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[elder marlin]

how much would this cost to craft on average?

[split maple]

shouldnt be too bad

recombi suffix, suffixlock veiled chaos prayge

just dot multis are iirc pain in the ass to alt spam, but well thats not expensive just tedious

fun stuff

buy feeders from trade and isolate by predictable recombi ig

[cobalt blade]

I think its cheaper to do fractured chaos dot essence spam cast speed for dot multi

alting chaos dot is an absolute pain

[elder marlin]

"looks fun"

[frigid wedge]

does it need to be influenced

[elder marlin]

i can slam influence last

for any influence i want

[split maple]

then you cannot do fraced

look at trade how much are feeders for chaos dot multi, its like 50-50 to isolate

[elder marlin]

dont know what bbd id use tho

[cobalt blade]

ah yeah if it needs to be influ good luck

[elder marlin]

my build can technically get 4 shaper and 3 of smt else

[cobalt blade]

not alot good for those for chaos dot

[elder marlin]

https://pobb.in/dgBu-Nnv19pL heres my current pob

[cobalt blade]

could use it for your effective shock immune with 2 crus i guess?

[elder marlin]

im shock, freeze and chill immune alr

[cobalt blade]

fair enough

dont think there isa good 2 mod then lol

[frigid wedge]

nice dps

[elder marlin]

gears pretty budget(tides)

[split maple]

redeemer's blind ig is universaly usable

[elder marlin]

except the shield

[split maple]

but it aint much

[frigid wedge]

thanks for reminding me i need to spend far too long to make a better version of my pf gear for the one i made last league so i can have it done

[cobalt blade]

do consider it competes with an es dot multi jewel

[split maple]

yeah assuming you rly want bdd

[cobalt blade]

or really any other rare jewel

[split maple]

tho why not 4x hunter there?

physele taken as chaos

[cobalt blade]

Ele taken as chaos

[elder marlin]

split personality in my tree is kinda a waste

its only there for strength

[frigid wedge]

yeah i need to go for hunter elder wand if i remake my id wand

[elder marlin]

getting hunter on shield is kinda copium

[frigid wedge]

exact same as urs but with the added pain of prefix spell chaos

[elder marlin]

flat chaos is that valueble?

[frigid wedge]

no i just hate not having 5 useable affixes

[cobalt blade]

its not you already get so much from lvl 30

[frigid wedge]

mine has 35

[cobalt blade]

even less valuable lol

[frigid wedge]

but its funny

also it would just be project items so i can say i did eventually finish the impending doom to my person preference of finished

[cobalt blade]

oh wait actually nvm you get a good bbd mod remembered that CDR is 2

lol

[frigid wedge]

with elder hunter?

cdr is shaper

[cobalt blade]

shaper

they already have tides

so they just toss shaper on the wand

[frigid wedge]

i meant mine

[cobalt blade]

or actually shield is shaper

ah idk yours

[frigid wedge]

I personally just use hunter shaper vixens

[elder marlin]

thay way i can ditch balance of terror

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats the route id go with mageblood

[elder marlin]

that sounds good

[cobalt blade]

no you run both

impending doom fucking loves CDR

[frigid wedge]

hunter shaper vixen gang

u never ditch balance of terror

NEVER

[elder marlin]

im 2% off next breakpoint

even with max roll on both balance and bbd

[frigid wedge]

the entire reason ur main curse is temp chains is for balance cdr

[cobalt blade]

^^

[elder marlin]

i mean i can switch other curse ig

[cobalt blade]

elevate your boots

[frigid wedge]

also boots can have 20 cdrr

[cobalt blade]

you only have 5% there

[elder marlin]

actually i dont have enough cast speed to use the cooldown anyway

[frigid wedge]

lmfao

get some

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[frigid wedge]

my ideal boots for my id look interesting icl

lemme go find them

[cobalt blade]

my guess would be shaper hunter tailwind cdr int then just ES pre if CI

[proud gorge]

wild

[elder marlin]

dunno how tho

[frigid wedge]

also prob need a cast speed wand base but iirc the int req is so disgustingly high that i decided to use the second tier base for imbued

[cobalt blade]

can prob get enough base crit to make tailwind work without much effort

[elder marlin]

wait how do i get wither onto this build?

wither 15 double my dmg

[frigid wedge]

withering step

[cobalt blade]

read occultist+withering step to get the initial stacks

[frigid wedge]

my setup is pf so i get on hit, but i also get some chance with glorious vanity

[proud gorge]

the market is ridiculously non-liquid

[frigid wedge]

yes

[proud gorge]

like, I expect to see some non-liquidity, but this is wild

[elder marlin]

ok hear me out, despair balance

[cobalt blade]

you lose cdr

you have to manual cast despair for wither

vixens does not work

[frigid wedge]

ur not swapping the balance

i spent 130d on my balance of terror last league

[cobalt blade]

action speed?

[frigid wedge]

ye

[cobalt blade]

nice

[frigid wedge]

double tchains

[cobalt blade]

yeye

[frigid wedge]

honestly it was super worth it

but it was also the second most valuable item on the build

after helmet, which skyrocketed literally the day after i bought my lvl 35

[proud gorge]

maybe I should just set up a bunch of buy orders to introduce liquidity to the market (and also potentially make a ton of money flipping)

[frigid wedge]

up to 150

[proud gorge]

if the price disparity is this high

[cobalt blade]

oh impending 35 is only 150d?

[elder marlin]

oh wait wtf why is the trigger rate so high

[frigid wedge]

overlaps

[elder marlin]

just add a 17% bbd

[frigid wedge]

idk rn, last league tho

[cobalt blade]

hmm 120 for the cheapest non brick

not bad

[frigid wedge]

mm

[cobalt blade]

ah

[frigid wedge]

icl i started with a 30 last time and gradually bought better ones by a level or 2

spent a while on a 32

[tight plinth]

is impending doom good still?

[cobalt blade]

ye this league its so much nicer with the doedre's lmfao

[cobalt blade]

if you get the AoE yeah

[frigid wedge]

i love that this build (eb so es doesnt count) has 3 endurance charges and 3.2k hit pool and still has 100k max hits

[frigid wedge]

idk, pf is good and i like aoe

dps wasnt the best tho

mostly bc no sting

fixed my aoe on rings

[cobalt blade]

personally dislike being limited to font of thunder on that kinda setup

doesnt feel great to have such a mid shield slot

[frigid wedge]

half the recrafts for the setup were so i could swap to dawnbreaker

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[frigid wedge]

4 hunter

is hard to fit

when half ur uniques are boss only drops

in all fareness i wasn't happy with the items i wanted to redo anyways

but dawnbreaker increases phys and all ele maxes

bc i end up over converting less into an element

so more is taken as chaos

still cant believe that this is a subject for replacement

[cobalt blade]

guessing its an incand setup?

so you dont need to fork up for the fire sublime if your going dawn

[frigid wedge]

hm?

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/character/SansShotoMoonLord

here

please ignore the overcapped lightning res

it is definitely needed

[cobalt blade]

was going off this since youd be missing 20% convert dropping font for dawn lol

[frigid wedge]

20 on watcher, 40 on timeless, 10 on bbd, 20 on dawn

[cobalt blade]

oh wait i forgot about WE's i may be stupid

[frigid wedge]

is (with perfect divine on literally all the relevant items) exactly 100

[cobalt blade]

i think you need more overcap tbh

[frigid wedge]

i need to deal w it actually

was genuinely gonna make second cogwork

[elder marlin]

how threatening is bleed?

