2┃build-planning

[raw dagger]

Ye for sure

[native lance]

this is just a really good generic bowazon/javazon ascend

[toxic ether]

For hollow form stampede, movement speed doesn't scale damage any weird way right? Since the speed of creating images is based on attack speed?

I think that's whirling assault

[fresh flare]

nice,ty

[slender furnace]

Why?

[native lance]

I don't trust the boss AI to be good for clear

[slender furnace]

But we already have minion ai

[native lance]

I could only see it being good at clear with the infernal legion bug but that's 1000% getting patched

but most minions attack very often and you have a bunch of them

the bosses don't attack very fast, they jump around and miss often

[raw dagger]

Crossbows could be good. You have the grenade package

Also projectiles

[slender furnace]

We have no idea how boss ai for players will behave or skill usage. I guarantee some boss will be broken af

[native lance]

grenades could be cool

they don't benefit from proj speed increase I assume

but extra proj from the owl buff is nice

[raw dagger]

Cluster Grenades would be crazy no?

[native lance]

maybe

but honestly I don't want to play cluster cuz it's too much eye cancer

actually, maybe we take 2 points into bear, 2 points into stag, and get a bunch of aoe and attack dmg and use pounce for clear

the wolves from pounce are companions right?

they should get a bunch of dmg from your talisman with the second bear ascend

[alpine fulcrum]

no but the wolves spirit gem is

[rustic tartan]

are lightning arrow and other deadeye builds really much harder to build because people really like fubgun or is it just a myth? im kinda new and i wass thinking about running a lightning arrow build next season but some people told me it isnt really a good idea because of him

[native lance]

the reason why people say you shouldn't play what fub plays is because a lot of people just blindly follow his build, want to buy gear that mirrors whatever he has on his build guide and that drives up the price of these builds on league start

if you learn to craft your stuff and are good at predicting the market, you can somewhat about this or you could make a lot of currency profit crafting stuff for people that want to play these builds

these builds are not harder to play than other builds, in fact most of them are relatively simple

[rustic tartan]

Ooh i see, that makes a lot of sense. Tbh im just looking for some build focused around bows/crossbows, lightning arrow was one of the few that popped up with poison pathfinder

[native lance]

bows and crossbows are both very good and very popular

lightning arrow, ice shot and poisonburst arrow are the most popular bow builds

any of them are pretty good for league start and there's a lot of good resources for crafting good bows and quivers

[rustic tartan]

Oh alright, ill take a closer look at them, thanks alot for clearing stuff up instead of just saying "dont play fubgun builds" lol, have a wonderfull day!!

[native lance]

🫡

[sterile latch]

How do you manage defences with hybrid armor / eva for example ? I mean there's no hybrid deflect / armour applies to ele damage so that seems mediocre

[next moat]

Mark specifically called out Armour/eva hybrid defenses are receiving a buff and some tree changes this updated. So the best answer to this question might have to wait until 0.5.

[sterile latch]

Ok great news thanks. I thought I read somewhere that hybrid were getting nerfed in 0.5 xd

[rapid star]

how tf people play Rake? I'm leveling my ritualist with it and it's been now great lol

[uncut bay]

get a lot of life, then a lot of armor and evasion? hard to do but possible

[steady flint]

Can chain from terrain hit the same enemy multiple times? Mainly thinking of something with Riccochet III

[carmine void]

Does anyone know why when I hover over some nodes on the tree(eg a shock magnitude node) it says it's a dps increase but when I assign it on a second weapon set I see no difference to my dps? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth using a weapon set for my mark but I think I need to assign the mark to a set?

[solid spire]

whats the difference?
do they do the same but are multiplicative with each other?

or is the soul bloom just kinda meh?

[coarse crescent]

it theoretically can, but that support has been disabled since 0.4 cause it was too broken

[dusk narwhal]

shock magnitude is a conditional damage increase that does not reflect in the dps screen

[coarse crescent]

recovery rate means all source of energy shield recovery, including recharge, regen, leech etc. while recharge is a specific recovery. In poe2 they are just additive with eachother tho

[solid spire]

oh ok

so if i am leeching i should go for that

[coarse crescent]

yea

[steady flint]

Oh, haven't played since 0.3 so didnt know.
Damn, was thinking Scattering Calamity or Ember Fusillade with Wildshards, or the lineage wildshards thingy, or both if that would work. Would have been busted as hell

[west pumice]

Ok. So for fun I want to recreate a Robotron style twin stick shooter in PoE2. Controller controls are already twin stick so the scheme is already set.

I picked Crossbow to try first. So what I'll need is a fast firing straight line attack. A " wave shot " style attack that tries to cover the screen in a cone and a finisher bomb style attack that does it's best to do a screen clear.

I think Rapid Shor will work well for the straight line rapid fire atk. Any recommendations for the wave shot attack? Will probably need multishot or something I'm sure

[silent prawn]

For wave shot you have some shotgun style ammunition. Like permafrost bolt, fragmentation rounds, incendiary shot, galvanic shards

[west pumice]

Will multishot or whatever the support is make em spread out in a wide spread atk?

Not sure I like the reloading idea of those .... Hmmm. Would rather have a continuous stream

[subtle vigil]

Is Selfless Remnants working with Acolye of Chayula's into the breach? Thinking of buffing that raven staff with them

[dreamy bridge]

afaik, multiproj just turns them into burst fire. haven't checked with the shotguns

[coarse crescent]

no it doesnt work since the buff to the dmg comes from into the breach skill, wich your minions dont have. The raven staff is also DoT wich doesnt benefit from gain as extra, the command could benefit tho

[subtle vigil]

Unfortunate, I was hoping the ravens/other minions could gain the flames when you pick them up if you had Selfless Remnants. Next idea!

[restive prawn]

is there a benefit to having archmage at a lower level? it makes spells cost more right so more damage brom bloodletting

[sonic shuttle]

any survavibiltiy tips for absolution, i keep dying on t16, bosses sometimes almost insta shoot me?

[coarse crescent]

this the poe2 chat

[sonic shuttle]

oh sorry

[celest blaze]

Alright, so, i have more an objective than a build, but I'm curious as to people's thoughts.

The main thing I want to do is to have a "triple bulb" defensive setup that uses Life, ES, and Mana in harmony to build a large "HP" pool, split incoming damage between the three of them, and have excellent regen / recovery for all three pools. Everything else is kind of in service to those three goals.

Non-negotiable:

• High life, mana, and regen for both
• Zealot's oath
• Taking some portion of damage as Mana
• As much ES as possible, maybe some armor if convenient
• High Arcane Surge uptime

Nice-to-have

• Bypassing ES partially
• Making and consuming Endurance and Power charges for recovery on consumption and other benefits
• Shapeshifting for Devour, Bear Endurance charge generation and other shenanigans
• Resonance keystone
• Melee, no casting
• Low visual clutter (comp struggles with PoE2 effects for some reason)

Possible offensive strategies

• Caster (Thunderstorm / Firestorm)
• Molten strike, possibly with Brutus Lead sprinkler, Ancestral Warrior totems, and / or Dance with Death
• Wolf or Bear
• Shieldbonk

Ascendancies

I'm considering these three:

Oracle
Guaranteed crits are fun and could be used to keep Arcane Surge procced, possibly with the Sanguinatic Rituals. Can get to Resonance keystone easily, and is great at cherry-picking useful things. Probably a caster, though Crown of Eyes is interesting. Might use Nebuloch and Shield-bonk.

Stormweaver
The Arcane Surge 4 pointer is hugely useful. Infusions can be helpful for charge. Double-shock good. Also probably a caster

Smith of Kitava
The Fire Spell on Hit may be interesting, and I'm a fan of this asc ascendany early generally to reduce gearing pressure. Would likely not use the Normal Chest ascendancy (!)

**Ritualist **
Three super-rings and boosting ammies is great, but the bonuses to recovery are crazy. This lends itself to more of a stat-stacking approach. Starting on the wrong side of the tree for Zealot / ES though.

[uncut bay]

is this AI??

[celest blaze]

it is not

just bored at work lol

(I'm a major anti-clanker guy, literally never used it)

it is a 100% human made wall of text heh

[static plinth]

Damn i had my gun loaded with Hierophant MoM Archmage but i clicked on the wrong build planning

[uncut bay]

the obvious answer is a non mana stacking spark comet bloodmage, you have lots of ES, great damage, maybe 1,5k+ life, 1k mana, all 3 defence layers help

kitava bad for ES builds, ritualist bad for MoM

[static plinth]

Can i recommend considering Witchhunter and replacing ES in the formula with Sorcery Ward

[celest blaze]

You can! I've been meaning to think about that and never got to it, good call. Also has 'wrong side of tree" issue.

I'm also thinking about checking out monk skills and using quarterstaves as an offensive strategy

[celest blaze]

I'm more hoping to hit something more along the lines of 3.5K life, 2K mana, 5K es

Also between some hipsterism and FPS concerns, not really looking at spark / CoC comet type stuff

[static plinth]

While Witchhunter does start wrong side, since all the MoM stuff is deep in caster territory you can get some nasty stuff going with 123 weapon set points

[celest blaze]

besides, they'll surely nerf that before league /s

[static plinth]

iirc they did state theyre nerfing comet

Specifically for CoC

[celest blaze]

Yeah I was thinking that. the only real bummer is how it works with jewels and keytstones

[woven current]

Can anyone explain to me how whirling assault works with attack speed? The tooltip damage barely moves when I increase attack speed on my build, but the skill gains attack speed with quality. Is the tooltip inaccurate or how does this work?

Trying to figure out how to best scale this for a build.

[celest blaze]

for instance, if I start at Witchhunter and path to Zealot's oath... I'm not using hardly any of those 123 weapon passives.

[uncut bay]

that is rathpit life mana stacking territory, very expensive builds, ES makes no sense anymore, need at least 5 k mana

[static plinth]

Take your weapon attack speed, apply the skill's aps modifier (i think WA is 75%?), apply modifiers to attack speed, then you add the +1s or whatever to total attack time the skill has

Thats why it barely moves, theres a minimum added at the end

[celest blaze]

maybe. But the life being high is critical, at least. 3.5K / 1.5k mana / 3K ES might be more realistic and would work very well.

[woven current]

Ah gotcha, so scaling attack speed doesnt do much for me I understand

[uncut bay]

this can work, only on bloodmage, but you are limiting your choice of items by a lot when going for 3,5k life. 2,5k is much better

[woven current]

Better to invest in damage than skill/attack speed

[uncut bay]

and 8k ES

[celest blaze]

We will see. Appreciate it, witch hunter is currently winning. Lots of possibilities here

It's likely to become "quad bulb build" now though lol

Then there is guard and rune ward

[gray hedge]

does this line count as hitting twice or once with the damage combined?

same as leap slam

[toxic ether]

" In the case that both hands are used simultaneously, each hand rolls separately and combines their damage into a single hit at the end of calculations" -wiki

[dawn meteor]

hi, im a bit new (i bought early access like the week it came out but never had the time to actually get into the game until now) I'm currently trying to get to endgame before the 0.5.0 update so I decided to go deadeye lightning arrow and was confused on what damage type i want. Should i get physical damage increase or lightning damage? Lightning arrow says it converts physical damage so do i want physical or both?

