1┃general

[proud gorge]

which I guess makes some sense

if nothing else, categorizing the Elder and his guardians as "not Eldritch" would kind of be ridiculous

they're kind of the literal picture of the concept

[gilded hull]

Eater too

Honestly Tangle and Decay seem similar from what I've seen

Well like in art

More blue for the tangle ofc

[thick goblet]

when we defeat the pinnacle bosses are we killing them in the lore? or just weakening them?

[gilded hull]

For elder no, shaper no because of uber elder, searing exarch and eater maybe? Maven ofc no

[proud gorge]

just driving them away as far as I'm aware

[gilded hull]

Sirus yes

Only "pinnacle" bosses I can think of you definitely kill are the bestiary beasts

[hard cliff]

What's sirius lore he just a really powerful exile who said fuck it we ball I'mma do my own thing BITCH

???????????

His build is insane

[elfin shale]

We're Sirus or something

[gilded hull]

He was trapped in the atlas for like 300 years unable to move and went insane

[hard cliff]

but doesn't seem good for mapping

[hard cliff]

That's fuckin based

[lean urchin]

zana locked sirus in with his buddies, zana loved sirus.

[gilded hull]

Zana did it to his ass

[hard cliff]

Why did she do him like this ?!

[gilded hull]

He's one of the elderslayers

He was trapped with the elder

it was for the greater good

[lean urchin]

they were too greedy mapping at insane paces

[proud gorge]

yeah the Elderslayers are the PoE0 exiles lmao

[gilded hull]

Aren't we the elderslayers? Like same time

[proud gorge]

they're gonna put us in PoE2 as their elderslayers

[lean urchin]

we are elderslayers 2.0

[elfin shale]

The players before Conquerors of The Atlas were the Elderslayers

[hard cliff]

I hope it's my eyes flashbang Ice Trap of Hollowness build

[gilded hull]

Yeah that's what I thought

That it was just a sort of retcon

[elfin shale]

Yeah

[hard cliff]

Reap ignite bosss would be cool

[elfin shale]

The lore is really, really, really messy to actually play through nowadays imo

[thick goblet]

how's bleed bow going

[proud gorge]

I mean, in actual practice the "Elderslayers" are the old atlas version of the PoE1 exiles, before Conquerors of the Atlas

[elfin shale]

Who the fuck is Zana and why are you fighting the Elder? Who knows cuz its not in the game anymore

[gilded hull]

Like skipping Oriath lol

[hard cliff]

Trial of the Ancestors had literally 4+ lore dump fully voiced acted c harecters and it's all gone now

:|

[gilded hull]

At least it's not 3.1 atlas mechanics

Or whatever added the zones of influence

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I believe the "actual" lore of the exiles is that there were some OG exiles who participated in the Fall of Oriath, were shoved into the atlas, and killed Elder. Then those guys became the elderslayers, while we're now the second (or maybe even third) generation of exiles

so the Shaper and Elder fights are no longer canon to the current versions of the exiles

[hard cliff]

Zana lit the atlas on fire last league

[spice pecan]

it feels pretty good, almost done with white maps, but i'm a little directionless after this

I know i should transition to frenzy/affliction stack slayer, but the pob has old ralakesh + disciple of the slaughter AND unyielding, so i don't really know how i'm going to generate endurance (or affliction) charges reliably

[hard cliff]

Assassians mark probably your best bet

[proud gorge]

there's a lot of exiles roaming around the Atlas in various places

like the Rogue Exiles are canonically previous exiles sent into the atlas

all of them

just, like, less successful ones

[spice pecan]

I might just have to get like, frenzy mod on chest or something

and get rid of endurance charges which is a mega feelsbad

or i guess frenzy mod on chest + the 8% on kill with MFA frenzy is enough for that

but then I don't have frenzies AND afflictions with endu ralakesh

[hard cliff]

No endurance charges as a duelist is insane

[elfin shale]

MFA Frenzy is basically free isnt it?

Frenzy Ralakesh, MFA Frenzy, Endurance Mod on chest

[gritty garnet]

I miss frenzy of onslaught on mfa good times

[elfin shale]

Unless you're mega socket starved i guess

[hard cliff]

what does mfa mean again

[elfin shale]

manaforged arrows

[hard cliff]

ahhh true

[gritty garnet]

muh frenzy aaugh

[spice pecan]

that might be the play tbh

no replica farrul's available, nor do i want to do aspect of the cat stuff anyway

and daresso's defiance is giga clunky

[charred condor]

When Di u start this build

[spice pecan]

friday morning when pohx PL opened

[charred condor]

This Friday

?

[spice pecan]

yes

as in like 36 hours ago

[charred condor]

HOWWWWW?

[spice pecan]

?

[charred condor]

Are u on maps

[spice pecan]

yeah starting yellow maps now

[charred condor]

I’m still no done with Campaign

Wow

[thick goblet]

a lot of people can do campaign in 4-8 hours

[spice pecan]

you eventually get fast

i'm really slow at campaign for someone with 5000 hours

tbh

[hard cliff]

Me too

[elfin shale]

I did it in about 12 hours this league and this is my third

[hard cliff]

Why are you playing bleed blow I thought you hated it in campaign lol

ohhhh no

[spice pecan]

no no, i said it was sick in campaign

[hard cliff]

you said it was good in campaign but clunky

yes

[spice pecan]

not even that clunky tbh but

i just see there being scaling problems by like red maps

and from what i've seen, others seem to agree

but campaign and white maps have been free as fuk

tho i did snipe this for 5c

550 pdps bow on the correct base for the topend damage

[hard cliff]

fuck yeah

that's sick

[elfin shale]

Wouldnt you rather craft DoT multi

[spice pecan]

don't have it rn

[elfin shale]

oh true

[opaque sphinx]

[sage falcon]

i dont even recognize that currency is it over

[gritty garnet]

it's 500 mana flasks

[stuck phoenix]

go to bed grandpa

[hard cliff]

Chris Wilson

[sinful idol]

guys do i buy poe2 to get the 300 coins and use them on poe1?

[gritty garnet]

you mean the supporter pack

[sinful idol]

im between this or other game on promotion/sale XD

[hard cliff]

Currency is currency

[sinful idol]

i saw some videos about the essential stash tabs i have exactly 30 euros to spend

[gritty garnet]

the packs never go on sale really so you can buy it at any time or wait until it leaves early access next decade

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/nayaland-rnk-retroneko-neko-retronekogif-gif-24647803

[sinful idol]

my problem is that my laptop does not have a lot of space

and poe2 is big

if i buy it, its more to get the coins for poe1

i know its shared

[stuck phoenix]

how much space?

[sinful idol]

i will get the same tabs on both

[sinful idol]

im talking about po2, poe1 its fine in terms of disk space

[hard cliff]

holy fug

[stuck phoenix]

on a side note, you can also buy a different 30 dollar pack and get actual cosmetics

[hard cliff]

124 gigs

[sinful idol]

yh this is big

[stuck phoenix]

but maybe you don't care about those

[sinful idol]

nah i need the tabs specially when they get to a sale

[stuck phoenix]

assuming you don't intend to play poe2 in uh

how long did they plan to keep it in ea again?

