 perfect watcher + shield is 40

10 missing somewhere, necklace seems pure waste but might be givenup for the archetype

[split maple]

now the real question is how much armor is needed for doryani taken as lightning to be playable

[ancient sorrel]

yes.

[pulsar dune]

200k should be fine

[ancient sorrel]

oh, avian talismans only convert one element: cold or fire

thats a big issue

(5–10)% of Elemental Damage taken as Chaos Damage if 4 Hunter Items are Equipped
this could fill the gap

full focus on armour and positive chaos res

dont care about any elemental resist, put the scepter in main hand an profit

[rich matrix]

is there like 1 method in poe1 that makes the most money or multiple different viable end game farming strats?

temple being the only thing worth doing in poe2 was kinda boring for me

[split maple]

one came out of synther pre-vultured 😄

[hard cliff]

wow lol

[hard cliff]

Very top end is kinda dry right now cause balance changes and it's near end of league so farming options aren't crazy but for your average "juiced t16 (max map level is t17) you generally have a lot to pick from

Alwqays gonna be something that makes the most tho

I think it's super duper juiced blight right now not sure

@split maple
Did you get your build together yet ?

[split maple]

emm which one?

[hard cliff]

You know

that one

😏

[dreamy charm]

what is the fastest way to get the breach boss tokens? i dont seem to be getting many in t16 map breaches

[split maple]

heralder is functional but blocked on few crafts if thats what you mean: https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/marc_aureli-3722/character/IdkFeelsZeroDPS

for kbocer you can see i am working on jewels 😛

[thick goblet]

you get any 3p voices yet

[split maple]

get shitload of coves (either real maps or originator thread on coves that you can spam without killing boss). frostblink in each direction of portal once - thats enough to see breach that spawned. if its fort do it, otherwise open new map

burn maps

[split maple]

i am a profesional 5p voices collector now

[dreamy charm]

ah so fort is where it drops the most? i just do every breach type every map

[split maple]

unstable can only drop them if vruun spawns and rarely at that

the one with dots where you defend ailith canot drop them

you can also try burning mysterious wombgifts with less common drops speced, but thats also rather sadge

[hard cliff]

Now that's cooking

[umbral saffron]

Hello guys, so im a somewhat new player only have 70 hours in the game but i think its time for me to start getting some stash tabs im running out of space and sorting is becoming a nightmare, any tips on what is the most efficient thing to get/do? a friend told me buying poe 2 for the 300 coins and since the tabs are shared between games would be a good idea, but idk if there is any day of the month where we get deals or stuff like that, thanks in advance

[split maple]

buying a supporter pack (poe2 access one is one of these) is good idea

next stash tab sale is in ~11 days

prolyl best to grab currency, fragment, maps and merchant stash tab

[umbral saffron]

Okay thanks i will keep it in mind and buy then 🙂

[stuck phoenix]

As a side note, there are other 30$ packs too

Which would give you cosmetics instead of an Early Access Key

But if your friend has poe2 EA I'd probably go for the poe2 EA key over cosmetics to play with them

[heady cliff]

currency/map/fragments/merchant is a universally recognized basic stash tab pack

[sour karma]

after those tabs its depending on content

if you are farming essence you could use a quad tab..... or the essence tab

[hard cliff]

Welcome @umbral saffron

https://tenor.com/view/stand-cat-gif-27114887

[umbral saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kitty-hello-cute-cat-gif-12376270795471334165

[umbral saffron]

okay nice

and yeah i dont really care about cosmetics

at least not yet lol

[sour karma]

you can get free cosmetics just by playing the league as well from challenges

in-game its the h button i think

[gaunt swift]

you only get those cosmetics if you buy the premium track

oh nvm

I misunderstood

[lean urchin]

stupid crit CHANCE

[sour karma]

still decent just not amazing

[gaunt swift]

Does the fragment stash tab hold every single fragment in the game?

