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[umbral crag]

First league?

[fluid harbor]

nah i just dont craft clusters LOL

[umbral crag]

I mean, its the same as any piece of gear

[fluid harbor]

i only crafted weapons and armors

[umbral crag]

Fractured means u cannot do anything to it anymore

[umbral crag]

Pretty sure fractured mods exists on them

[fluid harbor]

yeah but i bought bases on them for cheaper

like the factured mod %

[umbral crag]

Yeah, same applies in terms of divine orbs. Cant be changed

[fluid harbor]

i meant i buy them with good divine already

[umbral crag]

Yeah, u buy fractured bases because the fractured mods cant be affected by anything u do to the item during ur crafting steps, so divine orbs is no different.

[fluid harbor]

BRUH

[pulsar dune]

go agane

[umbral crag]

You'll be in for a whale of a time in cluster crafting for the firstntime

[umbral crag]

I wouldn't have regaled anything less than t1 int or 35%

Unless this was chaos spamming

[fluid harbor]

i never did an attribute stack build

[umbral crag]

Yeah for stackers gears are easy to craft. Its usually the clusters that are a pain

[pulsar dune]

helicals can be a bit of a pain as well

[umbral crag]

True and simplex ig

Well simplex isnt hard, just takes shit tons of currency

[fluid harbor]

yea

[hard cliff]

grats'

[elder marlin]

more likely harvest go

[blissful zodiac]

so we both just be selling 21 20 gems for 3 divs eh

[fluid harbor]

i think it was 21 23

wait convocation max lvl is 1

so it was like 2 23 LOL

[blissful zodiac]

Free $$$

[fluid harbor]

literally

that extra level doesnt even matter

i guess people just wanna call their build min maxed

[steel light]

killing ransomer actually gives good money

[shrewd token]

guys anyone getting failed to connect to instance ??

[fluid harbor]

whats the spectres used in the accuracy stacker build?

[opaque sphinx]

@split maple what u think about swapping a harbi scarab for nemeses

[fluid harbor]

yeah it seems the guy im buying to in trade is experiencing it too lol

and yeah me too

[opaque sphinx]

yeh is like 50k

[opaque sphinx]

none if ur not a 4head

spectre is for pob padding only on non minion/pf builds

[elder marlin]

If i recomb suffix, should i gamble and annul the prefix?

Or just recomb

[opaque sphinx]

for what

[fluid harbor]

then what do i put in extra sockets

[opaque sphinx]

auras/ass mark on hit/cwdt IC/whirl with reflect immunity+slower AS/sigil of power/frost shield cwdt

there's plenty options that aren't bait

[elder marlin]

T1 dot t1 chaos dot t1 cast speed wand

[steel light]

44k, but without paying 50k adds up to 94k

[opaque sphinx]

just recomb, if ur worried later u can sufflock scour

[elder marlin]

How rare r dot and chaos dot?

[opaque sphinx]

dot one of the rarest suffix

[steel light]

wand?

[pulsar dune]

300 weight on wand, yea

But T1 chaos dot multi is 50

[pulsar dune]

(well, assuming GGG didn't change the weights)

[steel light]

died to verisium charged mobs twice, lost all 16% exp

[pulsar dune]

Versium has no reason to be this terrifying

[steel light]

i died in 2 hits, i'm cws

[last zenith]

How tf did i join this server

[steel light]

u clicked any weird links about cryto +$2500 with 4 pics?

[stuck phoenix]

Need help fixing that? :p

[last zenith]

Nope it just randomly appeared lmao

[stuck phoenix]

Uh huh

Definitely didn't click a link to join

[last zenith]

Yes 100% sure

[stuck phoenix]

I will also point out that you joined a minute before sending your message

So it'd be in that time frame that you clicked on the join link

Wherever you found it

Or if you looked in discord for public discords

[hard cliff]

welcome welcome

[stuck phoenix]

Oh he left

Or did he

He did

Amazing

[steel light]

always knew @stuck phoenix is a bully

[stuck phoenix]

Lul

[tawdry olive]

Maybe he wanted to join the appreciation discord for Edgar Allan Poe

[stuck phoenix]

Totally not like he, actually I have no idea what he wanted to do

[hard cliff]

@stuck phoenix

I hope you're happy jerk

he could have been a whale

now who will fund next league

[hard cliff]

I would join that too

poe is great

[marble kiln]

i love when shadewalker tps me into a pack of enemies and i get gangbanged and die

[opaque sphinx]

45 strands wont get a t4 to t1 will it

[hard cliff]

I honestly hated that

but you do you

still an amazing belt

[hard cliff]

you will

I believe

is that a real abyss socket or hacked

[opaque sphinx]

real

[hard cliff]

woah

[opaque sphinx]

45 didn't take t2 to t1

do we bother tryna elevate with t2 int

i guess so

[hard cliff]

@opaque sphinx

lock it first

[opaque sphinx]

nah its not near that hard to hit again haha

[fluid harbor]

using an iron ring is so cursed LMAO

[gritty garnet]

you can always vaal the implicit away

[hard cliff]

we want the hover

[fluid harbor]

i mean its pretty useful

considering i attack so many times with little damage

[hard cliff]

I was testing you

[umbral crag]

Do it

[fluid harbor]

crazy price

[tawdry olive]

Get 23 int as a stopgap for now

[fluid harbor]

yeah 15c

i did say its a budget build

honestly i might spend 10d just to make my armor sockets white pain peko

[split maple]

Ik some people swaped beyond for Nemeses and then took beyond via map device or smh like that

Heard good stuff bout it but idk didn't try myself

[umbral crag]

Just do some cheap cogwork stuff with kalandras

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/usada-pekora-death-stranding-2-sam-porter-pekora-sam-porter-bridges-gif-1589521948617373724

[fluid harbor]

i spent less this time

but when i did it before it took me that much lmao

also i run out of gold so i cant upgrade anymore xd

[umbral crag]

https://pobb.in/GGoLTw4me9i4 my old budget self crafted int acc stack kek, how far 60d can bring u

Comes with thick pads tho kekw

[umbral crag]

Gz

[opaque sphinx]

ty

[umbral crag]

Kira proccing every lucky hits

[tawdry olive]

Pog

Div it and start slamming

[fluid harbor]

whats your bloodline ascendancy

[violet flame]

Balls

[worldly bridge]

Cro my internet went down

This is why both games need an offline mode

How am i gonna get my nightly hit of dopamine without poe

[opaque sphinx]

hotspot, ur data seems to work fine

[worldly bridge]

Dont have a good hotsplt

The latency would rubber band me all over

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/gnarp-gif-17674531964713888266

[spice pecan]

1div

we get determ now

[stuck phoenix]

But that's malevolence

[spice pecan]

yeah, malev has no reserve now so i can fit in determ

[stuck phoenix]

Wow math

(I did figure that)

[stuck phoenix]

The +9 es is sad but lots of int mmm

[spice pecan]

been live searching for malev/determ all week and randomly some guy in global posted it and asked if it was worth anything

[stuck phoenix]

@earnest raven 🤨

[stray sedge]

abyss socket is prefix?

[stuck phoenix]

And you said no, give me, it's trash, I'll throw it away for you?

[opaque sphinx]

[spice pecan]

i gave him a div actually, all the other ones on trade are like 1-2d

[stuck phoenix]

His prefixes are mana, es life, and es

[spice pecan]

my last did

[stray sedge]

wait all 3 of the important mods are suffixes, then we're good

keep on goin

the worst of it is over

[stuck phoenix]

Fair enough then

Thought it was more expensive

[umbral crag]

At the budget range i find the breachlord bloodline superior using 2 synaptic ring. Only pass a certain threshold does the farrul bloodline wins.

