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[tranquil sedge]

unless they can get more than 8% w/ that 1 point ig

[opaque sphinx]

personally i would just ditch the boots for shock avoid eldritch ones

[frigid wedge]

they generally get far more value for that point

[frigid wedge]

i didnt say i want to fix the ailment problem

[proud gorge]

Alira is like having Diamond Skin as a free extra annoit. It's not what I would call an amazing annoit, but for some builds it's well worth the point

[cobalt blade]

unblessed and unqualitied hh is crazy

[opaque sphinx]

fair

[split maple]

Slap around a mirr or so for abyss socket double elevated booties

[tranquil sedge]

alira is also my default choice rn for leaguestart lol

[frigid wedge]

its corrupted and has speed qual

[tranquil sedge]

+15% allres on a new character makes things so much easier

[ocean field]

Gng what does this mean

[frigid wedge]

ok my normal one is

i was doing essence

[cobalt blade]

ah ok

[tranquil sedge]

means u get hit then u lose another 23% over time

[cobalt blade]

fair enough then

[cobalt blade]

Kills you with ci

[ocean field]

what if I am ci no effect?

[frigid wedge]

this is just how my build looks for single target dps

[proud gorge]

there's at least one build I've played in the past that solved its res by equipping three elemental res Grand Spectrums, plus Purity of Elements

[opaque sphinx]

means u extra die

[proud gorge]

because it had absolutely zero room for res anywhere else

[frigid wedge]

i do not like how my build looks for single target

it upsets me

there is no big boom

[ocean field]

oh damm

[frigid wedge]

only above average boom

[ocean field]

I thought CI rounded shit

[cobalt blade]

You take 100 damage -23% of that is recouped you die because 1 life

[frigid wedge]

if life is lost in any way ci will die

only exception is % loss

[ocean field]

oh ok ok

[brazen vector]

Always rounds up if its against the player

[proud gorge]

also, here's a fun fact, you can have decimal life values, which you can observe by taking percent life degen on CI

[frigid wedge]

low life ci

[cobalt blade]

funner fact you can show as 0 life on the bar and still be alive with decimal life lol

(unless they fixed that)

[proud gorge]

unfortunately low life requires that your whole number health be below half your whole number health

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

thats funny

[proud gorge]

so no CI Low Life

[cobalt blade]

they should reintroduce the bug for ci lowlife and full life

[pulsar dune]

I wonder if anyone is using the low life belt with CI

[frigid wedge]

probably

[brazen vector]

Sorry but we want ci nerfed, not buffed here

[cobalt blade]

):

[frigid wedge]

someone tryna minmax pure dps numbers on pbrand probably is

[cobalt blade]

es clearly needs the buff though totally not 100x better than life

[frigid wedge]

u get to go eblade pb with pain attunement

[pulsar dune]

oh yea, it's pretty common

[cobalt blade]

I think belt slot with a string is more damage than pain attune for that

[frigid wedge]

maybe

[cobalt blade]

45% inc str/int

Or w/e string was 45% mightve been aura effect lol

[frigid wedge]

60 zealotry effect tho

[cobalt blade]

I think the str/int would be better

shapers touch be a glove slot of all time

[frigid wedge]

for pbrand i doubt it

[cobalt blade]

but eblade

[frigid wedge]

still doubt it

for dps

zealotry is more spell dmg

[proud gorge]

You know what I want them to rework though? Vaal Side Areas

[pulsar dune]

TRUE

[cobalt blade]

yes and es is more base damage and you'd prob already have aura effect on tree

[tranquil sedge]

tru

[frigid wedge]

no like its a more multiplier for spell dmg

[cobalt blade]

Theyll make chancing them forced lol

[proud gorge]

I don't think there's anyone whose favourite piece of content is vaal side areas, they're just sort of a thing that exists to give you vaal gems and sac/mortal frags sometimes

[pulsar dune]

I do like them in theory

but golly gee are they not worth the time

[proud gorge]

pretty much any change they could make to Vaal Side Areas would probably be positive

[tranquil sedge]

they're just sort of a thing that exists to give you vaal gems and sac/mortal frags sometimes 99.9% of people ignore

yea they could do with some love

[pulsar dune]

I've done the chance vaal things

[tranquil sedge]

not breach kinda love
proper love love

[pulsar dune]

got like two unique areas

[tranquil sedge]

hasn't that never been worth it tho

just a 4fun thing to do if u like to do it?

[pulsar dune]

across like 200 maps

[cobalt blade]

Yes i know but im just pretty sure the aura effect would scale worse than int/str

[frigid wedge]

its like 18% tho

idk man

[cobalt blade]

It was kinda worth it for a bit in a duo if you scour chanced but it was awful lol

[frigid wedge]

im going for a while

[cobalt blade]

(back when adorned was 150%)

[proud gorge]

Hmm, here's my idea for a Vaal Side Area rework. Occasionally, you'll find a mysterious portal in a zone. Entering said portal will take you to a mirror of your current map, with all the same mods and enchantments and effects, but generated much smaller and with whatever mods are above the portal added to the mods while inside the Vaal map.

So you could theoretically end up with a 16 mod Vaal zone

[tranquil sedge]

scourge :pausechamp:

scourge rework!

[cobalt blade]

Your idea similar to twist of fate keystone

[proud gorge]

then add a sort of Vaal Portal scroll or something, a currency you can get in these zones, that upon use forcibly opens a Vaal Portal in whatever your current zone is

including while inside a Vaal zone already

the league boss happens when you go, like, 5 levels deep or something

though maybe add a restriction that you can't use a Vaal Portal in a zone that already has a vaal portal in it

so that you can't go down to -3 and infinitely farm -4s on the same map

[tranquil sedge]

that reminds me of sherwood dungeon, the online game from back in the day lol

and it's endless dungeon u keep going down levels in staircases

[spice pecan]

oh man, sherwood dungeon was a very good josh strife hayes video

[tranquil sedge]

🙂‍↕️

[pulsar dune]

how about - you clear the vaal side area to unleash the vaal in your map, which makes it harder and more rewarding

IG that's just wildwood

[proud gorge]

the main notable thing about Vaal Side Areas is that they're their own loading zone, not generated when you open the map but generated as their own sub-loading-zone, and thus I think having something that actually makes use of the fact that they're their own independent zones would be fun

[cobalt blade]

Wildwood but because its vaal all your shit gets double corrupted

:D

[proud gorge]

thus: mod stacking through repeated vaal portal openings

[pulsar dune]

that would be funny

[proud gorge]

because that's the one thing you can't do when the sub-area is just generated inside the main area, give it a bunch of its own map mods

[undone gazelle]

before every level depth there's a vaal shrine/device that gives you 2-3 options to juice+add difficulty even further the deeper you go

[pulsar dune]

like a tiny roguelite huh

[undone gazelle]

yeah

[cobalt blade]

theyd need to change how instance timers work for your idea im p sure which is prolly too much work

Otherwise by the 3rd or 4th layer your map would close

[proud gorge]

Would they? What happens if you enter a vaal side area right now and then stay inside for 15 minutes?

