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[iron pollen]

sry

XD

[spice pecan]

np

[twilit granite]

just wondering if anyone else has been having stuttering issues with the game?

[brazen vector]

During giga juiced blight, yea

How'd it go?

[ashen knoll]

guys, anyone else losing connection to server every 10 min ?

[proud gorge]

man, what's even the point of Very Strict if it's still showing all these random ground rares

[jagged raven]

havent tried it
my internet got cut off
they fixed it now xD

[hard cliff]

looking at a weapon on captainlances HoGM guy wtf

[minor mantle]

the crucible mod standard stuff is crazy lmao

[proud gorge]

also, man, I can see why nobody runs Citadel

that boss fight took forever

[silent leaf]

I mean

Theres more cancer ones

[minor mantle]

citadel boss is free tho?

[silent leaf]

Like Ziggurat

[minor mantle]

rigght?

[silent leaf]

Yea just "long"

[proud gorge]

the boss fight is just lots of waiting

[minor mantle]

does it have invinidble phases?

[silent leaf]

Not like Fortress where you go in, 10 seconds, get frags, fuck iff

[proud gorge]

it's like a 7 phase boss or something

[minor mantle]

oh

lmfao

[silent leaf]

Catarina is kinda worse imo

Which is ziggy

[minor mantle]

i never knew that u had to epxlode the dudes on the ground before they start crawling

ive died like 10 times to her :(

no fragement

[proud gorge]

huh, those are some weirdly good rewards for those modifiers

aw I corrupted it and it turned into a way worse 8-mod

[hoary scarab]

more currency is bait ngl

[proud gorge]

map boss Sirus is so funny, the slowest Die beam ever

[restive nova]

does headhunter gives stats if i kill unique monster also ?

or only rare yellow

[brazen vector]

This

Otherwise itd state "rare and unique"

[restive nova]

thank you

[tawdry olive]

fr it never feels as strong as more scarabs

even when doubled

[sly minnow]

what good ways are there to increase the cooldown recovery rate for spellslinger builds

for non-savoteur

[frigid wedge]

boots, bound by dest, abyssals, theres a mastery iirc

[jagged raven]

how come its so cheap now

[dapper fractal]

🙁 muted again

fuck simple mistake man

[jagged raven]

what did u say

[past mantle]

Don't do that.

[dapper fractal]

I was just trying to sell some gear on trade, didnt notice it was g1

fuck

[ebon tendon]

Sad ur gonna hav to relist your items too

[dapper fractal]

on the second ss u can even see I did list it properly, and someone even whispered

fuck man

[jagged raven]

oh u cant sell on global chat?

[dapper fractal]

if someone reports u its insta mute

[jagged raven]

damn i didnt even knew that

[split maple]

Slap in wts in front

Then system prevents you from posting in global

[proud gorge]

10 minutes is a super low global mute, it could easily have been 24 hours

that's basically just a "hey don't do that" little slap mute

[dapper fractal]

:3

[proud gorge]

I gotta say, I'm not a fan of the design of the 6-slot map device

I understand that the 5 slot kind of inherently needs to be a bit seperated out

but the 6-slot could easily just be a 2x3 rectangle

thus allowing you to put the 4-quadrant boss keys in properly again

as is the 6-slot device's floating slots mean that there's no arrangement that lets the four quadrants even line up

[split maple]

i think the easiest solution is to change it to 16 slot map device

and raise scarab limits correspondingly

[hard cliff]

16 slot map device

gonna spend half an hour and 15 div setting up my scarabs

[naive roost]

Okay, so I did The Feared at 70% quantity the other day and didn't manage to kill a single boss. Did it at 0% now, got Elder and Sirus down before I ran out of portals. What are you even supposed to do, just increase dps until you're strong enough to kill them before the clusterfuck kills you 6 times? Because with all the overlapping stuff, it doesn't really seem consistently tankable at all.

[compact bronze]

is this official discord from GGG?

[split maple]

with sirus and dread in feared kinda yeah

its a clusterfuck

[split maple]

no

[crisp plinth]

theres no official ggg discord

[split maple]

tho some devs do hang out there

[compact bronze]

ohh

[naive roost]

It's so weird, like, I get that the older fights are a mess, but this one was updated literally this patch, they have gotten a lot better at designing boss fights over the years so you'd think they might apply that. But I guess endgame is just one big gearcheck and most people are fine with that.

[split maple]

ol feared was better imo

like in new feared half of the stuff dont render sometimes

[pulsar dune]

I would recommend enough DPS to quickly clean up the bosses without phases

and probably just tank stuff

[frigid wedge]

they updated it and the bosses they add are well known for being very limiting to where u can stand

[naive roost]

Sounds about right, my strategy was basically to constantly spam flame dash in a desperate attempt to dodge boss attacks and also not stand in any degen zones, and let RF kill them while I'm focusing on surviving. It worked for a little bit, but not well enough evidently, guess I need like, 30% more dps at least.

[pulsar dune]

Even old feared was practically undodgable

[minor mantle]

feared with rf yikes

[fickle glen]

If I use temporal rift at the entrance of the heist instance and initiate it when I get the main objective for a quick exit, would the escorted NPC die since I won’t be opening any doors?

[minor mantle]

is Sirus or Atziri worse?

[frigid wedge]

atziri at least made it clear where the damage was

[split maple]

idk old feared once you got rid of chayula and cortex was pretty dodgeable

[frigid wedge]

sirus constantly offscreens u and u cant burst him down like atziri

[pulsar dune]

Sirus is far less forgiving than atziri

[warm forum]

sirus + cortex is nasty. that's the only combo that kills me at this point

[pulsar dune]

Feared is definitely much harder now

[split maple]

• that ruberband into sirus bowling alley that dont render into dread slam is kinda experience

even better when maven dupes siruses

[pulsar dune]

I got lucky in that I flamewooded Sirus instantly

[naive roost]

Oh yeah, double Sirus was kinda...not great

[minor mantle]

yeah the dread dude is actually strong right? chayula was pretty weak

[frigid wedge]

sirus still does his stupid bowling shit so u can have a shaper beam that COMPLETELY fills the space

[pulsar dune]

So no actual threat to me.

[split maple]

it has a slam

so kinda painge in combo with sirus being able to ground you

by itself idk it dont feel like much

[minor mantle]

i don't even rememeber what incarbation of dread looks like

[naive roost]

There's no way I'm getting that helmet mtx without doing the feared, right?

[frigid wedge]

the feared has a lot of full area coverage damage and they added 2 bosses that massively limit arena space

[split maple]

its that annoying go pick up roses boss

[warm forum]

shaper beam isn't as scary for me. and usually shaper just gets killed randomly since he doesnt get any bullshit phase in the feared i think

sirus going invuln while cortex shits out aoes is actual pain

[minor mantle]

oh yeah i remmeber the dude who drops the flask

i killed him like 20 times he didn't drop the flask:(

[naive roost]

I'm guessing uber versions of incarnations are not easier than feared?

