1┃general

[silent leaf]

[jagged raven]

but he dropped me a banger lol

lmao

thats like a 100div nebulis lol

[umbral crag]

Gg time to farm uber cortex fr, 800d/hr strat

[jagged raven]

omg!!!

its 300div!!

[split maple]

that feels kinda almost sane

[jagged raven]

no way ill get another one lol

[umbral crag]

Gg 2400d/hr strat lets go

[jagged raven]

xD

[split maple]

or into 1 in 3 split 🤔

eh no, fucked up the config. 1 in 414 harvest

[fickle glen]

When it comes to magic attack is it spells that don’t miss or elements that don’t miss?

[thick goblet]

what

!dmgsources

[covert swan]

PoE 1 has 4 damage sources:

• Attack
• Spell
• Damage Over Time
• Secondary
  These are mutually exclusive, so for example, Damage Over Time is never considered Attack Damage or Spell Damage. And therefore, stats like "#% increased Spell Damage" don't affect DoTs, even those applied by spells.

Note that some Gems have lines such as "Modifiers to Spell Damage apply to this Skill's Damage Over Time effect" which can make additional modifiers apply to the skill's damage.

This game has 5 damage types: Physical, Lightning, Cold, Fire, and Chaos. A hit can have several damage types at once, or just one. DoTs will only ever have one, but an enemy can be suffering multiple different DoTs at the same time.

[rancid mantle]

coming from poe2 (havent rly played poe1 before) what builds would you guys recommend for newer players?

i usually stuck to caster/mage builds in poe2

[thick goblet]

!guides

[covert swan]

A short list of places to find builds for new players:

Maxroll.GG's leaguestarter buildguide section has high quality build guides

If you are more into video guides, a playlist by the youtuber Zizaran, he also has a bunch of other video guides for new players.

A collection of minion build guides created/ curated by GhazzyTV

You can also always find popular builds on the Builds section of Poe.ninja, but those aren't really guides, just snapshots of live player builds without any explanation for what makes them good or not good.

[rancid mantle]

ty

[fickle glen]

Like if a spell have physical damage does that mean evasion can’t evade it?

[thick goblet]

did you read the bot message

[fickle glen]

No it was too much

[jagged raven]

so i dodge the balls
but what do i do when he does a aoe blast thing?

nvm he ded

[proud gorge]

if he goes the really big AoE attack, you have to go to one of the corners of the arena

and the balls just weave between the balls yeah

or blink over them

I don't think he normally does an AoE at the same time as the balls

or anything at the same time as the balls

[jagged raven]

i died to the aoe before the balls spawned
but he ded now

[fickle glen]

Well google says I can’t

I guess Acrobatics keystone passive is the go to then

[thick goblet]

acrobatics is one of the worst nodes in the game

[fickle glen]

Not fun getting obliterated by a boss that does bleed damage through spells

[thick goblet]

don't click it

[worldly wind]

lmaocrobatics

[split maple]

bleed damage through spells?

[thick goblet]

not possible

[fickle glen]

Yeah

Same boss from the main story I found in a map

Malegarius or something

Don’t remember his name

The same boss that the gemling queen cries over

[split maple]

you sure its bleed and not corrupted blood or smh?

[zinc stump]

Malachai?

[split maple]

since spells cannot bleed at all

[fickle glen]

Isn’t that the same thing?

[zinc stump]

No

[fickle glen]

Him

I could not dodge any of his attacks so I assumed it’s spells and it 1 shots me

[grizzled lily]

melee

[zinc stump]

It is not, he does physical attacks himself iirc

[fickle glen]

I have 78% spell suppression but no armor

And 69% evade chance

[zinc stump]

Not enough to tank abilities

[fickle glen]

It’s why I am thinking acrobatics will fix the lack of armor

Since I. An completely dodge those physical spells

I can*

[undone gazelle]

acro is the worst notable to get, 78% chance to suppress spell damage would only give you 39% spell dodge, assuming this is without lucky chance

[fickle glen]

I can fix that with a few refunds

[thick goblet]

but then why wouldn't you just take 100% suppress if you can do that

[fickle glen]

He still 1 shots me even with that 40% damage reduction

[thick goblet]

post pob

and map mods

[undone gazelle]

getting to 150% chance to suppress spell is hard lol, your body armour might already be locked in with hyrri

[fickle glen]

The map is no longer there, it was a kirac mission

But it’s the core

Map name

[fickle glen]

I don’t know how to link my profile

[silent leaf]

I imagine this guy saying *Sup"

[covert swan]

To link your profile, log in to the website and follow these steps https://puu.sh/v17at/5ee63f8fb9.mp4

Then, copy paste the current URL at the top of your browser window, and paste it here.

--

To link to specific characters: use the following format
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Your Profile/characters?realm=ONE of (pc|sony|xbox)&characterName=Your Character

example for PC: https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/SynergicFuture-0634/characters?realm=PC&characterName=YellowOneFPSDeath

[fickle glen]

That video shows how to do it on computer

[thick goblet]

your phone is a computer

and it has written instructions

please habibi read

[undone gazelle]

here just linking the name for me is fine
https://pobb.in/zA58sJsDV3mn

[fickle glen]

I tried it before but it didn’t work

[undone gazelle]

if there is a space in the name, you need to substitue it with a "+"

[thick goblet]

you should have 3 times the life currently

[thick goblet]

ty

you typically want 3-4k life by the time you finish the campaign

[fickle glen]

Ugh I’ll have to sacrifice a lot of damage for that

[thick goblet]

you've avoided all the life on the tree and have no life on your gear

[thick goblet]

your dps is 0 while you're dead

[fickle glen]

I been playing very evasive shooting from distance and always running loool

[thick goblet]

also you're doing way too many loops in your passive tree, you typically want to maximise the number of notables you're taking and minimise the number of travel nodes

[opaque sphinx]

y

wrong claw

[zinc stump]

Right claw

[earnest raven]

I have some life

[zinc stump]

Sir you're missing some

Use a life flask to heal up to full

[opaque sphinx]

what the fuck if u hit alt w on an item it pulls up wiki page for it

[fickle glen]

I don’t think I can much to my health right now since I don’t have any other gears but I will work towards it

[zinc stump]

Really

[opaque sphinx]

try it

[zinc stump]

Bitch im on phone

[opaque sphinx]

smh

[zinc stump]

How is the kira

[opaque sphinx]

im chillin hbu

[zinc stump]

Got woken up at 6 am

Dying

[opaque sphinx]

y

[zinc stump]

Cat went MRRROW

[opaque sphinx]

F

[zinc stump]

Kira kira we remove fnf next league yes

[opaque sphinx]

fnf?

[zinc stump]

Flesh n flame

[opaque sphinx]

oh

why

?

[zinc stump]

Doesnt exist in ssf thus fuck trade

[split maple]

in ssf its fof

flesh or flame

[zinc stump]

Amen

[opaque sphinx]

fuck lol

more likely almost a W

[jagged raven]

does uber elder shaper always drop it ?