[sour karma]

mostly. there are a few exceptions but those are mostly kirac and expedition things

[gaunt swift]

mkay ty

[lean urchin]

fitting though

[sour karma]

lmao. but hey, it got better

[livid quarry]

thats 10d

[whole bluff]

Man, I got a tailoring orb. Thought I got a bit lucky in my single 4-wing heist. Then I see they're barely worth a divine

Blighted maps, essence, harvest, those actually seem profitable though

Alva is usually way more profitable than it currently is, when leagues have been around this long

Same with Einhar

[hard cliff]

damn that's a lot of crit lol

[whole bluff]

It's like there's an iron blanket on most things atm

Or leaden blanket, idk

[hard cliff]

Wow

Maybe it's one of those weighted blankets for autistic people

GGG is trying to get us to take a nap and chill out

for a league

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blanket-gif-11136986

[solar smelt]

If you take a notable on the passive tree you can't double dip with somthing like an annoit right?

[lean urchin]

correct

[hard cliff]

That's illegal

[solar smelt]

Thought so just wanted to confirm lol

[hard cliff]

Why did ggg add anoints ?

[lean urchin]

??

[hard cliff]

Didn't always used to be a thing

it was added

presumably in blight league and kept

why ?

I have my theories

[solar smelt]

Why wouldn't they add annoits?

It's can be an extremely useful tool for allowing your builds to go further

[lean urchin]

we already had enchants on boots, helmet, gloves from lab

"what if we can enchant jewllery"

[solar smelt]

No one liked doing lab then and still to this day no one likes doing lab

[hard cliff]

I like finishing lab

[solar smelt]

Also enchants from lab weren't guranteed were they?

Either way I don't see why you would be against giving players more agency in the game

[hard cliff]

more choices cheapens all choices

Notables means the skill tree means less and thus class means less

takes away identity

is the counter argument

I don't agree tho I like annoints I think it's fine

Amulet being a heavy slot works anyways

Let that BITCH MADE ring slot know it's place

it needs TWO slots to match ONE amulet

https://tenor.com/view/dnd-shino-shinodira-parash-leif-gif-27114820

Me spending divines

[solar smelt]

That is a counter argument, but the only annoint that matters is amulet one so each class and tree notable would still be valuable

[hard cliff]

everybody gets ONE

[solar smelt]

And that's fine

[hard cliff]

I've got extra curse on my current char 😎

[solar smelt]

Plus it gives blight value outside of being an alternative farm for loot

[hard cliff]

thank you blight

[lean urchin]

what would blight be without oils? just some boring TD

[solar smelt]

A lot of people like the tower defense aspect of blight

Personally I despise it, but to each their own

[lean urchin]

i think A LOT of "td enjoyment" is the loot explosion

[solar smelt]

I also hate ultimatum, but I'm not alone there

A lot of the enjoyment of this game is the loot explosion so it fits in perfectly

[whole bluff]

I dont mind blight, but what I like is that the loot is relatively homogenous

I like getting tangible amounts of something specific, much more than random drops

blight drops a fair amount of divines though in my experience

from the currency sacks

[lean urchin]

without oils this would just be compared time/efficiency to other mechanics. the oils are nice extra spice

[whole bluff]

I like that different content gives different rewards yeah

[solar smelt]

Which I don't think any of the league mechanics should really be compared to each other because they all offer something unique that varies how players enjoy the game. The problem with this community imo is that too many players are pilled into doing things the most "efficiently" instead of just enjoying the game. A mechanic doesn't need to be the best thing for currency out there as long as it's sufficiently rewarding to the players who do like it.

[whole bluff]

I suppose the nice part about this half-dead economy is that I can heist enchant a body armour 2 months into the league without paying a fortune

[solar smelt]

Which is why I want them to bring tota back fully as I really don't see how adding it back into the game would unbalance everything

[whole bluff]

problem with tota wasnt the balance of the rest of the game as much as the balance of tota, imo

[solar smelt]

I didn't think it was unbalanced though?

[whole bluff]

the best builds had CI + EB, and were unhittable

[solar smelt]

What is EB?