[coarse crescent]

physical damage increase on a weapon is local, wich gets converted by lightning arrow, but "global" physical damage increase from anything that is not your weapon wont benefit you for your lightning dmg potion of the skill, wich is the majority.

best would be to get a weapon with a lot of physical dmg, because the values are higher than elemental damage and get elemental or lightning damage increases from the passive tree

[tulip fog]

can anyone explain this in simpler terms?

i dont understand the use for this support

[coarse crescent]

if enemy close to electrocuted, enemy will be electrocuted when hit and have an indicator

you can hover over those underlined words to make the tooltip popup btw

[gray hedge]

damn that kinda sucks, ty

[tulip fog]

so, what does it actually do? just show an indicator above enemies that are close to being electrocuted and nothing else? wouldnt i already electrocute enemies without it?

[coarse crescent]

"primed" makes it so you electrocute faster than only when you get to 100% buildup

so you skip the buildup after that

[tulip fog]

ah, so its like that

what way would be the most ideal way of applying electrocute to any enemy? (if i dont care for my own dps) my plan for 0.5 is to use tamed beast and then help it out by applying electrocute for the 20% increased damage taken and the 60% damage bonus to immobilised enemies

[coarse crescent]

hm depends, if you want to run scepter, prolly use spear with primal strike and the electrocute support

[tulip fog]

the new ascendancy have a node that gives 60% of my main hand weapon damage to the beast, so i would preferably want a weapon that has damage in my main hand

[coarse crescent]

yeah then spear is the best way to go

spear in main hand, scepter off hand

[tulip fog]

i wasnt aware i could use a sceptre in the off hand

together with a spear

i thought it was sceptre + sceptre or sceptre as main hand

but if that works then for sure spear in main hand and sceptre in off hand sounds great

@coarse crescent would using this in conjunction with electrocute support reflect the electrocute back at me?

[coarse crescent]

nope, electrocute isnt a shock

[tulip fog]

ok, so this support would do nothing then?

[coarse crescent]

yea

you just want to deal more dmg since electrocute buildup actually depends on how much lightning dmg you deal

[soft hemlock]

It says nearby enemies, I believe it’s an AOE electrocute

Wait I’m wrong

Damn that seems useless as hell

[coarse crescent]

its not useless, its just more than 1 button

[tulip fog]

i guess these would be the best supports then

[dawn meteor]

i just picked up a dualstring bow in act 2, what does it mean it has a 50% surpassing chance to fire another arrow?

and is worth upgrading and using?

[coarse crescent]

dont forget you can hover over any underlined keyword to get a tooltip

[uncut bay]

it means there is a 50% chance you unconditionally fire an additional arrow

[dawn meteor]

is there any way to increase it?

[narrow willow]

hmmm how bait do you guys think it is to use 2 uniques for weapons with the new spirit walker?

focusing heavily on minion damage

[rapid star]

now that the spirit walker is fully revealed, you guys think a falling thunder build with it would be actually good?

assuming the owl works with it

[mossy citrus]

yall is there somewhere i can look for premade builds in?

[rapid star]

maxroll

and mobalytics

and poe.ninja

[native lance]

i'm not sure if falling thunder benefits from owl buff

[mossy citrus]

is there one thats better?

[native lance]

twister and oil barrage seem to be the best if you want to do whirlling slash movement

[rapid star]

poe ninja is where you can see what people are building
Mobalytics and Maxroll are essentially the same, half of content creators use mobalytics and half uses maxroll
I think maxroll has more builds tho

[mossy citrus]

ight i got mobalytics as mine thank you

[rapid star]

probably works since falling thunder has the projectile tag, and projectile supports work with the lightningthat i generates

[native lance]

the main thing is that I don't think it benefits from proj speed buff

which is also a really big part of the owl buff

since it gives a ton of dmg from proj accel 3

[rapid star]

I think I does, I remember an Amazon build using falling thunder with nova projectiles for clearing and having proj accel 3 on it lol
I prob will convert my current ritualist that stuck on a rake build that is not going any were to it and test out

[native lance]

if it does then yeah sure

[rapid star]

also my keyboard switches are dying, had to rewrite the message 3 times lmao

[native lance]

I think spirit walker is a really nice starter next league

because in the worst case scenario if it's really complete doodoo ass then you can just go amazon

I am cooking up something that uses the stag

[rapid star]

It is, so far Martial Artist only has the gloves to look for... since the kagebushin skill is a channeling skill, it's such a downer

[native lance]

now that it generates shocked ground, I'm thinking of trying it with primal strikes since it actually has really good clear and dmg when you can automate the shock

[rapid star]

Yeah was thinking going Owl and Stag for my build as well

[native lance]

also looks cool as hell

[cedar aspen]

Yeah, I think so. The projectile buffs for spirit walker are going to open up a whole host of ranged and spell casting too. Then if you’re not into companions so much and spirits are enough, you could either grab the stags for lightning synergy or the bear for extra tank and qol

[celest oxide]

yeah I am fully here for Spirit Walker Spirit build with spears or bows

the idea of a functional/comfy primal strikes build is cool

idk if I'm feeling twister though

[rich bolt]

Since base upgrading for uniques looks like a thing does splinter of Loretta have a higher level base? Curious what bringing that to a higher item level would do.

[alpine fulcrum]

splinter is the lowest level unique spear, so it has the most room for improving the base dmg

[rich bolt]

Gotcha is there a rule for what it can become?

[alpine fulcrum]

no

or at least not known yet

but generally it seems like the worse the base the more it gets improved

[livid hamlet]

Idea is lightning crossbow spirit walker

Stag spirit builds up sshocks and you can have it constantly later.

So use stag to shock enemies, herald of thunder for clear.

Use the dodge roll feathers for more projectiles.

Bear hangs out , debuffing enemies and shields you

[maiden wren]

Sure but you dont need someone helping you shock as you do with galvanic shards. Increase in projectiles is mediocre with crossi as your clear skills have 10 proj, so 2 more proj is basicly not doing much.

[livid hamlet]

I mean you can scale stormblast bolts with additional proj for single target as well

Which builds use martial weapons and scale well with additional proj ?

I guess we could also abandon stag and try to scale the feathers more

For some spell action

I guess you could go grenades as well but it's just so so boring

[native lance]

what does aoe increases on glacial lance do?

I was testing it out by added mag area and it didn't seem to do anything

[maiden wren]

most used build is going to be twister with spear

[violet yarrow]

is it normal that warcrying then switching weapon will lose all your empowered attacks?

[livid hamlet]

I wonder if molten Blast could work.

Usually they go with Projectile Nova for clear to scale the double projectiles.

But we could scale the amount of projectiles through feathers and then try to one shot bosses with massive shotgun

[maiden wren]

Nova is dead nerfed

Sure molten blast would have more projectiles then

Its quite obvious that twisters are going to be realy good with it as you can also barrage it. And those barrages would also get the projectiles benefit

But i guess you are just trying to look for something else?

[livid hamlet]

Yeah. I want to play SSF for 7 months and play some off meta and learn as much as possible before 1.0

I know that twister will be very strong and I might end up as one , but if for example Molten Blast ( again I won't run Nova here , will scale projectiles through feathers ) will be strong as well I will be very happy about it .

But yeah that +10 projectile twister X 4 repeats barrage was pretty nutty

[livid hamlet]

Actually it can work, if I read this correctly you have 265% damage efficiency on Molten Blast shrapnel

You multiply by 8 cause that's the amount of shrapnel you get

You multiply it by 2 through dual wielding

You multiply it by I think around 10 through feathers

[maiden wren]

just test it with a deadeye

if you have one

try it with +1 proj and see what it does. If its as you thought you could try it

Just looked into molten blast , yea could be something

If you have two one hadend or go giants blood for 2x 2H

now the question is does it actually x2 your proj

If you go multishot you would have 3, if dual wielding makes it 6

[native lance]

what does linger mean here?

does it mean that you still have these effect for a second after you're off the ground effect?

[brittle anvil]

you still get it for 1 sec after leaving the ground

[maiden wren]

that would mean that idk how many extra proj you get from the new ascendency but x many more proj x2 and then they all shrapnel into 8 fragments. If i was you i would try this out on deadeye for the +1 proj then dual wuild and see what happens. Maybe also use multishot. This setup would make you have 4 Projectiles. If dual wielding makes it 8 Proj. You could prolly do what you have planned and get an insane shotgun

If you do that feel free to hit my DM and show me im interested now

[solid spire]

i want to clarify something...
do charms work on the hit that triggers the charm?
or only for hits AFTER the charm activates

[sharp glade]

after

[solid spire]

gg

[minor tree]

I wonder if spirit walker will be better than deadeye for twisters, i like the idea of having a burst build and i've never been quite able to make one

or i may try varashta with the big ice ground shatter command and the new rune they teased that makes it repeat 6 times

[silver gorge]

are there any skills that create terrain I could chain projectiles of ?

[dreamy bridge]

I thought they changed that for resistance charms?

[minor tree]

still waiting for something that compares to surge deathblade (timed buff, hit to stack, press buttom to do immense damage in one hit instantly and reset the cooldown to do it again)

combo as a mechanic is close but i haven't managed to make it work as well as i hoped

[native lance]

I think abyss lich is better than both deadeye and spirit walker for twister

[minor tree]

how so? i thought deadeye was king due to giga buffing barrage

[native lance]

you can move faster and you get more dmg on the twisters even though you get less of them

[minor tree]

while spirit walker gets much more projectile speed (thus more% damage) and shocked ground with the stags

[native lance]

you also get more dmg from low life synergies with abyss lich

[minor tree]

i thought infernalist may be better for low life stuff, there was a post showing them 1tapping arbiter with ice shot using it

[native lance]

yeah infernalist gets 50% more crit bonus

[dreamy bridge]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Umbral_Well
this is how abyss lich scales. very heavy spirit scaling

[native lance]

you can pretty easily get like 20 skele snipers which is more proj speed than spiritwalker with 3 owl feathers and you don't need to roll

but less twisters I guess

[minor tree]

assuming you get 65% projectile speed + another 30% from quality with each owl stack (screenshot shows 68%) 3 stacks is the same as 19 snipers

while deadeye gets sniper mark spam for charges and can double barrage half the time

with no charges barrage is 2x damage
with 7 charges that's 4.5x damage, or 8x if it procs the 50%

[maiden wren]

considering lich starter point is completely ass for this build AND it doenst get the extra proj your take is kinda senseless imo

[native lance]

lich starter is pretty good because you are trying to stack spirit

you start on minions which is probably the easiest build to speedrun the campaign on

you're buying high spirit es chest, reservation efficiency stuff, +2 lvl to minions es helmet

and then you just buy a good spear to transition to twisters

[minor tree]

still, even with 20 snipers it's 285% projectile speed, which is a bit worse than 2.85x damage

deadeye makes it easy to go from 2x to 4.5x with barrage, and it's 8x half the time

[native lance]

and a high attack speed spear for your weapon set 2

[minor tree]

of the two i think deadeye would have an easier time/higher ceiling

[native lance]

cuz remember all the investment on your proj speed for twister is also investment for faster movespeed

because you have skeletal reavers on weapon set 2 to zoom around with whirlwind slash

[minor tree]

fair, you can switch to reavers on set 2 for movement speed

[solid spire]

what stats increase the speed that i can proc living bomb?

is it possible to get "enemies have less ailment threshold"
or "increase ailment threshold damage"

and does it apply on living bombs proc efficiency?