[sinful idol]

i have 40hr in poe1 im kinda a new player

[stuck phoenix]

you misunderstood

check the 30 dollar packs

[sinful idol]

i can try it eventually but i only have more or less 150 gbs

i used them to play other games too

50 for poe1, the other space is for other games/college

[sinful idol]

@stuck phoenix

i get 300 coins and they are shared between the 2 games from what ive heard

[tight plinth]

why buy poe2 access when you can buy this

[stuck phoenix]

I literally saw that screenshot already

[sinful idol]

because if one day i feel like it i can play poe2 (with this said if i install it, it will be the only game i have on the laptop because of low space)

[stuck phoenix]

maybe that one day is after ea ends :p

[tight plinth]

tbf, theres really nothing decent thats 30 bucks rn

[sinful idol]

it will be free? but when thats the catch

[sinful idol]

there are lot of games for that price

[sinful idol]

even if i buy this, its mainly skins no?

[tight plinth]

i meant in poe1 shop xd

[sinful idol]

like i said i have 40 hrs into poe1 im kinda noob

[sinful idol]

i see

[tight plinth]

dont buy that lol, i was memeing

[sinful idol]

i see a lot of people saying that you must get the tabs

[tight plinth]

yes you really want tabs

[stuck phoenix]

all things you can buy with 30$ give you 300 points

[sinful idol]

otherwise you will not have space for end game

[tight plinth]

thats not a meme

[stuck phoenix]

points that you would spend on tabs

the question is cosmetics or ea poe2 key

[tight plinth]

^

if you only want to spend 30 bucks, i say get the key

[sinful idol]

i saw videos to buy the tabs in discount (map tab, currency tab and then some more 1 or 2 tabs that i dont remember)

[stuck phoenix]

merchant, currency, map

[tight plinth]

+1

[stuck phoenix]

fragment because you have some spare

[tight plinth]

those 3 are mandatory imo

[sinful idol]

ill do it on sale idk when it will be

[stuck phoenix]

now

and in three weeks

[sinful idol]

oh XD

[stuck phoenix]

and in three weeks after that

...

...

[sinful idol]

in what day it will end?

[stuck phoenix]

it lasts for the weekend

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3904215

[sinful idol]

i see

[stuck phoenix]

totally doesn't also remain for monday

[tight plinth]

oh he wont have enough for merchant tab

[stuck phoenix]

don't you?

[tight plinth]

wait no i cant do maths nvm

[stuck phoenix]

thought so

[tight plinth]

can you still turn your premium to merchants or is that offer over?

[sinful idol]

180 here

[stuck phoenix]

it's forever

but

as always

it is only for tabs bought before they existed

[tight plinth]

ah makes sense

[sinful idol]

merchant is 30 so 210

[tight plinth]

now it gets subjective

[stuck phoenix]

eh fragment as fourth purchase is pretty much a given

[tight plinth]

personally i like frag and essence

[undone gazelle]

• frag tab = 265

[stuck phoenix]

essence is worthless if you don't grind essences

[sinful idol]

so this ones are the must have?

[stuck phoenix]

frag is less of a must have but it's definitely the fourth most useful

[sinful idol]

i will still have 35 coins

[stuck phoenix]

you can spend those on what you feel like

[charred condor]

Lemme guess

[stuck phoenix]

after that it's subjective

[charred condor]

First time buying tabs

[sinful idol]

i was thinking about buying po2 for the coins, to use in poe1

[charred condor]

Wdym

[undone gazelle]

id just get another merchant

[dark mesa]

i just did first blood but might need more for a map tab...

[tight plinth]

you can buy currency and map tab with coins from first blood pack

[charred condor]

Anyway, I asked this same question and started a war on wether or not map tab was good

So….

[tight plinth]

tell the names of the people who said map tabs wasnt good

[stuck phoenix]

yeah but you're short 10 for currency + map + merchant tab

since it only worked out because you'd go for premium upgrade

[charred condor]

Idk but pixel was saying yes

And so was wisdom something

Sry if I can’t remember the names correctly

[sinful idol]

merchant, currency, map, fragment = 265 if i get another merchant i will be = 295 remaining 5 coins

[tight plinth]

weta

[sinful idol]

with this ones i will not have issues right?

[stuck phoenix]

Yes

[charred condor]

That’s good setup for tabs

It’s what I’m doing

[stuck phoenix]

You can wait with the second merchant tab to see if you'd rather have another regular tab or just go for the second merchant tab immediately if you think you want it

You probably do

[sinful idol]

ok thx for the help guys i will get them eventually, if i dont get them now only at 25th january or 1st february?

[tight plinth]

i rarely get to use my 2nd, tho tbf i mainly sell unid watchers

[charred condor]

@tight plinth and chairclr was one of the naysayers

[sinful idol]

Not related but i was also thinking about trying PD2 idk if anyone has already played it

[charred condor]

Try to get them on a sale, you’ll be able to get an extra reg or premium tab

I think

[sinful idol]

now its on sale thats why i was asking if i dont get them now if they will be on sale at 25th or 1st february

[charred condor]

3 weeks so I’d guess 1st Feb

Are u done with campaign?

If so get them now

[tight plinth]

wait, ME??? i said map tab wasnt good? ME??

[charred condor]

No some guy called chair clr

[tight plinth]

i thought me and that guy

[sinful idol]

i played it a while ago, i want to get back to it again with a new character

[tight plinth]

i cant imagine playing end game without a map tab

[sinful idol]

to be honest i stoped because i did not have space to keep the items and because i did not have time at the time XD

[tight plinth]

you picking up too much stuff if you run out of tab space in campaign

[charred condor]

Ok

[sinful idol]

i see

[charred condor]

If you have experience then lowk get it now

But yeah

#1┃general message

@tight plinth this guy

[stuck phoenix]

by the end of acts I usually have maybe 1 tab worth of junk lying around

2 at most

[charred condor]

Reg tab

?

[stuck phoenix]

ya

[elder marlin]

How rare is rat cage?

[stuck phoenix]

and that's with me having some tabs

[charred condor]

That’s pretty on track with me

[elder marlin]

Like how much chance orb would i need

[charred condor]

I have no tabs tho

[sinful idol]

btw guys how much time it takes for seasons to change?

[elder marlin]

On average

[charred condor]

3-4 months around

[sinful idol]

its not even that crazy i tought it took more time

thats good for replayability

[charred condor]

Yea

But only if you average less 4 hrs an act

[sinful idol]

if i finish everything theres always things to do tbf

[charred condor]

And only play 3 times a week

[charred condor]

Yea like delve and heist

[sinful idol]

idk about this, i only did heist i think

[elder marlin]

Can a quality 29 qual shaper influence sharkskin tunic turn into rat cage?

