2┃build-planning

[static torrent]

Yes, unless you find some way to increase it instead.

[neon scaffold]

is self-chill stormweaver (ice nova/comet) the fastest build without temporalis?

[hollow cave]

oracle druid with choir and spark, if i want to add coc comet to this, what might be the best setup? i couldnt find a pob or guide on mob analytics for a build like this, if anyone knows of one, could you please share? thank you! right now, im using a vertex tribal helmet with +3 skills, paulascale gloves and rare chest and boots.

[static torrent]

Phrecia is a PoE1 event, this is the PoE2 channel.

[mild basin]

Oh sry

[real zealot]

Avoid "penetration" and "reduces monster resistance". Those reductions happen before rakiata is applied and will lessen your dmg. "Exposure" will increase your dmg, as it doesnt reduce the resist before rakiatas is applied

Exposure brings it further into the negatives

Or just acts as a general multiplier after the other math is done

[static torrent]

Exposure reduces the monster's Resistance, it should not be applying after Rakiata's

And Penetration specifically applies to your Hits, not the Monster's Resistance, so it should be applying after.

[real zealot]

Im searching this right now. Im finding contradicting info all over. This was a week long discussion in church of stormweaver when rakiatas came out and the concensus was exposure good, and pen cant bring resist below 0

If someone has already made a video testing it, im noy finding it yet, but ill keep looking

[static torrent]

Exposure specifically modifies the enemy's resistance values, as is visible from the resistance icons changing. The inversion should be occurring after that calculation. Penetration occurs after, as the damage is dealt, so it should not be able to lower your damage, it just won't do much.

At least, that's how it works in PoE1 (except in PoE1, Penetration can bring a Resistance value below 0%, which it doesn't do by default here).

[real zealot]

Im seeing new posts on fb all agreeing that exposure happens before rakiatas, and will hurt the dmg. Guess the community changed their minds

This is why i just test everything myself lol

That, and engineers these days

I still believe nothing, and will test it for myself when i use it again

[lucid cloak]

guys I have a question. when I am swapping off of HH to darkness enthroned for single target, it says that I caanot use the item and stats will be ignored. I don't understand why because my skills and gear are unaffected by the stat loss. any idea?

[low surge]

is anyone here good with PoB and can help me out with it?

[cedar aspen]

Yeah… I want to try and avoid using it if I can. I know it’s good for clear though

[late laurel]

And ST allegedly

[cedar aspen]

I tried looking into any builds using lightning conduit, couldn’t find much this league in YT

[late laurel]

Lightning Conduit is an easy CoC setup but you need something that shocks a big area for it, which, basically only leaves Spark

[cedar aspen]

I was thinking of using it with the new Thunderstorm skill since shocking conduction applies shock so easily

[late laurel]

Thunderstorm doesn't really have coverage

It's a Shock enabler sure but its own lightning/damage is pretty bad and pitiful in coverage

[agile remnant]

Does rapid attacks actually affect channeling skills like flame breath? it changes the tooltip and changed the DPS, but it could just be a visual bug for all i know. Im not sure how id test it

[late laurel]

It does yes, each tick of damage comes faster

It's why you get passives like this

[agile remnant]

ah neat! i was hopeful

[valid aspen]

Is there something I'm missing about Ixchel's Torment? I see it in CoC Comet on a lot of builds and it's expensive, but on paper it seems like an average 10% more cost, 10% more area, and 10% more damage, which is pretty underwhelming.

Another question: does the damage from Static Shocks apply to the triggering target? Or only nearby enemies but not the target itself?

[valid aspen]

Do you not run into the cooldown blocking casts? When I tried it (on a very crit heavy build TBH), whenever there was a rare or unique enemy CoC was always maxed out and doing nothing (so I switched to Comet).

[hollow cave]

Is temporalis autobomber better on oracle or blood mage?
I have seen yt videos of oracle covenant builds, would using a blood mage be better instead for both choir autobomber and coc comets?

[agile remnant]

Im not understanding Berserk. I have it activated but my damage isn't higher Thought it might be fun on shaman

ah yea im having that weird issue where my scepter wont turn off again

[agile remnant]

any ideas?

ah i fixed it, just jank

[round osprey]

if i convert 100% fire to cold, can I still use % fire damage to increase my "converted" dps?

[static torrent]

Short answer, no. Long answer (which is available in game on the 'Conversion' keyword):

[uncut bay]

damage calculation happens after conversion

[round osprey]

Thanks 🙂

I should've used the ingame info panels, I'm not used to them yet 🙂

[uncut bay]

think about it, you have to sacrifice your chest as oracle to leech life and the atziri chests with 1300 ES are just completely broken, bloodmage is the best spellcasting ascendancy period

[uncut bay]

sure

[low surge]

I'm trying to see my dps of my cast on crit skills, I can see the damage per hot and and all that but can't find dps

It's there for other skills, just not coc

[uncut bay]

operator otter conducted a whole scientific study about it xD
basically, first the monster resistances are lowered then the rakiatas flow tries to invert them, so never use exposure and ele weakness with rakiatas

also, first rakiatas flow inverts them and then they are ignored when frozen with that notable on the tree, so you can have rakiatas on spark and it will work, spark freezes the monster, spark still deals the same damage as before, but now your comets ignore the enemy resistances

[uncut bay]

pob doesnt know how often you cast, how much damage you will deal on that map, what their ailment threshold is, impossible to know how much energy you will generate

[low surge]

Ahh ok, thank you

[late laurel]

What's the "optimal" amount of Life+Mana and Regen to have for an EB+MoM build?

