2┃build-planning

[late laurel]

Here's that regen during a map

[agile remnant]

with high armor it seems to work ok

[west wharf]

most life regen sources are % based

[agile remnant]

oh god that health gives me anxiety haha

[west wharf]

outside of sacrifice of blood stuff where you’re chunking out your entire life pool regularly

but you have super low life

so % life regen isn’t very powerful

[late laurel]

My health is only my health if I have no mana

[agile remnant]

oh ok

[late laurel]

My mana is my health and that's usually permanently at 1.5x the max, so around 6k

[agile remnant]

i wish my rage boosted my health or something somehow

[late laurel]

Cuz Mana Remnants go hard

[agile remnant]

i just want to be anger bear thats tanky

devour is realy nice for sustain with ZO

but fukin i couldnt eat anything in simulacrum

[west wharf]

at least personally I’d recommend focusing on either life or ES

you can be a reasonably tanky bear with 4-5k hp, defiance of destiny, and like 20-30k armour

or you can go hard on ES and go for more of a CI type setup

[agile remnant]

ah well theres the one that consumes my rage to heal myself but that works awfully with furious wellspring and stuff

and doesnt work with ZO of course once again

[late laurel]

Just convert ZO with one of the conversion jewels

[agile remnant]

hmm?

[late laurel]

To either Black Scythe Training or Sacrifice of Blood

[west wharf]

basically he’s saying ZO stinks and to either not take it or convert it into an entirely different keystone

😖

[agile remnant]

lol

[west wharf]

which I wholeheartedly agree with

[late laurel]

Mentioned above, the Undying Hate and Heroic Tragedy Unique Jewels convert the passives within their radius to something else, namely Sacrifice of Blood for Undying Hate (requires setting up Life costs) or Black Scythe Training for Heroic Tragedy, which just gives you a buttload of ES

Just pop it into the Jewel socket right near ZO and it'll convert

[west wharf]

I hope you’re using an infernal or ancestral cry setup too

[agile remnant]

yea

[west wharf]

otherwise that wellspring line is possibly the worst node in the game

[agile remnant]

thanks for explaining that btw

[late laurel]

Sacrifice of Flesh (another option from Undying Hate) may also be pretty good

[agile remnant]

idk energy shield having delays on hit is annoying i like the idea of chuggin through since im meleeish

[west wharf]

I think he’s a rampage build so sacrifice of flesh prolly isn’t usable

doesn’t have regular skill costs

oh wait

flesh bot blood

yea flesh is usable

[agile remnant]

yea wellspring was annoying that it made me go into spell damage on the node before, but i have the crown of eyes which really turned things around

[late laurel]

Here are your options for converting ZO (Ignore the bottom right passives in both pics)

[west wharf]

the more spell dmg doesn’t work with crown of eyes btw

[agile remnant]

oh ty!

it seems to be for me

[west wharf]

it doesn’t, it has to be increased spell dmg sources

ie from mystical rage

or the hybrid nodes on the tree

[agile remnant]

oh that

[west wharf]

unfortunately the shaman node doesn’t do anything for coe

though the +13 max rage going into wellspring works toward mystical rage ofc

[agile remnant]

well im glad mystical works cause its way better

yea

well it was ncie either way because my character was built to be where i cast spells in human for for setup then run around in bear

more for CC really, though i have that node where shocked tagets take 30% more damage which is cool

slow with entangle, shock with storm

comfy stuff

80% spell damage from boon of the beast works for a bit too which is nice when i swap to bear. though im not sure if the 80% sticks through a whoel channel or not

ah anyway i better stop ranting thanks for the suggestions guys

[west wharf]

naur that’d fall off p sure

[late laurel]

You know, in theory, if you get 1600% inc life regen rate SoB breaks even with every skill use. Seem pretty easy to get lol

[west wharf]

it’s only some specific stuff that gets snapshot across the entire rampage channel, ie empowers and aftershocks

[late laurel]

But with 400% inc life regen SoB breaks even with nonstop skill use

Which is much more achievable

Still not achievable I don't think

But still

[golden shadow]

Does anyone know if Warbringer's node Warcaller's Bellow ignores the cooldown of Lunar Blessing's moonbeam trigger?

[west wharf]

very much doubt it since that’s an attack component rather than the warcry itself

but worth a try

[barren nacelle]

Do spectres buffs stack if they're the same buff ? Example: 10% increased effect of wither from you

[uncut bay]

if you write a long question not knowing where you are at least have the decency to mention what game you are talking about

you force people who have no idea about your game to read your long question

[obtuse zealot]

I did notice I'm in PoE2 help, oops.
...Also "force" and "long text?"? it's 6 lines of text if that bothers you neither PoE 1 nor 2 are your game o_O

I can easily shorten that tho that is true.

[uncut bay]

just stop wasting peoples time is all

[rugged barn]

anyone used pathfinder concoctions this league and how did it go?

[mossy harness]

Just wondering of any other builds out there for running temple with few friends that isn't coc?

[late laurel]

CoC is pretty dang good atm but I'm running a build rn that can pretty easily just be switched out for CoA

Or are you wanting to avoid Triggers entirely

Oracle makes Scattering Calamity with Spark CoC work, but if you wanna run CoA instead you can actually swap to Shaman on the build and just use a different spell and achieve much the same setup with less gear dependence besides getting a good Staff

The build currently relies on Unborn Lich's Spirit modifier, specifically a high roll for it, but Shaman doesn't have to do that and can use Rage for Spells easier

So Ember Fusillade + CoA Living Bomb, Fireball, or Firestorm would achieve much the same playstyle and everything

[verbal lark]

So I’m low level rn (36) and running spark infernalist (with plans for firestorm later). Should spark have good single target DPS. And, if not, what are the normal solutions to bossing at both low levels and high levels?

because my single target rn is real bad

(early act 3)

[agile remnant]

My talisman says it had 82% increased elemental damage with attacks. When does this damage boost get applied? Ive been stacking phys since a lot of my attacks get converted.

Is it applied at the end if everything and lumped in with modifiers from the skill tree for example?

[static torrent]

It's additive with other increases, because it's not directly affecting the weapon's damage.

Whereas stuff like 'increased Physical damage' is specifically increasing the weapon's damage, so it has a bigger impact.

[agile remnant]

Oh i see. I wonder if id be better off stacking more phys then yea

Mines only a t5 physical damage increase

Thanks!

[severe eagle]

Any ideas why my secondary weapon is unusable even with no spirit skills equipped?

[static torrent]

Most likely the Augments, some are limited to one, which counts them even if they're in a separate weapon set.

[hybrid ocean]

Hey, I vaguely remember a unique or something with a similar effect to archmage but for life, adding a % of max life as cost

Any idea what I might be thinking of?

[late laurel]

Bro turn down the blue on your monitor god damn

It's gonna burn out your eyes

[oblique sluice]

hello. what's the best class for a volatile dead build? mainly fire (or chaos if taking that keystone) damage. just some sacrifice skellies for corpses

[clear heron]

Abyssal Lich prob

[hallow cloak]

If i have 100% of skill mana cost converted to life cost , why do i still drain mana on skills ?

[late laurel]

Abyssal Lich is good but apparently people use it on Smith of Kitava a lot with his Fire Spell on Hit

[late laurel]

Does it only say Life when you hover over the skill in your skillbar? Do you have Archmage? Mana Burst?

[stark bloom]

I want to make a build centered around the fairgraves curse artillery bow. Which ascendancy would the better option? Titan or pathfinder?

[mossy harness]

I'm going to assume stormweaver can't carry in temple correct?

Or just sorceress in general

[brittle anvil]

it’s not the class that's carrying the temple

[mossy harness]

yeah i figured

more like the skill

[uncut bay]

rathpit

[uncut bay]

first damage is converted, then all increased damage mods and passives are added together

[uncut bay]

meta is oil grenade, lightning arrow, lightning spear, explosive shot, explosive grenade, spark without meta skills works well, rampage, rend etc

[uncut bay]

buy good items with + to skills, life, resistances, increased damage, skill gems with many support sockets, use orb of storms, ele weakness, frost bomb

[icy hollow]

Hi, I tried putting together a Culling Strike build with Killing Palm and Decimating Strike. It works great and looks fantastic against white mobs, but some magic, rare, and unique mobs are tough to defeat. Is there any way to increase the damage? I don't want to use another skill for that; the build I'm using is fist-based, and I do use Hollow Palm... Has anyone tried something similar? How did it go?

[mossy harness]

rend?

[icy hollow]

I'm sorry, what do you mean?

[uncut bay]

rend is one of the best clearing skills

[icy hollow]

I see, thanks. Actually, what I'm trying to do is based on Killing Palm, and it deals physical damage. It looks so cool when it hits multiple mobs thanks to Culling Strike.

If anyone knows if this is feasible, please reply, I would be very grateful. I'm going to sleep now, have a good day or rest.

[mossy harness]

where does that come from?

[uncut bay]

can you ask more clearly? rend has big damage, big area of effect and its fast, youtube is full of rend builds clearing the full screen with herald of ice

[mellow coral]

Rend is a talisman skill

If you shapeshift to a wyvern you get it

[mossy harness]

Oh thanks that's what I was looking for.

