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[split maple]

ulti mods including ruin? like i rly dont want glad meta

[pulsar dune]

Random ulti mod is also really really hard

[cobalt blade]

do we though or do we just like the loot

[frigid wedge]

guy being an ass

[proud gorge]

hmm, maybe instead give every Rare a random "ultimatum modifier modifier"

[split maple]

honestly pretty boring progresion from random gifs to random insults to deleting messages before mods see

[proud gorge]

so like, a rare might have "accompanied by flaming skulls"

[umbral crag]

Rofl

[proud gorge]

or "inflicts temporary ruin"

[umbral crag]

Sigh

[cobalt blade]

accompanied by stone circles you need to stand in to kill the rare

[umbral crag]

Simplex feels further and further away from me HAHA

[split maple]

make rare monsters have conversion modifier that drops inscr ultis

[proud gorge]

that could be fun

[frigid wedge]

"rare monsters in your maps have volatile seekers" and it's just volatile cores with triple ms

[split maple]

i was rly surpised a while ago in cata+inscr map where random ass rare droped inscr ulti before i even found the ulti in map

[frigid wedge]

[cobalt blade]

yoo so they desync with volatile cores on the map

have fun dodging

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I juice too little to even know what they should do to fix tree. But if that fixes retention cuz the majority of players who like mapping like it, it's good

[proud gorge]

actually, now that I think about it, I kind of like the idea of having a set of notables that reference every major league mechanic on the tree, but at the same time that's maybe a bit much to have on a single "wheel"

[frigid wedge]

roll it back 2 leagues

[proud gorge]

so it'd probably have to be something different

[whole bluff]

Lmao

[opaque sphinx]

meatsack + divinity

[proud gorge]

oh, I have an idea

[frigid wedge]

meatsacks only work well rn with memory of disbelief in the map

[opaque sphinx]

aw

[frigid wedge]

yeah

[cobalt blade]

Something that scales the shit outta the health damage and loot of a mob titanic esc and making the loot scaling actually worth doing it

[proud gorge]

scrap all that, replace it with a Keystone that says "Your map device crafts are Extreme, you may select as many map device crafts as you want." And for every league mechanic on the map device, give it an extra effect that adds some map-wide effect to every single monster but also gives them extra drops.

[cobalt blade]

they also work decently well with the prolif allflame

but the problem is how often your loot just gets converted fully to alts lmfao

when your killing a 50 mod meatsack

[proud gorge]

Ultimatum gives every rare an Ultimatum modifier but also they can drop inscribed ultimatums. Blight makes every rare way tougher, but constantly spew out minions, but take damage when those minions die, and can spit out Blight rewards.

Ambush makes every rare spawn an ambush spawn when you kill it

etc etc etc

there's my killer idea, just turn every single league mechanic on the map device into a juicer lmao

[cobalt blade]

Yo infinite loot

[proud gorge]

I mean, natural rares anyways lmao

[cobalt blade]

revive nearby dead monsters with onslaught rare gets revived repeat

[proud gorge]

but yeah, that could be funny

Heist gives you an alert level that increases as you kill things to make enemies stronger with your alert level, but rares drop extra "contraband" loot

that gets cleared when you leave the map, but you're also sitting on only three portals at this point

[split maple]

Idk how many locks you want me to get per map but I am all up for it

[proud gorge]

Delve shrouds the map in darkness that you have to clear by standing in the stone circles probably

[cobalt blade]

nah itd be forcing you to constantly buy flares from niko at the start of the map

Gotta use those to navigate

[proud gorge]

actually, what about "Niko accompanies you", so he just periodically tosses down flares

and uses dynamite to help you fight lmao

[cobalt blade]

also yeah itd be quite the amount of loot

[frigid wedge]

honestly just slap valdo mods on the notables

such as the melee range light radius

[split maple]

Make it a map mod so folks Will frac maps again

[cobalt blade]

risk scarab randomly adds void

:D

[frigid wedge]

i meant like put the actual modifier on the notable

[cobalt blade]

Ah i see

[gritty epoch]

Difficulty Vs punishment Vs tediousness

[cobalt blade]

Melee range light radius is pretty awful forr server lag i doubt theyd at that one atleast

but some of the other maybe deadly apparitions or storms

[proud gorge]

there's a lot of fun valdos modifiers, but at the same time I think a lot of them would get old very fast if you got them in every single map (like if it were on an atlas notable)

[split maple]

I could see storms being a t17 mods, they wouldn't even be the assest one by far

[proud gorge]

I suppose one "easy" solution would be to add some sort of, like, Valdos Exalted Orb or something

[cobalt blade]

for sure

[proud gorge]

which can be used to modify T17 maps

but also regular maps

[cobalt blade]

similar to like current volatiles for annoyance

[cobalt blade]

valdos vaal orb maybe

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, that would work

[split maple]

10% less dmg per equiped item, comboed by some explicit effect scaling by less gear would be kinda fun notable

[cobalt blade]

Thatd just turn into 2hander league

Tbf

[split maple]

2hander no rings yea

[cobalt blade]

Eeh youd wear rings not too bad to deal with 90% less

rings are usually a larger power boost then going from 90>70

[split maple]

Yeah but if you add loot per removed item

[cobalt blade]

yo

hollow palm meta

[split maple]

I wonder how naked can chars get and still do these maps

[proud gorge]

in fact, get a cycle of weird-ass alternate vaal orbs in there. Valdos Vaal Orb, Legacy Vaal Orb, Eternal Vaal Orb, Endless Vaal Orb, Delirious Vaal Orb lmao

[cobalt blade]

you can forego weapons rings neck and gloves or hat before you start to struggle imo?

mostly because of gem slots

[proud gorge]

Delirious Vaal Orb: Modify a map to have (-40 to 40)% additional delirium effect

clearly this is what the people want

[cobalt blade]

and you'd just run hh or mageblood to brute force your needed things to run that

[cobalt blade]

140% deli effect and you can no longer damage normal mobs

[frigid wedge]

smth smth adorned glad

[dusky urchin]

Are you sure about that

[cobalt blade]

just straight up going to 100% less dmg taken lol

[whole bluff]

Mageblood, hollow palm, adorned glad?

[proud gorge]

magic mobs should already have 100% less damage taken at 100% delirious, delirium DR is "unfortunately" capped at 96% lmao

[frigid wedge]

facebreaker, azadi, flat phys abyss jewel spam

dont need other gear bc u get flat life on the abyssals

[proud gorge]

so ultimately all 140% delirium would affect is rare/unique DR, and increased damage

[cobalt blade]

Fair

[frigid wedge]

blazar get on this shit

[proud gorge]

96% DR on rares would be at, like, 107% Deliriousness

[whole bluff]

I forgot he went by blazar, and quasar was taken so I named a char PurpleBlazar

[proud gorge]

and Uniques would hit 96% DR at 120% Deliriousness

so literally the only difference between 120% and 140% Delirious, using current mechanics, would be going from 36% increased monster damage to 42% increased monster damage

so honestly not that significant

[fluid harbor]

man i hate gambling

every apothecary i have the first click is always poof

[split maple]

Slap some soul eater stacks on that and pilfering

[fluid harbor]

cant even be happy for atleast one second

[frigid wedge]

mom is gambling

[cobalt blade]

surely if you click a hom next time it doubles your just not gambling hard enough

[split maple]

That's more efficient at least

Imagine how much lifeforce you save

[fluid harbor]

listen

i do it for dopamine not to save money

[split maple]