[whole bluff]

and just vacuumed the entire enemy team to a void sphere

eldritch battery

[solar smelt]

Ah

[whole bluff]

the implementation didnt work

[solar smelt]

That could easily be changed with making certain mobs such as the leaders immune to the vacuum effect

[whole bluff]

tota was inspired by delve which just didnt work, if it had been inspired by only blight it might have worked

idk if their attempts at insane scaling putting players off too much was the sole reason they just scrapped it, or if they could implement it with blight/sanctum etc -like scaling then they still wouldnt cuz too samey or something? idk

someone made a build that should have one shot ubers in party most likely, and it took only a portion of a max scaled tota leaders hp

so players just vacuumed the enemies instead

in delve the scaling kinda works cuz you decide if you go deeper, in tota you automatically did if you won

[gritty garnet]

you'll have to wait to see how they balance it as the trial type in poe2

[whole bluff]

I think it can definitely work, mobs just need to be immune if there are any obscene CC skills in the players generic toolkit, titanic shells less absurd, scaling like a normal mechanic, maybe some extra tuning and options

I would probably even enjoy it if they added it like that to poe1

[sour karma]

i thought most people also abused minion armires to hit towers quick

[whole bluff]

nah, nothing the player did could deal any relevant dmg iirc

[sour karma]

so golems were the go to

just to delay enemies

[whole bluff]

early on, I had a nice time on SRS, but later on the enemies would kill you or your minions on hit unless it was chaos dmg and you had CI, and players could more or less not make a dent on anything, so you got evade cap, dodge cap, block caps, CI, EB for mana, and used void sphere

[gritty garnet]

it was taunts (minion/totems) that got nerfed, then stuns, then knockbacks

[whole bluff]

ah, fair enough

[urban monolith]

guys for necromancer, hydra spectre is better or frostbearer build ? fast all rounder

[sour karma]

hydra has amazing damage

just low base hp

[gritty garnet]

frostbearer has really good ear damage

[urban monolith]

that's what confusing me

area or projectiles

[sour karma]

t17 or nah?

[urban monolith]

i want t17 later yes

now i am on Summon Reaper build, time to switch

[sour karma]

the only problem with spectres is when they die they leave that zone

golems ignore that

otherwise i though both were solid unless they have changed

there was also a matron spider setup as well though i havent looked into it

[urban monolith]

i don't want them to die 🙁

[sour karma]

they dont really die

[urban monolith]

in ubers they will die

[sour karma]

they just turn specral until you roll ino a new map

[normal hedge]

praw is a really good allrounder

[urban monolith]

praw ?

never heart

heard*

[normal hedge]

poison ranged animate weapons

[gaunt swift]

Is it possible to get a level 21, 23% quality Vaal gem?

[pulsar dune]

no

[gaunt swift]

triple corrupt when

[normal hedge]

next league when they rework alva

be ready to build your snake

[heady cliff]

only in standard

[gritty garnet]

you can even get 30q https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/Y9GwrDSY

[hard cliff]

1 mirror holy crap

[spare ore]

big giant loot explosion from invig strat

[crimson spear]

There might not be an answer to this yet, but when the league ends what will happen to things Breachstones in Standard?

[lean urchin]

we dont have info about that, bet GGG doesnt know yet either

[midnight escarp]

does anyone buy stuff in person anymore? i havent sold a single thing in person this league

[plush gulch]

do you think it would be best in slot for zoomancer ?

[lean urchin]

no. all people i tried to buy from werent responding (mostly pricefixers)

[midnight escarp]

i do prefer the market for buying but not having any stash tabs just means i cant sell anything

[normal hedge]

i'll never check non instant trades ever again lol

also, its just 40 coins, and most people just converted premium stashes

(old players)

[midnight escarp]

yeah ofcourse theyre always cheaper and easier but now instead of premium tabs being ease of use it just feels like a straight necessity

[spare ore]

have had a very few amount of people whisper to buy stuff in person so no people don't really buy in person anymore that much

[vast abyss]

for resetting my atlas i need a crap load of orbs of unmaking in ssf... tujen the best way here?

[sour karma]

you can use gold in kirac

[vast abyss]

oh no way

[sour karma]

also does full resets too

[lean urchin]

are you aware you got more than 1 atlas tree?

[vast abyss]

yah im trying to swap out the 3rd tree since im "done" with blight

i thought gold was only for passive skill points this is great news

only 220k gold! man yall just saved me so much time thank you!

