2┃build-planning

[native lance]

tho I guess it's nice if the big stampede hits all the other shocked enemies besides the one where the shocked was consumed

[brazen marlin]

is it the trigger tag that prevents skills from gaining energy from another skills damage?

https://cdn.mobalytics.gg/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,width=1240/uploads/images/poe-2/Vivid_Stampede.png

Does that mean vivid stampede can't proc meta gems?

[native lance]

it doesn't require energy

it just shoots out the stags when you do any attack

it shoots stags equals to the number wisps that you have on you when you attack

[honest grail]

that's not what they mean

[native lance]

oh they mean like gaining energy from it

[honest grail]

Energy cannot be gained from direct effects of Triggered Skills

So I imagine it can't build energy for meta gems

[native lance]

yep

[vital canyon]

guys what should I go for bear build

[honest grail]

a different ascendancy

[brazen marlin]

That's a bit of a bummer I was thinking about a build with moljnir and the new midnight shield coming out in 0.5. Melee attacks triggering the stags + owl feathers letting the shield pierce stuff & making a bunch of arcs

Shield throw should still proc thundergod's wrath which is cool

[honest grail]

if you want to do shield stuff you really want to use nebuloch

[dreamy mulch]

this implies that indirect effects may grant energy

[west pumice]

Dude got ROCKED lol. Not bad for lv 75 so far. Havent even really geared. May use Galvanic shards and try and pump up electrocution. Really push the immobilized, electricuted, shocked, pinned numbers.

[rapid star]

I'm doing a ritualist and ended up with a staff falling thunder build, because rake sucks, and Twisters don't interest me
and staff specific nodes a side, why does Monk "quadrant" of the tree, seems so soo much better then Amazon/Ranger?
I always think is crap that is better to spend 7 point to move to another quadrant, because there is not good enough stuff for elements on Amazon/Ranger side, and neither for crit unless you are specifically playing amazon lol

[drifting cedar]

I mean you can't really be shocked that you picked the monk's archetypical weapon and then found it was better to go to the monk's starting area

[drifting cedar]

bear smith of kitava is maybe the tankiest campaign character, and if you're new to the game is a good introduction and not very gear dependent. just keep forging your armor

[rapid star]

Not shocked, but annoyed i guess, not even because it has better stuff for Staff skills, since Amazon side has better projectiles, and poison and bleed[?] my rake build disagree with the bleed one lol
But by comparison, I can do a somewhat decent bow build on monk, but not a decent staff build on Huntress

[onyx meteor]

so basically spirit walker focus on spirits and minions ?

[rapid star]

Yeah, but most people will get the boss taming node even if they are going spirits, just to see how it is lol

it does help that on huntress side there is a node that gives "increases to minion damage also affect you" so you can make a pretty solid companion build

while focus on other skills

[quartz pewter]

Is Spirit Walker going to be like the top minion ascendancy we think?

[dusty frigate]

detonate dead doesnt need to be high level to do decent damage right? I want to use it in a build, but it has a very high int requirement when higher level

[ruby flume]

i have this node only on Weapon set 1.

if i proc the armour break while i'm on this Weapon set, will the effect of that node still be applied if i switch to my Weapon set 2 to attack the enemy for the rest of the time that the armour is broken?

[ruby flume]

this rune is 1.67% Fire + 1.67% Cold + 1.67% Lightning or it's 5% Fire + 5% Cold + 5% Lightning?

[subtle vigil]

5% of each

[ruby flume]

Very nice, thanks !

[hoary bolt]

yes

[ruby flume]

Thanks.

[rapid star]

Last time I saw anything DD related in POE 2, was in 0.2 and it was people saying it was bad because of how long it took for minions to revive so you could blow them up again

[dusty frigate]

Im trying to make smith of kitava build that uses fire skill on hit, so it would just blow up a surrounding corpse for more damage

atleast thats the hope

idk if I'll be able to get it to work how I dream

[pale meteor]

w

[ruby flume]

for this node, is the 200% of Armour that defends vs Critical Hits applying to all types of crit dmg or it only defends what Armour normally defends?

[silver urchin]

Only normal types

However, I THINK this does work against elemental damage if you have the modifiers that allow a percentage of armour to apply to elemental damage? Not fully certain

[void notch]

u guys know a build have good clear speed as pf spark as?

i played it but now im enough xD

[magic pier]

Can you make spectres out of Breach monsters?

[sharp glade]

yes but not recommended they are all terrible

[magic pier]

Thought so, but hopefully some of them got buffed
I really want to cosplay as breachlord with chayula minions now that they fixed purple flame sharing

[keen charm]

if I cast an AoE spell like ice nova and it hits 10 mobs, do I get 10 chances for crit individually for each mob or just one chance to crit on all 10 mobs?

[reef relic]

Is double armour break ever worth when it applies to all hits? Or it's just trash?

I mean breaking armour below 0

[compact tulip]

Is there a certain number of damage% on the passive tree you should be aiming for?

like a general rule of thumb kinda thing

[toxic beacon]

Not really. Just pick as much as you can.

Especially during campaign you should ignore everything that does not make you deal more damage

[sharp thorn]

This thing makes so that you have twice as much armour against critical hits. It doesn't change what armour can tank, so unless you have mods that apply armour to ele hits, you only tank phys damage this way.

[queen escarp]

do u guys use arsonists or snipers for minion leveling?

[coarse crescent]

arsonists got nerfed to oblivion

[queen escarp]

deam ok haha

so snipers till i get specters

[sharp glade]

by oblivion you mean getting their spirit to be slightly less than frost mages

"oblivion"

[coarse crescent]

no, their base dmg also got reduced a lot

and their command aswell

flamewall wich they abused also had its added damage reduced by almost half

they got quadrouple tapped

[sharp glade]

noone uses their command

[sharp glade]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3740562

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3883495

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3826682

[queen escarp]

So still viable?

[sharp glade]

ctrl F arosnists urself

no but not becasue of nerfs

because they just plain suck as all skeletons do

they are still the only skeleton that can shotgun with multishot

[queen escarp]

snipers feel alright for single target anyway

[sharp glade]

1. The first refers to ALL minion not just arsonists

2. Their base damage is in the hundreds, the flamewall was nothing special anyway

[coarse crescent]

just say you dont know how it scaled lmao

fucking ridiculous

[sharp glade]

You are the one spreading misinformation about them being specifically nerfed

The biggest specific nerf was the spirit nerf and that happened barely after launch

[coarse crescent]

without the flamwall added dmg they were not competitive as a minion even with the shotgunning

and half of the arsonist build dmg also just came from srs

[sharp glade]

ah now u mention something irrelevant like SrS because you know you f'ed up

[coarse crescent]

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"this argument doesnt help my specific thing i said wich has already been proven wrong so im gonna call it invalid"

[dusk plank]

Any channce of Fire/Ignite Sorcs being decent next Season? Or would I be going down a path of regret?

[toxic beacon]

This is the endgame patch so we can expect balance changes

Hard to say which specific builds will be good

[dusk plank]

Thats fair I suppose.

Main issue is last time I played, there wasn't much in terms of "Good" options for Fire Sorc at the time. You were always better going full Lightning or Frost Wall Explosions

[sharp glade]

base dmg of lv28 gem. But SURELY losing 30 extra damage from flamewall made them bad

The only people who thought flamewall was a remotely significant part of the damage, even in 0.1 are the ones whose only interaction with the skill was watching videos and clips

[coarse crescent]

"my lvl 28 minion doesn benefit much from lvl 1 flamewall"

[reef relic]

Does breaking armor under 0 with all damage from hits applied to broken armor is ever good or it's just a bait (Warbringer ascendancy).

[sharp glade]

have you ever ACTUALLY played the game instead of yapping

[coarse crescent]

"while the Gem level 1 values are unchanged. More significant reductions have been made past Gem level 20." read

[sharp glade]

at lv 20 it went from 77.5 avg to 40.5

I wanna know how you think you were pushing gem levels on a SPELL skill on a MINION build

You know +fire spell staves dont scale minions right?

[coarse crescent]

you know you can equip a wand with a scepter right

the average arsonist build had +5 from wand and +1 from support

for the flamewall

[sharp glade]

ah yes because that SURELY would have been a better damage setup than old trenchtimbre

do you even know what you ar typing

[coarse crescent]

it was back then, yes

[sharp glade]

ok ur trolling if you think anyone except a clueless idiot would use a +lvl wand over a trenchtimbre for a damage setup in 0.1

[coarse crescent]

ironic statement

[sharp glade]

im gonna snip this and post it every time you make some clueless take about minions

Like its so insane. Do you even have any idea how much minions scale with levels

[coarse crescent]

"varashta is the only good minions" "you cant get 300% elemental armour"

[sharp glade]

mad and bad

[coarse crescent]

you've been proven wrong time and time again bud

[alpine fulcrum]

so you are saying +2 > +5 ?

[sharp glade]

+fire spell skills dont affect minion gems

[alpine fulcrum]

you know minions have more tags than just minion tag right

[sharp glade]

not spells

wand mod only affects SPELL skills

[west pumice]

Ok so I think I've found my secondary wave shot atk for this twin stick build. Galvanic shards has a pretty decent spread and utility wise it fit in nicely with how this build is shaping up. I ended up making Galvanic shards electrocute while rapid shot pins and explosive grenades with heat buildup and black powder blitz instant pop just eliminates anything resilient.

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/OpticalPrime36-9576/vaal/character/DCC_Twin_Sticks

So knowing this I'm about 8 levels or so away from optimizing my tree. Damage wise I'm already seeing like 1.5 million against bosses so that's good enough atm. Of course defensively I'm not in a good spot but really haven't invested in gear yet. Just looked in my stash trash to suit up

[drifting cedar]

Probably not unless tame boss ends up being super cracked. It does seem like it will be the best minion ascendancy for fighting alongside your minions, beating tactician for that niche

however, remains to be seen if that niche goes beyond providing / receiving utility like stun, bleed, shock, chill to/from the companions

[wise dew]

There is no way to plan builds before league start, right?