Next one trust

[frigid wedge]

just change smth on ur filter to a tink

we're all clicker trained here anyway

[proud gorge]

but yeah, pretty funny that the vast majority of the extra difficulty you'd get from "over-delirium" would be in the first 7 percents

[frigid wedge]

may as well use it

[proud gorge]

after which it'd be nearly identical difficulty

since those 7 extra deliriousness percents would reduce your damage to rares, relative to 100% delirious, by 60%

[cobalt blade]

legit did this for devo/reality frags well doing t17 farming

made them 10x more bearable

[frigid wedge]

happy sound

[sly minnow]

what

did my eyes deceive me

[cobalt blade]

ez 1p

[proud gorge]

what do you mean, it's Voices

[frigid wedge]

they call me electric potential the way i dissapear

[proud gorge]

good ol' Voices

I do find it funny when people just have a bunch of unid'd Voices for sale

[cobalt blade]

cws sim farmers

[proud gorge]

like, I get it, I also tend to sell stuff unid'd because I'm 100% not a gambler

[pulsar dune]

Voices are often at a loss to id as well

[proud gorge]

but who's out there just gambling on piles of Voices all day

[wind axle]

servers down?

im just getting instance failed or wtv for like 15 mins

[cobalt blade]

me but i do it with valdos maps lol

over buying unid voices

[sly minnow]

its my first time dropping it
and I thought it as something that's super rare to get

[cobalt blade]

better profit margins+more fun

[cobalt blade]

its a chance to drop per unique boss you kill in a wave

i think it's every 4-7 sims on average you get one?

[proud gorge]

nah, Voices in general is relatively common, but it's got a bunch of rolls that are increasingly rare but also increasingly expensive. If you're not a degenerate gambler, just sell it

[cobalt blade]

(this league it was 30-40 odd 7p's 8-10 5ps 1 3p and 1 1p)

[proud gorge]

the majority of Voices are going to be 7-passive, which is worthless, or 5-passive, which is also pretty bad

[cobalt blade]

last league no 3ps/1ps but almost a full fucking tab of 7's

[proud gorge]

3-passive is good, and decently expensive, while 1-passive is ridiculously rare but also ridiculously expensive

[pulsar dune]

Yeah was about to say

[cobalt blade]

also none the league before that but i think 1 3p and a similar amount of 7's lol

But its fun

[cobalt blade]

its roughly 1/500 to get a 1p iirc

[frigid wedge]

isnt it 2.5% chance for a 1p

[proud gorge]

0.25 maybe

2.5% would be 1/40, and it's definitely not that

[frigid wedge]

its 3%

[cobalt blade]

The odds are on poedb somewhere ill go find em

[frigid wedge]

30 weight out if a total 1k

[split maple]

2.5% for 3p, 0.5% for 1p no?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, all three Simulacrum jewels are decently common, but have their value determined entirely by their rolls

[split maple]

Poewiki has odds

[cobalt blade]

https://poedb.tw/us/Voices#VoicesMods

[wind axle]

im literally getting this nonstop???

[frigid wedge]

oh wait i added shit as a group

[cobalt blade]

25 for 3p 5 for 1p out of 1k total

[frigid wedge]

0.5

[split maple]

Changed gateway yet?

[cobalt blade]

So like 1/200?

not bad

[proud gorge]

Voices is the least common of the three Simulacrum jewels, but it also has the fewest rolls

[split maple]

It only has two rolls

[proud gorge]

I mean, it has four possible states

[split maple]

7p and 5p

for sake of my sanity other two dont exist

[cobalt blade]

Just run some valdos youll get them eventually smile

Just ignore the losses along the way

[whole bluff]

Lul, I thought you were gonna say 7p and 5p were the non-items

[proud gorge]

whereas Split Personality has 36 possible states, and Megalomaniac has, uh... a lot

let me count this up

[whole bluff]

To me only 5p and 3p exist

And you get it from Faustus in another persons hideout

[tight plinth]

i hope they bringing tota back in 3.28 🙏

[cobalt blade]

[split maple]

megalo has 2 possible states

either its primordial bond in front or it isnt

[wind axle]

what?

[frigid wedge]

megalo has number of notables for clusters in the game to the 3 no?

[split maple]

you know frankfurt, amsterdam, milano, moscow, etc

where you connection to

dropdown on login screen

[wind axle]

usually people refer to those as "servers" or regions

but sure ill try that

[split maple]

these are quite literaly gateways

iirc even the combobox uses that

[wind axle]

not a single game i play ever refers to those as gateways

regardless of what they are, im not familiar with the subject ya feel me

but thanks ❤️

[cobalt blade]

they are gateways since it all eventually leads back to the 1 main server

[proud gorge]

Okay so there are 290 possible Notables on Megalo

that means there are 8,045,760 possible Megalos

[split maple]

or can they repeat?

[cobalt blade]

no

[proud gorge]

divide by 3

[frigid wedge]

no they cant

[proud gorge]

order is irrelevant

[split maple]

oh right yea

[cobalt blade]

I think this is still wrong btw think you included legacy cluster nodes

[frigid wedge]

dont u multiply it by 3

[cobalt blade]

pretty sure its less in the current game

[proud gorge]

same reason why there's only 36 Split Personalities instead of 72

[split maple]

then its just (290 3) so 4mil no?

[proud gorge]

I counted up the list of drop-enabled notables on the page for megalomaniac on the wiki

[proud gorge]

you're right yeah, it'd be 4,022,880

[cobalt blade]

no because 290*289*288 assumes primordial bond+fettle is different from fettle+primordial bond etc so you divide by 6

also yeah 4m sounds more accurate

[pulsar dune]

You divide by 6 as was just said

[cobalt blade]

Ah

[pulsar dune]

Since there are 6 orderings of 3 items

[proud gorge]

I was getting the choose 3 formula wrong, you have to divide by 3 and then 2

[cobalt blade]

Yeye

[proud gorge]

or by 6 yeah

[split maple]

yeah i will pretend i know what i am doing

[cobalt blade]

divide by pi

[split maple]

good thing we got calculators

[proud gorge]

but yeah, four possible Voices, thirty-six possible Split Personalities, and four million, twenty-two thousand, eight hundred and eighty possible Megalomaniacs

[cobalt blade]

is why people will spend hundreds of div to possibly a mirror under the right circumstances on 3 mod ones for popular builds lol

especially primordial bond ones rn

[split maple]

i am rly glad poeladder isnt counting distinct combos as distinct uniques

would make unique collection kinda hard

[frigid wedge]

right

[proud gorge]

funnily enough, there's an extra special few Megalos that are possible only in Standard, and I don't mean ones with drop disabled mods

I mean, those are also accessible in standard

but I mean it is possible for a Megalo to have two of the same notable, but only in Standard

[split maple]

wtb 3x primordial bond megalo offer 25ex

[proud gorge]

because, as the wiki states, when they removed Inevitable Doom, it was replaced with Evil Eye, so any existing Megalo with both Inevitable Doom and Evil Eye ended up with double Evil Eye

[whole bluff]

Man, 5p voices really always needs you to waste 2 more passives than 3p? While 1p only saves 1 passive vs 3p?

[opaque sphinx]

[proud gorge]

yeah, since the 5/3 breakpoint is where the small passives between the jewel sockets are removed

[opaque sphinx]

baited by filter why the hell is this a tink

[proud gorge]

that's worth, like, 10c or something

[brazen vector]

4c on kirac

[proud gorge]

yeah, that

[cobalt blade]

Ye but that 1passive is a massive boost minmaxed

[whole bluff]

So I guess 7p is prolly better than it sounds then, if it's like:

• 1p waste 1 passive
• 3p waste 2 passive
• 5p waste 4 passive
• 7p waste 5 passive
  ?