[crisp plinth]

reintroduncing old last epoch monolith system with the 2 choices boogaloo

[pulsar dune]

I mean, endless nightmare is a thing in the current game

and I don't think people really get trapped in there

[proud gorge]

yeah, there's a bunch of map sub-zones with their own loading screens

[cobalt blade]

Yea ive had my map close in an endless nightmare after going afk portal lead to "null" instead of map zone lol

[proud gorge]

like Abyssal depths

[pulsar dune]

oh rip

[cobalt blade]

+during sanctum peoples map got closed and lead to null if you remember

[proud gorge]

hmm

maybe have the Vaal Portal only have a chance to open when you kill the map boss

so that you're, at least theoretically, "done" with the map

you can still force a portal to appear with the vaal portal without killing the boss

but the natural portal generation is guarded by killing the map boss

and I think every campaign zone has a map boss in it

so that can work there as well

[split maple]

Mud flats or whatever the rhoa zone is?

Tho Ig that's nitpicking

[proud gorge]

it's got one

[split maple]

Oh that big Brown rhoa

[proud gorge]

he's a green poisony rhoa

but yeah, could also be a way to make boss rushing more interesting, since you could boss rush on T16.5s with your altas tree set up to give you 100% chance to generate an enhanced Vaal Portal, or something

"Your natural Vaal Portals are enhanced with challenging and rewarding effects."

[split maple]

alluring vaal areas basically

[proud gorge]

basically yeah

[opaque sphinx]

decided to do a feared for fun

[split maple]

sounds like a comfy rework

[cobalt blade]

ez pof

[opaque sphinx]

noice prep

[tranquil sedge]

ez loot

how much is unid sublime

[opaque sphinx]

damn it went down hard

[tranquil sedge]

thats a nice amount of loot to spend on crafting more gear

[opaque sphinx]

it pays off my debt

had to borrow 100d from my friend to get the build up and running

[tranquil sedge]

i need friends like this

[cobalt blade]

Lowkey so funny how unworth iding them is

Pof sublime being only 980d at a 1/17 and fuck all breaking even much less making profit lol

Compared to other unid gambles atleast breaking even on average

[opaque sphinx]

i was gonna pay him back in voices/valdos/stacked decks cuz he's a gambling hoe

[tranquil sedge]

what im hearing is kira is leaving 900d on the table

[opaque sphinx]

but this fast tracks things

[cobalt blade]

trrue

[cobalt blade]

surely the voices id 1p

all 8

[proud gorge]

the price of unid'd Sublimes has been driven up by gambling speculators

[opaque sphinx]

with his luck they will

[proud gorge]

and they're driven not by profit but by pure gambling addiction

[cobalt blade]

yea but take gambles that mathematically break even atleast

[opaque sphinx]

after he leant me the 100d he went and bought 1 apo and turned it into 4 then logged out again

and told me to just hit 4head

[cobalt blade]

like iding forbidden flames/fleshes broke even if you id'd a hundred or so earlier in the league profit if lucky vs lucky to break even on sublime lol

or hom gambles for fun

[proud gorge]

since there's only 19 Sublimes, it's very easy to calculate the profit by comparing the price of 19 Sublimes to the price of all 19 id'd sublimes added together.

[cobalt blade]

17

[proud gorge]

17 yeah, got the number wrong

[barren river]

you can do double corrupt gambas

go vaal megibluds

[pulsar dune]

MBs are a bit meh since a lot of ppl end leagues with slamming one or two, so they can end up underpriced

[opaque sphinx]

pls ggg can we have atlas keystone for "your vaal orbs always result in 8 mods when used on maven invitations"

[cobalt blade]

an actual profitable double corrupt is just doing gems

[opaque sphinx]

u cant trade them anymore, means i cant buy them
means if my 8 mod doesnt hit then its just a letdown

[pulsar dune]

I mean, sure, but that's boring

[opaque sphinx]

ok fine

[cobalt blade]

also add back height of hubris pls

[tranquil sedge]

bring back height of hubris

lol
yes

[cobalt blade]

lol

[opaque sphinx]

your vaals always equal 9 mods, all bosses are released at once

fuck u guys i was typin that just slow

[tranquil sedge]

[opaque sphinx]

[cobalt blade]

Eh not much less boring than items

If you arent doing big ones like mageblood atleast

[pulsar dune]

make twist of fate apply to invitations

[pulsar dune]

and buff twist of fate

[spice pecan]

was only in for 2 leagues lol

[cobalt blade]

though i made some good profit doing int stack claws earlier this league was p good profit margins+got my own upgrades from it

[spice pecan]

what was that god awful node that you had to take that made it so you couldn't click atlas notables

[opaque sphinx]

cuz after those for 5 leagues it became a mod u can roll

maybe it still is ngl

cant say i pay attention a ton

[proud gorge]

17x Unid'd Sublime (let's say 90 div each, if you're buying a bunch): 1530 div

(I'm going with the higher stable price on these, uncorrupted)
Anger: 0.6d
Hatred: 1d
Wrath: 0.6d
Zealotry: 1d
Malevolence: 8d
Pride: 20d
Determination: 1d
Discipline: 20d
Grace: 5d
Haste: 30d
Purity of Elements: 10d
Purity of Fire: 1000d
Purity of Ice: 10d
Purity of Lightning: 7d
Vitality: 1d
Clarity: 0.6d
Precision: 100d
Total: 1,215.8 div

[opaque sphinx]

he did the monster math

[spice pecan]

fuck this node

[proud gorge]

so yeah, you lose a lot of money IDing Sublimes, even if you hit one Purity of Fire every 19 (on rate)

[spice pecan]

can't believe this node lasted 6 leagues and height of hubris only 2

[opaque sphinx]

yeah but if u hit 2/18

[cobalt blade]

Yep i did say its lucky to break even lmao

[proud gorge]

an average loss of 81 div per ID

[cobalt blade]

I did the math earlier in the league outta boredom and it was actually better then since haste was a break even

and it was still not profitable

[short prairie]

I was removed from the game

[opaque sphinx]

wot how

[cobalt blade]

1/17 to hit pof pof isnt worth 17 sublimes unid

only 1 breaks even

[proud gorge]

no wait yeah that number is wildly wrong

[opaque sphinx]

1530-1216 = 314/17 = 18.5

[proud gorge]

oh I accidentally typed the second number into my calculator as "1215/8" instead of "1215.8" lmao

[cobalt blade]

lol

[opaque sphinx]

wait i mistyped

[proud gorge]

it's 18.48 div per ID

yeah

[cobalt blade]

incredible way to lose all your curr

[proud gorge]

this is why they still teach math in school even though we all have a calculator in our pocket folks

so that when you accidentally type the numbers in wrong you can go "wait that number is definitely wrong, let me try again"

[tawdry olive]

RIP this one too

[cobalt blade]

i still think they should bring that back

[tawdry olive]

Imagine this plus wandering path lmao

[spice pecan]

tbh i feel like that keystone goes against the way they should eventually rebalance the atlas

[tawdry olive]

Literally no content

[spice pecan]

like i would much rather be able to run multiple league mechanics in the same map and have them be worthwhile

rather than sprinting to the fucking harvest, clearing it, and going next

[proud gorge]

yeah Wandering Path and Back to Basics were both too powerful for what they were, while making your atlas tree really uninteresting

[spice pecan]

or the blight or the breaches

[tawdry olive]

They had some really diehard proponents tho

[cobalt blade]

but have you considered running no content

[tawdry olive]

Those that want to stick a map in and go

[spice pecan]

maps with no influence and no mechanics are so unbelievably boring

[cobalt blade]

you just kill shrine mobs go next :3

[spice pecan]

spam open maps till you get a good roll

and the maps you do run are snoozefests

[proud gorge]

It's the same people who insisted that Phrecia's idol system was peak when in reality they cared that it was broken and printed currency, regardless of the actual idol mechanic

[cobalt blade]

ok thats just wrong for b2b

Those maps were fucked up

[spice pecan]

i mean yeah

[proud gorge]

I had to have so many discussions with people during Phrecia where they insisted that Phrecia's idol system was peak, and I just asked them what specific part of the idol system do they like, without mentioning that it prints currency.