[split maple]

a lot easier

uber incarnations are like easier than basic uber elder

[frigid wedge]

uber incarnation of dread is arguably worse

[warm forum]

uber dread unironically easier for me

[naive roost]

Oh? Guess I could do that instead then. I have literally never done any uber boss so I figured they were out of my league.

[frigid wedge]

he spawns the other bosses during the 1 difficult part of the fight

like an asshole

[minor mantle]

feared is easier because you can instantly kill the dread dude and sirus :)

[fickle glen]

What is uber boss lol

[naive roost]

The current plan is

1. Try Bolstered Breachlords over and over until I do it properly

2. Do 49 more pinnacle bosses or level from 98 to 100 for Grueling Game Grinds

3. The feared. But I guess something else might be easier in the third spot.

[minor mantle]

its the regular boss but takes 70% less dmg, hits harder, might have more moves? i forgor

[split maple]

pinacles is gonna be way faster than lvl100

[naive roost]

Wait, the "do 4 different ubers" one exists too, kinda forgot that one

Might be able to pull that off

[split maple]

ucortex, shaper, uber uber elder are kinda freebies

4th is freebie if you have enough dps to insta ueater/exarch

[pulsar dune]

The non-dread Uber incarnations are also giga ez

[split maple]

yea but they separate chalenge

[pulsar dune]

They aren't in the Uber challenge, huh

[split maple]

one chalenge is 4 old ubers, one is 2 new ubers

[minor mantle]

if u have that much dps all of them are free lol

[split maple]

idk i kinda hate umaven even with dps

like rly idk which is the 4th uber if you have both my level of skill issues and nonabsurd dps

[minor mantle]

lmao

every time i just die for the last memeory game

[pulsar dune]

Usirus is pretty much regular Sirus with bigger numbers, no?

IIRC my main deaths were forgetting to move out of the storm in the middle

[split maple]

usirus is ok if you can tank beam ig

[pulsar dune]

True, beam is annoying to dodge

[naive roost]

I can tank regular Sirus pretty decently, not sure how much bigger the numbers are though

[lilac parcel]

poe 1 keeps disconecting any other having this problem ?

[split maple]

half of global chat yea

[pulsar dune]

30% inc is the default, but sometimes GGG raises the numbers further separately

[dim belfry]

Can anyone from GGG explain how surrounded effects actually works? POE2DB states surrounded can't be reduced below 1, however there are viper caps that reduce to 0 effectively. How does this actually work in game because I see some pretty good builds on poe ninja but am unsure if it is actually working with 0 enemies around you, or if it is indeed needing 1 enemy in your surrounded range.

thanks

[gritty epoch]

wrong channel

[stable timber]

When it is 0, you are perma surrounded just like it says

[split maple]

lil upgrade for my kboc

[jagged raven]

what do u guys do with maps like these that dont sell?

[gritty epoch]

1% life regen when you are surrounded, that will help

[jagged raven]

wish i could play kboc
my fps goes down to 60 everytime i press kboc

[tranquil sedge]

you can do both, dps or tank or both, watever you want
but ye old feared was better

[steel light]

orb of horizon into beach?

[dim belfry]

thank you for giving an answer :), i just dont understand why the database says it cant be reduced below 1. in other games i play where wording is important can't always seems to overrule can

[split maple]

idt many people buy non-8mod non-t16.5 maps so late in league

[split maple]

idk if i ever had 60 fps tho its not so bad for perf until dying sun procs

[rancid sluice]

i had to lay off juiced harbys because all that lightning 100 times a second my poor computer was chugging

[jagged raven]

beach map is more demanding or something?

[dim belfry]

lol just noticed this is poe1 general

[pseudo axle]

I just decided to swap from earthshatter to volcanic fissure of snaking to see what the fuss was about

my GOD what a different in clear speed

instantly revitalized my desire to play

[frigid wedge]

beachhead

snaking is best clear slam

btw

nothing rlly compares other than maybe groundbreaking ignite but that's very much cheating

[gritty epoch]

Consecrated path of endurance

Slam entire screen

[frigid wedge]

it still isnt close

in terms of actual clear speed

[minor mantle]

how so?

[frigid wedge]

with the same amount of global inc aoe snaking can screen clear and then go find smth off screen

[minor mantle]

oh wow

[frigid wedge]

it chases mobs until it runs out of chains

and does aoe explode when it gets there

[minor mantle]

oh it targets stuff?

wow i never knew

[jagged raven]

beach head? u mean this map?

[pseudo axle]

yeah I got a vaal snaking gem too

[minor mantle]

i think the other person just meant this map yes

it has a good layout, so pepl acutally run it

[pseudo axle]

it feels like I'm playing a ranged build now lmfao

[frigid wedge]

oh wait it said horizon

I was thinking of harbinger orb

[gritty epoch]

Vfos used to do 3x the damage before nerf

[frigid wedge]

beach and dunes are more likely to sell tyo anyway

[frigid wedge]

i think tect slam of cataclysm used to do 5x before they broke it

they still havent fixed it

like why

[jagged raven]

i thought jungle valley and dunes was more demanding

no one wants jungle?

[frigid wedge]

jv is less desirable atm iirc

[gritty epoch]

Only 5 ppl play it so it's of lowest priority

[jagged raven]

ohhhh

[frigid wedge]

only 5 ppl play it because it doesnt work

the endurance charge scaling doesnt do anything rn iirc

[jagged raven]

which one more fun dunes or beach?

[frigid wedge]

beach

dunes is more efficient

beach is more fun

[rancid sluice]

scry dunes onto beach to get your fortunate divs best of both worlds

[minor mantle]

beach nicer layout

[rancid sluice]

yeh

dunes get weird small pockets with mobs in it you think youve full cleared and theres a 100 monsters in a little cove

[minor mantle]

and glace the beach boss has very nice voicelines

[jagged raven]

damn i gotta try it then

[jagged raven]

i scried the mageblood mirror map cards into dune 😭

[rancid sluice]

eh the fortunate is really only good one, 12 cards for 2 div. its good early on, and hell if youre just running maps might as well have something worthwhile to drop

[minor mantle]

think defiled is best? but gotta get lucky

[rancid sluice]

(good one in dunes that is)

caught a reddit post about what to scry and when you do really really rare divs you just dont see em, something more middle of the road seems to be the consensus

[frigid wedge]

scry grave trough to beach

grave trough is arguably one of the best for consistency with good cards

nvm seven years is just as common as brothers gift

and u also move apo

[jagged raven]

ive ran so many maps never seen a single apo or seven

[frigid wedge]

average 1 seven per 120

[jagged raven]

and apo?

same?