[limpid talon]

Does critical hit chance also work for spells or just critical hit chance for spells?

[static torrent]

Critical Hit Chance works for all Hits, for Spells just specifically applies to Spells rather than Attacks and Spells.

Same for most other stats, aside from Minions, where only stuff specifying Minions applies.

[limpid talon]

Okay so I should be getting both

[wanton nexus]

Any build that would use a staff like this ?

[hollow cave]

even with temporalis autobomber?

[tranquil wagon]

guys anyone here with a good experience / bloodmage witch build? which build guide you tried for leveling acts and was easy to go with a good damage ? if you can help its my first time ill try this build so

[hollow cave]

if you are selling it, i can buy it off you

[uncut bay]

if you have temporalis how are you gonna recover mana or life? bloodmage solves it, bloodmage all the way, maybe physical, firestorm and chaos DoT builds are better with other ascendancies

but for the regular elemental builds you go bloodmage

[soft bobcat]

hi everyone I haven't played POE2 for very long, specially the warrior I haven't played it since release of the game way back and alot has changed with worrior
anyway I figured it's much easier to play warrior if your 2nd weapon is crossbow or throwing spear for bosses
but that kinda changed my plan since I don't need shield that much anymore
if I will pursue 2h weapons would than be better to go for armour thingies in skill tree?

[wanton nexus]

I'm out right now (I don't think I listed it on the market), I was planning to use it since it looked decent, but not sure what build use it and didn't really look into it all that much. What price range would it be?

[hollow cave]

let me know what price youd like to sell for, if i can afford it, i'll buy it!
i was planning to use it with oracle druid spark build

[wanton nexus]

if you want to use it and don't have a lot to buy something better, send me a message with the price you are willing to pay and I can give it to you once I come back, I don't really need a lot of currency anymore.

[pseudo cloak]

Do you perhaps have one less charm slot in the other belt?

[lucid cloak]

Yes I actually do have less, does it matter?

[pseudo cloak]

Yep, it just means the third charm won't be able to be activated

[lucid cloak]

that I understand. but it is saying that the belt won't be counted

[pseudo cloak]

Does it specifically say the belt? Doesn't it just say "That item"?

[lucid cloak]

yes the belt is marked red and says this item stats won't count

[pseudo cloak]

Oh, do you perhaps have two of the same unique gem in it?

[lucid cloak]

very good call! thanks

that was it

the rune of cruelty lmao

[pseudo cloak]

That is a cruel one fo sho

[small anvil]

I'd guess a spark coc type build might

[devout valve]

Hey guys what catalysts should I put on this

Playing rampage Druid

Also is it good

[keen crest]

Hello; I would like to add more stats/modifiers to this but IDK how to proceed (exalting is a no); Vaal?

[inner thicket]

for Unique items, there's limited ways to modify them. for this item, you can increase the mana by using a mana catalyst (Neural). then you can Vaal it and might get an Enchant, another modifier.

[keen crest]

Will try; thank thank

[rapid lily]

why dont you really see any ritualist builds?

[uncut bay]

ritualists only have synergy for unique weapons with low damage, but modern builds use high damage weapons

[thin plinth]

Can someone tell me why I cant allocate my ice herald?? I have enough spirit do I not??

[static torrent]

Do you already have any other skills reserving Spirit?

[thin plinth]

No the only other thing I have related to spirit is this

[static torrent]

Also, if you're on PC, you can take screenshots with Win+Shift+S instead of needing to take a picture of the screen.

[thin plinth]

Oh thanks

But herald of ice is the only spirit skill I have

[static torrent]

What that will do is reduce how much Spirit you have and increase the Spirit reservation of your skills, you should be able to check the true Spirit reservation for Herald of Ice if you click on the arrow next to the DPS display.

[thin plinth]

Oh fuck

[static torrent]

Though 50 should still be enough unless my math is off. Also, are you currently wielding a Martial Weapon (Talisman included), or is your character holding a Staff?

[thin plinth]

Its 60 xD thank you!!

[static torrent]

Then my math was off xd

But yeah, the Gem tooltip only shows you the base values, the true ones are usually in the skill info panel when it's equipped.

[thin plinth]

Im not holding a scepter so thats my own dumb fault

Thank you so much

[minor thorn]

Hello, I'm following this build of feral invocation, but I saw that build have Apocalypse skill (Shaman skill specialization) but this is Oracle, so I dont know how to get that skill. https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal/character/Neim0idian-2333/UwucitoGatocito?timemachine=week-1&i=0&search=skills%3DFeral%2BInvocation%26timemachine%3Dweek-1%26class%3DOracle

[fallow nymph]

Is there a way to turn your ES into life?