[opaque sphinx]

1/3

[jagged raven]

oh

darn it shouldve sell it unidentified

[split maple]

does tornado - spellslinger - inspiration actually work for gaining insp. charges?

i see some folks using that on ninja

[warm forum]

You could try rerolling watchers eye with beasts

Got a few nice WE off those

[jagged raven]

which beast?

[stray sedge]

can forbidden rite projectiles return to you after exploding? I'd assume not, but an interesting thought

[opaque sphinx]

it wants to give me it so bad

[steel light]

div reroll it

[opaque sphinx]

i hit more likely and it died

[jagged raven]

devs really want us to use a mirror for a challenge!

[steel light]

15/20, and u're complaining about mirror?

[opaque sphinx]

chaos res smg

annuled all att

ded

[jagged raven]

not complaining just funny

[umbral crag]

Urgh spent 200+ scouting reports wondering why no einhar mission, only to realise i ran out of red kirac missions >.>

Faints

[steel light]

it's a crafting currency, as stated, someone might really be using the mirror on a good rare and fulfill 1/20 without trying

[fickle glen]

What is the max chance to evade attacks?

[umbral crag]

95 iirc

[steel light]

90?

[umbral crag]

Im already at 92 so defo not 90

Fairly certain its 95%

[steel light]

nvm i googled, 95%

[fickle glen]

It goes to 90 without having to maximize it? Like how resistance work?

[steel light]

you can only reach this 95% cap on your evade chance through a combination of high evasion and debuffs like Blind or Enfeeble, making it incredibly difficult to hit the cap consistently without relying on other defenses like Armour or Energy Shield.

[umbral crag]

You need something like 90-100k evasion just to hit 90%

[thick goblet]

there's no +max evade chance if that's what you're asking

[fickle glen]

Is it also area related?

[proud gorge]

man, as much as I like the idea of the Cast on Portal jank-ass meme build, in practice after looking at it it seems really annoying to actually build

[umbral crag]

Its level related

[fickle glen]

Yeah that was Ty

[proud gorge]

since it's one of those builds that doesn't actually function at all until it gets its core items at level 80

so I'd probably just have to level it entirely as something else

[fickle glen]

So the higher level I get the lower it gets?

[umbral crag]

I mean, just read the evasion page on poewiki if u want to know much more?

[fickle glen]

Ok my bad

[umbral crag]

Iirc it interacts with level of monsters only coz higher level monsters have higher accuracy. So its more accurate to say its acc vs evasion?

Someone can clarify

[undone gazelle]

its on the poewiki

[umbral crag]

Yeah that was it then

[proud gorge]

I've already spent like 1.5 div buying items for the Cast on Portal meme build, but man do I not want to have to level to 80 on not the build that I'm here to play

that sounds super painful

I'll have to figure some other way out to sort of play the build up until I hit 80

and honestly it's probably going to end up being CWS

[opaque sphinx]

are u in game

[umbral crag]

In 10min, sup

[opaque sphinx]

was gonna say hit alt W on an item

i learned today this opens wiki page for it

[umbral crag]

Thats new to me too

[split maple]

do lightning res stack kbocers rly settle on 80% hit chance or am i missing something

like looking at this dude: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/lemajor777-1865/Humki_KOTF?i=0&search=class%3DHierophant%26skills%3DKinetic%2BBlast%2Bof%2BClustering

[opaque sphinx]

annuled int go agane

os that a settle and sell

never

[steel light]

why are u rolling dual wield?

[opaque sphinx]

its same as claw

int acc dual wields them

[proud gorge]

I mean, that particular build does seem to have 80% hit change against pinnacle bosses, yeah, but higher against just regular enemies

[steel light]

believe in the foulborn exalt

[opaque sphinx]

martial prowess, annuled int, gg go agane

[steel light]

skill issue

[proud gorge]

maybe they just don't feel like they need more accuracy than that

for the content that they're intending to do

[opaque sphinx]

annuled es then int

[steel light]

how fast are u burning through 9k lifeforce?

120 rolls right?

[split maple]

looking at sebk so way higher budget he swaps wand mastery to int to acc

then just has shitload more int

ig we can settle early on 90% hitrate whatcanyoudo

[proud gorge]

makes sense yeah, the build does get a lot of int, so the int to accuracy mastery does make sense

but yeah, there's some accuracy nodes right there, directly adjacent to the path

they could even go for the global accuracy nodes next to Scion for the extra ES or something

[umbral crag]

You doing a kboc hiero?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Acuity is literally right there

[opaque sphinx]

10k per d

[split maple]

yea was my main maper for most of league, i only swaped to pbod like last sunday

[proud gorge]

wait lmao, I just realized there's two completely different masteries that both give int to accuracy for wander

[split maple]

curently a pretty budget one: https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/marc_aureli-3722/character/OldManOfClustering

but i droped 100% adorned yesterday so now i want to try that lightres concept

[split maple]

they stack yeah

[umbral crag]

Ssf?

[umbral crag]

Dayum HAHA

[split maple]

yea

[proud gorge]

Accuracy mastery that gives "gain accuracy rating equal to your intelligence" and wand mastery that gives "intelligence is added to accuracy rating with wands"

and they took neither of them

despite being an int-stack wander

very silly

[split maple]

they cannot take accuracy whell without swaping all 4 voices to 1p

and the wand one yeah its silly not taking it

+1 proj doesnt add so much via overlaps to compensate for loss of accu

[proud gorge]

but yeah, maybe I should just sell this Vitality sublime vision back onto the market, I bought it intending to use it on Cast On Portal but turns out that build is super annoying to level for

ah well

[split maple]

Okay I think the concept is there: https://pobb.in/yT-kTetSE2vh

Jewels are gonna be pure ass + I am too scared to pob one good synth each, but already nonsynth it looks better than non-stacker

I am rly not excited about simuling for 2x 3ps too

[steel light]

how are you even gonna get so many voices?

[split maple]

Two of them are 5p

[thick goblet]

how much unreserved mana

[thick goblet]

at least you already got cws setup

[split maple]

14490 before reservations, 4512 after

[split maple]

yeah but its still 3% to id 3p or better and lets say 1 voices per 4-5 simuls on avg = 250 simuls or so expected

[tranquil sedge]

you gonna alt spam for these? how much simulacrum is that as well o.O

[split maple]

gonna be a long weekend

[split maple]

its 700 alts each into annul-aug at ilvl83. barely sane

like it feels barely feasible to pull this off before end of league, but if i got 100% adorned i kinda must do smh with it 😄

[tranquil sedge]

only way to make that somewhat* sane will be making like 30 of them at once to spam properly

[tranquil sedge]

also
lmao
thats a lot of alts

[opaque sphinx]

annuled int gg go agane

[tranquil sedge]

how good is reforge lightning on them

into annuls

[split maple]

1 in 400 into 1 in 3 split

[tranquil sedge]

ouch nvm

[umbral crag]

I have a kboc hiero at 93 before deciding to switch to int acc stack lmao. If i ever farm a simplex and a mageblood to swap i might try kboc hiero again

[split maple]

kinda funny that at 3 mirr net worth my main issue is alts

[umbral crag]

True story

Wish i can relate to 3mirr net worth tho kekw

[split maple]

i was hella lucky this league

[tranquil sedge]

what is the giga lightning res overcap for?