I mean it in the sense, that PoB won't be ready, so i'll just have to fantasize things in my head which might not even end up working..

[honest grail]

it can still be worth sketching things out so you can see how patch notes affect them

but there will be a lot of changes to gems and tree that aren't in the patch notes anyway

[wise dew]

It's just that i'd like to go Infernalist Liminal Coil Ignite + Poison but..... Damn, i don't even know where to start.

Would it be wise to just start with Essence Drain? It's a late game Unique anyway. There is also the problem of it having only 7% base crit, maybe Infernalist isn't optimal..

Like, how do we optimally scale this?

What is the vision ><

I don't just want to copy-paste other peoples builds, but the more i think about this, the harder it gets.. I might fail miserably

Mobalytics did some brainstorming, but their choice is limited to Blood Mage and Lich

One does really need a PhD in Path of Exile to make builds.. Might just go Blood Mage for extra spell crit..

[exotic compass]

Just wait till patch notes, go fully on themes and vibes right now

If you know you already like the idea of infernalist demon form/lowlife crit and this wand that's a great start, more than a lot of people have done. I don't think more prep is needed until we start having more to work with 🤞

And yeah unless you're late to the league you're gonna have to run a different build until you get this

EDC + black flame covenant is an idea, use random shit like flameblast/ember fusillade/incinerate

[ruby flume]

thanks for the reply @sharp thorn@silver urchin

[rapid star]

Is there a good Buff alternative for Charged Staff (it consumes Power charges, gives add lightning damage to the staff and shots a shock wave), and my problem is that I hate the shockwave "projectile" lol

[exotic compass]

Blazing critical gives damage as extra fire, innervate and ice bite for lightning and cold

You've got mantra of destruction, infernal cry, and arctic howl tho I'm unsure as to whether you can howl then return to shmacking

If you don't love the projectile you can reduce its range with Concentrated Effect

[neon hinge]

Are Timeless Jewels figured out yet? Is it possible toknow how the Notables are transformed for Undying Hate given the Seed?

[blazing onyx]

hello what build is good for this leauge i just bought the game thank you

[neon hinge]

That is an excessively difficult question to answer outright. There are a lot of variables that will change what a "good build" is to you.

[blazing onyx]

good build to learn the game 😁😁

[neon hinge]

Additionally we do not have patchnotes yet so a lot is unknown in terms of changes for the upcoming patch.

For that purpose there are almost no misses as long as you choose things that work together. I am out of the loop if there is a highly regarded beginners guide.

But, if you check out this channel I am sure there will be more tailored advice for you. https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1308714834543513652

[blazing onyx]

thank you kind person 😁😁

[rapid star]

I'm using Wave of frost with Blazing Critical and Bhatair's Vengeance
Might Try infernal Cry, mantra of destruction buffs only one skill (unless that skill kills something on the first hit irc)

[runic creek]

Is there a list of base types that are in the game somewhere? Can't find one. Trying to make my loot filter for 0.5

[rapid star]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Items

I think it might have what you need lol

[umbral saddle]

Is there any bow skills that benefits from armour break in the game currently? Just wondering about the new bow that they revealed.

[native lance]

a lot of people use armour break III on spiral volley to generate frenzy charges for it

[hoary bolt]

all bow skills can benefit from armour break on warbringer

[rapid star]

Also, if you're using any type of bleeding/poison build Breaking armor means more damage, since both scale with the damage of the hit the inflicted the ailment

[twilit schooner]

Has anyone tried a Cold to Blackflame Ignite Chonk build via Three Dragons Helm, with something like Tull's Stillness on Whirlwind Assault or Shattering Palm so that its Extra Chaos damage along with Charged Blade can proc herald of Ice?

[normal pumice]

Question on Contagion, do damage supports on Contagion increase the total damage of all 'attached' chaos dot's on spreading? Or will it only be the base 100% more per spread?
E.g. Zenith on Contagion will cause an additional 30% more damage per spread for all dot's

[summer pasture]

The dots that spread are the same damage as the initial dot

So yes

[normal pumice]

If I understand you correctly that means my initial 1000 damage ED will be 2000 on first spread and 4000 on second spread and the Zenith % more will only apply to Contagion's own damage not ED?

[summer pasture]

If you do 1000 damage with the first dot, each dot that spreads does 1000 damage

[normal pumice]

The Contagion inherent 100% more per spread multiplier only applies to Contagion itself then, not to 'carried' other chaos dot's? That's a bummer.

[summer pasture]

Yes, the initial dot damage will be used just amped up to 2000, then 3000 on second spread

[normal pumice]

Isn't that opposite of your earlier message:
"If you do 1000 damage with the first dot, each dot that spreads does 1000 damage"?

[summer pasture]

I missread the skill at first

[silver urchin]

Olroth's Legacy says:

Destroy a Kalguuran or Ezomyte unique item,
How do we know which uniques are Kalguuran or Ezomyte?

[summer pasture]

Not yet

[silver urchin]

What do you mean by that?

[sharp thorn]

GGG said they want to make it clear what faction a Unique belongs to.

[silver urchin]

Okay, so by "not yet" they meant to say "it will be obvious when the patch goes live"? Thank you

[cedar aspen]

How do I slot Chaotic Freeze into a Fire skill (fireball, living bomb, incinerate) when I also have Blackflame covenant. Do I need another support gem to trick the skill into thinking it’s doing non-ailment dot?

Or am I doing it the wrong way, and need to apply it with an different skills for my purple fireballs to do anything like build freeze buildup?

Think I figured it out, sorry

[stoic narwhal]

So the skills on uniques, can they level up somehow? I'm intrigued in the Raven's Flock but if it stays on level 18 it might be a bit of a bummer

[silent prawn]

by Item level. ... more or less. meaning find better ilvl base

[sharp thorn]

No, you cannot upgrade levels of granted skills on the item. Only get an item with better gem level.

[stoic narwhal]

Yeah sorry, I did mean that if the items could drop with higher skills or if they were stuck like that. Thanks!

[cyan plinth]

Does this work if my max ES is 0?

[silver urchin]

You need at least 1

[past bobcat]

Hello, if you do not take meta into account what was the starter build you add the mort fun with ? Gameplay wisr

[sharp glade]

Varastha djinns

[fringe lagoon]

I had a lot of fun playing whirling slash twister witchhunter on 0.4: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1py1149/witchhunter_whirling_slash_twister/.

[sharp glade]

You can go all the way to corrupted t15s with Varashta djinns without ever needing to trade for gear

[past bobcat]

Gonda check thanks

[pale meteor]

Can skeleton lightning mage proc fulmination sceptres passive on its own?

[fringe lagoon]

What is the best minion / spectre that would synergize well with a lot (~200%) of extra damage as chaos buff applied?

[carmine flicker]

How did you get that number?

[coarse crescent]

chayula summoner probably

since its very generic dmg multiplier and most enemies have 0% chaos anyways, any hit based minion kind of benefits the same from it

[eager basin]

Not just kind of ... Exactly

Since most if not all minion investment is generic

The only difference is if you use wither or exposure

[fringe lagoon]

Chayula yeah with selfless remnants on purple flames

[eager basin]

Assuming they even work

Cuz supposedly right now in 0.4 they don't

[fringe lagoon]

I think they said they fixed them on 0.5

On reddit

[eager basin]

Use the helmet instead anyway ... Then you can keep the flames for yourself too

[fringe lagoon]

The helmet is a possibility I guess but you'd lose some minion levels and flames won't do much for you if you are a pure minion build I guess

[alpine fulcrum]

they did confirm fixing that

[eager basin]

The helmet also gives you charge generation xD ... Well sort of

[eager basin]

goodge

Still doesn't fix zombies sucking so much

Sadge

[fringe lagoon]

I am trying to cook up a pob for chaluya minions, i guess i will use skeletal snipers for now

[eager basin]

Prob

[carmine flicker]

well, pure chaos minions will benefit a bit more since their "base" damage will be multiplied by wither too

but tbh w/e, best hit based minion will work
(I'd say preferably lightning since shock is good as well as that esh support)

[eager basin]

Ye but outside of what debuff or curse you use minions are scaled identical

Other than like I think maybe some flat dmg rolls on jewels?

I don't remember if poe2 has that

[carmine flicker]

not yet afaik

[carmine flicker]

it's kinda obvious what debuffs and curses you will use with that much chaos tho

then again my vote for storm mages simply cause when you get enough speed and damage QoL matters and they have best QoL(long range pinpoint accurate instant damage with chains)

[eager basin]

And shock

Also you could use the lineage gem to convert the chaos portion into also shocking

Basically triple dmg all going into their shock magnitude

[fringe lagoon]

I'll look into storm mages, thank you both!

[carmine flicker]

I said that already 🙂

[eager basin]

Oh I'm blind

[fringe lagoon]

I was thinking something among these lines https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/1b2c8, ring is missing as we'll get some minion mods on crafted rings and I am not sure which one will be available yet. Some giga endgame items like Vortex, Prism & Dialla's are missing.

If I've missed anything obvious feel free to let me know 😅

Dps on pob seems decent, I may actually try this in act 2

[carmine flicker]

you (probably) don't want skeletal warrior scepter

[supple wigeon]

Anyone know if there is a Unique (other than The Infinite Pursuit boots) or a mechanic/interaction that can help me apply ailments onto myself?