[cobalt parcel]

So, I see a lot of builds using CoC, for an elemental damage build, wouldnt cast on ailment be better?

[late laurel]

No, but If you go EB+MoM it basically does

[thin plinth]

You can always go on the market and buy the skill off someone

[late laurel]

Previously it was explained to me that you can Consume an ignite from a static source (a la Burning Ground) once per second, but is that once per second per source? And from the phrasing on the actual tooltip, do they become immune to ignites at all for 1 second after it being consumed?

[static torrent]

They become immune to Ignites in general, not just a specific source.

[late laurel]

Darn

[rich heath]

Hi, anyone can link me a build to a all around coc blood mage build, i only have 300 divs.

[uncut bay]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/17f59 just buy cheaper versions of the items

[late laurel]

Since the damage for the consumed Ignite is based off the remaining damage of the Ignite, how's that work with static Ignites since they're essentially infinite damage? Does it just go by how much damage the ignite would deal in 4 seconds then?

[static torrent]

You mean with Ignited Ground? That still applies regular Ignites by building up Flammability and applying Ignite once it reaches 50%.

[late laurel]

Stuff like Solar Orb, Burning Ground, HellHound

[static torrent]

All of those apply regular Ignites with a duration

So if it was to consume the Ignite, it'd deal damage based on the most recent application of that Ignite.

[late laurel]

So Hellhound just constantly reapplies a regular ignite it doesn't actually have an ignite aura like it's described

[static torrent]

It is described as Igniting enemies around it, it's just that Ignite is an ailment with a duration, so it effectively constantly reapplies it.

Similarly with stuff like Solar Orb, it is described as Igniting as though dealing X to Y damage, so when an enemy is within range, it basically 'hits' it for that damage and determines the magnitude of the Ignite from it,

[late laurel]

weird

[late laurel]

Does Apex of the Moment's Slow only apply to enemy action speed or does it also apply to Ailments etc like Temp Chains does

[maiden reef]

anyone know of a way to hit yourself to proc thorns?

[late laurel]

AFAIK there are no methods of self-damage that count as Hits so as to Thorns yourself

[maiden reef]

i thought so have a thorns build thats doing really well except it's kinda doo doo on bosses as so many just have slow attacks

[late laurel]

Fireflower for example does do self-damage but not as a Hit, to my knowledge

[maiden reef]

yeah and for the barbs support gem it does say you have to retaliate with thorns ):

[late laurel]

I did also learn that Arcane Surge's regen applies after Tecrod's "Inc/Red to Life Regen also applies to Mana Regen"

Which is a massive bummer

[fringe kelp]

so... I'm using two invocations right now.... Is there any easy solution to HOLDING DOWN TWO BUTTONS ALWAYS

IDK why GGG doesn't have "auto cast" for them

considering you can just hold a hotkey

and that's the same thing

i'm gonna get carpal tunnel in 4 maps if I don't figure out some solution

i'm thinking maybe a rock and two particular keys on the keyboard or something? any ideas?

[soft raptor]

Is Sorceress good at endgame?

[woven depot]

yes, tbh theres not a single ascendancy that arent able to trivialise the current endgame

for super juiced party play temples some will have a harder time to scale than others though

[late laurel]

Pretty much any class can clear everything with a good enough build (or high enough budget for a bad build). Sorceress has 2 mid-ish Ascendancies and 1 kind-of-OP Ascendancy with the newest one

[soft raptor]

Is there a way to show the damage numbers?

[late laurel]

They show in the Gems menu, if you click the little arrow next to the DPS number it'll give you a better breakdown

If you mean damage numbers of your in-game skills

If you mean from the Ascendancies, that's kind of an impossible question to answer

[soft raptor]

I mean when you hit

Damage numbers popping up while hitting the enemy

[late laurel]

Oh, PoE doesn't do that

For Rares and Uniques/Bosses, you can see your accumulated recent damage above the health bar, but we don't have per-hit damage popups

Frankly there'd be too many

[rapid lily]

I just got a "time-lost" sapphire out of a vaal chest, ive never seen one before

[late laurel]

Out of a regular chest? That's weird, they're usually just in Trial of Sekhemas

[rapid lily]

well it was one of those vhests at a vaal beacon

are they good? Ive never really seen them before

[late laurel]

Can be, but probably not

They add extra stuff to passives within their range on your tree where they're socketed

[woven depot]

in campaign?

Wrong reply oops

there’s a guaranteed one in act 3

[rapid lily]

Yeah I got it from act three

[late laurel]

Ah

That one

[thin plinth]

Okay 2 things 1. Can someone help make 2 support skills for me and 2. I need help figuring what 2 idols to add to my scepter

[rancid cipher]

When using Path of Builder I've noticed that it isn't calculating in my conditional nodes like the ones that activate when I have a flask effect on. Is it possible to set this conditional to always active so it can show the proper numbers?

[uncut bay]

skills are assigned to weapons, not to classes, elemental spells are the meta this league, sorceress only makes sense for thunderstorm and firestorm builds which are very viable

[small anvil]

I'm not a pob expert, but there's a page where you can select a lot of conditional options. I thought it was configuration tab. I don't know flask specifically

[untold jewel]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Anonymous0111-4004/character/AnOnymOUsss

help me with this build

[soft raptor]

Should I go for elemental spells or shapeshift attacks as a druid?