[sinful idol]

they gave me good items

[charred condor]

Yea heist is treasure pile for good currency and equipment

[charred condor]

Idk man

[charred condor]

Yes it can

[sinful idol]

btw i will need to install poe2 to get the 300 coins no?

[undone gazelle]

no

[sinful idol]

im on steam

thats why i was asking

[undone gazelle]

its included with the poe2 EA key

[sinful idol]

i know

[undone gazelle]

i forgot if you need to connect your steam with poe

[jagged raven]

ty for this amazing tips
it was full of beach now all sold almost

[sinful idol]

its connected

[undone gazelle]

then you'd get both, key and 300 points

[sinful idol]

i see

ill buy it tomorrow

and see

[sinful idol]

where did you got that?

[undone gazelle]

https://poedb.tw/

[sinful idol]

almost 2 days still

i see thx

once again thx for all the help guys

Btw for you guys what do you like more poe1 or poe2?

I know 2 is still being developed

[tight plinth]

were chatting here for a reason when poe2 league is in full swing

[sinful idol]

There are 100k players on 2 this days

Way less on 1 🥲

[tight plinth]

hey if they like it, more power to them

[sage falcon]

is it just me or is retention tied way closer to league mechanics than i thought

[tight plinth]

i figured it out quite early at least for me especially when synth and the build a monster league came out, couldnt play longer than a week

[sage falcon]

like if you look at poe2 retention, you can literally see 1. bad start when ppl think temple is worthless 2. picks up dramatically when it appears to be good 3. drops against when ggg drops a bad hotfix relating to temple 4. picks up again when that hotfix is reverted

i mean, that sounds obvious

but it surprises me that something like a whole new class (druid) barely moved the retention forward

similarly that in poe1, this is one of the most widely panned league mechanics and i suppose that's why the retention is cratered

which again feels overstated because we have had much worse leagues in terms of the rest of the patch

[tight plinth]

idk if druid was overhyped or the ascendancy is just meh

[sage falcon]

i really dont see anyone being disappointed with the druid is the thing

like yeah, it's a little rail-roady, but that railroaded result is actually pretty fun and powerful

compared to something like spears, which was literally "here is lightning spear added to the game"

think about how much is opened up by druid relative to that

in other words, i feel like druid was a success, but it barely mattered in terms of retention when ppl didnt like temple

[undone gazelle]

as for poe2, its the lack of viable endgame loop, with a snake temple you could farm it for drops, which increased demand on other mechanics like deli and abyss

[jagged raven]

anyone farming scarabs? wanted to know if its more profitable than harvest

[tight plinth]

more loot, monkey brain go brrrrrr

[undone gazelle]

aka why affliction was great

[sage falcon]

or maybe im missing the point here and it literally is all about challenge + reward

[tight plinth]

is all about the loot

[opaque sphinx]

good start kill 1/100

[hybrid harness]

I dont even think 3.27 league mechanic was main issue but more so the endgame changes they did. I still dont know why they felt the need to make the game easier but less rewarding? I want there to be harder content with more loot lol

[sage falcon]

gaem too easy

[tranquil sedge]

surprisingly decent retention despite it all ngl

[hybrid harness]

also ruined a lot of fun/meta endgame farms with the scarab changes right

[tranquil sedge]

correct

the league mechanic on its own shouldn't have been enough to kill the league

[sage falcon]

poe2? it was awful before people realized temple was rewarding

[opaque sphinx]

kill 2

[tranquil sedge]

rly?

[tranquil sedge]

but loot nerfs, endgame nerfs, strat nerfs, the tree itself all compound on top of a bad league mechanic

[opaque sphinx]

look father isnt it beautiful

[hard cliff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1q91jkj/on_327_merge_we_can_use_100_mom_with_every/

[sage falcon]

you can literally see the point where people realize temple is rewarding and it picks up

[tranquil sedge]

ah dam

[sage falcon]

week 1 was a solid 20% below abyssal and dawn

[tranquil sedge]

heck of a writeup

is that ur secret reddit alt piragon

[hard cliff]

I think it's someone on here

[tranquil sedge]

no its definitely you

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bra-smart-smart-boy-genius-steve-jobs-gif-11546922200384405708

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-mojo-jojo-powerpuff-girls-pissed-off-upset-gif-17381222

[charred condor]

How does abyss work

[sage falcon]

i have to admit i haven't played that much of either this league or the last. but i must ask, is the endgame really... that bad?

because other respects, the game seems better than ever - the meta is more balanced, there is more raw content, etc. etc.

[hybrid harness]

in 1 or 2

[opaque sphinx]

yeh im not seeing this "endgame" nerf ppl are talking about

[sage falcon]

1 obv

the thing is that of the past 36 leagues i can see on poe2db this is dead last

if it isn't endgame, i'm really drawing blanks as to why

[tranquil sedge]

t17 mod reward values lowered, map effect reduced heavily (84 or 87% smth to ~55% ish), scarabs/league mechanics made worse to kill multiple strats (alva, abyss, rogue exiles), breach is worse than old breach because it's not a good enough rework (has missing gaps like fucking over breach rings, having 5 breach types is better than 1, the wall complains u see a lot, eating natural spawns in maps), and then random shit across the board (feared invite made worse, remembered invite basically dead content, etc)

[sage falcon]

i get what you're saying but isn't that just relative to past leagues and not an absolute judgement

i.e. that doesnt really explain why it's worse than before t17s ever existed

[hybrid harness]

well they ruined strats without creating new ones. endgame is like the previous leagues with even fewer options

[sage falcon]

or it suggests that this league is not neccesarily bad, but that's it's literally because we were spoiled in the past

[tranquil sedge]

i forgot to mention that the breach itemspawning tree also basically made harbingers worth a lot less, and also helps devalue ground loot some

[tranquil sedge]

no

[sage falcon]

sure but are we really saying that in the past 36 leagues this is the single one with the least options

[tranquil sedge]

definitely not this

im definitely speaking relative to past leagues i think

[sage falcon]

you are, but to me that sounds like we are paying for the sins of past leagues

[tranquil sedge]

what?

no?

there are no 'sins' to speak of

past leagues were fun and leaguestarts were growing in playercount day 1

this is a game

literally only exists for people to play to have fun

[sage falcon]

is hoards being op not a "sin"

[tranquil sedge]

if a league is less fun and it reflects in the playercount both day1 and overtime, that's a failure from a player-fun point of view

did it cause players to quit the game early?

[sage falcon]

is it unreasonable to say that it's causing players to leave early right now?

