2┃build-planning

[next aurora]

The whole point of PoE and some other games in general is to be too much despite limitations

[alpine parrot]

For someone who never played monk but want to go martial artist, what kind of build/guide will u rec to test /to get use to campign and monk before 0.5?

[wheat vault]

someone can help me with grenades tactician?

[wintry umbra]

What was the bug?

[tender lance]

did this ms penalty feel pretty bad or not much of a QoL?

[wheat vault]

Im gonna use painter`s servent + trinity + explosive grenades but dont know how I will be able to deal light and cold damage to proc 100% from trinity

[pliant solar]

for banner focused builds it was horrible yes

its a big change for them

also for defiance banner of course

as it gives ms and you use it for traveling sometimes

[young cypress]

does anyknow if the raven skill stacks if you for example cast it + time snap + cast it again?

[tawdry orbit]

Apparently deep cuts 2 doesnt work correctly with it

[coarse crescent]

that didnt apply to any spell actually

[uncut bay]

I am not sure about lightning arrow anymore...twister is great and you can have your elemental ground as invoker easily though

[flat jungle]

Does frostbomb add its exposure to whispering ice? So do you get 110 exposure

[tawdry orbit]

mana flare is a support gem

[hoary bolt]

that triggers a spell

[proven rapids]

If i'm using eternal youth and have some life cost, will it permanently reset life recharge ?

[tawdry orbit]

It was flagged as a bug by ggg before 0.5 so idk what to tell you

[coarse crescent]

im just saying thats not a mana flare specific bug, its for all spells

[tawdry orbit]

ooooh

[unreal girder]

can totems proc life remnants?

[south cobalt]

Build knowers - what is the point of using damage conversions in poe? I understand that it allows to use different types of scalers (aka if you turn most of the physical damage to lightning, now you can use lightning scalers).

But generally speaking, doesn't conversion is just a thing that takes up a slot (at least in theory) and is less effective than using up every single slot of passives/gems/item mods for the original type to scale it the most?

In other words, conversion is just for allowing more interactions and scaling, it doesn't inherently give any advantage besides that, right?

[sharp thorn]

There are some benefits for some of the conversions.
For example people do Blackflame (either ring or a keystone) because it's easier to have lower chaos rez on enemies than fire rez.

But other than that yeah, no inherent benefits.

[south cobalt]

I see, thanks! This is my first time attempting to build a character on my own. Will be playing a monk league start (never played a monk before), and I want to start understanding how the builds function, how various skills work and how to scale things into the late game 😄

So I'm trying to crack things down one step at a time

[coarse crescent]

its pretty much all about the resistances and ailment the different types do

[south cobalt]

Could you elaborate on this a little bit, please? I know that there are different ailments, but what does that effectively mean in relation to conversions?

[alpine parrot]

just pick up a spear in lvl 2-3 and go twister build?

[coarse crescent]

if you want to have big ignites, its best to convert your damage to fire, cause then all your dmg goes into that, if you want to freeze enemies fast, its best to convert your damage into cold to deal more freeze buildup etc

[fringe lagoon]

Well say you have a skill that does mostly fire damage and have other skills in your kit that synergize with freezing (e.g. herald of ice), then converting to ice make it so the skill inflict freeze rather than ignite

[coarse crescent]

the ailments (other than shock for lightning) scale from the size of the hit

[sleek pivot]

I just use bow with lightning arrow/rod until i level up enough to go hollow palm at like lvl 25

[uncut bay]

watch theguythatdies on youtube, his twister campaign

[alpine parrot]

he started from amazon side of the perk tree tho
how would i go from monk side? just down?

[uncut bay]

sure

[fringe lagoon]

should be similar, just path to attack speed with one weapon set and attack/elemental damage on the other

[coarse crescent]

just just put "increased elemental/attack damage" into the search bar and path towards those clusters

[south cobalt]

Oooooh, I think I see what you mean, guys.

So for example if I pick "Storm wave" skill, it's basis is lightning damage and scaling through lightning + shock. So if I would have something that explodes, like an ice thing that leaves crystals that explode after time, to make the main skill (in this case Storm wave) to scale the most, I'd ideally want to convert those icy exploding things to then build up shock easier? At least in terms of the idea

[tulip fog]

which totems was it that required charges to be summoned? all of them or some specific ones?

[coarse crescent]

ancestreal and spell totem

[sharp thorn]

There aren't many of them, only Ancestral warriors and spell totems required charges in order to place them.

[tulip fog]

okay, thanks

[sharp thorn]

But people wanted to play spell totems without charges, so GGG decided that now they can cost spirit instead.

[tulip fog]

this doesnt apply to shockwave totem right? only "Ballista" totems?

[coarse crescent]

ancestreal bond was a bit weird previously, because it costet both charges and spirit and didnt even help you get much more limit than the base limit that those had

[coarse crescent]

yes, only ballistas

[tulip fog]

does tacticians ascendancy node apply to totems or only damage that tactician apply themselves?

[sharp thorn]

Well it kinda stayed the same while GGG added much more totem limit buffs.

[coarse crescent]

totems inherint your offensive stats, that counts for that

[tulip fog]

nice, thanks

[coarse crescent]

well for ancestreal warriors it is actually a limit nerf

but for spell totems its effectively the same limit

just needing spirit investment

[tulip fog]

i think i found an error in the PoE2 wiki, in one of the skill pages it says it was artillery ballista that got renamed to siege ballista and in the other it says it was the ripwire ballista that got renamed

[coarse crescent]

can you link that page? imma go look at it

[sharp thorn]

Basically, ripwire is now artillery and former artillery is siege.

[tulip fog]

its at the bottom where it lists changes, the "version history"
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Artillery_Ballista
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Siege_Ballista

[sharp thorn]

They both got renamed.

[coarse crescent]

oh yeah no tis correct

as butter man said

they did some janky renaming

[tulip fog]

ooh

i see

btw, does "loads an additional bolt" from crossbow, supports or passives transfer to the ballista too?

[coarse crescent]

they dont load any bolts

[novel hemlock]

There any particular reason why I wouldn't go Martial artist Wyvern?

[coarse crescent]

and dont realod

[tulip fog]

hmm, ok

bolt speed then?

[novel hemlock]

I feel like it should be alright

[coarse crescent]

uhh no real skill to use in hollow form i guess

[novel hemlock]

Wasn't planning on doing the hollow form stuff. Combo stuff, gloves, mountain thing

[coarse crescent]

that works

[coarse crescent]

pretty sure they arent using bolts atall

[tulip fog]

okay, good to know

[sharp thorn]

In that case it works if you avoid dragon breath.

[tulip fog]

since the skill description mentioned bolts i had to ask

[coarse crescent]

yea but i dont think its bolts for that purpose

not 100% sure tho

[novel hemlock]

what causes dragon breath to not work

[sharp thorn]

Rage sustain IG.

[novel hemlock]

Could just do eternal rage worst case, but yeah I can see that being a bit annoying

[sharp thorn]

All of it on the opposite side of passive tree from you.

[novel hemlock]

All you would have is the maji talisman, and maybe an annoint

[sharp thorn]

Eternal rage doesn't solve the problem that you cannot gain rage while doing dragon breath.

[past bobcat]

Am i genting baited bye ice shot deadye ?

[drifting cedar]

ice shot deadeye will be fine wdym

[novel hemlock]

fair enough

[sharp thorn]

It's allright. Just make sure you know how to craft your bow if you get hit by streamer tax.

[drifting cedar]

Other than the obvious stuff that doesn't work with talisman, are you planning to travel to top left tree or try to just use generic elemental/attack/projectile nodes around monk?

[coarse crescent]

you just go crit

[novel hemlock]

Would just go crit

[drifting cedar]

shapeshift notables are good but yeah that makes sense

[coarse crescent]

talismans have very big base crit and monk has the best spot for scaling crit

[drifting cedar]

I think wyvern and spear both make the most sense for non-qs/punch martial artist

there's probably a crazy boss melting tanky wyvern build in there somewhere

[coarse crescent]

i think maces are better than wyvern there ngl

[drifting cedar]

just for hollow form?

[coarse crescent]

slapping sunder into hollow form and bypassing its base attack speed is pretty juicy

or rolling slam

[drifting cedar]

I could never get into generals cry in poe1 but it should work

concerns about clear but I'm sure there are ways around it

[coarse crescent]

yea, its called herald chaining

and its not bee nerfed

the glove slot alone actually enables it already, since it gives you both gain as extra phys and cold

[drifting cedar]

I'm sure we will see mace monk arbiter 1 shots

[coarse crescent]

powercreep has gone to the moon and the pinnacles dont seem any weaker tbh

or tankier

we will see a lot of oneshots

[south cobalt]

Guys, what are the ways to chain multiple skills? As an example- there are some twister builds that basically when you spin, you start shooting air wave looking things in random directions, arc looking zaps in various directions and so on.

It looks like they are triggered in various ways. Are these proc'ed on stuff like "cast on" stuff?

[coarse crescent]

can you show an example

[drifting cedar]

Heralds? Elemental expression? too vague

post build

[south cobalt]

Fgkorbyn21 just did some maps with his build

Maybe this? https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/league-starter-hollow-palm-monk-fgkorbyn21

But it looks like it's a separate build some am not sure

[west pumice]

The air waves could be charged blade from the QS tree. That shoots blue waves out wherever you attack. Staggering palm with QS makes dust looking projectiles shoot out with each attack. Stuff like that

Not sure which specific thing you are talking about though

[south cobalt]

Yeah, so I was wondering how one singular skill (you click one button) can basically end up casting multiple things

It was just as an example

[coarse crescent]

thats a quarterstaff build

[south cobalt]

but I'm more curious about the idea/mechanic itself

not a specific build

[west pumice]

Like this type of thing?