[split maple]

foulborn choir gives % mana from half of overcap

[tranquil sedge]

ooo

[split maple]

but i commented out that line since pob is bugged with it and hiero's es from mana

so its in custom config

[thick goblet]

at least you can make jewels during simus

[umbral crag]

How much are the choir right now btw

[tranquil sedge]

only if he has an afk build right

[split maple]

yea https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepersssf/character/marc_aureli-3722/SoftcoreSoon

[tranquil sedge]

o nice

i forget can u access stash during simulacrum

[split maple]

100d for dbl foulborn

[umbral crag]

Holy 90 div

Whats the other foulborn stat?

[split maple]

3% max lightning res instead of that 20% incr mana

[umbral crag]

Interesting

Oh wells, guess im not playing up till that investment for kboc kwkw

[split maple]

this item is going to giga break standard btw -> bugged fire res chest + chieftain (ff) to get lightning res + that

[tranquil sedge]

LOL

nice buy me a souvenir copy when u exit the league 😄

ill buy it from you in standard

[opaque sphinx]

yeah u have 240k+ es with that setup

[split maple]

thats the latest cookery i saw: https://pobb.in/aYAIWy9ff3Mb

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1qc2r2d/potential_strongest_standard_build/

[tranquil sedge]

what the fuck is that number lol

[fickle glen]

This is not bad at all my evasion and spell dodge are working greatly and I am still able to kill but a lot slower

[opaque sphinx]

surely

t2 all res

[tranquil sedge]

layers like evasion and dodge work until they dont, they're not sufficient on their own

you still look like you have way too little life unless ur playing some specialized build to handle that

[thick goblet]

i saw a newer one posted today i think

[opaque sphinx]

annuled int gg go agane

[fickle glen]

Just poorly geared

I’ll focus on life on the next pieces I get

[tranquil sedge]

*something something self-proclaimed settle crafter *

[split maple]

gonna migrate a few bases to trade and try to liquidate them 🙂 idt i will have anything left liquid after these bloody jewels

[tranquil sedge]

no worries lol, ignore that then

dont put effort into it

[opaque sphinx]

[steel light]

if i'm gonna be lame and play for next few years, let all my mirrors from league gather onto standard, what build is the most faceroll-able if i'm gonna mirror all gears?

[split maple]

finished version of that once std peeps figure out all the broken stuff

[opaque sphinx]

annuled int again gg

[steel light]

have you tried improving your annul skill stats?

[opaque sphinx]

i hit regen first and annuled it off

then slammed the t3 att

[steel light]

demostration of skill issues right here

[tranquil sedge]

surely this is a settle moment right

[umbral crag]

Have you tried annulling the cluster out of existing instead

[opaque sphinx]

nah

[umbral crag]

Rip

[opaque sphinx]

im upgrading from this

[tranquil sedge]

o

[umbral crag]

Nah, int and attr should never be settle for the build

[opaque sphinx]

my other one is a settle

[umbral crag]

Yiur fractured base is more expensive than t3 attr iirc

[opaque sphinx]

can settle with t2 cuz at least the 35 does something then

but t3 is a nogo

[steel light]

what is the 4th passive u're looking for, t1 att?

[opaque sphinx]

ye

more of this

[steel light]

did u pob to see the diff between +3 and +4 att? int and es are max roll, good enough to save the headache

[opaque sphinx]

+3 i am fine with

[steel light]

12 att

[opaque sphinx]

but that was +2

so it had to die

[steel light]

what are the diff for 24 attribute then?

[opaque sphinx]

24 is a lot

[split maple]

24 flat with how much % that build gets...

like whats the total diff for you there Kira?

[opaque sphinx]

its also more than 24

[umbral crag]

For a build that stack all stats, 24 all atr is a lot

[opaque sphinx]

cuz +4 is +5 but +2 is only +2

here is an example

i have an abyss jewel that give 15 flat int

if i take it off, i lose 31 int

[steel light]

ur t3 and t2 result in 24 attribute due to round up and down, i'm not comparing t3 and t1

[opaque sphinx]

ah

still yeah thats like 40 int/30 dex and 27 str

ish

more

50 int+

thats like 7% more dps

but yeah i just wasted 13d on that now i go back to making money

i wanna try some meatsack strat

[split maple]

if you do pls take note for me of how many alts drop when conversion modifier decides to fuck your loot 😄

[opaque sphinx]

i wonder tho if divinity meatsacks any good

[split maple]

yo Senses long time

[short prairie]

No see

I went to Warframe

[whole bluff]

Now we just need Srev and we have 3 apples in a pod

[short prairie]

[split maple]

@tranquil sedge cmon there

[tranquil sedge]

🍎

[opaque sphinx]

wait what do divinity mods even do anymore

if they aren't linked to reward mods

or does a pantheon touched mob guaranteed always have 1 reward mod?

[split maple]

i think its mainly just more mods for purpose of scarb drop per rare monster mod

[opaque sphinx]

mm i see

[split maple]

yeah they dont have conversion line anymore

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I am surprised how small the difference is between 5.8k ES with 60% spell block and 8.2k ES

Subjectively in t16.5 or t17

I might just run double foulborn oppressor on CI

[split maple]

there isnt much stuff that does one 6k hit yeah

[whole bluff]

Yeah

I also currently have like 79% of melee dmg taken from my 3 stone golems of safeguarding before me. So dealing with spells would be big, and oppressor does that well

The double foulborn that is

Also I probably want a jade flask, ranged attacks go through my defences atm

But with that, I should have some stuff vs most stuff

[frigid wedge]

there is another

[short prairie]

[potent horizon]

any cold snap of power enjoyers

[steel light]

never seen him in my entire life

[frigid wedge]

meant to be mine, i just never decided if i wanted to use it

[whole bluff]

Grocery list: actual boots (I use seven league step at lvl 89), fb^2 oppressor (5d?), fb^2 bereks respite (currently I use both rings for this effect) (60d?), a normal ring, mageblood (120d?)

[frigid wedge]

[whole bluff]

[frigid wedge]

grocery list: the build

[whole bluff]

Yup

[steel light]

are these reward for my meme?