[cobalt blade]

whats your recovery like

[elder marlin]

364 es regen, 2k es leech

5% instant leech

[cobalt blade]

youll be fine

[elder marlin]

also how do i craft this

[split maple]

recombi prefix, slam shaper prayge, if prayge didnt work prefixlock harvest reforge defence

reforge defence will need a few tries due to another defence suffix in pool

[cobalt blade]

can also loathing spam into shaper orbs

[split maple]

very common craft for last few leagues 🙂

[split maple]

i did mine that way actually, was too lazy to farm bases

[elder marlin]

i actually want only 3 mods

[cobalt blade]

ye its nice for saving time lol

[split maple]

kinda settle tho

[elder marlin]

id multi, then craft es and smt else

[split maple]

totally useless spell crit for my build but well harvest reforge hit it

[jagged raven]

what do people gamble on using the yellow lifeforce

[cobalt blade]

house of mirrors

and apothecaries

[elder marlin]

type "car" in the harvest bench

[jagged raven]

ohhh

any card have chance to be mirrors and apo card?

[cobalt blade]

no you use the double one

[jagged raven]

sry which one

[cobalt blade]

literally double or nothing quit the league or make multiple mirrors lol

search for twice

[split maple]

"Sacrifice up to half a stack of Divination Cards to receive between 0 and twice that amount of the same Card"

[jagged raven]

omg so they gamble cards to get mirror then gamble on mirrors to get 2x

damnnnnn

[cobalt blade]

you take one of these and you click it until you have 9

andt hen sell it because the cards are worth more than a mirror for 9 total since people are degenerates and its priced around gambling them

[split maple]

golem there isnt able to sustain guardian blessing degen right? https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/duarnqja-4688/속낙다했는데이제뭐함

[cobalt blade]

lol

[split maple]

i am rly bad at copying

[jagged raven]

what if i receive 0

[split maple]

looks to me like ~7sec of golem uptime

[jagged raven]

then im gg for the season xD

[cobalt blade]

yep

[cobalt blade]

i think it sustains if the minions on consecrated ground from the zealotry

otherwise it just gets resummoned by ele often enough

summon 2 or 3 they get desynced by conc ground regen effective perma uptime?

or no it only has 4 minion slots lol

[elder marlin]

wait its so easy to get this with recomb

[split maple]

yeah its one ice golem

[tranquil sedge]

not so easy
its still a 4mod recombination

[cobalt blade]

nah 3 mod shaper slam

cheaper than doing 4 mod recombs

[elder marlin]

3 mod, u lock reforge def

[tranquil sedge]

o

[cobalt blade]

then ye that after you fail till it 6 mods

sell on 6 mod go again

[split maple]

ig yeah, i just wonder how much of that is poeninja padding

[tranquil sedge]

might need a few reforges there sir

[cobalt blade]

it would be sustained on bossing

[split maple]

would rly like to fit in hatred into mine if its actually usable

[cobalt blade]

imo

sim might be a bit more pad yeah

[tranquil sedge]

2 defence suffixes - recovery 5% es on block is 800 weight, faster es recharge start is 5000 weight

so its a few reforges on average

[elder marlin]

4/29

[proud gorge]

does it count as market manipulation if I'm doing it deliberately to introduce liquidity to the market and drive up the standing buy price

[split maple]

still the best way sadge

but you have better odds of hitting than of filling

so its pretty ok

[cobalt blade]

its like a 15-20% chance

not too bad

[tranquil sedge]

what are you tryna do

[cobalt blade]

• you can just strictly hit it on the orb

[tranquil sedge]

yea still better than trying the 4 mod recomb

[cobalt blade]

ye

[elder marlin]

actually would awakener orb for crus shaper for better odds?

[tranquil sedge]

seems like the play ye

[cobalt blade]

no

woke orb will delte your recombed prefixes

[tranquil sedge]

awakening into a third specific influence mod is painful
and awakener orb rerolls items

[cobalt blade]

trying to hit those prefixes on a 2 influence shield without recombing is not fun

[split maple]

nah just get 9 double influenced bases and recombi them

[elder marlin]

lock awk?

[jagged raven]

is it 50/50 chance?

[tranquil sedge]

no.

[cobalt blade]

good luck

[tranquil sedge]

either do what u just told me first or u directly recomb to 4 mods

[split maple]

if you mean preflock woker it wont work

if you mean beastlock woker gl

[proud gorge]

add buy orders for just below the real sell price that I expect to not get filled so as to raise the "undercut" price from other people trying to put in buy orders, or failing that, actually purchase fragments for just below the standing buy price so that I can flip them, thus introducing further liquidity to the market

[elder marlin]

[tranquil sedge]

awakener orb doesn't really help you i mean

what r u even tryna do with it

the crusader es on block mod is even worse weighted at just 250

unless u need 2 different influence mods u dont need to woke orb

[cobalt blade]

i did actually profit craft for es block+reg block shields for incinerate eblade using them(last league) but its really p ainful getting all the bases

and you basically need to make like 10 shields to make it worth

compared to just making 1 shield wi th recombs

[proud gorge]

the standing buy orders at like 20c for the fragment make potential buyers assume that that's a reasonable buy order price, despite it being ridiculously low, while ignorant potential sellers might see that price and assume that's the price that they have to sell at. By adding some 55c buy orders, it drives up the perception of price for the sellers market up to the 55-60c range, which is the realistic actual sale price, thus hopefully preventing ignorant sellers from getting scammed and hopefully also increasing liquidity in the market

again, I don't expect the 55c orders to actually be fulfilled, I just expect them to make the 60c sell point seem more "reasonable"

[cobalt blade]

thats just setting a buy order and it will get filled?

its not really market manipulation

thatd be buying up all the stack and repricing it like 20c higher to forcefully increase the price

[proud gorge]

I mean, the reason why I'm able to set 55c buy orders with an assumption that they won't be fulfilled because there's barely any stock on the market, and when someone does put in a sell order for like 60c it gets bought up relatively quickly, meaning that they don't show on the market board.

[tranquil sedge]

yes it is a form of price manipulation, and yes you're only able to try it here is because of the low volume and ur ability to buy out people who list items for sale

if the economy was more active you would need hella more budget to try and manipuate to that extent

[split maple]

and yes i am telling Santa

[proud gorge]

nah I'm not actually buying out any of the standing orders

[tranquil sedge]

yea coz those are even higher right

[livid quarry]

when loot is shit ppl do unproductive things instead of farming real value

[proud gorge]

the standing orders are gradually driving up to 65 yeah

[livid quarry]

so its ggg fault

[tranquil sedge]

i mean that if anyone tries to fulfill your offer (which will show as the highest buy right now) you can buy them out and continue to keep ur 'fake' order basically

which you do need to able to do if you want your listing to stand.