[drifting cedar]

did you read that build guide?

[coarse crescent]

well there is many different things, could be a skill interaction, cast on, a buff, heralds etc

[drifting cedar]

he goes into using heralds and cast on crit in detail

[coarse crescent]

so its hard to narrow it down without seeing it

[south cobalt]

Yeah, the grey/dusty waves shooting out

[drifting cedar]

read the guide you posted and learn about various triggered skills. he's also just using a lot of skills

not one thing over and over

[south cobalt]

I assume here you click one skill right? And then as a result, multiple things happen

Either the exploding thing or the whirlwind/hurricane looking thing

[tulip fog]

anyone here that has played with ballista totems before? how quick totem placement time do you really need? do i need all of it? or can i stop at a certain time?

[coarse crescent]

thats staggering palm buff

[west pumice]

Some skills in a weapon set are specifically for buffing up other skills. In this case I'm using a skill called Charged blade which, using power charges, makes your weapon shoot out those blue beams with each attack for a set amount of time. The wind stuff coming out of my attack is from staggering palm, another QS skill. When I stun an enemy it makes all attacks shoot that projectile

[drifting cedar]

Basic mechanic then, meta skills trigger spells. Heralds trigger elemental effects. There are buffs happening which add effects to other skills. There's a reapers invocation instant casting spells when enough energy is gained from kills

[south cobalt]

Daaamn 😄 That will be a lot of stuff for me to figure out

I'm starting simple, but seeing all these crazy builds

that do seemingly a bunch of things in a very short amount of time

It's crazy

[drifting cedar]

quarterstaff invoker with triggers is maybe the flashiest build

[rapid star]

so do you guys have any good build makers to suggest me? I will try to wing an MA my self, but wanted a decent enough leveling build for monk, or i'll just go Wolfonk until I think MA would be viable lol

[drifting cedar]

outside of cast on crit comet just raining meteors maybe

[west pumice]

Most of these mechanics are shown to you in those skill videos. If there's any dual interactions going on it'll show you that interaction

[flat jungle]

Can i use 2 blasbhemy gems at the same time?

[drifting cedar]

just do twisters, crossbows, or shapeshift until ice strike

[rapid star]

Wolfonk it is

[south cobalt]

In this case, which videos you're referring to?

[west pumice]

In the game, each skill has a video that can play in game that gives you some info about the skill. Alot of those videos go into scenarios where the skill interacts with another skill in some way

[south cobalt]

Oh, I see. Nice! 🙂

Will look into them

[west pumice]

That's where I learned about the charged blade interaction with my other QS skills

[south cobalt]

Is there such a thing as a stronger and weaker spell or generally speaking, if you'd make all skills from lvl 20 gems, they'd be on a similar damage output level? and the only thing that would essentially matter is how well something scales (or what's possible)

In other words- are some skills meant to be sort of early game if that makes sense?

Or in theory, you can take any skill and build them up to be end game strong

[drifting cedar]

they vary wildly

[flat jungle]

Can i use 2 blasbhemy gems at the same time?

[south cobalt]

ohhh, ok. Are there like telling signs based on which you could tell if the skill is meant to be played end game and scaled well?

Maybe there are stats, numbers or something in the skill's tooltip that indicates that it does not scale well?

[west pumice]

Yeah it's very varied. And some skills have inherent abilities. For example with my crossbow Merc right now, rapid shot builds up heat while it's being used, that heat is than used by Explosive Grenade to make each grenade far more powerful. So, rapid shot is a weak fast firing attack but its the only thing that builds heat. So I found a use for rapid shot as a utility skill that electrocutes and pins enemies while building heat. Once I get enough heat I launch grenades that are 50% more powerful so they 3 shot campaign bosses in act 1 and 2 lol.

So, on its face rapid shot is a crappy skill that does little damage. On the other hand it enables another skill to be even better. So naturally I use them together.

I then mixed in black powder blitz, a skill that lets you flip around the screen on rocket boots but you cant sprint or dodge roll anymore. BUT, it detonates grenades where you take off. So I was like hey that actually sounds fun. Then I realized wait that means I can launch grenades and immediately jump ( dodge roll ) and it would be basically an auto detonator. That ended up being great tech. Rapid fire for heat building, electrocuting and pinning enemies, then throw out heated grenades that I can flip around to blow up right on bosses.

[drifting cedar]

If you want to get a feel for absolute min maxed endgame performance, go to poe ninja, set it to poe 2, and sort builds by dps. You can filter by ascendancy, spell, weapon type, whatever you want

but you're not just going to be able to eyeball it as a new player

the mechanics that make some builds over perform vs others are not usually visible in the skill tooltip

[west pumice]

This is me just showing how varied the gameplay can be. And various gameplay elements affect the damage of skills so it's hard to really answer the " best early skill " type question.

Every skill does have a base damage though yeah.

[south cobalt]

Holy damn! That looks hella nice to discover and build

[south cobalt]

Yeah, precisely this- I have no good base understanding of the game and why builds work so seeing what other people do don't really tell me much. I was a build following andy, and this time I actually want to give it a try myself

[drifting cedar]

You just gotta wing it!

[south cobalt]

That's fair! Yeah, I was just wondering if there are skills that are dedicated for late game, for example, and some that are late game due to, say, how they scale or how their base dmg is and you maybe could tell that by going to the skill's tooltip

[drifting cedar]

pick a skill, build it up, get as far as you can, then look at what other people are doing to push it further

context will help

[wise bluff]

does anyone know why it might cost more mana to use then written in skill tab

[tulip fog]

asking again since i didnt get an answer earlier, has anyone here played with ballista totems before? how quick totem placement time do you really need? do i need all of it? or can i stop at a certain placement time threshold?

[tulip fog]

some supports increases mana cost

have you checked if any of your equipped ones does?

[wise bluff]

yes i put them back and forth but it doesnt change anything

its momentum,brutality , ancestrall call

[dreamy cobalt]

You mean unsocketing them or just changing their positions (the latter does nothing)?

[wise bluff]

ohhh maybe it is Cost Multiplier: 120% in ancestrall call but still it would be 92.4

[wise bluff]

unsocketin

[dreamy cobalt]

Don't remember off the top of my head but they have mana multiplier i think, also you have +level to your gems from somewhere that changes cost too iirc

[wise bluff]

oke i will try to play with it still

ok nvm im stupid all of them take like *1.2 so it makes sense

[tulip fog]

this doesnt affect immobilisation buildup right? i.e. freeze, electrocute or pin?

[dreamy cobalt]

it does afaik, lowering elemental ailment threshold makes it easier to for your hits to apply the relevant elemental ailment (freeze/electrocute) so it builds easier.

[tulip fog]

okay, so it only works for freeze and electrocute then? not pin?

[dreamy cobalt]

not for pin no but for yes stun which is also an immobilisation

[tulip fog]

hmm

can totems gain my rage (or benefit from me having it) ?

[dreamy cobalt]

i don't know haven't played totems/ballista's i'm assuming you're looking into tactician ballista stuff though?

[tulip fog]

yeah, im looking at making a tactician artillery ballista build that pins enemies, which makes them unable to do any actions during the pin, so im trying to maximize the damage and the pin buildup and the pin duration

which is why im looking at many different options

[dreamy cobalt]

well since projectile damage pins with tactician you can also apply pin from any projectile damage (elemental, chaos, phys) and you get more immobilisation build up before that node

[tulip fog]

all the damage im doing right now is physical, and it would probably be a quite heavy investment to convert all of it to elemental damage so that i can use a curse for lowering resistances or something similar

[strong flower]

Which ascendency si best for Werwolf builds?

[dreamy cobalt]

you don't need to convert though, for example your damage from gain % extra would also apply/assist in pin i believe, the point is any projectile damage builds pin with tactician as long as the damage comes from a projectile source, also some skills have inbuilt conversion

[tulip fog]

does skill effect duration increase pin duration?

[dreamy cobalt]

"Changes to the stat skill effect duration will only affect the duration of skills with the duration tag."

[tulip fog]

so it wont affect things like pin, stun, ailments etc then, ok

[dreamy cobalt]

not necessarily, it doesn't affect pin for your case but it affects say essence drain and the length of it's debuff

[astral grove]

any sunder builds floating around?

[ruby flume]

is the maximum amount of movement speed we can get on boots 48% currently?

35% roll + 5% Farrul of Chase + 60% Essence of Horror = 48%

Is it possible to Santify it to get it above 48%? is there another way to obtain more than 48% ?

[fringe lagoon]

Yeah you can sanctify the 35% roll

[ruby flume]

Very nice, thanks.

[fringe lagoon]

You can also roll movement speed corruption

[ruby flume]

on top of a 20% Santified? or it has to be strictly either one or the other as of the current game version?

[gaunt ether]

im seeing some spell totem videos pop up with new keystone passive, why even bother going though a totem instead of just casting it yourself?

[fringe lagoon]

It's either that or sanctified I guess

[gaunt ether]

like spark totems why even bother lol

[dreamy cobalt]

Because you can get multiple totems out with investment to cast the spell and the projectiles shotgun, its a vector for scaling damage that makes it easier to do absurd damage numbers than self casting

[fringe lagoon]

Beside trying something new, 6 totems that cast for you should account for some dmg, especially for bosses. Also there are some interesting interactions by not having to pay cost of spells (beside the implicit benefit of not having to pay for them), such as infernalist Grimming immolation or DMG scaling with archmage / rathpith with no downside

[gaunt ether]

maybe im just being obtuse, but the way im seeing it, unless it casts something thats just annoying asf to self cast it just seems redundant. like comet

seeing as bosses in this game topple over in seconds

[ruby flume]

if one of my stat on gear has a value of 3.6%, is the game rounding it up to 4% or it's instead rounded down to 3% ?