Because if it went core then it would definitely be nerfed to be more in line with the actual atlas tree

[spice pecan]

idols almost let me feel like i could juice like, two or three mechanics to a meaningful degree

[proud gorge]

and I think I got all of one response that actually argued for idols in a way that wasn't "it prints money"

[spice pecan]

but also that could be because i physically could not purchase anything resembling a full set of idols for one single mechanic

[cobalt blade]

Idols would be absurd with faustus

[spice pecan]

idols would be nice every once in a while with async now

since the horrid trading experience for them is no more

but ppl keep suggesting for them to make them into atlas clusters and that makes me want to vomit

[tawdry olive]

If it doesn’t print it stinks

[cobalt blade]

i mean thatd be a fun way to implement them imo no longer forced to recomb mix of phrecia and the reg tree

prob less powerful but still fun

[spice pecan]

if i have to recomb idols again

i will literally gouge my eyeballs out

[proud gorge]

my biggest issue with the idol system is that it just further reinforces the Rich get Richer phenomenon, where if you're already rich you can afford to pay a huge pricetag for amazing idols, while if you're not rich enough to buy a full set already then you're best off selling the idols to someone else who can use them better. And since they're non-consumable, the people with the currency to spend on really good idols early on will just continue to use those idols to print money while other players have to struggle to catch up to a rapidly inflating economy

[spice pecan]

but also if i had to craft them like regular clusters, i would also gouge my eyeballs out

[cobalt blade]

Also a specific part of it i enjoyed was being able to run 25? king harby maps or otherwise full focus 1 mechanic to an extreme

[proud gorge]

the Altas Tree at least gives parity because everyone has access to the same nodes

[cobalt blade]

vs on the tree harby only being like 20 points

[spice pecan]

i still wish it was worthwhile to juice multiple mechanics at the same time instead, but i doubt that'll ever happen

[cobalt blade]

Also this happens with gearing too I personally dont see a problem with it being a thing for mapping as well

[proud gorge]

yeah, that's a nice real benefit, being able to theoretically hyper-focus a single mechanic in a way the atlas tree doesn't provide, but I just think the item-based idol system is a bad way to go about achieving that goal

it means that even breaking into mapping at all requires a massive investment of money

[cobalt blade]

(More profit crafting stuff to make mirrors off :3)

[pulsar dune]

with gearing it's less bad since the game is pretty easy

[cobalt blade]

i mean not if they implement it as clusters

youd still have the full tree you can just choose to go clusters for full harbinger

Or full blight

[proud gorge]

yeah, clusters or something would probably be the best way to go about it, since that leaves you with the full existing atlas tree to start with while also letting you spec into more specific things

[cobalt blade]

Personally dont see it as being bad for either since i like having good minmax farms

and having an expensive farm drives up the sell price of the stuff other farms make

(so long as said expensive farm isnt self sustaining everything like abyss edifice in mercs)

[proud gorge]

gearing isn't too much of a problem because you can easily reach and beat T16s and start farming low economy strategies on like 20c worth of gear. But if idols were in the game, those low economy strats would suddenly cost a bunch of currency to even start, forcing people to farm zero tree zero idol T16s, or run with a shitty mixed idol set

[cobalt blade]

/i guess good farm in the context of self sustaining

[proud gorge]

which would suck ass

I am super happy with the atlas tree, and have no desire to go back to the old no atlas tree endgame of yesteryear, that was terrible

here's my silly idea though: League Jewels for the atlas tree or something. When slotted into spots on the atlas tree, it converts all passives in the (probably small) radius into passives appropriate for the league the jewel is associated with, with notables turning into a random notable or maybe some new jewel-exclusive notables

Timeless jewels but for the atlas tree lmao

[pulsar dune]

timeless jewels for the atlas would be vile

exactly two people per league can run this strat lel

[cobalt blade]

"wts 8 lucky blight chest notable timeless jewel for 1mirr" incoming

[proud gorge]

yeah, the biggest issue with timeless jewels for the atlas tree is that everyone gets the same atlas tree, and if you're speccing into a mechanic everyone's tree looks basically the same

regular timeless jewels, the different seeds can mean different things for different builds, depending on where on the tree you are

but yeah, if, say, there were an Ambush jewel with 5 really good notables right along the path that the Ambush tree paths along anyways, it would be equally good for every single person running ambush

making seed homogenization really aggressive

a less silly version would be one where there's no seed, just every jewel converts every notable into the exact same notable for everyone

[cobalt blade]

why i think clusters would be a better system since having a 2 perfect 1 imperfect mod jewel or spending 2 extra points isnt nearly as back breaking as having a shitty timeless jewel can be

like take theee elegant hubris minion jewels where you straight up double your damage from a good vs bad one and apply that to the context of the tree

Vs an imperfect cluster being maybe 10-30% worse

(or less if notables)

[proud gorge]

game please lmao

the screenshot got cut off but it's like all Heal Ailiths

plus one shield

[elder marlin]

is ignite a problem?

[cobalt blade]

Tbf its not like the abilities really do anything anyway

they maybe kill a few white mobs

[proud gorge]

I like clicking the buttons

plus they're like all white mobs

[cobalt blade]

its kind of impactful if your doing feared valdos and thats about it

very mucha non thing for mapping

[proud gorge]

I mean, depends on your build

Fire is arguably the most important elemental resistance just because it's like the only way to reduce your damage taken from ignite

whereas the other elemental ailments just don't actually deal damage

and sometimes in very very high level mapping you can get hit really really hard and take a huge ignite

[cobalt blade]

Theres like 3 or 4 sources of ignites that can deal relevant damage lol

[frigid wedge]

ignite is the most negligible elemental ailment

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's the most ignorable immunity

[cobalt blade]

volatiles if you have ignite on the map atziri flameblast and dread fire explosion

[proud gorge]

but it's also the only one where resistance particularly matters

[cobalt blade]

pretty much any other source is negligible

[frigid wedge]

that's basically it tho

[proud gorge]

I don't think your lightning res actually affects how strongly you get shocked

[cobalt blade]

It does

[proud gorge]

does it? Don't ailments inflict based on base damage, not actual post-resistance hit damage?

[frigid wedge]

as someone who is ONLY freeze immune, when i click an ailment reflect altar i have not once died to an ignite, my pbrand is 50% fire

[proud gorge]

or is that just DoT ailments

[elder marlin]

how abt bleeding?