[opaque sphinx]

crafting bench in menagerie when

[umbral crag]

Gives you full lightning pen

[stuck phoenix]

Blood altar in hideout when

[fluid harbor]

oh i went with farrul

[spice pecan]

some of the shitty ones are like a dozen ish chaos lmao

[stuck phoenix]

Ngl if they added blood altar hideout decor, how many wouldn't buy it

[stuck phoenix]

Well, it's a massive difference in benefit with a 35% aura vs a 50% aura

[umbral crag]

Yeah i can see kekw. I did a few pob testing and iirc farrul bloodlines only start edging over breachlord bloodline at around 2.8k int imo. But also much higher budget for farrul. Breachlord bloodline is just a super dirt cheap version at the start

[spice pecan]

oh true, i didnt think about that

[fluid harbor]

demn

[stuck phoenix]

Xddd

[spice pecan]

i just offered him my last divine

[stuck phoenix]

Well the zealotry is a div

[spice pecan]

true, and purity of elements is 2

[stuck phoenix]

But how much is a malev roll

[spice pecan]

no idea, determ and malev ones don't exist in the PL

at least on trade

[stuck phoenix]

Lul

[umbral crag]

At about 3k int is when farrul just blast past breachlord though

[stuck phoenix]

That's because people buy them

[opaque sphinx]

closest i can get

[spice pecan]

idk ive been live searching

[spice pecan]

and haven't gotten a ping

[stuck phoenix]

Definitely worth more than zeal lel

[stuck phoenix]

Yeah but imagine no loading screen

[spice pecan]

if i am a scammer then at least i am ignorant of it

[stuck phoenix]

But also lol

[stuck phoenix]

Not if I make you aware

[spice pecan]

you cannot rewrite history smh

[stuck phoenix]

I remember looking at aul determ and just going nope

[spice pecan]

i haven't looked at what the prices are like in keepers tbf

[stuck phoenix]

I haven't looked in keepers either

It's just 90c

A div is probably fair enough

Maybe people are farming aul more because of the bloodline

Or maybe the amulet has just been powercrept

[spice pecan]

yeah, i haven't actually seen anyone offering aul taxi in the global

[stuck phoenix]

Or it was popular for some build

[spice pecan]

maybe ppl are doing it in trade, or they're just killing aul straight up

[stuck phoenix]

I just remember it was expensive

[spice pecan]

yeah, i need to math out if a level 3 enlighten gets me another decent aura or not now

[stuck phoenix]

But that was like more than a year ago

[spice pecan]

the only other build i see using it with any frequency is like, budget aurabots

like giga low budget

[stuck phoenix]

Oh maybe it was before determ nerf

Man

[spice pecan]

i legit wonder if i should path to iron reflexes for 2pts and use grace instead

since magebane is happening for suppress cap eventually anyways

[stuck phoenix]

Grace is only good if you swap to eva gear though

If ur using armour gear atm

[spice pecan]

armor/eva is good enough right?

[stuck phoenix]

Iirc yes

Probably

[spice pecan]

yeah should be fine maybe

[stuck phoenix]

PoB moment if ur lazy

[spice pecan]

isnt there some breach strat with cursed maps this league

i krangled my memory tear burial chambers before i realized what map it was so i now have a nice shiny cursed map

[fluid harbor]

so much corpses smh

[split maple]

yeah but it rly want small compact layout like coves

[spice pecan]

apparently it's literally just for graftblood

[split maple]

you basically enter cursed map check if fort spawned leave map

[spice pecan]

since cursed maps have like zero quant

[split maple]

also for gifts

[spice pecan]

wait, does the quant penalty affect fortress?

[split maple]

gift and blood loot is barely impacted by quant

[spice pecan]

oooh

[split maple]

yeah you go from 5-6k blood to 4k blood

like no biggie

[spice pecan]

yeah i have way too much blood and no gifts

[split maple]

but you rly want coves since in it checking for fort spawn is 2sec

[spice pecan]

if i get a good layout in this thread i might just curse it

yeah

[split maple]

its kinda burn out quick strat tho, i ran it for few weekends and its rly tedious

80 loading screens per hour kinda tedious

[spice pecan]

sheesh

[stray sedge]

always unfortunate timing when global is open lol

[whole bluff]

Are loading screens affected by proximity to server? More than in like the fraction of a second of latency?

[fluid harbor]

global chat is peak comedy

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I just like that kind of brainrot

[umbral crag]

@split maple i am a new convert of the breach mechanic since it gave me my first apoth ever in poe kekw

[whole bluff]

There was a new brand of soda that came to Stockholm. Name is literally "Brainrot Soda", I felt obligated to sponsor by buying one

Though idr if global was a lot of politics, rather avoid that

[spice pecan]

i would guess it's more affected by the type of drive you have the game installed on, at least that's how loading screens in some other games work

[whole bluff]

Makes sense

[split maple]

apoths are overated

wretched gave me my mb this league

[minor orchid]

new update changed knockback, i get interrupted by magic missiles stopping my cast wtf

[umbral crag]

Damnit HAHAH

[proud gorge]

man, I gotta say, the most annoying part of playing this CWS Glad build is just having a really hard time levelling it up

since it's a hyperspecialized Ultimatum build, you can't really easily farm XP off anything other than ultimatums or other content where the enemies just run directly at you in a small circle

if only the old breachstones still existed

that would probably be good content to level up on

[umbral crag]

Even more disgusting

[torpid palm]

err, dumb question, how do I unspec Wavering Vision? Would I have to unspec all the 20 nodes granted by it first??

[opaque sphinx]

tyty

[spice pecan]

i believe you need 20 unallocated points to unspec it yeah

[torpid palm]

yeahhh okay sweet, makes sense.

thx

[proud gorge]

you should really be allowed to unspec it with 19 free points also

you just end up with 0 free points afterwards

[spice pecan]

doesn't that create an issue like extractor tricking for zerg in starcraft tho

where you can go over your supply limit (in this case free atlas point)

because unwavering vision is 1 point and then you get 20 points on top of that

so it's technically 21 points of investment

[proud gorge]

I mean, this wouldn't create a free atlas point, since the point gained for unspeccing Unwavering Vision would be the 20th point, leaving you with 0 left

[umbral crag]

Probably for easier coding purposes, less if or logic included

[spice pecan]

i mean it's 21 points allocated total

20 plus the 1 from unwavering itself

[proud gorge]

technically speaking Unwavering Vision is only worth 19 passive points, since you have to spend one on Unwavering Vision itself

[spice pecan]

sure, but it's 21 points that you actually end up allocating

[proud gorge]

so you lose 1 point to gain 20 points, thus 19 "extra" points

[spice pecan]

yeah, i see what you mean

but you end up clicking 21 nodes is what i'm sayin

[proud gorge]

sure, but in this case, let's say you take Unwavering, then spend 1 point elsewhere, leaving you with 19 unspent points. If you then unspec Unwavering, it leaves you at 0 points, as though you'd just spent the point spent on Unwavering on that other thing

[umbral crag]

At the end of the day its small and inconsequential design choice to the game regardless. Can't say the same about today's GGG decisions kekw

[proud gorge]

but yeah, it's pretty minor

[spice pecan]

which is precisely the issue i brought up - you end up with an extra atlas point that remains allocated

that shouldn't be

[proud gorge]

except that "extra" point is just the point that you originally spent on Unwavering

which is now unspecced

[spice pecan]

no no, you said "then spend 1 point elsewhere"

[cobalt blade]

but youd get 0 points back after unspeccing unwavering in that situation

(if they made it work like that) instead of the 1 back from unwavering

[spice pecan]

i see what you mean

that seems a bit awkward and exploitable idk

i think it's just easier to say "you clicked 21 nodes, you unspec 21 nodes"

[cobalt blade]

for sure lol

[tranquil sedge]

feel like this conversation would a lot smoother if you fellas just wrote it simply instead of complicating it with numbers

lmao

like who gives a shit if its 19 or 20 or 21 everyone knows what you meant

[warm forum]

No it's not, if you're unspeccing it you need 20 free points. Look at it this way.
You have 1 point - you spec unwavering
You now have 20 points

[cobalt blade]

maybe some server crash exploit

[proud gorge]

Let's say you have 41 atlas points available, and have 40 allocated already. You spend the 41st point on Unwavering, giving you +20 free points, leaving you with 61 total atlas points, 41 spent and 20 free.