[fringe lagoon]

Can't really go from end to campaign to t3 pinnacle with mid gear and low levels, so I welcome any extra source of dps especially early league start

[dreamy cobalt]

Well totems are a different playstyle than self cast much like traps/mines not casting the skill yourself has certain benefits like Vomi mentioned. For example in PoE1 you don't have to deal with damage reflection. Its a safer playstyle since you just put the totem down and dodge stuff etc

[gaunt ether]

thats fair, id imagine its much easier to scale on a budget

trying poe 1 made me want to try totems in 2 since sunder feels like ass compared to 1

[fringe lagoon]

Totem clear will very likely be worse than coc comet or builds like that, we'll see what we can build with the changes that GGG made

If interested more or wanna check some experimental pobs feel free to checkout https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1507196579575107645

[gaunt ether]

hopefully the new spell skills come out crazy, getting a bit bored with what we have currently

o wait that wont be possible right since you need the new resource on armor, and its not self casted

[dreamy cobalt]

You mean the ward based kalguuran skills?

[fringe lagoon]

Round down AFAIK

[gaunt ether]

yeah

[ruby flume]

ok thanks

[gaunt ether]

or would it since ancestral bond says no cost

oops mixed up guard and ward

[dreamy cobalt]

Yes it says there is no cost to putting down the totem, but idk if you can use the ward skills since the totems don't have ward to spend

[uncut bay]

what do you guys think is the ranking of ascendancies for spark builds?

[fringe lagoon]

i don't think spell totem would need to consume any resource to cast spells anyway.. if my comet costs 1k mana and i have 100 mana I believe the totem would still cast it

[gaunt ether]

hopefully

[gaunt ether]

ive seen pathfinder, stormweaver if you like infusion gameplay

[dreamy cobalt]

Iirc you can't use for example a skill that needs charge consumption with totems, since totems don't generate charges, it's kind of like that

[next aurora]

1. No ascendancy monk
2. Scion
3. Infernalist with no mana, and also no Demonflame
4. Chaos Inoculation
5. Shaman
6. Spark

[fringe lagoon]

BM one if not the best probably, thanks to 15% crit chance and the extra crit multi

[uncut bay]

wtf is that?

[gaunt ether]

or just normal bloodmage

[fringe lagoon]

yeah but skills won't "cost" charges, the description of the skill would say that it consume it. ward on kalguuran skills is listed as a cost, like mana is

[next aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/257958928237854721/1319440248005984297/3.gif

[dreamy cobalt]

Oh good catch.

[next aurora]

I'm sure in the future there will be ward that can be shenanigan'd onto totems, but we'll have to see if that's possible with the new uniques and such

[uncut bay]

isn't BM just weaker than other ascendancies if the life leech doesn't let you cast more comets than other ascendancies?

[next aurora]

I can't imagine totems having ward by default

[dreamy cobalt]

I don't remember since I didn't play that league but did totems use life for forbidden rite in expedition league in PoE1?

[fringe lagoon]

Life leech notes are weaker than 0.4 ofc, it depends how much you value overall +6% base crit on spark, extra hp and crit multi

[next aurora]

No, but I believe that wasn't functioning as intended and wasn't actually supposed to work

[dreamy cobalt]

If they didn't and bypassed that mechanic idk maybe the ward cost is circumventable with totems

[next aurora]

Considering totems shouldn't be able to reserve

[fringe lagoon]

they would not have ward, but they would have the ability to cast a spell that costs ward I think

[uncut bay]

alright then. to me it seems like infernalist > lich > abyssal lich > stormweaver > varashta > chronomancer, but I am still thinking, it's so hard to say

[fringe lagoon]

Interesting take

[uncut bay]

but that's because i am also valuing the movement speed of infernalist and lich

[fringe lagoon]

New Chrono is not to be underestimated with cascade/echo and dmg reduction

[next aurora]

I have no clue how you can think abyssal lich should be on this list, unless it's for nothing that's abyssal lich specific

[fringe lagoon]

Yeah depends on what you value the most (defenses, damage, qol etc..)

[uncut bay]

well that passive seems like 20% more damage and then you got like 30% increased cast speed on average, that's really low on the damage side

[fringe lagoon]

The Now and Again Notable Passive Skill has been reworked, It now grants Cascadable Spells have a 20% chance to Echo, and Repeatable Spells have a 20% chance to Repeat.

[dreamy cobalt]

Idk I'm just excited to go full bruce lee again after a couple leagues of not playing monk

[fringe lagoon]

40% more dmg does not seem low from ascendancy node

[uncut bay]

what do you mean 40% why not 20%?

[fringe lagoon]

Mmm I assumed comet is both cascadable and repeatable but mabe that is not the case

[next aurora]

The spell echo/repeat notable on new Chrono is 44% more dps not 40% btw

[true estuary]

Is abyssal lich plants a bait build lol

[next aurora]

Abyssal lich is a bait ascendancy

[uncut bay]

not at all, but it requires good gear, hard to league start

[dreamy cobalt]

Plants are good but why abyssal lich lol

[uncut bay]

oh damn, I didn't think of that, need to check that

[near cobalt]

plants ? go oracle

[true estuary]

It's got a node that causes cursed enemies to explode for phys that's my guess anyway

[uncut bay]

yeah I don't get deadrabbit either, abyssal lich only makes sense with twisters to me, maybe spark

if you want plants go varashta

[dreamy cobalt]

Oracle plants are untouched mostly (shock conduction II is gone) rest is fine

The es recharge stuff will hurt though

[fringe lagoon]

ES recharge on varashta node was not touched tho, so it's more of a problem for non varashta ES builds 😄

[next aurora]

Genuinely, everything is better on an ascendancy other than abyssal lich rn. The phys version of on-kill explosions is worse due to armour mitigation applying, the entire altered branch for abyssal lich with offering/umbral souls is worse investment scaling than other builds for similar effects due to what each soul actually does, and the Apparition is only worse due to it having targeting that you can't control instead of straight 40% more damage

Everything else on abyssal lich is just regular lich

You can get abyssal lich builds to function, but they won't be better than any other ascendancy

[true estuary]

Does plant oracle have more survivability than lich?

[next aurora]

OH yeah

[dreamy cobalt]

I'm starting martial artist hollow palm just gonna level with xbows or smth till i get the node

[next aurora]

Way more

[true estuary]

Well shit

[dreamy cobalt]

Yes

The node before the inevitable crit stuff is very good

[uncut bay]

lich side of the passive tree has way more ES passives, also lich got 15% damage reduction

[next aurora]

I really hope they alter abyssal lich more before release, but currently it's worse lich in every way

And the one thing that makes it interesting (umbral souls) has great value, but bad direction for what they do

Also Umbral Souls defeats the purpose of the culling thing that comes immediately after it

By virtue of making it so you can only cull for offerings, and that means rarely in boss fights if ever

[dreamy cobalt]

I just stole the abyssal lich stuff for the cosmetic alteration in . 3 ngl 🤣

[next aurora]

Best use case

[acoustic lava]

Me and my friend have played duo's for a couple of leagues, but this one we want to try a true carry support setup, what support/carry would be best, rn we are leaning to iceshot and support chrono, but we arent sure if their are better synergys that we could build towards.

[dreamy cobalt]

Tactician has some banner shenanigans for party play no? Not that I've tried

[next aurora]

A culling witch hunter build + chrono would go hard. Chrono fights and shuts down bosses, the friend applies debuffs and culls the boss. Also the clear is mostly relegated to cull while the chrono supports with things like Time Freeze

[acoustic lava]

we were talking about that but isnt cull value cut in half in team play?

[next aurora]

I don't believe so?

Where did you see that?

[dreamy cobalt]

Nope. Pretty sure it works as normal. Atleast it did in 0.1 when I had a friend playing a cull/raritybot

[acoustic lava]

hmmm

[next aurora]

I can't find anything on that, it might be on the multiplayer tooltip if it's anywhere

But that would be a surprising change

[dreamy cobalt]

Yeah

[acoustic lava]

I see this post, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3704745

but idk if its true or not

[dreamy cobalt]

Thats a feedback suggestion not a patched feature

[acoustic lava]

Yea, but he is saying that it currently is very bad and wants it to be better

Currently Culling Strike is almost unusable in multiplayer due to it having very low thresholds as more players join the group. Currently I believe it is simply divided by the number of players which sounds good on paper but does not work effectively in practice.

but he may be wrong

[next aurora]

The guy is making a recommendation to alter current systems, not stating it should be added

[acoustic lava]

Ill have to test with my friend

[next aurora]

You'll probably have to

[acoustic lava]

ill do that, if cull and decimating strike work then it would go crazy

[next aurora]

Culling strike builds in 0.4 are cheap if you want to try to make one with an existing character to test

[dreamy cobalt]

Another carry type build that worked atleast was ritualist spark unless that got gutted

I think that used rathpith though and that was changed in the 0.5 patchnotes i think?

[uncut bay]

ritualist spark was never meta, but it was fine in 0.3 and 0.4 because you can stack rarity, life and mana easier

other ascendancies were still better

[next aurora]

Rathpith only got a bug fix that allowed a mechanic to work, and a change to life cost efficiency

[dreamy cobalt]

Yeah I never claimed it was better or the best I just remember it working in juiced party play as a carry character

[dreamy cobalt]

Ahh

[uncut bay]

it was the build itself dealing insane damage

[dreamy cobalt]

Are there any spell based monk builds? I'm just wondering in case I get bored of melee again and want to pivot to something else. Preferrably not CoC or comet.

[next aurora]

You could throw on temporalis and do a crit spellcaster with hollow resonance

[dreamy cobalt]

Hmmm i was thinking of crit spellcast but i didn't consider those two

[next aurora]

The only problem with that is that spell damage won't affect the bell's damage

[dreamy cobalt]

Hollow resonance is the new martial artist channel skill right?