[coarse crescent]

its the best scepter base right now with muster existing, but hopefully muster gets a nerf

[coarse crescent]

this unique has a vaalborn outcome that reflects curses you apply back to you, you'd need to remove the specific one you want tho

[silver urchin]

Curses aren't ailments tho

[coarse crescent]

read the vaalborn mods

[silver urchin]

I choose not to

[coarse crescent]

truly a poe player

[supple wigeon]

Last line says Elemental Ailments and ngl this looks perfect for what i was thinking

[carmine flicker]

it's around 5.5% more damage (from 28% more to 35% more), aura can give better stats and also have extra support slots for if you need smth

[coarse crescent]

most aura bases are pretty bad tho, only wrath aura can somewhat compete with skeletal warriors

not wrath

uhh

whatever omen scepter is

malice

[carmine flicker]

idk, I used purity simply cause res capping was a problem and 40 res is 40 res..

but malice is better ofc if you can res cap otherwise

(and probably give more than 5.5% more)

but yeah, muster is kinda too good
hope it will be nerfed and smth else buffed a bit may be around minions

[supple wigeon]

If I have 3 charms of the same type, and I get the corresponding ailment, will all 3 trigger or only one at a time with the rest acting functionally as extended charge pools?

[alpine fulcrum]

one at a time iirc

[supple wigeon]

Damn

[pale meteor]

has anyone tested this?

[neon hinge]

Does "Sacred Flow" from Shaman work with "Cannot use Charms"?

[quartz pewter]

I would say yes. I would check though. Makes no sense why it shouldn't. It's not taking away the slots.

[neon hinge]

That's what I am thinking as well. I have to quick way to check it ingame though as I do not have a druid yet.

[slender furnace]

Thoughts on this tree if we don't end up getting a lot of good huntress companion nodes? I've seen Kripp wrapping around the bottom for more rage, but this seems like better pathing. Even before the two jewels can still sack some things to grab gigantic. Put this in amazon channel too, but not sure if its better suited here.

https://pobb.in/ki3PlfOcsXc7

[neon hinge]

Does anyone have input for me on what a good maximum hit taken is for Phys/ Ele/Chaos?

[fleet blaze]

has a general consensus been formed on what the best starter pet class is for 0.5?

[slender furnace]

There's never going to be a consensus on that. There's way too much new stuff to try and different builds are going to want different ascendancies. They've don't want one ascendancy just being "the minion ascendancy"

[fleet blaze]

ive enever played any minion build so what's the usual go to ascendencies ?

[slender furnace]

you should browse poeninja for ideas

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds

[fossil flint]

wait for patch notes; but in general Djinn is fun for minions plus commands from the ascendancy; lich is generically good for minions; spirit walker is potentially good for companions if they get enough love in the patch

[slender furnace]

you also have infernalist and tactition as well

hence why i told him...there isn't just a "minion ascendancy" like there is in poe 1 for the most part

probably druid wolf builds as well

[spring herald]

is siphon elements bugged?

it says 5% on igniting non ignited target per power

so i go to great white one boss which is unique

so its 5% x 20

100%

and i never get any infusion from him?

[halcyon marten]

Is corrupting cry decent? Want to ls it

[sharp glade]

for 0.4 its Varashta despite what ppl say. The reason is simple: the skill scale only with your level and yu dont even need to drop a 6l orb or lv20 gem

also being best suited for ES right now makes it the best starter class that relies the least on gear and rng

as for 0.5 .... wait for patchnotes

[sturdy ingot]

I know nothing guaranteed before patch notes
But is ED/CONT likely to be nerfed? Or was it fine last league where I can start preparing before patch notes?

Haven't played PoE2 yet, so don't know how the build fair against the norm, but it is the build that i'm interested in

[exotic compass]

Their methodology for poe1 is that some starters should just stay starters, meaning they won't get buffed to endgame viability and they won't get nerfed to no longer be starters

This is by no means guaranteed, they can make changes to any skill/support/spirit gem/etc and it might result in changes to EDC overall feel, but I think most would agree it won't ever change fundamentally!

Monsters have low hp values, meaning the bar for contagion being useful is super low. After that you just need stuff to kill rares so get creative there to deal with potential nerfs?

Bonestorm, sniper skele gas command, essence drain + dark effigy, black flame covenant keystone and run incinerate, those are four bossing ideas that are currently strong

[sturdy ingot]

Interesting. I was thinking of it as a potential late game build not from a starter perspective. The way I choose my build is to choose an end game build, make the final POB, then work backwards. can it be a comfortable late game build?

[exotic compass]

Yes, I've ran it before as have many others. most chaos damage nodes are near es nodes, leading to comfortable 10k es setups even with modest gear

Bossing gets slower as you put points for them, by far the biggest issue of the build

[sturdy ingot]

Sorry this second statement is not clear. What do you mean bossing gets slower as you put points for them? Shouldn't it be the opposite it? The more you level up, the higher gear you put in, the faster and better the bossing gets?

[exotic compass]

Bosses have like 2 million life in t15s

[slender furnace]

bossing on ED/C sucks

[exotic compass]

But as you put points into them they get turbo juiced

2-4mil is fine, but more than that and it's a staring contest

[sturdy ingot]

@slender furnace Sure it has a clear downside, which might be why it should be safe from nerfs?
@exotic compass Fair enough, but at higher investment, it's not going to be 20+ seconds right? Just to kill map bosses with more points

[exotic compass]

Look up gameplay at this point, dont take my word for it. Look at their gear and tree, see if it's attainable stuff or chase items such as prism of belief or a good against the darkness setup

[slender furnace]

i doubt ed/c is getting nerfed, but you never know. And yes, i was just explaining in basic terms, that the skill is going to be dirt slow at bossing

[sturdy ingot]

First of all, thanks for the comments about the single target. It'll give me ideas what to look for and practice.
And thanks for mentioning the names. I'll look them up and learn the set ups and see the prices.
I do tend to get a MB in poe1 every league, so it's unlikely that these set up are much more expensive? I hope so at least lol

[sturdy ingot]

If it kills a boss, non pinncal just normal map bosses, in ~10 seconds that's should be fine

[exotic compass]

50-100k essence drain DPS is average late game, and that's before conditional buffs so you should be fine

[sturdy ingot]

If a boss has 6M health after being buffed by whatever late game juicing has, that's like 80 secs on average lol

[slender furnace]

its very very slow bossing lol. Just look up videos on it, decide if you're good with it

[sturdy ingot]

I'm honestly unable to find a normal video of someone killing a map boss with EDC

[exotic compass]

Because YouTube videos are 95% PoB and 5% gameplay so of course the clips are going to be cherry-picked

https://youtu.be/yg3qQJQmYTk?si=73z5uf6m167b7gFl

[carmine flicker]

Probably people don't advertise build at it's weakest)

[granite plaza]

Saw a frozen mandible ant build the other day, but also saw you can't tame them anymore. Anyone know any good replacements? Would a gargantuan wasp being viable?

[exotic compass]

You can look at when tuadh starts mapping. +2 wand, +1 focus, +1 amulet, and like 100% spell damage across all of that

Trash gear for trade standards

[sharp glade]

thats bait too, just use powered zealots like everybody else

[carmine flicker]

Spark zealots ftw

[granite plaza]

thank you! a minion build is all new to me, usually I'm a one click sorc lmfao

[sharp glade]

i hope they get nuked, powered zealtos are the entire reason summoners are viable rn and its only because of the spark pierce bug

[carmine flicker]

You want summons be non viable at all?

[sharp glade]

no but it will finally mean GGG will get off its 🍑 and buff minions across the board

[quartz pewter]

It's not a bug

[carmine flicker]

.. except if they nerf spark zealots in upcoming league then they change minions only in next one
So one league - 7 month - of non viable summoners

No, thx

[sharp glade]

ah yes, the moment you add pierce III to them their single target dps increases over 10 times, surely not a bug

[quartz pewter]

it's a feature

[exotic compass]

Infernal Legion + tecrods revenge on wasps is great for general map clear, I used skeletal sniper command to one shot abyss rares and such

Much less of an eye sore than zealots and vaal guards but you don't have the same power as mentioned

100% viable tho, it's cope to say otherwise. Minions have plenty of clunk and comparing them to other builds (casters, martial) is almost always going to be a bad idea

Truditoru on YouTube has videos on wasps if you want a baseline to build off of

[carmine flicker]

If smth is weaker and more clunky than most baseline options then it's bad and its cope to say otherwise

[exotic compass]

Lmao

Discouraging people from playing viable builds but w/e

Viable and the best are entirely different things

[carmine flicker]

Clunkyness should be rewarded with more power for the trouble, not punished

[exotic compass]

Someone wants a melee minion, give them the best option available

Shit, even brutes are fine with impact shockwave

[carmine flicker]

But it's all empty talks

Before path notes hit nothing is set

[exotic compass]

Here is without lvl 20 gems or good +4 Sceptre, just to show general mapping nothing special.

For zealots just picture walking 10-50% faster and your entire screen is blue

[sharp glade]

I like how you do not show bossfight or map tier or maps mods

[carmine flicker]

Also I dislike word "viable"
Viable for what?
But even 20k es spark zealots wasn't really "viable" sadly
Cause it wasn't 100% proof for alch+vaal+go citadels

[neon hinge]

Is this support real? I was unable to find it in the wiki but PoB and DB has it. Nadir https://poe2db.tw/us/Nadir#NadirSupportGemNadir

[sharp glade]

if with 20k es you dont feel foolproof for alc+vaal citadel thats more of a you issue than build issue

[carmine flicker]

Well
I died to chain freeze from wolf
Once
So wasn't 100%

[exotic compass]

It's an old ass clip from leaguestart

[sharp glade]

you must not have had that much es then

[exotic compass]

https://youtu.be/arBap-KO5eU?si=evAPIVEBQC7wAPqR

[carmine flicker]

Also if build have "me" issue then it's obviously build issue for me
I can't improve my reaction time or w/e, only improve build...