[agile remnant]

Trying to see how valuable it is for me on my druid. I like to swap forms a lot. My current talsiman has like 90% increased elemental but i wonder how that compares to stuff like +5 melee skills and such

Im trying to upgrade to a maji talisman. So i guess the “elemental damage” thing has the same effext if it were magically thrown into the passive skill tree? A global

[brittle anvil]

yes it's global

[uncut bay]

yes

its all increased damage, one big damage bucket

[verbal lark]

actually, one thing jus occurred to me. Played a lot of 1, playing 2, but curious. Do “increased” mods of different types stack the same as “increased” mods of the same type for damage? I.E would having 30 % increased lightning and 30% increased elemental damage be a 1.6 multiplier or a 1.69 multiplier?

[static torrent]

Increased is additive if it's applying to the same source, even if they are different modifiers. The only difference is whether it's a local or global modifier, like with increased Physical damage on weapons affecting the base damage, which is then multiplied by global increases.

[verbal lark]

ah yeah that’s how o thought it was

thanks, now I know I’m not insane

[thick dove]

getting mjolner oracle build together, how important is nebuloch for weapon set 2/shield wall?

[inner thicket]

It’s your single target dps. If you not doing max level boss or pinnacle. It’s not as important

[thick dove]

aahhh okay thanks!

[bright haven]

Hi ya'll what skill do people use for single target as bow? Is snipe viable? Is yes, what kind of support gems go along with it?

[rapid lily]

Hey everyone, I’m wanting to swap builds to some sort of ice build, are there and good ice builds right now?

[mossy harness]

anyone have high budget build options that arent using cast on crit in any way? Ive had both bm and oracle versions and just looking for something to play rest of the league.

[late laurel]

No Cast On period or specifically not CoC

[verbal lark]

how good is sunder as a (dual wielding) AoE crowd clear/mapping skill as witch hunter?

[woven depot]

not terrible but dual wield maces have bugged attack speed values

[mossy harness]

no cast on period. Played a lot of different versions of coc already

[late laurel]

Artillery Ballista Tactician is fun so far, dunno how viable it'd be but with high budget anything's viable

Taking Embankment Auras and Everything Pins for asc

[mossy harness]

That sounds cool. I've been looking at some sort of spectre, shapeshifter, or bow

[late laurel]

Also, Werewolf Wolf Pack Tactician with Watch How I Do It and Banners

[mossy harness]

Hmm

[late laurel]

I wanted to run it with Hyenas but Hyenas make WHIDI useless

[delicate canyon]

is there a way to convert attack damage to spell damage?

[verbal lark]

how is wildsurge incantation with invocation auto-casted firestorm?

[mossy harness]

For wyvern or wolf build what's the better scaling options?

[west wharf]

no

[late laurel]

No, but Crown of Eyes lets you do the reverse, and there's a node in the Druid section that makes Rage contribute to Spell Damage

[shadow zephyr]

So I'm looking at putting together a cold mage and contemplating putting one together as a Titan, taking advantage of the +50% small nodes to really crank cold damage/freeze while still being stupidly tanky.

any cold sorcs out there got their offensive modifiers totalled on maxroll planner for me to compare figures against?

[verbal lark]

is adonia's ego worth considering as a build around weapon for lategame?

[brittle anvil]

there are builds centered around it already, mostly stormweaver

[verbal lark]

what about infernalist?

[brittle anvil]

doesn't sound promising to me

probably demon form and you have to get recovery somehow

[verbal lark]

aight, looking at potential goodies for my firestorm on ailment (currently infusion, might stay that way) + spark infernalist when I hit endgame (i know it's a scuffed build)

I think adonia's ego nuking my resistances is too much because I kinda do all 3 ailments (cold infused spark + ignite infernalist perk)

[brittle anvil]

there's a tech with weapon swapping so you won't get the minus res

[verbal lark]

oh huh

[brittle anvil]

@verbal lark https://youtu.be/CIKvH_VmPMw?t=222 he talks about it somewhere later in the video

[agile remnant]

Man i spent like an hour or two last night trying to decide on a weapon to finally upgrade to then totally forgot the main reason i was trying to do that was so that i cod have all support option open. My damned weapon is level 79 does only 80 get all slots?

I have a 79 magi talisman

Sucks cause i only have 4 divs to my name and that was one of them

Oh wait its based on my level nevermind

[pastel forge]

Wow you can weapon swap for the res?

Sounds like juicy tech to use over sigil

[brittle anvil]

no you will lose the buff if you swap out of the wand

the tech is generating power charges with weapon 2, then consume them with weapon 1 (adonia)

[pastel forge]

Ah

Hmm

[brittle anvil]

you set this node for weapon 2 only, so you won't get any charges with weapon 1

[pastel forge]

Question is what do you use to generate the charges quickly

[brittle anvil]

frost bomb for infusions, consume them with firestorm

this is where stormweaver shines

[pastel forge]

Yea sound like a pain to do on other classes

[verbal lark]

I was looking at some things about firestorm, that said the previous (ignite consuming version) was a purely mapping skill. Is that still the case with its current iteration?

[agile remnant]

I read somewhere that rage over 30 doesnt have any innate damage bonus. Is that true?

[static torrent]

Shouldn't be, unless Rage states that it works like that somewhere.

[agile remnant]

Thank yea not sure where i heard that. I was thinking about annointing battle trance which is expensive for ne so had to be sure haha. Kinda want to just path down there but thats so many skills

Ah i did math yea too much i vestment to path down there. Well maybe all the extra attributes could allow me to have less of them on my gear. Gahidk

[fickle thistle]

is 3k Mana enough of a hit pool? I dont have any way to get high armour or evasion and ES is converted into mana with eldritch battery.
My recovery is really solid over 100% mana recoup. 600 regen and leech.

If it isnt enough, What other mitigation options can i use for bigger hits that delete me? (Hollow palm, cant go block either)

[rare mica]

What is the build called where all the fireballs are falling from the sky and the curses on the ground! The build the people usually boost temple runs with?

[agile remnant]

Am i missing somthing about “ craving slaughter”?
+8 rage seems kinda hard to utilize from using glory in the past 6 seconds

But im thinking from a bear perspective. Maybe if i got the cooldown of walking calamity to be lower

Oh wait theres no cooldown on that im dumb. I just need to gen rage faster. This might work actually

[west wharf]

it’s not usable outside of special zerphi builds

there are some very complex, very interesting zerphis builds that go up to almost 200 max rage

via craving slaughter + the same mod on temple-modded hate forge gloves

you can get up to 12 rage on use on the hateforge like for 20 total

so +100 max rage if you manage to keep up all 5 stacks

[agile remnant]

good to know danke, shoot hmm

[west wharf]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=94qhI5qZnL4

if you want to peep it for ideas

[agile remnant]

i do not have hammer though but maybe i can get idea
thanks!

[hybrid ocean]

I've been looking at this one every now and then, how on earth is he spending enough life to activate the hammer? Looks to be just earthshatter, but I don't see anything in there to explain that

Oh wait, I might be stupid?

Ok I think I get it

Nvm, I absolutely do not. Should have to spend 1400 life

[west wharf]

pj upi dp pm

LMFAO sorry my ice cream bowl whacked my keyboard

you don't need to spend 1400 life

any increased glory buildup% you have on your hotg weaponset (or whatever skill you want to zerphi) will drop that lifecost down proportionally

aside from that, it's boneshatter with cast on minion death + curse

boneshatter has minion pact on it

normally if your minion pact would kill your minion, it won't sacrifice HP because the minion doesn't have enough

but minion instability causes minions to instadie when they reach low life

so you boneshatter - it procs minion pact - minion pact brings a wolf low - wolf pops from minion instability - cast on minion death goes off and casts 1-2 curses

curses have the remaining life cost needed for zerphis

you can scale it higher either with increased life cost on your boneshatter/cast on minion death set, or with increased glory gain on your zerphis hotg set

and even higher if you run 2 curses, by taking some energy generation on your cast on minion death weaponset

//

normally it is not possible to continually sacrifice your wolves like this - there's supposed to be a minion reformation timer when you're in combat

but wolf pack is bugged to keep respawning some wolves on weaponswap, if wolf pack is only on one weaponset

well actually i don't know if it's wolfpack-specific, since i haven't messed with regular minions much

but wolfpack certainly gives a buttload of minions at low spirit cost

//

you still end up spending quite a bit of life, but, well

low/zero duration time of need heals it all back

along with the heal 1% max life per glory spent notable if you take it

and then you hit and move really fast with boneshatter (which also sacrifices wolves accordingly faster) because of

which scales off the nasty 165 max rage you're getting from the glory spam, multiplied by berserk

and then scaling your boneshatter speed via trenchtimbre

that's the gist of the build

pretty insanely dense network of cool interactions to be honest

flash in the pan type build, i guarantee some small part of the chain will change in 0.5 and the entire setup will break down

[hybrid ocean]

Hahaha, I really spent a good few seconds trying to decipher that as a bunch of acronyms

And that's really cool!

Surely you could just cast on crit the curses though, right?

And then self cast to get the chain going

[viscid fox]

i understand how the seeds work, but im wondering if the pool of potential notables is different between different undying hate jewels (amanamu, tecrod, kulamek, etc.)