[next aurora]

But you could go mono ele

[next aurora]

Hollow resonance is the bell on your back

[dreamy cobalt]

Oh right

[next aurora]

It triggers off of any skill crit

Hollow Form (the channel) only works with attacks

[dreamy cobalt]

My dream of spending charges to kamehameha has been ruined now

[next aurora]

You can still kamehameha, just not the Father Son version

Actually

Technically you could do it on Abyssal lich

And it works, even if it's bad

[dreamy cobalt]

The one time abyssal lich is actually useful LMAO

[next aurora]

Abyssal lich is phenomenal to thematics

Just statistically worse than no-ascendancy monk given the tree placement

Honestly I wonder if ele bleed blood mage is a sleeper at this point

Time to check ninja

[dreamy cobalt]

Lightning spear bleed or spells?

[next aurora]

Yeah ele bleed blood mage is still being slept on despite the sheer volume of blood mages

People are just running high damage instead of bleed as far as I can tell

Yeah blood barbs is only 9% of blood mages

Which is funny considering how broken that ascendancy notable is

[dreamy cobalt]

They changed monster bleed but not player bleed right in the notes?

[next aurora]

Yeah

Players don't aggravate with movement anymore

Only monsters take aggravated bleed when moving now

Which I personally don't like, but that's because I'm not a fan of core mechanic asymmetry

[dreamy cobalt]

Yeah it feels a bit weird :((

[next aurora]

At least it's not as bad as PoE 1 charges

[dreamy cobalt]

I haven't played poe1 since poe2 launched EA and I don't think I'll play it again poe2 just scratches the itch right for me atm

What happened to poe1 charges?

[next aurora]

PoE 1 charges since at least Betrayal (when I started playing) have had a statiscialy difference between player and monster charges

On monsters charges are boosted like fucking crazy in power

[dreamy cobalt]

Ohhh yeah the way they scaled

I thought some new thing was added or changed

[next aurora]

Nah

[dreamy cobalt]

Last poe1 league I played was the lantern league can't remember the name now

[next aurora]

Mirage was fun

That was the newest poe 1 league

[dreamy cobalt]

Ahh

[next aurora]

I'm trying to think of other interesting builds around gemling, but it's going to be difficult without know alt qualities

[dreamy cobalt]

Gemling shapeshifter or companions?

[next aurora]

Neither

[dreamy cobalt]

No I mean i was suggesting those outside of like twister stuff

[next aurora]

Oh sorry lol

[dreamy cobalt]

There's a couple presence nodes nearby merc iirc too

[next aurora]

I might try an undying hate gemling minioner

Merc has been the best jewel socket for undying hate tribute since the jewel's release anyways

Merc has the most tribute, oracle specifically has the most transformable notables

[dreamy cobalt]

Oh with the kulemak keystone?

[next aurora]

The abyss timeless jewel yeah

Honestly kinda hard to get that thing worth using unless you get either extremely lucky

I kinda wish they'd make titan's 50% affect tribute

[dreamy cobalt]

Ngl every undying hate I've dropped I've sold

[next aurora]

It's only useful for the keystones mostly

[dreamy cobalt]

I only put one in today just to see what the keystone i got was lmao

[next aurora]

I've spent about 40 hours getting both abyssal lich and undying hate to work, and 20 of those is overlapped

[dreamy cobalt]

Did it result in kamehameha?

[next aurora]

The keystone is always tied to the influence on it

[next aurora]

No, both the jewel and abyssal lich are ass

But with gemling at least you can just not care about attribute requirements on gems

Also, requires the least pathing to the best socket on the tree for the jewel

So maybe this league it's got something to it?

The biggest use case for undying hate is the deferred damage keystone

Absolutely phenomenal when combined with recoup

It's how I got my all max hit on my blood mage to be 20k

[dreamy cobalt]

Ahh i see

[next aurora]

20k all max hit with 2 mil bleed dps in 0.3 was fun

[honest grail]

20k ele max hit is pretty low

[next aurora]

Yeah but it's servicable for most content

As a flameblaster it didn't really matter because enemies couldn't get close to me

I think I died in maps 2 times

[ruby flume]

anyone know if this belt can be obtained in POE2 and how? it's on poe2db

[exotic compass]

It's not in the game rn

[next aurora]

Nothing on poe trade, so it's likely a datamined page

[exotic compass]

And I can't imagine they'd add it given they are removing rarity but then again I thought a sword in a teaser meant swords were coming, so yeah

[next aurora]

You FOOL

We aren't getting new weapons until 3 leagues AFTER release

[ruby flume]

Thanks for the replies 🍻

[granite plaza]

Do minions I get from using unearth, count towards "cast on minion death"?

[void horizon]

I am really struggling to decide what to play for the upcoming league. I played a lot in .1, came back and played a little bit of druid bear but didn't finish the campaign. I am planning to try to hit the new endgame pretty hard, but I really just have time to play a single character. I am stuck between martial artist and spirit walker, like a lot of people I am sure, but also varashta seems cool. I really just want to play something that will be easy in the campaign and transition to endgame reasonably well and have affordable gear. But also taming bosses seems cool. This is a lot lol but was wondering if anyone had any ideas/direction to convince me of something

[exotic compass]

In softcore trade assuming you are not racing, there will always be cheap mid tier gear. 100 life and some resists or attributes and move on to the next slot

Most builds, especially those being practiced widespread right now, can handle t15 content with basic 100 life gear, resistance cap, 30+ chaos resistance, and SOME mitigation

2.5k HP and good clear and you'll do fine, if clear is worse you'd want better defenses.

Personally I think Way of the Mountain looks very strong, in addition to the gloves upgrade and other passives from martial artist you probably can't go wrong with it

Spirit Walker you'd have to be in love with the unique boss taming or spirit buffs, if not then don't run it

Bows, grenades, twisters, all solid spirit Walker options

Qstaff and mace have enough skills to try between them, especially whirling assault, I'd be trying that ASAP if you havent

[void horizon]

Punching stuff is what my heart says. I saw the bell build with quarterstaff and the channeling whirling slash build that they showcased. Has anyone come up with something that just uses punching with a martial artist? That is probably a dumb question lol

In .1 I played ice strike/bell invoker (on vibes but then it ended up being op), and I really liked it. Is there any reason to run martial artist and do punching and just use like a quarterstaff skill I like?

[exotic compass]

Read every node that martial artist provides, we have the info as of yesterday

Hollow palm the keystone is typically better for campaign and leads to faster, but weaker hits compared to a typical quarterstaff

[fickle orbit]

Just to clarify - i know how this works in POE1, but not totally sure about POE2. If i am a minion build, and i get something that says "10% less damage", then this less damage only affects me, not my minions, right?

(again, i know thats how it works in poe 1, just want to clarify specifically about poe2)

[exotic compass]

Your minions would have to be hit by the debuff afaik

Like enfeeble curse

[fickle orbit]

im thinking more in lines of unique item/passive on tree

if it just says generic "less damage", then thats just me, its not passed to minions?

[exotic compass]

They would have to be hit by the debuff, in this case the passives are not hitting them they are hitting you yeah

[fickle orbit]

cool thanks for confirming

[granite plaza]

Can I put infernal legion and brutus' brain on a minion just to proc fire, or would brutus' brain cancel that out?

[twilit schooner]

POE2 will get a fishing boss before we get every ascendancy/weapon, im calling it

[remote spruce]

anyone know if prized pain would work with ancestral warrior totems if i run crown of the pale king?

[twilit schooner]

Totems are not "You"

so probably not

[quartz pewter]

They already said ideally they would want the Druid and Ranger 3rd ascendancy done by 1.0

[twilit schooner]

Where Marauder? Where Shadow? Where Duelist? Where Templar?...
Calling it we will get Fishing Boss before we get all those classes and the ascendancies/weapons that go with them

Krillson Boss would be Peak PoE2

[quartz pewter]

Read what you wrote.. ascendancy.. not class

[twilit schooner]

How do they add EVERY Ascendancy, without Adding the Classes required for them

[fading flicker]

one new class we're getting by 1.0

rogers said so himself

[twilit schooner]

Yeah Duelist and swords most likely

[fading flicker]

yeah prolly

archetype wise would make most sense

id love to see traps out of any not yet added thing

[twilit schooner]

Traps will come with Shadow/Assassin most likely along with Daggers

[flat jungle]

How good is ice nova for generating power for COC?

Im thinking for my frost darts build dropping whispering ice and self cast frost darts for ice nova and a diffrent staff

[twilit schooner]

idk but that made me think. Three Dragons> Ice Nova + Frost Fire Support + Frostflame Nova Combo

Ice Nova Ignites... and Consumes Freeze to Ignite harder... Frost Flame Freezes ignited Enemies...

Or Biting Frost 2 for more dps instead of Frostfire

[flat jungle]

And how does ice nova ignite

[twilit schooner]

Three Dragons

[flat jungle]

But than you cant freeze anymore

[twilit schooner]

No... It onyl changes what elements build up Freze. Frostflame doesnt build on elemental

The Ignite itself builds up the freeze

[flat jungle]

Idk you cant be sure

[dreamy bridge]

what about eye of winter for coc energy?