[sharp thorn]

Owerwhelming presence can help.

[solid spire]

this?

[sharp thorn]

Yeah

[solid spire]

hmm...
rn i am using mana remnants

but i did get some passives for mana so idt i need it
so i can try it

[minor tree]

there's always the option of just doing more damage : ^)

[solid spire]

i am going fireball build
so i can go for raging spirits (the skulls)

[solid spire]

true

i do have a problem with damage rn XD

i got like a total of 120 increased damage and +2 to fire spells on staff

idk what more i can get
i just got to act 3

[minor tree]

yeah idk if i'd bother with overwhelming presence that early

[solid spire]

like i said
i can remove mana remnants

what do i replace it with then?

is siphon elements any good?
5% seems ass

ig i can go for blasphemy when i get to 60 spirit

[minor tree]

for 30, srs is legit
otherwise convalescence, arctic armor and siphon elements are all fair

latter is only 5% but you're most likely igniting every enemy and each proc is 1 empowered fireball

overwhelming presence would need to stay low level due to the str requirements and presence area isn't huge

[neon hinge]

So I am quite new to PoE2 but I have played a lot of Poe1. I have heared that resistances are a lot harder to cap compared to PoE1. Is that true? If they are harder to cap: Why is that the case? Is it harder to gain good resistances on gear? Can I expect something like 120+% total resistance on a Ring in a league start scenario at like day 2 for example?

[solid spire]

in my experience, i never cap res in campaign

[neon hinge]

Well in PoE1 that would be somewhat easy with the Help of Purity of Elements. but requires effort without it.

[solid spire]

not really
i was able to cap on campaign
it was a bit of a problem on early maps
bc of the act10 reduction

[coarse crescent]

you dont have purities but you have runes wich are just ontop

[solid spire]

if somebody is ignited i just use snap and get a lot of infusions

[coarse crescent]

what people complain about is that you dont have res swap from harvest

[neon hinge]

So how many Equipment slots would you expect a level 85 build to need to cap resistances?

[solid spire]

well you need curr exchange for that
and he is new

[solid spire]

hmm...
well it depends ofc
but idt it would be that hard

[coarse crescent]

2, depends on how many runes you want to use for res

[solid spire]

if you got rings and amulet, it should be almost all capped (except chaos)

[solid spire]

wait ppl actually use res runes?

[neon hinge]

hopefully 0

[solid spire]

why would you lose defences and damage for sth that you can just get on other gear

oh yea
another thing

@neon hinge jewel slots in this game are to get 1 or 2 of them
so you can just get a jewel too

for me to get to the top of the tree i HAVE to get a jewel slot
so just get one with res
i think they can roll res

[neon hinge]

My current build idea requires a unique weapon and a Unique Glove. Armour gear with Life and that fancy armour applies to ele hits mod which left me with only Rings and Belt for resistances as I did not want to put more than 3 desired high tier mods on my gear for starter gear.

[neon hinge]

Ah thats good to know.. my current tree has 5 sockets.

[solid spire]

armour applies to elem is on the tree too

you dont HAVE to get it from gear

[minor tree]

in short you need a fairly decent res roll in a lot of gear

[neon hinge]

true but my pathing is excessively weird XD. am not even taking armour on the tree. or Evasion.... or ES. Not sure how to fit that but I will figure it out.

[solid spire]

well if you are getting no armour
is there a point going for armour applies to elem?

[neon hinge]

How about this then. How reasonable is this as an early Maps Ring?

[neon hinge]

Well I have a lot of Strengthh so I thought out of the 3 defences I might as well go armour.

[minor tree]

seems good to me

[neon hinge]

Really? The numbers equal to the ones in PoE1 actually

[solid spire]

this one of the builds i am proud of
i am early maps on this

71 level only

[minor tree]

yeah getting all capped isn't that hard, but also not trivial
you'll want a bit of gear with good resists (that has 30% for all elements and all element resist on top, it's all the ring does) plus some 30-40% you may be missing here and there on other gear

[solid spire]

wait...
@neon hinge what build are you going exactly?

[neon hinge]

I am thinking of doing my first ever minion build. The Boss Taming kinda got me interested.

[solid spire]

oh
so you preping for next league

already? XD

[neon hinge]

My Tree looks absolutly horrible XD

Well yes. Gotta be prepared you know.

Also this is probably taking me quite a lot longer compared to build prepping in PoE1 jsut because i have next to no knowledge of PoE2 compared to 1 so I start early.

[solid spire]

dont we need more info to come out about the ascendancy?>

[neon hinge]

My goal is to clear the endgame to see how it feels now. Last time I played was 0.2 and it felt... not that grat.

[neon hinge]

Nah we know pretty much everything I need to know to make a build.

[solid spire]

we do?
what other nodes does the ascendancy have?
where do i check?

[neon hinge]

Well there is a Video describing the ascendency on YT from PoE that came out in the last 24h I htink

[minor tree]

note that we have no patch notes and martial artist is missing 2 ascendancy nodes for now

numbers can change a lot (rip surges on amazon)

the best way to have fun is to just pick a flavor and stick with it

if you think companions would be funny go for it

[neon hinge]

That's fine for me. Not looking for the number 1 build. Just something that can clear the endgame,

[minor tree]

some people pick their build and just roll with it, some go for a fast safe build and then do their build on an alt, whichever works

[minor tree]

then companions should be aok, but ofc depends what is endgame for you

clearing citadel bosses in seconds may not be for every build

[neon hinge]

Clear the Endgame = Be able to kill all bosses. I have already done 15 Minute Maven fights in PoE1.

[minor tree]

then yep you can pick any random skill and get there with it

[solid spire]

the companion build seems nice

i checked the vid

u going for that?

[neon hinge]

Yes

[minor tree]

at worst you can do infernal legion if it still exists in 0.5 with a boss companion

and just walk to the endgame

[solid spire]

i got 1 problem with that build tho...
what do you get on the tree?

you start at a weird position on the tree

[minor tree]

tree should get more companion goodies with 0.5

[neon hinge]

lul. Wanna see my screwed up Passive Tree?

[solid spire]

so you will have to waste some points

[solid spire]

if it does
i will for sure go for it
what skill level is tame beast?

[minor tree]

high, but they hinted that there will be some way around it

no notes yet

for now all planning we can do is very high level and may or may not be thrown out of the window as soon as the notes, or 0.5, hit live

[solid spire]

my biggest problem with the build would be the early campaign
idk why they have done it this way...
untill act 2-3 almost all builds are borderline unplayable

[minor tree]

for me i just want the surge deathblade gameplan : ^)

[solid spire]

?

[neon hinge]

Oh I am all for throwing my planing of the passive tree out of the window. This reminds me of pathing to 4 Voices Jewels in PoE1

[solid spire]

dafaq is that?

[solid spire]

wtf is that?

[minor tree]

it's from lost ark
tldr: you get a 30s damage buff, hitting enemies gets you stacks
at any time you can consume the buff to do a big single attack and refund the cooldown

closest equivalent is combo + falling thunder in poe2, but doesn't hit the same

[neon hinge]

My Current Companion passive skill tree (: (I have no clue what's on the Passive Tree for at least 90% of the nodes)

[minor tree]

there are legitimate endgame builds that look like this

mainly people who have a lot of currency invested in high end jewels

and stat stackers

[solid spire]

ok...
can i complain a bit abt poe2?
are they gonna add build variety?
i am not saying different builds with different abilities
i mean different builds with same abilities
like if you go fireball
u NEED living bomb snap elem curse
and other stuff like that
and you cant deviate from that skill roaster almost ever
only thing you can change are auras and some support gems

[minor tree]

checked, mainly bloodmages doing shenanigans rn with the OP meta build

[neon hinge]

This looks excessively bad though on the offensive side of things This is Cackling Companion. Just as a placeholder to see some companion stats.

[solid spire]

wtf?

[minor tree]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal?class=Blood Mage&items=The Vertex%2CAgainst the Darkness&heatmap=true

if you're curious

[solid spire]

you need stats on this build?
why are there random points on the right side at the start of the tree?
removing them would be free points

[minor tree]

they just want jewel slots + crit

so you end up with stuff like this

[solid spire]

whats up with the right side?
it is useless no?
even the left

[minor tree]

oh it's a heatmap

[neon hinge]

So that build will kill anything for that new fancy Voices Jewel?

[minor tree]

not actual allocation

[woven depot]

This is not one build but an aggregation of popular passive tree routes taken

Yea

[solid spire]

oh

[minor tree]

they did say companion damage was increased by a lot across the board

[sonic shuttle]

do companions benefit from minion modifiers?
if they do will maybe sceptre be usabel on huntres?

[solid spire]

i would like more interaction in this game
i really liked the mana to ES unique

[neon hinge]

Yeah but 160% inc and no attack speed seems so absurdly bad.

[solid spire]

u cant

[minor tree]

about this, un/fortunately poe2 is one of those games where most of the variety is in the decisions you make, rather than the actual moment to moment gameplay

[solid spire]

u need a good weapon

[neon hinge]

At least according to PoB they do

[solid spire]

on companion build
bc 60% of the damage goes to companions

[sonic shuttle]

makes sense, i tougth maybe some + lvls and added minion damage on sceptre could be better?

[minor tree]

but yeah hopefully they add more variety in that regard

[solid spire]

i am not saying variety on the gameplay
i mean on the build paths

for example on poe1 you got archmage support

which changes the WHOLE build

and other stuff like that

[sonic shuttle]

wait, isnt that a node on the ascendency, or in general companions get 60% of the weapon dmg?

[solid spire]

ascendancy

[sonic shuttle]

ok, then maybe a good sceptre would stil be better

[solid spire]

well u HAVE to go for that ascendancy if you want to go for companions

otherwise no bosses as companions

[sonic shuttle]

agreed, but i dont need to pick that node

[minor tree]

i think the biggest draw is idolatry

[sonic shuttle]

that is the second one in the bear branch

[minor tree]

it's entirely possible the bosses end up being ass : ^)

[solid spire]

isnt flat better than the % increases on the scepter?

[neon hinge]

Oh I am using a weapon speciffically for that already. Thats the added physical damage in that screenshot.

[sonic shuttle]

idolatry?

[sonic shuttle]

maybe, but add + minions levels that you can roll on sceptre, and then maybe that ends up being stronger, who knows

[solid spire]

i can say the famous line...