[proud gorge]

yup, that's correct

[whole bluff]

Neat

[cobalt blade]

(tho i will judge any pobs that arent lvl 100 with 1p's thats a straightup sin)

[proud gorge]

but yeah, that's why 5p and 7p are fairly similar in price, while 3p is a huge jump up

[brazen vector]

Call me a sinner then

[cobalt blade]

kinda but 7p is usually in the realm of a large being stronger than the jewel socket

[proud gorge]

then 1p is another huge jump but that's just because it's for hyperoptimization

[cobalt blade]

[brazen vector]

[cobalt blade]

lol

[proud gorge]

and also very rare

[whole bluff]

5 is usually in the price range of "worth it, it is actually any amount of currency, but almost not" to me. So I understand mostly why people would use 7p in SSF, while I myself lament that 5p is bad and 3p very expensive

[split maple]

1 passive is kinda a lot of passives at some point

[whole bluff]

That too

[split maple]

5ps aint that hard too farm, idk if anyone uses 7s even except folks who try to force mamba too early

[cobalt blade]

its straight up 2-6% more damage on stat stackers depending on breakpoints you hit for flat damage/% dmg

[cobalt blade]

and ye like esm said even in ssf its easy to farm 5p

Tho i put 5p in the barely useable range for an ssf armour stacker

and would prob only use 1

2-3 feels like a waste

[split maple]

yeah 5 and 7ps go into stash tab of shame

[proud gorge]

I mean, it takes time, but 5p or better is, what, 1/3?

[whole bluff]

It is very impactful to get a passive when balancing out a lvl 98+, usually. But I can understand why you'd use 7p in SSF at times. In trade though, 5p instead of 3p hurts man/woman (didn't want to swear cuz bad flashback vibes to the poe2 troll)

[cobalt blade]

5p feels wrong in trade lol

[whole bluff]

Ye

But so close

To 3p in power, relatively speaking

[proud gorge]

I'll use a 5p early on if my build needs it, because I don't have the money for a 3p

but yeah realistically you should probably just use an 8-passive large

[split maple]

i need to go farm a few simuls while i still have cws ig, tho this leg my luck with simuls is basically nonexistent

at least it levels up gems decent

[proud gorge]

there's only a couple of builds I could think of where you'd genuinely need a voices rather than a large

but I think the main one, Aura Stacker, has been removed from the game

[cobalt blade]

I mean your spending spending 2 cluster notables effectively for a jewel socket i would say 8/10 times the 2 notables beat that for 5p

[cobalt blade]

Yea

[split maple]

i mainly want int+accu splits, everything else is a bonus. tho 3p voices would let me fit in one brand cluster into my pbod

would feel comfy af for sanctums to have that grand design + seeker in

[proud gorge]

I guess Mamba is the main Voices recipient these days

[frigid wedge]

and kboc

[proud gorge]

oh, do they use a hyperspecific medium cluster notable?

[frigid wedge]

smalls actually

[cobalt blade]

kboc isnt worth lightning res swap with 5p

[cobalt blade]

No 9 smalls

[proud gorge]

I haven't actually looked much into KBoC builds

interesting

[cobalt blade]

you just dont have the passives for the smalls on 5p

[whole bluff]

What are the smalls?

I guess poe.ninja + sort by kboc and voices

[cobalt blade]

lightning res flat mana flat int inc effect

on lightning res smalls

[frigid wedge]

and then ideally u swap to 1p adorned

[whole bluff]

I saw adorned yup

[cobalt blade]

Imo perfect smalls just about beat adorned

[whole bluff]

I guess it's just mana stack

[cobalt blade]

But thats also in the territory of mirroring 9 smalls

[frigid wedge]

adorned gets crit multi

[whole bluff]

Depending on vulture price, adorned can be atrocious though

[cobalt blade]

yea so do perfect smalls

[frigid wedge]

yeah but its not doubled and u fit a lot more of them if u adorned

[cobalt blade]

synth mirrored smalls are a hell of a drug

[cobalt blade]

Ye but you get higher on your mana stats

The main thing your actually losing is attack speed

[frigid wedge]

you can get that too

[cobalt blade]

from atk speed during onslaught implicit

[pulsar dune]

You do flat mana abyss jewels right?

[frigid wedge]

if we're perfect mirror tier stuff u get everything on abyssals

[cobalt blade]

Ye i mean that abyss jewels adorned get that but not smalls

[frigid wedge]

flat mana light res

[frigid wedge]

ye

[cobalt blade]

Buuut because of indigon the attack speed is somewhat of a fake dps increase since you struggle to actually maintain the mana after a point

With some exceptions like blight where theres enough mobs

[split maple]

attack speed just feels good tho

[cobalt blade]

ye for sure

[frigid wedge]

mana leech with instaleech go brr

also yeah i cant play a build that doesnt have attack/cast speed

[cobalt blade]

mana go brr with low targets that are getting 1 shot lol

[frigid wedge]

u just dont hold it

[cobalt blade]

makes the smalls setup more "actual" dps but yeah would feel worse

[split maple]

gotta love the tap pause tap pause vaal clarity hold tap pause tap pause gameplay of indigon

[cobalt blade]

abysmal gameplay loop ngl

[frigid wedge]

nothing this league requires that much dps other than valdos and blight anyways

so idk

[cobalt blade]

Feels only kinda good when you get your mana to a state you can hold it

yee

[whole bluff]

What does it cost to make standard magic jewel for going adorned?

For all I know it could be 100d or 2m

[cobalt blade]

Excluding synth?

[whole bluff]

Nah, with

[frigid wedge]

if ur going to the sebk level ur spending 2m each

1-2

[proud gorge]

hmm, time to pick a new incredibly niche build on poe.ninja to play

[frigid wedge]

me me me

[split maple]

trans glacial mines trust

[cobalt blade]

synth base price + about 25-300d depending on if you go for vaal implicit replacing gilded mod on 1-3 synth items or if you just go for corrupted at all without bricking

• the absolute pain that is alting abyss jewels

you will click literally like 3+k alts per jewel

[proud gorge]

usually I scroll down until I find some skill that only 0.1% of people are playing, but this time I'm gonna try scrolling down until I find some unique item only 0.1% of people are using

[cobalt blade]

It is not fun

[proud gorge]

since I've found that a lot of the more niche skills just end up being in generic builds like Archmage anyways

[cobalt blade]

(300d being the 3 synth replace gilded range)

[proud gorge]

whereas I'm sure there's some interesting tech with some niche uniques or foulborns or something

[frigid wedge]

go minmax soulthirst

[cobalt blade]

and ofc youll spend a mirror actually rolling the 3 implicits

[split maple]

oh eclipse solaris is also 0.1% range

you can do light radius stack

[cobalt blade]

Low key that gearing is interesting

some reflected jewellery stuff you can do for it

[whole bluff]

This was the only excessively painful step I had already heard about @timid sapphire

[cobalt blade]

lol

honestly a good chance you spend more rolling for 3

[proud gorge]

I kinda want to first look through the Foulborns down there, since those are the hot new thing this league

[whole bluff]

What about foulborn bereks? If you haven't used it yet

[split maple]

i am still looking for use for dbl fbl respite

[whole bluff]

I use 1 of each of the cheap ones. Need to save up for a single double later

[split maple]

turns out on heralder it makes renderer just die

[proud gorge]

Foulborn Berek's Pass does seem interesting

self-ignite for the "action speed can't be below base value"

also an interesting 25% recoup while frozen

[pulsar dune]

Foulborn dreamfeather to play int/accu on not jugg

[proud gorge]

actually, wait, that actually seems interesting, self-freeze?