[proud gorge]

yeah, since PoE doesn't let you list trades with fake money, unlike the real market lmao

[livid quarry]

its like irl

if ur job is good would u scam ppl

[tranquil sedge]

playing the market isn't doing unproductive stuff i mean its just part of the game

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the goal here isn't actually to cheat people out of money, otherwise I'd have set the buy order at, like, 30c or something, barely over the lowest standing buy order

[tranquil sedge]

the goal here isn't actually to cheat people out of money
it isn't cheating regardless of what price you set it at

you cannot cheat on faustus lol

[proud gorge]

my goal is entirely to drive up the perception of price so that potential sellers are more likely to push the price up to 65

[tranquil sedge]

yea
that is market manipulation

and its perfectly fine to do

-# in-game ofc

[scarlet jacinth]

What market are u manipulating.. keepers or pohx league?

[proud gorge]

I mean, irl it's also fine to do, that honestly wouldn't even be considered market manipulation IRL

[tight plinth]

its not

[proud gorge]

it's just that irl most markets have high enough liquidity that this degree of price disparity doesn't typically occur

[tight plinth]

youre buying with legit money for legit products

[tranquil sedge]

first line of wikipedia:

In economics and finance, market manipulation occurs when someone intentionally alters the supply or demand of a security to influence its price. This can involve spreading misleading information, executing misleading trades, or manipulating quotes and prices.[1][2][3]

you're literally trying to manipulate the price higher

i didn't say it's always illegal

but it still is manipulation

[frigid wedge]

irl realistically u cannot afford to control enough of a market enough for it to matter unless ur a giant company

[tranquil sedge]

its kinda like people who hate on merchers and flippers playing the market in-game

except those same people are don't realize those merchers and flippers are the ones providing so much liquidity in the market for both buyers and sellers of stuff

like this is just normal behaviour in a trade system like this lol, even runescape which has had this system forever has the same thing

[frigid wedge]

every game with an interactive market has ppl doing this

[tranquil sedge]

yep

my friends tried to teach me flipping in runescape
i learned it then decided it was too boring for me and im not enough of a risk-taker to do bigger flips/merches so i always preferred grinding stuff instead

that behaviour has followed through into poe for me 😄

[proud gorge]

the irl equivalent would be if there were some rare fruit import, and all the companies with standing bids on the fruit were trying to buy at $20 a kg, but you knew that the market price for the fruit was $60 a kilo, so you put out a standing buy order for $55 a kilo in an attempt to make the sellers realize that they can sell for higher than $20 a kilo

[tranquil sedge]

but you knew that the market price for the fruit was $60 a kilo
the market price is whatever the market is willing to pay for it

[whole bluff]

I gave up on messing with essences. Now I just put good-for-me ratios of tons of blue juice, and good-for-me ratios of deafening scorn and deafening spite, and transform all essence to that. And run some originator maps with an atlas for gold when I need gold

[tranquil sedge]

just coz u want it to be 60 doesn't make it 60

u can try to make it 60 if ur big enough to push people around

[proud gorge]

I mean that is the market price, I've been selling the fragments, and that's the price they go for

[frigid wedge]

the ppl that complain about those who market manip/flip are the ppl who get bored after 2 seconds of looking at a trade menu

[cobalt blade]

you have to buy out or in some way bribe those ppl for it IRL

[grand palm]

Hey guys would love if someone could awnser this!

so i mostly play Poe2 but i saw the cool armor that makes you float from the season pass in Poe1
How long does it take to go from a league starter and get the full armor? is it viable to do as a newbie to the first game farily fast??

[tranquil sedge]

the people who complain about it are the people too stubborn to understand those players are essential to a highly liquid economy

they're not worth the effort to explain to why they're wrong

[cobalt blade]

if you follow a build guide you can probably do it within a week or so ?

[silent leaf]

probably a week

[proud gorge]

and I dunno if I'd call it "big enough" lmao, I've got like 200c floating in the market

[cobalt blade]

its just the atlas completion for that right

[frigid wedge]

about as long as doing poe 2 campaign 1.5x to get to maps and finish vault pass

[proud gorge]

that's not a whole lot

[silent leaf]

1-2 weeks give or take

if you are using a good guide

[frigid wedge]

depends on playtime

[grand palm]

someone know a good guide to use? 😄

[cobalt blade]

yeah i wouldnt even call that manipulation its just basically just haggling for a cheaper cost

[grand palm]

anything fast and easy

[silent leaf]

!guide

[cobalt blade]

but automated on faustus since people like being lazy sell for cheaper

lol

[tranquil sedge]

manipulation is not necessarily a negative word lol

[silent leaf]

https://youtu.be/I5BSwTlkmx8

[tranquil sedge]

it literally is just what he's doing

[silent leaf]

prob this

!guides

[cobalt blade]

yep i know i flip in 1

[tranquil sedge]

he's not haggling, that requires two parties

[covert swan]

A short list of places to find builds for new players:

Maxroll.GG's leaguestarter buildguide section has high quality build guides

If you are more into video guides, a playlist by the youtuber Zizaran, he also has a bunch of other video guides for new players.

A collection of minion build guides created/ curated by GhazzyTV

You can also always find popular builds on the Builds section of Poe.ninja, but those aren't really guides, just snapshots of live player builds without any explanation for what makes them good or not good.

[proud gorge]

what do you actually need to do to complete the season pass

[cobalt blade]

full atlas completion

basically trivial

[grand palm]

How long will the season pass stay?

[silent leaf]

2 months

[cobalt blade]

in this case faustus is the middle man between your haggled price from you requesting other person listing

[proud gorge]

oh, I thought Kirac's Vault Pass had been replaced with a bunch of mystery boxes

[grand palm]

from now?

[silent leaf]

yep

[cobalt blade]

idk its not like their buying 100 fragments relist each for 5c extra lol

[proud gorge]

probably around 1.75 to 2 months yeah

maybe 2.5

[cobalt blade]

closer to 1.5

[proud gorge]

eh, I doubt it's ending at the end of February

[tranquil sedge]

still not haggling
nobody is making counter-offers

[cobalt blade]

4 month leagues league was rleeased in october 31st

[cobalt blade]

i mean people listing for 56c per

quick sales but not instant

[tranquil sedge]

that is not a counteroffer

that is undercutting

haggling requires u to ask for A then get offered B and then u hash it out until ur both at an agreement

[proud gorge]

yeah, the dance of setting a price high and then gradually lowering it until it sells vaguely resembles haggling, to a degree, but in reality you're just sussing out the market equilibrium point

and that's a way better way of doing it than setting it low then raising it

[frigid wedge]

icl if consider flipping if I had any idea how to find margins

[tranquil sedge]

faustus directly tells you the margins i mean

[frigid wedge]

beneficial margins*

[cobalt blade]

you put the chaos orbs then whatever you wanna flip press alt read it ctrl click to swap and read that you have the margins

[tranquil sedge]

not sure wym

[proud gorge]

in OSRS there's a plugin that automatically looks for beneficial margins by tracking the disparity between sale and buy price for every good, and then gives you an ordered list of the largest standing disparities

[tranquil sedge]

yea they've got some wild stuff for market players 😄

plugins, whole ass websites, merch and pump-n-dump clans, its fun to watch

[cobalt blade]

pump n dump clans is wild lmfao

[frigid wedge]

idk how i find a profit margin with things

[proud gorge]

point being we don't really have anything like that for PoE, but to be fair it'd be a bit harder to make work because the currency exchange lets you exchange any currency for any other currency, though in practice obviously Chaos and Div prices are the standard ones to look for