You then spend one free point on something else, leaving you with 42 spent and 19 free. Then you unspec Unwavering with 19 free points, losing the 19 free points and the 1 point from Unwavering, leaving you with 41 total points spent and available.

[spice pecan]

my weaponized autism is flaring up srev don't do this to me

[tranquil sedge]

[warm forum]

Yo can't unspec it with 19 because you already use 1 from unwavering

[proud gorge]

the point is that the one point you would gain from unspeccing Unwavering could add to the 19 free, thus making 20

leaving you with 0 free points

but also no Unwavering

it would mainly just save you one extra atlas respec

guys it's my first double divine drop lmao

[jagged raven]

i wanna play poe so badly but my internet is so bad omg

[warm forum]

Yeah it could, would be cool tho but I can see why they made it that way. What I don't see is how they haven't made sirus port you back to hideout

[tight plinth]

download more internet

[jagged raven]

they capped it so i cant

i gotta change my isp

:)

[tight plinth]

respec isp

[spice pecan]

unrelated note; has anyone ever experienced a bug where the ingame trade search just keeps scrolling to the bottom

unplugged keyboard and same deal

[jagged raven]

not enough skill points or refunds points left to respect isp

[tight plinth]

mine erases what i type, every time

[jagged raven]

lol

[tight plinth]

so i have to type what im looking for twice

[cobalt blade]

gotta make you load everyones mtx smh my head

[proud gorge]

oh huh, Reality fragments are expensive

[warm forum]

I swear my load time gets worse each league and it makes sirus more annoying to run

[jagged raven]

u farm sirus?

[cobalt blade]

ive experienced it with other scroll bars in poe usually clicking it fixes it

not sure what causes it though

[warm forum]

I run uber feared now, but sirus was profitable by himself

Even now

What else was i gonna do with my conq frags

I ran a lot of conq invitations last league

[jagged raven]

uber sirus or normal?

[proud gorge]

why are Reality fragments so much more expensive than all the other fragments? I get that Maven has some good drops, but it probably shouldn't be this much higher with just that. Does it just have a way lower drop rate than all the other fragments or something?

[jagged raven]

i just run harvest but i want to change to some other farming

[gritty epoch]

Mainly drops I think

[cobalt blade]

progenesis woke gems and exceptional woke gems

[jagged raven]

tried cards, beast but not profitable could be bad rng from me

[warm forum]

Uber is cheaper now i think, and the orbs have the same chances afaik

[cobalt blade]

just has infinitely better drops

[split maple]

fortress doesnt have reality frag bias

[jagged raven]

i cant kill uber sirus too diifficult one shots me

[warm forum]

If you can kill uber sirus comfortably then uber for sure

[umbral crag]

Strong enuf to do invig blight?

[cobalt blade]

its zigg and abom with reality and people do farma good bit of zigg

[warm forum]

I can consistently just phase him before he does anything really

[jagged raven]

with phasing flask?

[warm forum]

So my kill is limited by yapping and load times

[umbral crag]

Phase as in skip the phases

[cobalt blade]

how boring and small D:

[umbral crag]

Sirus has multiple phases of rounds

[split maple]

my uber sirus kills look like instaphase him 3 times, die to a storm, waste 5 portals to get back to him, somehow do last phase on last portal

[jagged raven]

my mageblood keeps me in phasing always right?

[cobalt blade]

love the 2 minutes of rp 5 seconds of fighting and 2 minutes waiting for him to not sit under a storm

[cobalt blade]

yes

[umbral crag]

Yes but you're misunderstanding the word here lmao

[warm forum]

I swap my tincture on last phase so i can kill him immediately

[umbral crag]

We not talking the phasing buff

[jagged raven]

oh

[umbral crag]

@jagged raven readdddd

[jagged raven]

beam and the circle trap 1shots me so fast

ohhhh

[warm forum]

It's a gamble without the tincture. And i run life flask on early phases in case i get hit with nasty shit

[jagged raven]

got it

[split maple]

you rly shouldnt try to tank these two

[jagged raven]

but he shoots beams so fast i just get one shot

[split maple]

like its just not worth the defensive investment

oh the lil beam not the kamehame?

[jagged raven]

cant kill him then :(

both one shots me

[cobalt blade]

Oh are you dying to the auto attack beam

[split maple]

idk i just gamba block will handle the laser

3k phys max hit bossing 👍

[warm forum]

Unironically just get more damage. It's not worth doing mechanics on that boss

It's such a toss up imo

[jagged raven]

ig im too newbie lol

[umbral crag]

Still no luck on unbricked crit chance corrupt sigh

[cobalt blade]

his mechanics arent too bad until last phase tbf its worth learning those atleast

[split maple]

and hes practically same as nonuber, so easy access to practice

[cobalt blade]

make sure your always next to him and circle around him/never let him off screen

oh also weird tip for uber the storm cant pass through him

Like the one he summons

so you can just be next to him opposite of storm lol

[tight plinth]

pro tip doing sirus, dont die. if you can do that youre golden

[jagged raven]

ok

[zinc stump]

Proer tip just dont do uber sirus

[warm forum]

Start next phase immediately once he gets out if the storm. He clears the area around him so it doesn't actually matter if you're trapped

[spice pecan]

dont let kira see that

[warm forum]

It just gets cleared

[split maple]

does anyone have minimum viable lightning res stack kboc pob (idealy small clusterinos not adorned)? i am rly struggling to find the point where it beats conventional version that isnt a bunch of 3p voices

like i deleted pob now 3 times in disgust

[tight plinth]

kira is an uber sirus enjoyer?

[zinc stump]

Kira knows

[cobalt blade]

True

[spice pecan]

they've been farming it in here for like, weeks

lmao

[cobalt blade]

its not good without going voices

[split maple]

didnt kira mostly do the new ubers and just like 100 usiruses in last batch

[warm forum]

And he looks at the direction he's going to blink in. You can give chase immediately

[cobalt blade]

or adorned

[tight plinth]

whats kira hunting for?

[zinc stump]

@opaque sphinx uber sirus sucks

[cobalt blade]

You basically need atleast 7-8 good smalls to make lightning res worth it over going for a righteous providence steal setup

[split maple]

i can see that kinda yea, like just not enough jewel slots for all unique jewels + smalls

[cobalt blade]

Yea

[split maple]

i am at this kinda awkward point in league when its hard to find rly worthwhile upgrades for current builds (okay i am procrastinating farming dominances for my brander) but i am not yet psychologicaly ready to start working on accustacker

[cobalt blade]

acc stacker isnt thaaat bad

Worst thing is some cluster alting

[spice pecan]

ventrua voided in the PL on int/acc stack jugg and said "i didn't really like the build anyways"

[cobalt blade]

which if your considering lightning res stack is quite a bit less shit lmfao

[spice pecan]

absolute gigachad

[whole bluff]

Ngl, this build meta confuses me. I feel like people are just saying all of endgame is lacking and there's no reason to scale characters on the one hand, on the other hand to do the best strat which seems to be invigo blight you need like 100m+ dps?