PoB it

:D

[minor tree]

(assuming it doesn't change significantly)

[sonic shuttle]

sure, in 16 days 😄

[minor tree]

plus this, again, if it still exists in 0.5

[solid spire]

whats the weapon choice?
i saw a unique one on the vid

sth abt removing companion cap

[sonic shuttle]

i wouldnt rely on the current tree almost at all, they said they dont like it and are changing it substantially

[jaunty mulch]

Really wish we knew the small nodes

[solid spire]

PLEASE DO

[sonic shuttle]

do what?

[solid spire]

change the tree

[cedar aspen]

If I had to hazard a guess, some of them would be like x% increased companion damage

[sonic shuttle]

im just gonna go with teh flow, I know I want to tame bosses and what exactly i play ill pick up on the way 😄

[jaunty mulch]

Prolly but would still be nice to know

[cedar aspen]

What would you change about it? The spirit skills themselves seem pretty decent

[jaunty mulch]

U got somthing similar for new monk?

[solid spire]

oh...
i was talkibg abt the passive tree XD

[neon hinge]

Just so I do not misunderstand: I can Tame multiple beasts as my Companions, right?

[sonic shuttle]

yes, but only one boss

[solid spire]

there is a limit
and a unique can remove the limit

[jaunty mulch]

Thx

[minor tree]

note the 2 missing nodes
and remember that numbers can change a lot

yes i'm still salty about amazon surges

[sonic shuttle]

I think some node on the tree can also remove it

[neon hinge]

What would stop me from Taming a LOT of Rare Beasts and 1 Unique then?

[jaunty mulch]

This is the thing im most hyped for

[solid spire]

no idea
i just saw the vid and it said it there (abt the unique)
idk abt other ways

[solid spire]

skill slots

you dont have infinite of those

[cedar aspen]

So if I’m correct you can use Killing Palm on the ghostly bell to gain powercharges? Making it easier to do in boss fights?

[neon hinge]

What about Spirit? I know at least some minions have a Spirit cost to them. How does that work for Tame Beast? I have also seen in the Video that the UNique Tamed Beast hase something like 47% spirit reservation.

[sonic shuttle]

i think it does generate charges

[solid spire]

no idea
like i said i never played companion build before

i didnt even know they need spirit XD

[minor tree]

for me personally i am most keen on:

1. big combo payoff, closest to surge deathblade gameplay
2. cull martial artist
3. Big screen wipe twisters (deadeye/spirit walker) or varashta

[minor tree]

should work that way, yes

for now it has the duration tag, so you can get -50% and -30% reduced duration gems

unlike align fate (which was turbo bait, rip)

[cedar aspen]

Someone already brought up on reddit that the node they showed for The Natural Order had the “Companions possessed by azmeri spirit…” removed but still shows them possessed in the footage

[dusty frigate]

is it possible to make a build around spear of solaris?

[bright agate]

Is grenade shaman viable ? i was thinking about using crown of eyes to convert spell dmg from rage to ad

[alpine fulcrum]

the spell dmg from shaman is more, not increased so it doesn't get converted by crown

[coarse crescent]

what she said ☝️

[violet yarrow]

is it normal that warcrying then switching weapon will lose all your empowered attacks?

[fossil flint]

they seem to be removed; only one clip in the entire video has a wisp activating; every other one including some longer than 10-15 seconds has no spirit abilities showing up at all

it must be mismatched footage from before/after the change

[carmine flicker]

do we have any info how loyalty support works with multiple companions?

[honest grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RU0ATC62fk made a short video on the benefits of 1 handed EQ

[hoary bolt]

i was testing this like 2 weeks ago and its fantastic

[honest grail]

[hoary bolt]

yeah i was spreading propaganda to my friends

[coarse crescent]

[honest grail]

I prioritized skill speed over lowering duration further at first

[hoary bolt]

you would know cooleen

[honest grail]

the 1 hand nodes are actually pretty sweet

[hoary bolt]

i was gassing it up hard

[coarse crescent]

im not in your guild

but yes i know

[hoary bolt]

idk what else to call it

[honest grail]

55% inc dmg 11% inc aps 15 dex for 6 points

[coarse crescent]

kek

[hoary bolt]

not in game guild

[honest grail]

And Aftershocks notable is just 30% inc aoe for EQ straight up

[hoary bolt]

yeah the 1h

'wheel' is amazing

[honest grail]

everyone who thinks like this just doesn't know what they're doing lol

[minor tree]

huh TIL

[honest grail]

I think super optimal leveling would be to use EQ for clear like this and have a meatier weapon in swap that you just default attack with lol, but EQ damage does get close

but you could use weapon swap points to make the gap bigger

if you got a good talisman maybe you could keep that for pounce + shredding boss

damn I made a typo on one of my annotations lol

[bronze ermine]

I was hoping to use ancestral cry in my build using weaponset 2 on warrior with a bunch of extended duration nodes. But when I use it as soon as I swap back to weapon set 1 is drops the buff. I'm doing this same thing on my druid but it stays on, what am I doing wrong?

[rapid star]

what is a cheap way to solve Power Charge generation without the unique support?
playing as if it my character had no resources... and atbm I'm strugling with it and with hving enough damage to kill even t1 map bosses lmao but that might just be a passive tree problem

[coral finch]

not sure if this is the right place but i wanted to ask for a class suggestion for the new league, i've played 2X lightning archer, a barefist monk and a vine druid. i prefer high mobility AOE type classes (Druid was low mobility but good aoe still had fun) wondered if any others sort of fit that description?

[exotic compass]

Cultivated red flare conduit but say goodbye to your body armour

[exotic compass]

Explosive shot? Run and gun, big explosions. Crossbows are getting a new grenade base type which provides a unique buff to cause grenades to explode on impact, in which case you could run ANY of the grenades (maybe not gas?)

[sage jungle]

Does freeze support on herald of thunder still work?

To help proc herald of ice

[exotic compass]

Yes but heralds have a specific interaction where they cannot proc each other

[sage jungle]

Ah so i freeze with herald of thunder but gotta shatter the enemy myself to proc ice herald?

[exotic compass]

Herald of thunder could hit something and bring the monsters freeze buildup to 67%, then you smack the monster and it fully freezes + dies + explodes

Yup exactly what you just wrote

[sage jungle]

Ok thanks

[coral finch]

hmm i remember explosive being relatively slow with aoe that kinda had to be aimed rather than like the pure AOE of LA/Monk fist being basiaclly 360 degrees but yeah that's an option have to see what happens with the cannons coming

[exotic compass]

You can just run around shooting your toes and everything dies

[rapid star]

was thinking of it, but was trying to think a way to solve it, in a league start scenario too... since new league is coming the end of this month

[exotic compass]

Earthquake has one of the largest base aoes of any skill, check titan or smith chats for some recent conversations about starting with it

Scale reduced duration to get near-instant procs

[coral finch]

ok so it has the AOE needed then it's just lower mobility like my vine druid

[exotic compass]

Mercenary has a lot of movespeed/reduced penalty while moving

Assuming you get a little reload speed until running the lineage gems such as arjuns, it should be a very fast clearing build

Spam explosive shot for clear, using any of the three heralds to assist

Dump a few long fuse explosive grenades when you need extra power, and detonate them wit your main skill

Gas grenade or oil grenade as additional buttons for pinnacles

[coral finch]

hmm fair i was simply comparing it to the bird riding 0 reduction in firing speed and monks attacks not only dashing when used but also teleporting ontop of any enemy on screen

although my issue with monk was that it didn't use a weapon it became extremely expensive to get good stats across the build missing 1-2 full items. and LA is always just popular and expensive in general

[exotic compass]

Druid is by far slower and less AOE than explosive shot, but sure rhoa wins

Qstaff is weird, unless you run whirling assault you are almost always going to be worried about enemies behind you. Ice strike feels like wolf skills, lotta forward swiping

[coral finch]

druid was relatively slow but the vines were very satisfying and strong aoe

i did try ice staff monk before fist and it was cool but i liked the aoe on fist more, it was just substantially harder to build, almost reserved for the privileged rich og players

getting the top end attack/cast speed double slots for gloves was almost a necessity for it which was like 80-100div gloves

[exotic compass]

Almost a necessity mhmm

Sure 😅

[coral finch]

and that was likely in the first month of the league once i hit a brick wall on character progression i tend to quit

i mean it worked okay how i had it but it wasn't great, i was still not super hard to kill which was a death sentence for mapping also a big deterant from farming

i needed to be able to delete elite/tougher enemies faster for safety

plus the atk speed is also just mobility for the monk which i really wanted, it would have felt so much better to play in general

[rapid star]

Can anyone help me understand how tf my damage is so low on T1 map bosses? xD
I have a few t5 support gems, and what i think a decent weapon for T1 maps... but for some reason, takes forever to kill bosses

https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/1b0e5

[cedar aspen]

Is 216% increased chaos damage too much if I’m getting around 36% chaos damage gained as extra?

[brittle anvil]

not sure what you mean here

[dreamy bridge]

probably diminishing returns? extra chaos is more effective with those numbers but can also be harder to get

[soft hemlock]

Idk ur build and I don’t wanna comb the whole thing but u should do 3 things: a) check all your skills and support gems to make sure they have atleast a basic synergy, then make sure those stats which you’re going for, lightning damage, crit, bleed wtv, are maximized in ur passive tree. Then drop bars on a brand new weapon with just fuckin loaded dps and some crit chance and extra lightning modifiers for higher damage

I’m a noob myself but those are the basics

[carmine void]

Is there a POB discord? I'm having an issue and I'm not sure if it's a bug or not. Don't really want to report something to github if it's a mistake or misunderstanding that I'm making

[scarlet mason]

what's the name of the body armour with the same mods as malachai's loop again?

[violet yarrow]

If I wanna do a mana stacking build as a monk, do I always want to path toward the bottom of the tree for those attributes nodes or is it not really worth it?

[granite haven]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/1b0f9 guys do you think it could work?

Its for the spirit walker

[steady breach]

planning builds for lvl100 is usually not ideal, you want it to work properly by like 90-95

[fringe lagoon]

It depends if you are stacking intelligence as your source of mana or not. If you are there is also the consideration of anointing polymathy (if it's too far from where you want to be) or using a megalomaniac jewel.

Also whether it's worth or not pathing there kinda depend on where you are on the tree and if there are other important nodes in the area

[violet yarrow]

tbh I'm not too familiar with mana stacking, but is there any other ways to do it on tree aside from attribute stacking? When you get EB all the ES nodes don't do anything, and I don't see much max mana node on the tree.

[fringe lagoon]

I'm not sure, I have played mana (int) stacking in 0.1 and haven't kept up with new tech after the big nerfs on 0.2. Best is probably looking into poe ninja builds, sorting by mana

[violet yarrow]

understood, ty for the input!

[tidal birch]

What is your guys current opinion on the new monk ascendancy for league start and what skillgems do you guys think will be good with it?