[split maple]

order of magnitude rarer

[frigid wedge]

apo is 1/900 ish

[minor mantle]

wow

[frigid wedge]

but that's according to mapsofexile

o assume with 0 quant

[split maple]

nah default filter on mapsofexile is pretty high juice

well by today standards

best to count them veiled helmet cards for 5 maps then use that as baseline in filter

[jagged raven]

damn

[normal hedge]

redviles farmed pilfering for a few weeks and his average is 2 every 80 maps

[jagged raven]

ill run beach later
if i really like it over dunes ill scry grave on it i guess

[split maple]

one benefit of beach is that its natural t16

so you can horizon your random ass t16.5/guardians to it

[jagged raven]

damn awakening price went up like crazy
i bought 100 of it few days ago for only 110c now they r 170c each

[normal hedge]

sure

but its tied to yellow juice

so its either about the same or slightly better

[tranquil sedge]

not always right?

like if suddenly another strat uses awakening it'll start fluctuating

e.g. breach pre-3.27

[minor mantle]

all streamers left for poe 2 nobody gonna start playing new strat haha

[tranquil sedge]

but yh yellow price is a good indicator

cornucopia and doubling scarabs also track prices with lifeforce price (mainly yellow)

[jagged raven]

ya then 1d= 4k yellow
now its 2.5k yellow per div

[tranquil sedge]

yep
more per scarab cost but also more returns (div per yellow)

[jagged raven]

ya it balances out or something ig

[normal hedge]

oh yeah, not a rule overall, but rn id say so

[minor mantle]

guess less people farming, more people gambling their life savings

[tranquil sedge]

ye yellow juice price went up basically 60% (1/4000 -> 1/2500)
and woke scarab went up ~55% (110->170) based on ur numbers

rilay was almost spot on lmao

[spice pecan]

lmao i needed a ryslatha's coil in the pleague and there haven't been any on trade all day

hit my last ancient wombgift before bed and

[tight plinth]

[split maple]

praised be treetree

[tight plinth]

i always liked ryslathas design

[spice pecan]

oh it's about to make this build feel like total shit lmao

i can already feel it

[silent leaf]

Friend shaped murder machine

[heady cliff]

you could pet it twice, i bet

[rancid sluice]

sure youve got two hands to lose

[split maple]

all mushrooms are edible at least once 🤓

[jagged raven]

wow im impressed u actually calcualted it

[silent leaf]

chatgpt says its safe

"ah it is poisonous"

[normal hedge]

@grok is this real

[silent leaf]

grok is short for girl c-

[normal hedge]

girl rocks

[brazen vector]

girls rock indeed

[frigid wedge]

rock girls

[whole bluff]

I don't know why I'm playing pohx league. I hit lvl 25 in east side of act 2

Only reason was to practice speedrunning

[frigid wedge]

i got to a4 and got off

for the day

[normal hedge]

killed quitava -> quit

[frigid wedge]

thats just gock

[normal hedge]

dont wanna play keepers of the walls again

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[silent leaf]

GOCK GOCK GOCK

[frigid wedge]

i wanted an excuse to play this stupid build and check my pacing

[jagged raven]

i really hope 3.28 will be much more fun
cuz im having alot of fun in 3.27 xD

[frigid wedge]

i love that the 2 ppl saying girls rock are the only girls in the conversation tho

[frigid wedge]

mans playing poe 3.27.9 over there

[normal hedge]

i'm happy ure still having fun

thats your first league?

[jagged raven]

not really
last 3times i played 3different leagues where i either stopped playing after campaign or mid campaign

[frigid wedge]

it can (hopefully) only get better from here

[jagged raven]

ya hopefully

[solar smelt]

You're a rare breed then cause a lot of people are complaining about the league. It's nice to see folks like myself who are enjoying the league.

[worldly bridge]

I love girls

[jagged raven]

thats the thing
i wish i knew how the previous leagues were
if i knew i might have complained as well :)

ignorance is sometimes a blessing ig

[worldly bridge]

Are ppl complaining?

Ive seen most lf the feedback

I think it was something like, its kind kf a “filler” league

Not too complex

[split maple]

juicing kinda feels like squeezing water out of rock this league

[worldly bridge]

Some people feel like fate of the vaal should’ve been a poe1 thing because of its complexity

[split maple]

i dont mind the mechanic and tree, just rly its hard to sustain scarbs and raw currency is kinda pain

[worldly bridge]

Ahhh

I dont do 17’s so i dont know the full extent

[split maple]

practically if you want multiple tinks per map you either need to do invigo blight or ephemeral allflames

and both are kinda hard to access

[marsh aspen]

Question about Bound By Destiny jewel, if an item has two influences, do they both count?

[split maple]

yes

[marsh aspen]

Hell yea, thank you

[worldly bridge]

Blight is also spooky

Hard as fuck

[split maple]

first voidborn hitting mb is kinda big W

[serene harness]

gg

[frigid wedge]

depends on build very heavily as to if blight is impossible, inconsistent or 0 thought

i do wonder how hard it would be to adapt my explode build to not die due to the sheer aura of the blight bosses

[fickle glen]

Is there a way to narrow the cone of arrows

[frigid wedge]

for what

the only real way is volley

[worldly bridge]

“The cone”

Need a skill name

There are lots of arrows

[fickle glen]

I have this lesser multiple projectile gem that makes me shoot multiple arrows in a cone shape

Or fan shape

[frigid wedge]

use volley

[worldly bridge]

Adding more proj makes them fire simultaneously so no you cannot make them tighter

[worldly bridge]

Or thjs

But doesnt volley have a cd

[frigid wedge]

no

[worldly bridge]

Also one more button

[fickle glen]

I tried volley but it just makes it rectangle

[frigid wedge]

u either get a cone or a rectangle

[worldly bridge]

Wtf

[fickle glen]

Uh dang

[frigid wedge]

the is no decrease to spread

[frigid wedge]

it is sorta rectangular

[worldly bridge]

Wait im thinking of something else

Whats it called

Repeats attacks per frenzy or smth

[whole bluff]

Sounds like poe2

[fickle glen]

I guess ill stick with cone since it can hit all shots on the closest target

[worldly bridge]

Yeah but i thibk its in one as well?

[sly minnow]

im still salty about something in poe2

[split maple]

Barage?

[frigid wedge]

theres barrage

[sly minnow]

why the fuck are totems cockblocked behind needing to generate charges

[whole bluff]

PoE1 just has some skills that shoot "barrages"

[frigid wedge]

but its not cooldown

[worldly bridge]

Ye thank you

[whole bluff]

And I guess barrage support

[frigid wedge]

it just eats ur attack speed

[fickle glen]

What does barrage do?

[sly minnow]

sometimes idk how barrage is optimally used

[split maple]

Makes you shot in line

[sly minnow]

i always felt like I lose more to use them compared to say gmp and other split mechanics at cost of less damage

[frigid wedge]

2 options

barrage feels like shit with bows tho

[fickle glen]

Why am I looking a pic of nipple?