[cobalt blade]

so lets take something like fracture orbs idk what their worth currently but say its 4.5d per orb if you buy in bulk - you can buy a bunch and list for 5 per and people buying single orbs will just pay that 5 per

it takes a while to sell but that is a profitable flip

[livid quarry]

u guys missing out an important part

[frigid wedge]

so i just increase the severity of values directionally

[livid quarry]

and that is how much chaos or div per gold

[frigid wedge]

on items where the prices are close

[cobalt blade]

i personally dont care about that since it takes fuck all time to farm millions

[cobalt blade]

basically yes

[tranquil sedge]

using her same example

instant buy one frac orb say its 5d
instant sell one frac orb say its 4.5d

u know the range is 0.5d, now u post a buy offer for just above 4.5d and you post sell offers for just less than 5d

that would be a simple flip

except unlike in games like osrs, you can just directly read all the best listed offers on faustus directly

[cobalt blade]

her* but ye

[proud gorge]

here's a disparity, for example. Golden oils have standing buys for 38c, sells for 53c, so that's a 15c disparity. Not a huge disparity, but one that you could technically make flip money on

[tranquil sedge]

^ ur making money through the impatience of others

[cobalt blade]

also as a secondary thing to this

check the price of 5:1ing silvers or otherwise up

or 3:1ing w/e

[proud gorge]

the main factor determining if you can actually make money on a disparity is sale volume, though. Like, some trade with like zero volume isn't going to make you money no matter how large the disparity

Gold oils do have pretty decent daily volume though

since they're used for blighted map farming

[tranquil sedge]

yea ur game knowledge really does help out

[cobalt blade]

fracture orbs scarabs awakener orbs conflicts certain oils and tattoos are usually good ones

[tranquil sedge]

maven chisels are fun too

[proud gorge]

aw no, it happened

at least the guy made 55c per instead of 20c per

[scarlet jacinth]

55c per? What league is this?

[frigid wedge]

but doesnt it always go for the most favourable offer for the purchaser on insta sell and buy: highest sell value lowest buy value

[cobalt blade]

yes but if you wanna buy 1 of something it has to use a whole number

[tranquil sedge]

it does as best it can
thats why revealing all the standing offers to players makes flipping a little harder

[proud gorge]

Keepers league

[tranquil sedge]

and also because of the ratios/whole numbers ^ there's ways to make money that aren't so apparent

[cobalt blade]

so if they dont wanna buy 2 fracture orbs for 9d theyll pay 5 per or you can just skim chaos by buying the 5-10c cheaper listed scarabs tattoos etc

[tranquil sedge]

^

[frigid wedge]

so it just takes advantage of the decimal values of items

[cobalt blade]

pretty much

[tranquil sedge]

taking advantage of that is one way to make money

[cobalt blade]

if you wanna have fun with flipping id look into non faustus flipping lol

[scarlet jacinth]

Speaking of market manipulation, seems my crazy act of putting defiance for 60div (pohx league) actually sold.. funny

[tranquil sedge]

u could just do the oil thing wkz showed u earlier and ur straight up just relying on your patience + other ppl impatience on the natural margin of 15c or whatevr to make money there

[cobalt blade]

Many live searches for random timeless jewels to flip

[tranquil sedge]

that has nothing to do with decimals

[proud gorge]

the market is healing

[cobalt blade]

or other nonsense

[proud gorge]

anyways, I'd better go farm some more Elders

[tranquil sedge]

how well flipping works also depends a little on how the trade systems are implemented

in runescape for example both economical (best value for money) trades AND oldest-listing-first are both prioritized, plus you cannot see other people's standing offers

so its more of a flippers dream there

here you can see all the offers, idk whther time of listing matters at all tho

[proud gorge]

add some more liquidity to the market

[cobalt blade]

Yeah decimal ones are just the most guaranteed profit

[tranquil sedge]

yea they're fun lol

[cobalt blade]

Its fun to do the other stuff if you wanna be more active at Faustus though

[tranquil sedge]

oh yea don't forget the third kind of flipping

chaos to div conversions

[cobalt blade]

instead of flip and leave for 5 hours

[tranquil sedge]

you buy with chaos sell with div

[frigid wedge]

right ok.

[tranquil sedge]

or vice versa

[cobalt blade]

yeeeah thats a good one

[tranquil sedge]

you spend gold to make money

[whole bluff]

Almost. If there's an offer with like a huge prime vs another huge prime, like say 47:113 for veiled orb to mirror, if someone doesn't buy enough to make a better deal with you than simply 48:112 (3×16:7×16), then they will buy from whoever was first

Afaik

[tranquil sedge]

in phrecia i also i spent a fuckton of gold buying stacked decks on faustus and selling to tft buyers

trying to convert gold to divs basically

[proud gorge]

yeah, adding market liquidity is honestly probably the best way to make money from gold, even moreso that Kingsmarch, it's just a lot more active (and requires some knowledge and/or skill)

[frigid wedge]

i just have like 7m gold sat around rn

[proud gorge]

and it's also a lot harder to do in mass volume

[cobalt blade]

low key don't understand why people buy them from tft over running like 2 blight maps for gold

[proud gorge]

in a way that spends millions of gold yeah

[tranquil sedge]

well it was a lot more popular before faustus

yea ur right about rota but idk

[cobalt blade]

before faustus yeah ofc

[tranquil sedge]

it still sells there /shrug

[cobalt blade]

but flipping faustus to tft just feels so wrong

[proud gorge]

it disadvantages the TFT players, making them pay a premium, so I'm all for it

[tranquil sedge]

i can't find the channel now

[cobalt blade]

lol

[tranquil sedge]

maybe they post it somewhere else now

[cobalt blade]

Prob currency wtt looking at the channels

[tranquil sedge]

they don't buy it at faustus prices btw

if you can sell say 150 decks to a div on faustus

the wtb posts on tft maybe will be 140 or whatever

the other way around is the same too, all the wts posts there might be a bit higher than the insta buy price on faustus

its like flipping with one extra step in the process, going outside of faustus

mostly really just the friction of gold costs that even lets that exist i think

[cobalt blade]

i just dont understand the friction being that bad for things like decks

its not even that much gold to buy like 10k and buying more than that solo is crazy

[split maple]

how much even is gold cost per deck

[tranquil sedge]

how much gold is it to buy a stacked deck?

[grizzled lily]

75g

[split maple]

since qol changes it shouldnt be all that tedious

[grizzled lily]

or idk

[tranquil sedge]

how much are you making per gold
and how much do rotas cost?

they're probably factoring in all that i can only assume

[split maple]

so 750k gold for 10k? thats like 2-3 blight maps lol

[cobalt blade]

yep

[proud gorge]

I mean, that's the premium yeah, they're paying extra thus making you money. In practice, though, I doubt it's the gold cost friction, I think TFT players just like having things handed to them in enormous quantities

[tranquil sedge]

but yea it just seems way easier to run ur own maps or buy gold and flip on faustus itself

[cobalt blade]

Tho idk if 75g is right i thought it was like 50

[split maple]

i mean if you buying 10k decks does that fit into single inventory?

[whole bluff]

What's the blight strat?