[tranquil sedge]

hordes being taken away is causing them to leave, not it being added

(obviously not on its own but for the sake of discussion sure)

its like a dozen tiny little cuts that add up to an overall worse game experience

[sage falcon]

yes, but then are we suggesting that we can't get rid of it even if it's op

[tranquil sedge]

i didn't say that

this is where ggg fails

there's a difference between OP and dead content

they rarely find that balance properly

u can't tell me they were incapable of finding a balanced nerf to things

like imagine if abyss loot was somehow cut by ~30% that wouldn't kill the strat

or same for alva

or if rogue exiles were say made 20% worse, or 20% harder

and the map effect nerf for example was a global loot nerf out of fucking nowhere

what exactly did that accomplish

it doesn't benefit casual andys, and it only affects endgame players

[sage falcon]

the problem is that i support that 100%

[tranquil sedge]

average/casual/bad players did not benefit from the changes whatsoever

endgame players just see less loot but they're still going to be the top players

except they'll play less time because less tinks and less fun and less reason to push builds

and even the breach tree which does benefit casuals, is ultimately bad game design

because its just a way to ensure people quit faster and loot's worth less

i think there's basically 2 metrics here - one is business perspective, how much $ does the game make, then all that matters is day 1 peak playercount and selling packs

the other is player fun, which does care about sustained playercount over a league

anything that substantially affects that is not good

even if it feels temporarily fun

[tranquil sedge]

like if that was the only nerf in terms of endgame i think it would have still not been that much of an issue? yea it woulda sucked but maybe people would have gotten over it

but nah its nerf nerf nerf one other thing to be sure then also something else for safety too why not

[hybrid harness]

When I look back I do feel like most leagues bring cool new stuff which gives the motivation to grind. This league was only downsides except the fun new builds which foulborn items enabled.

[tranquil sedge]

its just the way they do things

big changes instead of small and incremental

i think the only part of the patch notes i was really happy to see were (a) foulborn currency and (b) all the small buffs to a bunch of skillgems

have to admit, that was pretty cool to see, even if it wasn't enough for some of those gems yet

ig the trickster nerfs were also good
and assassin buffs

and can't forget new core content in bloodlines, also nice, will be fun to play with that over the next few leagues

[tranquil sedge]

tbh all the ascendency changes were in line with expected/nice changes

[sage falcon]

surely there's objectively more loot now than... expedition for example?

i really havent played this league so i have to ask

[tranquil sedge]

neither have i, im 100% going off talking to a couple dozen people tops + whatever videos, reddit threads and in-game prices/metrics im tracking offline

[tranquil sedge]

sure probably? but we're not comparing to back then, that was far too long ago

[sage falcon]

in other words, our standards have irrevocably been powercrept?

that's what i feel like in that regard

[tranquil sedge]

yes
but with the caveat that more loot also came with more difficulty/endgame ceiling

game rewards build creativity and encourages it yes

but pushing those builds for most players requires a reason to do so

why bother grinding for weeks farming multimirror (or whatever ur scale of $$$ rich is) if there's nothing that you can really even test it against, or that requires it to farm a strat?

[sage falcon]

let's say for next league i personally designed the league mechanic

and it wss called "giga-delirium" and it was like deli but 10x harder and 10x more rewarding

and would be exceptionally lazy (point here is 0 effort, compared to something like breach 2 which is obviously a ton of effort), but would check all the boxes of "scale difficulty + scale loot"

would we expect the retention to recover and it to be a great league

[hybrid harness]

I don't even think we have higher standards though. If we had a rerun of affliction, absolutely 0 new content just a copy and paste, it would be incredibly popular.

[tranquil sedge]

i think it would, and it almost sounds a little bit like affliction in that regard to me

[stuck phoenix]

I do think map mod effect deserved a nerf

because people were complaining about playing with it

[silent leaf]

can we get much higher

[tranquil sedge]

what did the nerf accomplish

like just objectively, what was the goal of the nerf

[stuck phoenix]

less complaints

[tranquil sedge]

and what did it actuall do

[tranquil sedge]

no

complaints are irrelevant

[sage falcon]

well, i feel like affliction raised that standard in the first place

[tranquil sedge]

what did it actually do?

[stuck phoenix]

also less loot

[sage falcon]

it's objectively good balance

[hybrid harness]

people like big loot, this league had bad loot and less fun ways of farming said loot. foulborn items made up for it a little bit, I sure as hell played for longer than I would have without my acc jugg

[tranquil sedge]

for whom?

[sage falcon]

isn't there value to objectively good balance?

[tranquil sedge]

and in what sense?

[stuck phoenix]

me

[silent leaf]

same, i have been yapping about that for 2 leagues now

[stuck phoenix]

I am a casual andy

[silent leaf]

but yea why not just,

BUFF EVERYTHING, since SSF players will be happy, and trade will bounce back no matter what anyways, we literally have seen kalandra / sentinel - affliction

[tranquil sedge]

you're not answering my questions

what did the nerf accompliish? complaints from players do not mean anything if they still keep playing regardless of what you do

who benefited from the balance in and what way?

[sage falcon]

the idea of that being so important in the first place is implicitly bad balance

like

is there no value for good balance just for the love of the game

even if it doesnt actually benefit anyone specific in the way you're saying

[hard cliff]

@tranquil sedge @sage falcon

going łgitoyf @silent leaf

goodnight

[silent leaf]

what

wtf is łgitoyf

[hard cliff]

@silent leaf
goodnight

[silent leaf]

is this ragebait

[worldly wind]

lhurgoyf

[sage falcon]

imagine if there was a node on atlas the tree that said 50% more loot and everyone took it, if they removd that, that would be objectively good balance that benefits nobody

[silent leaf]

[tranquil sedge]

in this game you can play basically any skill you want to t16 and still reach double digit div/hr and push your build to whatever you want after

in that regard, no casual player suffers out from 'i cannot make money' literally any build running almost any strat can 'play the game' and enjoy

there is zero lack of casual content in this game at all

[stuck phoenix]

less loot being thrown around

[tranquil sedge]

calling a high-end loot nerf balance is disingenous because it does not benefit a casual in any way

[sage falcon]

do casual players even exist

[tranquil sedge]

most players are casuals

the majority.

[silent leaf]

3 words

Cyclone League Starters

[tranquil sedge]

people who maybe make it to t16

people who think pinnacle boss is an accomplishment

[silent leaf]

those casuals

are fucking

[tranquil sedge]

people who haven't touched half the mechanics in this game

ppl who play rf every league

[silent leaf]

STRUGGLING IN T6 MAPS

AFTER A FUCKING WEEK

[tranquil sedge]

sweats are way less than casuals

[sage falcon]

then why does it matter if it only hurts the top end

im a little confused in that regard

[silent leaf]

i dont think i sweat, but i still can do 2 stones within 12 hours

[sage falcon]

if most players are casuals who would never have done, alva evolution for example, why is it hurting retention if alva evolution is nuked

[tranquil sedge]

because then you're making a nerf that affects the fun of one group of players
but it doesn't actually really do anything to benefit the rest of the players

and the hardest grinding players in ur game are essentially your biggest fans and to some extent also the ones who support you more than others do, with $

so its a targeted 'fuck you because lol'

[sage falcon]

how can i say that that sounds extremely childish in civil terms

[tranquil sedge]

feel free to be uncivil xd

i mean
i don't think having game balance is something optional

i just think if ur balancing it you just should be really clear about why ur doing it

[sage falcon]

doesnt it narrow the gap? isn't that good for "casuals"

i thought the casual's biggest fear was the sweaty players inflating the economy out of reach or something

all casuals want to become sweaty in one way anyway

[worldly wind]

im pretty casual and my biggest fear is the lake of kalandra

[silent leaf]

most casuals just want for their build to function

lmao

[hybrid harness]

why would a change that isn't positive for anyone and only negative even if only for a small portion ever be good. I know that people get mad when others perform better, especially streamers, but that will never change. No nerf is gonna remove that gap.