[west wharf]

in practice this is really tough

maces have low base crit, and the tree is extremely stretched

so it's probably impossible to actually hit 100% crit in practice

and any hotg noncrit will break the chain

and you'd have to recast curses

the other thing is you want to be able to pre-stack it on the way to a boss

so that you actually have dmg

and standing there self-curse hotg self-curse hotg self-curse hotg before each boss is in practice a lot worse than being able to hotg while moving toward the boss

[west wharf]

no

pool of notables is the same

just in different locations by seed

[viscid fox]

cool, thx

[hybrid ocean]

Just use the 20% base crit unique mace

Uh, hoghunt

[west wharf]

that thing has miserably low dmg

[hybrid ocean]

Well I know it's not the case with his exact build, but our damage can just come from bursting decay

[west wharf]

that would still be miserably low dmg

these zerphi builds don't do a lot of dmg

you need super good gear as is to have acceptable singletarget

cus u spend so much of ur tree stretching for reduced dur

and the necessary glory/lifecost/energy gen stuf

[hybrid ocean]

Ah right, yeah the glory gen too

Time to waste some money

Oh wait I can't even afford that right now lmao

[west wharf]

yeah could be worth a try anywho

speaking of funny coc setups

i found a bizarre but i guess logical coc interaction today

that's i think obscenely good on the right setups

[hybrid ocean]

Oh?

[west wharf]

it actually got my perma oil barrage setup online and working as a proof of concept

so what i realized was

you can actually have COC on your offhand setup

and still have it work in certain builds

[hybrid ocean]

Figures, it's taken them several attempts to patch it out as much as they have

what's the new edge case?

[west wharf]

it's only for builds that have 1) delayed hits and 2) natural weaponswap

which luckily for me my attempted pounce oil barrage setup has both of

if you use a slower proj hit like oil barrage from your main wepset

then swap to your offhand set (with COC) before the hit actually lands

then COC works off your mainhand skill's crits

[hybrid ocean]

Ah ok

so it doesn't snapshot

[west wharf]

yeah

so for any build that uses

an offhand wepset for movement

such as boneshatter, whirling slash, or in my case pounce

every time you finish your attack you naturally start using your attack travel skill anyway

so i shoved COC into my pounce wepset

and do oil barrage>pounce

and i generate the energy for profane ritual mid-air while i'm pouncing

so i have mana remnants+khatal's + COC offhand on my pounce set but both work to generate mana/khatal's cdr/energy from my oil barrage while clearing

[hybrid ocean]

That's really neat

[west wharf]

lil bit niche in scope but pretty interesting option for a number of builds i think

especially from oracle

[hybrid ocean]

Man

It is kind of depressing just how big the gulf is between rares and uniques

feels like it takes so, so much setup to get them competitive

Like yeah those rares are expensive, but half the time the wacky unique centric build is just flat out impossible to make as good

[west wharf]

@hybrid ocean https://streamable.com/53p8gb

half a character rn (i'm using fuckin hoa lmao)

but proof of concept of

the offhand COC for perma pcharge sustain on oil barrage

• pseudo-temporalis level cd pounce

[west wharf]

i actually feel like

there's quite a good spread of powerful uniques this league compared to last

there could always be more but

i am loving crown of eyes

i am loving temple-modded hateforge

temple-modded soultether / hh take the cake in belt slot

vertex is nearly-ubiquitous in helm slot

hateforge / sine aequo / essentia sanguis are all super powerful and common for gloves

we finally got a pair of unique boots competitive with/better than rare boots in a lot of builds (atziri's step)

as well as some unique weapons that are actually usable in builds (atziri's contempt, adonia's, etc)

some unique chests are fantastic too

buffed morior invictus, buffed hyrri's ire, temple-modded covenant are standouts

polcirkeln, ventor's, seed of cataclysm are some pretty standout rings

and there's a host of usable unique weapons in offhand/utility/niche contexts, like trenchtimbre, mjolner, hammer of faith, whispering ice/effigy (exposure/crit weakness), amor mandragora, dreamer, sacred flame, etc

i've actually been quite happy with uniques this league, it's far and away been the best league yet in terms of usable/strong uniques as far as i've seen

i'm worried it'll take a step back next league if temple-modded uniques are gone/rare, but if things keep going in this direction i'm actually quite happy

[hybrid ocean]

It's mostly the weapons

that they absolutely have to have either skill levels or respectable damage on them

If rare weapons were, say, 30% weaker, then you could actually compensate with rings and such

But yeah, I'll agree it does feel better than the previous, particularly with respect to non-weapon uniques

[west wharf]

rare weps def need to be toned down on top-end

to be fair they did make some level of progress toward that this league

with weaker +level essences and weaker crafting (lol)

[hybrid ocean]

Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if they just entirely nuked skill levels off all weapons

Maybe keep it in particular odd cases where you need to enable hybrid scaling, like Mjölnir

But even then, you could just put that in the meta skill

[west wharf]

@hybrid ocean i think that creates problems with suffix balance

like big problems

but i'd like it to be hit in some way too

suffix options for noncrit builds right now are barely hanging in there

there's like literally only 3 usable suffixes

attack speed, onslaught essence, and +levels

and crit outpaces noncrit pretty rapidly as is

[hybrid ocean]

Ah, true

[west wharf]

if you dunk +levels, crit weapons can still go as/crit/critdmg/onslaught

but noncrit builds will have nothing

[hybrid ocean]

well, could always shove one of the prefixes into the suffix category

either moving it or just leaving it in both

[west wharf]

mm i'm not a huge fan of that as it breaks the entire standard of damage in prefixes

that being said i do agree with your take overall

+level scaling is still heinous

and something needs to happen

i'm just not sure what

i think it's probably not as simple as nuking it = better game

[hybrid ocean]

I don't even mind it staying on amulets and support gems

gloves maybe

[west wharf]

i do think maybe they should curtail level scaling on gems at some point

like they do with stuff like iron ward

it has great scaling up to level 25, then it falls off a cliff on a per-level basis after that

[hybrid ocean]

Huh

You know, one could do an even more radical version of this

and just nuke level scaling in general, down to like 5%

Enemy HP scaling just needs the according adjustment

[west wharf]

yeah, it's just a fine line of balance due to aforementioned crit vs noncrit reasons i think

on top of some other reasons i'm sure ggg have discussed but aren't coming to the top of my head rn

cus they are surely aware of the problem

[hybrid ocean]

Could put more quality of life on there for suffixes

[west wharf]

this is iron ward scaling btw

24->25 the dmg goes up by nearly 6k

[hybrid ocean]

things like more AoE/CDR/Duration for weapon skills

[west wharf]

then 25 onward it only goes up by like 2k per level

[west wharf]

i would not be opposed to something like this

as especially if they dunk on herald chaining

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah

[west wharf]

they would hopefully be adding some coverage scaling options to make up for it, for the skills that need it

it would also add some power scaling on weapons that aren't just affixes that make you oneshot bosses harder

which is badly needed

cus atm pretty much everything on weapons just makes you oneshot bosses faster, aside from onslaught

[hybrid ocean]

I feel like that sort of thing might require a more radical restructuring of the game

Like, an order of magnitude fewer enemies and smaller maps type of restructuring

But maybe I misunderstand you

[hybrid ocean]

This would render fixing herald chaining moot, by fixing the underlying cause- currently the game is a massive slog if you can't basically oneshot packs and blitz between them

"ethical builds" is a meme for a reason

[west wharf]

i mean for skills that are currently massively dependent on herald chains for coverage

i hope they add some baseline compensation if they remove herald chaining

i.e. trail of caltrops, rolling magma type stuff

would be even more miserably unusable than they are now, if herald chaining goes poof and they aren't compensated

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah

I know it's probably not gonna happen, but I would just like for coverage to not be mandatory in the first place

Like map sizes could genuinely be cut to a quarter of what they are now and they would still not feel claustrophobic

Cut pack count accordingly, and suddenly plasma burst is a real skill

[clear heron]

Olroth's Resolve's guard effect doesn't work with Alchemist's Boon to share the guard with allies, right?

[hollow bronze]

Anybody have a good rairty bot build? I want one skill I can use to clear normal T16s a ( can't use HH, rings ) so I can have a solo build then my grouping

[mortal swift]

guys, I wanted to theorycraft something after seeing something from a youtube video, I saw that you can stack slower expiry of buffs on chrono to get like 4x buff duration - this video was using it with the shrine hammer
I was wondering if volatility also takes it into account?
can I have max volatility all the time?

[west wharf]

why do you want max volatility on you

doesn’t it not give benefits until it explodes

[mortal swift]

max volatile power I mean

[west wharf]

ohh

[mortal swift]

not volatility

haha

[west wharf]

wait what is volatile power

I thought that gave volatility

[mortal swift]

the buff u get after explosion

idk

whatever its called

gain chaos dmg

[static torrent]

Volatile Power is both a Support Gem and the buff, annoyingly

[west wharf]

probably works if it’s an actual buff on you ya

[west wharf]

I’ve seen a similar build with uh

shackles of the wretched to reflect temp chains onto yourself

on a pf for slow immunity

[mortal swift]

so is volatility btw

like

ggg

[west wharf]

so that you only get the extended buff part

[mortal swift]

wtf

[mortal swift]

I saw one with wanderlust for slow immunity

I wanted to use chrono because even longer buff duration

[west wharf]

I assume it works though yeh

[mortal swift]

Humu

Could stack archon buff too

[clear heron]

Uhh is this a UI bug or something? This is supposed to give the Keystone, right?