[cobalt blade]

foulborn apeps kinda neat

[proud gorge]

the long-awaited Self-Freeze build

[frigid wedge]

just use it on ur heralder

[split maple]

i tried

i just dont have the hardware for it

[proud gorge]

unfortunately it doesn't seem like Foulborn Berek's Pass has any real build

disappointing

[opaque sphinx]

no beasts for u

[cobalt blade]

This is a buff cant lag if the game doesn't load

who needs to see anyway

[split maple]

phys explodeys from chest procing respite explodeys make the lil box die inside

[frigid wedge]

lmfao

[cobalt blade]

Itd just be a fulcrum build no?

[split maple]

it wasnt even dense map just basic ass 8mod

[whole bluff]

On fulcrum chieftain, it just makes less sense than even winterweave sadly

Or well, maybe it's more defensive so better fit

[cobalt blade]

triple ring fulcrum chieftain

[whole bluff]

But you'd need a reason to use chieftain fulcrum on a normal build, so not CWS or RF

Or maybe RF

[split maple]

Each one of them a different dbl berek for memes

[cobalt blade]

Truu

[proud gorge]

huh, I've come across a very strange build

Foulborn Kitava's Thirst, CoC Soulrend of the Spiral Saboteur with Jiquani's

a mostly ES build but with Blood Magic

[split maple]

Link?

[whole bluff]

Jiquani is good

[proud gorge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/IverzonX-0899/ImStrikeCJ?i=1&search=items%3DFoulborn%2BKitava%2527s%2BThirst%26class%3DSaboteur

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I have a feeling jiquani is so new and so jank but so overtuned, that noone knows how much it could actually be nerfed and still remain useful, yet

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Jiquani's does seem very good yeah

[whole bluff]

Giga jank, not involved in anything absurdly broken yet, but it's moving at high speed vs what to me looks like a cliff wall

[proud gorge]

I found someone running, for some reason, Arc Unleash Jiquani's Inquisitor, with two separate Unleash Arc 6-links

what is this

[whole bluff]

But it should be allowed to explode against the cliff wall, cuz it's literally so jank people wouldn't bother with it if preemptively nerfed, I think

[proud gorge]

do the two arcs gain unleash stacks seperately?

Is the goal here to maximize DPS by casting Arc 1 while Arc 2 accumulates Unleash stacks?

[whole bluff]

No idea tbh, I would've thought no but I heard stuff indicating yes

[proud gorge]

what a wild idea

it means poe.ninja has no way whatsoever of telling me what this build's actual DPS is like lmao

[pulsar dune]

I always forget how absurd jiquanis numbers are

[cobalt blade]

I think yes?

its a funky idea with one shocking other more damage too

[cobalt blade]

Feel like if it werent for how strong acc stacker is itd be way higher play rate lol

[whole bluff]

I played an int stacker with 800 int, and the problem wasn't the dmg

[proud gorge]

I gotta say, I do not at all understand why this Sabo build is running Foulborn Kitava's Thirst

[whole bluff]

That item needs science, and is a great opportunity to have success with creative stuff

[whole bluff]

You don't wanna see my mess lmao

[proud gorge]

like, it's using the Foulborn Kitava's Thirst to trigger, for some reason, Greater Volleyed Frostbolt, Blazing Salvo, and Rolling Magma

what's, uh, the goal here

[whole bluff]

People are just doodling with the jank thing cuz the number is so high it works

[opaque sphinx]

wym

[proud gorge]

oh, I guess those are all being affected by Jiquani's yeah

[cobalt blade]

ithink the vit/disc on hit recovery

[opaque sphinx]

they have massive proj, get flat from jiq, and return from sab nimi node

[proud gorge]

that would also make sense yeah

[cobalt blade]

seems very proj spammy over dmg oriented

[proud gorge]

just spam out a ton of projectiles everywhere

[cobalt blade]

wouuld personally build into the life per int mask if only to have an excuse to use it

[frigid wedge]

if enough aoe proj collide eventually they will deal dps

[proud gorge]

I guess at a certain point the question becomes, can you even call this a Soulrend of the Spiral build? Like, that's certainly the main skill in a 6-link, but it doesn't actually seem to be investing all that hard into Soulrend of the Spiral stuff

other than, like, as an outlet for Jiquani's

[opaque sphinx]

wym

how would u invest into it

[cobalt blade]

Wdym its got proj scaling and return

[proud gorge]

I dunno, DoT multi

[opaque sphinx]

^

[cobalt blade]

spiral is a sequential skill

so it shotguns

[opaque sphinx]

thats not how u play spiral

its a hit skill because it shotguns

[proud gorge]

ah, interesting

[frigid wedge]

if ur gonna go dot w spiral its bc ur poison

not bc ur soulrend

[opaque sphinx]

u can play it dot, but i highly dont rec it

[proud gorge]

well, I'll keep that build idea in mind, triggerbots Sabo Foulborn Kitava's Thirst

[cobalt blade]

Ya^^ and spiral poison seems questionable with how much better it is hit based lol

[opaque sphinx]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/LocoCocoa-1921/character/SecretOftheCatsIsMine

catmines

[spice pecan]

tipsy thought here: why the fuck do ppl play ignite eviscerate ele, over bleed eviscerate glad

[split maple]

kinda suprised some people do that: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers?items=Jiquani's+Potential%2CMask+of+the+Stitched+Demon

[spice pecan]

bleed eviscerate is strictly better in like, every single way

except for proliferation

[split maple]

way more damage on lil budget

[proud gorge]

hmm, Foulborn Queen of the Forest, unfortunately, seems limited to pure no-attacking-skill Heist runners

[cobalt blade]

Its the first time its had synergy in forever lmao

[split maple]

like elementalist dotcaps for free, on glad you practically need that replica farul setup

[cobalt blade]

Not surprised ppl are trying it

[spice pecan]

glad gets triple damage from jagged technique tho

[opaque sphinx]

db made a pob for it

[cobalt blade]

The other route would be like whispers and just accept only having the 1 eternal blessing aura

but then you lose simplex so eh

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/ass-jiquani

[split maple]

versus all damage can ignite shaper of flames + ephemeral edge and 10k es

like glad has way better ergonomics than ele for sure

[frigid wedge]

clear

[spice pecan]

well EE is a t0 now but yeah, i was thinking more of a modest budget

[spice pecan]

glad has built-in explode fwiw

[frigid wedge]

glad explode is bleed explode and therefore cannot prolif

[opaque sphinx]

buiilt in explode =/= berek

[spice pecan]

well there isn't any bleed prolif in the game anyway but yeah

[split maple]

well yeah ele isnt doing bleed

[frigid wedge]

having ignite spread/norm berek and the ability for the explosions u use to trigger other explodes

[spice pecan]

is it really worth not having lucky block or triple damage as a baseline tho

[frigid wedge]

the explode only happens for things ur evis hits when ur glad, elementalist explosions can chain each other

[spice pecan]

[spice pecan]

yeah sure, but imo built in explode makes clear like not rly an issue whether they chain or not imo

esp when the explode is what, 25% max life as phys?

or 20%

[split maple]

imo glad evi feels better to play than ele evi (feels good to be able to click) but like you rly cannot say glad scales dmg better than it

[proud gorge]

this guy's running three 1-passives

[spice pecan]

yeah i agree it probs doesn't scale as well

[opaque sphinx]

there is a big dif between half ur screen aoe, and 2 screen aoe that is also persistent and clears stuff like beyond/blight

[pulsar dune]

Yea, it's really just the damage

Evis glad clear is worse than you'd think since Evis does damage in an awful shape

[opaque sphinx]

ignite keeps burning and spreading so u atk once and it clears an entire blight

[pulsar dune]

I've off screened full packs at a comparable consistency to packs on the screen.