[tranquil sedge]

wat

you just accept an inventory at a time

[cobalt blade]

Then you have to factor in the time to write in tft invite to trade and do 5 inventories of trades

[split maple]

yeah but thats friction 😄

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

yea no faustus definitely made things a hella lot easier for a lotta people

[elder marlin]

i have +120% effect, why do i only get 12 supp from this?

[tranquil sedge]

probably one of the greatest fucking things ever added to poe

[cobalt blade]

its just faster to run a map buy from faustus lol

[split maple]

invigo, blightreach, bloodline, risk, lineage nets me 250-600k gold per map, t16.5 dunes rolled for scarbs + corrupted into 30% qual. replace lineage with blooming for more

[cobalt blade]

Are you suppress overcapped

[whole bluff]

Sounds like my build would bite the dust

But I can aspire to it

[tranquil sedge]

like faustus is a nice guy that lets u do 1 chaos trades

imagine tryna do a 1c trade pre-faustus

[proud gorge]

I've done plenty yeah

[split maple]

ngl i am carried by hh there

[whole bluff]

Ah, hmm

[proud gorge]

though it was mostly, like, 1c trades for levelling uniques

[split maple]

so the most annoying part is dodgin 30 volatiles at 3fps

[elder marlin]

no

[split maple]

since you cannot get decent scarb quant on t16.5 without volatiles almost

[whole bluff]

I got magnate cuz reasons 🥹

[cobalt blade]

example since pob does not consider suppress overcap from turning on the flask in that stat

[whole bluff]

Can't cap my res without balbala bismuth flask

[cobalt blade]

i mean with the flask active are you going 10 overcap

[elder marlin]

ok i found it, lucky supp

[cobalt blade]

oh thatd do it lmfao

[split maple]

same

[cobalt blade]

i dont like how pob handles lucky

[whole bluff]

Damn

I need to find a good ignite thingy

That's not EE cuz I'm still making celebration plans for the day they delete it

[cobalt blade]

imagine not just tanking 30 smh my head

[hard cliff]

big brain move

[cobalt blade]

eblade ignite gogogo

[split maple]

i claim wands are supposed to be squishy in my defence

[cobalt blade]

lolfair

[whole bluff]

Man, I've done 2 floors out of 7, and it's 1.2km of piping

[hard cliff]

this is a real thing BTW

[whole bluff]

I'm supposed to QTO by Friday

[frigid wedge]

you can, u just need the chill shock ignite on hit mod instead

[frigid wedge]

insert eviscerate meme here

[hard cliff]

be safe

[whole bluff]

Sanity is just a word, exile.

[cobalt blade]

It do be why I suggested it lol

[cobalt blade]

horror skill

[grizzled lily]

its good

if u like cbt

[frigid wedge]

retal isnt that bad depending

i should play divine retribution icl

[grizzled lily]

needing tobe hit to deal dmg is so bad sometimes

[cobalt blade]

^

fuck that playstyle

[frigid wedge]

so get vengeful cry

[grizzled lily]

cws better

[frigid wedge]

and refresh other retal cd

[grizzled lily]

than retaliation bs

[cobalt blade]

then your running a bunch of shitter uniques to enable a vengeful cry loop

[frigid wedge]

ur running fr and vengeful cry

thats it

regardless retal isn't the worst for most bosses

[cobalt blade]

but then your pressing a cry and fr to be able to press your main skill

[frigid wedge]

some just have poor mechanics

[cobalt blade]

which is just awful

would personally only use vengeful with like an eternal apple loop or something

[frigid wedge]

all im sayin is moorhuhn 1 tapped uexarch with retribution

and it looks fun

[split maple]

not just weapon swap bell this leg?

idk whats jankier tbh

[cobalt blade]

woespike is less jank

[frigid wedge]

woespike cant map

[cobalt blade]

1 big hit weapon spike cyclone

[frigid wedge]

please consider

woespike retal

[cobalt blade]

you just have a ring swap to deal giga damage for bosses

its not like you need to change everything on your build to make it work

[frigid wedge]

woespike retaliate build

[cobalt blade]

I think its technically the second best damage setup and best reasonable damage setup

best unreasonable one being earthquake of amp make it take 2 minutes to go off lol

[grizzled lily]

eviscerate caps at dot cap no

[frigid wedge]

easily

crushing fist with a massive impale however

[whole bluff]

Dot cap is still in a way higher vs ubers or monsters with mitigation or endurance

[cobalt blade]

woespike is hit for impale

but yeah evis caps at dot cap though its a pain to reach for ubers

So its not reallllly a thing

[grizzled lily]

i still dk whats impale

is it extra dmg or isnit like a

bleed

i know the sound of it

but idk whats it doing truly

[cobalt blade]

reflected phys damage based on the damage of the first hit thats consumed when you hit again

[proud gorge]

man, as with every time I do the Shaper guardian maps, I find it hilarious that for three of the Guardians, Shaper is like "This guardian had a personality defect, so now I've put them in an ironic cage of their own flaws."

And then with Minotaur he's just like "This guy was a piece of shit, so I'm just torturing him infinitely"

[cobalt blade]

tldr is its just more damage for phys hit builds though

[grizzled lily]

yes

vlad the impaler duuuh

[tranquil sedge]

damage reduction content (that includes ubers but also things like toughness and deli modifiers on mobs) will increase requirement to hit dot cap

if ur farming that kinda stuff you probably can go up to multiple times normal pinnacle dotcap and still see benefits

[split maple]

blight bosses can hit like 99% dr before deli

[tranquil sedge]

l0l

[split maple]

if you juicing them with titanic of legends due to buff they almost sure get soul eater

[cobalt blade]

Its fucking impossible to hit blight dot cap lmfao

[split maple]

• invigo toughness

[cobalt blade]

and in general dot sucks in giga blight

[proud gorge]

Phoenix refused redemption, so now he's surrounded by new life while being denied his own.
Hydra had many faces, so now he's trapped in reflections, unable to find his own.
Chimera acted like a beast, so now he's trapped as one.
Minotaur was heartless, so now he's in infinite pain and eternal torture I guess.

he really hated Minotaur

[tranquil sedge]

i like that most of us ignore the lore in this game haha screen go explode but its still there under the surface for anyone paying attention

and the voice acting is top notch

[grizzled lily]

esp trying to block a hit with eviscerate vs those blight bosses

[split maple]

we were doing some math on that early in league since splaff was complaining he feels 0dps on 3bil dmg output in blight

[grizzled lily]

ur gonna get ur shi slapped

[split maple]

since if mob gets regen mod you wont kill it at these numbers until soul eater falls off

[cobalt blade]

completely useless correction here but hydras a girl in lore lol

[scarlet jacinth]

The only lore that matters "its branching exile"

[cobalt blade]

lol good luck

[tawdry olive]

Not me my first full 10 act run was 100 hours

[tranquil sedge]

where there's a golden key

there must be a golden door

[cobalt blade]

EXILE DO SOMETHING

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

to each their own fun 😄

[scarlet jacinth]

"Pump destroyed" shouldn't of put the cannot reduce action speed on your map

[cobalt blade]

eh just gear to the point that does nothing

risk blight my beloved

such fun random bull shit

[scarlet jacinth]

Am a poison build i need my ramp..