[frigid wedge]

yes

[split maple]

yea i donated the spiked club to the fond

[whole bluff]

1.3k ES regalia, good primordial bond clusters

[frigid wedge]

2 notable?

or 3

[whole bluff]

3

[frigid wedge]

bleh

[whole bluff]

Primordial bond + Renewal + RottenClaws/Raze&Pillage

Atm I waste 4 passives on minion clusters

[frigid wedge]

i just get spiritual aid and use 2 notables so prim is at front

[split maple]

surely you do not need renewal

[whole bluff]

Meh 😭

I suppose maybe not

[split maple]

like getting a lil bit life/es and chaos/some res small is more value than renewal

[whole bluff]

My current clusters have primordial bond in the back though

[split maple]

now that is issue yeah

harvest reforge life until prim + any of rene/rotte/raze is kinda quick

[frigid wedge]

rotten claws on its own pushes primordial to the front

cant remember which other ones

[split maple]

renewal, raze, rotten are all inback on 2-notable with bond

[frigid wedge]

v i always think multiple ppl are typing when ur about to send smth

behold, my big

the other 2 have life and same 2 notables and one has regen the other has chaos res

so unhelpful

[split maple]

ffs i forgot to exalt my clusters again yesterday

[honest heart]

Quick question: For Lightning arrow deadeye, Is higher flat phys on the bow more important to focus on or is flat Lightning?

[split maple]

poe1 or poe2?

[honest heart]

2

[split maple]

then #2┃general

[honest heart]

it's dead

it's basically the same skill+systems

[split maple]

why do you think you will get answer in poe1 chanel then

[split maple]

and no its not, since damage conversion in poe2 is totally different

which is why no one sane in poe1 is doing phys and lightning on same bow

[tranquil sedge]

yeah, no, it's not

[lean pebble]

I need a hug

[fickle glen]

Am I able to place 2 modifiers on my bow if both suffix and prefix are available for it?

[tranquil sedge]

also #2┃general is literally not dead they're active, idk what ur on about

[tranquil sedge]

not 2 crafted mods unless you can exceed the limit of 1 crafted mod

such as by using 'can have up to 3 crafted mods' crafted mod for 2 divines

[frigid wedge]

s a m e

but like

a really long hug

[tranquil sedge]

huuuuuuuuuuuuug

[frigid wedge]

couple hours

[fickle glen]

Ok ty

[tranquil sedge]

note that 'can have up to 3 crafted mods' itself is a suffix

so you'd need 3 free mod slots in total

[fickle glen]

Do some gears come with those words?

[tranquil sedge]

no

its a benchcraft

[split maple]

its very very rare heist enchant

like dont rely on getting it

[tranquil sedge]

the heist enchant is so rare ur better off just going for some mirror tier gear instead lmao

its obscenely rare

[split maple]

there is like two crafts where it makes sense to use it yeah and both end with slaping the item on mirror service yea

[fickle glen]

This?

[tranquil sedge]

correct, that's how most people do it

[split maple]

yea time to go finish your atlas completion

[tranquil sedge]

why do you want it though?

[whole bluff]

Idr the exact logic but this sorta works and is often giving the internal ID?:

• Feasting Fiends -> F=6th letter, e=5th letter -> 0605
• Primordial Bond -> 1618
• Raze & Pillage -> 1801
• Renewal -> 1805
• Rotten Claws -> 1815 (this + renewal + primordial bond puts this in the back, meaning internal IDs are at least somewhat out of order)
• Skeletal Atrophy -> 1901 (this somehow always puts PB in back iirc? Maybe not with feasting fiends, but why would you want either this or feasting fiends)

[fickle glen]

To make strong gears

[split maple]

benchcrafts have lower value range than natural mods you know

[tranquil sedge]

you understand that it costs 2 divines to add that craft?

[split maple]

like in 99% of cases you want one benchcraft on item

not more

[fickle glen]

Didn’t know

[tranquil sedge]

based on the picture of your stats you showed earlier im like 99% sure you could buy something for 2 divines

and its probably better than anything you'd craft on a low budget

(depending on build ofc)

what are u tryna make?

[fickle glen]

Ugh these Xbox nerds are greedy they sell stuff expensive

[tranquil sedge]

what are u trying to make or buy

like

[barren river]

Then go to PC

[tranquil sedge]

what gear

how do you know that its all expensive gear and not just you not searching properly

[fickle glen]

Just something to get by until lvl90+

[tranquil sedge]

okay what you gotta understand about this game
that's way too vague an answer

but if all you need is generic gear with some resists or stats or defences like that's nothing special

when i ask 'what gear do you want' what i mean is WHAT MODS do you want on the gear

[barren river]

100% a noob who eats rocks

[tranquil sedge]

is it a body armor with good armor and life and resists

or do you need boots with movespeed and ailment avoidance

or what

like - specifics.

[fickle glen]

Things for ranger bro idk xD

[frigid wedge]

hes been around asking for help alot, hes being better about it recently in terms of listening tho, i will give him credit for that

[frigid wedge]

just grab life and resistances

[barren river]

nope!

[tranquil sedge]

i think you should direct your questions in #1┃after-acts-help if ur done with campaign then tbh

and post a link to your character and state your budget and ask wat ur upgrading

but based on the picture i saw earlier you literally just need life resistances and maybe spell suppress on the armor that is my view

[barren river]

life might brick precise technique

[frigid wedge]

what are u noping

on ranger?

[split maple]

solution to that is never ever getting less life

[barren river]

yea

[frigid wedge]

what ranger is going pt

[tranquil sedge]

where is ur build

can u give a pob link

or character link @fickle glen

[frigid wedge]

over just crit

[barren river]

early league

[split maple]

elehit campaign setup

but like it never makes sense to stay PT

[undone gazelle]

here i exported it before have a go at it
https://pobb.in/KeR5dR801_8v

[frigid wedge]

icl im not convinced he would yo pt

he doesnt even have the accuracy for it

[split maple]

okay dude isnt using PT

[frigid wedge]

[split maple]

grab more life

[frigid wedge]

you need high tier life everywhere

[tranquil sedge]

so
literally just looking for evasion life resists and attributes

[frigid wedge]

literally everywhere

[fickle glen]

I did get my life from 1.3k to 1.7k

[tranquil sedge]

people have that much life in act 6 or 7

[frigid wedge]

and to take life on the tree

ur not allocating life wheels

[barren river]

you need at least 3k life to do t16

[undone gazelle]

stacking suppress chance for acro is a choice

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[fickle glen]

I did get it to 75 tho

[frigid wedge]

man hasnt got a single skill point into a life wheel

[upbeat trail]

Is something wrong with the server today? I keep getting ping spikes

[frigid wedge]

1 or 2

[barren river]

this setup is more scuffed than my first manaman

[upbeat trail]

1

[barren river]

and that's a build i refuse to show

[frigid wedge]

oh no idea then

havent for a while

[frigid wedge]

can we see

[barren river]

it's voided

[upbeat trail]

aight thanks anyway

[barren river]

voided and deleted

[whole bluff]

I show people my after 20k hours build that was limited to t7 maps, but I died a little inside every time

[fickle glen]

And my evade chance is 95 as well!

Well 94 actually

[barren river]

evasion is trash

[proud gorge]

hmm, poewiki seems to be down?