[sharp glade]

chain freeze
20k ES
if you dont click ES as ailment threshold nodes, yes thats a you issue. But I doubt it really was 20k es

[exotic compass]

@sharp glade plenty of map mods to read in that video

[carmine flicker]

Can link you pob some hours later

Except I didn't have 3k es regen at that point
Added rise of the phoenix later

Lich+rotf+that amulet+20k es and some regen nodes made it really immortal

[neon hinge]

How does Zenith interact with Infernal Flame?

[neon hinge]

How deos the damage the enemies deal compare to PoE1? I am struggling to find comparisons so I can adjust my planing accordingly.

[exotic compass]

It's all on poe2db, you can see their moves and damage relative to their level

Act 3 Doryani robot flying up and crashing down after 5 seconds is like... 800-900 phys I believe I'm curious to go check myself

Interlude azmadi can hit for over 2k iirc

[slender furnace]

its about the same, but you're slower and enemies are faster. Bosses still same one shot stuff, but more telegraphed imo. Still need res cap, chaos probably more important in 2 than 1, and still need your mutli-defense layers

OR....you build enough damage to one shot everything and defenses be damned

[quartz pewter]

Is there a cap on gem level? Those new unique jewels are probably going to let us hit higher levels I would imagine.

[next moat]

40 is the hard limit

[slender furnace]

they are most likely nerfing gem levels on gear

[glossy harbor]

Sorry if this has been asked, but do we have any details on how creators will create .build files supported in 0.5.0? Is this something that will need to be done in-game, or will we need to use something akin to PoB or other?

[slender furnace]

i wouldnt expect any of that to be available until much later in the league. Creators are going to rely on sites to probably extrapolate build guides into the format

or pob exports

really depends on how quickly people incorporate it into third party sites

[sharp thorn]

Probably like some sort of a text file. Similar to loot filter. So most likely it's gonna be impossible to write one by yourself and instead you have to rely on PoB or something like that.

[glossy harbor]

Makes sense. Thanks for the input @slender furnace and @sharp thorn

[neon hinge]

@slender furnace @exotic compass Thanks!

[quartz pewter]

With AI tools these days shouldn't take to long to have a tool do this for you. They probably have something in mind already.

[glossy harbor]

Ah, just ran across this. Haven't been on the subreddit in a minute.

[neon hinge]

They are like filter files. You could write them yourself.

[remote narwhal]

So I have a huge debate on something I'm building rn but I wanna run it by and see how roasted I get for the meme build

So I'm running a lightning bolt build rn (trigger build)

I wanna set up a cast on charm set up with it relolving around self ignting.

How would y'all go about it if u made it.

(note it has to be on Oracle with inevitable critical)

[granite plaza]

Why do most builds use Wildshards II instead of Chain III for Powered Zealots? Is it because of the damage fallout or am I missing something else?

[remote narwhal]

More proj

Read wild shards and chain

It'll make sense.

[remote narwhal]

Damage fallout would be one.

But use wildshards and chain yourself and tell me what you see.

It'll be obvious why wildshards is better than chain.

[dusty frigate]

idk if this fits here, but how do yall decide on a build to do? Cause ive got 3 or 4 in mind that I might try to make, but also dont want to do more than 2 for a leagie

[loud geyser]

Step 1. Try to make my own build based around a cool concept in my head
Step 2. Fail
Step 3. Look up a build guide done by someone who is much better at the game than I am
Step 4. Profit

[west wharf]

any experts on overcorrupting present?

how does overcorruption work with rounding?

[dusty frigate]

would someone be able to help me figure out what id need to make a build with righteous decent and the new ice flowers ring work? Which ascendary would be best? I saw a lightning leap build (use lightning spear mainly though) that combined ice and lightning and crit so I figured I could incorporate them both somehow

[pale meteor]

nah after step 2 repeat step one, after few years ur good.

[vale jungle]

Does anyone know if you can create Mirage Archer clones while in demon form?
Using a non-spell skill will shapeshift you back to normal. While shapeshifted, your weapon(s)/off-hand will not be visible, but your weapon stats will still be applied normally.
From wiki - Makes me think maybe, but I don't have a witch to test. 🙁

[inner thicket]

Mirage archer requires spear, bow and crossbow to be active. you might be able to get one mirage off (?) but it will be disabled once use use a spell (other weapon set)

[loud rivet]

Something i dont understand here, can i not just build up the buff and then swap to a rare crossbow?

If so it seems kinda crazy

If not its a cool unique but not really that strong i feel like

[granite plaza]

Best specter to use on a full minion infernalist?

[silver urchin]

What's the name, charged zealot? that one

[honest blaze]

I think you can, though you mostly need to use the unique first to cycle different skills then switch to the "main" ability on the rare xbow

[livid hamlet]

Does staggering palm scale with added projectiles ?
Like will the Owl buff from Spirit walker make it fire off more projectiles ?

[coarse crescent]

yes

[livid hamlet]

Oh that's nice .

Than spirit walker whirling assault ( assuming they don't nerf it ) might actually be pretty nice

Looking a non twister SSF viable builds for spirit walker that will take all animal nodes and improved stag node

Was eyeing grenades and molten blast + something as other options

The new unique armor showcase ( shown along facebreaker ) make it look like you set of stags lots of stags, so i'm hoping it will be quite viable

[drifting cedar]

This looks like it's an ezomyte unique, and it has several unique mods

looks like a strong contender for runeification

[livid hamlet]

I would stay away from theorizing runification untill we know more about it .
It's possible that the mods are set per item .
And it will be 1k divines

[drifting cedar]

that's fair

now excuse me while I figure out how to cap block with every weapon type

[inland fractal]

I really want to play a totem build

[quartz pewter]

[inland fractal]

When is the patch notes, 21st?

[livid hamlet]

Yes]

Just 2 more days

[quartz pewter]

2 looooooooonnngggg days

[livid hamlet]

BTW i heard that Breach Tree will no longer print rare weapons and armor ?

I wonder how usefull Tree will be for some uniques .

[quartz pewter]

Magic items are still valuable for crafting

[inland fractal]

2 days then ill decide if im going spark totem or shockwave totem

[quartz pewter]

Kinda interested in the breach tree more if it prints only magic items. More incentive to learn crafting your own stuff imo

[livid hamlet]

Yeah with 7 months and what looks like a massive pro crafting endgame overhaul, i want to play SSF

but some uniques are of course bottlenecks in some builds ( like for example Crackling Barrier Martial Artist )

[wheat socket]

A bit sad that breach tree only prints jewelry. Would be awesome to print some OP armours like on POE1

[slender furnace]

Hell nah. Id prefer the tree just didnt exist at all, but we dont need every gear slot on the tree.

[minor tree]

So torn between varashta and martial artist for 0.5, even with the 2 missing nodes

Djinns are smooth sailing but clones and bells sound fun

[tawdry orbit]

What’s everyone playing? Anything not monk/spiritualist

[mossy mason]

What is the top builds rn monk

?

[young crystal]

https://mobalytics.gg

[mossy mason]

Omg

2 of us

One if us gotta rebrand @young crystal

[robust pendant]

does anyone knows if Twisted Empyrian (the new frostfire mace) will work with the Avatar of Fire keystone node on the passive tree? Which one would have priority?

[charred peak]

Considering chaos damage (contagion, essence drain, etc) and Chronomancer. Seems solid. Does Time Freezen stop dot ticking on targets?

[alpine fulcrum]

your font is weirdge, thats enough distinction

[mossy mason]

You don’t like sad times

[cedar aspen]

I don’t think it will. I think AoF would convert the phys and cold damage to fire on the mace itself, but then it wouldn’t convert the fire damage with mace skills back to cold damage, because it says “deal no Non-Fire damage”. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think conversions like that on a keystone override a lot of the conversion process

TDLR: I believe AoF would take priority

[robust pendant]

yeah, i think you're right, i dont know if theres something like this (item dmg conversion + keystone dmg conversion) interaction in the game atm to test it

but i guess you're right, i thought so, but i was afraid to be right LMAO

[sharp thorn]

Conversions are a 2 step process. Both mace and aof conversion happen on the same step, but due to overconversion it normalises. So as avresult you get 50/50 cold and fire and due to deal no non fire damage part of aof you loose half of damage.

Or something like that. The mace converts only fire part but anyway, it's not a good way to use the keystone.

[fiery sky]

hi, what are some phys or chaos single target spells that work well with bm and or lich1/2

specifically in the scenario as an alternative/ weap swap for liminal coil

if the single target ends up being bad vs pinnacles and or ubers or whatever hard tanky content

[fringe lagoon]

Bonestorm maybe

If I'm levelling plants I'll use it for single target damage vs bosses

[fiery sky]

yeah I was thinking bonestorm, is it usually a standalone? or can it be peppered with some extra combos or interactions

[fringe lagoon]

Not sure what would combo with it, I'm planning on applying shock with some magnitude first. If you can get sources of extra dmg via other buffs why not

[coarse crescent]

bonestorm doesnt really combo well with BM, BM is fameously bad at using phys spells

[regal gale]

Has PoB been abandoned for PoE2? there's a few things that are missing/incorrect that i've seen and we haven't had an update in months

[coarse crescent]

they are working on it, its just the same ppl working on both versions so they gotta jump between them with the leagues

[regal gale]

ah i see :0

poor guys/gals lol

[worthy obsidian]

You can always contribute if you notice issues as it is an open source project

[cedar aspen]

There MIGHT be a weapon to test it but I can’t look right now. And yeah that would be an interesting combination though. The line that trips me up is Cold Damage from Mace skills, which makes it seems like it’s the fire damage from the skill itself instead of the weapon?