[alpine fulcrum]

looks decent

should work well with any builds that benefit from having something to cull or stun whenever you want

[silver urchin]

Looks cool, need patch notes

[minor tree]

atm i'm pondering a forge hammer + stampede martial artist, with power charges that's a lot of aftershocks

[fleet stream]

Hollow palm is definitely a safe choice to start the league with. If it will scale well enough to stay relevant at endgame is dependent on what kind of new items or nodes will buff it more than Staves

[minor tree]

idk about hollow palm, found it very underwhelming this league

went for it to speed level an alt, but picking up 1-5ex qstaves was better

[grave spire]

I’m about to get back into the game after a break. I saw a barbarian build with bouncy shield lightning smash but can’t find it. Anyone know what build I’m talking about?

[tidal birch]

do you maybe mean the new unique shield reveal for this league? #poe2-news message

[fleet stream]

So what ascendancy would be recommended for grenade launchers? Pinning tactician ?

[grave spire]

That’s the one

[coarse crescent]

deadeye is easily the best grenade ascendency right now, the +1 projectile and mirages are a massive multiplier for grenades

[fleet stream]

I played turret tactician in 0.3 with lots of grenades. Was fun but I needed sunglasses 😎

[fringe lagoon]

Looks pretty good to me and 2 ascendancy nodes aren't even revealed yet. The gloves node and tattoos can be a lot of stats (even with 0.4 runes) and the bell nodes can be dps and utility (knockback, rage, blind etc..). Not sure about hollow form, could be good with a lot of movement penalty reduction maybe, anyway it needs quite some support.

[slender furnace]

Its probably going to be rare. This is a second build type thing most likely.

[queen escarp]

how do people sustain demon form in campaign?

[eternal meadow]

Anyone figured out a Spirit Walker build that's neither Companion build nor Twister build?

[vivid kiln]

The patchnote is to be expected next week, isnt it ?

[next moat]

Yes a week from today

[vivid kiln]

Ty

[coarse crescent]

its a mid tier boss drop, not gonna be that rare

[slender furnace]

Thanks...so story pinnacles?

[coarse crescent]

its from it that was tul, wich are part of the story quest yea

[slender furnace]

You know where the companion scepter drops?

[coarse crescent]

bodach it seems

the ritual pinnacle

[slender furnace]

This all on poedb? Or where you getting the info?

[coarse crescent]

from the reveal and lore context

[native lance]

it's also on the page for the new league on the official poe 2 website

[livid hamlet]

How rare is crown of the pale king ?

I was thinking about thorns martial artist but i understand you need that helmet right ?

I want to play SSF

[native lance]

tier 3

pretty common

odds aren't exact estimates for the odds to chance it

[livid hamlet]

Hmm maybe it's still feasible than ? Wanted to do some weird crackling barrier + hollow form setup

[native lance]

you can probably find it pretty easily from either ritual or nameless seer

remember ritual only has uniques and omens next league

[slender furnace]

The drop locations?

[native lance]

yep

for that a bunch of the other uniques associated to specific league mechanics

[livid hamlet]

Oh that's nice.
Swapping is pretty easy in PoE2 right ? It's mostly about gear, cause tree is pretty cheap

[coarse crescent]

yeah swapping is fairly easy to do, i swap my builds like every 2 days

[pliant veldt]

anyone excited for the new bow with the wisp mechanic i feel like it could be good

[silent prawn]

How would I go about Scaling Hailstorm Rounds?
I'd be interested with using it as Chaos Acolyte of Chayula

[crude hedge]

Yo guys

[dusty frigate]

any advice on building? I want to make my own fun builds, but I dont knw how to start

[inner thicket]

https://youtu.be/SkPXA8GnzyM?si=O9u9KtIUQ047PxQJ

[slender furnace]

Learning the game is side and out. Borrow things from similar builds. Id suggest starting with attack based builds as I find them easier to build around then spellcasters, but maybe that's just because im more familiar with it.

[honest grail]

best place to start with making your own build is looking at poe.ninja and seeing how people already use the skills/uniques/ascendancy nodes/etc. you plan on building around

[bronze ermine]

do melee damage, attack damage, and fire damage all stack additively?

I'm trying to understand why I have a node that gives me +50% fire damage is only giving me about 10% real improvement.

[sharp thorn]

If you mean increased damage then yes, it does. Every instance of increased damage that can be applied to your damage is additive.

[olive basin]

increased = additively.

[bronze ermine]

I'm still missing something, because if I look at my tree, I've only got ~274 increased damage, that +50% should be giving me an 18% overall bonus, not 10% that it is really giving me.

would the brute strength node affect that as well?

[cedar tulip]

manifest weapon cannot trigger skills from the weapon that it manifested right?
Thinking brutus lead sprinkler and manifest weapon

[sharp glade]

no minion can trigger anything

[coarse crescent]

they seem to be able to trigger you

[cedar tulip]

Is there a interaction I can test for this? ^^

[slender furnace]

You need to understand how the damage calculation works. Look up increased (additive) vs. More (multiplicative)...should be lots of info.

[sharp glade]

its been this way since poe 1, try any support gem that gives a triggerable skill like fiery death, it wont work. Or give them esh's choir with necromatic talisman, they wont trigger the lightning bolts

[cedar tulip]

I know this is the case for poe1 ^^ but I don't think it can be directly translated to poe2 without testing it first

[sharp glade]

i literally just told you how to test it lmao

and gave you 2 separate examples from poe 2

[cedar tulip]

ohh sorry :3

yee tested with esh does not trigger it ^^

[soft lake]

Okay, @mild shuttle, replying here because it's probably a better place for it.

I've done a quick bit of POBing. So there's 16% increased attack speed during flasks from Stimulant, and 6% attack speed/25% increased damage during flasks from Imbibed Power. So not a huge amount of offensive stats, but not 0.

I'm not sure if Heavy Drinker's guard will work or not—I assume it's only granted when you use the flask, so probably not.

Outside of Heavy Drinker and Hard To Kill, most of the flask nodes are quite reasonably positioned for a ranger/huntress to grab without much extra pathing, too. And not too bad for a monk or merc.

With a perfect flask, and clicking every life flask node on the tree, you're looking at ~1750 life recovered per second. ~2500 if you use your anoint on Hard To Kill as well. Every second. It's not conditional on hitting, it doesn't stop if you hit full life. As long as you don't get actually one-shot, you're probably going to live through anything. A lot of "one-shots" are actually multiple hits in quick succession—multiple monsters hitting you at once, multiple projectiles from a monster hitting you at once. Having that level of recovery really helps to negate those, and means you genuinely only have to worry about the big slams, big crits, etc.

It also means you don't need leech, you don't need regen on gear, etc. Not necessarily a huge deal, but it's nice to have. And it's a form of recovery available to DOT builds, minion builds, etc.

Even this basic skeleton of a tree is giving ~900 life per second (with a perfectly rolled flask), plus the 22% attack speed and 25% damage. This is 44 points spent, and it's not like you're pathing out of your way here.

And the chest is giving up to 56% more armour/evasion/ES if you cast that sigil and build it up to max stages. So while it's lacking in stats itself (no life, pretty bad armour/ES), a global multiplier on your defences could definitely help make up for that.

Perfectly rolled flask is a 20% quality ultimate flask with Sapping prefix (80-100% increased life recovered, 15% of life taken from mana when used, but you never use your flask so that last bit is irrelevant)

I'm not saying it'll be the strongest build ever, but that much consistent recovery feels really good, and I don't think the investment required is that high

[mild shuttle]

Im glad you’re so enthused but the point still stands recovery is meaningless when u only die to oneshots lategame anyways the item is only good for supports, the flask nodes are not nearly good enough to justify the use of it

I hope im wrong and some banger flask builds end up being born but i highly doubt it

[soft lake]

I think it'll be very good for DOT and bottom right minion builds, especially, and probably not so popular for hit-based builds where recovery is easier to get through leech or whatever

But I do think constant 900 recovery per second feels much, much smoother than 900 recovery per second through leech. Like how Slayer's leech in POE1 feels so strong compared to regular leech, if you're familiar with that

[mild shuttle]

Yeah of course but you dont have to give up your arguably most valuable slot in most cases for it

[soft lake]

It's certainly got a high opportunity cost! But I do think there will be instances where it'll be a good trade-off, and not just for support builds

[honest grail]

frankly we don't know how many new degens there are in all the reworked endgame mechanics and pinnacles

[mild shuttle]

Nothing the life flask doesnt solve in most cases

But yeah ggg does love degen

[honest grail]

at the risk of repeating myself, you literally don't know

[mild shuttle]

So you would equip that item just for some anti degen? xdd

[honest grail]

Kulemak already had a big DoT based attack iirc

[west wharf]

don't forget about waistgate

if they don't fix the waistgate remove u can 2x all of this

if they do fix it u can still choose to sac ur belt and actually wear waistgate

[soft lake]

You wouldn't use it just for anti-degens, but being great against degens is another point in its favour, for sure

[soft lake]

Oh, true!

[west wharf]

also even if u don't stretch for all the tree life recovery stuff there's also greater vision runes you can potentially pop in

i'm not 100% sold on the chest in a vacuum cus ur losing olroth's, but you can push thousands of regen/sec with it so it may enable some wacky builds with rly high life costs, i.e. zerphi's infamy setups without requiring 0 duration titan

[soft lake]

Yeah, I think there will be some interesting things, for sure

Lethal Draw quiver, too

[west wharf]

if ward ends up being given to us in generous amounts then it could for sure be a really comfy chest to use

[soft lake]

Actually, there's also Shav's belt

Which may be better in some cases

Also essentially 2x recovery if you're a hybrid life/ES build

[west wharf]

i'm hoping they just forget/don't care enough to patch the waistgate bug again

they haven't for 3 leagues straight so

maybe they don't care again a 4th league in a row lol

[soft lake]

I wouldn't be surprised if this chest makes them notice it

[west wharf]

oh they already know it

it's just so low prio they haven't fixed it

[soft lake]

Yeah, I meant that it'll probably bump it up the priority list

[west wharf]

waistgate doubleflask bug with shav satchel would be some insane regen tho yea

[west wharf]

ya, fingers crossed it's not important enough and we just get 8 morbillion regen/sec for free

[soft lake]

Well you would have to pick Waistgate or Shav's, unfortunately. But both essentially let you double up on the flask recovery

[west wharf]

wym

you can use both effects if they don't fix the bug no?

bug the waistgate wear the shav's

[soft lake]

Oh true

That will be so silly if it's an option

[west wharf]

yea straight up 4x multiplier on the regen

[soft lake]

I'm not sure how much ES you can realistically get with some flask scaling in there as well as using that chest, but if you can get enough to have enough HP to survive regular one-shots, you're going to just be immortal

[west wharf]

xantho's idea not mine, but you can technically also double/tripledip with azmeri brew going amazon

if u have dmg taken to mana

and have the option of giga sustain to mana as well

def a lot of interesting options to look at with the chest

[soft lake]

Yeah, it feels like a theorycrafting dream

[west wharf]

in general i'm pretty excited for the uniques they've teased

they seem to rly be going in on trying to make actual usable uniques

[soft lake]

It's the sort of thing that's been missing in POE2 compared to POE1

[west wharf]

apparently the "new guy" that designed shankgonnes is blasting a lot of these out

which tracks

cus shankgonnes are cool as fuck

i am so down for actual cool build-enabling uniques that i won't instantly remove with loot filter

which also makes me a little excited for easter eggs

[soft lake]

Yep! I don't care if they're 1ex uniques either, as long as they're cool to build around

[west wharf]

shankgonnes have an easter egg where if u use the octo pet it divides every time u use the shankgonne rocket jump

i wonder if any of these new uniques will have lil easter eggs too

[soft lake]

I had no idea about that, that's so cool

Yeah, stuff like that is so awesome for them to add

[cursive void]

getting life recovery to get 1 shot by every rare because you lost 40% evasion and like 1k es from chest🤣

[magic pier]

question for the amazon players
does the Stalking Panther notable work with Subterfuge mask?
do i get 4 Evasion per ES on helm?

i assume it doesn't but it doesn't hurt to ask

[soft lake]

I'm not an amazon player, but I don't think so. I'm pretty sure both are based on the values listed on the item itself (POB screenshot, those circled numbers would be blue in-game)

Subterfuge Mask isn't adding the evasion to the helmet (ie, it's not being listed there at the top of the item), it's just giving you evasion based on the helmet

[tulip fog]

"increased skill effect duration" doesnt increase bleed/poison duration when applied by a skill right?

and "increased skill speed" wont make the bleed/poison tick faster/deal damage faster right?