[proud gorge]

Bleed is kind of relevant, unless you're running Ralakesh pantheon

in which case it's completely ignorable

[opaque sphinx]

[frigid wedge]

the ailment inflicts from base damage and the damage is mitigated by res for ignite

[cobalt blade]

Altar only does non dmging ailment

[frigid wedge]

i dont exactly avoid being hit

[proud gorge]

yeah, that's why I was saying that fire is the most important resistance, because it actually reduces ignite damage, whereas I don't think cold or lightning res actually affects how strong the chill or shock you get inflicted with are

[pulsar dune]

yea, ignite reflect would annihilate you

[opaque sphinx]

one day i will get smth better than brother gift from sd

[ocean folio]

it does reduce chill and shock because they are calculated depending on how much life you lost

[tranquil sedge]

the arrow is in the wrong place

one moment

[proud gorge]

oh, interesting. So the base damage version is only for DoT ailments

[cobalt blade]

Correct

[frigid wedge]

i have 50% shock on me entire duration of ailment reflect maps tho and still dont die to ignites put on me

[cobalt blade]

Ye cos ignites are irrelevant lol

[tranquil sedge]

its for non-damaging ailments

[proud gorge]

that makes sense, now that I think about it, since the entire reason why DoT ailments go off base damage instead of hit damage is so that they don't get double-reduced by elemental res

but of course shocks and chills don't have that issue

[elder marlin]

how feasible is it to chance scour for azadi?

[frigid wedge]

that was kinda the point i was tryna make

with 50% inc dmg taken ignites are still negligible

during maps

[cobalt blade]

Yuh

[proud gorge]

but yeah, shock and chill/freeze you should generally just get immunity to rather than trying to muscle through on res alone

[cobalt blade]

^

[split maple]

It's t4 so ez enough https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Guide:Analysis_of_unique_item_tiers

[proud gorge]

but ignites you usually just muscle through on res alone

[tranquil sedge]

the distinction is non-damaging* not dot
but it just so happens that damaging ailments do damage over time

[split maple]

Maybe a hundreds or so chance scours

[proud gorge]

clearly we need them to add some non-DoT ailments to the game

[frigid wedge]

i still don't know how im getting 50% shocks on my build tbh

i dont have shaper of storms

and most of my dps is fire

[split maple]

Just imprint since there is also mistwall in pool

And you prolly don't want dbl influenced mistwall

[cobalt blade]

cos your dealing millions of damage to a mob your ailment threshold is less than millions

therefore 50% shock

[frigid wedge]

no but i inflict 50% on bosses too

[cobalt blade]

ah thatd id need to see your pob for

and not be on mobile

[frigid wedge]

it might genuinely just be that i have a lot of lightning dmg on ky explode

and hateful accuser lets me force it out

[tranquil sedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/character/SansShotoFlammen

[cobalt blade]

oriaths end?

[frigid wedge]

i realise i have literally no fire convert on my build and the main damage type is still fire

😂

[cobalt blade]

Ah yep makes sense you have crit capped oriaths end from fishing rod

With marylenes

[frigid wedge]

i have 115 lightning convert

[proud gorge]

Ghostfire: An ailment that deals damage again at the end of its duration.
Electrocute: An ailment that deals damage every time the enemy attacks/casts an ability, during its duration.
Iceblast: An ailment that is consumed to deal damage the next time the enemy is hit, with the damage increasing over its duration.

[cobalt blade]

Or well i assume its using that graft

[frigid wedge]

the graft works for all 3 ailment types

[proud gorge]

Curse: An ailment that increases the base damage of all hits the enemy takes by a flat amount.

no wait it can't be called curse

Hex? No that's also taken

[cobalt blade]

this is just impale

but as an ailment

[proud gorge]

nah, impale deals damage again scaling with the damage of the inflicting hit

[frigid wedge]

impale is already an ailment iirc

[ocean folio]

its not

[split maple]

its just debuff

[frigid wedge]

just call it mirth or smth

[proud gorge]

my idea here would be an ailment that has an ailment strength, and causes all hits against the enemy to gain base damage based on the ailment strength. So like, a 100 strength Curse would cause all hits to hit the enemy to gain 100 base damage

and would allow you to scale ailment effect as base damage on any skill

[frigid wedge]

fire res alva mod

[proud gorge]

as long as you inflict the ailment first

[split maple]

yes sure give me free flat, i will be responsible with it i promise

[ocean folio]

give me flat phys to make facebreaker great again

[proud gorge]

realistic base values would probably be, like, 20 at base

and it'd probably be chaos damage

[frigid wedge]

just get flat phys per impale

[proud gorge]

so you'd probably need to build a decent amount of ailment effect

[ocean folio]

impale is not comparable to added base dmg at all

its just a dmg multiplier

[proud gorge]

actually wait, nvm this is a damaging elemental ailment, which means by the rules of PoE its damage should scale with the inflicting hit

or rather, with the base damage of the inflicting hit

since it's a damaging ailment

that does make it a lot more similar to impale actually

[ocean folio]

its not a damaging ailment. it doesnt directly deal damage. similar to shock

[proud gorge]

fair yeah

[frigid wedge]

theres nodes and modifiers that add flat physical to attacks per impale on the mob being hit

[frigid wedge]

such as master of metal

[proud gorge]

I do like the idea of an ailment that doesn't actually scale with the hit that inflicted it, it just starts at a flat 20 chaos damage added to the base of any hit that hits this enemy

and you can scale it with various ailment supports

[frigid wedge]

how does rallying cry actually work btw

[proud gorge]

and other sources of ailment effect

[frigid wedge]

can i literally just weapon swap, rally and swap back

[cobalt blade]

The buff is iirc based on your currently held weapon

Also it only affects allies not you

[pseudo spindle]

good old times 2008

[opaque sphinx]

where my inc

[frigid wedge]

yey

xD

[opaque sphinx]

inc slam of the year

wait is this a foulborn angle

[cobalt blade]

Would be a bit broken to just have that give you over double damage with warcry buff effect solo lmao

[split maple]

fbl ex it yeah, if nothing else it removes 25% from pool

prayge it hits so you can synth for int 😄

[frigid wedge]

i swear it just shifts weights

[cobalt blade]

foulborn into fracture angle if it misses imo

[opaque sphinx]

1/38 regular ex, 1/25 foul

[split maple]

it removes bottom half of mod tiers

[cobalt blade]

Fracturing 3 att does kinda sell

[frigid wedge]

lovely

[opaque sphinx]

they are 2.5d ea

[split maple]

dont worry, your sublime will cover

[brazen vector]

Do it

[frigid wedge]

serious question, cant you just use trauma

[cobalt blade]

no

[frigid wedge]

why

[cobalt blade]

trauma isnt unarmed iirc

[ocean folio]

Supported Skills can only be used with Axes, Maces, Sceptres or Staves

[split maple]

"Supported Skills can only be used with Axes, Maces, Sceptres or Staves" ouch

[frigid wedge]

normally it lists that at the top

[opaque sphinx]

f

[cobalt blade]

not for supports

only skills

[cobalt blade]

f

[split maple]

gl on frac

[cobalt blade]

(eg nightblade)

[opaque sphinx]

nah we annuled

not worth frac without 35 or int

35 + int

all att can be res, and es is easy to roll

[umbral crag]

All attri is fine imo.

[opaque sphinx]

eh i found it was too hard to get int and eff if u do all att

[umbral crag]

But I get your point

Eh i got it just fine kek

[opaque sphinx]

i did settle on one tho

[umbral crag]

Self crafting your clusters?