[static torrent]

Probably just the wrong tooltip, it should be giving the Keystone, yes.

[shadow zephyr]

Damage

50% increased Spell Damage
97% increased Cold Damage
10% increased Attack Damage
54% increased Elemental Damage
+1 to Level of all Cold Skills
10% chance to Gain Arcane Surge when you deal a Critical Hit
Gain 10% of Damage as Extra Damage of a random Element
Gain 6% of Elemental Damage as Extra Cold Damage
3% increased Spell Damage per 100 maximum Mana

(At 2K mana this works out to 261% increased damage to all my spells)
Ailments

55% increased Freeze Buildup
15% increased Chill Duration on Enemies
20% increased Freeze Duration on Enemies

Other Offensive Stats

**Damage Penetrates 30% Cold Resistance**

Misc

3% increased Movement Speed
15% increased Skill Effect Duration
**115% increased effect of Arcane Surge on you**
12% increased Area of Effect while you have Arcane Surge
Enemies in your Presence have Exposure
+3 to Maximum Rage
**60% increased Spell Damage while you have Arcane Surge**
**Every 2 Rage also grants 1% __more__ Spell damage**
Gain the benefits of Bonded modifiers on Runes and Idols

Making a Shaman Cold mage that runs Blueflame and Call to convert all fire and lightning damage to cold damage, anyone out there able to tell me how these figures stack up against a baseline stormweaver?

there's plenty of defensive perks, too, but I'm just worried about damage capability so we get the small list, instead.

[agile remnant]

I have read this 20 times and i still cant understand it. I have max 78 rage. Does this mean im losing 0.78 max hp a sec while…. See this is where i get confused theres like double negatives. Edit oh god, its 7.8% actually aint it? My regen has ben fighting it this whole time hmm.

I have furious wellspring so am i just always losing health? I rely on health regeneration cause zealots oath so i seem to be countering it with my many life regen sources, but berserk doesnt seem to be affecting my “life recovery per sec from regen” stat

[verbal lark]

From how I’m looking at it and my read through, yeah you’d be losing life constantly

[agile remnant]

I wish i had some sort of fancy life regen spirit gem skill

ive been using concecration but still

if leach or recoup worked with ZO then it would be comfier, i think theres a belt unique that sorta allows that but very expensive if you get it with the downside removed

[hollow bronze]

Somebody got a nice build for rairty bots that can do ilvl82 areas solo? Don't wanna be changing much just wepasons

[verbal lark]

does added physical damage (from say the bursting decay item) get multiplied by the attacks weapon damage multiplier?

[west wharf]

all of ur flat damage from weapon + gear contributes to your total flat damage

goes through relevant conversions and gain%

then your various % increases to reach a final flat damage value of each type

which then get run through your skill's damage effectiveness% and supports etc

[verbal lark]

makes sense. related question, is bursting decay a decent build around like... at all?

and does the 25% ritualist buff to jewlery apply to the 3% HP as added damage?

[west wharf]

it does yes, but iirc stuff like that works in whole number values

(could be wrong on this)

so you'd either need ingenuity with at least 25% inc

or a corrupted 4% hp as added

so that 4->5

3 won't go to 4, cus 3.75% doesn't round up

but

i could be very wrong on this one

that's how it works for gem level scaling on amulets, you need a +4 sanctified amu to round up to +5

but perhaps with %s it uses the actual decimal value

not entirely sure

[west wharf]

uhh

yes but with the caveat that

bursting decay prices got absolutely destroyed

by @hoary bolt

he made a really cool build with them that popped off and the prices went completely whack

[verbal lark]

dammit

uuuuh that's what getting money on character one is for????? i hope it's enough?????

[west wharf]

well

a 3% will run you bout 200divs minimum

a 4% will run you a mirror

so yeah

[verbal lark]

sobbing

[west wharf]

it's generally run on

life-stack zero duration titan builds with palm of dreamer + splinter of loratta

to counteract the huge life% decay

though if you have big $ you can go a standard build with a very good spear or 1h mace

instead of going poison

[verbal lark]

well I don't

have massive amounts of cash that is

[west wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMIanrB6Qx4

here's his base guide if u want to check it out

[verbal lark]

alas I want to do ritualist lifeloss things. scary ass build though

[west wharf]

how're you planning to sustain the degen?

[verbal lark]

life leech and the 10% extra recovery per 5% mission life

[west wharf]

sounds kinda scuffed in between packs

[verbal lark]

tbh I think I'm axeing that specific ring (200 div yikes) but I still wanna do some type of life cost ritualist (likely with spears)

[mossy harness]

do i go oil barrage wyvern or lightning spear

[whole silo]

Hi i want to start the league with druid class which should i go for in these three bear, wolf, wyvern
Which is good and budget freindly

[distant marsh]

does this apply to spells?

[uncut bay]

no

[distant marsh]

someone told me yes but i dont believe it since spell crits have its own stat right?

[uncut bay]

you have to show the source of the text

it can be the support gem or the spear, both are for attacks

[distant marsh]

thats what i thought

[vague obsidian]

why no wolf pack working
https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/bdc3acb6-4c9f-45bc-afc4-48cee4b6ddc2/builds/90154e03-1039-4fbd-9860-672713b315f7?ws-ngf5-f7d82102-7e77-4a44-ad24-33b67e8ae7bf=activeVariantId%2C6a1074e3-e0c4-4952-81b4-657b3e1f4350

[finite sedge]

guys, as a new player, not entirely new but i played in season 1 with a build i made up myself (arc sorc). what's a build you'd recomend? i wanna try something insane that one shots everything

[thick dove]

looking to do a whirling assault build but not interested in rolling a warrior, would yall recommend monk or ritualist?

[dusk arrow]

Does anyone know if that staff mod work on coc comet w blood magic? POB says it does, but I don't know if ingame it really does.

[edgy marten]

Can anyone recommend me a build for about 140 DIV (currently doing tactician galvanic shards and want to try other builds)

[abstract tinsel]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Proajexpert-2039/character/AramisCursed i need help im squishy and cant sustain mana

[inner thicket]

looks like youre missing 5%mana

youre not res cap. your pearl ring is mid, at best, and you mirroring it kalandra's touch.

upgrade your flasks.

CoC is not even fully socket. you can put efficiency on to sustain mana

[hallow cloak]

anyone know how i can equip both the talisman and scepter in weapon set 1 , like it is in this pic ?

[elder osprey]

what was the name of this unique jewel, which gives this green radius with abyss features?

[brittle anvil]

there's a keystone at the outer in druid's area

[inner thicket]

undying hate

[rapid lily]

someone want to help me get more damage in this build I just swapped to ?

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/d4orpoe-6798/character/_Lynxx_

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/ignatius-spark-stormweaver?weaponSet=set1&ws-ngf5-f7d82102-7e77-4a44-ad24-33b67e8ae7bf=activeVariantId%2Cde55d6d6-b8ef-49e2-b6c2-f4a1dd586098

this is the guide im following

[hollow bronze]

Anybody doing raritybot build?

[whole silo]

Anyone please

[rapid lily]

i think theyre all insane and all of them are budget friendly tbh

i think the wolf has the highest budget iirc, but i dont play druid so i cant be certain

[soft raptor]

Is there a general opinion as to which is a better element for casters? Fire, Ice or Lightning? Is it viable to go with 2 or 3 of those or would I be losing damage?

[lilac barn]

How do Oracles with Temporalis/Atziri Splenour manage to use life cost for skills? Is there another way to leech life with spells?

[mortal swift]

Im trying to figure out all the timed buffs one can get, anyone know any more?
shrine hammer
cold and lightning marks
volatility
elemental archon
pinnacle of power

[mortal swift]

usually you do go 2. generally ice and lightning are stronger because of a few spells, but fire has some cool builds too

[abstract tinsel]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Proajexpert-2039/character/AramisCursed im so squishy why and i dont think the missing quest will make much difference

[mortal swift]

way too low ES

if you are mapping with spark then move the curse nodes to set 2

[abstract tinsel]

im not using spark leme get rid of that rq

but like my mana sucks

its either i put points into es or mana efficiency

idk what else to do

[mortal swift]

why do u need mana

Im confused

[abstract tinsel]

My curse uses mana

[mortal swift]

why

[abstract tinsel]

Idk

[mortal swift]

u havent corrupted the skill gem

[abstract tinsel]

Yoooo

Thank you

[mortal swift]

remove all the shitty Mana nodes lol

[abstract tinsel]

I didn't know

[abstract tinsel]

Yeah lol I will

[mortal swift]

whats your crit damage?

[abstract tinsel]

how do i check

[mortal swift]

in game

you can open comet or something

[abstract tinsel]

399%

and my crit chance is 94%

[mortal swift]

Now since you only use life for casting get Mind over matter

[abstract tinsel]

ok

[mortal swift]

I would say drop gore spike and get crimson power

its like ~40% crit damage at most which is like ~11% dmg maybe

your main path of upgrade is a better splendour. Options being not losing the +ele res line, getting more ES, getting as though it was also a helmet to socket in mana runes. Tbh just the +ele res line should be great

[mortal swift]

only if u get a better splendour

[verbal lark]

so I have 2 questions regareding this build. with my belt, would mind over matter be a good pickup (espcailly considering I have a sacrosanctum in the bank for when I hit level 68).