[spice pecan]

i mean I played lacerate of hemorrhage in 3.25 so i guess it's probably similar to that

[frigid wedge]

elementalist just has a lot of available clear

[pulsar dune]

You'll be tankier on ele as well I'd wager, since block on its own isn't enough, and being ES is just way better baseline

[spice pecan]

also somewhat of a tangent; what do you even block while bossing to trigger eviscerate

aren't most boss abilities unblockable or some shit

[pulsar dune]

You just have to know which attacks you can tank and block

[split maple]

not rly

[spice pecan]

truly a path of poe thing

[pulsar dune]

But block largely works

It's mostly just the "you die now" abilities that are unblockable

[opaque sphinx]

cant u just swap to the shield for bossing

[normal hedge]

weaponswap the new uber shield

[pulsar dune]

But even exarch big damage circle can be blocked

[spice pecan]

what's the new shield huh

[pulsar dune]

Ah true new shield real

Retal become usable every 4s

[opaque sphinx]

lets u retaliate every 4 secs or smth instead

[normal hedge]

you can use retal skills without getting hit

[spice pecan]

ooooh

[normal hedge]

so you just press x 2 times

[spice pecan]

yeah maybe

[normal hedge]

and boom

clunkiest build ever made

[spice pecan]

don't say that around munin

that person plays fuckin storm call

[cobalt blade]

its stuff like exarch balls shaper slam and maven memory game thats unblockable

[spice pecan]

shaper balls also can't be blocked i thought

[cobalt blade]

Cascade of pain tentacle slam from eater shaper balls elder tentacles all blickable

shaper balls are spell blockable

[spice pecan]

[cobalt blade]

its why ben ran spell block for his UUE fight in atleast one gauntlet

lol

[split maple]

yea that rly suprised me yesterday

[opaque sphinx]

its the slam that cant be blocked/evaded

[split maple]

i didnt expect 3k phys max hit to suffice for deathless ushaper but block is block

[opaque sphinx]

maybe its just evaded i cant remember

[cobalt blade]

interestingly the non uber version can be evaded

It cant be blocked in 90% sure

atleast in uber same with evade

[tranquil sedge]

how do you block the slam

[cobalt blade]

pog

[split maple]

you dont get slammed

[tranquil sedge]

ah

[opaque sphinx]

😮

aw

[cobalt blade]

26/85 still sells for a decent chunk per split

[pulsar dune]

Time to win a recomb

[proud gorge]

hmm, well I found a build that uses double Foulborn Void Battery on Lightning Conduit

it seems... good? Alright? I have no idea how real its damage is

also a bunch of people running Foulborn Void Battery and Foulborn Doedre's Scorn for Doom Blast

is that good? Still no idea

what I'm learning here is that compared to looking for niche main skills, looking for niche uniques is a lot harder, because sometimes you just get someone slapping a unique onto an existing build that just makes it worse, and sometimes you get builds that don't at all work

[split maple]

oh shite i think i can get some dps for bossing really easily

forgot that froulborn

[cobalt blade]

The doedre's scorn is

Lvl 30 impending doom is absurd base dmg

[opaque sphinx]

poor guy

yoink

[cobalt blade]

Dunno bout the VB tho

[proud gorge]

and also that 0.1% is probably too low for uniques, because whereas almost every build has a main skill (some even have multiple), by comparison a random unique being on 0.1% of builds is a lot lower since you're not actually required to run a unique in any slot

[spice pecan]

brother PLEASE

let me fucking hit frenzy on this shit

[proud gorge]

and in fact optimally you probably want to be running rares in every slot that you can

so a 0.1% unique is way rarer than a 0.1% skill

[spice pecan]

there's 6 listings for uncorrupted ones left and i've cleared them out to 20c now

[proud gorge]

is the conclusion I'm drawing

[cobalt blade]

Could do 1% for uniques

more likely you hit a build over someone randomly having it equipped for stats

[proud gorge]

yeah, that's what I'm mostly hitting at 0.1%

[opaque sphinx]

lost one hit one

[spice pecan]

c o l d

[proud gorge]

hmm, what a strange build. I'm looking at this double Foulborn Void Battery Lightning Conduit Elementalist build

[cobalt blade]

holy doing it before the triple split

[proud gorge]

and according to PoB this build has 100 million DPS

[opaque sphinx]

if i do it before i only gotta win once

[proud gorge]

meanwhile the guy's passive tree looks like this

[cobalt blade]

fair

[proud gorge]

why does he have a random single point of 10 strength?

what's going on here

[opaque sphinx]

reqs

[proud gorge]

yeah but like, you could grab the 30 strength notable instead

[cobalt blade]

did you missclick it or are they leaderships price

[opaque sphinx]

not everyone smart

[cobalt blade]

or some other balance str below int/dex thing

[plush gulch]

is it a bad helmet ? im doing absolution

[whole bluff]

I'm using foulborn doedres scorn on elementalist. It does save some sockets for more golems since you need glove 4L for Impending Doom

[opaque sphinx]

idk do ur minions do more dmg or u

[whole bluff]

But I'm not really satisfied with it

[plush gulch]

im a minion build yeah

[opaque sphinx]

never played absolution

[proud gorge]

well, I guess there's only one way to find out if this build is actually good or not

[plush gulch]

but nobody use those and idk why

[opaque sphinx]

other minions good

[cobalt blade]

Prolly spectres

[proud gorge]

time to roll a Foulborn Void Battery Lightning Conduit Elementalist

[opaque sphinx]

spectres

[cobalt blade]

get too much from them

[frigid wedge]

bc its a minion skill that requires investing into ur cast speed

[proud gorge]

my guy has two gems in his weapon

just one open slot I guess

for emotional support

[cobalt blade]

untouched soul?

[proud gorge]

nah

[cobalt blade]

technically a viable reason for that

ah

[frigid wedge]

my man just link the character

[proud gorge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Krazzed324-5539/Krazzed_Shocking

[cobalt blade]

These flasks with that mirrored ring hurt to look at

[proud gorge]

I think this build might just be unfinished lmao

someone half-built the character

no wait they've been playing since day 1

so I have no idea what's going on

[opaque sphinx]

sometimes the answer really just is, they are dumb

[proud gorge]

AI generated ass build

[split maple]

that open gem socket is asking for empower if nothing else

for that 1% or 2% more cast speed

[proud gorge]

like what the fuck is this

[spice pecan]

is that not even lcoth

damn, 2 button enjoyer

[pulsar dune]

Mirror ring????

[cobalt blade]

Holy militant faith with non damaging ailment effect

[proud gorge]

they've had that single point in the wheel since week 3

[cobalt blade]

Enhance for more pcharge on hit

[pulsar dune]

Did they level up since week 3?

[proud gorge]

yes, from 95 to 96

the one point is the single strength travel node

[pulsar dune]

Ah, weird then

[proud gorge]

oh my god

[cobalt blade]

wait they arent even suppress capped

[proud gorge]

that's not even a stat requirement strength node, they put their level 96 skill point into it

why

[opaque sphinx]

[cobalt blade]

incredible

the more you look the worse it gets

Unqualitied life flask

[frigid wedge]

why is rainbow

[proud gorge]

they're running mirrored 3-synth Synaptic Ring, Foulborn Mageblood, and 69% flasks

[cobalt blade]

Heatmap

[frigid wedge]

actually good for lc

[proud gorge]

nah that's not a heatmap, that's, like, stat associations somehow?