[opaque sphinx]

these are my 3 atm

[frigid wedge]

guess its just champ angle for facebreakers then atm

[frigid wedge]

w impales

[opaque sphinx]

they are mostly fine but just tryna see if i can up the 1st or 3rd one at all

[umbral crag]

Neat, not too far from mine ig

Though i didnt use foulborn exalted on mine, too poor lol

[cobalt blade]

3rd is worse than not having effect but having 8 int (unless your severely lacking inc dmg lol)

[opaque sphinx]

we back

[frigid wedge]

in all fareness acc stack does have a slight deficiency in inc dmg sources before u get melee per int

on graft

[cobalt blade]

ay but youd need to be like below 400-500%

[opaque sphinx]

if it takes 8d to hit +8 like it did last night imma yeet it

ok only 3 this time

[frigid wedge]

are u imprinting these

[cobalt blade]

If you want a terrible use of currency imprint foulborn regal until 35eff/4 att repeat

[frigid wedge]

nah for terrible use u use beast lock for regal

and then still yolo slam last mod

[cobalt blade]

If your going that route why not jus regular lock for true currency wasting :D

[opaque sphinx]

if ur going for perfect that is the play

cuz u can synth it after

[frigid wedge]

bc that means ur tryna be serious

[astral knoll]

my regret is didn't try the Phrecia league, seem like everyone really like that

[cobalt blade]

if your going perfect you synth before

[frigid wedge]

dex eva

https://tenor.com/view/fast-cat-cat-excited-jumping-gif-5054843775616689213

[cobalt blade]

otherwise your just not hitting triple synth much less 3 good synths and you cant have your sells for more to vendor for the lightning pen lock corrupt

[frigid wedge]

other than the part where u spent more on idols than ur build

[opaque sphinx]

ex slam yuge

ok b2b lets go

annuled int

we go agane

[frigid wedge]

seems like es is evading u

[cobalt blade]

To be fair people did spend more on their builds than idols at the top end :D

[frigid wedge]

[frigid wedge]

2mir for mid strongbox idols

[cobalt blade]

Like the trickster jewels were 2 mirrors in phrecia+ mirroring items

[frigid wedge]

the trickster jewels were 2mir bc half the ascendancies worth playing in phrecia were on shadow

lets be realistic

[cobalt blade]

Yee

[frigid wedge]

and this was pre ls nerf

with free return

so ofc trickster jewels expensive

[cobalt blade]

The other good jewel was like str stack acc one for commamders lol

I think that was around 0.8-1.5m depending on time of league in phrecia

[opaque sphinx]

mean

bruuuuh

more likely

[split maple]

corrupt and divine teardrop

[ocean field]

gang why does it low key feel like t16 mods are harder than t17 mods for trickster

[split maple]

trickster in this league?

[ocean field]

yep

don't judge

[split maple]

idk man i think thats more of issue than t16 mods

tho like which t16 mod is issue except "cannot be leched from" which is ass and totally should be removed

[frigid wedge]

undeniable

[ocean field]

cannot leech, reduced recovery which can scale upto to 100%, nerfs to curse aura

[frigid wedge]

for acc stack node

[cobalt blade]

Yeh

[tranquil sedge]

the mods that scale to 100%+ are okay coz thats a choice being made there

but the outright 'lol no sit' mods are just questionable sometimes yh

[split maple]

how much explicit effect we hitting nowadays

i always forget that number

[tranquil sedge]

not enough to hit 100% on the reduced recovery

[ocean field]

yep

[tranquil sedge]

we're at like 55% or something ish right now

[ocean field]

man they should just remove the risk scarab

[tranquil sedge]

we used to be i think 84% or smth

[ocean field]

cause now you gotta gamble

[tranquil sedge]

i mean

'risk'

[split maple]

60*1.55 = 93% reduced recovery

[tranquil sedge]

risk is great lol we need mor difficulty ceiling not less

brb apex

[ocean field]

if you gonna add the scarab then allow 4 like last league gng

what is this 1 scarab shit

[cobalt blade]

risk scarab doesnt scale mod effect though so just have on hit from WE for no leech and your fine

[brazen vector]

Where is the weekly retention post

[ocean field]

but tbh this sub kinda dead the league what happened

last league was active af

[split maple]

ramping 🥳

maybe gonna be better than necro soon

[ocean field]

holy sheet

[brazen vector]

[cobalt blade]

Low key still dont understand why so many quit in necro it was quite a good league

[split maple]

i am sad i missed necro kinda

sounds like tedious af but interesting

[cobalt blade]

solid minmax to low invest strategies and if you disliked the corpse stuff you could just ignore it

[ocean field]

I was only around from settlers

[ocean folio]

it was incredibly tedious and annoying to use the league mechanic that i didnt bother after like a couple days

[split maple]

yeah i kinda skiped 2018-settlers

[brazen vector]

And the div card farm was one of the most fun farms I've done

[ocean field]

hopefully next league is our league gng

[fickle glen]

When the spell “Void Sphere” consume a corpse does count for my character consuming a corpse?

[ocean field]

they gotta buff trickster

[cobalt blade]

Ye the choice to ignore it as you did do be why im confused it had low retention

[split maple]

yes you found the only chanel where its appropriate to wave

[cobalt blade]

Personally profit crafted with it alot of the league though lmao fractured influenced items and forcing fractured on grasping mails/other items was funky

[brazen vector]

They waved in all the channels

[split maple]

yes including the appropriate one 😄

[ocean field]

rn am not even playing the league just experimenting with builds in standard

[cobalt blade]

Also that one sure was something

needing you to basically have a mirror of disposable currency to toss at your farm to make profit lmfao

but once you got it going fucking incredible farm

[ocean field]

I think async trade carried this league

or would have died much faster

[split maple]

idk prolly async trade wasnt even good for retention

since like why play trade for more than a week with it

[split pagoda]

I feel like they need to go to 3month cycles or smth for releases

Idk if they have enough time to cook as is

[cobalt blade]

^people who play casually got to the gear their happy with faster for 1-5c from tree items they quit faster

[brazen vector]

Asynchronous trade killed it much faster as every item was available 24/7 instead of limited time only making people quit earlier since they reach their goal faster

[tawdry olive]

you mean 3 month cycles for poe1 righ... oh

[tranquil sedge]

(and the tree made those items come faster)

[ocean field]

they burning the kitchen gng

[split pagoda]

Itd be 6 months between poe1 updates

[split maple]

i would be ok with 6m cycle ngl

much less stressful

[ocean field]

ngl tree ruined my early game harvest

I low key hate this league

nerfed my goat trickster

[cobalt blade]

Imo 6 month cycles 3 month in do an event fresh start league

no extra content just fresh start for people who find that fun

[split pagoda]

Ya this is what I was thinking too

[split maple]

#phrecia

[split pagoda]

Bring back fresh start events

[fickle glen]

When does this league end?