[cedar aspen]

Yeah I know, whether people think it’s bad or good AoF is a full time investment for it to feel decent to use.

[inland vortex]

Are we for sure that ice shot is going to be nerfed

I had that planned days before this dude decided to upload a vid @fungun decided to do that shi on purpose cause he has to remove the fun from everything

just so he can pay his guys to give him free op gear

keep on RMT bro

💀

[still dirge]

you jealous he makes $150k a month ?

[alpine fulcrum]

dw he already said twisters stronger

focus shifted

[exotic compass]

No one has any clue what will get nerfed or buffed, aside from the things specifically mentioned by GGG. Leech is one of those things for example, ice shot is not

[granite plaza]

This is my first time doing a minion build, would taming a rare (with tame beast), that has powerful minions boost my minions or it doesn't work like that?

[sharp glade]

your minion's minions are not your minions

[granite plaza]

Got it, thank you!

[sharp glade]

dam i thought the ping was from a new teaser

[primal plaza]

Hey i was just about to try again and i saw a short about something that made like a persistent swarm of crows around you, what is that and what class do i need to choose to do that?

[rapid star]

do we know if facebreaker will be affected buy stone hands Martial Artist passive?

[fickle orbit]

In terms of numbers etc, does Facebreaker look like it could be used as endgame mapping weapon, or does it become objectively worse than a normal weapon once you're past campaign?

[regal gale]

they said some unqiue's will be affected, that's all we know

[dusk narwhal]

we do know it will be affected, since it changes base types at bare minimum
we don't know if the modifiers will change drastically, if at all

it's the crux of every unique glove going on martial artist rn

[rapid star]

so I wait and see situation, as everything else lol
I kinda got sold on using Face braker, I don't like maces and shields (visually) but some of their skills are awesome lol

[rapid star]

I have no idea how much str can you stack, But it will be worse than a shield+armor gloves in terms of defenses
And I assume It will be worse than high end weapon... takes 500 str to get 100% more damage, but that's the only dmg mod on it...

[mossy mason]

Can someone help me with what gear to use I’m a lightning arrow deadeye build

[rapid star]

first one is better for every metric you could use to compare them

first one*]

sorry lol

5x more evasion, spirit and resistances

also Es is easly offseted by the life the first one has

[haughty jacinth]

Why do people link herald of ice with armour break? Armour break is based on phys damage dealt but herald has convert 100% phys to cold

[slender furnace]

Cry more dude

[fiery sky]

guys, if im not wrong with liminal coil each cast is 2 proj right? so with spell echo its 4 proj per cast? , would each proj proc on-hit effects like archmage? or would it be on a per-cast basis? (so twice per cast since spell echo?)

[slender furnace]

So sick of the fubgun whining in this discord

[fiery sky]

then help me with my question 😛

[slender furnace]

I would if I knew the answer sir

[rapid star]

is an interaction to make it chain of it self, you do need "Extra phys damage" on the weapon, so herald of ice can deal phys damage and break armour

[analog gale]

any idea how to maintain power charges for hollow form

assuming stuff like killing palm doesnt work through hollow form

[arctic crypt]

do guys think I'm safe to start Hollow Palm for my League start or wait for patch notes

[rapid star]

patch notes are less than 5 days away man, just be patient, specially because hollow palm is terrible atm

[analog gale]

patch notes come out before league start?

[old torrent]

Are there any builds that use shapeshifting that you guys like?

[rapid star]

all of them?

I've had a blast with wyvern/wolf, and ended up with a build that uses both lol

most damage comes from wyvern, wolf is there for leap, freezing for extra damage while mapping, and building combo fast on bosses
But cocaine Bear is also really fun... is probably going to be nerfed

ans someone made a Titan "Fire" Wolf, that looked awesome on the video

[old torrent]

cocaine bear? lol

[rapid star]

Yeah, you basically uses the skill he runs causing damage to everything arround, and exploit a mechanic, that uses self inflicted chill
with a unique that makes the chill slow becoming a speed boost instead

probably going to get nerfed, but it was really fun to watch, I just didn't want to make a Titan to play it

[rapid star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OH3EGVPtD4 the build

[old torrent]

lol sounds wild

[rapid star]

it sure is, If that had not announced any new ascendancies I would league started that, assuming they don't remove the mechanic

[foggy sundial]

I'm interested in checking out a facebreaker, way of the stone fist, hollow palm build

hoping that they interact well together

[rapid star]

they gonna need to drastically buff Hollowed Palm, or you to give up completely on having a nice balance between crit and attack speed

[foggy sundial]

well, the idea is to go strength build (with enough dex/int for evasion/ES) for the MORE damage from the facebreaker mitts

wanted to go ritualist, but way of the stone fist sounds interesting, so going to check that out

[rapid star]

I mean you are already not getting, any evasion or es from gloves, than Hollow Palm scales 1% attack speed per 75 evasion on gear not total, and 0.1% per 10 ES on gear
scaling it is kind of hard, a 2500 Evasion armor is already expensive enough, leaving only Boots and Helmet for ES, barely getting to 1k ES for 100% (so you can get the 10% base crit chance almost any staff has)

[foggy sundial]

yeah, it's going to have problems that I'll need to solve, but half the fun is trying something new that is soemthing that I thought of and making it work

there are also going to be problems because we don't know much about any changes and things like way of the stone fist

[rapid star]

yeah I agree, I came across as trying to talk you down, and I'm sorry for that

[foggy sundial]

though, I think way of the stone fist also adds evasion to gauntlet (don't quote me on that)

[rapid star]

I love trying off meta builds too so I undertand the feeling

[foggy sundial]

this build will actually be my first monk class using quarterstaves...

first time was using a sorceress before they changed tempest fury from MORE shock magnitude to INCREASED...

having 2 100% shock magnitudes on enemies was nice....

can't do that anymore

not with quarterstaves at least

but, yeah, the nice thing about using hollow palm is that attack skills that move you like tempest fury make you go zoom across the map with the MORE attack speed multiplier

though, the annoying thing is getting stuck on the map...

[arctic crypt]

Fair played it this league but didn't feel great tbh

[valid aspen]

Maybe a stupid question, but is there a way to make PoB not show me things (like support gems) that are not in the latest version of the game?

[gaunt stratus]

I'm VERY new to the game (haven't gotten past act 3 in campaign), what would a blood mage build look like/ what should I be looking for gear wise (currently running essence drain+ cont until first asc)

[uncut bay]

bloodmage is not a build, it's an ascendancy, you can describe a build at least by saying the name of a skill
bloodmage is useless for essence drain because it's a low mana cost build and you don't need life leech, but also you can't even get life leech because dark effigy attacks on its own

in the campaign you just stack life, resistances, + to skills, spell and chaos damage, both mods and passives. learn trading with real people

[grand river]

So im playing wyvern druid (probubly super unoptomozed) but I picked the Shamon ascendancy and am now struggling to pick placements

[past bobcat]

Hello, what are relianle sites to follow guides ? Like maxroll or mobalitics

[jade hull]

I would only follow those two

But poe2.ninja can give you a good Idea of what ppl are doing if you are a bit more experienced

[past bobcat]

Ok thanks but maxroll is not a bait right ? If i find intersting gameplay I dont want to waste time on a build that is nit that good as I have limited playtime

[fringe lagoon]

Both sites have guides made by content creators, there is no guarantee what you find there will perform as you expect and scale into endgame. I agree on using poe ninja to learn more about different builds/archetypes and see what players are actually doing in game

[twin sierra]

builds on maxroll/mobalytics for the most part are good

[past bobcat]

Thanks

Ill wait patchnotes and fini a gameplay I like

[pastel forge]

how do you even build defenses if you use bringer of rain as a minion based spiritwalker

[errant lark]

The main difference is that Maxroll doesn’t have many ways to see what builds are the most popular, and aren’t attributed to specific creators

They also don’t update old guides.

But also what’s popular on mobalytics isn’t always that good either, so can be misleading

[indigo bluff]

Neither are perfect. Always check on which patch the build was created or updated.

[slender furnace]

You dont use bringer of rain if you want defense. Use giants blood and figure out the attributes or use a talisman with the scepter keystone

[pastel forge]

giants blood basically forces the build into armour based defenses which is not gonna be great without a shield imo and you probably need a lot of str rolls on jewelry or astramentis

lord of the wilds doesnt work with unique sceptres so gotta hope we can extract the the ultimited companions line from the new sceptre

i guess giants blood is still better than bringer of rain in that regard

[slender furnace]

You.dont have to.use the new scepter. New scepter doesnt seem all that great. You can always convert stat requirements on weapon with socketables i believe.

Why do you care about armor type when your alternative is just not even having a body armor?

[pastel forge]

just not a big fan of armour/life in general

well the whole point of trying to get 2h weapon is to scale it for companions, and without the sceptre you are limited to 1 companion (or 2 if you take the keystone that also reduces your defenses). going through the effort of getting 2h to only be limited to 1 companion or 2 feels a bit of a waste? idk.

[slender furnace]

We just dont really know without patchnotes.

Id suggest watching the videos kripp has been putting out.

[pastel forge]

yea watched that

[sage shuttle]

is Arc build generally worse than Spark builds?

[dawn saddle]

I'm making a weird build that could be really fun, but I spend about 5k mana per second. I can generate a lot of power charges and was thinking of consuming them to get mana with this node, but I'm not sure how to consume them fast enough or if there's other ways to recover that mana. I'm using bear form and am already spamming an attack so I would need something triggered, ideally without needing a target

[analog gale]

could you go pyromantic pact infernalist and stack fire res and max fire res?

and like damage reduction etc

pyromantic pact gives you effectively infinite mana if you can survive the fire damage

[dawn saddle]

no I can't, since the build is based on feral invocation, requiring me to actually spend mana

[analog gale]

ah

thats the problem with infernal flame

it replaces mana but its not mana

[jaunty bobcat]

How do you get 4-5 slots on skills?