[steady elk]

is it alright to run bleed slams on berzerker instead of slayer?

[elfin shale]

Straight to jail

[livid quarry]

2027

[dim thistle]

End of 2026

[livid quarry]

2028

[dim thistle]

Lol

[steady elk]

PoB it is i guess

[storm shell]

BRUH

[lean urchin]

its like a chain of 5 people, its called a rumour at this point

[thick goblet]

pinging a mod is crazy

[split pagoda]

It doesnt really make much sense to do so

To be clear no it’s not alright

You dont really have any nodes to click

[worldly bridge]

uhhh

shav and brutus are just

frozen lmao

[normal hedge]

they taking a break

[worldly bridge]

i think im just gonna from poe for now idk

ive been wanting to finish this char but ughghghh

this weird bug does it for me lol

dont wanna rerun tower

[hard cliff]

@worldly bridge

league is kindea dead so it's ok

see you in 3 months

[worldly bridge]

well i played to 100 on a chieftan in trade

and wanted to give FB a go for once

[hard cliff]

I've never gotten a single charecter to 100

[worldly bridge]

so i rolled ssf

[hard cliff]

[worldly bridge]

and ju8st been nibbling away at it

[hard cliff]

Flameblast ?

[worldly bridge]

ah yes the flame blast with a blue icon and a sword :p

frost blades

[hard cliff]

🤔

on what ?

[worldly bridge]

warden

big damage

[hard cliff]

Neat

[worldly bridge]

but idk lmao, just kinda uninterested

but i dont have anything else to do

and last epoch is kinda in the shitter from what ive heard

[worldly bridge]

i just cant stop winning ahh image

[normal hedge]

i wonder if they're gonna push s4 to late march since poe1 is early march

it wouild be funny if it had no players lol

[worldly bridge]

i dont know what LE is gonna end up doing, in my eyes they squandered their consumer base with paid classes

i was ok with the accquasition

but once i heard they promised no paid character classes then announced paid character classes?

i was just kind of out

among many other problems with the game balance as a whole

[thick goblet]

also the fact their content cycle is absurdly slow

[proud gorge]

They're adding paid classes to LE? Wild

[worldly bridge]

last that i knew yeah

[normal hedge]

yup

[proud gorge]

that sounds like a case of some producer deciding that the game isn't making enough money and demanding that they increase monetization

[worldly bridge]

im sure the community wouldve been fine with paid expansions instead of classes lmao

[sleek barn]

paid expansions feels kind of weird

[worldly bridge]

thats what most games, especially rpgs, have done for decades

so at the very least theres more precedent for it

[hard cliff]

That's evil

[sleek barn]

the only one I'm aware of is d2

[worldly bridge]

well there are probably loads of niche rpgs that neither of us know about

but afaik its the standard for games as a whole

call of duty has had paid expansions, skyrim, WOW etc

all the big name games

[sleek barn]

hm how does WoW do it?

[normal hedge]

hero siege has a paid act, but it costs $1.50

[sleek barn]

inaccesible area?

[worldly bridge]

no clue how wow does it, never played

[sleek barn]

im only curious for live service games

[candid moon]

I dont think that the current gemeration of gamers would take paid expansions well ngl

[proud gorge]

a lot of MMOs do paid expansions yeah

[candid moon]

One of the reasons I never got in to WoW

[candid moon]

And guess what, only boomers play mmo's

[sleek barn]

what does paying get you realistically

access to more dungeons or smth?

[proud gorge]

I think people would probably be okay with paid expansions in a free to play game, one of the issues with MMO expansions is that they're paid expansions in an already subscription-based game

[sleek barn]

similar to d2 ig

[hard cliff]

I ain't paying for anything

maybe a few stash tabs or a mystery box

as a treat

[candid moon]

Yeah, that just doesnt make sense to me

Just put in a sub and call it a day

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the way MMO style paid content expansions typically work is that paying for them unlocks new areas, new dungeons, a higher level cap, and any items that come from that new content.