[tranquil sedge]

it ruined:
-harvest
-harbinger
-expedition
-delve
-ground loot
-other assorted bubblegum currency
-probably more things

[cobalt blade]

pls

[split pagoda]

And do longer cycles

[split maple]

would be fun to have 3m regular ascendancy 3m phrecia event with league content repeat

[brazen vector]

Tree gave me a 1280 es chest early on and it kinda stalled from there as I didnt need to upgrade it from there and most of the other gear was uniques

[cobalt blade]

early recomb profit crafts too

[ocean field]

ggg on their way to clusterfk the game

and then have zizarin do damage control

and trick us into thinking this is good actually

[brazen vector]

GGG doesn't know what they want their games to be either, look at poe2 news with nerfs and reverted nerfs and stuff

[split maple]

this hotfix removing nerf was kinda hilarious in sad way

[brazen vector]

I laughed

[cobalt blade]

tbf that was necessary having only no lifers have effectively a legacy temple was a bit silly

[split maple]

What surprises me kinda is poe2 retention

Feels better than it should be

[ocean field]

when poe2 going to be free gng. I spent all my money on stash tab now broke

[split pagoda]

Im not like very pessimistic cuz in my experience ggg generally do bounce back with good updates after the occasional misfire, it just feels a little different this time cuz its clear the schedule might be a little too tight and they’ve even said themselves that their plan is to simply release whatever they got done and not do delays

[brazen vector]

What made me chuckle too is that when I logged from grim dawn to poe2 the other day I thought "wow poe2 is fast" unironically

[split pagoda]

I had fun in 3.27 but it was more the base game hard carrying (and tree kinda fucked up some of that too)

[split maple]

Like Casie finished with poe2 in an opening weekend

[cobalt blade]

Yeah same got like 3 weeks or so out of it

[split maple]

What content is there to play with

[cobalt blade]

and got bored only because there wasnt anything worth tossing multi mirr characters at

[tranquil sedge]

redo the campaign several times

try to make a temple for a couple weeks

[fickle glen]

I like the genesis tree, it’s helping beginners like me a lot

[tranquil sedge]

it's not helping you long-term at all though

its a crutch

[split pagoda]

Playing on hc is what got me a few weeks out of poe2, if I played in sc id be done in a weekend for sure lol

[tranquil sedge]

next league it won't be there what are you gonna do then lol

[cobalt blade]

its not really teaching you how to craft or create those items in every league though

[tranquil sedge]

it's a negative for you in every way if you really think about it

[split maple]

3.27 is carried for me a tad by build meta having some interesting stuff to work forward to

Contentwise kinda meh

[fickle glen]

Just here for fun

[silent leaf]

YEP AND I FUCKING LOVE IT

[tranquil sedge]

you didn't learn to craft
ground loot you found was worth less
several league mechanics were devalued

[split maple]

Lootwise wtf cmon it feels like minimum wage

[gritty epoch]

I don't need tree I have recombinator

[tranquil sedge]

banners bad sit

[silent leaf]

I don't have to craft 800 pdps axes

[cobalt blade]

slightly above minimum still better loot than kalandra to be fair

[tranquil sedge]

yea but it also made a lotta people quit faster

[silent leaf]

Y'all need gear to do bosses?

[tranquil sedge]

it won't stay core for that reason

[tranquil sedge]

heh

[silent leaf]

800 pdps ez

[tranquil sedge]

not even 900 look at this noob

[silent leaf]

The saddest thing is

I'm on uul netol and I do the Ubers

[tranquil sedge]

i do wanna try ur weird banner build once tho

[silent leaf]

Not deathless, I die 2-4 times

[split maple]

farm scarabs until you run out of nemeses - fuck around - farm scarabs - oh look enough herds to go catch frogs for 20 maps - repeat

[tranquil sedge]

it looks weird enough to be fun

[split maple]

peak gameplay loop

[tranquil sedge]

and still strong enough to map

why is it all blue items tho, do u ever grow past that jewel and start using yellows?

[silent leaf]

That's a meme gear

In actuality I use 8 uniques

Lmao

[tranquil sedge]

lol

but that meme gear still works somehow?

[cobalt blade]

Farm scarabs until you run out of nemesis - farm scarabs until you run out of blight - farm scarabs until you run out of titanic+exiles - repeat

the ssf experience

[silent leaf]

The meme gear was mostly just to compensate for not having 900 pdps axe

[tranquil sedge]

o

[silent leaf]

Since not everyone can get it

[tranquil sedge]

not even 1000 dps smh my head

[silent leaf]

1100 w influence

Cba to craft

[cobalt blade]

not even full unique including flasks smh my head

[tranquil sedge]

not even 1200 smh

[gritty epoch]

Not even 1300

[tranquil sedge]

influenced one is a bit rough yea

[silent leaf]

Smh

[tranquil sedge]

wat axe base is best for the build anyway

[silent leaf]

karui chopper

[tranquil sedge]

despot?

[silent leaf]

wtf is despot

[tranquil sedge]

an axe base

[silent leaf]

oh

ngl

i thought theres only 2 axe bases, vaal or karui

zamn 1.40 AS

[gritty epoch]

If u are crit it has to be fleshripper imo

[split pagoda]

Void is a decent base aswell iirc for a slightly higher as vaal axe

[silent leaf]

but ye karui chopper is bar none the best p sure since exerts will be your biggest enemy

[silent leaf]

if ur flicker

[tidal estuary]

why is the "Thread of Hope" having such big price difference between "Massive ring" and "Very Large ring" ?!

[silent leaf]

uber and normal sirus

[cobalt blade]

massive ring is the only one from uber

[split pagoda]

Yeah non zerkers gotta look towards karui typically lol

[cobalt blade]

And its the most common uber drop

[gritty epoch]

Massive is bad

[tidal estuary]

yea, but the uber one is cheaper than the normal one xD

[cobalt blade]

Its actually good in like 2 spots just too common

[silent leaf]

no idea lmao

[tidal estuary]

why though?

[split pagoda]

very large is a rare drop from normal sirus that can come in several variants, massive thread is only variant from uber sirus and common drop iirc

[gritty epoch]

I seldom see ppl using massive ones

[split pagoda]

and massive isnt used much either

[cobalt blade]

Theres a spot near i think the ranger area massive is good and shadow area just not popular rn and even if it was massive too common

For it to be worth anything

[tidal estuary]

well, first time did sirius, died once to him, and i got a "Very Large Ring" dropped

(im ignoring the 2 times where i died to the black fields before starting the fight)

and the jewl is even at best roll, -10% from -20-/-10%

[split maple]

i rly wish i could sustain invigo

and that it would be possible to roll t16.5 maps sanely -.- like last set of 8 blight maps costed me 400c

and my regex was just "sca.*(1[4-9].|[2-9]..)%"

good part of thread of hope is that you at least can divine non-massive ones to radious you need

[tidal estuary]

ok, trying to witness Incarnation of Dread is pain

the maven non-stop heals between the phases and resets the HP

[brazen vector]

uber or normal?

[tidal estuary]

normal

im just the average joe

[brazen vector]

just be faster with the roses and the mandatory RP then ;>

[split maple]

i love that the fight sometimes bugs out if you die during rose phase

never spawning roses

so either you do it hc or you risk lossing frag

[tidal estuary]

feels buggy af

[tidal estuary]

or it has a rose spawned that you cant collect

died 3 times because of this

[gritty epoch]

UI is buggy sometimes too

[brazen vector]

wait, what even kills you

[gritty epoch]

Sometimes you collected rose but it still doesn't show

Sometimes it collect rose phase but it doesn't say

[split maple]

Sometimes them Bolts don't render too

[tidal estuary]

i left myself to die because i cant progress the phase...

[split maple]

Like new bosses and new feared Just feel like buggy mess

[gritty epoch]

15 years of boss making experience btw

[split maple]

They peaked with Uber elder

[brazen vector]

small indie dev team

maven was peak

[gritty epoch]

Echoes of the atlas trailer is my favourite

[split maple]

idt i will hit the dps numbers needed for comfy maven this leg

[gritty epoch]

[brazen vector]

[barren river]

wtf is your build?