[exotic compass]

Jeweler orbs for normal skills, leveling up for class and basic skills, implicit skills from weapons won't change unless you find a higher level weapon

[compact tulip]

what time today does patch notes drop? anybody know

[past bobcat]

Is there a trap or mine build yet in the game ?

[alpine fulcrum]

not today

[alpine fulcrum]

no, wait for shadow class to drop

[past bobcat]

Sad

[fervent ember]

I mean in theory you can turn curses into "traps"

[rapid star]

How do people make rolling slam fast? thing has + 1.5 seconds to attack time

[coarse crescent]

1.5 sec is not that much

[valid aspen]

Litch's Price of Power is what I was looking at when trying something similar

[dawn saddle]

For now that’s also my plan, with the 50% more cost as well

But I need to figure out how to trigger enough spells

[oblique vapor]

whats the fastest levelling build rn that can be strong early

Act 1 2

infernal legions?

[west wharf]

there's a lot of rly strong lvling setups atm tbh

twister appears to be the fastest

https://www.youtube.com/@GuyThatDies/videos

there's a bunch of runs here varying from 3hr30 - 4hr 30 for various setups

[oblique vapor]

well shock cond 2 destroys campaign until act 4

as soon as we are 14

bt nt new league friendly

[west wharf]

shock cond 2 is showing up to patch notes in a body bag tomorrow sir

[oblique vapor]

he doesn't do abuse builds tho does he?

like infernal. oil grenade incinerate

[west wharf]

just runs from 0 fresh start, and no none of these include oil grenade

all of these are likely to make it to 0.5 in similar shape, with the exception of possibly twister (kinda expecting nerfs) and wyvern druid (also expecting nerfs)

[oblique vapor]

most of his runs use ethical skills maybe except ice shot

and twister

[west wharf]

ye i suspect twister's getting tapped

[oblique vapor]

oil grenade, infernal legion minions, shock cond 2, oil barrage

nuked

if not then they'd rule league start

[west wharf]

pmuch

[oblique vapor]

also new monk can make power charges easy with bells 2 points

oil barrage mayhem

[west wharf]

nah that shit is ass lol

it wouldn't sustain oil barrage anyway

even if it could i wouldn't click it

[oblique vapor]

it makes bells near you which are instantly cullable

[west wharf]

the bells spawn on you with a slight animation so you essentially always have to slightly backtrack / hit backwards

[oblique vapor]

giving you power charges

[west wharf]

ye but

it is not real

[oblique vapor]

without any special gems or building combo

[west wharf]

building pcharge off those bells while mapping is going to be disgustingly slow and clunky

unless they change the spawn behavior

i will not click it

[oblique vapor]

yeah but i mean on way to boss

pwer charge in clear is ez anyway

[west wharf]

that's rly irrelevant

building pcharge for boss for something like oil barrage takes like

[oblique vapor]

it will speed up campaign

[west wharf]

0.5 seconds to build 3 pcharge

legit takes longer to actually cull 3 bells

than to use the current method

[oblique vapor]

nope

because we see this on stream

lol

[west wharf]

campaign yea it'll be ok

nah i meant

for actual endgame builds

[oblique vapor]

you can get power charge simply walking

[west wharf]

campaign yes it'll speed it up a bit

[oblique vapor]

you're already walking

[west wharf]

no

they used killing palm on the bells every 5s or so when they spawned

in the content vid

[oblique vapor]

yeah while walking to boss room

you dont need to get hit by illusion or build combo

to make pcharge

you can obarrage as soon as boss shows up

[west wharf]

building combo once u have lineage supps takes like 0.5 seconds to gen enough combo for 3 charges

[oblique vapor]

still it is slower than having them on boss spawn

and you can make more than 1 from support gems

on just 1 bell

[west wharf]

in campaign building off the bell will be good yes

[oblique vapor]

and tree

[west wharf]

cus campaign building pcharge on boss is slow as fuck

[oblique vapor]

building combo also requires lineage gem

[west wharf]

yes ik

[oblique vapor]

so league start nothing beats new monk

[west wharf]

that's why i said campaign vs endgame

i mean

i wouldn't bank on

that at all, oil barrage has approximately -200% chance of getting through patchnnotes unchanged/unnerfed

have no idea if it'll still be good

or even be the same skill

[oblique vapor]

oil barrage is the only thing I dont see them nerfing out of all the others

[west wharf]

no shot

[oblique vapor]

infernal legion striaght up bugs and hack

[west wharf]

oil barrage is the most likely of the bunch to get nerfed

or changed into something different outright

[oblique vapor]

oil brrage atleast need builder/pcharge

[west wharf]

the interactions with salvo/nova proj/ricochet etc are unholy

[oblique vapor]

infernal legion needs nothing

[west wharf]

there is 0 chance it lasts

[oblique vapor]

and is walking simulator

[west wharf]

i had enough dmg to 100-0 ubers in ~1s with

[oblique vapor]

same with twister making you move fast not just do shtloads of dmg

[west wharf]

lv 1 weapon with oil barrage

without triple t1 rings or anything like that

[oblique vapor]

yeah but it has a requirement until others

infernal legion also doesnt need any gear

[west wharf]

having a requirement doesn't mean it's in a reasonable state

[oblique vapor]

you can spend your points on defense

[west wharf]

again

it 100-0s ubers in 1 second with a lv 1 weapon

that thing is not making it into 0.5 untouched

i'll eat my sock if it does

[oblique vapor]

then they'd need to buff wyvern otherwise

because the other skills suck ass on it

auto attacking isn't it

[west wharf]

flamebreath evaporates ubers in 1s as well, that thing is for sure not getting buffed

rend needs nerf

it's boring but way too strong

the other wyvern skills could use buffing yea

esp rolling magma

that shit ass

[oblique vapor]

fbreath is nt as strong

and fbreath procs CoEA

but we cannot abuse that

[west wharf]

oil barrage is stronger than fbreath but

it doesn't matter much

[oblique vapor]

because spells still need +levels

[west wharf]

fbreath still 100-0s ubers in 1s or less

why would they buff it

[oblique vapor]

wyvern shouldn't be all aboutfbreath or nothing

[west wharf]

noone said it should

it has several skills that could use buffs

[oblique vapor]

I don't think they will put obarrage in gutter perhaps change it

[west wharf]

it's going to be changes almost for sure

rather than just numbers nerfs

cus the way it currently works from a mechanical standpoint

[oblique vapor]

also fbreath is too late in campaign

[west wharf]

is just busted and wrong

[oblique vapor]

they wanted to move skills they said

earlier

like eye of winter which is also very late

[west wharf]

i'm guessing they might hit something with respects to obarrage's terrain chain interactions

if they don't hit how it scales with proj's/ricochets, spiritwalker will 100-0 any boss in 1s with like full white gear

kinda expecting a pounce nerf too

but we'll see

maybe pounce gets away with it

[oblique wadi]

Is elemental Archon just dog shit? Is there any way to get the uptime really high and have the tradeoff be worth it? the 20 second default down time is brutal.

[wet kernel]

How would additional arrows affect snipe? Does it add more damage and shotgun? Or would snipe just hit the boss once

[winged rain]

I'm pretty sure it doesnt shotgun with the projectile, but the explosions do if you can manage to get the other to also explode

[oblique vapor]

it's fine but don't build around it

it used to be good in 0.1 i think

[oblique wadi]

Can you elaborate? Is it worth taking the nodes to reduce the recovery period + the duration?

Or do you mean don't for example, take the desecrated affix to reduce the recovery time?

[honest grail]

Don't believe ele archon existed in 0.1

[oblique wadi]

either way. given what's available on the passive tree, can a stormweaver thrive on that as a core component of their build?

[coarse crescent]

no, ive tried a lot to make it work and its just bad to work around, you can try using it as an occasional damage boost but thats about it. The best user for it is oracle right now actually because of one oracle specific node wich works in a very buggy way, but essentially doubles your crit dmg if you use it right

[mossy mason]

im having mana problems if anyone cares to add what piece i should add it on im a lightning deadeye build

[radiant crown]

whats the upside to this

am i missing something

[slender furnace]

Nope, its just trash. Im sure someone will come in with some wonky build and say how great it is though

[cedar aspen]

Only thing I could think of is if you’re playing some sick twisted build that benefits from “x thing happens when taking damage” like recoup or whatever. Either way the consensus is it’s not really used at all.

[rapid star]

yeah... Being a full thorns build is the only think I can think that would have a slightly chance to use that node

[rapid star]

I think archor was introduced in 0.2 or 3 lol

[oblique vapor]

0.2 then but I don't think you can make a build around that

It has a strict downtime

even if you try taking all the archon nodes

( easiest for Oracle )

[rapid star]

Yeah, they did nerf it, before you could make the down time very low i believe

[oblique vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GgzX8DJHow

this guy tried it but this sucks

[rapid star]

as it is now, would be better to be an skill that when used gives you the buff

so you can at least choose when to burst

[oblique vapor]

we kinda can

isn't there an arbiters ignition

we could choose to enter archon

[rapid star]

oh I had no idea this existed in the game lol

but it's fire, and fire sucks

[oblique vapor]

yeah but you can weapon swap incinerate just to enter archon

you gain elemental archon

then you can do whatever it is you're doing for dmg

have flammability on second wep set or the flammability staff ( cheap unique ) on weapon swap

[rapid star]

hum... that can be useful, maybe when I'm feeling like playing mage again, I'll redo my lightning conduit build using this
I'll just need to figure out a way to making Lightning Counduit do a lot of damage

[oblique vapor]

exposure

curse

crit lightning conduit

the usual suspects of dmg amp

play stormweaver double shock

[ashen wind]

Hey when will the patchnotes be released?