[worldly bridge]

I personally never had issues with the cone of arrow skills

You fire so many projectiles it doesnt really matter to me

[whole bluff]

In PoE1, the strict rule for almost everything is that projectiles fired at the same time from the same skill can't impact the same target. Explosions differ but yeah. Barrages shoot a rapid succession of slightly spread out projectiles toward the cursor

[rancid sluice]

youve got skills that only fire a single shot though

[frigid wedge]

it means u shoot ur projectile 1 after the other, so all of them can hit 1 target, but u do the animation to shoot multiple times and the more projectiles u have the slower each shot in the sequence is

[fickle glen]

I am using explosive arrow

[frigid wedge]

bc i cant draw with my fingers, esp while holding my phone

then deal with the cone

[whole bluff]

EA usually does totems + rain of splinters afaik? If it still exists

[fickle glen]

The explosive arrows do hella damage, I wonder if tornado shot does more tho

[whole bluff]

EA is mostly dmg from the skill itself. Most bow skills use the weapons dmg more. TS was heavily nerfed recently, and was always very gear dependant, so now it's almost good at insane gear lvl

[fickle glen]

I see ty for the feedback

[rancid sluice]

still probably one of the top tier mfers if youre into that, a lot of ts on ninja still

[tight plinth]

has the shaper of flames enemies phys damage converted to fire been fixed?

i remember there was some discussion about it early league

[whole bluff]

I guess shooting out a high number of novas that shoot projectiles in all directions everywhere will always be good if you manage to get the dmg

[rancid sluice]

its funny to watch the league go on and the huge influx of ts and wanders for mf show up heh. the ninja board totally changes

[frigid wedge]

yes

[worldly bridge]

Ts is like rf

Its eternal

[frigid wedge]

yeah bc ppl like the playstyle

and bows dont usually run chain but its very effective

for clearing

[tight plinth]

cool thanks

[whole bluff]

RF is just comfy though. Spark is the same in firing projectiles that when you get enough of them (on TS) or duration, cast speed and projectile speed on spark, the coverage and dmg just goes ever up and the skill is broken good

[dapper fractal]

is anyone here experienced with phys bow crafting?

[rancid sluice]

that reminds me i need to add poison spark to my list

[tight plinth]

theres a bajillion guides on how to craft one on youtubes

[ebon tendon]

is there a synergy between herald of ash and having phys explode in a build

[frigid wedge]

get arrow fracture, roll contempt essence till high roll accuracy hybrid mod, prefix lock, veiled chaos, unveil 120% inc phys, prefix lock and reforge speed/crit

[dapper fractal]

can u see my chat on crafting advice

[tight plinth]

i think the explode can chain the hoa overkill

[dapper fractal]

pls, this is rlly a painful craft for me

[worldly bridge]

Ggg trying to kill spark over and over is like trying to kill a cockroach with increasingly more and more serious extermination methods

[frigid wedge]

herald of ash gives phys as extra to ur explode, and overkill dmg from the explosion will work w ash thing

[tight plinth]

oh i completely forgot about the phys as extra

[frigid wedge]

the primary benefit of hoa with explode is that if ur chance to explode does not go off, the overkill will still clear a lot of mobs until explode triggers

it kinda....

it fills in the gaps

[whole bluff]

HoA is guaranteed which is nice for that yeah

[ocean field]

gng is there anyway to make currency in standard?

[normal hedge]

harvest

[ocean field]

thanks

[normal hedge]

gruelling ultimatum

[ebon tendon]

crafting sorta works still

[ocean field]

ultimatum is gamba tho

harvest is prolly what I am gonna do

btw

crop rota with imbuned

or just normal harvest

?

[normal hedge]

harvest rush crop rota non awakening

[ocean field]

what scarabs for it?

[real ether]

Anyone on ps want to help with baran fight?

[rancid sluice]

is awakened multistrike that bonkers where it commands 100d or is it just that everyone uses it

[normal hedge]

doubling, 4x sac frag, dunes 8mods, enter map -> find harvest -> finish it -> leave map

[frigid wedge]

its rare and very big for dps on strikes

bc its another repeat and gets extra dmg per repeat

[normal hedge]

its like 10% ish more dmg, its a really good upgrade after certain point when every upgrade is a mirror or something

[rancid sluice]

yeah ill be using it for minions so i think itll be the last thing i do, theres quite a bit more i can upgrade with a 100d still

[tranquil sedge]

just put it in pob

easy to find out how many %dps upgade it is

[dapper fractal]

thanks @frigid wedge for ur help, Im gonna replace that with a mirror tier bow when I can anyways

goated

[frigid wedge]

np

thank bido too tho

he contributed

[tranquil sedge]

its also less mana cost per second as a result of the extra repeat

its so nice as a secondary effect

[frigid wedge]

iirc it also synergises extremely well with fatal flourish

[tranquil sedge]

like i prioritized woke multi on my msoz over other more important upgrades (after i had a functioning build ofc*) just for that one effect

[tranquil sedge]

isn't that one in the mirrors range tho

i thought that was a giga expensive f/f

[frigid wedge]

both are giga expensive most leagues

[tranquil sedge]

woke multi is 50-200d tops

[frigid wedge]

this league has been super unconventional bc not much content makes u wanna play strikes

so the price is way less

than most leagues

[tranquil sedge]

both are pricey yh but i think f/f is like entirely different kinda expensive than woke multi

also costs 2 jewel slots so have to plan builds a little better

[frigid wedge]

yeah but they work together well

[gloomy charm]

What’s a good way to level a marauder? I don’t play them much

[tranquil sedge]

first character of the league

or is it second+?

[gloomy charm]

Second

[tranquil sedge]

hollow palm twink levelling is my go-to for any class

[frigid wedge]

kf poets pen this league is the fastest option

[rancid sluice]

yeah just looked up that ff set cause i was curious lol. its like 100d-ish for one and 80d for another? wow

[tranquil sedge]

thats really cheap, what sans said right then ig for this league

[pseudo axle]

You know what would be a funny league/void league idea? Limitless, where you can level your passive tree forever.

[frigid wedge]

yeah slayer strikes atm isnt popular

[pseudo axle]

also man tfw you drop two voidborn relic keys, open them, and get 0c uniques xd

[rancid sluice]

pretty nasty ability i can see why its hot when slayer is

[normal hedge]

dunno if marauder is good for kf since its kinda far from middle part

[elfin shale]

2 months into the league the first person hits level 101

[tranquil sedge]

replica karui ward (lvl 5) -> astramentis (lvl 20)

tablua -> briskwrap (lvl 32)

string of servitude -> mageblood (lvl 42), prepare 2 sets of flasks pre-mageblood and post-mageblood

2x iron ring -> le heup of all (lvl 24) + call of the void (lvl 16)

seven league step, goldrim

---
start:
caustic arrow + chance to poison + pierce + mirage archer + volley + momentum

level 12:
smite + ruthless (-> trinity) + faster attacks + maim (-> melee phys damage) + added fire damage (-> elemental damage with attacks) + ancestral call

(the arrows -> indicate gem swaps when you reach the required character level to equip them)

auras:
herald of ice + purity of elements

pathing:
rush to nearest large cluster node and start running hollow palm asap, after that just make ur way southeast, rush to precise technique, on the way get some leech, some life, stack dex and accuracy clusters, elemental damage clusters, and try to hit the cold convert cluster southeast for some cold conversion and freeze pops from herald of ice, after that its just damage and accuracy and dex and ele damage its really fucking generous honestly you can wing it

[tranquil sedge]

here's my notes on hollow palm ^

[normal hedge]

well just need lv 14, should be enough

[gloomy charm]