[sturdy flare]

Does anyone know if I convert evasion to armor via iron reflexes if deflection still works?

[mortal swift]

so Im playing that witchhunter oil grenade build, I was wondering if there was any way for me to go fireflower amulet and sustain sorcery ward

[west wharf]

anyone knowledgeable on minions here?

[fringe kelp]

Fun bug of the day: this mod is bugged. It does NOT increase life regeneration rate DURING flask effect, it only increases the FLASK regeneration rate

which is NOT what it says

[dry burrow]

So I am doing a fully juiced abyss overrun + deli setup but all of a sudden, something explodes and I just get one shot. Where can I improve my survivability or is the build just not good for it?

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/BamKnows-6677/character/BamWaArm

[mossy harness]

For my build I was considering getting rite of passage charm the owl one. Anyone know if that one is still not working?

[fringe kelp]

nvm im dumb

[tribal gate]

Hey guys, I'm looking for recommendations on a tanky warrior build that can map and boss well. I don't mind being slow, I'm looking for an alt from my fast squishy ranger.

[tranquil wagon]

guys anyone here playing this build pls need help !
https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/anthonys-vampire-queen?weaponSet=set2

[agile remnant]

Is it a bug where you cant build glory in the abyssal depths? Im using ferocious roar+ancestral cry

[celest oxide]

Kinda wanna get into Whirling Assault

Invoker, Chayula, or Titan?

What's best?

[real zealot]

Works for me in depths. Maybe they just have more resists than topside, and you arent igniting as much or as often

PS: dalias lineage gem in there affects both the meta gem (ferocious roar) and the target skill gem (ancestral cry). You get a lot of increased dmg for empowered attacks, and a lot of duration

[clear heron]

Does the Beast aura "Heals Allies and Suppresses Foe Recovery" work on players? Or even minions?

[small anvil]

Defenses seem decent, other than that chaos res. Probably got hit with some kind of chaos dmg.

Evasion builds do have random deaths, happens from time to time.

[mortal swift]

is the heart of the well mod that gives inc EV from body armour multiplicative?

[brittle anvil]

additive

[lethal creek]

anyone have a good reference for an online build tool that does dps and defence calculations? I wish I could use PoB but I'm on Mac and need something that works in a browser.

[mortal swift]

so its additve to the local +EV on the chest?

then I assume its not that good on hyrris?

[brittle anvil]

umm let's say you have 300% inc global total and 50% inc from body, the body gets 350% and everything else gets 300%

[mortal swift]

ah I see

hmm kinda shit ngl

[brittle anvil]

idk you might not get 300% global I just made the number up

[mortal swift]

thats true, might as well buy the diamond and check its not that expensive anyway

anyone have any ideas about not losing archon buff when I fire my grenades

[obtuse fable]

hey pals, anyone knows a good guide on demon form and the flame mechanic of the infernalist? or is it 'dead' this patch? (I started playing a month or so)

[hybrid ocean]

First thing to keep in mind is that when levelling the character you'll want to avoid taking the rewards that give you extra maximum HP

Those being Candlemass in act 1 and the fire artifact thingy in the vastiri interlude

[static torrent]

I recall this being a recommendation for Demon Form at launch, but it now has a flat Life cost per Demonflame rather than being a percentage of your total Life, since 0.2. No idea how people approach Pyromantic Pact these days, though, so maybe it applies there.

[mortal swift]

huh why?

[hybrid ocean]

Oh

[mortal swift]

yea there is no reason to not take life

[mortal swift]

after all that is what effectively killed demon form in 0.2

[hybrid ocean]

Mb, operating on outdated information

[mortal swift]

pretty sure now you have to go leech or some bullshit

If you want high levels of demon form

[hybrid ocean]

You could run reduced duration with palm of the dreamer

[mortal swift]

whats that doing?

[hybrid ocean]

You're not Titan, but you should still be able to get enough for time of need to sustain it, right?

[mortal swift]

but whats the point of palm of the dreamer?

.>

[hybrid ocean]

For the reduced duration

You need to be either titan or have palm for a remotely usable reduced duration build

And both for the real 0 duration experience

72% off the tree, another 20% from titan, up to 13% from palm

[mortal swift]

Ah

but what will reduced duration do?

forgive me my brain is frozen

[hybrid ocean]

It reduces the interval between time of need ticking

Which heals you every 20-10 seconds or so

[hybrid ocean]

And not to worry, I think we've all been there before

[small anvil]

Reduced duration time of need is quite nice. Free heals and curse/ailment immunity, effectively anyhow.

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah. Tree + palm is only 85% though, which gets you down to like 1 second with compressed duration

Still a respectable 350 life per second at level 15, but not the virtual invulnerability to non-oneshots you get from being a titan

[small anvil]

I wonder what other skills are effective with reduced duration. The main one i think of is fusillade and calamity.

[mortal swift]

unborn lich staff has that new spell

which is like fusillade

[small anvil]

Yeah, that's the calamity one

Coming calamity or something like that

[obtuse fable]

His scattering calamity

[small anvil]

I count those two as the same thing

[obtuse fable]

Thanks everyone!