[cedar aspen]

Tomorrow

[cedar tulip]

Does slows like chronomance, temp chains increase how long enemies are stunned for?

[dusky compass]

Are slotted curses into blasphemy granted buffs by quality?

[inner thicket]

slotted curses just depends on how many sockets you have on the gem. 60 spirits per curse you socket, and quality just reduces the spirit cost

[dusky compass]

Alrighty, tyvm!

[oblique vapor]

what?

it doesn't get much stronger over time , you can get the glove uniques and cast it yourself for amazing slow

blasphemy reduces slow effect

also

[cedar tulip]

In poe1, action speed reductions increase the length of stuns on enemies ^^ If a enemy is heavy stunned in poe2 they do a animation and it feels logical that the animation would take longer with action speed reductions like temp chain and the chronomancer node

[oblique vapor]

use the new lineage support that pacifies them

it doesn't increase their stun duration

but it definitely slows their actions

stack magnitude

[cedar tulip]

Ohh there was a mention on the "action speed" page on the wiki, stating it does work on the stun animation ^^ so the duration of the stun would be longer

[oblique vapor]

stun animation isn't the same thing as 'stunned'

so if you want the boss to be stunned for whatever else you're doing the temp chains don't keep the boss stunned longer

you can make the boss move quite slow with some setups

but they're not 'stunned' in game code

[cedar tulip]

So they are in the animation longer but the stun itself has the same length weird
Do you have a video/source for that? ^^

[oblique vapor]

No

but there is also no video source of what you're saying

that temp chains increases stun duration

[cedar tulip]

Then the wiki is wrong about it I guess

[oblique vapor]

Let me test this

I can do in 20 mins or so

[cedar tulip]

It was added by Blvcksvn last year, so not the most recent info but I'd trust Blvcksvn

[oblique vapor]

just at him if he's in this discord

@

aren't they a mod here, I am sure they used to be

you can simply ask a mod to get in touch

[inland vortex]

Ice shot nerfed?

Or do we get the patch notes for tmr

[oblique vapor]

dunno

There are better things to nerf

[cedar tulip]

Tested it, seems the actual animation is slowed, but it's cancelled and the boss can do other actions after the stun bar runs out
Not what I expected at all wonder if it's a oversight or a actual balance consideration, could look very funky with high action speed slow as the boss would seemingly instantly stand up after being knocked back

[valid aspen]

Does anyone know if Biting Frost consumes freeze buildup and not just a full freeze? I would expect it to but my own tests have been inconclusive

[cyan plinth]

Is there a support gem/tech that makes warcries automatically recast/echo? Some of the gameplay in the content reveal has a warcry being cast like 3-4 times during a rolling slam

[honest grail]

echoing cry support but it's kinda dog

[cyan plinth]

Thought so, but wasnt sure. The gameplay frrom the trailers where they use the big 2h mace has it on. Hopefully that means its somehow buffed

[west wharf]

i dunno if i'd call it dog

it has some pretty good uses as is

it's very common to throw on ferocious roar in particular

to just max out your rage in one press

on a lotta builds you don't really want to keep spamming warcry, so just tapping it once at the start of a bossfight and having it proc 3 times is pretty good value

[steady flint]

Does minions/companions inherit your rarity of items stat? Or do you need the gloves that makes enemies in presence killed count as killed by you for that stat to apply?

[oblique vapor]

advanced info

on kill effects

they should

but you can confirm in advanced info

[fringe lagoon]

Has anyone tried supporting fire tactician for league start? Any feedback?

[oblique vapor]

gimmick

[oblique vapor]

the boss dmg is trash

and scaling the skill is weird since minion scales it

good for clear but even then we have so many better skills for clearing trash in this game

you can literally do a google search

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1thmfsb/supporting_fire_tactician/

the boss dmg is so trash even with so much investment that there's no way it succeeds on patch day when we have weak gear.

unless they greatly buff this skill in the enxt few hours

[fringe lagoon]

Thanks! I was hoping it would be viable with some strength stacking and minion cdr during the campaign but yeah, lack of boss damage could be concerning

Maybe still playable though, that's why I asked here

[oblique vapor]

na it's shit even with a minion amulet or godly astramentis

I tested it 4 days ago

it is streamer bait

[fringe lagoon]

I see, many thanks!

[fathom pendant]

its amazing for clear even for juiced t16 with +minion scepter+helmet+amulet

[oblique vapor]

nobody will have that much STR on patch day and it was so mid

I already said good clear

[oblique vapor]

so this pointless to say

[fathom pendant]

then just use spectres for single target?

[oblique vapor]

^^

Its clear is not BETTER though, it is good

[fathom pendant]

and no you dont have skills with as huge AoE as this for summners

I have played it and it hits more than the whole screen

[oblique vapor]

we are not specifically talking abt summoners

we are talking abt builds

this isn't even a summoner build

[fathom pendant]

if you are not going to scale minion levels on it, might as well not play the skill

[oblique vapor]

the clear is good like I said many sentences ago

but it is not competitive with clear of many other skills in this game

room wide but rare still alive

is not good clear in my book

[fathom pendant]

its probably the #1 clearing skill for minion builds

one click to clear an ntire abyss of anything but rare mobs

[oblique vapor]

because the dmg is so bad

we need to kill bosses

to get the uniques

and not the story mode bosses

we need to redo them after clearing the story mode

and I simply cannot advice someone to take this in good faith

[fathom pendant]

if you are worried about single target, good thing summoners have a spectre that deletes bosses called powered zealot 👍

[oblique vapor]

they won't have minion gear or str like I have right now in 0.4

[fathom pendant]

scaling it with STR is bait, please doont do that

too much diminishing return

[fringe lagoon]

It looked interesting to me as a way to rush t15 and have good clear for breaches, abyss etc.. but I don't want 2 minutes boss fights 😅

[oblique vapor]

but patch notes might buff it

lets see

[past bobcat]

Anyone planning a raven build just for the sake of the ahhhh sound ?

[slender furnace]

Nope

[rich creek]

False information

[livid hamlet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/southparkgifs-26ufq8k6RuyKjmdTW

When are patch notes coming out ?

[fringe lagoon]

Yeah I'm kinda curious why it should be considered bait. Getting to 800+ str would give a lot of damage and solve defenses entirely with conversion to ES%

[fringe lagoon]

Maybe at the same time they've been releasing teasers

[wooden iris]

Hey guys, do you know if anyone in the short history of POE2 made Giant's blood work with 2 2H maces?

[carmine flicker]

in 0.1 2 2h maces were meta for totems

lvl 40 totems were stronk

[wooden iris]

Oh that's cool I guess I missed it, I'm really hoping to see if we can make stampede / rolling slam work with 2 2H for this season - guess its hard to tell without patch notes

[rotund tartan]

so hollow palm basically tags unarmed attacks as quarterstaff right? so quarterstaff nodes on the tree still benefit you even with hollow palm?

[livid hamlet]

Well quartertstaff attacks benefits you with hollow palm .

mace attacks wont ( assuming you have both hollow palm and facebreakers for some reason )

[coarse crescent]

qstaff nodes do not benefit you if you run hollow palm

thats why facebreaker wont either

[charred peak]

Am I thinking of this right -
Blackfire Covenant converts all fire damage to chaos damage.

Does this mean that anything that does +fire damage, AND anything that does +chaos damage will benefit fire abilities?

Is "Ignite" different from "Burn"?

[coarse crescent]

damage increases only apply after conversion in poe2. So only chaos dmg increase applies.

Burn means all fire damage over time effects, blackflame ignite isnt a burn anymore cause its not fire damage anymore.

[charred peak]

Ah, good to know, thank you.

[south meadow]

Is there any good way to prevent hits as a strength based build?

[winged rain]

Perfidy? 10-30% avoidance

[oblique vapor]

When are patch notes ^

@livid hamlet

[sharp thorn]

Block is the most common way.

[thick hollow]

8PM is psychotic behavior

[south meadow]

Block still counts as being hit though doesn’t it?

[south meadow]

Cool thanks this is helpful.

[winged rain]

knockback or slow helps too, so temp chains?

[fading flame]

What does "50% increase blind effect" mean? 20% less accuracy goes to 30%?

[pale meteor]

Does using ancestral bond remove totems manacost to cast and give u max ammount u summon with one click or how does it work?

like pretend i have 750 spirit, do i summon the 10 totems individually with manacost or does it work like other skills that reserve spirit with no mana cost?

thx if anyone has played this )

[dawn saddle]

the only thing it does is instead of them being replaced if you cast more than lets say 2 when your limit is 2, the limit is now based on your spirit. It still costs mana, you still have to summon them one by one.

[dawn saddle]

so with 750 spirit you can see it as your limit being 10. It's no affected by limit modifiers like "+1 to limit of totems skills", but is now modified by modifiers to reservation efficiency

[young cypress]

can you like have 2 spiraling conspiracy at a time so you have double dmg? for example casting sp using time snap skill and then casting it again to create liek 2 instances

[past wind]

Hii guys, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in collaborating in building builds

[tulip fog]

does anyone know if multiple sources of additional aftershock stacks?
i.e. if i equip hrimnors hymn and then play as a Titan and grab the chance to cause additional aftershock from the passive tree would i be able to cause multiple aftershocks?

[vernal lodge]

I feel like i have been getting better with skill tree

[pale meteor]

okays so getting +1 totems etc isnt rly worth when picking this or does the +spirit cost start when u reach the "natural" limit? thx for answer.

[spring ingot]

Anyone got a good theory craft for the raven rf

[charred peak]

How's Spaghettification? Do I need one of the 'recoup damage as life' abilities to offset?