[tranquil sedge]

that does not happen to any extent that should concern a casual, ever, basically

[silent leaf]

quite literally

casuals will do everything in their power

to play 50+-ish maybe div builds

under 1 div

[tranquil sedge]

narrowing a gap by simply chopping off the top end in a game genre that is all about zero to hero godmode is dumb in my opinion

[sage falcon]

yes, absolutely, but that's also still one of their biggest fears

[silent leaf]

they will cut every corners they willing to do

[tranquil sedge]

brother

[silent leaf]

to get higher dps numbers, inc resistances

[tranquil sedge]

what does what they think matter at all

[silent leaf]

and 2k life

[tranquil sedge]

what matters is actual results

we now have a league with an objectively shit retention rate

on top of that they also added async

[sage falcon]

it's a game, is it not all psychological

[tranquil sedge]

that means your loot is fucking worthless

as a casual that is the most stand-out point

[sage falcon]

hey i told you async hurt retention

[stuck phoenix]

which means it's easier to crash a market if you're rich

[sage falcon]

maybe not you specifically but i definetly told someone

[tranquil sedge]

no, its not

[stuck phoenix]

?

[tranquil sedge]

can you give examples

[stuck phoenix]

buy everything of x

[sage falcon]

im not saying that they're bad for the game neccesarily, but i maintain retention would be better if async and curr exchange didnt exist

[silent leaf]

make everyone SSF

[sage falcon]

i feel like that it's a scale of peak vs retention

[tranquil sedge]

most things u realistically can't do that with, and the few that you can, either are already cornered, not worth doing, or so much effort that nobody is really gonna do it, no?

unless u have any examples?

[silent leaf]

Chance orbs

[sage falcon]

you can corner the market but in a bad way, i.e. you are the one cornered buying overpriced shit xdd

[stuck phoenix]

I don't have examples in particular no

ngl you sound agitated

[tranquil sedge]

u could be right

but i still contend if they:

• just thought out the league mechanic a little better (breach ring droprates, the wall crap, eating natural spawns, just minor tweaks there)
• made the tree a little less easy to farm lower-end gear with (especially when things like rog, gwennen, and gold vendors exist)
• nerfed endgame difficulty (and consequently loot) scaling more gradually
• didn't delete different farming strats outright

even with poe2 existing to draw players away who plan to quit poe1 in advance to play poe2, and with async making the economy saturate faster, we probably would have had better retention

[stuck phoenix]

ngl I don't understand the complaints about the walls

[sage falcon]

in other words it would be so easy to make the game good

but they just refuse to

unxdd

[stuck phoenix]

^

[tranquil sedge]

other way around

its easy to not make an already good game bad

[stuck phoenix]

I also don't get how your two last points don't coincide with a slight nerf to map mod effect?

[tranquil sedge]

its less agitated, more that i just complain about the same things every time it comes up even tho i know im just retyping the same things

i like this game, i do not like the changes they are making (that i attribute primarily to jonathan even if there's no hard evidence to prove that)

my tinfoil hat theory is that the more the complain, the more chance (even if its just 0.1%) somehow that feedback will shape the game for (what i think is) the better

[stuck phoenix]

I also don't know if you want more or less breach rings

repeating things makes you agitated

[tranquil sedge]

it wasn't a slight nerf is my point, map effect was slashed almost by a third, and multiple strats were changed to be pointless
and also t17 modifier reward values were made less

[tranquil sedge]

more not less

[sage falcon]

where there's a golden agitated, there's a golden agitator

or something like that

[tranquil sedge]

alright ill stop now

[stuck phoenix]

ok

I am a casual andy, I honestly feel like the game is the same as it was last league

aside from having been updated

[sage falcon]

same

[tranquil sedge]

that's because it is pretty much the same for you

until ur pushing t16+ i don't think it has really changed all that much for you, yes

[sage falcon]

i still dont get how everyone's a casual but the only bad changes affect non-casuals

[tranquil sedge]

i've already answered that xd

[stuck phoenix]

now ur ing him

[sage falcon]

fair enough maybe im just cognitively challenged here

[stuck phoenix]

xddd

[hybrid harness]

Yea but instead of last league its more like past 2 years

[tranquil sedge]

cutting off the top end of farming doesn't make getting there particularly easier
so unless you were already there, you wouldn't really see too much of a change

which is in line with what you both said

game feels kinda the same beyond the updated/new content

that's not surprising to hear, at all

[opaque sphinx]

i dont even think the top end got cut off that hard

blight still prints

harbi prints

[tranquil sedge]

isn't harby just for xp now with beyond

[opaque sphinx]

now

no

[sage falcon]

fair point, there is probably a good deal of just fatigue here

[tranquil sedge]

what's harby printing 😮

[sage falcon]

i wish every patch they changed everything just for the sake of it

[opaque sphinx]

harbi beyond is great for scarab and currency farms cuz they add a ton of rares

[tranquil sedge]

god
yes
please new skill gem shakeups

[sage falcon]

i feel like that's the patch we've been waiting for for the past like 5 years

and there's been bits of it

like the melee rework in settlers and caster stuff in siege

[tranquil sedge]

the guys in discord i forget who yday told me about poopbutts2200 the youtuber who discussed what kinda reworks he'd wanna see to poe1 skills

man he wrote a lot and it would definitely be a shakeup

[sage falcon]

but otherwise it's starting to be apparent that that patch will never come

[cobalt blade]

the only difficult farm kind of worth doing is titanic blight and it's less to similar profit than bloodlines which is significantly easier

[sage falcon]

yea i already watched those

[silent leaf]

i saw that, and the half of the fucking thing is literally just putting damage, into generic damage, or spell damage

[hybrid harness]

I want 200 AI made scarabs that are made live 3.28 without a single human checking what they do

[tranquil sedge]

is it good because its better than harby was in 3.26
or is it good because abyss, alva, risk and rogue exiles got deleted?