Also, I want to pivot to crit stuff now, how would you rework the tree/equipment to do that?

https://poe2db.tw/pob/pQJ7PfBg95

oh here we are

[abstract tinsel]

okay thank you

[verbal lark]

(also yes I know -52 life degen I get by via chugging flasks and and waiting for sacrosanctum)

[buoyant crane]

which builds are the best right now for each char? in poe 1

[static torrent]

If you're asking a PoE1 question, have you considered doing so in the PoE1 channel? https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/185829045596848129

[soft raptor]

Are builds using remnants/infusion currently? There seem to be very few spells that drop remnants making it look like an unreliable mechanic

[west wharf]

huh

they are ubiquitous rn

a gigantic % of builds are running life remnants via bm or covenant

[soft raptor]

How is that (I'm only on act 2 with small knowledge of the game's mechanics)

I meant lightning/cold/ire

fire

[west wharf]

a huge % of builds that aren't running life remnants are running mana remnants

[west wharf]

huge # of builds run living bomb on cast on ele ailment / cast on crit

[soft raptor]

How do you make living bomb cast on crit?

[verbal lark]

a specfic gem called, well, cast on crit

[west wharf]

you just shove it into cast on crit / cast on ele ailments / spellslinger

to get fire infusions for comet

the entire endgame meta rn is centralized around remnants/infusions/coc comet

[soft raptor]

Support gem?

[west wharf]

spiritgem*

[verbal lark]

nah, a spirit gem that goes in a skill slot

level 14 spirit gem specifically

[soft raptor]

I see

Still on that, how do I get more spirit?
I'm stuck at 30

Only from gear?

[west wharf]

you get 100 by the end of campaign

[verbal lark]

and yeah gear

[west wharf]

rest is from gear, ascendancies, etc

[agile remnant]

I just git a heart of the well diamond but im not sure what im supposed to do with it

[cedar aspen]

Hello, could I get some advice on my build? Got to early maps, damage is good, but feel very squishy. Anything on my passive tree that I should take or respec into?
And in terms of gear, I’m trying to figure out what gear I should focus on upgrading first. Thanks.

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Mr BJSkinner-8808/character/SkinnersFryer

[uncut bay]

just buy items with more armour and life and % of armour is applied to ele damage, I'd say 40k armour and 3k life is a good start

over 100k armour applied to ele damage would be good

[flint bough]

hello i can only get the 3 blue modifiers and one of the red ones what do i get and can i get the 2 red ones and sac one of the blue ones what do you guys say i should do ?

[uncut bay]

oh yeah, infusions are really strong, also easy to use

[distant marsh]

is this not supposed to be allowed? Rapid attacks II is no longer able to be slotted in my ball lighting

[hybrid ocean]

The item will drop with all the blue mods. There's an orb which then lets you get rid of 1 or 2 (random) blue mods and replace them with random red mods

[west wharf]

rapid attacks supports attacks

ball lightning is spell

[distant marsh]

ty

[cedar aspen]

Il aim for it on the armour side and just try to stack up max es too. Thanks.

Also, are there pieces of gear that’s better to use for just straight up ES and armour respectively. For example I’m armour/es but if there’s gear like boots, helmet and gloves which give better value to either armour or Es, is that generally better?

[celest zealot]

Current build, trying out Coc but running into mana issues. Any suggestions (within reasonable budget) of what I could do to up my mana sustain without breaking my build too much? (Also the DPS on the website is a lie, I dunno why it says ice strike is so low) https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/TheMightyAltroll-0368/character/Karalei

[cedar aspen]

Hard question to word sorry, I just didn’t know if having straight up armour helmet or es gloves was better than hybrid

[west wharf]

depends on the x to y nodes first and foremost

if there's good ones for your setup

iron slippers, subterfuge mask, and leatherbound gauntlets being very strong for their archetypes

ruinic helm being quite mediocre

rest of the slots rly personal preference

i prefer having a big hitpool first

then getting a moderate amount of armour to pad the small shotgun hits

cus over-focusing on armour and ending up with a small hitpool isn't great, since armour is notoriously bad vs large hits

a setup with lots of armour but lowish ES is also generally absolutely atrocious into chaos damage

since armour and armour applies to ele do nothing vs chaos, chaos dmg deals 2x dmg to ES, and you have no eva to dodge that obnoxious chaos tentacle breach mob

// also depends on uniques ofc, atm helm meta on es builds is dominated by stuff like vertex and crown of eyes, so rare typing is a bit o fa moot point for the most part

but quite common to just go heavy ES on helmets

[rapid lily]

Hey guys I’m newer to the game and like what builds are good, are there any builds that come close to the blood mage as far as temple and map speed goes? I’m wanting to start a lich or infernalist build but I don’t know if they’ll be good once I get my temple going?
Ive tried a few builds but they haven’t seemed to work very well for me. Lmao

[stoic hollow]

what is the strongest class this League?

how are minions?

[agile remnant]

Ive got an exclamation mark on my ferocious roar because my first bar doesnt meet the str requirements for it even though i use it on my second. Seems to still work though, is this normal?

[west wharf]

if you have talismans in your second set

then it's normal that it still works

it's just casting from your second set

[agile remnant]

Cool yea the game just doesnt like that im doin it

Before i was meeting the requirements on both bars but now its all “hey waitamin”

[uncut bay]

no idea

[uncut bay]

your build makes no sense to me, get mana leech on items, use mana leech in the pounce I think

[uncut bay]

bloodmage is not a build, lich is not a build
comet spark is great on any ascendancy

[uncut bay]

witch is the strongest I guess, minions are also strong

[rapid lily]

Okay let me rephrase.are there any builds for the lich or infernalist ascendancies that aren’t spark that are fast clearing?

That compare to the bloodmage spark CoC build

[uncut bay]

sure, doedres support is great, arc is great, entangle, fireball, and you would use cast on crit or on ailment with comet and what not

but you would need to sell your soul for mana effeciency, mana and mana regen

[rapid lily]

I’ve never seen a build that uses fireball , seems interesting

[whole silo]

I am currently changed build from oracle entagle build to bear when using Furious Slam skill i am getting fissures but the fissures emitting lava from fissures only some times like when using first time on a map or when using ferocious roar how to get consistent lava emitting like that on fissures

[minor tree]

For the incinerate oil grenade build, does anyone know if the ignite damage will go up if I gain/lose spell damage?

Or is it just ignite magnitude that matters

Also has anyone tried with tornado? It seems to inherit the compound effect from the oil but it's hard to isolate

[mossy harness]

best version of lightning spear?

[abstract tinsel]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Proajexpert-2039/character/AramisCursed what should i do for more damage

[whole silo]

Anyone

[inner thicket]

Trying browsing through #1308715058716610580 for an oracle or bear thread and ask in there.

[west wharf]

furious slam doesn't create fissures

it leaves jagged ground if you have rage when you use it

fissures are from fury of the mountain

[glacial mountain]

i want to respec my level 80 character but don't know how much currency i should have before i begin

[echo rapids]

hey, what is the easiest starter build for new player in poe2 ?

[abstract tinsel]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Proajexpert-2039/character/AramisCursed my comet wont cast anyone know why

[mortal swift]

CoEA is not that good unless you are consuming the EA to reapply really fast

[uncut bay]

essence drain lich

[uncut bay]

low spark damage, wrong spark supports

[weak shell]

guys, what is the best build for monk after complete the acts

[sage cosmos]

I'm using a 0 duration titan build and see a lot of builds using Hayoxi's Fulmination in their Time of Need. But i don't understand what it's doing. Dont see a difference when using it. Can someone explain pls?

[west wharf]

hayoxi itself doesn’t do anything

but hayoxi has a limit tag

which means you can support it with overabundance I, which you normally can’t place in time of need because time of need doesn’t have a limit tag

so by extension you get the 50% less duration on overabundance I

and cut time of need timer in half

you can do the same thing with ghost dance

though I have not seen anyone using that yet, I don’t think ppl are aware it’s possible

it’s only temporary, the interaction will be removed next league as it’s a bug

they forgot to add the supports curses only tag to hayoxi internally lol

[sage cosmos]

I mean why is it there? What is it used for?

[mortal swift]

To reduce time of need duration using overabundance

[sage cosmos]

Ah just in there because overabundance couldnt be slotted otherwhise?

[inner thicket]

in short, it reduces the time it take for Time of Need to proc - thus giving you heals more frequently.

[sage cosmos]

Thx for the help

[hybrid ocean]

Are vaal cultivation orbs fully random in what mods they remove, or weighted somehow?

And likewise, is whether it takes one or two mods a coin flip?

[soft raptor]

Are there any good "Arcane Archer" type of builds out there? One that uses Energy Shield and lots of elemental attacks?

[hybrid ocean]

Can volatility charge barrier invocation?

Actually hmm

[rotund tartan]

hey is ice strike + HOI invoker still played? i heard they nerfed herald of ice this league or something

i like the pops

i ran into a gloom shrine and was instantly reminded of herald pops

wanted to play it again lol

[inner thicket]

whirling assault is the more popular Qstaff build the season. base on POENinja and on Invoker main skill, Whirling Assult is 58% to Ice Strike 15%

[west wharf]

they didn't nerf it

[fickle thistle]

If im using Blink instead of normal. Will I never be dodge rolling for this rune?