[west wharf]

no

[west wharf]

no

[west wharf]

no

[inner thicket]

you want "damaging ailment deal damage x% faster"

[keen spindle]

Hey guys, new to minion stuff, which staff do u guys think is better to get?

or do i forgo crt rate for a different mod?

[exotic compass]

Poisonburst is the exception. Skill effect duration scales the poison from the cloud

[rapid star]

I have a dumb question about falling thunder projectiles... if I use it to close to the boss, does it not count the projectiles damage? or has a chance not to?

[dusty frigate]

If I am running hex blast, should I still try to build crit somehow, and if so how?

[gloomy gazelle]

Has anyone made this work?

[sharp thorn]

I only know how to do it in theory. It will cost you a lot to make that work.

Well, maybe not in 0.5 but anyway.

[coarse crescent]

i did and its fairly fun, best way is probably oracle cause you can get a ton of multipliers for the first poison you apply. You can also use the keystone that doubles rage but removes rage effect, since that support is not counted as a rage effect.

[livid hamlet]

How do maces deal with single target ? Ideally dual wield single handed.

I was thinking about running a mace spirit walker, homing stags with feather boosted molten blasts for clear and try something for single target.

[alpine fulcrum]

first wait for patch notes to see if they fix the dual wield bug that makes you attack slower

[livid hamlet]

Oof

Do we know when patch notes drop ? Cause If they buff firestorm I'll just play that :^)

[alpine fulcrum]

21

[magic pier]

if i have waistgate on and i use two life flasks at the same time, do they stack?

[vivid kiln]

Question. Is it better for a Wyvern Oil barrage build to craft a Fire/Lightning added talisman or a pure Physical one ?

[alpine fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118165205025828884/1311680666219577434/templar-waiting.gif

[inland fractal]

Any viable totem builds? Shockwave? Spark?

[eager basin]

For Huntress levelling, I'm seeing a lot of spear tech, but is it more doable for me to just start a ranger to get the bow and gems for LA and lightning rod and just progress until I hit act 3 where I can transition to spirit walker? My theme in mind is the zookeeper.

[minor tree]

ok hear me out, what if spirit walker 3x feather + projectile acceleration + runic ward into base damage support gem + bonestorm

[eager basin]

I feel progressing with LA bow is much easier than learning the parry disengage exploding spear tech

[minor tree]

base damage boost + big "more" damage multiplier, double dipping with the impales

[azure pendant]

do we think the new monk ascend will be good as a starter?

[livid hamlet]

Ranger can't become spirit walker right ?

But yeah leveling with LA is much easier.

From what I understand LA and talismans are the easiest to level with

[silver urchin]

SW is Huntress

[eager basin]

I meant I league start with ranger, go to town after killing the miller, stash the bow, quiver, LA and LR then make a huntress and equip those

[livid hamlet]

I wonder what a good build for Hunters that Focuses on the stag would be. I want to get all 3 companions but expand the stag.
Problem is that you also want to use the feathers and they are pretty niche outside of twister.

I want to try either maces with some small feather action scaling molten Blast projectiles for clear, or maybe some staff .

Falling thunder also scales with projectiles, with homing Stag shock and clear it might be pretty nice

[livid hamlet]

You can, or you can wait for the gems to drop .

They are not that uncommon

Definitely no need to keep leveling as spear early

[coarse crescent]

muleing like that is not really viable in poe2 cause gems dont naturally level up. You also get enough uncut gems right away from the first couple quests to just make em yourself in a higher level

[minor tree]

probably average

[livid hamlet]

Historically new ascendancies have been bonkers

[minor tree]

best, before the notes hit, are likely varashta and kitava in terms of how easy of a time you'll have

former free damage and tanky, latter free defenses + just stack fire res

[livid hamlet]

Doesn't that scale mediocrily? It will just give you 6 more bones, it's not that much

[minor tree]

i dont mind the extra projectiles, it'll prolly just make you charge almost instantly, not raise the cap

but 20x + lots of more damage (from projectile speed) + significant base dmg boost

[livid hamlet]

Wait how does projectile speed scales more damage ?

I'm unfamiliar with this mechanic

[minor tree]

projectile acceleration 3

proj speed -> more damage

[livid hamlet]

Increased damage

Still nice but no where as important as "lots of more " damage

[minor tree]

hm i may be misremembering then, i remember this gem being nuts with spark last league with indigon

then spirit walker twister is just worse deadeye too 🤔

since the extra twisters don't shotgun

[livid hamlet]

That's cause spark scales with projectile speed, cause it can hit things multiple times

Bonestorm doesn't

[minor tree]

oh i meant in terms of damage, ingame and pob too

with a single hit as well

[livid hamlet]

It's why everyone and their mother plays spark, it has more scaling avenues

[minor tree]

any proj speed gave me so much

applied to any projectile spell i tried

[livid hamlet]

Well 210% increased damage is nothing to sneeze at

[minor tree]

indigon was giving me 1500% for reference

[tulip fog]

thanks

[livid hamlet]

But probably not at the expense of 4 ascendancy points and having to wait 5+ seconds for 3 feathers

[tulip fog]

thanks

[livid hamlet]

Well there you go

Isn't it just indigon being insane for base hit and then projectile speed support being used cause well

[minor tree]

yeah so if it was increased it'd be a miniscule buff, but i remember the boost being huge with proj acc 3 and speed

[livid hamlet]

You need lots of it to make spark not feel for ass

[minor tree]

hence i thought it worked as "more"

i'll have to recheck the pob

(later when i get home)

[livid hamlet]

Nah it says that increases to projectile speed work also on damage.

So the 40% more projectile speed doesn't work either. Cause its not an increase.

Spark generally builds lots of projectile speed so it could still be massive

I don't know the actuall numbers but some mid 3 digit increase % probably is the goal

Generally the feathers do seem like they were made for either twister or spark

[eager basin]

i tested it just now, it takes 2 minutes to do the beginning with ranger and huntress so it'll take me 4 minutes to mule a bow, quiver, and the two skills rather than 10+ minutes of questing and looting while having to deal with spears

[coarse crescent]

10 minutes? you get your first uncut right when you reach town

[eager basin]

yeah but what about bow and quiver

[coarse crescent]

you can buy white ones for like, 50gold?

but you do you

[eager basin]

oh ok i did not know that

i didnt check the shop for that

[coarse crescent]

i mean, if you really absolutely dont want to play a single scond with a spear, then thats fine, thats up to you i guess

[livid hamlet]

I wonder if the stags can hit the bosses multiple times if they home on enemies

Cause that would be pretty great

[eager basin]

yooo its even lower, a bow's 33 gold and the quiver's 40

i guess this would save me the excess time, and yeah i really dont like melee skills outside of flicker

[coarse crescent]

they should be able to shotgun

[minor tree]

checked, seems i just misremembered, wenk wonk

then spirit walker twister is kinda ass vs single target compared to deadeye repeating barrages 🤔

but comfier when mapping

[livid hamlet]

That would be pretty nice.
They have 362% weapon effectiveness * 1.4 ( second ascendancy ) * 4 steps * 3 stags equals about 6000% damage effectiveness in best case scenar

[silver urchin]

yes, an AR15 is worse than a nuclear bomb, I agree

[minor tree]

that pretty much sums it up yeah lol

[silver urchin]

[livid hamlet]

Well you can still barrage and you have easier access to shocked ground

[minor tree]

would be interesting whether lots of proj speed + free shocket is better or worse than boosting barrage from 2x (no charges) to 4.5x pr 8x (all charges with called shots)

on paper prolly the latter but also needs tree investment while spirit walker doesn't

[livid hamlet]

I really think that stags might actually be quite decent all rounder. 2k% damage effectiveness per stag and homing

Slap in an area increase and it might be both decent clear and single target

[silent prawn]

anyone has a tip for me?

[livid hamlet]

I don't think there much to say.
Get purple flames and as much chaos increase as possible, scale weapon damage , wither your enemies

Hold on does flicker strike count as moving ?

[silent prawn]

ignore Cold dmg nodes on the tree?

[coarse crescent]

for chonk, yes

with just flames you end up with 70% of your base dmg being chaos

[silent prawn]

alright thanks

does it make sense to path towards the Crossbow reload nodes on the tree or is that a waste?

[coarse crescent]

too far away

you want to path for crit and chaos dmg

[still wadi]

Does anyone know how negative armor break formula works (for the imploding impacts of warbringer)? I tried using the normal damage reduction formula but that one gets a bit wonky when -ve armor applies

[coarse crescent]

nobody knows the exact formular but it seems to just be the normal formular but increased instead, meaning its good for a ton of small hits but bad for large hits

[still wadi]

Hmmm thats interesting, I'll do some testing but that formula (thats been shown on maxroll and reddit) has a very interesting problem where the denominator becomes 0 (this will change dependent on the mobs armor) and the damage scales into infinity. Assuming they have protected against infinity damage JUST either side of that number has massive % increases

Unless of course they're just taking absolute numbers and changing the reduction to an increase

[coarse crescent]

its not infinit damage cause its still capped to 90% like armour is

[tulip fog]

if i have Maligaro's gloves equipped, which sets my crit damage multiplier at 250%, and then use Snipers Mark, will the extra crit damage multiplier from Snipers Mark actually apply?

or will Maligaro's gloves override it?

[coarse crescent]

maligaros overrides it all

[pine salmon]

anyone got a good sanctum runner build for carrys aswell ?