[flat jungle]

And why frostflame in the first place while frostflame is active you cant reignte the enemy so you cast ice nova on an unfrozen enemy that ignites him than frostflame nova that builds freeze but prevents the ignite from beeing overriden by a stronger one

[flat jungle]

Than frost darts has better clear than that bs

[twilit schooner]

You consume the Freeze with Ice Nova, and I would assume it removes the block from being reignited

I assume the Freeze from Frost flame is whats preventing further ignites. If the Ignite itself gets changed then you would be right and its useless

[dreamy bridge]

eternal flame 3

[flat jungle]

Why i think that line clearly says you cant reignite

[dreamy bridge]

eternal flame 3 has a chance to reset the duration on crit

[flat jungle]

It doesnt say anything about freeze it says until ignite expires

[flat jungle]

I think frostflame prevents that aswell

[twilit schooner]

The Ice that "latches on" is what I assume the skill is tied to, not the Ignite. Like Shattering Palm Shards or any other effect that attaches to an enemy.

You remove the Ice by consuming the Freeze it creates, it should remove that effect

[flat jungle]

But you still dont know if the freeze is based on cold dmg or on the ignite

[dreamy bridge]

hmm. ok frostflame will not freeze because it deals cold damage

[twilit schooner]

+10% additive freeze build up per 1% of enemy ailment threshold dealt by the ignite

[dreamy bridge]

look at the triggered part

[twilit schooner]

Not Increased, More

[dreamy bridge]

it deals cold damage, not basing the buildup on the ignite. it deals its own damage

it will build flammability and ignite, not freeze

[flat jungle]

No its more buildup not flat freeze

[twilit schooner]

Ok maybe i misunderstood that.. I assumed it added 10% freeze buildup per 1% of ailment threshold dealt by the ignite

due to the more

hmm

[hidden gull]

is DeadRabbit reliable/legit?

[flat jungle]

Yes

[dreamy bridge]

haven't followed a build by him, but based on content he seems trustworthy

[hidden gull]

I’m a bit nervous following builds from people don’t don’t play poe1

[twilit schooner]

I haven't played with combo for a bit, Can skills that use combo build combo... For example if I put Combo Finisher on Whirling Assault, Using the skill expends the combo, will the hits build combo?

[granite plaza]

Is wildshards II or Chain II better for powered zealot specters?

[quartz pewter]

I ran Pierce 3, Wildshards 2, Feeding Frenzy, Muster, and Minion Mastery. Seems really good

[blissful dirge]

Hi! Can anyone recommend me one-two button league starters for 0.5?

[soft stag]

i really want to do a poison flame breath build is that even possible? i was thinking original sin ring to convert fire to chaos but i don't think that would work well with flame breath since physical is getting converted into fire

[twilit schooner]

Plaguefingers gloves?

[soft stag]

🤔 hmmmm

[gusty bone]

If I use the channeling skill of the Martial Artist that summons illusions that casts skills.
And I use Shield Wall with that skill, who owns these shield walls, me or the illusions?

[cedar aspen]

Wouldn’t work I don’t think. New changes say they won’t cause elemental ailments, even if they did use Blackflame Ring too

[twilit schooner]

"Cannot inflict Elemental Ailments" that doesnt mean the Fire damage from hits cannot poison

Poison is not elemental

[fading flicker]

man picking a starter is painnnn

[vivid kiln]

Anyone knows when PoB 2 will be updated ?

[twilit schooner]

a day or two after league launch/patch

[vivid kiln]

After ? Oh. I guess they can't access the change file yet. Ty !

[fading flicker]

pretty sure they working on it so that its good to go for launch

because of the new feature

[uncut bay]

I mean, yes, he is great, but I doubt abyssal lich is anywhere close to optimal for plants
for plants the best ascendancies gotta be lich and varashta imo

[twilit schooner]

Unless GGG gives them all the info prior to the patch, which might be the case with the new .build file support. They usually datamine the patch day of launch and then update POB, and with just how much content is being added I'm willing to bet it will be updated that Saturday or Sunday, with further smaller updates that week after launch

[unreal girder]

What would be the best way to level bloodmage to transition to spell totems later?

[fading flicker]

only heard praise abuot his builds tho (dont rly follow the guy or tried his stuff but yeah)

tho seems like most ppl sleep on abyssal, a lot of power in that thang

[uncut bay]

a lot of power for spark and twister

[past bobcat]

Why would I pick disciple of varasha over oracle for my plant build ? What are the pros and cons ?

[uncut bay]

oracle is nice for cast on crit, but cast on crit is not very important with plants, varashta doubles your crit chance because entangle hits the enemy really fast and applies critical weakness, that's already an insane buff, and then she has access to a few more notables for her time-lost jewel and she is by far the tankiest ascendancy, I mean she got -1 to ES recharge delay and 2 great sources of ES recharge rate

her passive tree side is better too and she has an easier league start because you can start as stormweaver first then reroll into varashta

[past bobcat]

Ok thanks but i pman yo play plant form a to z until il reroll to a endgame build

[past bobcat]

I am juste afraid that the nerf to es is to impactfull

[uncut bay]

ES is fine, especially on Varashta, I mean it's much weaker now, but now it will probably feel as tanky as armor and evasion

[agile egret]

Can you generate glory for a skill that is not active due to weapon swap?

[halcyon basin]

It seems like the big question is varashta vs abyssal lich for plants at this point what would you say?

[uncut bay]

omg I am starting to hate deadrabbit already a bit 😄

I have no idea what abyssal lich has to do with plants personally

I would pick between varashta, lich and infernalist personally

[halcyon basin]

You wrote normal lich lol

Yeah abyssal is just the rupture damage being phys instead of chaos

And being scalable by global phys damage you take anyway

[uncut bay]

ahhh my bad, so no umbral souls, okay yeah both abyssal lich and lich make sense then

[halcyon basin]

But could you explain plant infernalist to me that one i havent heard yet

[uncut bay]

infernalist has to sacrifice headhunter, but you get x1,5 and x1,3 crit damage multipliers, x1,3 for all damage, 35% increased cast speed, waaay more spirit and like 30% additional movement speed like lich

so this is by far the most damage, you can mitigate ignites as well, but no extra tankiness and no headhunter

oh and he also gets all the extra damage from that low life support as well which is even better on entangle

[halcyon basin]

So bassically a offensive version of lich

Interesting

Might be worth a lategame switch From lich

When gear is good enough to solve defensives well

[uncut bay]

infernalist's amount of extra spirit is enough for blasphemy + some spirit support though, and blasphemy makes you much tankier, so

[halcyon basin]

Lich also takes blasphemy

Or rather can take since you dont have to coc

[uncut bay]

sure, I just mean extra spirit can be used to get an additional curse or anything else useful

[halcyon basin]

Fair

[uncut bay]

and honestly, I just love the way demon form looks

[halcyon basin]

I hope the blasphemy deactivating on map entry bug is fixed

Yeah i feel you ,
havent played it yet but definitely on my to do list

[uncut bay]

I haven't played infernalist??

[halcyon basin]

I didnt yet

[uncut bay]

okay, that was a wild claim 😄

[halcyon basin]

Oh sorry

There is a , missing

See

Now it works xD

But thanks was contemplating lich vs varashta and the infernalist lategame angle tipped it over to lich for me

[uncut bay]

you are welcome. infernalist is 100% the most underrated, slept on ascendancy in the game's history @coarse crescent

[alpine fulcrum]

dont forget to say blood mage bad to increase coool summoning chances

[coarse crescent]

what is happening right here

[uncut bay]

I just have successfully converted another guy to our infernalist church

[coarse crescent]

Bestfernalist *

[uncut bay]

chadfernalist

[tulip fog]

is artillery ballista not meant to be a main damage skill or is the damage calc for it not showing correctly in PoB?
i have a decent crossbow equipped and a decent amount of damage increases but it says its damage doesnt go above 5k...

[coarse crescent]

that could very well be a pob problem, look into the calculations tab and see if something seems off

[tulip fog]

idk what could be off about it

[coarse crescent]

ah yeah nvm, artillery ballistas are supposed to not deal a lot of dmg if the enemy isnt pinned

its 7x dmg when pinned

for pinning*

[swift lintel]

That is not what that skill does lulw

[coarse crescent]

they are a utility ballistas

[coarse crescent]

yea i corrected myself

[swift lintel]

Agree tho its a utility ballista but also pob is per bolt per ballista

[coarse crescent]

yea it hits 4 times each shot

had too look up the skill again because iw as thinking of siege

[tulip fog]

ah, so its not meant to be a main damage skill?

[swift lintel]

Its got 40% base DE at level 20

With some terrible aspd modifier i forget what

[coarse crescent]

0.25 yea

[tulip fog]

i wonder if theres any way at all to make them viable with such bad DE and aspd modifier

[coarse crescent]

they are mainly to use in conjunction with siege cascade for you

[past bobcat]

Lich seems off on this build

[neon hinge]

I just realized that, coming from PoE1, my currently planed build has next to no mitigation of ailments, Stuns or other debuffs. Do you have any recommendations for debuffs that I should absolutly try to mitigate?

[uncut bay]

basically you need either lots of life, evasion or % of ES is stun threshold. and then a thawing charm, maybe an anti bleed charm, if you are running ES then an anti poison if no CI

[tulip fog]

i wonder if the new corrupted blood warcry cupports are going to be viable now that they have a scaling for level

[neon hinge]

I will be running a Hybrid Life/ES build with around 2500 life and 3500 ES. This sounds like I need to mitigate stuns a bit and freeze. I am not worried about damag eover times yet as my recovery is a main point of my build. I will look into Stund and Freeze mitigations. Thanks!

This seems perfect for low investment mitigation. Kinda preventing stun locks at least.

This for Freeze maybe? Might skill the other 2 notables while at it.

[granite marsh]

Does Blood Mage's "Spell Damage Leech" works of Spell Totem damage in 0.4?

[uncut bay]

wtf is this? this is bad

[odd vault]

What is a league starter build that is certain to be good? i just got a deadye to maps, but i found it really hard to do the snipe thingy. so is there a build, that is easy and 100% good next season?

[uncut bay]

every league it's essence drain lich, it's goated

[uncut bay]

this is also bad

[neon hinge]

Interesting. What are better alternatives?