[west wharf]

should work

but i would check in practice since blink is kinda weird

for example you can't blink with unwavering stance

[fickle thistle]

oh damn. didnt know that

[rotund tartan]

i like it. its almost like a cyclone build

[mortal swift]

is there anything else other than pinnacle of power that consumes power charges in a useful manner?

[rotund tartan]

i'm theorycrafting an oracle druid, the plan is entangle + coc thrashing vines + thunderstorm, scale with impale + living lightning and MAYBE sine aquo with those nodes that make spell phys pin. i kinda want to do armour + % armor applies to ele, but have no solution for sustain other than flask, because I can't find spell leech outside of blood mage. any ideas? or is this not viable

i've already got a blood mage that does self-cast entangle + thunderstorm with atalui's so ideally i'd want to try a different approach now

maybe just straight life regen? is that even viable?

[cedar aspen]

If you’re Oracle there are nodes that give you arcane surge when you crit. Then as you head up towards the top left of the tree there’s nodes that give you life instead of mana from arcane surge. That’s one method anyways of many. Otherwise for armour stacking you’re most likely going to want to get the nodes towards warrior side of the tree.

[radiant lake]

Any advice on a build for Ranger ?? I did deadeye I was trying to do cold CoC pathfinder Ranger but taking too long to do damage

[cedar aspen]

Wondering if this is working on my build. Its Enhancing Casts and Emboldening Attacks, ws2 is spells and ws1 is mace skills, will this work or do those notables need to be normally allocated and not split between ws1+2?

[distant mural]

Could someone tell me what i can do to get my chaos damage up? My survival is okay if I dont get surrounded. But my damage feels low for tier 14.

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Kazeshini96-2158/character/BloodMageZzZzZ

[hybrid ocean]

Hey, how long is the minion reformation timer by default?

[west wharf]

like 8s or someshit

it's long

[fresh sequoia]

The biggest thing you can do for damage is gem levels. Use higher base skill gems and try to get + gem levels on your focus, amulet, and more on your weapon. put that final point into dark entries at the top of the skill tree.

You can also drop the two stat nodes at the start of your tree and just swap some of the int travel nodes elsewhere.

It also looks like you did not get the 30 spirit from Act 3 Azak bog quest

[fickle thistle]

Anyway to get a %damage increase from mana/int stacking as a melee attack build?

Mind of the council and Hands of Wisdom and Action only gives flat lightning. and Archmage support doesnt apply to attacks

[west wharf]

what's wrong with flat lightning

[fickle thistle]

nothing. Im just wondering if theres a way to get a %inc dmg modifier from stacking mana/int for attack builds to be able to scale that flat lightning in to somehting stronger

[west wharf]

sorta yea

[brittle anvil]

what weapon you use?

[west wharf]

you can go crown of eyes with arcane intensity

though i don't know if that'd be better than just going mind of the council on most setups

[fickle thistle]

Hollow Palm lol

[fickle thistle]

hmm, lemme take a look. Would mean i dont have to go much into mana cost efficiency then ig

[west wharf]

crown on rage-stack oracle with mystical rage+berserk is a pretty common dmg scaling setup rn

don't know if it'd fit hollow palm tho

[brittle anvil]

maybe jewels?

[fickle thistle]

yeaa Jewels are probably my best bet tbh

[brittle anvil]

30% in per jewel, and I assume you go around the outer tree as a stat stacker

[west wharf]

hrm?

in?

[brittle anvil]

increased

[west wharf]

oh you mean spell dmg

[brittle anvil]

I mean attack/melee/lightning damage

[fickle thistle]

ill probz go Sapphire. Get that Elemental and Cold modifiers on it. So i can have mana suffixes

[brittle anvil]

take some of mine

[fickle thistle]

DAYUM

now whered u get all that

[brittle anvil]

that's strength stacking and crown of eyes

[fickle thistle]

ah that makes sense

good ol strength stacking

[woeful steppe]

got my friend to try out poe2, hes in act 2 playing minions, ive never made a support character before, i wanna make one to i guess buff him and his minions, any advice on where/what uniques to start with would be appreciated.
as cheap as possible would be good but if theres some cool things i can do with a few hundred divs max then i would be open to doing that too. Since ive never made a support before so idk what class to go with, what uniques to use, what other tech there is, i know this is a loaded question but any help is really appreciated
(btw i have a lvl 93 withchunter, so if there is shaningans i can do with tactician then i can respec that character and join my friend with that just to buff him, i have a lvl90 lich too)

[west wharf]

i don't have any experience with supps but tactician is a super common supporting class cus of banners + watch how i do it

so you could potentially look up support tacts on poeninja for a build base

[woeful steppe]

yeah im trynna find video guides for those on youtube right now, just dont know where to look

[west wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GCzdWP0LVo

could work off this as a base

[woeful steppe]

only problem with following someone off poeninja is that sometimes u need some of those mechanics and choices to be explained to understand how this even works

[woeful steppe]

thankyouu

[west wharf]

@true fjord has a banner support tactician so he may be able to help you out

[true fjord]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal/character/kimjinsu-4434/IStillHateSpears?i=1&search=name%3Dhatespe

the one i just vibe made in an hour sometime ago. if you have olroths its impossible for you to die on top of your banner buffs and getting a full flask use ever 4 seconds

[hollow bronze]

anybody help me with element weakness not procing so fast

[austere reef]

If I’m reading your message right, you need to build into curse activation delay

[mortal swift]

why is this shit not showing up

[rapid lily]

Im leveling up a bloodmage and at act 3.
Im wanting to go either CoC comets, or CoC chaos fireballs.
Are they both good for temple? Or is comet better?

[weary falcon]

unfortunately comet is so much better than any other spell to put in CoC it isn't even comparable. But don't let that stop you from making interesting builds, chaos fireballs can still absolutely clear juiced up temples if you build it right.

[rapid lily]

gotcha, appreciate it!

[mortal swift]

imo coc fireballs is just as good

if everything oneshots then whats more important is what covers more corners

[weary falcon]

is that why +3 comet prism of belief is 15 mirrors while +3 fireball is a few hundred divines?

is that why 28% of all builds on poe2ninja uses comet while <1% uses fireball?

I truly wish they were as good as each other, but unfortunately that statement is beyond wrong

[weary falcon]

“if everything one shots” sure a 20 mirror fireball build might clear as fast as a 20 mirror comet build, but a realistic budget will go a lot further with meta builds than “fun” builds

[mortal swift]

no the reason for that is that people are sheeps

[weary falcon]

my god can’t believe i typed all that for a troll

[mortal swift]

seriously tho, people really are sheep

[rapid lily]

disregard the phone picture, my screenshot wasnt working on the pc. How do I proceed from here? Never had multiple spymasters before

[bitter wasp]

The problem is, nobody can tell You how to proceed if You don’t follow a certain layout which was thoroughly calculated by some1, if You decide to put rooms however temple allows You,
You never gonna build it because Yoh will loop sooner or later

[rapid lily]

is there a way i can find a layout to go with?

[bitter wasp]

I sent You a dm with simple layout

[agile remnant]

Does anyone have any tips on maximizing charm uptime? I'm sad my rite of passage owl doesn't spawn but I still want to make use of its effects. I'm sure if you play really target dense stuff its not something ud normally spec into but i guess im a bit slower (If i had the owl working for example id like to honestly sit there and watch it for sec for example ha).

I wish i had more control over when the charm is used, or could see how many charges im at while playing.

you know what im not even sure if the charm is giving me increased damage like it says it should. says i get 80 increased and 20% cold as extra but my damage didnt go up that much. oop nevermind i see what happened on this.

[agile remnant]

oh maybe this! though its really hard to use uniques. Most armor is such much better.

oh god yea my current armor has my chaos res AND a chaos rune thing in it too

that would be a 54% chaos swing , plus i dont use evasion at all. Yea its probably best to just invest on getting charges faster instead.

[fallow nymph]

Anyone has a link to a good CoC oracle mainly for temple?

[agile remnant]

bounty 2 says you get 100% more charm charges but only works on hits. Its a shame it doesnt stack with devour's quality effect of gaining charged from corpses. Least i imagine it doesnt since hitting isnt the same as corpse consumption.

[north heart]

Yall think giants blood is op still?

[small tiger]

what monk build should i try? got like 130 divs to spend

[bitter wasp]

Isn’t Your charm overlapping ?

[analog drum]

i think ima run demon witch :3

tho before i ever get that i gotta do the good ol unearth contagion'

[analog drum]

actually fk it ima do sorcerer

[uncut bay]

monk is not narrowing down the builds at all because almost every build can be a monk build

[neon scaffold]

What’s a good titan twink build to get through the campaign asap?

[rapid lily]

How do yall think my build can improve?

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/d4orpoe-6798/character/Ishhttar

This is day 2 bloodmage

[uncut bay]

lightning arrow, shield wall

[mortal swift]

chest for sure

[rapid lily]

I have an atziris, but my buddy said it doesn’t have the right modifiers.

[mortal swift]

it mainly just needs ES

[agile remnant]

Wacha mean?

[bitter wasp]

Sorry I think I got confused

[exotic compass]

Take off the grand spectrums for actual sapphires imo, each sapphire should be a 5-10% damage bump assuming you are getting close to ~50 stats worth of damage/crit from said sapphires

Your viper wisdom sapphire is good but your other one is stinky

[rapid lily]

Gotcha
I just figured I’d need as much life as possible since the build costs life on spells as well as mana

[analog drum]

Is fireball into ice wall still solid?