[hard cliff]

When FFXIV added a cash shop in a subscription game that was when I knew it was getting clsoe to qutiting time

[proud gorge]

So, as a Path of Exile example, a "paid expansion" version of PoE would maybe include an expansion that unlocks a set of missions and maps associated with the Maven, an endgame system associated with the Maven, as well as the Maven boss fight and all content that drops from Maven-related content (awakened gems, Maven boss drops, etc)

though presumably the map-based content would have to be a bit more significant than it is in PoE

[worldly bridge]

basically anything on the scale of secrets of the atlas, invasion of the atlas etc

where as seasonal leagues would likely stay free

[hard cliff]

you're overthinking this

Leagues cost $5 to play after campaign

boom

mic drop hogan gif

[worldly bridge]

40+ leagues

[proud gorge]

nah, I'm just giving an example of how this sort of "paid expansion" type thing typically goes in an MMO

very few would do the "pay $5 per league" thing

and they're mostly pretty bad MMOs

[worldly bridge]

so uh to ask, any suggestions while i wait for 3.28

[candid moon]

Sub even if it would be more expensive at least feels like youre in control of your playtime instead of "I gotta play this expansion fully or I wasted my money"

[proud gorge]

side note, PoE is definitely an MMO, so it does have some of that incentive structure that MMOs have to push players into buying expansions

that being the feeling of being "left behind" and needing to engage with the newest paid content to "keep up"

[candid moon]

Sure

[proud gorge]

I think a lot of people forget that PoE is an MMO, just not the traditional form of one

[worldly bridge]

i dont consider it one

doesnt feel like it to me

[candid moon]

It just doesn't have raids, that's about it

Not that I'd want them

[proud gorge]

again, that's the point. "MMORPG" has come to refer to a very specific genre of typically tab targeting open world quest-based RPG

but even instance-based party-based RPGs with shared MMO hubs on a main server are definitely undeniably MMOs

PoE just has more in common with something like Warframe

[candid moon]

People called where winds meet an mmo

[lean urchin]

wait how is poe a mmo

[hard cliff]

Massive Multiplayer Online

it's massive

it's multiplayer

and then finally

it's online

[lean urchin]

"massive" didnt know that was playercount

[hard cliff]

It has a world wide server and it's a top ten steam popularity game at league start

[worldly bridge]

i think of all games to call massive poe is one of them

[hard cliff]

(besides china)

[worldly bridge]

is it still niche? yeah probably lmao

i struggle to get my friends to even entertain the idea of poe1 when i show it to them

[candid moon]

Mmo's are niche to begin with

[proud gorge]

the "Massive" in massively multiplayer just means that it's played on a central server that hosts all players

rather than local multiplayer played by 4 guys on a couch

[worldly bridge]

i find this fact so strange, because they feel like theyve been growing and growing since their inception

[lean urchin]

so counter strike is a mmo?

[candid moon]

Isn't it the opposite? Dying overall?

[worldly bridge]

ive always wondered how they arent MORE mainstream. Probably due to some shitty stereotypes of neet gamers or smt

[proud gorge]

or non-local match-based multiplayer played by like 10 guys on a match

[worldly bridge]

i honestly dont know for sure anymore

[lean urchin]

that makes more sense ye

[proud gorge]

all PoE players inhabit a shared server, which is why you can see random players in towns

[hard cliff]

The trading market is

[worldly bridge]

(except china, because asian gaming markets are HUGEEEE)

[candid moon]

It's because mmo's are slower games overall

[proud gorge]

and match up with random players at the party finder in town

[candid moon]

Delayed dopamine release

Younger ppl prefer faster dopamine

[worldly bridge]

poe has some of the most instant dopamine ive ever experienced lmao

[candid moon]

Well, poe is not a standard mmo

[worldly bridge]

fair

[candid moon]

Was talking about more traditional

[proud gorge]

PoE just lacks some of the features we'd commonly associate with instance-based multiplayer games, those being "raid" type content that is designed around full party play, as well as party queues to match up for said content

[candid moon]

WoW costs an arm and a leg to get in to, ff14 idk, gw2 is dated

[proud gorge]

imagine queueing for a map

[candid moon]

And most other mmo's are just trash

[limpid prairie]