[odd vault]

Is that like a sure build to league start? and does it requre me to press alot of buttons?

[uncut bay]

yes it will be for sure goated next league. it's a 3 button build on average I would say

[odd vault]

thank you, i will try it out

[uncut bay]

you don't really go for anti freeze passives because an anti freeze charm solves the issue, I mean if you have maybe 8k+ ES you can take the passives that give you ailment threshold based on ES, but not necessary

[neon hinge]

I am not using Charms

[neon hinge]

I have 3.5k Es

[uncut bay]

depends on your overall life, I would personally just stack some reduced freeze duration on boots/against the darkness

but usually charms are the way to go

[neon hinge]

"I will be running a Hybrid Life/ES build with around 2500 life and 3500 ES"

[uncut bay]

you want to avoid stuns altogether, not just prevent stunlocks, so with 2,5k life you can just find some other passive that increases your stun threshold

[neon hinge]

I have been trying to find the Light Stun Equation but was not able to. Do you know where I can find it?

[uncut bay]

it depends on your max life, idk

[neon hinge]

I am assuming the most important hits to be stun immune to are small hits from swarming enemies.

[uncut bay]

yes

[neon hinge]

Ok, Now I just need to find out what the usual damage numbers are fo rthat.

I know db has a page with Monster stats but I struggle to fin it.

[sleek slate]

does anyone have a tip on starting archon manually? i have a monk with meditate and my plan was to have meditate on the second set, then have more energy shield on set two so that it would have a bar missing when it swapped that meditate would instantly start regenning. buuuuut didnt work for some reason the energy shield regens by itself but like only sometimes. its wierd. how do you guys do it?

[rich bolt]

So I have 2 ideas for builds that will use the new unique base upgrading feature and would like some help with skills/ascendancy to choose for them. First would be stacking poisons with Splinter of Loratta as the weakest base spear it should get a lot of extra phys damage to help scaling. I'm thinking chonk for the purple flames.

Second is doomfletch if it gets a solid amount of base phys when upgrading that 100% gain of each element seems like it would be fairly strong.

[tulip fog]

does "Killing Palm" skill not use the damage of your equipped quarterstaff?
or is it because i have not allocated enough skillpoints yet?

[tulip fog]

looks like it thinks weapon base damage is 2 to 5?

[uncut bay]

I doubt

[tulip fog]

man, this ruins the build for me, dangit

[flat jungle]

What can wolfpack do? Cull what else

[uncut bay]

just a reminder that adonia's ego exists if someone is trying to pick a spellcasting build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PoMlmbn29A&t=108s

[gaunt ether]

Is there a way to make minions “faster”? Feels like theres such a delay in their attacks

[neon hinge]

Are we still not allowed to swap ascendencies or can I pick "the best" starter available to my base class?

[uncut bay]

you can swap ascedancies

[neon hinge]

neat

[tulip fog]

you would need to do the entire ascendancy trial again (on the last difficulty you completed it at, i.e. if you have 4 points you need to do it at the second difficulty) to swap ascendancies but yes its possible

[twilit schooner]

Do you use the "Ascension device" or still talk to them to respec

[tulip fog]

talk to them to unspec all ascendancy points then use the ascendancy device

[twilit schooner]

gotcha

[tulip fog]

you cant swap unless all ascendancy points are unspecced

[twilit schooner]

I got that i was just wondering if it changed from the original post GGG made about it

[tulip fog]

no, as far as im aware it should work the same as respeccing your ascendancy in PoE1, which is how i described it above

[twilit schooner]

So its still this?

[tulip fog]

yes, what they are talking about with opening the respec window is if you havent already unspecced all your ascendancy points before doing the trial you are now able to do it at the npc right in front of the device

its still using this way to respec the ascendancy

[hidden gull]

Is Water Plant still playable in 0,5 or too nerfed?

[tulip fog]

Raxx still thinks its playable last thing i heard, he's going plant druid for league starter from what ive heard

[thin vessel]

hello, with the atziri rule saff anyone knows if everytime your spell hits a mirror, it will be considered a new cast? or does it copy the properties of your initial projectile snapshotting?? (e.g, empowerment, ramping buffs, etc), I wanna try cooking something with this
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[tulip fog]

it sounds like any projectile that hits a mirror will be copied, then replicated and shot out 7 - 9 time in a nova around the mirror which in turn can hit any other mirror which copies the same skill that hit the first mirror again then replicated 7 - 9 times again in a nova around that second mirror

man, PoB is REALLY not liking my shield for some weird fcking reason, it auto-unequips it when i try to add something new to the build, swaps a support or removes passive points...

like seriously....

this is the shield in question

it keeps unequipping it constantly

[twilit schooner]

POB not supporting one handing a 2h mace?

[static plinth]

Did you unallocate giants blood or smthin?

[tulip fog]

i have giants blood

and i did not unallocate it either

[twilit schooner]

Its not a known POB bug

[proven rapids]

dual wield in poe2 alternate between the 2 weapons by default right ?
but is there any skill that combine the damage from both weapons in a single hit ?

[tulip fog]

Herald of ash doesnt trigger off of Ignite right? only hit damage?

if i deal a hit damage to an enemy (that doesnt kill it from the hit) that puts an ignite on them that deals more than that enemys lifepool it wouldnt trigger right?

[static plinth]

Herald of Ash specifies hits

[proven rapids]

Are you sure about that ?

[static plinth]

Molten Blast combines

I think there's one or two more

[proven rapids]

I wish ggg explicitely said it on skill description, I hate them for not doing that

[tulip fog]

right, i thought so

i wonder, will herald of blood still work in conjunction with the new bleed conversion into fire damage ring? would it still count as blood loss for herald of blood? maybe not right?

maybe it still counts as blood loss?

[coarse crescent]

it wont count as blood loss

just like converted ignite isnt a burn anymore

cause blood loss is not specifically bleed, its "physical damage over time"

[tulip fog]

hmm, okay, thanks

then if i have more than break 100% increased armour, will this node fully break an enemys armour if i pin them?

[coarse crescent]

i would assume so

[tulip fog]

thanks

with this wording, if i aggravate the bleeding in any other way than through a hit with this weapon it wont aggravate the ignite either right?

[elder mural]

POD support nothing

[tulip fog]

indeed, there is so, so much that have yet to be implemented in PoB, i get that its a volunteer project but its been so long and theres so much still unimplemented

you would think that with the amount of users that uses it there would be more that would be interested in helping to implement it and make it more useful...

[elder mural]

You cant theorycraft anything from pob you must do the math unfortunatelyt it's never up to date

[static plinth]

Correct

Youll melee spear and youll like it

[tulip fog]

hmm, i thought so, dangit

i can still throw it right?

a thrown spear still counts as the spear right?

[static plinth]

That spear can only use melee attacks if you read it

Wait

Nvm

What fuckin spear am i thinkin of

So yeah ranged is fine

[tulip fog]

Saitha's spear

[tulip fog]

so, if i use this spear as the weapon, and i pin the enemy will it still aggravate an ignite if this is what triggers the bleed to aggravate?

or must the source be from the spear only?

[static plinth]

Youll need to test that one

I dont think itll work but it might

[tulip fog]

hmm

if it doesnt work i will be stuck with a 50% chance to aggravate, 40% at most from the spear and 10% on attack from a passive

now i just gotta solve how to get frenzy charges sigh

its so unnecessary difficult to get frenzy or endurance charges in this game

especially since they dont give any stat benefits (only spender benefits)

[pliant solar]

do you get this bonus with an attack that applies incision itself?

[tulip fog]

probably not

unless the attack deals multiple hits and the first hit applies the incision

[pliant solar]

ye most likely

[static plinth]

If you apply incision and bleed in the same hit it should work

Depends on order of operations ig

[strong flower]

will the energy shield nerfs really hurt sorcerer ascendenies a lot?

[static plinth]

A bit, though Varashta is buffed pretty hard with their instant ES recharge button and -1s to delay node

[lavish marten]

ice shot deadeye vs pathfinder? i know deadeye is better early but i saw a lot of pathfinders having better damage at end of week 1 of 0.4

just wondering what makes the difference

[uncut bay]

ehm...pathfinder just doesn't impress me at all, I would pick deadeye over him any time, but I would also pick amazon over deadeye for the tankiness

[lavish marten]

thats not really an answer, but thanks?

[uncut bay]

lmao

the difference is obvious, just look at what the ascendancy passives do

[exotic compass]

If you want to sprint without tripping and falling on your butt, go pathfinder. But you can always cheese the heavy stun by logging out and back in 😅

I genuinely can't tell you why a pathfinder would have more damage than a deadeye aside from gear. They can tattoo their passive tree with 5% damage but I really didn't hear or see much of that post-launch, it was mostly the anti-tripping and taking witch ES nodes from across the tree

[tulip fog]

that 5% damage replacement for attribute passives is massive if you can get enough attributes from gear

[lavish marten]

ah that makes more sense

[pliant solar]

PF is the best ascendancy for adorned

and adorned is the endgame

not for all builds, but for a lot of them

[lavish marten]

guess ill be deciding between deadeye and amazon

[karmic nymph]

I can't decide between bear shammy (my favorite kit of the entire early access so far), plant lich (never played either the skills or the ascendancy) and the new martial artist, since I recently did a campaign run with Korbyn's build and it was an absolute blast (also the idea of blowing up a bunch of bells with Gathering Storm seems sick)

[pliant solar]

wyvern

monk wyvern works too

[tulip fog]

how many sockets does bucklers usually get? 1? 2?

[livid hamlet]

Hey so i'm eyeing Firestorm stormweaver in SSF .
I heard that Firestorm has generally decent single target but it's clear is kinda lacking .
Does any1 know if there are other skills used to clear ? If so, what's the setup ?