[cobalt blade]

red is i think least taken by elementalists

[split maple]

i think poeninja updated like yesterday or today

looks weirdge

[frigid wedge]

oh my god is it node power calc

[proud gorge]

I guess it's a class heatmap yeah

[cobalt blade]

Its heatmap look at notables showing weird anoints lol

im like 70% sure atleast

[proud gorge]

yeah I thought you meant like a single-build heatmap, or an all-builds heatmap

[opaque sphinx]

wait wtf

[proud gorge]

but yeah it seems to be some sort of weird heatmap with the colors indicating what classes take what nodes?

[opaque sphinx]

i pobbed something like this a long time ago when lc came out

[split maple]

nothing wrong about 69% flask

thats the only thing ok with that build

[cobalt blade]

Yea i think so

[proud gorge]

there's nothing wrong with it, but you'd think someone buying a mirrored ring and stuff would care enough to spend like 10c getting 70% flasks

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/p30ZA69g3vo5

[frigid wedge]

I'm hopeful it is a node power

[split maple]

its a funny number thing

[frigid wedge]

holy sanctum league

[proud gorge]

but yeah, it's a very strange build. I'm down to play a Lightning Conduit Shock Effect build, but I dunno if this is the PoB to look at for it lmao

[opaque sphinx]

i gotchu an early pob if u want it

[cobalt blade]

Also just noticed the wands arent heist enchanted/qualitied/one of them isnt blessed

[proud gorge]

LC is a 0.1% skill, so that fits well into my wheelhouse

[cobalt blade]

which what the fuck when your mirroring a ring

[frigid wedge]

lc gets shock effect bc lc gets % more per shock effect

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/4cVY-l46SvwK

[proud gorge]

yeah

[cobalt blade]

Ye but im reasonably sure you can cap this without militant faith stuff because ele base shock

[proud gorge]

now I just gotta find a good build for Shock Effect LC from this league, preferably one where I can reasonably run Foulborn Void Battery

unfortunately seems like there's only three LC players using Foulborn Void Battery

and the best one is somehow that guy

[opaque sphinx]

hater whatsi wrong with mine

u just cant use recoup chest or mana helm

[proud gorge]

not that, I mean the PoB I linked

the wack one

[opaque sphinx]

yeh ik but no reason u cant just swap a little off that one and use it as a base

[proud gorge]

yeah, I just like looking at what the absolute top level of a build looks like in poe.ninja to help give some direction, especially with how many variants there somehow are of Lightning Conduit Elementalist even within this league

[opaque sphinx]

u basically just go standard pcharge stacker with some archmage support to it

[cobalt blade]

Technically theres a solution here with nine lives jewels over stealing forbidden power

[proud gorge]

tbh nobody seems to be running Archmage this league

on the LC Elementalists

[opaque sphinx]

well they're dumb

its dummy thicc flat on a skill that has a bajillion more multi

[cobalt blade]

Prolly because its more league starty gets outscaled with proper gear later

[proud gorge]

like I said, I'm gonna look through these builds, see what's going on with the playerbase

see what the various build variants and trends are

[opaque sphinx]

bring back pre nerf

[cobalt blade]

Reverse snapshot battery staff poggers

[opaque sphinx]

not even that the skill just used to deal like 3x more dmg

[cobalt blade]

Ah you meant lc?

[proud gorge]

lmao somehow that wack-ass Mirror Ring guy has the highest listed DPS for LC by far

I know listed PoB DPS isn't always a great measure

but man

[cobalt blade]

+2 power charges and spell dam per power charge would do that yes

[split maple]

kinda funny how good mirror pc ring is on pc stack build

[opaque sphinx]

ye

[cobalt blade]

Fair enough i don't remember its nerf

[opaque sphinx]

im pretty sure it was even stronger than this

[cobalt blade]

ah

[opaque sphinx]

then was nerfed pre release or hotfixed

[proud gorge]

like I get that it's strong, but I would have thought how wack the rest of the build seems to be would make up for it, at least a bit

but man that's almost double the next highest listed DPS

[cobalt blade]

as with many stackers more of your stacked stat is broken lmfao

import their builds and toss in the ring

[proud gorge]

which is somehow 1k ehp

[opaque sphinx]

gotta remember ninja isnt always accurate on dps

[proud gorge]

yeah

[opaque sphinx]

u can socket ambush for example and get 100% crit + multi for free cuz ninja considers it active for every hit with no cd

[cobalt blade]

Oh some of those are also ci so probably no like heatshiver

[split maple]

its a negative hp stacker

[proud gorge]

what

lmao

[split maple]

i was sure dude is using anni light but no, its just funnyes: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/AstralSamuraii-7618/Keepers_Poverty_League

[proud gorge]

optimal Cast on Death build

[cobalt blade]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/yverin-7783/Thicc_Venom have you considered the infinite ehp build

[whole bluff]

Who needs to mitigate prototype when all your ele res is negative anyway. He could consider veil of the night

[cobalt blade]

(underflows the pob health calc so ninja counts it as billions lol)

[proud gorge]

oh my god, immortal build found

we've done it lads

and who knew it was so easy

[split maple]

okay now this is just why: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/elnacht-0789/ElnachtKeepers

chaos lightning conduit

[opaque sphinx]

chaos LC and not voltaxic is a sin

[proud gorge]

I did actually import that ring into a nice Svalinn build with good eHP and decent damage

and somehow it lowered the build's DPS

[opaque sphinx]

noty enough pcharge

go mana+int stack voltaxic archmage LC

[cobalt blade]

Were they a pcharge stack

[cobalt blade]

Am i blind or is there no wither source

[proud gorge]

ah you're right yeah, got a non-power charge build

[cobalt blade]

lol

[proud gorge]

like the only one on this page

[frigid wedge]

where the fuck

[cobalt blade]

wuh

[frigid wedge]

is the ehp from

[cobalt blade]

-1 ehp in pob because it breaks the calculation

Which underflows to 2 billion

so ninja thinks it has 2 billion ehp basically

[frigid wedge]

ahh

[proud gorge]

hmm, putting the synth mirror ring in both ring sockets of another power charge stacking build raises its DPS from 33m to 56m

but that's not 100m

the only conclusion I can draw here is that, somehow, this stupid-ass mirror ring build with a wack-ass passive tree has somehow constructed a genuinely good build despite everything

[cobalt blade]

might not have other nonsense toggled that skyrockets the dps or its not doing amulet+boots to bypass inner conviction

[pulsar dune]

It was definitely doing ammy+boots

[cobalt blade]

Ye i mean on the build they moved the pcharge rings to

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's definitely possible to take the vague skeleton of a power charge stacking ralakesh + badge build and probably make it less suckass

and probably still end up with half the DPS because no mirror ring

but w/e

[cobalt blade]

v easy to get stupid damage using the ralakesh stuff

[cobalt blade]

Yeh

[proud gorge]

I'm down to give it a try nonetheless

just means I'll be flying blind a bit

[split maple]

just slap on 2x foulborn romira trust

[undone gazelle]

with ninja's setting, half of the damage is here

[cobalt blade]

Just play that critless pcharge build ez

[proud gorge]

I genuinely have no idea how that build somehow ended up with 31k eHP on 3k life, EB, and dual wands

[cobalt blade]

Oh yeah i forgot bloodlines exist

[proud gorge]

like, 31k is kind of low, but it's not overwhelmingly low

it's good enough to function

[pulsar dune]

Oh yea esh breachlord is good

[split maple]

all the pc grand spectrums

[cobalt blade]

I think ninja still toggles endu charges for ralakesh but might be mistaken

[cobalt blade]

truue

[proud gorge]

nah it has legitimate Endurance Charges

well, "legitimate" it's using the 1 endurance per 10 seconds on body armour

[cobalt blade]

ah didnt check that

[proud gorge]

so it'll get up there eventually

but yeah, I'm absolutely certain this build could be improved just through some passive tree changes, because there's no way a passive tree that takes Lightning Walker is optimal

and it's also running Alira

with at least 47% overcapped res

[cobalt blade]

they just want that exposure curse and essence mob res down overcap

[cobalt blade]

Also i think that can technically be optimal for a split personality tree if highly unlikely (tho not for that build)

[proud gorge]

I'm also not a huge fan of the Ryslatha plus life flask for corrupted blood

[tight plinth]

wait when you vaal summon skeleton mages, the vaal version is just mages too?