Ty

[tranquil sedge]

lemme get u a passive tree too

if i can, 1 sec

[pseudo axle]

well I was thinking you could do it in a few ways; for instance, tattoo-like items that allocate passive skills with a drawback to them, and your overlevel-limit is equal to your current level or something. So you can have 70 extra passives allocated at level 70 or something

alternatively, a void league where everyone gets a remove only tab of 5,000 of each tattoo would be funny

[tranquil sedge]

i hope the scribbling makes sense

that was for a duelist u just start at marauder it makes honestly fuckall difference just takes u extra few levels to path that direction, does not matter at all

u just go to the southwest large cluster ASAP first then after that just go right to the southeast

u just take the bare minimum life to survive, i think i was at like 2k or something in act 10, you do more than enough damage that it barely matters, just stack dex, ensure accuracy rating more than life value (for PT) and yolo

@gloomy charm

[tranquil sedge]

that sounds fun ngl

but xp curve/scaling would need to be adjusted

as it is right now with xp penalty you'll barely get anywhere, that penalty will have to be capped on the lower bound

[pseudo axle]

yeah, there are a few different ways you could do it

not just strictly like, level up past 100

[tranquil sedge]

i actually like the idea lol

of just yeet the level cap and cap the xp penalty to a certain amount

and tell everyone go nuts

see how far steve or whatever 20h-a-day streamer makes it

5-way runners would be making bank

nvm not in a void league maybe even then to buy new gear idk

harby, beyond, abyss/alva if they get unnerfed would probably dominate scarab mapping strats

[normal hedge]

1p voices would be expensive af

lol

[tawny garnet]

whats the purpose of omen of connections when 1500 fusings is cheaper?

[elfin shale]

Do you satisfy stuff like "when you crit" with traps

[lean urchin]

you dont crit, your traps do

[elfin shale]

Fuuuuuuuuuuck

Friendship ended with Death's Hand, Iron Mass is my new best friend

[split maple]

there is one achiviement that needs you to use fusing to link - bench dont work for it, omen does. but usually that dont matter and price is close

lateleague pricing quirks happen

[elfin shale]

Or is there a less wretched way to get Unholy Might with traps

[split maple]

kinda satisfying

[frigid wedge]

what u running tgere

[split maple]

that sebk thingie

[river wolf]

Siemanko czy jest jakiś Polak który ogarnia i mógłby mi pomóc v

?

[split maple]

just i settled on 110% scarb rolls into exalting since thats already eating chaos like crazy

oh that valdo actually is nice

[rancid sluice]

pfft 5 king runs 2 prismatics both hit decent ill take those odds

[frigid wedge]

ah

[tranquil sedge]

To głównie serwer anglojęzyczny, a także zły kanał, użyj #1┃looking-for-group

Użyłem Tłumacza Google, aby to napisać.

https://tenor.com/view/hackerman-gif-22344136

-# how i feel after using google translate

[frigid wedge]

i feel like we just send ppl to lfg to make them go away

no one ever actually helpd

[tranquil sedge]

not wrong tbh

[frigid wedge]

ur better off sitting in help room 1 in vc

[tranquil sedge]

i suppose that's true too

[rancid sluice]

id really like to keep this chaos res prismatic that dropped but theres like no way i can fit it in. sadness. id probably be capped then

[split maple]

nice valdo indeed

[tight plinth]

do we know if grafts and foulborn are going core?

[sleek barn]

no

dunno

[tranquil sedge]

my guess would be foulborn maybe, grafts definitely not

[shrewd fiber]

does anyone know if theres a global channel for phox's league?

[split maple]

maybe breach foulborn will stay

tho ammy needs to be nerfed

idt all of them will be staying

[elfin shale]

If Foulborns dont go core i will cry for 2 billion years

I doubt grafts are going core but their skills might

[marsh aspen]

Are there any dex/int stacking builds out there ? Just hit tier 1 both with shitton of ES

[elfin shale]

Hand of Wisdom And Action/Thought and Motion

[fickle glen]

Explosive arrows look so cool with barrage lol

Riddle an enemy with those explosive arrows and watch them pop like a balloon

[midnight marlin]

anyone know how to remove these room tiles?

my temple sucks

[split maple]

room tiles?

[stuck phoenix]

[midnight marlin]

I just wanna re-do my whole mapping

[split maple]

so run alva until you finish incursion, throw away the temple and gg?

[stuck phoenix]

True true

Totally what he wanted to hear

[midnight marlin]

I just wanna re-do it

[split maple]

idk is that console menu for temple? mine looks way different

kinda more compact

[midnight marlin]

yeah

[stuck phoenix]

Xddd

[midnight marlin]

its the console

[stuck phoenix]

You're not good at this

@midnight marlin @stuck phoenix

[midnight marlin]

or should I just fully send it? and then ill be able to make a new one after I get to the end?

[stuck phoenix]

Ok this guy is bad at reading hints

[stuck phoenix]

Wrong channel

[split maple]

I like this when will they realize game more than I like Poe ngl

[stuck phoenix]

That makes no sense

[midnight marlin]

can I dm you?

[stuck phoenix]

Amazing

[split maple]

you are in poe1 Channel dude

[midnight marlin]

LMFAO

haha

lololol

[rancid sluice]

5 stack of seven years lol ritual has been paying out today

[frigid wedge]

now that i actually logged on i genuinely struggling to convince myself to go play the pohx event

[stuck phoenix]

Don't

Ez

[frigid wedge]

ig so

the build has too many unresolved parts i think

why

why did it hit this

i hate you

its t1 int t1 cold

theres t1 % str t1 life recovery

[strong totem]

Chaos archmage. Great build idea. Thanks for your opinions

[dusky void]

you can still double hit with arc of oscilating and hydrosphere or?

[pseudo axle]

ohhhh damn choir of the storm is $$$$$$ with the mana mod

[solar smelt]

If my defense are skewing towards a hybrid of armor and evasion what amount of each should I aim for to be not super squishy?

[frigid wedge]

nope

nope

nope

nope

thats a settle

im done

fuck this

done

idc about t1 res it can fuck off

t5 pdr

idc

[stuck phoenix]

Lol

It looks good

[frigid wedge]

ive put 400 divines into this and 310 of them were spent on prefixes cannot be changed

[stuck phoenix]

Dam

[frigid wedge]

im done

i cant

[rancid tendon]

what in you guys' opinion is the most fun spell

[stuck phoenix]

define fun

tempted to say storm burst, but it gets old relatively fast

and might not be the most exciting

[frigid wedge]

reap is fun visually

but not mechanically

[stuck phoenix]

DI is fun visual

but gets old fast

[frigid wedge]

exsang is fun mechanically but not visually

we need the right sort of fun

[rancid tendon]

visually

[stuck phoenix]

ok DI

[frigid wedge]

how much aoe do you wanna scale

[stuck phoenix]

nothing beats Divine Ire

[rancid tendon]

also something that doesnt require aoe

[frigid wedge]

oh u ruined it

aoe is the fun part

of visual spells

[stuck phoenix]

what's aou

area of unfun?