[fickle glen]

Need 1 more point for 95

[proud gorge]

how am I going to learn how Shock works now

[fickle glen]

But it’s a ranger’s defense lol

[proud gorge]

oh wait nvm it's working

I guess it's just very slow

[tranquil sedge]

like here's a body armor for 100c with okay rolls considering console market for example if you need chaos res, or body armor for 10-20c if you just need suppress instead

things like that

be creative with ur searches, even on console you should be able to find things to buy for cheap.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/xbox/Keepers/KlmovBKqU5

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/xbox/Keepers/8rzoEyD8FV

[tranquil sedge]

evasion is ONE LAYER of defence

it is NOT enough on its own

[barren river]

the defence is to deal more damage

[tranquil sedge]

95% evasion means you are guaranteed to have about 1/20 attacks hit you

if those hits kill you then you still die

[proud gorge]

evasion is also really bad defense because while it increases your survivability against a lot of small hits, it doesn't improve your max hit at all

[tranquil sedge]

i mean evasion isn't useless as a ranger like yea you will get a lot of it just by being in the southeast part of passive tree

[whole bluff]

With evasion you still need to survive spells, secondary damage, and bad luck vs attacks

[tranquil sedge]

but don't think its enough on its own

[barren river]

also, go tornado shot omni

[tranquil sedge]

e.g. a simple set of defensive layers on ranger could be lots of life, evasion, some form of life recovery (depending on ascendency could be leech or life flask or regeneration), and spell suppression + capped resists

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[undone gazelle]

tbf, what is that build aiming for Habibi in terms of DPS?

[proud gorge]

typically, in PoE, your "tankiness" is typically determined by three factors. Your max hit (ability to survive individual large hits), your mitigation (ability to ignore/avoid some percentage of hits), and your recovery (ability to recover from those hits)

[tranquil sedge]

lets not troll the guy just yet lmao

[frigid wedge]

man said he likes explosive arrow so he socketed explosive arrow

[fickle glen]

I am just missing life and chaos resist according to that

[proud gorge]

max hit and recovery are the most important aspects, and with sufficient recovery you don't even need mitigation

[barren river]

tornado shot is better(though bow skills are ded)

[proud gorge]

since you can just recover from every hit faster than they're being dealt

good mitigation can make up for a lack of recovery, but it can't make up for a lack of max hit

[frigid wedge]

ehots is def simpler from a scaling standpoint

[barren river]

you just need tri ele bow

[fickle glen]

I realized I messed up on the life factor

[frigid wedge]

yes

[frigid wedge]

yes

[barren river]

with +2 arrows and attack speed

[fickle glen]

The dmg is good so far, no fight is lasting longer than 20 sec against bosses

[whole bluff]

I thought ehots and LA were unbeatable on budget for bows, assuming you're doing the standard bow thing (not ignite or chaos dot)

[barren river]

20s????

[proud gorge]

wait I tried to copy that last message since I accidentally sent it without including the (2) point but apparently the copy failed smh

[fickle glen]

I had to sacrifice a lot of offense

[proud gorge]

and after I already deleted it

[barren river]

you are supposed to kill bosses in 0.5s

[fickle glen]

That’s extreme

[barren river]

nope

it's 10m dps

[tranquil sedge]

• you are missing a lot of life yes but luckily it won't be hard for you to fix, get at least 4k+
• you do not have much recovery unfortunately, you need more imo
• you are way overcapped on suppression, you only require 100% so you can drop a few points from that
• i don't know if you should take wind dancer node on tree
• you need a lot more attack speed to play explosive arrow effectively, it's part of why people tend to play that as a totem build instead
• chaos res is whatever you can get it later, even hitting 0% total chaos res is okay
• fix your flasks - ALL of the utility flasks should be enchanted with 'use when charges reach full' and the granite flask + your hybrid flasks are not useful, get a proper life flask + quicksilver flask + whatever third flask you want instead

[whole bluff]

Reasonable imo is like 5-8s on a build without a single target dmg problem, during progression

[barren river]

GET DOWN!

[tranquil sedge]

like 100% just make a post asking for build upgrade help and state your build budget in #1┃after-acts-help or something @fickle glen (along with posting ur pob link) and follow the advice they give you

these are the kind of basics u gotta fix and then the build will feel like 5x smoother after that

[fickle glen]

My suppression is over capped for acrobatics but I didn’t know that stat existed for flasks

[whole bluff]

If you play ignite or CF, idk what time would be acceptable on a tanky boss, but if 20s you should probably decrease map tier? Not that I don't do this in an inefficient way at times

[fickle glen]

Use when fully charged???

[tranquil sedge]

don't bother taking acrobatics just use spell suppress instead

and just cap it at 100% and call it a day

and then increase your recovery to compensate for the extra damage you will take

[fickle glen]

I might once I get higher hp

[whole bluff]

Spell suppression is less investment and reliable, acrobatics is undertuned

[barren river]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/kiperan-7846/Capturinginsect @fickle glen you should do this setup

[fickle glen]

It felt so nice earlier dodging all those spell attacks

[tranquil sedge]

anyway go make the post ^ and follow the build fixes you get told to do

[fickle glen]

They always stun and kill me 😤

[tranquil sedge]

yea
because ur low life

[fickle glen]

Sure

[tranquil sedge]

like you have one problem that causes another problem and then another problem and ur trying to fix the new problems instead of the root cause

[whole bluff]

I guess technically this is the chat where recommending this setup in this situation is completely fine

[proud gorge]

Okay so your defensive profile typically has three aspects to it.

1. Max hit. The amount of max hit you need is dependent on the content you're doing, some content needs very low max hit, some needs very high max hit. Your max hit is easily your most important defensive stat, but as long as you're healthily above the breakpoint you're usually fine. Sufficient excess max hit can make up for lack of mitigation.

2. Mitigation. That's dodge, block, etc. Mitigation helps a lot with regards to making you feel tankier in regular mapping, but the stronger the hits, the less relevant mitigation is compared to max hit. Mitigation also gets way stronger the more you already have. PoB likes to have good mitigation blow up your eHP stat, but often is a lot less effective than actual max hit and recovery. Sufficient excess mitigation can make up for lack of recovery.

3. Recovery, aka, your ability to go back up to full health. This is what will really make you feel tanky, as your health bar just barely shifts even to the largest hits. It helps deal with lots of small hits, it (alongside good max hit) helps to get through a lot of large hits, it's also your primary counter to DoTs, because with enough recovery a DoT is functionally just a debuff to your recovery. Even with bad mitigation, sufficient excess recovery can effectively function as mitigation.

so usually Max hit is the most important, then some balance of mitigation and recovery, depending on your preference and the type of content

[split maple]

4. Damage output

5. Range

[proud gorge]

well sure, but that's not really part of the "defensive profile"

it helps a lot with regards to not dying though yeah

[tranquil sedge]

damage is a defensive layer for most people

[split maple]

You won't see a Ranger with acceptable Max hit

Except pathfinder ofc

[proud gorge]

yeah but I'm talking exclusively about actual defense

[tranquil sedge]

yea but on deadeye that's not feasible

you're not making deadeyes that can really be tanky or anything

[barren river]

deadeye is a meme

[whole bluff]