[cobalt blade]

o7

[proud gorge]

welp, my deliberately weak "flip" worked out, those 55c fragments sold for 63c, making me 8c a fragment lmao

[frigid wedge]

me when my pump gets destroyed by the infection

[frigid wedge]

what r u playing

[scarlet jacinth]

Poison animate weapon ranged

[cobalt blade]

i love AW but that is a build choice of all time for blight

pain in the ass to keep those summoned with the frames

[tawdry olive]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-gif-12654501364171447161

A new flipper is born

[scarlet jacinth]

After selling a heavily overpriced defiance, i got all the items i really needed / would go up in price

[frigid wedge]

wtf

i still haven't gone back to pohx event

i should finish the acts at least

[tight plinth]

your name reminded me of bama

why they have to do bama like that 😭

[scarlet jacinth]

I only have crafing items left, i got all the other uniques outside of svallin. (Cheers for rf players paying 60div for defiance)

[frigid wedge]

lmao

i just havent bothered to play it

i should probably go for it and try impale with minion clusters

instead of dealing with gc

[scarlet jacinth]

Chat was fun "Who defuq put defiance on 60div" 5min later, sold.

[frigid wedge]

what no stock does to a mf

[scarlet jacinth]

First on the market. Too expensive nah " i am the market"

[split maple]

How rare is reserv efficiency synth on shields?

Like charge level of cope or Sane?

[frigid wedge]

not as bad as charges

iirc

[cobalt blade]

not too rare

[split maple]

hmm ty

[frigid wedge]

esm dont do it

bad

[split maple]

i am starting to rly consider that hatred+zeal setup on heralder

[frigid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-spray-begone-goaway-gif-13162288

[scarlet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/yakutenok-gif-8647082114664595427

[cobalt blade]

Id think its ssfable if your willing to farm beasts/harvest for like a month with a bit of luck

not worth ssfing mind you but doable

[split maple]

i got a stashtab of vultures rn, i may just throw them and if it hits it hits

[brazen vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293886682491518976/1420667833477632020/image0.gif

[brazen vector]

What about the yellow beasts

[frigid wedge]

me when vulture

[brazen vector]

Me when anime girl Monday on the poe discord

[split maple]

enough of them i have to delete them every few maps

[hoary scarab]

[scarlet jacinth]

Me wanting to 6link on pohx league with morrigan at 6div and like 200 fusings on the market

[frigid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-yeah-happy-dance-gif-18266119187889292563

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/honey-pie-gif-10147639064198113678

[cobalt blade]

its just 1 fuse away

[brazen vector]

Do it!

[frigid wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-dance-gif-13942174665313107907

[scarlet jacinth]

I totally didn't buy the morrigam...

[frigid wedge]

good boy, accept the market ratio

[split maple]

need to ask treetree for overqual titanium first

[frigid wedge]

30 or bust

[split maple]

its kinda rly doable if you settle on like 28+%

like a day of tree farm

[cobalt blade]

pain in the ass to do the prefixes on the 28 qual thougg

not really recomb riskable even triple split

[proud gorge]

I got lucky with my 6-link this league

took me like 300 fusings

[brazen vector]

Do you have imprints too?

Can go for triple implicit for the lulz

[split maple]

no :/ needed 60 maps for frogies just to make my boots

rng messin me up with einhar

[frigid wedge]

he has the imprint of the massive balls it takes to roll synths on ssf

[cobalt blade]

quad implicit cant forget the gilded :3

[brazen vector]

Exactly

[cobalt blade]

setup for that ssf lock corrupt

[split maple]

here i am thinking about a humble 28% 2-synth that may or may not hit no biggie idk what yall up to

[cobalt blade]

ssf the 30 qual 5% int flat es reservation titanium

surely doable

[frigid wedge]

power charge int reservation

[split maple]

i am mostly speaking out of desperation there, like i rly dont like scaling story of that herald build

[cobalt blade]

truue

[split maple]

ooh grab tattoos, grab voices and slap on a few more herald clusters tada

idk it irks me

[cobalt blade]

average stacker build

kinda hard to pass up getting as much of your best stat as possible

[frigid wedge]

i think esm enjoyed herald stack pb

[ebon tendon]

does anybody have a picture of/or knows what i should be looking for if im looking for the coastal hideout

[frigid wedge]

its in act 6 isnt it

before brine king

[ebon tendon]

well wiki says its in atoll map but maybe..?

[scarlet jacinth]

Thats okay, I'll make it back.. essence market is almost non existent

[cobalt blade]

coastal is atoll yea

itll show like a blueish symbol in the map when you run past it

ill see if i cn go find it

[ebon tendon]

okak

i was really just wondering about a specific spawning point so im not full clearing every map lol

[cobalt blade]

you just run aroudn the map looking for that

enter it clear it you get hideout

[brazen vector]

I got mine ages ago in the unique atoll map

[frigid wedge]

man rlly just accepted the good boy

[scarlet jacinth]

I.. have no response to this.

[brazen vector]

Thats fine

[scarlet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/wiwiwi-cat-gif-7135733714876418625

[brazen vector]

Us 💗

[frigid wedge]

wiwiwi

[scarlet jacinth]

I do not know what it means..

[frigid wedge]

what what means

[grizzled lily]

yea

[scarlet jacinth]

This

[frigid wedge]

its the sound that some kittens make

[grizzled lily]

radioactive cats

cats meow

theyre not french

[frigid wedge]

i cba to find a normal video

[scarlet jacinth]

All i know is the neighbours cat. Fucker keeps breaking into my house..

[grizzled lily]

pump shotgun it

[cobalt blade]

https://youtu.be/mu8MdQgqtzQ the strongest of cats

[brazen vector]

Yay animal cruelty

[scarlet jacinth]

No! Whats wrong with you

[frigid wedge]

pump water for it

the only cat pumping allowed

[scarlet jacinth]

I've given up, too many break ins, it now has a bed/water.

[grizzled lily]

all i hear is burglarly

[cobalt blade]

cat can do a little stealing

or alot of stealing forfeit everything to cats

[grizzled lily]

maybe but its game over if cat touched THE 5

[frigid wedge]

all i hear is new fren

[scarlet jacinth]

The cat merely comes to enjoy the heated bed that is my lil server rack

[frigid wedge]

my cat used to go over the roof and steal entire bags of ground beef from the butcher

like a full slab

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/tayomaki-sakigifs-cat-meme-stan-twitter-gif-22912041

[scarlet jacinth]

Funny

I do love the conversation with the neighbours "haven't seen our cat in a while, did he break in again" "yep been here all week"

[frigid wedge]

lmao

they obv dont turn on the heating

[scarlet jacinth]

Neither do i, but server rack is warm enough. Fans are on the side so i plopped a lil bed atop it.

[tight plinth]

all week? did you feed it?

[scarlet jacinth]

Yea, neighbours gave me some food incase its here too much

[spice pecan]

i am become deth

[scarlet jacinth]

Corrupt it

[spice pecan]

no vaals

[scarlet jacinth]

Damn, hows essence farming in pohx atm?

[spice pecan]

insta stunned + frozen

[scarlet jacinth]

You or the essence?

[spice pecan]

idk, i'm cleaning up the remaining yellow maps

[scarlet jacinth]

Ah so not doing it for profit?

[spice pecan]

a bit yeah

i need frenzy ralakesh to go super saiyan

[frigid wedge]

is that it

[scarlet jacinth]

I've yet to check essence prices. They any good or?