[cobalt blade]

100m be low

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[compact bronze]

will there be new supporter packs next league?, or atleast likely?

[spice pecan]

i think it's more of, the only thing really worth farming is something that is obscenely overtuned in terms of health/tankiness

[cobalt blade]

like a mirror or 2 of investment into a decent build at best lower if you forego defence(which you cant for blight)

[thick goblet]

did u look at ninja snapshots? like maybe look at sebk's toon early on

[cobalt blade]

But compare that to prev league where you could basically toss infinite at your build and still struggle with bad mod combos

[proud gorge]

People just really want to run extremely high explicit max delirium T17s

[warm forum]

My PC will probably die to blight. It can't even load half the things on the incarnation bosses

[whole bluff]

So I literally farm 2 mirrors of essences in t7 maps, to make a build that can actually do juiced content (that is worth juicing), and then why do I farm on that? Can anything but accu stacker even do it?

[warm forum]

I collect the roses by finding red and blue lights on the ground

[cobalt blade]

blight is genuinely more of a pc check than build check

[whole bluff]

But everyone is talking about dead juicing no loot vs invigo blight

[cobalt blade]

It does require a good build but alot of the difficulty comes from your game not shitting itself lmfao

[proud gorge]

yeah

[spice pecan]

i mean probably sure, you can still go like a giga str stacker or armor stacker or [insert non-dex/light radius stacker here]

[cobalt blade]

Saaame

And the dread fire explosion just doesnt load until ive fought like 8 of them in a session

[proud gorge]

here's my extremely dumb idea, a chain of notables at the top of the atlas tree that make your maps increasingly punishingly difficult for lower and lower returns. Just like, a little chain of pure notables winding its way upwards, probably ending with a Keystone.

[cobalt blade]

id run them for fun

[proud gorge]

that's the idea yeah

[whole bluff]

You get like 10 essences in a normal 3 scarab + map craft + atlas map right?

10-11

[umbral crag]

The issue is that the best farm which is invig blight doesn't produce significantly more currency then the next best options. Its like marginally better for alot more investments

[warm forum]

Uber dread with maven and it's funny for me. Maven will delay spawning the other incarnations because why the fuck not but still not load them fully

[whole bluff]

Damn

[cobalt blade]

lmfao

yeah thats always fun fighting invisible things

[warm forum]

Half the time it's just the robes rendering

[umbral crag]

I farm it with pbod herald stacksd too. Kboc hiero can too. Ngl mamba pf lowkey might be able to, i wanna test it later

[warm forum]

The feared is fully guesswork for me

[cobalt blade]

feared thankfully atleast loads for me

Might take a few seconds but they load

[warm forum]

Sirus walls won't load for me in time

[cobalt blade]

sounds like a fun maze to do

[warm forum]

If i can't move I just think the walls are up

I just go to the direction the red blasts come from

[cobalt blade]

have you had maven clone sirus and trap you yet

one of the absolute funniest things with sirus being fixed in the feared

[warm forum]

Yes

[cobalt blade]

nice

[split maple]

waiting for either one to finish or for dread slam to land

just ridiculus

[cobalt blade]

atleast it gives you los from the other sirus members

Your just jailed for a bit lol

tho i do hope they put atziri back in over dread or sirus lot more fun of a fight

or make it all 6

[warm forum]

Cortex puddles do it for me. Doubly annoying cuz maven summons the guy and then the guy summons the boss

[cobalt blade]

they do suck without phys mit yeah

[warm forum]

Like come on just let me smack the boss immediately

[split maple]

there is now enough pinacles for a few different versions of feared. like make one the ol feared, and one with idk sirus, dread, king in the mist, the new breach boss pair

[whole bluff]

If essence gives 1.5 corrupted essence per map, 15 bad deafening essence per map, and 1 raw deafening spite/scorn.

• Takes 19/2×15 harvest flips to make it all spite/scorn, harvest flip is 30 blue.
• 19/2×15×30=4275 blue
• 4275 blue is 43-84c -> say 60c
• 15+1 spite/scorn = 16×8.25c ish, -> 132c
• corrupted essence roughly 12×1.5c -> 18c
• 150c raw revenue
• say 10c for scarabs and vaals + 60c for juice, 70c total cost
• Kinda 0.5d per map excluding alva/einhar/loot, need to run like 600/0.5×2=2.4k maps to afford accu stack. Maybe halve it if Alva/Einhar/Loot is equal to essence in value

Meh

[warm forum]

Maven summons all bosses at once is great tho, it ramps my damage faster

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/quick-maths-mans-not-hot-gif-11163522

[cobalt blade]

one that has you witness every other witness

just a gauntlet of every boss at once

and you'll get a single splinter from it

[gritty epoch]

most of my accu stack budget comes from early investment, crafting for profit and farm non-stop early on and never upgrading my first character beyond certain point

[whole bluff]

I don't even wanna play accu stack 😭

[cobalt blade]

are you pricing at buying all the gear

[whole bluff]

I just figured someone said 2 mirror

[cobalt blade]

you can definitely get acc stack going at like 80-150d pretty damn well

[whole bluff]

And guesstimated them to 600d, which was probably incorrect

[split maple]

do you rly want to play 80-150d version of build tho

[gritty epoch]

1 mirror to at least work imo

[cobalt blade]

i dont see why you wouldnt

Its basically everything other than unique jewels/mageblood

oh and no simplex ofc but minmax thing lol

[whole bluff]

Maybe I just farm currency to get 40/40 and buy some broken foulborns if they go legacy

[gritty epoch]

https://pobb.in/wqkgu4PuUy4c early-ish pob

[cobalt blade]

i kinda jus disagree because you can absolutely get a fully t17 blasting setup going for 80-150 on cyclopean and a rare ammy(would go double influ over synth personally for the extra dmg per int but personal pref there)

its not like you need a simplex mageblood and emperors jewel etc

[gritty epoch]

at least decent clusters imo

[cobalt blade]

Yeah thats the 80-150 range depending on if you buy or craft

[gritty epoch]

it could work but u gotta switch temporary gears i guess

[split maple]

drop clusters to 25% eff and price should be reasonable, not like that impact int and all attrib

[gritty epoch]

i wouldnt bother without 1 mirror tbh

[split maple]

yeah under mirror doesnt look to me like it beats the is it better than 20div earthshatter test

[gritty epoch]

like also the grafts

[cobalt blade]

like take your setup here cut simplex/mageblood and go double/triple cluster(from levelling) and thats giga cheap

[cobalt blade]

yeah grafts do get a bit pricy

[gritty epoch]

sure it probably works

[cobalt blade]

definitely not but has higher scaling potential

+more fun fuck slams

[split maple]

Fuck slams for sure, but like you can respec your slammer to accustack whenever you want

I Just wouldn't personally go for early swap

[cobalt blade]

Fair enough

[split maple]

Like I am saving that build for last month due to that 😄

Like I didnt even make a heister yet stage of prep rn

[proud gorge]

so my idea would be something like:

1. Extreme Measures: 20% increased effect of Explicit Modifiers on your maps, your maps close if you die within them. 50% More monster damage and health.
2. Divine Punishment: All monsters in your maps are god-touched, 5% of monsters are upgraded to Rare. 50% More monster damage and health.
3. Endless Corruption: All monster packs are either Corrupted or Reflected. 50% More monster damage and health.
4. Ultimate Suffering: Your maps are affected by [4] random Ultimatum modifiers (affected by Explicit Modifier effect), and monster levels are increased by the same amount. 50% More monster damage and health.
5. Total Insanity: All enemies are both Sane and Insane. All enemies are Delirious. All enemies are Influenced. 100% More monster damage and health.
6. [Keystone] Unending Pain: All enemies in your map gain 2% increased attack and cast speed, 1% increased damage, and 0.1% increased item rarity, for each enemy killed in the map.