[ornate sand]

what build(s) you think possible to self found in softcore in 0.5 patch?

[lavish marten]

anything that doesnt need uniques

[tulip fog]

well, since all rituals now provides omens or uniques as rewards, theres a chance that you can farm low-level uniques in the freythorn rituals in act 1, so if your build requires a low level unique its possible it might be farmable by repeatedly doing the ritual in that zone, unless GGG specifically prevents that

[lavish marten]

im gonna guess its a one time only if they made freythorn ritual also give uinques

[tulip fog]

if its not a one time only it would only grant uniques with a equip level lower than the zone level which is 11 or something i believe

[ornate sand]

i liked what the new martial artist has but idk how monk levling is i just played grenades last patch.

[lavish marten]

bad until you get ice strike tbh

glacial cascade and falling thunder both kinda suck early

[livid hamlet]

I was eyeing either Whirling Assault Spirit Walker ( under assumptions that Staggering Palm scales of projectiles from Owl )

[uncut bay]

essence drain lich has been perfect for ssf and HC since forever

[livid hamlet]

Or Firestorm Stormweaver

Assuming low level uniques are available easily , then also Mana Thorns Martial artist

[ornate sand]

oh nice i have to look into that i assume not many changes in 0.5 for ed lich?

[livid hamlet]

Scaling Thorns through Crackling Barrier Hollow FOrm

[uncut bay]

this league you have the chance to recreate Conner's immortal amazon because of all the evasion buffs

[minor tree]

i think varashta would make for the coziest ssf/league starter in general

[lavish marten]

forgot about that tbh

ill have to watch that video again

[minor tree]

minion damage should be more abundant with the breach changes

and it scales for free with you

• you can ignore minion health

perfect fit with the RF staff too

second best would be kitava, since it solves defences for you

[novel ridge]

what do you guys think about Martial Artist Bell Dragon -- flamebreath hits so often and in a pretty wide area, seems easy to ring the bells constantly. Bell on dragon's back also probably looks cool

[minor tree]

bells have a cooldown on the shockwaves, but it is a lot of ticks

with the combo node you can max out combo in no time too

[novel ridge]

could be pretty funnyyy

[minor tree]

yolo go for it

the best case scenario is having a build that sounds funny and with a possible fallback if it doesn't work

so it sounds like a W

[novel ridge]

callin it a hell yeah, thanks brother

[minor tree]

meanwhile i'm still quite torn between varashta, uncapped demon form, mystery ascendancy indigon and back-to-back flicker strike martial artist

they all sound juicy

for the indigon build i'm not even sure which ascendancy to go for, my ideal one would be pathfinder but it reduces costs so much it's impossible to ramp up

[proven rapids]

Is that a pob bug, why is volcanic erruption completely ignoring all my increased and more damage ? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1310611810147373207/1508110894976991252/image.png?ex=6a145938&is=6a1307b8&hm=80e1b4979ede4fef0741e429a3a5f68d0fcbd62d2b589621b1717a935ab54a7d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1103&height=498

[static plinth]

Remember the second bell node doesnt support talismans

[coarse crescent]

can you send the pob

[bright urchin]

What poe 2 build site do you guys trust to offer good builds that are actually playable by a noob?

[proven rapids]

turn out it's not a bug, just how volanic eruption work

[exotic compass]

A site is just different people collaborating on different classes, it's really maxroll vs mobalytics unless someone has another they'd like to mention

So I'd check those sites, check the builds that interest me, then go on YouTube and find actual day-by-day footage of them playing the build

For instance woolie and lazy exile are not involved with websites as far as I'm aware, yet they both put out multiple videos on wolf oracle showcasing their progression. If you can find that for your desired build you'll be in good hands. It could be slightly inefficient but 100% playable

[tight burrow]

Planning to play witch fireball for 0.5. Which is better ascendancy for it? Blood mage or infernalist?

[exotic compass]

fire spells have very low base crit chance, typically bloodmage would be the answer

other reasons as well of course but id argue thats most important! if you want to demon form fire caster, send it

[tight burrow]

I haven't trried that so I'm also curious to do that. That's why infernalist is in my option 🙂 It is included on the shapeshifted buff on the druid side, right?

[exotic compass]

id have to look but i dont think any shapeshift nodes actually benefit demon form. youd just go straight up to the top of the tree from witch start, then spread out to either side grabbing energy shield and crit and jewels

coooleen is in the chat and would know more

[bold oxide]

seen a bit of talk about going crossbow martial artist to generate combo with crossbow so you can use tempest bell but like is that actually gonna be any good? i know there are a few combo related nodes on the passive tree, which are pretty nice nodes actually, but is this all worth it do you think? i know we cant say for certain at this point, but just spitballing on how best to take advantage of the tempest bell with a crossbow (or grenade) attack. similar to the qstaff angle of going big tri-ele crossbow to inflict maximum ailments on the bell i guess?

i was planning to league start merc and go gemling to play with the new alt quality effects, but this combo crossbow build is certainly intriguing

[remote narwhal]

Most those combo nodes are towards unarmed.

And honestly monk seems a safer league start than merc

[bold oxide]

which ones? im looking at the cluster with chakra of rhythm/impact and disciplined training and they dont mention anything about unarmed

[remote narwhal]

I might be mistaken but if ur wanting combos

Martial artist is a better choice.

[bold oxide]

yes thats what i mentioned at the start, going martial artist to take the martial master node, but using a crossbow to generate the combo

[remote narwhal]

I don't think u can

[bold oxide]

you can

[remote narwhal]

Ok good

I'm going shattering palm for my league start and get facebreaker

[bold oxide]

so im wondering how best you would take advantage of being able to place a tempest bell but with crossbow attacks now. could be the same way that qstaff typically goes about it with a big tri-ele crossbow but wanted to see if other people had different ideas

[remote narwhal]

Well, what skill ur using with it matters too

[bold oxide]

yeah. thats why im asking, wanted to bounce ideas around on what people might be using

[remote narwhal]

We don't know the kalguran skills yet

So really can't bounce a lot.

[bold oxide]

true

[remote narwhal]

But I'm abusing the runic ward

Facebreaker, fist of stone and the act 3 upgrade

DK what it would do to face breaker tho

But I'm going to abuse some uniques.

[livid hamlet]

Unless it massively changes Face breakers they are a bait

For Hollow Palm

[remote narwhal]

Not really.

I figured running hallow palm would affect facebreakers damage too

[livid hamlet]

Yes, really, you only get strength scaling from Facebreakers

[remote narwhal]

Yes

[livid hamlet]

But you can't roll str on non armour bases

[remote narwhal]

And?

[livid hamlet]

So it just leaves jewelery

Which isn't a lot

[remote narwhal]

I'm going str mostly

[livid hamlet]

Then you dont scale hollow palm cause you have very little EV and ES

[remote narwhal]

And

I'm going iron reflexs anyways

Abusing a uniques high basis for armour to element damage

135% armour to element is a high basis.

[livid hamlet]

So your intent is to use staff attacks with Hollow palm with 0 Evasion and possibly 0 Energy shield and at best amulet slot for staff attack levels

[junior trail]

Thinking of trying druid and leveling with plants until I can get 1st ascendancy and then swap to ancestral bond spell totems. Unsure if Shaman or Oracle would be a better early choice. Do we think there are better leveling alternatives?

[livid hamlet]

Sounds great go for it

[remote narwhal]

Abusing the STR from facebreaker and I'll always have some es.

Fist of stone

Plus the fact u can set up more defensive on monk

I'm aiming for very specific items

[livid hamlet]

Like it will work ,but I doubt you will be very strong. Albeit a lot depends on what Fist of Stone will do to Facebreakers

[remote narwhal]

I figured that part out.

Staggering palm with shattering palm.

Utilize the bell to proc staggering palms proj

[lethal parcel]

Would anyone know if there is somewhere a guide how to do the text format for the in-game builds? i want to learn and upload one for myself.

[remote narwhal]

Well I rather be tanky AF and take a little longer to kill than kill and die easy.

[tulip fog]

i think the guy who made PoB said he would try to implement a conversion option for PoB before league launch

[fringe lagoon]

there are already some websites to create build files so maybe they must have shared the format already

[proven rapids]

@empty torrent hey, is that you https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal/character/Ace-6751/Ace_skye?i=6&search=skills%3DEarthshatter ?

[empty torrent]

nope

[proven rapids]

too bad

[rustic arrow]

so iam trying to do something with whispering ice, not sure about acnedancy tho

currently eyeing lich or stormweaver, anyone got any experiencce with any of that?

[remote narwhal]

Prob is that it takes a bit to get that

[rustic arrow]

wdym

[remote narwhal]

Whispering ice is a unique

[rustic arrow]

ik

[remote narwhal]

I'd look at something to get you to that first.

Me personally I'd like it too for my second char.

[rustic arrow]

but i did ask about whipering ice, not the way there

[remote narwhal]

I'd look at getting the stuff off it.

Not using the uni itself.

The uni itself is bad.

And I would do stormweaver.

[rustic arrow]

iam still asking about whispering ice

[remote narwhal]

Yea stormweaver synergies with it more

[rustic arrow]

thx that was the info i wanted

[remote narwhal]

But there is varasta too

But that's more defensive.

But my suggestion isnt to use whispering ice

Rip the stuff you want off and use a better rare for it.

[remote narwhal]

Thinking about what u said u might be right to a point. But i want to rip the mods off later.

[rustic arrow]

okay i want the whispering ice part tho

[lethal pebble]

is league start monk with the new ascendancy okay 🤔

[rustic arrow]

probably

[livid hamlet]

For whispering Ice it would probably be best to go Stormweaver for +2 to skill limit .