[exotic compass]

Pretty sure corner cheese Amazon with la LR is still solid anything ranged with high damage and instant hit damage as opposed to DoT

Otherwise YouTube is a good resource for this, you'll probably find Glitched in some of the search results, they are also around here sometimes

[marsh kiln]

Hey y’all
I need some assistance here
What is the best gear to run that will correspond well with these skills
I have the body armour and talisman I want but looking for the others
Please help 🤙🏻

[pine salmon]

okok thanks alot

[slender furnace]

You should look.up a build on poe ninja using the skills.

[exotic compass]

Also ice bite should not be on shred (hard to tell cuz someone posted phone images instead of a link to their build 🤔) it should be on lunar assault with deep freze

[exotic compass]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Droid-3945/pl81355/character/Clanstall

Anything I'm wearing should be incredibly cheap on trade, like 1ex cheap. Compare your support gems to mine, I'm still messing with shred supports. Life leech 3 + rending apex + rage 3 is a solid trio, but long fuse and martial tempo are good as well.

Tldr you want life, resistances, attributes on main pieces, flat damage to attacks is nice on gloves and rings

+Level of melee skills on gloves and amulet is great for damage but as you can see I'm running neither, partly because my weapon is strong for this level and I don't want to drain my entire mana pool every swipe

[narrow carbon]

I’m doing a grenade mercenary and I’m not sure the best in slot for a crossbow and the most affordable type

[marsh kiln]

Thanks mate will do

[marsh kiln]

This is great cheers bud

[exotic compass]

One thing I've been delayed is fixing my pounce. Right now it's applying predators mark + mark of siphoning but I should put freezing mark in there as well. For some reason while leveling I thought siphoning and freezing were mutually exclusive and once I realized I've just been lazy

[marsh kiln]

Yea right now I have blazing critical, holy descent and charged mark and want to add freezing mark but I have been incredibly unlucky in finding greater jewellers orbs

[native bear]

can someone please help me with my build? im trying to get a lot more damage 🙁 https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1504712926097838140

[marsh kiln]

Actually how do I share my build ? So that I can get an assist with where I need to improve ?

[vivid kiln]

Anyone knows for a Oil Barrage Wyvern build how should i craft my talisman in endgame ? I've seen much different version (full phys, phys/lightning, lightning/fire, etc) but nobody explained why they chose this.

[cedar aspen]

Personally would use a talisman that uses phys/lightning, with % increased to elemental attacks to boost the damage of Oil barrage when it is empowered with powercharges.

If you want to just use Oil barrage as your main skill, there’s a really bonkers build out there for it. Or you can see what talismans people are using for wyvern and oil barrage on poe2ninja

[cedar aspen]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bmTuHitx3Ys&pp=ygUWcG9lMiBvaWwgYmFycmFnZSBidWlsZA%3D%3D&ra=m

this one uses Amazon but there’s key takeaways you can adopt from it

[vivid kiln]

Oh, ty !

[exotic compass]

Poeninja website, self explanatory once you're there

[wise dew]

I'd like to go Liminal Coil, thoghts on this?

Wait, i'm stupid, magnitudes are zero

Wait... "ignore curse limit", does that mean that i don't need "additional curse" ?

[coarse crescent]

yes

[wise dew]

Wait, that's insane

wtf

????????

[silent prawn]

well curses won't add any debuff but you get dmg from the weapon

as I understood it

[wise dew]

I understood it so

The more curses, the more damage

Damn, i might go Bloodmage then..

With bleed..

The new spell is chaos + Phys..

[coarse crescent]

bloodmage cant benefit from chaos for bleed

[glad mist]

New to poe2 was trying to make atziris temple for new season… is this the goal? I’m completely lost

[dreamy mulch]

I want to play a character that is melee based this league, but have no clue what builds are good for it... can someone help? I have no clue what to pick

[silent prawn]

we don't know how the balance will look in the new league yet.
question you have to ask yourself, how do you want the melee to look?
martial arts/cold/lightning or slams/fire

there is also wolf/cold and Bear/fire

[inner thicket]

Jonathan said on showcase that "snake" strategy will not return

[glad mist]

So that is dead? Nice

[fossil flint]

They said that when rooms destabalize they will be replaced with a blank corridor so there’s no longer any protections by not being at the end of the run

[honest grail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile2builds/comments/1te4t9o/clarification_of_dual_wield_attack_speed_bug_with/

did a writeup on this for Angormus lol

[orchid narwhal]

What would be another good class for essence drain + contagion besides lich?

[exotic compass]

Oracle, chayula

Chrono is neat

Varashta works as well

[neon hinge]

Hi. I am wondering about self casting spells that feel nice.
I have tried looking at Ninja for inspiration but the vast vast majority of spells seem to be triggered.

[exotic compass]

Plants, despite throwing in CoC a lot of the time, are fine with manual cast

Chaos package definitely comes to mind, no one is using meta gems for that

[orchid narwhal]

Thanks. I'm stuck on that 30% more damage node lich gets but I just don't want to make another lich.

[exotic compass]

Likewise you can get into some black flame + EDC setups and that opens you up to add some fire

[neon hinge]

Are plants playing like cast -> they hit something -> cast? Or is this more of a duration thing?
Is the Chaos Package hit based?
I would like to crit with my self casts.

[exotic compass]

Entangle and thrashing vines both have durations. During these durations they use cast speed to determine hit rate. Taking the wildsurge incantation keystone lowers their duration a ton while increasing damage substantially

This keystone is a big reason plants feel good to play

For EDC you would place totems, which can crit, but nothing else in the chaos package would benefit from crit unless you're goofing around with hexblast

[silent prawn]

Chaos is dot based mostly.
plants can hit and crit. some go as far and play it as Bloodmage

[neon hinge]

Ah that might be interesting then.

Thanks for the input!

I will see if I can find a video on how the Plant skills play.

[silent prawn]

look for Plant daddy ;D
Build by Raxx

[neon hinge]

Is that a YT channel? A build name?

[exotic compass]

Deadrabbit has a good guide, and others such as lily, ziz, path of evening, ky, and raxx.

Plants are very flexible with how you set them up, so just get an understanding for the basics and you can tinker as you go

[neon hinge]

Sounds neat. i will have a look!

[neon hinge]

So I realized that I have absolutly no clue what kind of weapon I can reasonably expect after around 30 hours of playing in a leaguestart scenario. For context sake at that point I am pushing a full atlas completion in PoE1 usually. I have a lot less experience in PoE2 though. For now I would just like to have a generic Spell casting weapon. Is a weapon like this reasonable?

[honest grail]

we have no idea really since new league mechanic can dramatically change what crafting and drops we have access to

[neon hinge]

How about picking this up from the ground then? How unreasonable is this just as a loot?

Or is this something that needs to be crafted?

[fringe lagoon]

This is something that would need to be crafted. You'd use an essence to add the level to spells

[neon hinge]

Oh that essence sounds like very good news to the atainability of a weapon like this. I have mostly put on generic dmg for the skill I want to use.

[wise dew]

Yes but

[coarse crescent]

[wise dew]

Sec xD

The ability is 50% phys and 50% chaos

Wouldn't it be okay to go both bleed + chaos damage for it?

And high crits

It fires 2 projectiles at the same time

[coarse crescent]

might aswell just go poison instead and get the benefit for both

[wise dew]

Hmm

Okay, wtf do i play then

What ascendancy lol

Oh god, no, don't tell me i have to play Ranger for this one

[coarse crescent]

you dont

you can just go lich for tankyness and explosions or smthing

or oracle

[wise dew]

Hmm

[coarse crescent]

or even better, go critfernalist and ignite + poison hybrid

[wise dew]

Can i skip the Demon Form?

[coarse crescent]

yes

[wise dew]

👀 Wait, but how do i tank the 15% fire damage

[coarse crescent]

you just become ignite immune by reducing ignite duration on you by 92% with a rare body armour mod and an against the darkness

infernalist also allows you to get extra spirit to slot more curses into blasphemy

[wise dew]

👀 Oh shit, you are cooking

I will look into this

[coarse crescent]

im THE infernalist main, if you got infernalist questions, just ask

[wise dew]

🔥 I've never played it, thanks for helping, i'll try to prepare as good as i can for league start. The new wand seems to drop for some pinnacle boss or whatver, so i'll have to play something else before that

Well, some kind of Infernalist

Or i might go Lich and then respec.... Hmm.. Many options..

[coarse crescent]

the problem infernalist might have is that the spell doesnt have the best base crit

[wise dew]

Hmm..

I will wait with the cooking until 21 then, gonna see what's new in the patch and all the runes etc

Maybe there are ways

[neon hinge]

I want to play a self casting Infernalist. What's your spell of Choice?

[wise dew]

To boost spell crit

[neon hinge]

Demon form

[coarse crescent]

bonestorm or any cold spell

[neon hinge]

Reasoning?

[coarse crescent]

infernalist shines the brightest with high base crit spells

you can have perma lowlife with 1 reservation node and coward legacy wich gives you access to pain attunement and infernalist has a 50% more crit multi node so you get like 95% more crit dmg

demon form is kinda bad tho

[neon hinge]

Why is it bad? I thought the tons of more dmg would scale really well. also 35% inc cast speed afaik.

[coarse crescent]

cause they removed most viable sources of getting enough regen

10 stacks is fine, uncapped isnt

[neon hinge]

How many stacks would you say would make it worth it?

[coarse crescent]

10 stacks is good enough, 30% more dmg and lthe cast speed is all you need for 1 ascendency node

[graceful dagger]

anyone got a link for a beginner level witch minion build plz

[neon hinge]

Hmm yeah the downtime might be too much of a downside.

[rapid star]

as someone who is terrible at understanding gear progression... what is a good quarter staff to start maps then a mid one for yellow and one to T15?

[barren nacelle]

Are there any guides on mana stacking ?

[frail sedge]

Why are there no vorana jewels with added mods like "conquered attribute passive skills also grant..."

?

[rapid star]

cause they are random, beased on the seed number on the gem

jewel*

and unlike in poe1 where we could crack the code and predict what passives a seed would give, now the seeds change according to characters
so if you get a "perfect one" in one, and move that to an alt, or buy one with same number, that alt will end up with a complete different arrangements of passives avaliable, from tthe ones offered by the vorana

in resume, buy a bunch, try until you find one that has decent or better combo of passives, sell the others

[fringe lagoon]

Dunno about guides but u can sort builds on poe ninja by mana

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal?sort=mana&columns=character%2Clevel%2Clife%2Cenergyshield%2Cehp%2Cmana%2Cdps%2Ckeystoneskill

[rapid star]

Now for a question of my own, is Ritualist's Blood Boil Bait? don't seem to work on bosses for the extra 15% damage

if my english is not terrible

[honest grail]

hmm, I wonder how good that life regen flask would be if you stacked a lot of those 'lose 5% of max life/s' uniques with it

[rich pine]

I am currently planning a character for party play and its going fantastically!
I got them to do everything I need but... funnily enough... so far everything is completely automated.
As in I don't have a single button to press atm, which is nice but also kinda a waste :D

Considering its a Chonk, I will have to run around and collect Remnants most of the time, but I still would like to have... something useful to do during downtime. Is there anything I can occasionally spam that helps out my carry?