[cobalt blade]

gl ssfing the bases

[proud gorge]

though obviously maybe those numbers need further tuning

[cobalt blade]

5% of mobs to rares would be broken

[proud gorge]

yeah that's maybe a bit too high

[split maple]

I am gonna run 400 Wings or so then settle on basic ammy, prolly going for synaptic rings if cogies don't drop

[proud gorge]

though it does also only affect natural mobs

[split maple]

How many mobs do we get with juiced packsize?

That's like Alva+ level of rares from last leg

[cobalt blade]

couple thousand in 17's

[split maple]

Make it 0.05%

[opaque sphinx]

slammed the multi

[proud gorge]

the first couple are meant to be significantly rewarding in exchange for a big boost in difficulty, with the later ones being more of a big boost in difficulty for increasingly less return, but yeah maybe that one could be a good bit lower

[cobalt blade]

pog

[tranquil sedge]

All enemies in your map gain 2% increased attack and cast speed, 1% increased damage, and 0.1% increased item rarity, for each enemy killed in the map

you realize the average map probably has thousands of enemies

[cobalt blade]

why not grab a corrupted 6 stat abyss jewel with a bunch of int or have those gotten giga pricy now

[proud gorge]

yes lmao

[cobalt blade]

from the funny atlas nodes

[opaque sphinx]

already pricey and i have like 5d left

[cobalt blade]

Also yeah thats giga broken lmfao

[cobalt blade]

ah

[proud gorge]

I dream of the old "All monsters in a union of souls" modifier

[opaque sphinx]

spent 30-40 today making helm

[tranquil sedge]

you literally would not be able to do them lol without a zhp several* billion dps offscreen build or something

[split maple]

glittering cap ig

[cobalt blade]

whats ur hat?

[opaque sphinx]

the jewel base was 2d, spent 1d on lifeforce and hit it 2nd try

[cobalt blade]

It doesnt give them toughness youd just play a glad

[proud gorge]

I mean yeah, the idea is that the last keystone in the chain is meant to make maps functionally uncompletable

[cobalt blade]

dang nb

[proud gorge]

for any build

[opaque sphinx]

tyty

[cobalt blade]

pretty lucky hitting that under 100 div lmfao

[tranquil sedge]

like making things difficult just so u can't complete them is kinda weirdge

[pulsar dune]

All enemies are delicious is broken as fuck no

[cobalt blade]

mm tasty

[proud gorge]

the idea behind the last keystone is that the map becomes increasingly impossible, for any build, so how strong your build is determines how far through the map you can get, thus making it an infinitely ramping challenge for any build

[pulsar dune]

Honestly, I do prefer it over the current state where you don't have a challenge.

[cobalt blade]

but eh w/e the same as adding a deli orb

[opaque sphinx]

yeh i was mad i had 45 strands and it didnt up t2 int to t1, but then the dom orb hit first try and we got the prefixes in like 20 bristles

[tranquil sedge]

a challenge that has no point whatsoever to complete

[split maple]

folks will complete these maps week1 you know

[cobalt blade]

jeez

[tranquil sedge]

people do challenging shit because it has rewards

theres no point in a rewardless challenge

rarity is not worth the effort

[pulsar dune]

Deli orb is only some enemies

[proud gorge]

I mean, the entire theme of this "wheel" is that it's increasing challenge for increasingly little rewards, that's the point

[cobalt blade]

its any enemy within the fog

you just need to keep track of the fog

[pulsar dune]

Yea, not all enemies

[proud gorge]

it's not meant to be rewarding

[tranquil sedge]

in other words dev time that could be spent on making actually useful rewarding content

[thick goblet]

isn't this just union of souls

[tranquil sedge]

pretty much

[proud gorge]

it's literally the old "all monsters in a union of souls" mechanic, it's already in the game

they removed it because it was too difficult

[gritty epoch]

whats the equilvalent of that in D4

[split maple]

its still ingame, no?

[cobalt blade]

no health and the damage scaling on union is lower afaik

[pulsar dune]

All enemies means mobs from settlers/abyss etc are also delirious

[cobalt blade]

yes

[split maple]

and folks actually do these valdos

[cobalt blade]

i love doing the valdos with it lol

[proud gorge]

yeah, I think it's Valdos only now

[cobalt blade]

mildly awful with 2m radius though

[opaque sphinx]

getting closer

[cobalt blade]

triple or quad 12p?

and 2 or 3 ring

[opaque sphinx]

just 3

and 3

[cobalt blade]

ah ic

Not bad

[split maple]

very bloody awful with 2m radius 😄 i was doing a few on zhp brander and that was just pure brick mod

[opaque sphinx]

3rd ring is pretty ghetto but it has the cold res and -light i need

[cobalt blade]

guessing your missing emp jewels then

[cobalt blade]

ah ye i do them on giga tanky characters lmao

So its just a slight annoyance

[opaque sphinx]

yeh dont have them

i can add one in now that i got this abyss socket

[cobalt blade]

Ye ok makes sense with the int

[opaque sphinx]

also missing simplex

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I just like the idea of these increasingly stupid notables that are just there to make your maps increasingly impossible, entirely for people to be able to push their builds increasingly far for increasingly little benefit. That's why all the notables are just named various varieties of "infinite torture" or "endless punishment"

[split maple]

make that a delve rework then

[proud gorge]

if people want the Big Juice, give them the Big Juice

make it bigger than they've ever seen before

[split maple]

folks dont rly care about big juice if its not rewarding

[proud gorge]

I mean, depends on the person

[split maple]

like at the end all content is trivial anyways

[whole bluff]

Imo, delve should scale faster on low depth tbh

[split maple]

No.

[cobalt blade]

ultra risk scarab that applies back to basics and adds every single map mod scaled by it to the map

[tranquil sedge]

doesn't really depend on the person, player counts reflect it just fine

[gritty epoch]

Revert sanctum nerf

[whole bluff]

And maybe you could burn sulphite on low depths to reduce difficulty so niko nodes make any form of sense

[opaque sphinx]

wit is 50d and mastery is 100d

[cobalt blade]

Yup

[tranquil sedge]

and if you had builds that could run these maps you'd be better off just runing valdos instead lmao

[proud gorge]

what are you talking about? I thought the entire complaint this league was that "big juice" is dead

[tranquil sedge]

literally zero point to running that last mod for example

[tranquil sedge]

you do understand juice = reward also

[cobalt blade]

they are rare as fuck in lab so the main source is valdos valdos are rarer this league so less supply they get pricy

[tranquil sedge]

you do, right?