[cunning creek]

anyone has a titan with full reduced duration setup ? Hmu I want to try something. Ill give u items required

[near jewel]

guys, is thorns build viable for maps and tier 1 - 2 bosses? physical or elemental? kitava or druid?

[mossy epoch]

hey guys, im trying to do a huntress as an alt character to do a rarity bot, wt is the best build for fast campaing?

[open tusk]

guys im usin a build planner thing, what are these Druid nodes they dont show for me on the passives tree, do they show up after getting a specialization?

[woeful steppe]

whats a good way to setup tabula rasa for leveling?

[fresh sequoia]

The Oracle ascendancy node “The Unseen Path” unlocks additional passives on the tree. The stuff on the right also looks like it is allocated with weapon set passives

[open tusk]

ok

[fringe kelp]

does anyone here know how "reduced critical damage bonus taken" both on monsters & player interacts with the opposing force of "increased critical damage bonus" on the attacker?

Like, for example, if i'm a crit build with +150% crit dam bonus, but i'm up against a waystone modifier that has monsters taking "reduced critical damage bonus", is that multiplicative against my bonus? or additive?

Meaning if i'm dealing +150%, but they have "+60% reduced crit dam bonus taken" (cause of waystone explicit boosts from atlas), are they gonna take +90%? Or are they gonna only take 40% OF my +150%, meaning they only take +60%?

[undone gust]

Can someone please take a look at the buikd an explain to me how supporting Fire works?

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/pohx-shatter-tactician

[mint marsh]

Can witchhunter 100 weapon set points be good or just a meme node?

[soft raptor]

Is this node good for a bow user? I'm always moving when shooting, but dunno about the 20% reduced accuracy

[fresh sequoia]

It is good. Best when you have enough accuracy that even reduced by 20% you still hit everything.

[fresh sequoia]

It can be good but is very niche. Jungroan had an oil grenade build taking advantage of it.

[barren nacelle]

is there no like , flat mana regen in this game ? or am I dumb? I.e +# Mana per second

[severe jacinth]

Is there something that can make you take damage as lightning damage?

Or like concerts damage taken as lightning

[fresh sequoia]

Is this about valako's roar?

[severe jacinth]

Yes for frenzy charges

[fresh sequoia]

Is this what you want: https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/misoxshiru-glacial-lance-ritualist

[severe jacinth]

im using amazon ascendancy so i hope it works as well

[fresh sequoia]

You will probably run out of charm charges on any other ascendancy.

[west wharf]

if you have +150% critical damage bonus, you will effectively have +60% critical damage bonus

the stat on waystones does not specify anything with regards to crit damage bonus

"reduced extra damage from critical hits" is a direct scalar on the damage taken

whatever bonus damage you get from your crit will be *.4

both on monsters & player interacts with the opposing force of "increased critical damage bonus" on the attacker?

the player stat is different

the player stat on items like morior invictus / passive tree nodes like battle-hardened read "hits against you have x% reduced critical damage bonus"

it is not a direct scalar on damage taken but rather a reduction to the critical damage bonus% stat, additive with other additions and reductions

however the only source of additive monster increased critical damage bonus% in the game (that i'm aware of) is chaos trial's deadly mod, +300% inc crit chance and +60% inc critical damage bonus

so, in any other case outside of chaos trial, reaching "hits against you have 100% reduced critical damage bonus" should reduce extra dmg taken from crits to 0

as there are no additives competing against the reduction

the waystone modifier for monster crit does not add % increased critical damage bonus, but rather "+% to monster critical damage bonus"

which is not an additive scalar but rather a flat value added onto the base critical damage bonus

(think the +% to critical damage bonus mod on weapons, vs the %increased critical damage bonus mod on passive tree)

so 100% reduced critical damage bonus would still reduce the crit damage to 0 regardless of that map mod

//

there may be gaps in my understanding so take it with a grain of salt

bloon can probably explain it more accurately if you msg him

[fringe kelp]

Aren't some of them phrased as "taking less damage?" tho? Or are they all phrased like "hits against you have less bonus"?

[fringe kelp]

Which is worse, in terms of how much damage they actually deal lol

[fringe kelp]

But this is good. Because it means (and this was my main question) if you take stats items or nodes to protect yourself from crits, it will work equally well regardless of the waystone mod, right?

[west wharf]

you’d have to point out the specific uniques etc

I was talking about morior; there may be other uniques with different stats that aren’t coming to mind

[west wharf]

they’re ultimately the same in dmg dealt, assuming you have no crit defenses

if you compare +50% increases critical damage bonus vs +50% to critical damage bonus for example

in the former case, you have +50% inc scaling a base of +100%, = 150%

in the latter case, you have +0% inc scaling a base of 150% = 150%

because stats/items are additive

the map mod is not an additive %, but rather a direct modifier on the base crit multi

meaning -100% reduced is competing against source of no increased

[cedar aspen]

Has anyone made a semi decent or working Scarred Faith build?

[fringe kelp]

My point is that crit defenses are better because it's not additive with the monster crit, if it was, then it would suck. Like if the monster has +100% bonus and your armor is only taking away 30, it's very different if it's actually taking the monster from +200 to +170 vs +200 down to +140,

So what I'm hearing you say is the players defenses against monster crit damage are basically always just compared to 100% of the monster damage, not competing against numbers the monster might have added

[severe jacinth]

I’m realizing I should’ve used hunter deadeye instead of huntress amazon for this glacial lance tornado build lol

The Amazon ascendancy is ass

[barren nacelle]

Does ghostwrithe give more mana as per eldritch battery ?

[fresh sequoia]

Unless it was patched I believe ghostwrithe still gives ES if you have eldritch battery.

[barren nacelle]

Just tested it and you are right it just gives you es

weird ...

[west wharf]

it is additive against increased monster crit%

there just currently aren’t any sources of that outside of chaos trials

so yes functionally getting 100% reduced dmg from crits nullifies all the extra dmg from monster crits

I know what your point is, I’m just explaining the wording and mechanics of it as specifically as I can

you need to be rly careful with how you word and interpret wording to understand how these systems work

cus when you say “+100% bonus” that’s an entirely different stat than “100% increases bonus”

there’s no difference or anything special in how these things work player v monster, or monster v player

they all just follow the wording, so as long as you understand the wording you’re good to go

[short lotus]

whos got a white monarch for trade

[hybrid ocean]

Though in this specific instance, +100% is the exact same as 100% more

[hollow bronze]

Anybody doing BM comet builds. Looking for the BIS body armour. Not sure if the soul cores as helmet, gloves or boots matter

This line

[fringe kelp]

So just to be clear:
1.) +28% to monster crit dam bonus (from the waystone) is a flat additive, kind of like +crit chance on a weapon is local. So if the monster had a natural +30 crit dam bonus [which pretty much all of them do, looking at poe2DB], that would now be +58 crit dam bonus (by +58 I mean in the character sheet it would show +58% as the added bonus damage when dealing crit. I'm avoiding %s here for clarity).

2.) % increased critical hit chance is an additive SCALAR, in this pic, the "extra crits" mod on a rare is going into the same pool as the above waystone picture, right?

so if a monster had a baseline 5% crit chance, the waystone above would increase that by 283% for 3.83 * 5 = 19.15% chance? And then if the monster ALSO had this suffix, it would now be increased 583% for 6.83*5 = 34.15% chance to crit?

3.) but then this one is INCREASED crit dam bonus, which would end up being 1.65 multiplied TIMES the baseline crit bonus, which, with the waystone above, is now +58, yes? So this would be 1.65 * +58 = +96 crit dam bonus?

finally we've got this one (which you often have yourself, due to headhunter)

4.) this says hits against you have reduced crit dam bonus

so in this case, lets say the monster has the bonus modifiers but YOU have the headhunter stolen 80% reduced hits against you modifier.

So in that case, the 80% IS fighting against the 65%, meaning it nets a final -15% critical damage bonus against you?

so in our previous monster example where it has +58 final baseline crit bonus damage, that would then be multiplied by 0.85 for a final bonus against you of +49

5.) that would work exactly the same as this passive node as well, yes?