[tranquil sedge]

lmfao

[tranquil sedge]

i mean

thats basically all the melee rework was too

remove totems and buff gem damage numbers

turns out that's good enough

[opaque sphinx]

cant give u an honest answer to that really its like 20d/hr tho

[cobalt blade]

there would 100% be broken shit but pls no lol

[sage falcon]

it's not like he doesnt explain why these changes are needed

[opaque sphinx]

look father isnt it beautiful

[silent leaf]

i ctrl F and see the ascendacies

and its all spell shit

even slayer isnt safe

slayer caster

[sage falcon]

spells are like half the game

[cobalt blade]

my honest opinion is they need to give us better ways to solve mana so we can actually scale cast speed to the moon and now spells are good

[tranquil sedge]

its not bad but that's a pretty low ceiling compared to past

[opaque sphinx]

quote boss get drop its that easy

[tranquil sedge]

ye hoping we get some of the flask suffixes back at some point

[tranquil sedge]

attack speed, cast speed, mana cost, etc

[cobalt blade]

Yeah flask suffix would be massive

[tranquil sedge]

and more new ones, not just wat was taken away

[opaque sphinx]

i mean fair but past that is blight

[sage falcon]

would the game be objectively better if they just deleted heartstopper

[opaque sphinx]

i dont think ppl are mad the top end got nerfed

[tranquil sedge]

i did not mention blight because it kinda survived ye

[silent leaf]

game would be objectively be better if they remove CI

[opaque sphinx]

they got mad the top end is the top end again instead of something 20% of the playerbase can do just by clicking trickster

[silent leaf]

i will now get pelted by rocks

[hybrid harness]

attack/cast speed and mana cost flask crafts back would be great yes. MB kinda weak

[sage falcon]

insert joke about woe is me, mb being weak

[cobalt blade]

blight is more of a pc check though

Not that difficult to do

[tranquil sedge]

who's they
do u mean ggg

or players

[opaque sphinx]

the players

[tranquil sedge]

ah

[tranquil sedge]

have u seen ram prices

[opaque sphinx]

?

[tranquil sedge]

and ssd prices too holy shit lol

[opaque sphinx]

my pc is shit

[cobalt blade]

[opaque sphinx]

but my build is good

so i can do it

[tranquil sedge]

my pc is going on 5 years now and the only thing i changed is the power supply a couple years ago coz old one died

here's hoping it lasts another 2-3 years at least lmao

[silent leaf]

my pc is 3 years old now

[opaque sphinx]

i got a new graphics card like 3 yrs ago, rest is like 7-9 yrs old

;emme show u my cpu

[stuck phoenix]

my gpu is 10 years old

[tranquil sedge]

o.O

what gpu

[stuck phoenix]

gonna replace it any day now

[cobalt blade]

I mean same but my game can just freeze for a minute straight during really fucked up blights lmao

[opaque sphinx]

get at me

[silent leaf]

ngl, i personally like T17s more than t16 map mod pools

[stuck phoenix]

and I got it used

[silent leaf]

i fucking hate half of the t16 map mod pools, im bearable on t17

[opaque sphinx]

gpu compared to cpu lmao

[tranquil sedge]

you'll enjoy one hell of a generational leap when you get a new one

[stuck phoenix]

hopefully

[tranquil sedge]

that'll be awesome

[stuck phoenix]

mmm

[stuck phoenix]

playing poe1 without suffering

[opaque sphinx]

swear i had 32 but guess not

[silent leaf]

mine is a bit old kek

[tranquil sedge]

1080ti was probably one of the greatest vfm cards ever lol

[stuck phoenix]

only decided I needed a new one because poe1 went from fine fps with occasional short spikes to spiking to death with keepers

[opaque sphinx]

but yeah morale of the story my cpu is ass and usually i cannot blight

but if u make ur build good enough u can

[tranquil sedge]

some of them are just dogshit but yea t17 map mods are definitely interesting

[cobalt blade]

yep and its still more of a pc check than build check imo lol

[tranquil sedge]

mainly looking at u deal no damage for 3 seconds

[silent leaf]

i mean

half of the t16 shit is just damage

[tranquil sedge]

i like most of the rest of the mods sure

[silent leaf]

half of the t17 you can just either play around, or avoid outright

like petrified statues

just fucking look back

[cobalt blade]

(you still need a good one but the better your pc is the shitter your build can be)

[tranquil sedge]

needing to play around is the fun part

[silent leaf]

(i play this as a sunder / earthshatter player)

[tranquil sedge]

having to adapt ur build

or just get strong enough

[silent leaf]

i dont even fucking have base action speed shit

[cobalt blade]

i love crash the server every tuesday if your playing molten strike mod

[tranquil sedge]

ye u can just either attack slower and harder or just do more raw dps

and ignore that mod

esp if ur playing a slammer lol just hit harder

[silent leaf]

like what, i rather take t17's

sawblades, statues, marked for death, monsters chain, grasping vines

volatile cores, drowning orbs, searing exarch runes,

[cobalt blade]

ima be real i forgot sawblades exists its such a non mod if you have any amount of recovery

[silent leaf]

like EVERY single one i listed are fucking easy as shit

to avoid

yea every one i typed are basically nothing burgers

[dark kite]

man i havent played poe in like a month

[hybrid harness]

u can turn ur character and not be affected by pet statues`?

[tranquil sedge]

im hungry now

[kindred silo]

exarch is not easy to avoid

[dark kite]

how we all doin

[silent leaf]

compared to FUCKING T16's AURA REMOVAL

[cobalt blade]

also i think your forgetting people like to get to the point they can fully brain off mapping

[opaque sphinx]

dat b2b tho

[silent leaf]

300% PHYS AS EXTRA

[silent leaf]

what else

[cobalt blade]

if you have to pay attention to avoid something its bad

unstable tentacle fiends

[silent leaf]

buffs on players expire faster

cannot regen

[tranquil sedge]

they fixed drowning orb interaction with that one 😄

[silent leaf]

LESS ACCURACY, NO FLASKS

[tranquil sedge]

finally tm

[silent leaf]

-20% MAX RES

FUCKING HELL T16 IS SO CANCER COMPARED TO T17 MODS

[tranquil sedge]

some of those are t17 mods im pretty sure

also, at least*

[cobalt blade]

-20 is t17 rest can roll on t17's

[tranquil sedge]

there there its okay
just think about banners

and all will be well

[frank perch]

only level 10 so far this league and this is the first rare weapon I get, thoughts?