[cobalt blade]

vaal skill doesnt inherit trans gem properties

unless skeletons is an explicit exception for some reason

[tight plinth]

im getting baited by pob

[cobalt blade]

Its just how its named itll do reg vaal skill

[split maple]

yes you are getting vaal summon skeletions, not vaal summon mages

all vaal transes are like that

[cobalt blade]

like look at vls of arcing in pob and it just does regular vls

[proud gorge]

Vaal skill gems are interesting because it's two technically unrelated skills that just happen to share a gem

they're just usually fairly similar due to one being a vaal version of the other

[cobalt blade]

They do make the regular skill scale with the tags added to the vaal one as well

[pulsar dune]

Some of them do share properties

Reap, reave and such

[cobalt blade]

in particular this can be useful for scaling an aura by getting it the duration tag

[proud gorge]

I mean, in a sense they're just sharing resources, same as, say, two skills that both interact with frenzy charges. Only difference is it's a skill-specific resource (in the case of Reave)

[cobalt blade]

They literally share properties though

You can snapshot vaal reave stacks

For more aoe on regular reave

[proud gorge]

yeah, because Vaal Reave gives you more of the skill-specific resource, Reave stacks, lmao

[spice pecan]

its literally just reap stacks

and not necessarily snapshotting

[cobalt blade]

You usually do it with a weapon swap enhance setup lol

[proud gorge]

it's just that regular Reave has a max stacks it can generate, and Vaal Reave has a higher limit

[cobalt blade]

Which is why i just shorthand to snapshot

[cobalt blade]

fairfair

[pulsar dune]

IG it depends on how strict you care to make the distinction between global resources and skill specific resources

[spice pecan]

snapshotting would be like, endu cry + charge mastery for 3% more dmg per charge + using snipe on puncture for bleed damage

[pulsar dune]

I think it's pretty clear that there is a useful distinction that places blood charges into one ground and frenzy charges into another

[cobalt blade]

(or if you wanna make your build miserable to play you also do a ammy swap ashes setup)

[spice pecan]

wait are we talking about reap or reave lmao

[cobalt blade]

reave

[spice pecan]

oh, attack skill, DONOTINTERACT

[cobalt blade]

D:

[proud gorge]

I do like Reave, I like how it goes "bang bang bang" when it hits things

[spice pecan]

my brother in Chris, may i introduce you to bleed bow

[proud gorge]

like punching slightly waterlogged driftwood

[spice pecan]

if you want true path of poe asmr

[proud gorge]

I don't really play bow skills

[pulsar dune]

Just play rolling magma mines

[cobalt blade]

Real asmr is wardlooper

[spice pecan]

nor do i, my friend

[spice pecan]

actually true

[cobalt blade]

thunk thunk thunk thunk sound 5-6 times a second

[spice pecan]

as a wardloop player who has to play on low audio channels as a mandatory build setting

i agree

[cobalt blade]

(or whatever skill you choose to loop)

lmao

i played with 15-20% because i got used to the sound

[spice pecan]

if you play on not-low audio channels you will literally freeze and crash lmao

[cobalt blade]

yeea

[proud gorge]

last I played it was Ice Spear, which doesn't really produce a satisfying rhythm

[pulsar dune]

There were also the versium spider specters that made a funny noise

[cobalt blade]

you should try creeping frost

[pulsar dune]

But spectre build 😩

[proud gorge]

because the ice spears are just constantly going out

[cobalt blade]

Its sound is so satisfying

[spice pecan]

it's ice spear/creeping frost/freezing pulse

so lots of shatter sfx

[proud gorge]

just a constant stream of ice spears yeah

[spice pecan]

i almost want to try my std wardlooper again but on high audio channels

[proud gorge]

like listening to slushy ice go over a very short waterfall

[spice pecan]

i havent played high audio channels in like 2 years

[pulsar dune]

I should figure out a juicy HoI build sometime

To hear HoI pops

[cobalt blade]

I did 2 5l's of ice spear/creeping in chest and a 6l of eye of winter/spark/whatever other skill looked pretty at the time in weapon back when i played lol

[spice pecan]

the helm + runegraft of the angler

[pulsar dune]

But it's just not that real

[spice pecan]

have fun spending a mirror

on an autobomber that barely does 8mod t16s

[proud gorge]

hmm, time to come up with a character name

[cobalt blade]

Itll be giga bricked

No anomalous minion speed anymore

[proud gorge]

this league I've gone with an interesting theme, I've got Illiana_Mistblood and Dorian_Ironblood

[spice pecan]

no I have 3.25 spectre enchant on wands on wep swap

[proud gorge]

so I guess this character would be... Verania_Sparkblood?

[spice pecan]

the build functions entirely as it should

[cobalt blade]

oh is it a wardloop post trans gems?

[spice pecan]

it's 3.25 wardloop

[cobalt blade]

fair enough

[spice pecan]

was a test after the olroths nerf

but yea in the makers discord we used phantasm/spectre/whatever summon runesmith wands on wep swap to trigger the loop

mana donut and proxy shield rares still just fuck us tho

you cannot get to a cdr breakpoint, even on sabo, where you can ignore proxy shield

[cobalt blade]

Its impossible to do because of skele dura lol

[spice pecan]

well, skele duration is locked at -74% exactly

no more, no less

so yeah

[cobalt blade]

without maybe giga saccing your trigger speed outside of proxy bubbles

[spice pecan]

you have to loop outside of skeletons

[cobalt blade]

Yeah so its just always gonna be misaligned with the less cdr given by proxy

[spice pecan]

which is outside the scope of what i know about wardloop tbh

[cobalt blade]

oh right its been changed to like the weird srs shit now right

srs/zombies 6l loop

[spice pecan]

it's changed to a different trigger every league

just in settlers we had a relatively easy trigger with runecrafting on wands on the wep swap

so you would just weapon swap twice and then fukn blast

[cobalt blade]

i should look into that more at some point havent touched loopers since i think kalandra?

[spice pecan]

nowadays you might need a lawnmower start or find some obscure shit

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats what we did with the spectral wolf essence too

[spice pecan]

traditional wardloop is a "fine" build but is not really "good"

[cobalt blade]

i just enjoy the playstyle lol

[frigid wedge]

so

[spice pecan]

wardloop is my favorite type of build besides wanders

[frigid wedge]

autobomber

[whole bluff]

Wut, I have -97% duration and less duration on skellies. Am I doing something wrong?

[cobalt blade]

funny to do ubers on them with the very very severe lack of defence

[frigid wedge]

not enough cdrr?