Generally Varashta would be more defensive and Lich would probably be right in the middle

I think Lich can scale the highest but would require higher budget

For generic run of the mill , i think running Stormweaver would be best

[remote narwhal]

Technically yes on verasta

It can be more damage somewhat

[livid hamlet]

You can also try Oracle if you feel like medium spicy

And Chonk if you are a SSS-Tier hipster

[remote narwhal]

Well my honest suggestion is to rip it

[rustic arrow]

seeing as i didnt have any major succes with any statstacker in a decade iam spicy as shit

[remote narwhal]

Get several and start ripping the mods

[livid hamlet]

For Stormweaver you can try going 100% Mom and Indigon

since i don't think you actually care about anything in particular outside of +2 limit

[rustic arrow]

brother what part of " i want whipering ice" do i need to repeat 50 more times

[livid hamlet]

so you can take the mana parts

i literally am giving you info on whispering ice

[rustic arrow]

the other dude

[remote narwhal]

It's one of the league mechanics. Ur taking stuff from the uni

[tulip fog]

oh man, i dont think i have ever been this undecided on a build for a new league launch before, i cant decide wether to try

• making my own Bleed + Ignite hybrid build with the new unique ring
• making a boss tame beast minion build
• make a monk build with the new ascendancy
• new corrupted blood warcry build (unsure if the new damage scaling is good now?)
• Stampede Titan with extra shockwaves on slam

[rustic arrow]

ffs

[remote narwhal]

You won't have that till later

[livid hamlet]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal?items=The+Whispering+Ice&skills=!Comet%2CIcestorm

The shamans are something weird sometimes

[rustic arrow]

ye all of them are just using it as secondary weapon

[remote narwhal]

Yea that's what's good about this league hoy

[rustic arrow]

me being nice is a limited resource my guy

[remote narwhal]

You can take specific modifiers from unis

[livid hamlet]

Of the top of my mind, assuming that you want to actually use Icestorm

I would probably run Stormweaver with Indigon

[remote narwhal]

Exactly. I'm only suggesting to rip it later on

Ice storm sucks on whispering.

[rustic arrow]

suck on some peanuts my guy

seriously

[rustic arrow]

would indigon actually do that much if iam not spammin g the fuck out of it

[livid hamlet]

Well you would spam the fuck out of it , assuming you would go Indigon

Or i guess you could also go pure archmage

[rustic arrow]

guess id have to see ingame how that works out with a limit and what not

[livid hamlet]

You will want some additional avenue of scaling

Well you won't play with only Whispering Ice

[opaque bluff]

does the new chrono debuff also give culling? So its 25% more and 11% more if you dont already have cull?

[coarse crescent]

go critfernalist

[livid hamlet]

I mean Icestorm

Unless you want to have mapping speed of a dehydrated turtle

[rustic arrow]

was looking at spamming all kind of storms honestly

[livid hamlet]

Unfortunately Whispering Ice is +level to only ice skills

[rustic arrow]

ot at least ice fire and the thunder thingy or something

[livid hamlet]

So you are shit out of luck in terms of fire and thunderstorm

[rustic arrow]

weapon swap go brrrrr

[livid hamlet]

These don't automatically swap

[rustic arrow]

does it cancl shit?

[livid hamlet]

Not sure, but you would need to swap between sets every storm cast basically

And do it manually

[rustic arrow]

i mean if it wont cancel the ongoing storm it shouldnt be a problem

[coarse crescent]

thats automatable

[livid hamlet]

cause you can cast everything with whispering ice

[livid hamlet]

You can assign which skills go from which weapon set ?

[rustic arrow]

yes

from day1

[livid hamlet]

I thought the swap is automatic only when it's limited

[lethal escarp]

does avatar of fire convert "gained as extra" mods as well? or would a "gained as cold" not be converted and just nullified later?

[rustic arrow]

na whenever you want or limited

[idle plover]

Are Totems considered Allies for the sake of sceptre-ally damage mods?

[flat jungle]

No

[livid hamlet]

I don't believe totems are allies

Totems are you

You aren't your totems though

[idle plover]

as per wiki allies are also totems

[coarse crescent]

they are allies but your own offensive stats overwrite that

[flat jungle]

Im a totem?

[idle plover]

but i feel "allies" are only minions/other players in this case

[coarse crescent]

basically offensive ally buffs dont work, defensive ones do

[flat jungle]

They kinda are but dont benefit from allies stuff because all of theyre stats are based on youre stats

[idle plover]

make sense, yea. thanks all

[livid hamlet]

Multiple Tornados don't stack right ?

[remote narwhal]

Wym on that (just to make sure)

[livid hamlet]

If i have 3 Tornados at the same time on top of the enemy does the damage triple ?

[rustic arrow]

should

its 3 things hitting the boss

[livid hamlet]

Yeah but Tornado's literally don't hit

They apply a Dot

[rustic arrow]

wait wrong game

[onyx nacelle]

not currently

[livid hamlet]

Yeah figured that would be the case

[rustic arrow]

i guess you can think of it as a ground effect but horizontally unchallanged

[empty torrent]

are the passive skill tree changes released with the patch notes usually?

[rustic arrow]

nop

[livid hamlet]

They come in later, i think sometimes on the day of the release

Cause they tend to tweak things

[rustic arrow]

ye they still worj on that shit a few hours before launch

[empty torrent]

and no data mines and stuff?

[rustic arrow]

how without any data

the patch comes like a day before or so

so thats the earliest people can start digging

[fringe lagoon]

I've seen new tree a few hours before league release on website like poedb/poeninja, so that's when it gets data mined I think

[livid hamlet]

My mind is telling me Martial Artist, my Heart is telling me non Vortex spirit Walker and my soul is telling me Firestorm Stormweaver

[empty torrent]

i mean, who knows how they store stuff

[rustic arrow]

did poe did any big updates anytime recently?

[empty torrent]

i haven't followed updates.

[rustic arrow]

you will notice a multiple gb update

[empty torrent]

but you guys are right, it makes most sense for the tree to be added alongside the prepatch update

i don't remember correctly, do they usually do big unanounced skill tree changes?

[rustic arrow]

no

[empty torrent]

or mostly minor tweaks with the exception of notables that they mention in patch notes

[rustic arrow]

they mostly move stuff around if no annoucments

wait are storm skill capped in total or per spell

[honest grail]

my urge to make a 0.5 shield wall guide is growing

but if I do that GGG might nerf the tech that still makes it OP

[rustic arrow]

ye your not hiding something they dont know

oh shit i could use wildsurge so spam storm all over the palce

[proven rapids]

there's no way this setup is freezing bosses right ?

[flat jungle]

Are there any indigon builds besides curse cocks and totems?

[rustic arrow]

mana stackers probably

[honest grail]

are you using the new mace that converts it to cold dmg?

[proven rapids]

nope, it's just a 0.4 build on poe ninja

[honest grail]

that + freezing mark should be fine

[proven rapids]

he's not using freezing mark tho, maybe he don't care about uptime in boss scenario

[rustic arrow]

if there is enough dmg, freeze uptime is hardly important

[flat jungle]

I didnt saw one yet and how can mana stsckers sustain indigon?

[proven rapids]

maybe i'm underestimating forge hammer damage, but it doesn't look like a sill that hit hard

[remote narwhal]

What is he using for items

[rustic arrow]

might be able to shotgun

[honest grail]

forge hammer combos with stuff that procs the aftershocks a lot

you can proc aftershocks up to 5 times per second

so multiply the fissure dmg by 5 and you have your potential dps, plus whatever the triggering skill is doing

people usually just throw down shockwave totems for single target tho

[remote narwhal]

Plus the items used might have gains to other elements.

[rustic arrow]

wait is living bomb deadass the only fireinfusion source? besides EE

[proven rapids]

snap

work too

[rustic arrow]

ah lol

[cerulean turtle]

im pretty bad at this game can somebody tell me if its easier to build for the fire bear thing or thorns on smith of kitava while being bad

[rustic arrow]

well that shapes up to be a 7 or 8 butting build

[rustic arrow]

both

thorns might be slightly harder to gear because people dint reall craft for that

then again thorns might be abrik for some stuff and be cheaper for that

[cerulean turtle]

@rustic arrow how far can either bring me on trash gear

[rustic arrow]

t15

[cerulean turtle]

lol

[rustic arrow]

bruv bear is bsted as shit

and thorns just tank it

[cerulean turtle]

damn well thx for answer

[rustic arrow]

i tried both but gotta say thonrs i kinda lame gameplay whise

bear just joggs around and shit dies

[cerulean turtle]

is the unique bear weapon expensive?

the fire thing balrog

[rustic arrow]

it was in current league

but its not needet

its like cherry on top to use that bad boi

you can do everything way before that

or not use it at all

[flat jungle]

What is a diffrent second weapon set setup for spells besides sigil of power i have 2 ideas atm the crit weakness focus and than a wand any ideas for a support wand and second setup maybe a talisman for double earcry tech than apply crit weak with warcrys

[rustic arrow]

could do some secondary dmg source

[remote narwhal]

This is what I was going to utilize

Rip the elemental off and get a decent armor and es armor for it

[rustic arrow]

did you read how hollow palm scales?

[remote narwhal]

Yea

[rustic arrow]

how it scales with es and evasion

specifically

[remote narwhal]

Yea and again I'm using facebreaker.

So that doesn't apply. I'm after the damage off the gems

[static plinth]

Which doesnt apply to Facebreaker?

[remote narwhal]

Yep

[static plinth]

Are you just using quarterstaff skills with hollow palm and not gonna use the actually good part of hollow palm?

Cuz the actual gem damage is really low compared to staves

[remote narwhal]

I'm going a hybrid tank

[rustic arrow]

the kitchen smells burnt

[remote narwhal]

I've already tested something similar.