[silent leaf]

dogshit

[cobalt blade]

#2┃general

[tranquil sedge]

i think you should ask in #2┃general 😄

[opaque sphinx]

whats a critical damage bonus

[tranquil sedge]

crit multi i think

[cobalt blade]

multiplier to your crit multi

[opaque sphinx]

weirdge

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-watermelon-watermelon-cat-cat-crush-crush-gif-10209359194184036203

[tranquil sedge]

i strarted watching random pvz youtube videos the other day

man the game is not what i remember as a kid lol

so many new plants and combos and stuff

[silent leaf]

those are mods

the artstyle

[stuck phoenix]

good game

[silent leaf]

is really not the fucking same and looks very wrong

like its comparing 2 diff studios

[stuck phoenix]

I only played pvz2

it was a banger

there was the ability to p2w, but since it's just a single player game, that never bothered me

[tight plinth]

is harvest the only mechanic where you kill mobs in a square

[silent leaf]

i played both

[silent leaf]

circle is ultimatum

but yes no other ones are square

lots of circles

[stuck phoenix]

temple is basically rectangle

[gritty garnet]

if you have a square monitor everything is killing in a square

[stuck phoenix]

ritual is circles

abyss is kill enemies on a poorly drawn squiggly line

[cobalt blade]

Strongboxes are rectangles which are squares

[tight plinth]

trueee

[stuck phoenix]

strongboxes are basically kill in circle

you just don't see the circle

[cobalt blade]

yo your abyss could draw a square

[stuck phoenix]

true

[silent leaf]

you just made me remember people who believe in playing FPS on 810 x 1080 think you can headshot easier

cause the pixels are compressed

[tranquil sedge]

what about killing mobs in squircle

[cobalt blade]

burn the witch D:

[tranquil sedge]

its because its stretched horizontally

isn't that why some ppl play cs on weird resolutions to make it wider

[tight plinth]

im calling it now, next league is talisman league 2.0

[gritty garnet]

[stuck phoenix]

how's this for a squircle

[silent leaf]

https://youtube.com/shorts/asTywgpiSkQ?si=_aTh16F6isYbPjrR

[tranquil sedge]

that do be just a D

[hybrid harness]

we aren't even close to 3.28

they released poe2 0.4 too early smh my head

[cobalt blade]

should be 1.5 months no?

[stuck phoenix]

ok how about this one

[exotic patrol]

@uneven magnet hello sir

[tranquil sedge]

10/10

[tranquil sedge]

||amogus!?!?||

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-shocked-pretends-to-be-shocked-omg-wow-gif-5194187393645250946

[stuck phoenix]

Amoonguss

[tight plinth]

god i hate that mushroom

[stuck phoenix]

I have forgotten its sound

I miss simpler times

when black 2 was fun

[barren river]

amogus was so cringe

[worldly wind]

among us 😂

[silent leaf]

It's still better than people saying 67 now

[barren river]

true

[silent leaf]

I rather people say sus instead of saying 67 with the most annoying fucking voice

[stuck phoenix]

sus

[silent leaf]

Like they purposefully say it with the most punchable face and voices

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/sixseven-six-seven-six-seve-67-gif-14143337669032958349

[silent leaf]

Yep

[silent leaf]

Sus

[solar smelt]

Recently every character I make feels ridiculously squishy despite the fact I think I've given them somewhat ok defenses. I've run into the issue now where several times I've had a character that exceeds the amount highest amount of dmg I've done on other characters, but when I enter maps it doesn't even remotely feel that way. Why is this?

[silent leaf]

You aren't using CI

[tranquil sedge]

perhaps they're not as tanky as you think

share your build pob/link

especially if its 'when you enter maps'

[cobalt blade]

are you doing harder maps on that character compared to your other runs

[solar smelt]

Like I almost have 100k dmg on one of my skills and it feels I'm still struggling to kill enemies quickly

[cobalt blade]

like rolling more damage mods or tossing on other shit

[tight plinth]

link your pob and lets see

[tranquil sedge]

-100k is not a lot
-you are definitely doing more than 100k, tooltip is NOT accurate
-share your pob or build link

[stuck phoenix]

ok that's enough amogusposting

[silent leaf]

I'm on 50k DPS in T16

[tranquil sedge]

ur special

[silent leaf]

on RF back in T16.5 Abyss farming

[stuck phoenix]

raw dps isn't everything

how fast that dps comes online matters

and how long you spend minimum to deal dps

[cobalt blade]

pure pain for abyss

[tranquil sedge]

also he's almost definitely doing more than that if 100k is on the tooltip

[silent leaf]

Nah you just run 4 types of explode

And just

Run all defenses

Lmao

[stuck phoenix]

spell echo for example is +sustained dps, but makes it take longer to kill something you oneshot before

[solar smelt]

Can I get the link example?

I keep forgetting it

[covert swan]

To link your profile, log in to the website and follow these steps https://puu.sh/v17at/5ee63f8fb9.mp4

Then, copy paste the current URL at the top of your browser window, and paste it here.

--

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[stuck phoenix]

it's literally just !link

[cobalt blade]

pure pain

[stuck phoenix]

and it's just copy url

[silent leaf]

Zelda:

[silent leaf]

Well it's kinda necessary for 8 mod + 1 risk on RF

[tranquil sedge]

or if u share ur accoutname#number im happy to pull your pob for you

[silent leaf]

I fucking

[cobalt blade]

(i dislike the explode fishing shit)

[silent leaf]

Hate using spell casters

So I'm forced to run RF

[cobalt blade]

fair enough

[silent leaf]

And the fact of the matter is

[cobalt blade]

Dislike them too after mana flask craft was removed lmao

[minor mantle]

nah explosions are goated

[cobalt blade]

yea but not fishing for the 1 big ignite that prolifs

[silent leaf]

Ur forced to getting fucking spell mastery chest bullshittery for abyss hoards

[cobalt blade]

That shit sucks

[solar smelt]

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Crimson_Howler#9004/characters?realm=sonu&characterName=Pippin

[silent leaf]

Yea I had 2x obliterations and maven boots

[cobalt blade]

yeeeah that was pain last league

played some incinerate eblade nonsense to minimize mana costs lol

and let me actually scale cast speed so it felt good

[tranquil sedge]

here's your character, zero configurations done

[silent leaf]

3k life

Non capped res

[cobalt blade]

holy gems

[silent leaf]

13k armour

[tranquil sedge]

maybe i can add a couple configs like endurance charges sec lemme see easy ones

[silent leaf]

I mean armour is kinda fine ig

Life is the only bad part

[minor mantle]

what the fuck

[silent leaf]

3k life is act 8 for me

[minor mantle]

oh

[silent leaf]

Ah it's an int stacker

[jagged raven]

what is this build called with the tortoise?

[tranquil sedge]

https://pobb.in/tgnbtM8o044s
updated with endurance charges

[cobalt blade]

perfect guardian turtle

it just gives determ

[silent leaf]

Raise spectres?

[tranquil sedge]

this is not 'entering maps' build this is late maps build looks like to me

and if that's the question then well not really hard to see why issues

[jagged raven]

oh he raised tortoise

i followed one that raised a monkey

[minor mantle]

the monkeys give charges :D

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-mmmm-monkey-turtle-kung-fu-panda-gif-17129341

[solar smelt]

I'm working on my resistances now, but besides that and my life? what else do I need to do to feel better about my survivabilty?