[cobalt blade]

you line up your skeledura with cdr

if your going pure skele trigger

which that sounds correct for 27% cdr

[whole bluff]

Yeah, it works, but it sounded like I have like a 20th of the duration of other stuff

[cobalt blade]

if it's a 9/16? less dura

or 9/20

[frigid wedge]

isnt raise zombie of falling easier for looper

or is it just better for low investment setup

[whole bluff]

They can be interacted with while falling supposedly

[frigid wedge]

bc it dies on impact

[cobalt blade]

idk it used to be fully skeletons back when i played them

[frigid wedge]

so u dont have to touch duration

[cobalt blade]

everything else was too shit/vulnerable to dying off timer

[whole bluff]

Falling zombie can freeze mid air though

Supposedly

[frigid wedge]

Skeles would drf trigger faster but i imagine zombie can get u started earlier

[cobalt blade]

prolly

Nowadays its like 4-6 jewel sockets for skellies

[frigid wedge]

leaguestart wardlooper

[wicked lantern]

what's up with the instance crashes after the patch? I get an instance crash once per map 🙁

[whole bluff]

Ah, it's 19/0 with 0% CDR. It's just a jank doodling with jiquani

[cobalt blade]

Ah i see

[whole bluff]

Assassin all dmg poisons

ES to ward helm

But gear is atrocious

[frigid wedge]

btw what does scion even get

that benefits loop

[cobalt blade]

flask sustain

pathfinder

[frigid wedge]

for what

olroth?

[cobalt blade]

Olroths resolve the whole thing ward*loopers are built around

It lets you run 3 or 4 flasks with enough investment over 2

[frigid wedge]

I've seen it without so wasnt sure

[cobalt blade]

Thats a wardless looper which is fairly different in how its built usually actually going ele for ninelives

(and ele being highest damage)

[split maple]

comet?

[cobalt blade]

#2┃general

this be the poe1 chat comet isnt a thing here

[split maple]

cmon i want to play how long will they need to realize game 😄

[cobalt blade]

lol

[frigid wedge]

maligaros lens moment

[whole bluff]

Hmm. Now that I explained how shit the char is anyway, here's my looper https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/Vinchova-6627/character/DefinitelyNotDrunkTwo

[cobalt blade]

why would they go lens

They just get recoup for a good 20-40k life per second

since you take absurd amounts of self damage

[frigid wedge]

bc its extra recovery

[cobalt blade]

but its awful

[frigid wedge]

https://pobb.in/u/ifnjeff/lensloop

[spice pecan]

i can't upload more than 50mb but

my standard wardlooper absolutely still works and there are still ways to trigger the loop outside of 3.25 wand enchants\

the question is "is it worth it" and i would say "very no"

[whole bluff]

Ah, I should have considered volatile dead

[spice pecan]

722 deaths in less than 500k kills

[cobalt blade]

This suddenly makes more sense its a minion instability build lol

so -res means they die faster

[cobalt blade]

small amounts of deaths

[frigid wedge]

the default attack is killing me

[whole bluff]

My build was so shit I farmed up for my next one in t7 with white maps

The elementalist whooped the ass of content that whooped the ass of the looper by lvl 76 lul

[stuck brook]

sounds like my first build that made it to endgame :D

[whole bluff]

xD

I was just experimenting, didn't have much time to play, never found anything whatsoever that I liked spellcasting-wise on assassin. Settled for cwdt, played it while watching YouTube and farmed up the next char

[stuck brook]

yeah i feel that, i skipped this league just cos i couldn't think of a build i wanted to make

[whole bluff]

I came to the conclusion that build diversity idk, but there wasn't a single shadow I wanted to play

[frigid wedge]

smth smth sabo

[whole bluff]

But sabo what? 😭

[frigid wedge]

wardloop

[stuck brook]

was bound to run out of build ideas sooner or later, it took only like 32 leagues

[proud gorge]

clearly you should play the Sabo build I found earlier

[whole bluff]

Hmm. I guess I prolly nerfed my options cuz I really wanted to play CoC

[proud gorge]

Foulborn Kitava's Thirst CoC Soulrend of the Spiral Jiquani's Sabo

[whole bluff]

But wardloop just to bring in the dough, sure that could have worked. But economy is so fucked that t7 maps are very good maps

[proud gorge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/IverzonX-0899/ImStrikeCJ

[whole bluff]

I saw it xD

The state of jiquani is funny

[proud gorge]

I mean, clearly it's everything you want lmao, an assassin CoC build

[whole bluff]

Staves are awkward, blood magic int stack is giga awkward, but the number is obscene

[noble gale]

Guys help. If I kill the architect or atziri and then I protect my chain, may I still lose some rooms or are they protected from any type of destabilize?

[whole bluff]

Lul

[whole bluff]

This channel for poe 2 #2┃general

[proud gorge]

traverse thyself to the second general forum

[silent leaf]

https://youtu.be/qfEKLAEfRt0 holy shit are we getting tane back

[barren river]

It's probably for 3.29

[noble gale]

Oh sorry I just click general without looking😅

[barren river]

Also, I did a tiny bit of work on the wikipedia page for POE!

[whole bluff]

Npnp

[proud gorge]

but yeah, one of the things I love about PoE is the absolute infinite depth of build possibilities available

[barren river]

I finally wrote about Keepers

[proud gorge]

I've played between 10 and 30 builds every league I've played, since Incursion league, and never once played the same build twice

[granite bloom]

anyone selling blueprint lv83? i check price is 10c. But when i put all of my 10c, 3 mins and all gone

I wonder if i got bait

[proud gorge]

and I'm not even close to seeing the bottom

I'm still paddling on the surface as far as builds go

[barren river]

I've played POE for 1.5 years, and I was kind of varied

[cobalt blade]

were they revealed

[proud gorge]

the pool of build variety is nearly infinitely deep

[granite bloom]

no, just raw from map

[cobalt blade]

prolly just people clicking new listings to hopefully load faster then

10c sounds about right for unrevealed

[barren river]

I played a scuffed manaman, a zenith char, doryani ls(in settlers), hb mines(in phrecia), ele hit of the spectrum and fross in mercs and right now, 12l flicker

[split maple]

How many bps are even on the market so late in league

[proud gorge]

it's why I find it ridiculous and also insulting when people insist that PoE's build variety is bad, particularly in PoE2 discussions. Like, my guy, maybe that's the impression you get from meta-heads who play exclusively the single most meta build every league and nothing else, but the game is wide as fuck

[split maple]

Like folks run what 70/h they buying them in bulk

[barren river]

meta slavery is not very varied

[split maple]

Even meta is kinda wide this league

[granite bloom]

yeah, i just somehow doesnt like to build those build that are common.

[barren river]

I like good builds tbh

I am still traumatised after the great manaman incident of 2024

BoO archmage

[granite bloom]

i like MY build even if it ... It's strong as f actually

[cobalt blade]

wuh orbiting was great on archmage

[proud gorge]

PoE2 defenders going "oh PoE1's build diversity is bad, the only meta skills that are good at the ones that are basically ranged" like bitch, first off that hasn't been true for years now, secondly that's literally one facet of one subtype of build, and thirdly even when they were "bad" they were still good, just not top tier due to difficulties in scaling both damage and defense

[barren river]

My setup was not

[cobalt blade]

I did all ubers with it week 1 that league

[cobalt blade]

Fair

[barren river]

It was a dual wand abomination

[pulsar dune]

There are two good true melee skills

At least

[barren river]

And flicker is not one of them

[proud gorge]

what are you talking about there's so many good strike skills

[cobalt blade]

reave the strongest true melee skill