Pathfinder isn't a ranger, it's a vaaled ranger

[barren river]

stack es

[split maple]

Like sure dude needs to double his Life and get rid of acrobatics

[barren river]

go es and kb

[whole bluff]

It got alcoholism and broken OP status

[proud gorge]

if you're playing a fast high damage build, then quite frankly you're not building a particularly significant defensive profile

[tranquil sedge]

you can make deadeyes that'll take a few stray hits occasionally which is fine that's what he's making but it has to have compensatoyr damage

[split maple]

But deadeye Will have hardass time getting more than Just that baseline

[fickle glen]

My confusion was the amount of stats a piece of equipment can have, like I thought about having high hp but the. Thought that I won’t be tanky with just hp without resistance

[tranquil sedge]

yea but he isn't doing either yet xd
he needs both damage and also baseline defenses

[split maple]

You need Both Life and res

[tranquil sedge]

damage will come from understanding how explosive arrow works and fixing his attack speed and suppor gems

[barren river]

just stack offence

[split maple]

That's the bare minimum

[tranquil sedge]

defenses from life, suppress and resistances and recovery

[undone gazelle]

when you take acro and forgot you dont have spell suppression anymore

[proud gorge]

offense isn't part of your defensive profile, it's your offensive profile, which can make up for some amount of lack in your defensive profile

[split maple]

Luckily provided by treetree for free

[barren river]

and do 75/75/75/0

[proud gorge]

because yeah, in PoE, typically you need to choose how much you want to invest respectively into your offensive and defensive profile. A build can survive on both extremes, and anywhere in-between, but you just have to make sure you're playing to your strengths.

[fickle glen]

I have phasing lol

[split maple]

Sadly most builds cannot get brand attachment range so they need to compensate for that lack of defences by damage

[proud gorge]

personally I tend to invest pretty heavily in my defensive profile over my offensive

which is why I very rarely play Ranger builds

[undone gazelle]

from here

and one other source

[fickle glen]

Doesn’t the dodge count as suppress?

[barren river]

no

[undone gazelle]

no

you gave up suppress for dodge

[barren river]

also, NO ONE uses acrobatics seriously

[fickle glen]

😵‍💫

[barren river]

0.3% use rate on poeninja

[proud gorge]

acrobatics saw use seriously like one time, in Phrecia, but that's just because of that one ascendancy that got a ton of free suppress chance but reduced suppress effect

and honestly I didn't like that build, it had a shit ton of mitigation but like no max hit

so it had the fakest eHP ever

[barren river]

[tranquil sedge]

ehp is such a misleading metric yea

e.g. just slap a recovery on block shield on any build with block chance and it gets inflated so fast

max hits and looking at recovery are 10x more useful

[proud gorge]

oh btw, turns out this Shock stack LC build does in fact need the non-damaging-ailment-effect timeless to hit max shock

even with all the extra shock effect they only manage to hit 66.25% shock effect with Shaper of Storms

with their max being 65%

[frigid wedge]

nice

[proud gorge]

also, man, the price of Forbidden Fleshes are really going down

I got one from Eater a few days ago, priced it at the same price as the rest of the unid'd Forbidden Fleshes at 8 div, but yesterday I checked and the price had apparently dropped down to 6 div

so I priced it at 6 div, but apparently as of today it's now being sold at 830c?

I guess there's just not that many people trying to gamble on FFs right now

[frigid wedge]

ppl want nimis

to drop

and the gamblers are gone

[proud gorge]

yeah

on the other hand, just picked up a nice Militant Faith for a fair price

[frigid wedge]

militant faith is always a fair price tbh

bc ur always just looking for it to not affect any notables

[proud gorge]

I mean this particular one could have been way more expensive

[frigid wedge]

and thats like 90% of the seeds

[proud gorge]

because there's one particular notable that I do actually want

[frigid wedge]

ouch

[proud gorge]

the arcane surge one

and it also has to be on one of the two notables that I don't need

but that I want the wheel for anyways

[frigid wedge]

lul

[proud gorge]

but turns out the second cheapest one with non-damaging ailment effect and elemental res had exactly that

so I got it for a very fair 140

probably because this particular build is being played by all of one guy

so it's not exactly a meta Militant Faith lmao

[frigid wedge]

lmao

are u just copying his lightning conduit

whats the max shock effect on that build

[proud gorge]

65%

[frigid wedge]

is that with any increases to max shock effect

[proud gorge]

yeah, the Lightning mastery

[frigid wedge]

only that or what

i wanted to play archmage lightning conduit icl

[split maple]

well 50 + 15 is 65 yea 😄

[frigid wedge]

automates orb of storms too

[split maple]

how many sources of max shock effect even is there?

[frigid wedge]

idk

[proud gorge]

Two that actually modify it

[split maple]

if i dont see wrongly its just mastery and voltaxic rit

[proud gorge]

and one that overwrites it, Oath of Spring

[frigid wedge]

does shock even go above 100

[split maple]

105% if you take both mastery and rift ig

[barren river]

iirc no

i'm wrong

[proud gorge]

so yeah, unless you're a Voltaxic Rift build, 65% is the best you're getting

[frigid wedge]

yeah but does that even work

[proud gorge]

there doesn't seem to be any reason why it wouldn't work

[frigid wedge]

crackling lance of disintegration gets +20 max effect

[split maple]

for what its worth pob believes it can go over 100

idk about ingame

would be funny to test

[proud gorge]

shock is a multiplicative increase to damage, so there's no reason why it wouldn't work

when going over 100%

it's just a multiplier that's higher than double

[frigid wedge]

same for shock nova

[split maple]

with lance

is it even reasonable getting enough effect of lightning ailments etc on tree to get unconditional 125% no matter the damage of crit

[frigid wedge]

is for archmage

with 2 masteries for shock

1 for effect one for max

[proud gorge]

there's a lightning mastery for mana to shock effect yeah

so it's definitely possible

[split maple]

hmm lightning res overcap increasing mana would also work on shock eff right?

[frigid wedge]

yes

i might have thrown smth together if res crit mod wasnt 120d

obv works without but im a lazy prick

kitavas thirst crackling lance+orb of storms with overcharge support tho seems fun

[proud gorge]

so yeah, theoretically you could probably get some ridiculously high shock effect for LC by using Voltaxic Rift and Disintegration or something to proc a gigantic shock

[frigid wedge]

with lc main

[proud gorge]

but I dunno how worth it that actually is

[frigid wedge]

voltaxic might be fine

again for am

with uh

dark ideation

orr whatever it was

[split maple]

chaos dmg per mana up to 80%?

[frigid wedge]

ye

its not the worst

chaos archmage time

[proud gorge]

chaos archmage bow elementalist shock stack

or I guess shock + mana stack

I doubt you could fit power charge in there also

[split maple]

sadge no one is cooking that

[split maple]

idk if you need elementalist

since voltaxic has chaos dmg can shock

just do hiero

[frigid wedge]

these 2 just benefit lightning skills and shock

[proud gorge]

you don't need it, but without elementalist you're going to be beholden to the Uber Pinnacle issue with regards to shock

so you'd have to build up your shock effect from the baseline of 15% instead of 25%

[barren river]

maybe I should make that

[frigid wedge]

with 300% inc shock effect

?