[gritty garnet]

turtle keeps itself alive most of the time by being too slow to run into stuff

[minor mantle]

u need some leech and some avoidance/more tankiness

[cobalt blade]

convert to ES

[gritty garnet]

if you try to run any other support spectre on non-summoner classes you'll have a harder time keeping them alive

[tranquil sedge]

low life, non-existent flasks, not much armor, that's a lot of uniques in your build, not sure why that combination of auras, and your main skill is still a 4-link?

[silent leaf]

Ur an int stacker

[cobalt blade]

you have 1k int just get a big twilight regalia

and click CI

[silent leaf]

Just get CI

Yea

CI fixes everything

About defenses*

[tranquil sedge]

not without fixing his gear and stuff to actually give him es

[tight plinth]

you seem to be following a guide but not really, the build is very confusing

[solar smelt]

I'm not following any guide

[silent leaf]

then you should've played a league starter instead

[tranquil sedge]

clicking CI right now would just brick his character instantly lol

without a good number of other changes

[silent leaf]

Tbf

If ur playing these kinds of bukld

[cobalt blade]

its mostly chest/hat

[silent leaf]

Be prepared to fucking fork over ur currencies

[tranquil sedge]

still worse off than just getting more life

no?

lemme try inserting in pob

but even CI aside for as ec

why is reave still a 4link not a 6link

[minor mantle]

and what is living lightning

lao

[tranquil sedge]

why those flasks, get 4 good utility flasks with good suffixes and automate them with enchant

[cobalt blade]

idt so 900-1100 es chest 350-400 es hat * all the int es

[tranquil sedge]

why that unique helmet and body, those should both be good rare items instead ^

[cobalt blade]

awful skill added this league

its weird

(skill support hybrid)

[solar smelt]

The helmet helps with keeping my int high, but yeah I could probably replace all things considered

[tight plinth]

it looks like an omni build but with no omni

[minor mantle]

ive never seen a jug with so much dex

[tranquil sedge]

the jewels are also a little questionable i don't get why you're dex stacking here ngl

[tight plinth]

isnt dex stacking jugg meta now?

[tranquil sedge]

you're doing mainly lightning damage not phys, no?

or am i missing smth

[minor mantle]

nah who donated this

nahh

sell taht shit

[cobalt blade]

flat int on your hat isnt that much less

[solar smelt]

I made that

[cobalt blade]

oh my god i didnt even look at that cluster incredible

[minor mantle]

nah wtf

gg bro u made a very nice cluster

but you aren't awander :)

[tranquil sedge]

that helmet is basically a 1-mod item as far as your build is concerned honestly

[minor mantle]

or stacking strength

[silent leaf]

Am I missing smth

Isnt that cluster kinda bad?

No ES and no int

[minor mantle]

that cluster is perfect

worht a lot of divs

[silent leaf]

No ES

[cobalt blade]

no es no int no inc damage

[tranquil sedge]

for a strength stacker maybe
not for him

[silent leaf]

Hits hard

[stuck phoenix]

Perfect for someone who wants str

Aka valuable

Maybe

Probably

[tight plinth]

str stacking wander is pretty meta

[barren river]

why damage instead of es?

[silent leaf]

Yea it's very questionable

[solar smelt]

The problem is me trying to sell the cluster to get one that's more applicable to my build

Wander?

[pulsar dune]

strstack wands would also go for spell damage, no?

[silent leaf]

That's not worth nearly as much

As ES ones

[tranquil sedge]

wander is a build that uses wands to attack

u are not a wander

[cobalt blade]

they dont want the inc damage though and they want spell dam since iron will/crown of eyes

3 mod cluster

[stuck phoenix]

hhmmm

[pulsar dune]

actually neither of those for wands

wand skills just do this by default/from mastery

[tranquil sedge]

anyway the cluster jewel is a nice jewel but not a good one for your build in particular, if you can sell it for money that would be better put into all the other things instead

[barren river]

no one will buy it

[cobalt blade]

ye crown isnt necesary but you still take will

either way tht inc damage is like .1% per passive

[silent leaf]

Yea that cluster

Is kinda doo doo

35% frac alone is worth a lot of divs

But anything else

Isnt

[cobalt blade]

also ye too late in the league for that to sell for the mods on it in a reasonable amount of time

[solar smelt]

What helm should I be going for?

[tranquil sedge]

like fixing ur helm and body and maybe even belt (because synth belts are cheap), fixing your flasks (use some proper flasks, 4 utility flasks with 4 good suffixes and enchant them to use automatically), fixing your resistances (not even res cap), getting some actual damage going (your main skill is a 4link, it should have been 6-linked with proper supports a long time ago), getting either more HP or taking CI node on tree and going ES instead, figure out your aura situation (why both purity of elements and purity of ice?), your molten shell is not linked to cast when damage taken

[tight plinth]

what build are you going for?

[tranquil sedge]

you should be fixing things like that

[cobalt blade]

if you decide to swap to es a big lich circlet with int and es

[barren river]

int acc stacker

[solar smelt]

I'm trying to do the accuracy stacking jugg

[minor mantle]

just go to poe.ninja and look for juggernauts running foulborn Hand of Thought and Motion, then look at what everyone is running, all the builds are identical

[solar smelt]

A high ilvl es helm rolled a bit will be better for me right?

[barren river]

i wanted to play classic flicker instead of int acc

[minor mantle]

yes just big es with int

[cobalt blade]

yeah

yknow i just realized your on console actually idk if yous have a decent market of random cheap shit from tree

[barren river]

500+ es with t1 int

[tranquil sedge]

okay just a generic circlet and regalia with all t2 mods (prefixes + int suffix) puts him almost at 7k es lol

with no other changes

would need to get a source of es leech from somewhere tho

that's also probably part of why he's dying, he has basically no recovery on life either

life flasks don't cut it

[barren river]

and you use a 1.2k+ es regalia with int on it

that build is so flawed

[cobalt blade]

its right next to ghost reaver and clever thief

Like most int stack juggs

(alternatively es leech on a cluster notable if you want es recharge)

[tight plinth]

is he int stacking or dex stacking?

[cobalt blade]

int

the dex is just from all att/astramentis

[tranquil sedge]

aren't those spell damage leech nodes

[barren river]

why astramentis?

[tranquil sedge]

for any attribute stacker its a lot of flat

its just an easy starting item

[barren river]

why not a synth one?

[cobalt blade]

Clever thief

[minor mantle]

cheap

[cobalt blade]

1% of attack dmg leeched as mana/life then ghost reaver

[pulsar dune]

synth is pita to craft, less damage than a influenced one, and you can end up having to fix non-int attribute requirements

[barren river]

ghost reaver😳

[tranquil sedge]

oh okay
won't be enough for him tho with his current dps on its own but ye

[tranquil sedge]

its not pita to craft rly

[cobalt blade]

Ye would need other changes too

[tranquil sedge]

u just essence int until attribute roll and its already better than astramentis

ignoring all other mods too

[barren river]

a real int acc just takes 4 large jewel sockets

[pulsar dune]

yea idk how much you need the other attributes

I know on strstack it was really bad