[frigid wedge]

asks to play spell that looks cool

refuses to scale aoe

where cool

[pulsar dune]

soulrend of the spiral looks pretty fun with cat mtx

[stuck phoenix]

tbh you don't really need to scale aoe for DI

[pulsar dune]

spark with spiders is also pretty joyful

[stuck phoenix]

also there is spark for cool visual no aoe

[frigid wedge]

i didnt quite register that every blue gem in the game mentions spells

[elfin shale]

Stormbind

[frigid wedge]

aoe?

[elfin shale]

Doesnt need to be scaled

[frigid wedge]

oh

[elfin shale]

I mean you might if you wanna go for 21 overlaps

[frigid wedge]

crackling lance looks cool

esp with mines

[pulsar dune]

IG it is just KBoF for blue attacks that don't scale with spell damage

[rancid tendon]

also it doesnt need to be that impressive visually aslong as the clear itself looks satisfiynk

[pulsar dune]

vaal arc is very satisfying

you need a strong enough pc to handle a lot of enemies on the screen at once tho, since arc is too zDPS to maintain a clear screen (which is a big part of why vaal arc is so satisfying)

[frigid wedge]

so to clarify, u want a fun spell that clears well

[rancid tendon]

yea

[frigid wedge]

but the spell being fun is optional

go play exsang mines

goodbye

lmao

8 screens vanish at the sight of 1 exsang mine

hell it doesnt even need mines

[pulsar dune]

selfcast exsang feels a bit eh, since the cast time is very long

but you can trigger it some other way

[stuck phoenix]

there's a joke here about in poe you need to define fun

but I already asked them to define fun earlier

[stuck phoenix]

[frigid wedge]

i tried to show off exsang but without mines the targeting range is eh and my build has too much aoe to not blow shit up before i can exsang

[rancid tendon]

anything that clears well and makes me have no idea what is going on

thats fun

[thick goblet]

maybe vd spellslinger

[dusky void]

should i play eblade ball lighting of orbiting selfcast or mine? playing phox league trying out spell echo and charged mines cant tell which is cooler

[frigid wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkhSNf91gM

[pulsar dune]

do EoW brand recaller

[frigid wedge]

spark brand recall tho

[pulsar dune]

if you don't crash your game it does kinda rule

[frigid wedge]

spark recaller fixes the main 2 issues i see in arcanist brander builds

[rancid sluice]

exsang mines with that transcendence mtx is pretty wild

[frigid wedge]

it has consistent dps even when ur on cooldown and u get duration scaling

so brand lasts

[pulsar dune]

eow has half of that, and I'd expect it still ends up with more dps overall tbh

but yea, spark is solid

[frigid wedge]

probably

but also visually spark is way cooler

u spawn waves of sparks

that cascade away from u

[pulsar dune]

true true

[frigid wedge]

i forgot about my browser extension icl

[rancid tendon]

also btw one thing i just want a spell not a build guide bc i want to make a specific build and havent decided on a spell to use yet

[tight plinth]

you have a specific damage type in mind?

[rancid tendon]

not dot

nothing else matters

but prefferably lightning

not a necessity tho

[tight plinth]

storm call with awakened spell cascade

with giga aoe

[rancid tendon]

well

[tight plinth]

ah mb, didnt see that part

[frigid wedge]

why do you dislike aoe

what is wrong w u

xD

[pulsar dune]

honestly just go to blood aquaduct and try every spell one by one

[tight plinth]

well anything with explode i suppose would be satisfying clear

[frigid wedge]

aoe

[tight plinth]

no area damage whatsoever? or just not scaling aoe

[rancid tendon]

just dont wanna scale area of effect

area damage is fine

[worldly wind]

storm burst totems

[rancid tendon]

is there a point in playing totems without hierophant

[pulsar dune]

not spell totems

except like... flamewood

[frigid wedge]

ballistas yes

other totems no

prob

[pulsar dune]

idk if I'd put melee totems on hiero either, but it's kinda defensible.

[hard cliff]

I didn't know melee totems were still in the game

thought they removed that with the melee rework where you use auto war cry now

[frigid wedge]

can i chisel the shit from eagon?

bci spent like 100c tryna roll 100 quant on this and only got to 90

and in map its givine me 147

[split maple]

yes

[frigid wedge]

oml

im dumb

[split maple]

to be safe without altars you kinda need 105% or smh like that

[frigid wedge]

thought it was like invitations

[split maple]

after chisel tho 😄

[frigid wedge]

i swear im intelligent

im just very good at hiding it

[elfin shale]

Exarch drops a set of boots with the slam totem support

[frigid wedge]

I FORGOT TO USE A RISK SCARAB

[whole bluff]

Templar with some melee stuff is kinda lacking as a concept imo

Where's all the (un)holy attacks and warcries

[gritty garnet]

frozen legion lol

[whole bluff]

I guess there are some direct ones too. Smite and consc path. They're just not good on templar though

LFG guardian captain america rework

They could make energy blade an entire skill archetype. Just eblade as the most extreme version cuz it actually completely replaces your weapon

[pseudo axle]

wooooow I have a bugged betrayal safehouse, vagan isn't dying :/

[whole bluff]

He just wanted to bend your ear

[pseudo axle]

oh he has some dumb bug where he can't die unless he does a flip attack animation or something

lmfao

[frigid wedge]

why is bismuth so poorly optimised

jfc

istg its asbestos ore

kills the pc

kills the game

300 tiny fibres

per square inch

like ?????

[pseudo axle]

betrayal is such a weird concept of a mechanic

when it was originally pitched, I thought that the entire point was to rotate between members of the syndicate as the Mastermind, trying to uncover who actually started everything. Instead of the Mastermind always being Catarina.

[grizzled lily]

tujen my goat

[sleek barn]

mmm

alterations

[grizzled lily]

exactly

[outer mist]

do damage increases to quarterstaves count when you're using hollow palm or no?

lol wrong chat

[worldly bridge]

Is tujeb or harby better for alts

Also side note, im at 15% towards 100 im so excited to get my first level 100 character

4% max life node incoming

Big value

[frigid wedge]

meanwhile me in tujen

[grizzled lily]

why take them tho

wasting the tujan juice

IMO

[frigid wedge]

bc i dont run expedition much

plus its not too hard to get

[grizzled lily]

if u do expedition right

u get those gems for free

anyways

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[grizzled lily]

wtf big

[frigid wedge]

i was just doing it for smth to click tbh

[glacial shadow]

is there a discord or channel somewhere thats mostly for hideouts

[pulsar dune]

<@&174997701513969665>

[frigid wedge]

you know game is shit when the market looks like thi

[fathom meadow]

anyone know good bot?