(I already have curses and wither automated, and I do not have enough points to invest into a big expose)

[dry knot]

does MoM prevent the life lost from Demon Form?

[formal silo]

you do not even need to run around and collect the remnants, with the right setup they are automatically just going to you😂 . You can also be mark person and apply marks and you can try some totem stuff if you are looking to be more active, depends on your comp

[rich pine]

Marking is a good idea! What do you mean with totem stuff?

[formal silo]

if you are running around looking for stuff to do, you could be applying totems also, either shockwave, spell or dark effigey, depends on your comp

[pearl pendant]

Maybe dumb question, but I'm assuming that anything which consumes rage like this:

Will give the rage damage increase before eating it, right? So in this case, you'd still get the 10% more from rage before it eats the 10 rage?

[gaunt mortar]

yes

[pearl pendant]

Thanks. I figured, would be a little silly if it didn't, but wanted to confirm because there are worse bugs in the game. lol Had wanted to make something using Ritual Cadence, but that thing has been broken ever since it was added.

[subtle oak]

druid or stormweaver coc?

[rapid star]

is there an passive way to apply blind? like an aura of sorts?

[rapid star]

Oracle has 100% crit chance I beliece, comes at the cost of having 0% increased damage on crit if unlocky tho lol

[formal silo]

sandstorm visage

[rapid star]

aw I have to sacrifice the healmet for it

either that or a support gem

[formal silo]

blind on winddancer if you get hit

[rapid star]

i'll try it

O shi... My dumbass forgot i'm using charged staff... should just put it in there lmao

[fast skiff]

when looking at a node like this in PoB is there a way to see what the fuck "void illusion" is other then having to alt tab, google it, and read the wiki

[silver urchin]

It should appear in your skills tab when you allocate it? IIRC

[fast skiff]

not seeing any helpful information here either

[silver urchin]

That was my best guess
In that case, hover over its name and press f1

[fast skiff]

well, that's at least faster

[rotund tartan]

can someone explain how HOI chaining is supposed to work? I get that you need HOI + armour break + armour explosion to start, then polcikern to shatter chilled enemies, but what else?

apparently poison and crushing blows are needed too? but I don't get why

[subtle oak]

i see

thank you

[coarse crescent]

those are not needed atall, what you need is a source of "gain as extra physical damage" so that your HoI deals phys wich can armour break.

Like perfect essence of abrasion on your weapon

[cedar tulip]

Split the earth has 10% chance to splash for strikes, but tribal fury is 100% chance to splash
Am I missing a mechanic here?

[coarse crescent]

just powercreep

[silver urchin]

10% aftershock is very very good

[sleek slate]

is there any way to get 3 frost bombs?

[neon hinge]

I have been trying to find a table that shows Gems sortable by their Tags, crit chance, cost, dmg effectiveness etc. like these tables do for PoE1
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/List_of_skill_gems_by_gem_tag
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Spell
https://poegems.com/

Is there anything like this for PoE2? So far I have only seen Tables with Stat requirement type.

[neon hinge]

There are sources of +x to limit if that is what you mean.

[cedar tulip]

Ahh I meant the splash from that node, the Aftershock is good yeah ^^

[neon hinge]

Does anyone know how much effective hitpool I need to survive T15 mapping given very good recovery/s? I am not looking for a specific number just ballparks because I want to know if my current defensivelayer is passable or just paper.

[sharp glade]

8k at least

[silver urchin]

I know what you meant.
The mechanic you're missing is the 10% aftershock.
If you want splash, take tribal fury. If you want aftershocks, take the other one.

[wise bluff]

Guys I am planning to play whriling assault on monk next league. While looking at build most top players use like only elemental dmg buffs on the skill but i thought that it is like physical dmg. Does this mean they boost the dmg from staff that hass "adds x lighting/cold/fire dmg" and they multiply this dmg or is it like something else that i dont understand

[neon hinge]

How do you even get a good max hit taken as a life build? Honest Question, I am not experienced.

[coarse crescent]

use sacrifice of flesh, add some "damage taken from mana before life" sources, get deflect or armour/ele armour

[sharp thorn]

Twisters can consume grounds to add elemental damage.

Passing over Elemental Ground Surfaces or Consuming an elemental Whirlwind will grant twisters extra damage of that element.
Elemental twisters Gain 50% of damage as damage of the corresponding Type

Physical weapon is good for late game since you have much higher ceiling of damage than on elemental weapons.
Sry, I misread.

[neon hinge]

On Currently my Tree can pick some Increased armour and Evasion Rating nodes or instead evasion rating only. I think I can choose either but I thought the strength would be nice for more max life.
I am looking up Sacrifice of Flesh now.
I have replaced my mana with Infernal Flame

[coarse crescent]

uhh thats twisters, he asking about whirling assault

[coarse crescent]

you dont really want to split up into hybrid evasion/armour, rather go pure on those. Also please for the love of god do not use infernal flame

[neon hinge]

Oh Sacrifice of Flesh looks nice. even when taking more total damage I think my recovery should be able to handle that. kinda like 25% more maximum life.

[neon hinge]

Hmm why not? Does it not make using skills free given enough life recovery?

[wise bluff]

my question is more like can 'add lightning dmg' proc shock so herald of thunder too?

[coarse crescent]

you have an easier time just slapping some mana leech on a ring than trying to keep up with the damage you take from infernal flame. It also just takes away from potential max hit through mana before life and is a completely wasted ascendency point

[sharp thorn]

It's not worth it to build around infernal flame. You can just use mana flask for a time if you starve on mana.

[coarse crescent]

yes.

[sharp thorn]

Yes, lightning damage shocks by default.

[wise bluff]

ok thanks

[coarse crescent]

its always funny seeing people talk about "chonk bad cause darkness" when infernal flame exists

[neon hinge]

So I have tried to find a 4th point for Infernalist but Altered Flesh seems underwhelming, Not sure what Bringer of Flame would do for my Cold build and Loyal Hellhound seems kinda pointless(?)

[coarse crescent]

altered flesh is actually a really good defense node, especially if you get a bit of armour/elemntal armour, since damage taken conversion comes before the armour calculations, reducing the hit damage that is used for it

also allows you to focus in on max fire res to get more reduction to the other elements

even with just capping chaos res its basically 15% less physical damage taken

[native bear]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Tizgart-2988/vaal/character/Lill_blood ive tried to follow the coc guide, but its shit, cant kill anything 😢 please help

[summer pasture]

Surely the secret node is for chonk and will make the ascendency great

[sharp glade]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516

play ES

[coarse crescent]

the ascendency is still better than baitvoker

[rapid star]

Is the perfect essence a suffix or a prefix? I don't think I can give a prefix up to have it lol

[rotund tartan]

got it. thank you

[coarse crescent]

prefix but 100% worth it

[rapid star]

Do you still need a lot of cold damage added so you wont need the unique ring? or at least the lineage support that gives extra cold damage on freezing a target?

[coarse crescent]

depends on how much damage you actually have, on high end the gain as extra cold is enough, but if you dont have high end items, its better to use polci to make it smoother

[quartz snow]

quick question how do I gain faster atack speedwith my whirling slah on huntress been trying to figure that out and these guides aren't very clear on it and Im not sure if their is like a certain unique I need or anything

[rapid star]

You can't, the skill has a minimum "execution" time of 1 second, even if you lower it to 0.01 it will add a +1 second to it's time

most videos using it are either from 0.3 or speeded up or both

oh sorry, I thought you were talking about whirling Assault not Slash lmao
my bad

forget everything i said

[quartz snow]

lol not playing monk lmao

trying to get some practice in for new league

[rapid star]

I still think most of the time people speed up their videos lol
but things that give Attack speed / Skill Speed
Get a source of Onslaught, either the essence on the weapon or the Savage Fury Spirity gem
A good attack speed mod on the spear (most important of all)
There are 3 support gems that cam be used together, four if you count the lineage one
Faster Attack II, Cadance (you need to use a different skill every 3 uses i think) and Rage III (needs a constant spender of rage, you could use rage forge on Whirling Slash)
Assuming you gonna use Increased AoE gem, that leaves you with only 1 support gem for damage

surprisingly monk side of the tree works really good for it... lots of nodes for damage and Aoe there

[quartz snow]

what I have on it right now is rage 1 and rapid atacks

[rapid star]

yeah rage III is 15% more attack speed while not capped on rage

Savage Fury is pretty Free for onslaught, and it does increase damage too
you can also get attack speed suffix on glove and the Idols that give attack speed when equipped on the glove

[quartz snow]

it's not mainly used for damage im using it to empower my twisters

thanks for the help

[rapid star]

glad I could help even a little

[quartz snow]

yeah I respected some of my passives out for skill speed and got rapid atacks 2 and much faster

[pale meteor]

can beasts have modifier / aura that boosts freeze build up or cold dmg

on allies

[inner thicket]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Monster_modifier

[keen charm]

can anyone with experience with ice nova stormweaver build help me with single target? I'm at interludes and single target is falling off hard 🙁

[mint summit]

What are you using for single target?

[rapid star]

when that happened to me, It was because I completely neglected getting Exposures (frost bomb), Elemental Weakness curse, and some nodes the help with cold penetration
You can also, and I strongly suggest, Use Ice Wall for single target

[mint summit]

Also do people have coa/coc by interludes? What level are those :|

[rapid star]

40ish to 50ish

they are the 3 mini acts before maps so you should not have good enough gear to go crit

[mint summit]

If not ssf you can get acceptable gear by then though.

I recall bonestorm coc coming online vs bosses pretty early

[rapid star]

I like to have above 75% for coc, but that is me being stupid probably lol

[native lance]

question for any primal strikes experts, does this skill have anti synergy with all the bonuses against enemies that are shocked?

eg this

if you hit a shocked enemy with final strike of the skill and consumer the shock to get the stampede, will the stampede not get any of these bonuses against shocked enemies because the shock was consumed?

[rapid star]

And now for a question of my own:
I gave up Whirling Assault, went back to my fav Ice Strike
But I'm still being stubborn about doing lightning damage, so besides having a lot of add lightning damage on gear, is there something like embitter support but for lightning?
Kinda want to make Ice Strike do Electrocute instead of Freeze, I know is dumb, but i hate Lightning Flurry, it lacks nice impact feeling and sound effects

[dreamy mulch]

Looking at that skill, it does seem to have the same problem that armor break consumption skills had in earlier patches. Being that it consumes a damage up thus requires annoying setup.

It is also worse than those old skills were because the stampede will occur AFTER shock is consumed, it will not get the bonus from shock

Which is really silly

Stampede is a projectile so it has an animation, so it isn't instant damage

[native lance]

at least the first 2 strikes of the combo still shoot out a spirit which should still benefit from the shock

but yeah it's kinda silly

[mint summit]

You could pick up the Endless Circuit passive for a 25% chance to reapply shock on consuming it

[glad spruce]

for Plasma Blast, additional projectiles cause more beams to be fired in a spread, is there a way to overlap those and will that increase the damage taken? (also can the explosion part of the skill overlap?)

[native lance]

yeah that was my plan but unfortunately it's only 25%