[proud gorge]

yes, and there are rewards, up to the final "keystone"

[opaque sphinx]

heck

[whole bluff]

Juice is rewarding, you can always 100% deli originator maps with risk scarab

[proud gorge]

the final keystone is also technically rewarding, but incredibly minimally, because you're not supposed to take it

[gritty epoch]

Fubgun followers thinking that you can only get rich from raw currency drops

[proud gorge]

like, the nodes up to the final node are meant to be rewarding, the "keystone", distinguished by it being a keystone, is not. It's meant to just be dumb

[split maple]

yea issue this leg is that doing that wont be very rewarding

[cobalt blade]

Im ngl without doing miserable stuff like scarab farming that would barely pay itself off with risk price

[proud gorge]

it's meant to kill people

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[proud gorge]

that's the point

[cobalt blade]

(and i say that after farming mirrors scarab farming this league lol)

[tranquil sedge]

like nobody gives a shit about unrewarding difficulty

1 - this is literally just adding back map effect that was taken away except you're making it come with a downside - bad take
2 - cool
3 - what do you get from that? doesn't sound like juicing
4 - cool but 4 is why 4 before 5 then, this one sounds a lot harder
5 - cool
6 - pointless

[pulsar dune]

People want to run more rewarding content by making their character stronger

[cobalt blade]

reflected mobs is juicing

[pulsar dune]

That's the core thing that's missing from the game now

[cobalt blade]

Its literally a copy of the pack see mirrored rare scarab

[split maple]

woudlnt 5 be kinda giga juicable by influenced packsize scarbies

[tranquil sedge]

ah
my bad on 3 then

[proud gorge]

reflected mods doubles the pack, corrupted mods adds a corruption modifier

[tranquil sedge]

my mistake

[proud gorge]

both are beneficial

[gritty epoch]

This man is asking for one portal maps... Sentence him to poo2 jail rn

[tranquil sedge]

^ first step is to literally just undo the nerfs though

from 3.27

nobody asked for pointless nerfs that benefit nobody at all

then they can think about adding shit on top

[pulsar dune]

3276 endgame was really good, yeah

[cobalt blade]

eeeeh

[tranquil sedge]

u mean 3.26 right?

[pulsar dune]

326, ye, mb

[cobalt blade]

ok 326 makes sense

that was fun

[split maple]

i would be fine settling on 3.25 level of juice

ngl alva and edifice staying cannot be expected

[proud gorge]

it's not one portal, it's one death, lmao. You can still carry stuff out just fine, just can't die. But yeah, I feel like a better way would be to lower the amount of allowed deaths by some scaling factor, or maybe give you a debuff if you die? I dunno, something like that.

[tranquil sedge]

that's still more than 3.27

[cobalt blade]

I think theyve said they are doing scarab rework again next league

[split maple]

a shitload more yea

[tranquil sedge]

your maps close if you die within them
that is functionally just one portal for most people

[cobalt blade]

Im hopeful theyll do some atlas passive changes too to make it more fun lmfao

[whole bluff]

Just bonk risk scarabs further and then maybe give loot back so you guys can pay more for my essences/temples/boss drops, and league doesn't just completely die so fast

[gritty epoch]

That's exactly what poo2 does

[cobalt blade]

i actually think they should add this as a juicing keystone

Maybe a back to basics added back with that downside

[proud gorge]

I was trying to think of a good downside that would really communicate the idea of "this wheel is serious business", but it could be other things yeah

[tranquil sedge]

especially if you're a headhunter or ramping build, what do you think people are teleporting out of maps 5 times to bank loot or something?

that close on death is basically 'lets take away player fun'

[cobalt blade]

Insane juicing with a hard brick downside is fun as hell

[pulsar dune]

It kinda empowers group play too much, no?

[tranquil sedge]

it does, yes

[proud gorge]

yeah, that might be an issue

[tranquil sedge]

yea only if the base level of juicing is okay

[cobalt blade]

could make it kick everyone out if someone dies

[tranquil sedge]

currently that is at a failure

[proud gorge]

trying to think of another good modifier that communicates "this is serious business" without the downside

[cobalt blade]

Which would fuck over group players looting post death

[tranquil sedge]

and also u have to ramp it up slowly you don't go zero to 100 in one node

[pulsar dune]

Groups already play like that pretty much.

[tranquil sedge]

no then u can't loot properly

[pulsar dune]

If 1 dies the other 5 also die

[split maple]

make map cursed on death

[cobalt blade]

ye but they loot a bunch normally before that happens

[tranquil sedge]

nobody would take the node then

[split maple]

but that still feels ass to me

[gritty epoch]

Also putting shit like guaranteed reflect will just force ppl into specific builds just like t17s

[cobalt blade]

well now you just dont reopen it lol

maybe 3 portals?

[tranquil sedge]

he meant reflected packs not reflect mod

[proud gorge]

yeah

[pulsar dune]

I mean, that's just what group play is these days.

[split maple]

fixes looting issue

[pulsar dune]

You need all 6 ppl to actually live the map

[tranquil sedge]

anything that reduces portals is already terrible to start with

[proud gorge]

I tried my best to make none of the mods restrict builds too much

[cobalt blade]

similar to gauntlet lowers 6p party play abuse still lets 3p do it and fine solo

[proud gorge]

but yeah the "one death" one was definitely the iffiest idea

[tranquil sedge]

yes but if one dies you can still do ur best and pick up whatever is left

[split maple]

make it a wheel with 5 small nodes that are -1 portal 10% incr explicit effect

[cobalt blade]

i mean as a choice to half i think its fine

[proud gorge]

I'm still unsure what else to put there

[cobalt blade]

^^

[tranquil sedge]

^ thats a lot better yea

no zero to 100 in one node

[cobalt blade]

also they can usually clear if its like the mana guardian that dies

[proud gorge]

that could be fun yeah

and the rest of the nodes can trail off the top, so accessing the other nodes requires you to take at least three of the -1 portal small passives

that could work well

[frigid wedge]

is ignore pdr actually helpful? isk what default mob pdr is

[proud gorge]

not overly punishing if you choose to go for only three of them

[cobalt blade]

its good for altars

since theres one that gives a bunch of armour

[proud gorge]

but a fair "entry cost" for the rest of the notables

[cobalt blade]

dunno how impactful it is for bossing though since youll usually just shred armour with high dam

[split maple]

for tree changes what i would rly like is more explicit effect again and add two wheels that deal with wildwood - not enough to get to 100% chance, but smh comparable in values to vaal side area wheels

so like being able to get to 15% wildwood spawn and some notables to scale its juicing

maybe just 10% more effect of wisps on mobs? scaling both rewards and risk part of it

[cobalt blade]

Yknow actually id like passives that let you enable the sentinel tree+full sentinels again

[cobalt blade]

Idt works too well with theee +proj wisp

cant get 10% of a proj

[frigid wedge]

i mean there's a wheel that literally gets u 100% ignore for 4 points but ppl seem to use vulnerability so i wasnt sure

[split maple]

make it 34% then 😄

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[frigid wedge]

oh vuln is inc taken

[cobalt blade]

vuln is a separate inc damage

ye

[split maple]

maybe also rework settlers nodes on tree

smh like keystone that would replace more ore deposits with craters

state of farming svalinn is ridiculus

[cobalt blade]

Those are in a good state rn imo just black knight needs extra drops

Like the bismuth nodes giving a bunch of extra loot to rares is good

[split maple]

i could live with that ig, maybe slap on it expedition uniques as commonish drops

like it feels really badly to have it drop either 200 gold or svalinn and no reward prog in between

[cobalt blade]

even runegrafts/tattoos

yea

[split maple]

tatts rly need active source that isnt just lost shipments cope

like when main upgrade path of build is 1 herald tattoo a day 😄 feels ass

[frigid wedge]

should probably pick up vuln and flesh and stone huh

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I like the wildwood but not for the juice. I just like the actual zone. If they made omens drop a lot in there and you could have it more often that would be awesome

[cobalt blade]

spend the whole 4 months ssfing all your herald tats

[frigid wedge]

esm did u see my excellent art using dominating blow

[split maple]

i get 1 a day avg from crops ships to ngakanu + vendoring crapo + ocasional bismuth ship

gonna finish before end of league at least

[split maple]

pray show

[split maple]

thats a dick isnt it

[frigid wedge]

yes

[cobalt blade]

holy

[whole bluff]