[frigid wedge]

for what

[stuck phoenix]

What

[normal hedge]

susge

[fathom meadow]

oh, sorry, i new player. I mean lootfilter

[frigid wedge]

https://filterblade.xyz

[fathom meadow]

thanks

[frigid wedge]

np

[stuck phoenix]

Nice save xddd

[normal hedge]

bot is pretty different of lootfilter

[stuck phoenix]

Lemme do a stretch of logic for him

Bot is thing that does things automatically for you

Lootfilter automatically filters loot

Logic

Lootfilter is a bot

[worldly bridge]

filter bot

[normal hedge]

loot bot

[frigid wedge]

bot bot

[normal hedge]

loot loot

[brazen vector]

boot boot

[tight plinth]

and my axe

[grizzled lily]

theres a website

hideoutshowcase

[whole bluff]

yay

[thick goblet]

blot blot

[whole bluff]

took 6k juice

I just needed the one mod, big mana and a tiny fire dmg suffix is just bonus, I think

might need some suffix idk

but I think this is prolly good

[shrewd rock]

dont worry it'll keep getting worse keke

it's basically in life support mode rn

since all the good devs have already moved over to poo2

[blissful zodiac]

@stuck phoenix oh

shit

ur a mod now

https://tenor.com/view/vignesh123-vigneshfisrtgif-yoda123-yodamars-gif-13055175463724769097

[frigid wedge]

why

[stuck phoenix]

xdddd

[lean owl]

when did the wipe happpen

[stuck phoenix]

there's no wipes

but last league ended uh

!leagues

[covert swan]

In Path of Exile 1, temporary leagues typically last 4 months, contain a unique new mechanic and do not allow players access to their existing characters and items. Most players play the temporary leagues.

Standard is the permanent league and has been running since Path of Exile 1's launch. There are many more items in the economy, deflating their value. The population is lower than the temporary leagues. If you can only play a small amount of time per week and want to go very far in the game, this can be a good game mode.

If you are a new player, it is strongly recommended to play in the current temporary league.

For details on what happens when a temporary league ends, see https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2091028

The current league started:
PC - <t:1749844800:R> on <t:1749844800:F>
Console - <t:1749844800:R> on <t:1749844800:F> (bugs delayed this start time)

This information was last updated on 14th June 2025. The above should show in your local time if you have the right timezone set with your discord account.

[stuck phoenix]

someone forgot to update that

[odd fox]

Does this lucky chest rule apply when you use blightheart scarab?

[stuck phoenix]

2025-10-27 9:00:00 PM

[split maple]

yea, but you need just one

since there is just one chest

[odd fox]

so only that one node

[split maple]

yea, ignore rest of that wheel

[odd fox]

got it

[worldly wind]

when you kill kitava in act 10 there should be a huge explosion of light

[signal hawk]

I mean you are destroying evil and bringing light into the world

relatively

[sage falcon]

he's not evil he's just hungy

[signal hawk]

no snickers in wreaclast

[silent leaf]

Lorewise yea

Lmao he got fucking slapped around

[brazen vector]

Killing kitava was only the beginning either way

[silent leaf]

For being hungry

[whole bluff]

Dead as a doornail

Uhm, scrolled or something. I thought botlike just replied to that

Dis*

Man, it's giga ez getting max shock effect on elementalist now

Hoping full foulborn bereks mods in combination with full non-foulborn will just evaporate the screen

Shock chain, ignite chain, shock explode, ignite explode

As long as it actually works and doesn't disable each other

Plus autoshock and autoignite

[worldly bridge]

Is that foulborn praxis

Also quite a gross wand

I wish i had a main hand likethat for rf

But nebulis so good

[whole bluff]

Foulborn timetwist for some beacon of madness thing

[whole bluff]

So easy to make

[worldly bridge]

Did you just roll juice mods

Until satisfied

[whole bluff]

Yup

I figured golem stacking shouldn't care too much about increased dmg on the wand, and gem lvl mods don't work on impending doom, so all I want is fire dot multi?

Maybe crit chance and/or cast speed to refresh ignite though. Idk

I didn't get to try it cuz I needed to catch my bus

But it should be sorta complete

For lvl 75 and just lvling at least. Nowhere near actually good for endgame

Ran out of gold too though, so that's annoying

[worldly bridge]

As someone with much less knowledge this all sounds solid

Golem-mancer bereks ignite explod

[sinful cove]

Just got in discord….. who wants to argue today?

[worldly bridge]

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-котенок-на-троне-котенок-повилетель-миров-котенок-самый-крутой-gif-13127050884940868003

[lean urchin]

looks like a minifig

[worldly bridge]

This is diablo

[whole bluff]

Knowledge I have a bunch. Decision making skills. Uhm, about that 😅

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[whole bluff]

Cats are awesome

[silent leaf]

frfr

[spice pecan]

so it seems like for bleed bow, i specifically need a phys bow on an extremely slow base type with high base damage

which makes my 400 pdps bow better than some of the 650+ pdps bows on trade in pob

[whole bluff]

You rarely actually try to make it extra slow, but you do want max dmg

[spice pecan]

yeah, and citadel bow seems to have the highest top end

[whole bluff]

Also big dmg range is usually good on bleed

[spice pecan]

yeah, fishing for snipe is real annoying with how long it takes to get to max stages tho i will say that

[whole bluff]

Ah, yeah that's partly why you want some speed

Other part being it just feels better in general

Usually

[spice pecan]

yeah for sure

[whole bluff]

Non-crit I assume?

[spice pecan]

maybe i get rid of my dex craft and go 30 dex passive and craft attack speed on the one I have

RT yeah

[whole bluff]

What ascendancy?

For an RT bleed with no shield, back when I did that I'd say chieftain or slayer seemed best

[spice pecan]

playing glad atm, though I think when I do uber lab i'll respec slayer maybe

[whole bluff]

Slayer is nice

[spice pecan]

i don't want to do the farrul bloodline with the spectre

but glad having aggravated bleed is really nice too

[whole bluff]

Or champion cuz bows don't get fortify

[whole bluff]

Just forbidden it if you want a more comfy playstyle

[spice pecan]

yeah, the one thing that's keeping me from instantly going slayer + hemophilia gloves is that the herald of purity minions tend to stop the mobs from moving

[whole bluff]

That's what I did on slayer

[spice pecan]

which would stop aggravated bleed

but idk how much of an issue that is, i'll see which F/F jewels come up on the PL market

jagged technique theoretically could be dirt cheap

but atm none of those jewels exist, I did buy an olesya's super early on tho so with a few more levels, i could go frenzy/affliction stack slayer

[elfin shale]

Just wear wraithlord 5head

[whole bluff]

I think usually, you make aggravated happen with cheaper options than your entire ascendancy or forbiddens. But it's less automatic

[spice pecan]

but ofc jaytx's pob gear still has 3.25 ralakesh

[whole bluff]

I felt like the simplicity allowed me to focus my play on other stuff though

[whole bluff]

Ah, rip yeah

Slayer is not what it was when I made mine

[spice pecan]

yeah, the pob is kind of half baked in terms of what's updated, what isn't, and what's actually described so i think glad is maybe easier rn

gotta say tho, bleed bow giga comfy in campaign that's for sure

[whole bluff]

idk what I'd actually do on bleed atm

prolly champion tbh, it looks quite solid and you dont need to pick the adrenaline node that should be redesigned

[hard cliff]

How is pohx league going ?