It seems so that pyromantic and demon form is kinda nerfed right now

From what you said

That's kinda sad :/ I love that idea of character

[small anvil]

I saw a demon form showcase, didn't try to make the build though

They could stay demon form for a minute or two, something fairly long

[inner thicket]

Elemental conflux - not as extreme or the same degree as Time of need, but reduce duration can be more optimal. In my use case, I deal fire and lightning dmg, so the less time during cold boost is ideal.

It’s cycles every 8 second, but with compress duration, it’s like 5. So 3 second I’m not on cold

[rancid cipher]

How good is Tul's Stillness with Lunar Assault? It seems pretty solid since Lunar Assault converts 80% of physical damage to cold, then Tul's adds 40% of cold damage as chaos. Unless my math is wrong, isn't that basically just a flat 32% damage increase? I checked out PoE Ninja but it didn't seem like it was very common.

[late laurel]

Wolf gets a lot of Gained As so more Gained As on top isn't as good

As just better base damage or added flat

Or %inc/more

[rancid cipher]

Is there a way to see added damage from it on Path of Builder? Changing the gem didn't seem to impact the damage on the left. Still new to the program, but I'd love to see the numbers on it.

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah, but you can't run any of HIS skills with a scepter, so

[small anvil]

who you talkin about? what skills? what is "HIS"?

legit don't understand your comment, need clarification

[hybrid ocean]

His Scattering Calamity/Dark Horizon/Foul Emergence etc.

Italics probably would've been better than capitalizing the i and s, mb

Unborn lich staff skills, at any rate.

[hybrid ocean]

.

[late laurel]

Scattering Calamity could really use the reduced duration as well so it's a bummer

[small anvil]

Titan asc helps with reduced duration. makes it easier to achieve good reduced number. but i'm not talking just about the unique staff or fusillade spell, i'm more curious about any other potential spell/ability that could make a cool build. i know spearfield has an interesting reduced duration aspect to it, something like that

maybe when we get traps/mines.... something cool can happen

[hybrid ocean]

There were a few other people in here discussing this a bit ago

I know caltrops were one of them

Impending doom is an obvious one

Bone blast seems rather mid, but it does benefit

[late laurel]

Time of Need, Curse Detonations, His Scattering Calamity, Ember Fusillade, Spearfield, Living Bomb

Those are the only ones I can think of that'd really benefit

Foul Emergence maybe if it reduces the added cast time

[hybrid ocean]

Doesn't living bomb just fizzle?

[late laurel]

Thought it pops on expiration

[west wharf]

you can do more actually

instead of just compressed duration you can put hayoxi's fulmination on time of need

which adds the limit tag, so you can further shove on overabundance I

for 50% less dur

so you can get this down to half a second

you can do the same tech on ghost dance, though i haven't seen anyone taking advantage of that yet

it's a bug that surely won't last into 0.5, but, well, nice while it's here lol

[west wharf]

zero dur hotg titan is pretty popular

hammer instafalls

ember fusillade, earthquake, spearfield

can kinda do caltrops but caltrops are pretty stinky

[hybrid ocean]

Btw, why is bursting decay so damn expensive?

[west wharf]

cus of @hoary bolt

lol

he cooked a pretty sick 0 dur bursting decay spearfield build that popped off

4% bursting decays are 1 mirror now

[sly cargo]

Need advice: I'm an arc coc blood mage looking at a staff. One has 10% more chc while the other has 50% more spell damage. Which do you think is better?

[hybrid ocean]

Yeesh.

I might have to see about mass chancing them then

[cloud pebble]

What's the best leveling strat for Spark COC Pathfinder?

until COC and Comet

[outer thorn]

Does the POE builder "Trade for these items" actually give u a link to the items? or just shows u them?.

[agile remnant]

ive seen people using efficiency with Fero roar+ancestral cry. Does that actually work? maybe it just reserves mana not glory, maybe they ran out of useful supports to put in

[west wharf]

efficiency doesn't work on glory

[agile remnant]

figured so, wonder why i keep seeign it

thanks!

[uncut bay]

you have access to attacking passives, so lightning arrow?

[west wharf]

possibly just cus ferocious roar has a very high mana cost when you socket a human warcry into it

has a 2x mana mult

so efficiency II is generally just a very common support to have in it

i think many of the ppl using ancestral ferocious are shamans, they don't care about the volcanic eruption or volcanic steps damage

they just want the ancestral boost for their rampage slams

so they put typical warcry supports in, rather than dmg stuff for ancestral cry

that's just my guess

[agile remnant]

oh you are right i see yea thats high

i mean i find it funny walkign on fissures personally lol

i love my bear armor though right now im trying to sort out all the mess of conversions i have.

[west wharf]

hmm?

what conversions

[celest oxide]

Got bored on Phrecia I need a new build

[hollow cave]

are there any items for gloves or shoes that can help me get more es? im using temporalis with oracle and my health and shield drops significantly (1k hp and 1.8k es), coming from a leech with over 15k es, this feels extremely squishy and I keep getting low hp every few packs.
for helmet i have vertex, gloves are paulascale, rare shoes, and temporalis chest armor with dueling wand and dream sceptre.