[west wharf]

correct

[fringe kelp]

so overall, this means rare monsters with that deadly mod are INCREDIBLY dangerous, since they kinda nullify most of your "reduced crit dam bonus against you" stuff (i mean obviously depends on the numbers, but when you're normally going up against a baseline of 100, and then all of a sudden it changes to 165, that usually a massive swing)

and thus overall this is just confirming my hunches of "dont go up against monsters with crit, ever, and dont use that waystone mod" lol

[west wharf]

correct

[fringe kelp]

cause when you're increasing the waystone explicits by 100%ish anyway through atlas tree, that's making monsters deal like +90% instead of +30%, and have like a 30% chance to crit you, and THEN imagine you go up against a rare with the extra crit damage mod??? jeebus

[west wharf]

correct

[west wharf]

correct

[fringe kelp]

though it does say "unique", which means maybe it can't spawn on regular rares? idk

[west wharf]

correct

[west wharf]

yes

[west wharf]

the deadly mod, to my understanding, is only present as a chaos trial modifier

not a natural monster mod

hence why i said earlier that the only time monsters have increased crit dmg% source is in chaos trials (that i'm aware of)

[fringe kelp]

ah, so "unique" doesn't mean unique monster, it means its a unique modifier in a general sense, like it only comes from a unique place/situation?

its all making sense now, thanks for all the help

Basically I was just trying to get a handle on: A) are those "hits against you have reduced crit" nodes/stats "worth it" and B) how dangerous really is the monster crits waystone mod

so like, the answer is "probably not, because you probably should avoid the monster crits waystone mod like the plague anyway unless you can tank monsters hitting you for basically 2x damage half the time"

[west wharf]

tldr; outside of chaos trials, if you have hits against you have 100% reduced critical damage bonus, you are immune to the extra dmg from monster crits

regardless of the map mod

[fringe kelp]

also true, but that's not so easy to reach

[west wharf]

outside of wearing morior invictus with the mod yea

[fringe kelp]

i mean gemling is great tho 😄

[west wharf]

brass dome also just has "take no extra dmg from critical strikes" outright

[fringe kelp]

i'm playing a gemling right now so I can run all the crit waystone mods i want

its glorious

[west wharf]

i don't think it's that significant to be avoided

[fringe kelp]

with the increased waystone explicits? i think it is.... especially in an armor based build

in an ES build maybe slightly less so

[west wharf]

if you scale up the other monster dmg mods with 100% waystone explicits, they are similarly if not more dangerous

[fringe kelp]

see I usually avoid +monster damage, and go for like +cold or +lightning, so it's dealing a different type that I have resistance to

just the straight up +%monster damage mod is awful and I'm always searching trade site for "NOT" that one 😄

[west wharf]

i don't pay a lot of attention to mapmods atm just because in the current state of the game, sc blaster builds by and large just kill everything without getting hit much, but iirc the most dangerous mods in a vacuum are

-max res% and monsters have additional projectiles

cus of the immense potential you get shotgunned by something

individually i don't think any of the mods are too bad; when you have some unfavorable ones stacked together it gets rippy though

[west wharf]

ya, monster dmg should be worse than the gain mods

especially if there's multiple mods stacked up

and especially on an armour build, as you said

[fringe kelp]

armour builds are so sad right now

every time I think i want to try armor (and I do), i end up adding ES because it just feels silly not to

I could go down a few thousand armour, and get like +800 ES, and now my max hit is just magically SO much higher, and armour is still reducing the small hits to help with sustain

pure armour just seems almost impossible to make work

not to mention the whole chaos damage issue

ES takes double damage from chaos, sure, but at least it does SOMETHING against chaos

armour you have to spend a LOT of valuable mods on items to get even some "armour applies to chaos" and it's not even that much

[west wharf]

i don't think armour is sad per se - it has a lot of upsides, but undoubtedly some build running around with 2k life and 50k armour is very susceptible to oneshots

i agree suffix pressure is obnoxious on armour specs

i wish the armour to ele% on the tree was in more plentiful values

it feels entirely gear reliant to scale it to good numbers

[fringe kelp]

i guess the main issue with armor right now is how hard it is to get large max life numbers

compared to large ES numbers

[west wharf]

yea

[fringe kelp]

if max life was a little easier to come by, for armor users, then I think pure armor would be more viable

maybe some sort of "+life per armor" stat

to help out for the "i'm going BIG on armor" situations

[west wharf]

you can run stuff like couture of crimson or life + life% soul core morior and get a decent amount, but then it becomes tough to get a high amount of armour

without insane armour gloved + leatherbound gauntlets

[fringe kelp]

yeah, right now pure armor feels like a rich mans build only

[west wharf]

the strongest armour archetype i've found is simply

[fringe kelp]

you need lots of expensive max rolled gear to get all the life you need AND all the armor you need AND all the +arm applies ele you need, etc

[west wharf]

being rich enough for atziri's splendour on an ES setup and running iron slippers with mega expensive 400+ ES boots

[fringe kelp]

whereas with ES? ur like, eh, whatever, just need max ES and then +%ES from tree. Done.

[west wharf]

and just casually getting like 10k armour with no investment

to pad against small hits on a build that already has high ES

[fringe kelp]

what are iron slippers?

but yeah armor+ES seems to be pretty strong. My shaman (first build of this league) was tanky as hell

[fringe kelp]

and I'm fine with blends working well, but pure armor should be better too

[west wharf]

one of the most nonsensical nodes in the game

[fringe kelp]

oh yeah that one is great

[west wharf]

the fact that you can get higher armour boots

by having pure ES boots

than pure t1 armour boots

is disgusting and wrong

[fringe kelp]

yeah.... 😛

[west wharf]

it is laughably easy to get

10-15k armour with next to zero investment on oracle setups

[fringe kelp]

also ppl keep saying nerf ES, but I actually think ES is fine, we just need to buff armor/eva

[west wharf]

cus CI oracle gets to mega rage stack

[fringe kelp]

and by that, I dont necessarily mean buff armor as a stat, but just, buff the overall strength/ease of building a pure armor and pure evasion character

[west wharf]

and then run berserk + vengeful fury

[fringe kelp]

which could be through a variety of methods

[fringe kelp]

idk what those words are 😄

is one of those the "lose life when not losing rage but + rage effect" ones?

i used that plus insane life regen to have absurd rage effect on my druid

[fringe kelp]

ah, yeah, dope

[west wharf]

this gets amplified by berserk's ~75% inc rage effect

[fringe kelp]

is it 75%? 🤔

[west wharf]

so if you're running an oracle with, say, 85 rage

[fringe kelp]

i thought it ended closer to around 50

also wtf 85 rage? I only had like 48 on my druid

[west wharf]

corrupted + dialla's/uhtred's

[fringe kelp]

not oracle tho

[fringe kelp]

i'm poor man 😄

[west wharf]

oracle gets to 85+ rage yeah

[fringe kelp]

diallas maybe, but not uhtreds

[west wharf]

some titan builds push to nearly 200 rage

via hotg zerphi's hateforge

you basically get an entire build's worth of %increased armour from vengeful fury

[fringe kelp]

uhh

wat

[west wharf]

85 rage oracle with berserk = 150% inc armour from it

@fringe kelp there's an archetype of builds that uses

[fringe kelp]

is that using the node that says no effect from rage, but you have 100% more?

i've yet to understand the point of that node

[west wharf]

no

that node stinks

it's got some use in very niche builds

i suppose

there are some rage effects that do not get nullified by it

[fringe kelp]

yeah i have thought so unless you have some build that spends insane amounts of rage as a cost and thats all you want it for

[west wharf]

i.e. bhatair's vengeance, tacati's ire

[fringe kelp]

like what? thats the thing, I couldnt find any

oh, yeah, fair

but in most cases, you'd want the rage effect too

[west wharf]

they scale off amount of rage, so rage having no effect doesn't do anything to them

yep

[fringe kelp]

i'm running bhatairs vengeance

and I would rather have the +48% more dmg and +48% gain as cold, rather than +96% gain as cold lol

so yeah it's gotta be SUPER niche to use that

[west wharf]

+8 from the node, +12 from hateforge

so +20 max rage each time you've spent glory in the last 6s, up to 5 times

for +100 max rage

there's some builds that put zerphi's on their main skill to use it constantly (typically hammer of the gods)

[fringe kelp]

ahhhh didnt know cultivated hateforge could do that too

i have seen that node but didn't manage to get it working

[west wharf]

and then acquire high life costs via various means

[fringe kelp]

makes sense

yeah yeah

sounds fun

[west wharf]

for example cast on minion death + curses + lifetap/bloodmagic

[fringe kelp]

yeah i literally saw that build showcased in a video last week

this game is awesome man

we're only in 0.4 and there's already SO many builds its insane

and its only gonna get better

[west wharf]

ya

it's pretty late into the league but i'm still having fun with various builds

trying out witchhunter for the first time rn

sorc ward is amazing

[fringe kelp]

yep. am running gemling explosive spear thrower. it's C tier at best but still quite fun. I mean it smashes t15s into oblivion but it's a bit squishy and is struggling to clear the max temple

finally decided to max out a temple on this char, which has been an insane amount of work

either way, fine build nonetheless, gemling is very much "fine"

lots of various bonuses none of which really do anything THAT special

quality to skills is nice but rarely "pivotal" to have a bit more, ya know?

the main thing it does is massively boost the AOE on explosive spear and on herald of ice, since quality adds to the BASELINE radius of those

aight, i gotta head onto other things, thanks for the chat as always!

[west wharf]

its biggest perk seems to be the +lv scaling

but +lvs aren't quite as meaningful for attack skills as for spells

so i can never quite justify it to myself to actually roll gemling

but i really want to find a gemling setup to play

i haven't touched it since 0.1

[hybrid ocean]

It'll be useful in standard league come 0.5, with legacy hateforge

You get a hateforge with max once every 0 seconds, and remove the lose all rage on reaching maximum rage line

Then either use rageforged or be a shaman

And now you're getting one random charge per skill use

But idk if there'll be anything that makes good enough use of that for it to be worth it. I guess you'll at least have permanent uptime on all three parts of charge regulation?

[pastel forge]

what's a good way to get freeze in a plant build? like i know thunderstorm makes it easier but it seems like i'll need to use something like ice nova?

[brittle anvil]

gain as cold i guess

[pastel forge]

too bad i cant use bhatair

[brittle anvil]

I mean on your wand of staff