[vernal lodge]

Im going to link my contagion crawlers build and you can tell me what to adjust https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/59q7ou03

[charred peak]

With Blackflame Cabal - as Incinerated enemies are taking chaos, is that considered a chaos dot for the purposes of dark effigy?

[young cypress]

samsung gamer

[quick phoenix]

am i understanding the new phase form properly for chronomancer? if you get hit for 100 you take 70 and then after a 4 second delay you take 21?

[charred peak]

It sounds like a general stagger mechanic?

[dawn saddle]

the spirit cost replaces the limit, it's not on top of it. So +limit is useless

[quick phoenix]

but is the 30% delayed stagger on pre or post mitigation?

[charred peak]

Not sure sorry!

[dawn saddle]

you take 30 damage after 4 seconds, not 21.

[quick phoenix]

how do you know? is there a similar mechanic in the game or poe1 that works like that?

because recoup is calculated post mitigation

[dawn saddle]

or rather, you take 21 in the end since it is then affected by the 30% less damage as well, but it's not just the 30% less that affect it. The base damage you will take is 30, then it is reduced by every defensive layers you have, like armor, damage reduction, resistances etc

[dawn saddle]

I "know" from the wording. I can't be 100% sure but it wouldn't make sense to have this wording if it worked differently than that

[quick phoenix]

thats what i was thinking originally but i dont think this is true anymore because then you'd have to take 30% of that damage until the damage hits 0e

[dawn saddle]

it will just exclude that second hit

[quick phoenix]

so as a baseline with no other forms of mitigation just taking phased form is just a flat 9% less damage from hits and 30% less dot dmg taken

man thats so busted

[dawn saddle]

It deals 30% of damage dealt by an enemy. That 30% delayed damage is dealt by you to yourself, not by an enemy

[dawn saddle]

yeah

[quick phoenix]

is that the strongest defensive ascendancy node in the game?

[dawn saddle]

depends on the build. Some can add way more tankiness like crimson power, grasping wound which is similar but can be stronger, eternal life in some cases, protect me from harm, embrace the darkness... All of these can be stronger, but require investment.

I just cited a few that came to mind tho

[slender furnace]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Petrified_Blood

[dawn saddle]

it's not the same at all

[slender furnace]

In poe 1, you cant mitigate the life loss

[slender furnace]

Yes it is lmfao

Its very similar

[dawn saddle]

not at all

[quick phoenix]

no life loss is not taking damage

its not the same

[dawn saddle]

petrified blood is similar to grasping wounds

[slender furnace]

Similar...do you understand what that word means?

[quick phoenix]

right but its not the same so why are you linking it lol

[dawn saddle]

it means that in this case it's irrelevant

[slender furnace]

Says the guy asking because he doesnt know.....

So do you know the answer or not?

[quick phoenix]

i dont think anyone can definitely say what the answer is until we test it unless theres an existing similar mechanic i'm unaware of

[dawn saddle]

yes I do, and no I didn't ask

[dawn saddle]

we can say what it is since the wording isn't too ambiguous, unless they worded it wrong

[slender furnace]

Oh the other guy asked.

Didnt know you got patch notes plus early patch to test.

You know nothing lmfao

And not for nothing...petrified blood works the same as you described here.

You take 30 because you take unmitigated danage

[dawn saddle]

petrified blood is life loss, not damage

[quick phoenix]

well if you had a flat 30% less damage taken in poe1 you would still take 30 damage with petrified blood

but we're guessing right now you'd take 21 from this new node

[dawn saddle]

no you would take 21 because life loss is after mitigation

it would first reduce the damage by 30%, then you would take 70% of the remaining now and the rest over time as life loss

[quick phoenix]

right, like recoup i guess

[carmine flicker]

It works like that poe1 delirium ascendancy node

[dawn saddle]

oh right

[dawn saddle]

actually no, it's also life loss, not damage

[quick phoenix]

ah thats exactly the node i was looking for

yea it still says lose life

damn

[carmine flicker]

Hmm

Sad

W/e, as long as you survive oneshot you are cool

[dawn saddle]

pretty much, but could be useful to know for specific interactions ig

[quick phoenix]

there could be some interesting mechanics here if your character relies on you getting hit

cuz every hits on you ends up being 2 hits

[dawn saddle]

except the second one is self damage, not dealt by an enemy

[quick phoenix]

yea

[dawn saddle]

torn for example won't work

[jade heath]

are patch notes out yet

[dawn saddle]

no

[jade heath]

[dawn saddle]

poedb says in a bit over 4 hours, but idk where they found that info

[jade heath]

at least ill be done with work by then

[thorny inlet]

Ayo guys, do you think it'd be possible to play Chronomancer with the new Raven RF unique?

[wooden cedar]

What do you guys think should be a strong league starter? One that does not depend on gear and can get through the campaign to endgame rather quickly and safely. I just want to get to endgame to get some economic foothold and then switch to the chrono and the boss tamer.

[thorny inlet]

Wait for patch notes I suppose?

No way to know for now if X is gonna be good. They could just giga nerf it

[slender furnace]

How you boss taming on chrono?

[sharp thorn]

Raven Flock is a unique staff with minion.

[slender furnace]

Thats not boss taming

[sharp thorn]

Oh, I misread, sorry.

[slender furnace]

Np

[thorny inlet]

There is no way afaik

I think they meant having 2 characters? One chrono, one tamer

[slender furnace]

Yeah that was what I was thinking but didnt make sense in the context of them wanting to rush to endgame

[wooden cedar]

Yep, I meant both.

So I suppose no way to be able to tell yet. I'm not asking for the most OP build, just something solid I can use as starter.

[rapid star]

Would Thunderstorm on coc/coea just be a worse and more expensive version of Overwhelmingly presence?

that bein an Ice Strike Falling thunder build

[unborn blade]

Does anyone know what happens with "faster charge of energy shield recharge" if you take eldritch battery? Just want to know if any of the ES charge nodes are worth taking after the fact

[fringe lagoon]

It does nothing

[solar zephyr]

There a website people go to plan a build? Or rather I know there likely is, but what's a gud one?

[rapid star]

best one is a 3rd party tool called path of building, there is a version for poe 2

[solar zephyr]

Ah thank you, I'll give it a search

[unborn blade]

Even recharge rate?

[fringe lagoon]

You have 0 ES so it doesn't recharge

[unborn blade]

Ah damn so im assuming in order to sustain EB you just need a ton of mana regen? Or does EB not scale with base either..

[fringe lagoon]

Depends on the build really and how much mana does EB give you. If you get a lot of mana then your mana regen will be stronger and it might offset the doubled mana costs

You probably want to figure out what to do with defences if you are losing all your ES 😅

[unborn blade]

I was thinking of pairing it with MoM but let me go back to the drawing board lol

[fringe lagoon]

Yeah MoM is great if mana stacking

[unborn blade]

No but my issue is I'm using mana flare

Otherwise yeah it wouldve been nice

[unborn blade]

Elemental archon after spending 100% of mana - does it work with mana flare procs? Each proc consumes 25% of mana so it should be easy to keep uptime for the archon buff right?

[exotic compass]

Archons are not currently worth the investment you have to put into them. If you find a balance between # of passive tree points invested and amount of damage or quality of life gained then awesome, but it's not widely used

[unborn blade]

Just wanted to try something, so does mana flare work for it?

[strong flower]

"Fortifying Cry: Now only consumes one stack when you detonate a shield wall to create a shockwave around each shield wall segment. Fortifying Cry Shockwaves from a single Shield Wall cannot hit the same enemy multiple times. Shield Wave now deals 5 to 7 Added Physical Damage per 15 Armour on Shield (previously 6 to 8)."

Dead build now?

[tawdry orbit]

@eager mantle

[unreal girder]

Lmao witch hunter nerfed

Poor guy was okay for one league

[wet granite]

is meteor not killed?

like meteor coc blood mage is it viable still?

[serene minnow]

rip shock conduction 2 🫡

[carmine flicker]

reformed barrier removed
RIP

[unreal girder]

Yes

So how are companions looking? I rly wanna get baited into spirit walker

[carmine flicker]

ehh, look like it's minion lich again
druid caster dream shattered
w/e

[tawdry orbit]

No mana flare bugfix in the patchnotes? its over.

[carmine flicker]

also infernal legion nerf for w/e reason
rip

[tawdry orbit]

theres a bunch of videos on how OP infernal legion is

[wet granite]

Flicker strike viable?

[unreal girder]

Spell totems are back boys

Finally

[proud lagoon]

is it me

or does infernalist spell totem look completely broken

• threaded light/grip of kulemak

• going low life with the infernalist low life nodes

maybe something with infusions which would be less annoying with totems

[fringe lagoon]

On the topic of totems, the Ancestral Bond notable say "Totems reserve 75 spirit each", is this halved for tactician with A solid Plan (Persistent buffs have 50% less reservation)?

[fringe lagoon]

Yeah

[proud lagoon]

totems aren't buffs

[fringe lagoon]

I might actually look into spell totem infernalist and scale crit bonus to the moon

need a good spell with high base crit chance for spell totems I guess

[sweet rivet]

gonna be spending the next week figuring out if i should be baited by spell totems

[fringe lagoon]

The Soul Mantle Unique Body Armour no longer has 20-30% reduced Totem Life, it instead now has +75 to Spirit.
This can be cultivated

"Non-Channelling Spells cost an additional 6% of your maximum Life", how does this interact with spells casted by totems?

[rapid star]

So the "strong" starters are pretty much the same, Nades, Bow, Mace, and the rest

[loud geyser]

bone blast

[rapid star]

I'm being baited to do a Gathering the storms Build... those changes to tempest belt are juicy