[agile remnant]

Im too confused to explain but ty haha. Mostly ancestral cry converting my phys but it ends up lowering my damage and abilty to do other things sorta. I just gotta play with it more

[soft raptor]

For elemental damage is is better to go Druid, Witch or Sorceress?

[celest oxide]

Anyone here know how much reduced % duration you need from Palm of the Dreamer to reach -100% Duration on Titan?

[late laurel]

Depends on what you wanna get out of your Ascendancy, what skill you're going, etc. That's a very broad question

[soft raptor]

I'm really new to the game...
Don't know what to excepect from an Ascendancy

Are Druid's Ascendancies more tailored towards shapeshifting?

[late laurel]

If you're new, honestly I'd just pick whichever class seems cool. Class really only matters for the sake of its Ascendancies, every class can still do anything any other class can do

Once you actually get to your Ascendancy you can check things out and try out skills that seem to fit it. Just kinda let your build evolve over time, that's usually how I run stuff and I have a lot of time sunk into the games

[soft raptor]

That's why I'm curious... I like both Sorceress and Druid. And I like to cast way more than shapeshifting

Since I don't have that much time to try both

I wanna make an informed decision

[late laurel]

Well, each Ascendancy is very different, so again that's not really possible to answer 100%. PoE doesn't really have "correct" answers to questions. I will say that one of Druid's Ascendancies is complicated and good offensively, the other is simpler and good defensively. For Sorceress, her two old ones are considered to be on the "flashy but underwhelming" side, but still work amazing when they do work, and her new one is very generically strong defensively and offensively atm

[soft raptor]

Which is the new Sorceress Ascendancy?

[late laurel]

Disciple of Varashta

[soft raptor]

Are stash tabs shared between characters?

[late laurel]

So long as they're in the same League yes

[fringe kelp]

not necessarily. I made a really good shaman plant/spell build

[late laurel]

I mean none of the ascendancies have anything Shapeshifter-specific

[pastel forge]

Shaman gets built in eternal rage but the first node also does nothing for shapeshift builds so it's kinda a waste

[uncut bay]

spells - witch, firestorm/thunderstorm - sorceress, bear - warrior, flame breath - pathfinder, rend - invoker/amazon/druid, wolf - I have no idea, you can use many different ascendancies

also, skills belong to weapons, not to classes

[fickle thistle]

What options are there to self-inflict bleed?

[rotund tartan]

quick question - crit impacts the size of an impale, right? because impale records pre-mitigation damage?

so a critical hit that causes impale is better than one that does not crit

[late laurel]

None, closest we got is Coat of Red which makes all Hits against you have 25% bleed chance, but we don't have a way to Hit ourselves. Self-damage, certainly, but no Hits tmk

[fickle thistle]

ah alright

[late laurel]

We do have Self-Ignite tho, with Infernalist

Self-chill as well (sorta)

[inner thicket]

Fireflower amulet cause you to take fire damage when you ignite an enemy

[late laurel]

Not a Hit tho tmk

And it's Fire damage so doesn't contribute to Bleed

[tranquil wagon]

guys have you tried any good budget bloodmage build to play full temple easy smooth ? is this possible if you can help me thanks

[uncut bay]

depends on what you mean by budget, I recommend comet on crit, infused spark, atziri chest, soul tether, if you can't afford those then rare chest, headhunter, atalui/lifetap

take crit and ES passives, get a lot of ES on items and such

[tranquil wagon]

if you can send me the build mate

ohhhh creo bro you there

[uncut bay]

yes hi

[tranquil wagon]

i sent you the build im following if you can remeber

m

[uncut bay]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/17f59

[tranquil wagon]

this is your build?

[uncut bay]

yes

[late laurel]

Fluke on CoC Spark good?

[wintry igloo]

I’m looking at the Stormweaver passive Strike Twice.

Does this translate to 40% increased damage if there’s 2 instances of shock on the target?

[tranquil wagon]

guys why we have red and green paths here ?

liquids things? or

[pastel forge]

Weapon sets

[soft raptor]

What to do with excess skill gems (I have two identical ones)

[tranquil wagon]

weapon sets? sorry how ?

may i know guys why this thing not working with me ? i cant see the laser beam after 7se

[stark bloom]

New to Poe Could a wilderspeaker build centered around crit hits and spectral wolves be decent?