[lean urchin]

phocking phantastic

(i dont play it)

[opal ingot]

it's pohfect

(i also didn't play it)

[whole bluff]

pohnomenal

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pohxceptional (not playing it)

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(I also dont play it anymore)

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What options are there for getting unholy might as a trap build

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I'm on ladder though

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Is it like, staff mastery, flask, iron mass?

[whole bluff]

I would try to balbala permaflask, but idk

is it for wither or chaos conversion?

[elfin shale]

yeagh

both

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ah

[elfin shale]

Mainly the latter

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hmm

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Foulborn Death's Hand was perfect but i forgor proxy

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what is it for?

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@elfin shale

stop going traps

it's a trap

[elfin shale]

Will of The Lords

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https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Will_of_the_Lords

What's the idea ?

[proud gorge]

funny trap skill

[elfin shale]

funny trap skill

https://pobb.in/juGfbchBVlX9

All curses from Ylfeban's is cope and obv Death's Hand doesnt work but the damage is pretty good

[proud gorge]

the main benefit of Will of the Lords as far as I can tell is that it's really cheap to scale early

very high damage, easy scaling sources

plus it's a trap skill, those are always strong

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Why are the Searing Exarch and Eater of Worlds classified as eldritch beings by a lot of people/the wiki, aren't they like, more similar to the Shaper? Afaik the eldritch "gods" don't fight directly, they get mortals to fight for them, which means Searing Exarch and Eater are mortals, not real eldritch beings

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Yflebeens seems like cope

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The Searing Exarch and The Eater of Worlds are literal eldritch beings, it's just that when you fight them in their pinnacle boss form you're fighting their avatar within the atlas, similar to when you fight Maven in her pinnacle form.

[elfin shale]

1 or 2 Ylfeban's is real on single target

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I thought they were just followers of The Cleansing Fire and The Tangle?

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The pinnacle boss fight against Eater/Exarch is to excise their power from the Atlas, so canonically the Exile fights their influence over the Atlas in order to let the Maven gain full control

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which are the true eldritch beings

[stuck phoenix]

I thought they were just eldritch beings but had someone above them in the food chain

As a side note, the infinite hunger

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I don't think eldritch beings in the lore are "mortals"

[proud gorge]

those aren't eldritch beings, those are "cosmic forces"

[stuck phoenix]

True

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which is above the eldritch beings

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Ah

[proud gorge]

and quite frankly it's entirely unclear if those cosmic forces actually have wills of their own, or if it's a "will of the cosmos" type situation

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I can't remember where it's said that they have mortals fight for them, do you know?

I read it somewhat recently lol

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the various eldritch beings have "champions"

which iirc are the sub-bosses for the Exarch and Eater

[gilded hull]

Ohhh

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meanwhile you're Maven's champion

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I thought that's what Exarch and Eater were

are the champions

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I'm not the most well versed on the eldritch being lore myself

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Yeah it just says "The Eater of Worlds serves the Tangle"

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ah, here's the quote

In the Struggle, by which forces as tremendous as the Tangle and the Cleansing Fire cannot and do not clash directly, lest they 'rend the very cosmos asunder', conflicts are instead settled through duels between mortal champions. These can safely do battle without rupturing reality.

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Yes

So yeah the champions would be exarch and eater

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yeah

and I guess by extension their sub-bosses

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Strange that they are mortal

Aren't elder and maven immortal?

[spice pecan]

bruh

the PL has been nicer to me than the entirety of keepers

random ventors i ID'd off the floor

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it's, quite frankly, unclear what Maven is. She seems to be something on the tier of Eater and Exarch, but at the same time she chooses a champion like the cosmic forces, but very clearly seems able to fight.

[elfin shale]

The Tangle seems to be driven by the many many beings it's made of, the Cleansing Fire is less clear but the way Envoy and uniques talk about it definitely implies it searches for knowledge actively

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"The Envoy clarifies that The Maven is not The Elder but both are related in some way. "

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Isnt it that she WOULD be on the level of the Tangle and Cleansing Fire, if it werent for her being a child

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Maven seems to be either an independently acting "eldritch" tier being, or else an extremely small "cosmic" tier being

[gilded hull]

Just when I hear eldritch being I don't think mortal

And yeah afaik (i know little) maven and elder are immortal

I mean we trapped the elder in the atlas because it's impossible to kill right?

[proud gorge]

We don't know that, and in fact the only hard info we get on what Maven is is Kirac saying she's a "young eldritch entity"

[elfin shale]

Actually a great analogy is that Eater and Exarch are Cthulhu while the Tangle and Cleansing Fire are the Great Old Ones

You certainly think Cthulhu when people say Eldritch but he's just a priest

[proud gorge]

the issue, I think, is that the lore seems to sometimes use the term "eldritch being" to refer alternatively to both the Eater and Exarch tier beings and also the cosmic forces

[gilded hull]

yeah idk I also thought at one point that exarch and eater were humans

much like Shaper

[proud gorge]

so yeah, entirely possible that this is the case, that it's all eldritch beings, it's just different levels of power

and when they say the "cosmic forces" choose champions, it's not some sort of thing inherent to their "class", but rather just that any being above a certain level of power where fighting would cause cosmic consequences has to pick an entity at a sufficiently low level of power to represent them

one that won't destroy the universe if they fight

[elfin shale]

Are we sure the Exile cant destroy the universe

We can certainly crash the servers

[gilded hull]

Yeah it's just the mortal bit that throws me off especially since it's said in the lore that the exarch predates innocence

[proud gorge]

well, the point is that the exile is capable of fighting without destroying the universe

which apparently the "cosmic forces" are not

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Despite originating outside of Wraeclast, the Searing Exarch prominently display a symbol very similar to the Descry, a symbol associated with Innocence. The various unique item flavor texts from the Searing Exarch and the Forbidden Sanctum suggests it is the true origin of the symbol

So it's an ancient mortal eldritch being lol

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LORE DISCUSSION LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[gilded hull]

But still completely different from Elder and Maven which seems immortal

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https://tenor.com/view/sono-bisque-doll-wa-koi-wo-suru-royalmale-anime-my-dress-up-darling-jump-gif-25253656

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I mean, the term "mortal" in this case seems to just refer to their capacity to possibly die

[gilded hull]

Yeah

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not that they're not infinitely long lived, because they probably are

[stuck phoenix]

Ya

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damn that's discusigusting

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I don't think there's any evidence that Maven is truly immortal

just, like, well above anything we can possibly bring to bear

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What happens to your poe 1 exile in poe 2

I know it's not actually canon

but still interested

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funnily enough, we have a non-lore in-game monstery category for "Eldritch"

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makes sense

[fringe condor]

i got perfect forest tiger
should i get higher flat physical abyss?

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Zana casually creating eldritch entities with her memories

[proud gorge]

and the list of enemies with the "Eldritch" tag does include all the eldritch horrors as expected, but also the Elder, Maven, Uber Elder (probably due to Elder's inclusion), and the Elder Guardians and incarnations yeah

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Im having a terrible time rn

[proud gorge]

specifically just the Elder guardians though