[proud gorge]

Voltaxic's shock effect only applies to hits with the weapon

not spell hits

[frigid wedge]

1k lightning res -> 1k inc mana -> 300 inc shock

[proud gorge]

oh, that's what you mean

[split maple]

max shock eff and chaos dmg can shock are global on rift

other lines you dont need to care about

[frigid wedge]

honestly i should do this setup

mapping would be mid af tho

[proud gorge]

300% increased shock effect with base 15% shock is still only like 60% shock effect though

[frigid wedge]

[split maple]

you aint doing 0 damage hits tho

[frigid wedge]

might be with orb of storms

on todays episode of: why do we have wither? we have: to make orb of storms actually apply a shock

[proud gorge]

Awakened Unbound for 56%, mana converts into 300%, Overshock on a cluster jewel for an extra 40%...

[split maple]

crit mastery

[proud gorge]

what's the target, 125?

[frigid wedge]

for what

[proud gorge]

the maximum shock effect with Voltaxic

[split maple]

50 + 40 + 15 + 20 (skill)

[proud gorge]

50 base, 40 from Voltaxic, 15 from lightning mastery, that's 105, plus 20 from skill yeah

[frigid wedge]

oh

u considering overcharge support btw

[proud gorge]

so without elementalist you need 800% increased shock effect, with elementalist you need 400% increased shock effect

overcharge is "shock as though dealing more damage", not shock effect

[split maple]

or just 5mil dmg crit, no?

for 25% shock before scaling

[proud gorge]

yeah, with sufficient min damage you need less shock effect

[frigid wedge]

imma be real if u can make orb of storms hit ubers for 5m you deserve the 125% shock

[proud gorge]

I mean in this case it's, uh

whichever one is 20%

shock nova?

[frigid wedge]

mm

[proud gorge]

presumably hooked up to Archmage

because there's very little reason for it not to be linked to archmage

[frigid wedge]

cant link orb to it

and its inconsistent without orb

[proud gorge]

is Shock Nova an orb?

[frigid wedge]

orb of storms

is the entire engine for lightning conduit

[proud gorge]

you can't use Orb of Storms for 125%, since the max shock effect is local to Shock Nova

[potent horizon]

Any reason I should use cold snap of power over normal cold snap or vaal cold snap

[frigid wedge]

thats fine

[proud gorge]

with Orb of Storms you'd be at 105%

[frigid wedge]

to stack power

[potent horizon]

Is it worth it

[frigid wedge]

thats fine

but lc is too inconsistent without orb of storms

so its still going in the kitavas

[proud gorge]

yeah, Orb of Storms is definitely the best option, but I thought we were calcing for maximum possible shock effect

[frigid wedge]

depends if u wanna use spell cascade or not but generally no

[frigid wedge]

its kitavas thirst, just use both in there

or we can put orb into a trigger wand

[proud gorge]

anyways, for Orb of Storms, that's 600% shock effect for no Elementalist, and 320% with elementalist

[pulsar dune]

Cold snap of power is probably better if you want to play cold snap as a hit spell

[proud gorge]

with Archmage covering 300%, you can probably hit the 600% for no elementalist

[frigid wedge]

cold snap of power is the most disappointing spell in the game for me visually

it looks unrendered

[potent horizon]

Yeah I might just focus on winterbrand or normal cold snap since I want DOT

Yeah that's what I felt and considered swapping because of it

[frigid wedge]

orb just cant get am

[potent horizon]

I want a cool looking cold spell I was thinking about winter orb but I hear it got nerfed a while ago

[frigid wedge]

winter orb id fine

its p strong rn

[potent horizon]

Oh word

[frigid wedge]

ppl just dont like to channel

[pulsar dune]

Is it?

[proud gorge]

no I mean the Orb is getting the 300% from the lightning mastery

[frigid wedge]

its projectile bv

[proud gorge]

the mana to shock effect mastery

[potent horizon]

I think I'll level with winterbrand and tilt into orb closer to maps

[frigid wedge]

winter orb rn

compared to before it got buffed

but its cool

also shotguns

[pulsar dune]

IG yea, phys spells are good.

[frigid wedge]

i meant the playstyle

its pure cold

[pulsar dune]

Oh I misremembered

[potent horizon]

That's what I'm looking for just pure cold either DOT or something that makes my screen crazy

Practicing now before next league so I know what it looks like

And then spread cold propaganda

[frigid wedge]

cold dot doesnt work with winter orb btw

its a hit skill and u cant add cold dot to stuff

[proud gorge]

so the other 300% comes from Awakened Unbound Ailments (56%), Overshock (40%), Static Blows wheel (50%). From there, though, the other 154% is a bit harder. 50% from crit mastery, I guess, assuming you hit 100% crit chance on the orb of storms. 20% from Elemental Focus (the notable). This leaves 84%. The Militant Faith is probably required, but it'd be hard to get significantly more than 45% or so on it. That's 261%, or around 561% total with the mana to shock effect mastery.

[zinc stump]

Missed out on frost blades of kata screencluttet

[potent horizon]

No no one or the other I think orb fits in the make my screen crazy

[frigid wedge]

yeah i wouldnt

if u want crazy screen just play vortex

[proud gorge]

20% more from the non-ailment effect small passive near Templar..., that's 581%

so we're short 19%

[split maple]

is dark ideation only on chaos clusters?

[split maple]

just get more lightning res

[frigid wedge]

probably

[frigid wedge]

just assume we hit

and deal dmg

[proud gorge]

I guess you could go down for Ash Frost and Storm

[frigid wedge]

[proud gorge]

but that leaves you really stretched out

[pulsar dune]

How fast are skitterbots at applying shock, is it an area?

[frigid wedge]

please remember its spamming clusters

[proud gorge]

into Scion for Ash Frost and Storm, into Shadow for crit chance and Elemental Focus

[frigid wedge]

the instant that smth is not shocked in range it is applied

[pulsar dune]

Neat neat

[frigid wedge]

u can test with arkhons

[proud gorge]

what kind of clusters? Larges? Because it does get a bit easier with a bunch of Overshock notables

[frigid wedge]

but its an aura around the bot

[proud gorge]

since each Overshock is 40% shock effect

[pulsar dune]

LC mines time lel

Definitely very playable trust

[frigid wedge]

smalls / adorned plus voices

[proud gorge]

hmm, that'd be somewhat difficult then

[split maple]

pathing looks ok to me

4 cluster sockets, ash and frost, crit mastery and 2x lightning mastery

50 points leftover

[proud gorge]

it's definitely easier if you're fitting in more cluster jewel notables for shock effect

[split maple]

we going for megalos there right

[proud gorge]

but that'd preclude voices

[pulsar dune]