[frigid wedge]

you get flat life per empty red socket with amulet and ur life stacking for dps with the skill

[silent leaf]

https://pobb.in/hmvHQ_vMSx2e here's prob the "proper" endgame setup

[frigid wedge]

too many affixes

[silent leaf]

problem is probably just getting these in ssf

[frigid wedge]

bad

[silent leaf]

resistance doesnt rly matter, life is just a bonus

negative res doesnt matter

[spice pecan]

i wish that ventor existed

[silent leaf]

can just substitute B&S with enlighten if not tbh

and get t1 life rings

[barren river]

looks like i'll never play blood sacrament

[spice pecan]

not witht that attitude

[proud gorge]

ah man yeah, I forgot about the good old 6-off-color red for Blood Sac

to be fair, most builds leave one blue socket

for the single unlinked Flame Dash

[barren river]

blood sacrament seems like such a sketchy build

[proud gorge]

they've just put their Flame Dash in their Rathpith instead

[spice pecan]

you get to use dissolution now because of blood barrier from the vaal bloodline or something

[proud gorge]

previously, the main issue was that you realistically had to play it with Dissolution of the Flesh, but that meant you had a massive health bar but had to play like a super squishy build

but yeah, apparently Blood Barrier makes it a bit less of a hypersquishy build now

[barren river]

I looked up the variant with Untouched Soul and for some reason, Aul is used

[proud gorge]

the issue previously was that, since you build the Blood Sacrament to reserve almost 100% of your life on cast, if you had almost any amount of life reserved from Dissolution at all you just wouldn't be able to use your main and only damaging skill anymore

[spice pecan]

it's used on both vaal and aul

since there's like no reason to play any other skills anyways

[barren river]

but how tf do you get 6 red on the apostate?

[proud gorge]

so while you wouldn't die, you also wouldn't be able to attack, forcing you to retreat until your dissolution reserved life went away

[spice pecan]

jeweller trick

[proud gorge]

lmao extremely painful resocketing method

[spice pecan]

prepare to burn 10k jewellers orbs

[proud gorge]

aka jeweller trick yeah

[proud gorge]

5 red isn't too bad

but 6 red is where it gets very painful

[spice pecan]

it's like what 450 jewellers per attempt or something

[split maple]

aul vs quite literaly red es

[proud gorge]

it's why I'd put flame dash in that 6th socket in chest

imo the Blood Barrier is the vastly better option, because it lets you play like you have health at all

[split maple]

ig aul is used by folks who consider dissolution a playstyle

[proud gorge]

honestly it's probably by people who consider Blood Sacrament to be a hyperfast hypersquishy screen clearer build, and thus don't care about Blood Barrier because they don't plan to take damage anyways

[spice pecan]

vaaling 8 pieces of gear that need fucktons of offcolors is really cringe tho

[ocean field]

gng can u use bane as a trigger to cast 3 curses?

[split maple]

at least they are mostly common uniques

[proud gorge]

it's only 8, that means you can leave two unvaaled

and the 3/4 socket items are pretty easy to recolor even when vaal'd

[barren river]

I saw a build with a fuckton of animate weapon gems socketed

Why?

[spice pecan]

probably someone who quit the league

[proud gorge]

they might just be farming xp for them so they can double corrupt them to try to get one to sell

[spice pecan]

and fucked with their build for poeninja funnies

[proud gorge]

or one to use themselves I guess

the poe.ninja snapshot might have caught them with their weapon swap open

and/or they're playing an xp farming build that can afford to use most of their jewel sockets for the jewels they're xp farming on

[barren river]

Apparently, it's a meme

[proud gorge]

I dunno if there's a faster way to level gems to 20 these days

[split maple]

sure, level woker in bestiary

then in lab convert to that gem exp thingie

or just grab a bunch of cheap leveled gems from trade and do the same

[barren river]

if you want to level gems, put some penis brands in swaps and do a bulk doryani gamba

[split maple]

was there done that

[ocean field]

Is there any way to keybind one button to 3 slots in game

as in say 3 curses

instead of 1 button for each curse

[spice pecan]

uhh, if you use vixen's entrapment gloves

then you could technically cast 4 curses just by using one

otherwise you could link your curses to arcanist brand i guess

[split maple]

or cast on focus helmet

[ocean field]

yeah I know other ways exist

[spice pecan]

but specifically keybinding multiple buttons to a single button is against ToS

[ocean field]

is the keybinding possible

[ocean field]

oh

[spice pecan]

falls under macroing, one input needs to equal one output basically

[ocean field]

I see

[split maple]

and yea they confirmed thats against tos too ^

[whole bluff]

man, I'm lvling with this and it's so good I might not go EK ignite

[ocean field]

found the solution

thanks bro

[spice pecan]

[ocean field]

wait is this against tos

?

[split maple]

yes its one clientside action triggering multiple server ones

its against tos

dont matter if its software macro or hardware like in this case

[ocean field]

gng what is this what if I press 3 buttons at once will I get cooked

[whole bluff]

Player Report: ESM
Reason: Popsicle

[split maple]

enkindling orb for skills when

[ocean field]

real

[spice pecan]

i mean you could just slap three fingers down

[split maple]

or like get really fat finger

[ocean field]

how is that different from his stick gng

[split maple]

they cannot say surgery is against tos right

[spice pecan]

i dunno, i barely played during flask piano days

[ocean field]

fk it imma just use bane

[steel light]

u're already cws...

[split maple]

its obviously one action per finger so ok

[spice pecan]

don't much care either since we have the tools to make it work in game already

[ocean field]

gng how would they know if I am using finger or a stick

hypothetically speaking

[split maple]

they wont until anchovi tells them

[ocean field]

then don't tell them

[split maple]

I already wrote to support

[ocean field]

no issues chris wilson is my uncle

will save me gng

might even ask elon to step in

[split maple]

okay wtf is this https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1q4lijs/did_you_know_you_can_remove_the_tamings_level/

[whole bluff]

man, it even looks like I have MTX for free

kitava is currently killing the symbol while Im dead lul

I wonder if this broke something

I cannot get back to rooftop

and I didnt get ported to harbour

[spice pecan]

uh oh

[whole bluff]

there was a ladder

never seen it before

so they had a fix

[whole bluff]

dw, just use the secret phrase

and a penance uber eater kill in ruthless for good measure

[brazen vector]

same thing with the wolf on hit ring

[split maple]

rigwalds got patched out a while ago

looks like it was only an one off fix

[brazen vector]

what other tags do I add

[solar smelt]

This hurts my soul on so many levels. Ut's perfect, but at the same time not ugh

[brazen vector]

str stacking dancing dervish? I might need a PoB

[spice pecan]

are those empire's grasp gloves holy

[split maple]

isnt that foulborn alberons?

so intstack

[solar smelt]

Yea

[brazen vector]

oh right

yea, no need for a pob then

[solar smelt]

Dancing dervish is just there for a place holder till im the right level for the claws

[whole bluff]

how likely is it that they dont nerf wands in 3.28? I kinda like how witch is just plug and play atm

for lvling

[split maple]

kfusilade in particular or wands in general?