It does have PvP

[proud gorge]

yeah, but not only does nobody really do it, PvP isn't really a feature highly associated with MMOs, just something that typically tends to be included anyways

[candid moon]

PvP being main focus in an mmo usually comes with a catch of being card swiping simulator

[proud gorge]

hmm, I suppose the question is if a Rust-like counts as an MMO

[candid moon]

Throne and Liberty, Blade nd Soul

[proud gorge]

a Tarkov-like definitely doesn't, that's just a match-based multiplayer game with a very large match size

[candid moon]

I mean if you want to really stretch the definition you could say rust is an mmo

[proud gorge]

Battle Royales in general are just very large match-based multiplayer

but Rust is played on a (semi-)persistent world

[candid moon]

But then mmo starts to lose meaning as a term

[proud gorge]

I mean, Rust is definitely a border case

because either it's a match-based multiplayer game with really long matches that anyone can join at any time during the match

or it's a server-based MMO with a lot of servers and very very short "seasons"

[worldly bridge]

its uh

survival strategy?

[candid moon]

I'd put Rust in a category of Rust

[worldly bridge]

i think strategy fits rust kinda well, with it being large scale and kinda team based but not like persistent

yeah that why people call 'em "rust likes" lmao

[proud gorge]

I mean, genre has very little to do with if it's an MMO or not

MMO and RPG are the two halves of the term MMORPG, but you can have non-RPG MMOs

they're just a lot less common since pretty much everything has an RPG element crammed in these days

[worldly bridge]

people like the gamba

and the progression

[hard cliff]

If you have 12 players in one team it's an mmo

[proud gorge]

but I'd call Warframe primarily an MMO third person shooter, with RPG elements

rather than an MMORPG

[hard cliff]

I played that bit back in the day

realized it was just grinding to grind to grind and quit

don't like games like that

[lean urchin]

what do you think poe is

[proud gorge]

it's hard to think of any non-progression MMOs, though, since the progression element is pretty embedded into MMOs

[hard cliff]

Dress up simulator

[proud gorge]

MMOARPG

[worldly bridge]

how fast can i age my cpu

[hard cliff]

Sea of Thieves

[worldly bridge]

rsi speedrun

[proud gorge]

PoE is an MMOARPG, to distinguish it from match-based ARPGs like V Rising

lmao

but also not lmao V Rising is straight up a Rust-like ARPG

[hard cliff]

I don't think rust invented survival crafting rpgs

[proud gorge]

nah V Rising is genuinely a rust-like, it's played on a semi-persistent rust-style server where you have to build a base but the server keeps going even when you log off and other players can raid your base and steal your stuff

[candid moon]

Doesnt matter who did it first, only who did it right first

[proud gorge]

and you have to keep your base fed with resources so that it doesn't degrade

[candid moon]

Fortnite/pubg were not the first BR games but they are both basically pioneers of the genre

[lean urchin]

who cares who was first lmao

[worldly bridge]

like.. most people?

its important who gets in the door first

no one is gonna remember the crappy mobile BR's because fortnite overshadows them so hard

even in its earliest days

[proud gorge]

the thing that distinguishes Rust-likes from the more generic survival crafting game is the persistent server that keeps running while you're asleep, so as a result other players can raid your base while you're asleep

[worldly bridge]

no matter how innovative older games are the more popular ones will always have a step up in some regards

[candid moon]

Fortnite wasnt first tho

[worldly bridge]

thats what im saying

[hard cliff]

Riot stole the Dota 1 gameplay and then invented a genre called "moba" to try to get people to stop calling league a dota ripoff (which it is)

Now people unironically think league of legend guys got to rename the entire genre off their theft

[candid moon]

Misinterpreted then

[worldly bridge]

oh well. yeah pubg

[hard cliff]

My hot take since we're on this topic anyways

[worldly bridge]

i assumed yall understood me

[proud gorge]

there might have been some other games before rust, but I call it Rust-like just because that's the most well known example of the genre

[worldly bridge]

pubg and fortnite did it both at the "same time" basically

[proud gorge]

same reason why they're called Rogue-likes, because Rogue was the most well known example of the genre back in the day

eh nah

[hard cliff]

Fortnite would be better if it had more serious gunplay