[frigid wedge]

i should finish levelling

but like

slow

[spice pecan]

yes

[frigid wedge]

;-;

ur playing bleed bow how have u got no pdr

[spice pecan]

bow_build_catLMAO_no_bla_NO_GLORP dot xdd

I'm using the graft for heart of flame over steelskin

and i also didn't check endu charges since i have to ramp them

[frigid wedge]

man i gotta figure out how to tank 100k phys dmg per second

for this build

wtf

i dont wanna go es

[spice pecan]

ok we killed the dude

[frigid wedge]

?

im having motivation issues to play my build in pohx

[cobalt blade]

believe in shadeforms non permanent uptime

[frigid wedge]

partly bc 70 trauma sounds completely unmanageable

on 10 aps

or whatever i can get it to

on a sidenote wtf do ppl be doing to finish atlas so fast and still progress their build

[crisp obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMv0lO5KVW4 hi guys is this a viable build?? looks fun!

[cobalt blade]

bruteforce to high lvl bases to sell

[frigid wedge]

yep

[cobalt blade]

Legit a good way to make currency in that early rush from crafters

[frigid wedge]

without getting in day 1

it takes me like 3 evenings to finish acts

sometimes a fourth to tidy shit up

somehow

[scarlet jacinth]

Average 1 week act run

[frigid wedge]

i cannot take pta to play poe like half of u can

i still have to live

[split maple]

i just respeced to it yesterday evening so didnt play it much yet, but i am kinda happy with the build so far, just a few kinks to fix and i rly dunno how to scale it further except just wait for ships to bring tats you were right bout sanctum tho, felt like melee

[normal hedge]

stop living

[frigid wedge]

sorry thats on me, how would you suggest i pass away

[normal hedge]

snu snu

[proud gorge]

I am extremely scared to open this again lmao. This is tucked into a corner, with like six strongboxes, three of which are "revive monsters", and one of which was already opened three times.

[scarlet jacinth]

You'll be fine

[proud gorge]

there's probably like 400 monsters "nearby"

[frigid wedge]

there any way that doesnt involve a. sex and b. the brutal shattering of my pelvis

[hard cliff]

cpu gonna be fighting the real battle

[proud gorge]

also I accidentally ran this map with 97% less Recovery Rate of Life and Energy Shield

not realizing that that also affects energy shield recharge

[cobalt blade]

do you really need your pelvis after passing though

[frigid wedge]

u got 3% u can do it

[frigid wedge]

rather not die in agony due to it shattering

[cobalt blade]

skill issue or smth

[proud gorge]

alright I did it yeah. Honestly I could survive most of the mobs, there's just one rare in there with "cannot recover life/energy shield above half"

that I need to die immediately

they didn't even drop anything smh

[scarlet jacinth]

That one rare with adaptive res, soul eater, enrage and revive.

[frigid wedge]

i have a larger problem with point a. if im honest anyway

[proud gorge]

man, this wasn't a great first try at the Containment strat

I realize that not every Containment is going to profit

[cobalt blade]

understandable

[frigid wedge]

yay

[tranquil sedge]

wat build relies on recharge instead of regen or leech/on-hit 😮

[frigid wedge]

smth smth spellbreaker

[cobalt blade]

wicked ward

[split maple]

Variance of that strat feels ass even with sane economy

[scarlet jacinth]

You should profit atleast a but if you can do 5.

[split maple]

Like too much gamba potential for scarb not to be overpriced on avg

[frigid wedge]

or anything that stacks life/uses ivory tower

[proud gorge]

I mean, I figured it would affect Regen, but I figured I could just use recharge to muscle through, like I do with "no regen" maps

[tranquil sedge]

Energy Shield Recharge is not interrupted by Damage if Recharge began Recently
40% less Energy Shield Recharge Rate
hmm i see

[tranquil sedge]

ah okay

if u can get instant leech or on-hit it'll bypass that mod btw

[frigid wedge]

i just bypass it with life and es on kill

[proud gorge]

yeah, I survived off my ES-on-hit Watcher's Eye and my ES-on-block shield

[frigid wedge]

which was completely unrealistic until i fixed body armour issue

[proud gorge]

I mean, the strat mostly outputs raw currency and scarabs, and if anything the Containment scarab is pretty cheap right now

1 div instead of the previous 1.4 div

[frigid wedge]

its cheap bc everyone running scarab strats

[proud gorge]

but yeah, it does depend on getting some good drops

[split maple]

how much are valdo boxes rn?

[frigid wedge]

if i had to guess 0.9

to 0.7

[split maple]

huh nice ratio to containtment then

yeah scratch that at these prices it should be pretty consistently non-negative div/map

[fickle glen]

Did the devs purposely make explosive arrows able to pierce when given the stats?

[tranquil sedge]

i don't think it has in-built pierce?

but if you give it ability to pierce, yes, they will

and:

Projectile Mechanics: Arrows cannot stick in enemies if they continue due to Split, Pierce, Fork, Chain, or Return.

[fickle glen]

Yeah that’s why I say when it’s given

[tranquil sedge]

yes ur free to make them do any of the above if you wanna

[fickle glen]

It becomes really useless when you give it pierce

[tranquil sedge]

(tho you wouldn't want to)

yh
so don't 😛

[fickle glen]

And I can’t combine it with arrows that needs piercing

[tranquil sedge]

?

[fickle glen]

Through mana forge

[tranquil sedge]

what do you mean

wat build is this

[cobalt blade]

you can link pierce support to those mana forged arrow triggers

just dont get generic pierce

[fickle glen]

Generic is so much better tho

[normal hedge]

what would you even want in mfa setup in a ignite build

[tranquil sedge]

if it literally bricks your build then maybe its not?

[normal hedge]

Other than Frenzy

[frigid wedge]

its a projectile

[cobalt blade]

yeh but your just accepting that yo ucant have it by running EA lol

[tranquil sedge]

and what are you putting on mfa that it matters ^ ?

like, i asked, wat build is this

wat are you running?

[fickle glen]

Elemental hit of the spectrum

[normal hedge]

Why

[frigid wedge]

ppl look for pierce for ice shot, another skill which primarily gets dps from an explode of sorts

[fickle glen]

Shock

[normal hedge]

It gonna have 10k dps

[cobalt blade]

just use like skitterbots

for shock

+tht ele hit wont have good shock anyway without proper scaling

[proud gorge]

hmm, honestly after liquidating some currency, it wasn't as bad as I thought. In terms of just raw easily liquidatable currency (Exalts, cards that output Div, etc) I got 84c back, out of my ~168c entry cost. Still not great, but I also just didn't get any good drops that time

[fickle glen]

Not enough mana reserve between haste and herald of agony

[cobalt blade]

wth are you playing

[frigid wedge]

rilay u ignored my follow up question

[tranquil sedge]

how much shock effect you apply depends on ailment threshold and how hard you hit
if you don't hit hard enough your shock will not be very useful

[proud gorge]

I'll try another Containment map

[fickle glen]

Rapid fire explosive arrows build

Super high speed

[frigid wedge]

so why hoag

[cobalt blade]

if your playing poison (assuming from the herald of agony) then shock is pretty worthless

[frigid wedge]

and why explosive arrow

[cobalt blade]

since its additive with wither

[fickle glen]

It’s fun xD

[frigid wedge]

if u wanted it to seem explosive and actually go fast u would use ice shot

it functions similarly without stick mechanics or delayed aoe

[fickle glen]

I’ll look at it but right now I am in love with explosive arrows

Nothing to do with being Arabic I promise

[frigid wedge]

man no one was making that assumption

[normal hedge]

Sorry, I was cleaning my cats nuclear power plant

[frigid wedge]

wiwiwi?