I just want wildwood as a league mechanic and not a juice mechanic tbh. Could give any existing or new reward. But yeah, I get that that's not why people ran it

[cobalt blade]

i guess not as bad if u 3:1

[opaque sphinx]

wait how do u get int and abyss socket on stormrider

[split maple]

by fracing one

[cobalt blade]

fracture abyss roll with int ess

[opaque sphinx]

oh derp

[cobalt blade]

you cant do it influenced

[opaque sphinx]

is it even worth ditching an inf mod for that

[gritty epoch]

If u have enough

[cobalt blade]

Uuuh for raw int yes

[opaque sphinx]

wait i cant i need the hunger for my bbd

hunter*

[cobalt blade]

But ye thats what bricks you lmfao

[whole bluff]

And like. I thought of them making 2 types of wildwood, but I assume many people would just think they should only have current juice-wildwood and make a new mechanic if so. Still, I'd much prefer if ritual was in wildwood or something

[cobalt blade]

either crusader for 15% int or hunter for ele dam

[opaque sphinx]

[split maple]

time to grab that double influenced mageblood

[frigid wedge]

i would like to clarify that the duration of the light visual is so short that u gotta click the screenshot before u click the skill and i genuinely had no idea it would come out like that

[opaque sphinx]

easy we just get a hunter kalandra touch

[cobalt blade]

low key considered chancing one was the only real way to fit in 4 hunter but didn't wanna click the bench 100k times

[cobalt blade]

doesnt work

[opaque sphinx]

godamnit

[cobalt blade]

people have gotten them from div cards and tested it

[opaque sphinx]

[frigid wedge]

the only way for kalandras touch mods to count as anything is if it grants a skill

inclusive to influences

[split maple]

and thats prolly a bug

[cobalt blade]

yea

[opaque sphinx]

madge

[frigid wedge]

kira what are u tryna do btw

[cobalt blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ifu7OVVxYw

[split maple]

time to go for nasty crus/hunter helmet Kira

[cobalt blade]

also important video in relation

:)

[whole bluff]

Maybe (copium) 3.28 is about going into the wildwood and saving karui people that reward you with tattoos?

[opaque sphinx]

u missed it we made that today

[frigid wedge]

im avoiding writing a 250 word essay to my dad on why i should be allowed unmonitored access to hot water

so what are u tryna make

[split maple]

oh i thought you had just hunter influ on it

[opaque sphinx]

that was old one

[split maple]

i bet belt is already 2influ too right?

[opaque sphinx]

no just hunter

[jagged raven]

guys whats the best item to buy for dust farm? just need 15mil dust to do my first 50mil shipment :)

[opaque sphinx]

but nothing to gain from changing it

[frigid wedge]

kira what are we tryna achieve

[opaque sphinx]

dunno im just lookin for upgrades

think everything left is 100d+ tho really besides belt/boots

[frigid wedge]

boots are also 100d+

[opaque sphinx]

yeah but i go by crafting price not buying price

[jagged raven]

how do u make the sockets spikey?

[split maple]

how are boots 100d+ isnt it just fracing abyssal socket and a lil bit of essence spam?

[frigid wedge]

thats still probably a lot if u want good ones

[frigid wedge]

its in ui settings

[opaque sphinx]

i cant do them anyway

need the hunter inf

[frigid wedge]

yeah make the endu charge ones

[cobalt blade]

crus hunter belt recraft chest for shaper hunter so you can get int and item rarity from shaper

[opaque sphinx]

cant even add it anywhere else on them

[cobalt blade]

surely worth the pain to craft that

[opaque sphinx]

chest is doryani sir

[jagged raven]

oh ya i think i like it round and simple

[cobalt blade]

oh i see

[split maple]

oh Kira i got upgrade for you

anoitned doryani

[cobalt blade]

also not sir lol

[opaque sphinx]

shiiii

sorry mam

[pulsar dune]

Is Annoint better than corrupted implicits

[cobalt blade]

absolute awful to make

[frigid wedge]

on a less unserious note, u could get a specific implicit on the doryanis anyway

[pulsar dune]

You also get one influence if you go for annointed doryani

[opaque sphinx]

[cobalt blade]

for an int stacker yes

[frigid wedge]

u can beast lock corrupted items

[cobalt blade]

you can get an extra like 20 int from it

[split maple]

yeah i was checking yday, there is one anointed ivory tower on trade even, while logicaly no dories

[opaque sphinx]

i need both inf on it

actually

i can just use hunter

and add crus to belt/boot

[frigid wedge]

get a 2x influence, beast lock vaal for chosen corruption, beast lock tainted mythic until doryan

[cobalt blade]

just a temple away from both smile

[frigid wedge]

[cobalt blade]

beast lock needs magic

it bricks to rare

[frigid wedge]

what

[split maple]

yeah sans is skiping anoint there

[frigid wedge]

not for anoint

[opaque sphinx]

when u brick the blight chest

[frigid wedge]

for specific corruptions

[opaque sphinx]

it goes rares

[cobalt blade]

oh for corruptions sure

[pulsar dune]

It's insanely copium to get an influenced annointed unique chest with a correct influence, however

[frigid wedge]

still not talkin about getting anointed

[opaque sphinx]

oh i see

[pulsar dune]

I wish GGG fixed blight unique drops so these crafts would be possible

[frigid wedge]

just better implicits

1 good implicit*

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/character/SansShotoTinCan watch as i kms with trauma

[split maple]

what implicit tho, max res or reduced crit? idk if others are beneficial

[pulsar dune]

52 beastlocks is still over 100d, no?

[frigid wedge]

i was memeing, but no, beast prices keep falling rn

[proud gorge]

here we go, I've done a really shitty mockup of what the "Endless Pain" wheel might look like

[frigid wedge]

afaik

[cobalt blade]

the 2 anoints id consider after a quick look around for raw int

probably better than corruption implicit if a complete pita to make

[frigid wedge]

the chance of getting a desired influence is so abysmally low

[split maple]

given that its still month and half left ... 😄 gl

[pulsar dune]

Actually, is quality better than harvest enchant here?

[proud gorge]

I like the idea of the Endless Pain "wheel" just sort of extending further and further out from the main part of the atlas tree

[frigid wedge]

what the fuck

[opaque sphinx]

yeh

[proud gorge]

though maybe that's a bit too much lmao

[opaque sphinx]

imo at least

[cobalt blade]

1/4 into a 1/3 into a 1/5 lmfao assuming you temple for double influ

into a 90% chance to delete

[opaque sphinx]

40-50 flat es > 14 int

[split maple]

make it form a middle finger on very top of the tree

#2┃general

[proud gorge]

lmao, not wrong yeah

GGG does like when wheels look like things also

[frigid wedge]

dont let alesia find out

[whole bluff]

He's not wrong

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I like that design since it's got enough small passives to hit 1 portal, but you only need to take 3 to reach the Notables

[frigid wedge]

what is it for

[proud gorge]

actually wait I think I put one too many notables in lmao

[tight plinth]

these cool hideouts, do they tediously piece out the decos 1 by 1 when making a new one(not copying from old designs) or is there like a program now?