[late laurel]

So yknow during the campaign when you got those books that gave you 2 skill points? Those skill points are also Weapon Set points, and can be separated into 2 different skill trees that swap back and forth tied to your active weapon set

For example, if you are using a Reduced Duration build, but want to use some things that really want higher duration rather than lower, you can have Set 1 be set to your regular Reduced Duration stuff, then tie certain skills to Set 2 to use an Increased Duration setup

Set 1 is denoted as red on the tree, and Set 2 is green

You can set your Set points by opening your passive tree and clicking the buttons in the top right hand corner labeled "I" and "II", they should have a "24 (0)" in each of them if you've beaten the campaign, meaning "24 Set points unallocated (0 available)". You gotta unallocate some skill points from your tree to set up the split

In a lot of cases it essentially just doubles the value of those skill points

Wolf builds, for example, have one Set for their regular Damage stuff, and another Set just with a bunch of Duration/Cooldown stuff just to get 100% uptime on Lunar Blessing without sacrificing damage

[radiant lake]

What’s a great build and class right now

Got tired of plant Druid stuck on 79 level. What other build is there

[atomic halo]

plant druid is perfectly fine tho

[atomic halo]

wrong channel this is poe2

[atomic halo]

not much?

you can corrupt the second one looking for results like +1 socket/+1 level in the right situation if you have the first as a backup i guess

[atomic halo]

"increased damage" is not the same thing as "increased damage taken"

the latter is generally better because it's rarer

and whether it's 40% or more depends on your modifiers to shock magnitude, which can scale it

[fickle thistle]

Which %inc apply to Thorns damage. Only %inc thorns damage?

what about generic %inc damage, %inc attack damage etc?

[soft raptor]

I'm still on act 1. I gesso corrupting will come later

[unique pivot]

wouldn't this be really good for a leap slam build if I also get some skill speed runes for it or something?

or is the dps way too low

[static torrent]

Considering neither of those are in PoE2, I assume you meant to post in https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/185829045596848129

[late laurel]

That's kind of a big question, there's plenty build diversity rn in terms of stuff that can clear all content. Plant Druid sure, no-crit CoC Oracle is fairly popular, Infernalist Winnowing Flame/Flame Pillar seems pretty spicy, reverse-Chill is also fairly popular now, all the Shapeshifting forms are pretty great and have multiple Ascendancies that work well with them, "Acolyte of Chayula at home" EB Blood Mage/Oracle is good if tricky, Shaman and Oracle are both great petmancers, the list goes on and on

[inner thicket]

Yeah, dps too low. Accuracy dead stat

[soft raptor]

Who has better ascendacies considering endgame?
Whitch or Sorc?

[late laurel]

Both? Again that's a big dependency on what skills you wanna run and how

Every Ascendancy/Class can run all content in the endgame depending on build, not Ascendancy

[hybrid ocean]

Ascendancies enable very specific builds around particular interactions

[late laurel]

Both have very popular Ascendancies this league, with Witch's Blood Mage and Sorc's Disciple of Varashta

[hybrid ocean]

for general, basic builds where you shoot at/hit enemies until they die, any ascendancy works

[late laurel]

You've asked this kind of thing a few times and I really would recommend just picking one and playing the game normally, exploring which skills feel best/coolest to you personally to play, and just setting up your character regardless of Ascendancy for that skill/those skills. The answer isn't "it doesn't matter", it's "there is no definitive answer"

By-and-large, every Ascendancy can use any Skill in the game well enough to clear everything the game has to offer. If you wanna go as simple as possible, with the clearest possible build for what it wants to do, go Sorc with Stormweaver Ascendancy. It's all Lightning and/or Cold, nothing crazy

[main spear]

Bear shamans still a thing?

[late laurel]

Why wouldn't they be

[main spear]

Haven’t seen any good guides lol I was messing with some future starters for next season

[late laurel]

I mean, it's pretty straightforward

Also not every good build has a guide or even really needs a guide

[slate vessel]

anyone able to look at my build gear etc, see where i am going wrong if i am?

plant druid btw*

[late laurel]

Need the poeninja or smth

[cloud pebble]

Is there a reason not to start a chain with a Synthflesh Lab after a banner?

I haven't seen a single guide that has referenced this tile at all or talked about this

[late laurel]

@west wharf I need help deciding on an Ascendancy for the Maximum Dog build
Oracle has a ton of Minion Hidden nodes and of course Entwined, but it'd also be my third fucking Oracle build this League.
Shaman has all that extra Spirit and Bonded stuff which seems quite good, but also ehhhhhh Shaman.
Infernalist gets +1 Dog and some defences off of Altered Flesh, but nothing else really sticks out as beneficial for the build.
Tactician gets Suppressing Fire, Res Efficiency, and added Minion damage based on their own damage, plus either Banner or Deflect stuff, but idk how often the Banner stuff would apply and it's really far away from all the Minion nodes.
Lich can give Unholy Might but managing Presence is annoying and is harder to do.
Abyssal Lich has Res Efficiency, and I guess Umbral Souls and the Offerings stuff but those only benefit yourself really.
Disciple of Varashta has good defences and excellent built-in Minion Commands, but also... Minion Commands.
Chronomancer has potentially some great tech with Inevitable Agony but otherwise doesn't bring much to the table.
Warbringer potentially does great support with its armour breaking and has decent defences.