[normal hedge]

Wiwiwi

[fickle glen]

Sorry dark humour

[frigid wedge]

yayyy

[tranquil sedge]

anyway ur original question was pierce
the answer is obviously dont get pierce if u want ur arrows to actually explode meaningfully

[frigid wedge]

explosive arrow works but for ur specific build ur making some poor choices

[tranquil sedge]

and consider actually figuring out wat damage type ur doing

and running proper auras to support it

[normal hedge]

Yes sorry for making you uncomfortable, now you can pass away playing poe2

[fickle glen]

I am not sure but I think explosive arrows scale off of base damage

[tranquil sedge]

you should read your skill gem properly

[fickle glen]

Fire is just added to it

[tranquil sedge]

yea but thats added fire damage

and also you want lots of arrows stuck in your targets

[fickle glen]

Yeah not the main

[tranquil sedge]

very quickly

[fickle glen]

Yes I made sure of that

[proud gorge]

alright, if this one doesn't give me any halfway decent profit I'm gonna be peeved

[minor mantle]

3c

[fickle glen]

I just wish explosive arrows had a lock to where you can’t make it pierce

[frigid wedge]

ppl assumed ignite bc the primary build that uses explosive arrow is ignite based

[proud gorge]

that last map didn't even give me a T17 smh

[frigid wedge]

just dont pick up pierce

[tranquil sedge]

i mean thats called not using generic pierce

like pierce support exists for a reason

[frigid wedge]

on gear or tree

[tranquil sedge]

ur inventing problems that dont need to be problems

[tranquil sedge]

or whatever other sources of targeted pierce

[frigid wedge]

naw ur good its just not my preference

[tranquil sedge]

run a t17 next rolled for currency and scarabs 😄

[frigid wedge]

not particularly uncomfortable, just not for me

[normal hedge]

Also you dont need ehots to shock just click all dmg can shock from elementalist ascendancy

like its a solved build you know

[fickle glen]

Are skilled linked to mana forge able to use other supports connected to it when man forge trigger it?

[normal hedge]

yes

[fickle glen]

Nice

Nooo barrage cant support triggered skills 😭

[frigid wedge]

most common mfa link is frenzy+powercharge on crit+mfa+cast on crit+ tornado

[brazen vector]

culling strike too

[proud gorge]

alright well I already got a raw div drop so at least I'm not losing money on this map

[fickle glen]

Oh

I have ensnare other than frenzy on it

[frigid wedge]

yeah thats fine im just telling u what is most common

tornado setup isnt needed, ppl use it for fork and chair

[grizzled lily]

is tonardo even that good

in a bow setup

i feel like before tornado can debuff them

youre alr dead

[frigid wedge]

its for ur projectile to fork or chain off

has nothing to do with debuff

[grizzled lily]

what donyou mean

[normal hedge]

did you read tornado?

[frigid wedge]

you can hit tornado

[grizzled lily]

i read the debuff section

[normal hedge]

read tornado

[grizzled lily]

im on the train

wait

[normal hedge]

Create a Tornado that hinders and repeatedly damages enemies around it. It will move forward for a duration, during which your projectiles can collide with it to deal damage as though it was an enemy. Then it will chase down enemies for a secondary duration, and reflect a portion of the damage it took from your projectiles to them in addition to its own damage.

its nice for ehots/LA etc etc

[grizzled lily]

a

i just read it

its gotta be bait tho no

that tornado wont be efficient

enough

[proud gorge]

here it is again, the Hell Corner

[normal hedge]

no, mfa coc tornado is very efficient

[grizzled lily]

ill check it out on my long dead bow build

i remember swapping tornado for just tornado shot and just rolling with it

i like me some extra projectiles

[proud gorge]

oh nice

profitable it is

[normal hedge]

how long gonna take me to farm Darkness Enthroned in SSF

[proud gorge]

funnily enough, the Hell Corner is now so full of corpses that each strongbox is spawning, like, 10 guys in the corner

[normal hedge]

🤔

[silent leaf]

its common

[normal hedge]

oh rlly?

[proud gorge]

because turns out if the area is stuffed with too many corpses, it just doesn't have room to spawn monsters

[silent leaf]

its like 1 out of 2 runs iirc

[normal hedge]

oh i thought it was harder than that

[proud gorge]

yeah Darkness Enthroned is a pretty common abyssal depths drop

just gotta go down into the depths and beat up the abyssal lich

[grizzled lily]

is it possible to force the boss?

[lean urchin]

there is always boss if it is abyssal depths

idk if u can force depths somehow

[grizzled lily]

thats what i asked

[lean urchin]

no it wasnt

[grizzled lily]

[silent leaf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/quotemeifstare/comments/1fg0ann/abyss_uniques/

[normal hedge]

cool

ty

[proud gorge]

you can't force it, but this Atlas node should give you a pretty high chance to see abyssal depths

and like, if you only need one, you can just run a few maps with abyss on them

until you get a depth, then roll the 1 in 2 for the unique

and since it doesn't have rolls, if that's your belt, then you're just done

[brazen vector]

no rolls?

[cobalt blade]

just always id 100% smh

[normal hedge]

i juist need to id 51 of them on average

[proud gorge]

oh, I guess it does have a roll, I just forgot it did

[brazen vector]

it had no rolls before 3.21, so maybe thats it

[grizzled lily]

how rare is the abyss body armour

[normal hedge]

3%

according to the reddit post

[grizzled lily]

tbh

i think farming for it and making an abyss clunky build

would be the move

no?

30 abyss jewels

[normal hedge]

ive never seen anyone using it other than the autobomber build

well, i did, but it was still worse than other uniques

[frigid wedge]

its used in a lot of accuracy stackers before this league

[grizzled lily]

ive once bought for fun

never used it

sits in the collection

[normal hedge]

hidden blade was fun in 3.26

[steel light]

a quad tab is just an expensive luxury 4x normal tab right?
like a discounted 6x normal stash for 110 coins gives more space than a quad tab at 120 coins right?

[normal hedge]

when legacy 16.5 maps was a thing

[grizzled lily]

yea, quads cant be merchant tabs

anyways

[frigid wedge]

that's why it's called a quad

[proud gorge]

oh, that's probably it yeah, last time I used it was definitely before 3.21

[steel light]

if i'm cheap and want more spaces total, get the 6x normal tab right?

[grizzled lily]

no minions?:(

[frigid wedge]

yes

[grizzled lily]

yep

i like darkness enthroned on minions for the chaos dot

[proud gorge]

welp, that second containment map definitely made up for the lack of profits from the first

[steel light]

was doing maths and confused by the large price difference to space

[grizzled lily]

its cause its big but its not as good anymore

no more trade pops

[frigid wedge]

yeah rilay shroud of the lightless is traditionally an accuracy stacker items

[proud gorge]

I'm not exactly blazing through these maps, but this was mostly just a test to see if it's profitable