[whole bluff]

kfusilade is maybe more OP, but even kinetic bolt was nice

[split maple]

gonna bet on them messing with kfusil since that giga less dur thingie doesnt feel to me like intended way to do the skill

maybe some nerf to kboc, but i dont see them touching other wand skills much

[whole bluff]

might be yeah

[split maple]

they overbuffed it this leg

[normal hedge]

think its fine without double tornado tech

[split pagoda]

i doubt wands overall will get any particularly big nerfs, I mean they’re strong but not overwhelmingly so compared to alternatives

[normal hedge]

[split maple]

this leg it got dbl tornado, one extra support gem due to fork from runegraft, bunch of manastacking toys which ok aint staying

[split pagoda]

need those self cast spell buffs next patch more than anything

[split maple]

but like wands being meta this league isnt due to wands being strong, its due to difficulty ceiling being low enough

[tawdry olive]

you will have some coc and you will like it

[whole bluff]

if I had planned to make this a wander, I would have named it something like "HarryPotterWitch"

[spice pecan]

yeah wands didnt really feel much stronger than they already were, just that they got popular because people wanted even a crumb of wand buffs

[tawdry olive]

i played the hiero manaboi wander in 3.25 that was fun

[normal hedge]

Wands are really fun to play overall but theyre not great starters

[split pagoda]

Balance this league was quite good ithink

[split maple]

i rly like the build landscape this league

[tawdry olive]

besides elementalist things look pretty nice all things considered

[split maple]

lightning res kboc, int/accustacker, blood sacrament with actual qol, heraldstacker

kinda nice diversity

also strstack still strong as ever

[tawdry olive]

meanwhile elementalist be like "i wish i had 12 ascendancy points"

[split pagoda]

I think int/accu stacker is the strongest build we’ve had in many leagues but im not thaaat concerned about endgame balance aslong as it gets shifted occasionally, and atleast its not trickster EE lol

[split maple]

yeah same, tricky got hella stale

[tawdry olive]

it is, the int/acc stacker is so busted you reach msoz str stacker damage on a clear skill

and with CI lmao

[split pagoda]

yeah defenses are insane too

[tawdry olive]

the only "weakness" of the build is a lack of spell avoidance, but that gets compensated with max hit and instant recovery well enough

[split maple]

you can build suppress on it

[split pagoda]

u can also just build spell suppress on it

[split maple]

dunno why people dont

suppress small clusters or magebane if you like weird pathing

[tawdry olive]

nah that's still max hit, im talking more like spell block

[split maple]

like do you rly care what clusters are you using as long as they are 35% and int

[split pagoda]

oh ya thats not a big deal with how much maxhit u get

to spells especially

[molten crystal]

I was playing an RF Fire Chieftain build and honestly I’m done with it.
The build requires Tattoo of the Tukohama Makanga, which you can no longer drop or buy in the game.
All the hours I spent playing and farming feel completely wasted and it’s just frustrating.
I’m fed up at this point.

Are there any other beginner-friendly builds that actually work right now?
I mainly enjoy running maps and Delve.

[spice pecan]

you... definitely absolutely in no way need that tattoo

there must be something critical you missed, or you're reading some extremely outdated guide

[whole bluff]

is the guide up to date?

[tawdry olive]

is this a poe2 thing

[split pagoda]

yeah I dont know what that tattoo used to do but I am 100% certain it is not needed

[spice pecan]

it was life regen or something

[molten crystal]

I think so ? https://pobb.in/mmbI9FaEzjsi

[spice pecan]

that';s pohx's guide, so it's good

[whole bluff]

If it's Pohx, I'm surprised he even mentioned a legacy tattoo. There is 0% chance you really need it.

[spice pecan]

yeah, i would like to see where it's mentioned tbh

[pulsar dune]

Where do you see the tattoo in the guide?

[tawdry olive]

i used the pob u linked to level RF to like, 96 or something, i never noticed anything wrong with it

[brazen vector]

I can't find the mangaka tats in that

Is this just phox slander

[crisp plinth]

same

[spice pecan]

if you can link the pob of your actual character then maybe we can help

[molten crystal]

can't use aproching flames without that tatoo

[tawdry olive]

you can

i did so, there is rational doctrine

[pulsar dune]

I think people usually do doctrine for the boots, yeah

[tawdry olive]

honestly even without that if you have 90 max res and enough regen it still works

[spice pecan]

there's also the kikazaru ring which will give you 270 life regen at level 90

if like you really need it

[molten crystal]

Not sure how to share my pob build, am kinda new to poe

[whole bluff]

in any case, legacy items on wiki are I suppose technically maybe a trap for new players, even though if you read on Tattoo of the Tukohama Makanga, you can see that it is drop disabled, and this is some added detail, even if exactly what that means might not be immediately clear to a new player:

• " All of your Omens, Tattoos and Hinekora’s Lock’s will still exist in the Standard League however they will progressively become more scarce.[1]
  Tattoos were drop-disabled as Ancestor league did not go core. [Undocumented]"

[tawdry olive]

one of the biggest newbie traps is legacy content yea, you be reading some reddit post from 3/4 years ago or something and sometimes the game doesnt work that way anymore

and since you're new you have no idea how to tell

[crisp plinth]

by looking at the age, thats the same for a lot of games tbf

[tawdry olive]

some things like boss guides still work, and depending on the question sometimes answers from like 9 years ago still apply, so it's not always advisable to immediately disregard old comments

[molten crystal]

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/electrix18-4236

[crisp plinth]

if stuff still applies the wiki will have it

if youre unsure google with a time filter

[tawdry olive]

you see, im speaking from experience here, and as a newbie you dont even know that you should be reading poe wiki and disregard the old fandom one entirely

there's a lot of things that vets know that they just take for granted

[gritty epoch]

Gears looks decent at quick glance. But change the ring bench craft tho

[crisp plinth]

well the old wiki already looks defective on a lot of pages

in the end there no solution either

you wont get fandom to cease the wiki

[tawdry olive]

yea all we can do is ask people to gtfo that site when it comes up

[crisp plinth]

and get the new one above the old one on google but that is the case a lot of the time thankfully

[molten crystal]

Any other beginner friendly builds that u can recommend?

[ocean field]

https://pobb.in/idmXQ7qrMCp2 gng how to increase damage should I use e blade

[tawdry olive]

damn, "fuck stuns in particular"

[gritty epoch]

Slams

Tbh u ain't beginner imo

[ocean field]

XD I thought I would put it on the flasks

[pulsar dune]

Are you using runegrafts?

[gritty epoch]

U could try some more advanced builds

[ocean field]

yes

fortress

[frigid wedge]

holy shit best skill in the game

[ocean field]

XD

[frigid wedge]

what is even the point of using it

[ocean field]

pob do be weird somethign ngl

[frigid wedge]

u have GLOBAL es LEECH

[ocean field]

wdym

the mark?

or flesh and stone

[frigid wedge]

and for 2 points u can allocate what might be the best leech wheel in the entire tree

[pulsar dune]

I'd expect wild strike of extremes will be a damage increase even if you don't buff enemy res in any way, but you'd need to rely on radiant ground runegraft, since it needs whispers

[frigid wedge]

warlords mark

[ocean field]

this

the mark itself is useless

[frigid wedge]

why are u using THAT ONE

use literally any other mark

[ocean field]

gng I don't crit

[frigid wedge]

theres more marks than assassins

[spice pecan]

does poacher's mark do anything here

thats the flask one right

[ocean field]

yeah no mark is usefull gng

so it does not matter

or am I wrong

[frigid wedge]

alchemists mark is the flask one

[spice pecan]

oh shit no that's the good one

[frigid wedge]

poachers is better than i thought actually

[ocean field]

can the phys be reflected??

other than the small phys dmg I don't see that much use here

gng

[spice pecan]

you get frenzy charges

and mana on hit

[ocean field]

yeah mana on hit is good

frenzy I generate ez

[frigid wedge]

bro i dont think 40 flat phys is gonna be the part that ends ur life on reflect maps when ur build primarily scales inc lightning and inc ele