[cobalt blade]

quite a bit worse overall

-200 flat es on the chest lmfao

[opaque sphinx]

doryani

[cobalt blade]

(for my setup probably less shit on a doryani one tho)

tho would still consider base es better

[whole bluff]

I've been considering pinging mods for a while yeah

[opaque sphinx]

yeh its actually like 70 base es

[whole bluff]

Nah, that's you

[frigid wedge]

kira u should make a second helical

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats pretty significant

[whole bluff]

Go back to the game you play

[opaque sphinx]

which is about 800

[cobalt blade]

basically the same as a cluster

[opaque sphinx]

es

[scarlet jacinth]

Ooh tourists being whacky in poe1 chat again

[frigid wedge]

uh oh not a poo2 player

[whole bluff]

He comes with poo, unexpected

[opaque sphinx]

eventually yeh but its actually rather hard to get a helical better than my 3rd ring

[cobalt blade]

it is pretty weird to spew gifs without providing anything to the conversation

[opaque sphinx]

since it NEEDS to be misted

for - light res

[split maple]

just hit mist first try again, no?

[opaque sphinx]

valid

[frigid wedge]

mist

[proud gorge]

the theoretical "Endless Pain" wheel I talked about above, to let you make your maps stupidly difficult in return for increasingly less rewards lmao. Here's the "edited" version.

1. Small passives each give 10% Explicit Effect but also -1 portal. You need to take 3 to reach the Notables.
2. Divine Punishment: All monsters in your maps are god-touched, 0.1% of monsters are upgraded to Rare. 50% More monster damage and health.
3. Endless Corruption: All monster packs are either Corrupted or Reflected. 50% More monster damage and health.
4. Ultimate Suffering: Your maps are affected by [4] random Ultimatum modifiers (affected by Explicit Modifier effect), and monster levels are increased by the same amount. 50% More monster damage and health.
5. Total Insanity: All enemies are both Sane and Insane. All enemies are Delirious. All enemies are Influenced. 100% More monster damage and health.
6. [Keystone] Unending Pain: All enemies in your map gain 2% increased attack and cast speed, 1% increased damage, and 0.1% increased item rarity, for each enemy killed in the map.

[frigid wedge]

don't miss

[split maple]

no my man you are supposed to fuck off to poo2 channel

[scarlet jacinth]

Anyone might know the odds for tainted fusings to go from 4 to 6 links.. i swear rng hates me

[split maple]

50-50 2x?

so 1 in 4 overall

[opaque sphinx]

nah

[cobalt blade]

^^

[proud gorge]

it's 50% chance for +1 link, 50% chance for -1 link

[scarlet jacinth]

I've gone thru 25..

[opaque sphinx]

its def weighted slightly in favour of -1

[split maple]

idk buy some mtx

resets your seed

[proud gorge]

maybe they adjusted the weight at some point, who knows

[scarlet jacinth]

Aah yea gotta buy a supported pack

[frigid wedge]

would u not just take the smalls and ignore all the notables

[proud gorge]

you can yeah, that's the idea, that you're only supposed to take as many passives as you want

[opaque sphinx]

true thats why my crafts keep hitting this league, splurged amd bought a support pack + the kirac pass

[pulsar dune]

It's 6 on avg, but I've burned dozens on one item this leg

[scarlet jacinth]

Finally got a fun corrupt on my body armour for ranged weapon. (+2 to duration)

[cobalt blade]

wat about it

[frigid wedge]

so did you just pull up to be an asshole or smth

is that ur choice today

[proud gorge]

the Keystone at the end is supremely difficult and also ridiculously unrewarding because the point is that you're not supposed to take it unless you really want to make your maps stupidly difficult, to test even the strongest builds

[whole bluff]

Isn't your actual problem that you want it to be, but it isn't?

[proud gorge]

but all the notables up to that are at least somewhat rewarding

[scarlet jacinth]

[frigid wedge]

oh no the poo2 player thinks he has any sort of gravity in the poe 1 channel

[proud gorge]

0.1% of monsters being converted to Rare is a big boost, for example

[opaque sphinx]

@gentle chasm mr friendo pal could give mr legendary a legendary send-off thanks love u

[frigid wedge]

its like 2 rares extra

[proud gorge]

and the last one, All monsters being Delirious and also Influenced, would presumably stack on top of actual delirium, to give you some nice extra rewards

[scarlet jacinth]

Poofed

[frigid wedge]

its 1 rare pwr 2k mobs

[dusky urchin]

3.28

[split maple]

you know mods can see deleted messages

[frigid wedge]

theres literally a log of all deleted messages

in order from most recent to oldest

[scarlet jacinth]

Huh its not the mod deleting em. Odd

[split maple]

<@&174997701513969665> this joker is getting a tad tiring

[tawdry olive]

Can confirm I bought mtx and my next map dropped 2 divs it wasn’t even 8 mod

[frigid wedge]

bc ur being an asshole and ur either tryna hide from mods or ur too much of a pussy to actually stand ur ground

[gentle chasm]

everything is logged

even stuff you delete

[proud gorge]

Originally I had it at 5%, but was convinced that that was way too much, especially given that a decently juiced map already renders up thousands and thousands of monsters

I still do think it should be significant, so maybe 1%?

[frigid wedge]

its like 2k i think

maybe but thats 4 scarab slots of rares

[dusky urchin]

Like tomorrow

[frigid wedge]

its kinda difficult to balance a flat number of extra rares

[proud gorge]

yeah

I mean, it's not really a flat number, it's a percentage of all mobs

well, all normal mobs anyways

[frigid wedge]

ye but normally its chance for packs to have a rare

or smth

[proud gorge]

but yeah, gotta pick a number that's rewarding but not too good

[cobalt blade]

5% would literally be 5 maps of rares lol

3-5

[frigid wedge]

5% is literally the same as putting adversaries in every slot

[proud gorge]

oh, here's an idea actually. What if it's "5% of monsters gain an extra Rare monster modifier"

[split maple]

what if you make one of your notables just tradition scarab WKZ

[frigid wedge]

[split maple]

i rly would play with it more if it didnt take a slot

[cobalt blade]

and your limited to 2 on that for good reason

[frigid wedge]

3 now

[cobalt blade]

yoo every map drops 5000 alts

its divinty they increased to 3

[split maple]

exactly 😄

[proud gorge]

maybe put that on the "all monsters are god-touched" notable

that would be appropriate probably

[cobalt blade]

Atleast i dont think they did adversaries and divinity

[split maple]

they duped nemeses limit

didnt change advers

[cobalt blade]

Yeah thats what i thought

[split maple]

i wish they did, i would like 2x nem 3x advers for sure more than 1x divinity

[frigid wedge]

adversaries limit is def3

[cobalt blade]

pretty damn sure its not and ill start up the game to check

[frigid wedge]

wtf

i swear ppl were running 3x adverse

u right

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[cobalt blade]

it was 2x adver 2x nemesis 1x divinity or 3x divinity 1x adver 2x nem

+some other weird combos

[split maple]

used to be 1x nem 2x adver 2x divinity when nem limit was=1

[cobalt blade]

Yee

[split maple]

that nemeses limit change is goated, it hard carries this league for me

[scarlet jacinth]

Adver was also the scarab for tainted currency farming wasn't it. Atleast commonly combined

[cobalt blade]

i liked 2x nem 2x adver 1x wisp post nem buff

[frigid wedge]

remember what they took from us

[proud gorge]

but yeah, that could be fun, by the last notable, you're looking at:

30% Explicit Effect, -3 portals
All monsters are god-touched, either corrupted or reflected, sane, insane, delirious (stacking with regular delirious), and influenced, and 5% of monsters have an extra rare modifier. Also you have some ultimatum modifiers, and monsters are 3-8 levels higher?

[split maple]

oh right WKZ add some barrel stuff

[proud gorge]

actually now that I think about it the ultimatum modifiers kind of stand out

[split maple]

everyone likes barells

[proud gorge]

since they don't affect the actual monsters

every other modifier affects the monsters directly

[umbral crag]

Whats the juicy deets i missed