RIP

[frigid wedge]

imma be real idk whats going on rn

[proud gorge]

nah need to have jewel sockets for the adorned jewels

[frigid wedge]

i was just suggesting ways things can work

[proud gorge]

for lightning res

[frigid wedge]

ur guaranteed to be crit capped btw

[split maple]

i mean practically there i want to ignore all sources of shock effect that are not lightning res

[frigid wedge]

so theres no pathing for crit

[split maple]

and i am sure you can fit in enough lres to cap shock there

with enough synths

[frigid wedge]

oh wait its 150% from mastery anyways i think

ammy is 50%

light to mana

[proud gorge]

yeah, if you're pumping enough lightning res then the necessary lightning res from tree is easier

[frigid wedge]

but ur still crit capped

bc body armour

[proud gorge]

you need two Lightning Mastery wheels, but that can just be Static Blows and High Voltage

also a crit wheel

[split maple]

so what do we need, 600% shock eff? thats 1290% lightning res assuming 90% max res

[frigid wedge]

can i just mention that with 125% shock lightning conduit gets 3000% more damage

[proud gorge]

600% if you're going Heiro yeah

[frigid wedge]

mastery applies at 30%

[split maple]

ah okay

thats tricky then

[proud gorge]

only 320% if you're elementalist

which is a lot easier to hit

but then you have to play Elementalist Archmage

[frigid wedge]

remind me why we're hiero

other than saving anoint

[proud gorge]

uh, heiro mana nodes I guess

[frigid wedge]

aoe per mana is target range

or orb of storms radius

[split maple]

i just want whatever not elementalist, can also do guardian or smh

[frigid wedge]

and the other thing is basically just anoint

[proud gorge]

LC radius is very nice to have, but yeah I still do think a Shock-Stacking build should really be Elementalist

[split maple]

since i dont see why force elementalist when voltaxic already gives chaos can shock

[frigid wedge]

necromancer time

forbidden for shaper of storms

[proud gorge]

25% min shock is huge for shock stacking though

[frigid wedge]

tada!

[proud gorge]

practically solves your shock stack entirely by itself

[split maple]

i am slowly realizing that since sebk pob has like 700-800% incr mana only

[frigid wedge]

as long as u can solve mana regen just go necro and ur sorted

[split maple]

so if we rly want 0dmg caped shock hit we need lower treshold yea

[proud gorge]

since that plus the lightning mastery gives you almost all the shock effect you need

[split maple]

unless we do smh that actually can hit 5mil per hit

[proud gorge]

yeah you really need to be using Orb of Storms for the LC build

and that hits for nothing

[frigid wedge]

keep kitavas, move the orb to a trigger wand, use vd desecrate helm link

and forbidden shaper of storms

[proud gorge]

could work yeah

[frigid wedge]

200 cast speed to boot

[proud gorge]

personally I'd go elementalist with golems and grab a necro node instead

but I do like the golem buffs

[frigid wedge]

yeah but golems require investment

[proud gorge]

I mean, not that much, it's like, Golem Commander node, plus some gem sockets

skill gem sockets that is

[frigid wedge]

ok technically u could go mastermind of discord, heart of destruction, shaper of storms and a bloodline and steal corpse pact but u need mana regen and necro can provide

[potent horizon]

As Templar can I golem stack with my cold dot plan

[proud gorge]

and since your Voltaxic you have an extra 6-link anyways

[split maple]

golem stacking rly dont make sense withotu elementalist

[frigid wedge]

no

[split maple]

just bc of ergonomics

[proud gorge]

one 6-link for LC, Orb of Storms somewhere else, so use the second 6-link for Golems

[potent horizon]

Okay good just making sure

[split maple]

well also other stuff, but mostly ergonomics

[frigid wedge]

yeah imma be honest man im not a golem fan

[proud gorge]

golems really only need Golem Commander and a few links to be unkillable

[frigid wedge]

i use them for my current build but i dont like them

[proud gorge]

fair enough yeah

I mean, not unkillable, but unkillable enough for most things

[split maple]

my favourite pasttime last few days is watching golems walk into shaper beam

[proud gorge]

but yeah, personal preference, I can see the Necro angle

[split maple]

its very therapeutic

[proud gorge]

it's a very reasonable build

[frigid wedge]

necromancer could do smth like corpse pact, essence glutton, plaguebringer, and either mistrees of sacrifice, commander of darkness or a bloodline

[proud gorge]

and one with some very silly more multiplier on LC

[proud gorge]

it's bloodline

ignore lightning resist is just silly

[split maple]

voltaxic rift would be chaos tho?

[proud gorge]

oh, good point

[split maple]

or we going back to sane builds

[proud gorge]

forgot it's all chaos damage

in that case, never mind

[split maple]

just slap on farul kittens when in doubt

[proud gorge]

there's not really a good bloodline for chaos damage

when it's all already converted anyways

[frigid wedge]

yeah probably

not

aul for act speed/otherwordly appendages from breachlord

[proud gorge]

but yeah, since it's max crit, Farrul cats is probably honestly a really good option

just, like, generic power on crit

Huntleader is probably too generically strong for a bloodline tbh

[frigid wedge]

maybe

we can ignore last point for rn tho

build needs crit multi

[proud gorge]

I mean, Throatseeker is right there

[split maple]

snyth on magic abyssals surely

[frigid wedge]

and spending 16 mirrors on adorned sounds miserable

[split maple]

you need to finish that sentence

and spending 16 mirrors on adorned sounds miserable for voltaxic rift shock stacker

[frigid wedge]

no it just sounds miserable

[proud gorge]

just run this mirror ring smh

[frigid wedge]

hahahahhahaha no

[proud gorge]

except replace the power charge stuff with other stuff

[frigid wedge]

helical or bust

[barren river]

doryani?

[proud gorge]

point being, crit multi implicit + explicit ring

[frigid wedge]

no

maybe

[split maple]

its chaos dmg

[proud gorge]

I assume this isn't going osin

[frigid wedge]

do i now have to actually play poe and make this

xD

[proud gorge]

it's a chaos build, so it could go osin, but that's probably not worth it compared to a second stacking ring

[frigid wedge]

or a third

[proud gorge]

oh, point yeah

[barren river]

this works

[proud gorge]

the real question is how are you getting wither stacks

it's a chaos build, so you really need a source of wither stacks for the insane multiplier

[barren river]

withering step

[frigid wedge]

we have 100% shocks

[proud gorge]

withering step isn't really enough on its own

[split maple]

balance of terror no?

[frigid wedge]

wither is miniscule

its still just inc dmg taken

[barren river]

why not both?

[frigid wedge]

bc its an 100% shock

[proud gorge]

oh good point yeah, shock is also increased damage taken

so it'd stack additively with shock

normally wither is great because there's not a whole lot of good sources of increased damage taken on enemies in the game

[split maple]

did anyone run racecourse with deli?

[frigid wedge]

why

[split maple]

trying to think of non-ass fortress droping layout

[frigid wedge]

oh uh

[proud gorge]

I mean, Forking River is alright

it's a straight line

[barren river]

yea, but it's cringe