Keep in mind I'd also need to route over to Trusted Kinship to be able to use both Wolves and Hyenas, plus all the valuable Companion nodes down there

I could use Yriel's Fostering instead of Trusted Kinship, potentially. It's not a bad chest piece but it's not very good

[west wharf]

i vote for cast on minion death so you can explode all your dogs

[late laurel]

Hey that's anti-dog

[west wharf]

technically they're respawning so you're actually getting MORE dogs

if you ever think warbringer is good

don't

that is all i have to say about warbringer

[late laurel]

Infinite armor break tho

[west wharf]

in practice that thing is useless as hell

[late laurel]

Plus it's got the Hyenas in the art

[west wharf]

player hits are MUCH larger than a minor amount of negative armour

[late laurel]

Though it's also giving Cast On Minion Death

[west wharf]

so in practice it does like zero

[west wharf]

true

[late laurel]

I do not wish to rip and tear

I wish to scratch, perhaps bite, while my family does all the work

[west wharf]

my gut says tactician

otherwise i just don't see the puppers doing damage

but you can't go the hyena talisman with tactician

cus it has like no flat damage

[late laurel]

Yeah Watch How I Do It wouldn't be doing a ton with Hyenas

If I were to keep Hyenas

Which ideally I would

But they're not technically dogs

No Howl bonus certainly

Or, well, Watch How is just added Flat right?

[west wharf]

yeah, from your wep specifically

[late laurel]

Yeah, so it'd add like 10-20 flat phys off that, plus the 40ish% inc damage on the inherent

Which isn't a ton in comparison to a regular Fang Talisman potentially getting like 100-200 flat added to em

But then I'd have 9 less dogs with which to use that on

This is a tricky puzzle

On the other other hand, going Tactician does let me use War Banner which would be pretty dang hefty as a bonus for the dogs as well. 25% More AS and AD across 20-something dogs is a lot

If Embankment Auras applies to all allies it'd be a no-brainer

[west wharf]

@late laurel could do rage dogs

[late laurel]

Yeah but for that I'd probably have to do either Shaman or another Oracle

[west wharf]

TECHNICALLY

you could do a zerphis titan

to get like 165 rage

and just boneshatter around hella fast with that mace that lets minion AS apply to you

i think trenchtimbre

but i don't think that's much of a dog build at that point

[late laurel]

Yeah

Theoretically Cast on Minion Death would also work better with Tactician for easier availability to Lifelong Friend, so 50% Faster revive time, but then I couldn't use Pounce dogs

I fear the Faster is treated like an Increased/Reduced though, and not a More/Less, so if you hit 100% Faster I doubt it'd be a 0s revive time, though 100% is doable

[west wharf]

it wouldn't yea

although there's some level of bugginess with

wolf pack and weaponswaps specifically

where for some reason some of your wolves appear to just

ignore minion reformation time entirely

if you have wolf pack on one weaponset and constantly swap between weaponsets

so you kinda just get infinite wolves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94qhI5qZnL4

[late laurel]

Which I also don't wanna do cuz it's an exploit

[west wharf]

(that's how this build works)

if i were trying to play a dog build

i would use any and every exploit i possibly could

they don't count as exploits when you're playing dog

they're like crutches for a handicapped man

[late laurel]

Nah

[west wharf]

they are a necessity

[late laurel]

Wolves are already very good

While Lunar Blessing only applies to Wolves, Lunar Howl applies to all Allies, which is a LOT of flat spread out across all the Hyenas and dogs

Plus Bhatairs, so Hyenas may actually be better than regular/Rare

Build might be anemic lol

[west wharf]

i suppose at least lots of jewels is pretty good for companion builds

companion dmg rolls up to like 20% on jewels

if you get mega lucky

and look for jewels with companion dmg prefix and 2nd prefix open

there's actually a hybrid companion dmg + companion life desecrate

so you can get up to 30% companion dmg on a jewel

technically

[late laurel]

Wouldn't the hybrid take the slot of the basic?

[west wharf]

nopers

they can coexist

just very rare

[late laurel]

Odd

[west wharf]

cus nobody desecrates for that shit

but well, it is possible

[late laurel]

Well, I could afford one of those lol

6 Jewel sockets if I do it like this which I prolly won't

Prolly anoint Gigantic Following

If I don't go Maximum Dog and just go Halfmax Dog with just Pack + Pounce and a regular Rare Talis, that might be better anyway cuz with Hyenas it might literally be too many bodies to fit into melee range of enemies

Although... maybe I go Giant's Blood with Chober Chaber and just swap into Wolf for Howl/Blessing which is just for the dogs

[normal pumice]

Does blackflame covenant affect ignites globally, e.g. ignites caused by fire infused spells?

[west wharf]

any conversion on tree should be global conversion

only conversion on skillgems is local

[normal pumice]

I reread it's wording, it is limited to only fire spells it seems. Thanks.

[late laurel]

Can you get AS and AS/CompanionAS on Talismans?

Seems like it'd be a similar situation

[west wharf]

no

[late laurel]

Bah

[finite crow]

i’m confused i just bought a new bow and when i put it in for my poison burst build it’s saying it’s the wrong weapon type

[stark bloom]

Any thoughts or suggestions on a build centered around fairgraves curse artillery bow? Was thinking of going with either Titan or pathfinder for my ascendancy.

[radiant lake]

Is illegal one shot blood mage long to build ???

I have that and I find it boring and weak Just started At level 30

[uncut bay]

great question

[tranquil wagon]

anyone here guys need your help if you are playing bloodmage comet may i know why i cant make the laser beam here

[tranquil wagon]

no one here

[cloud pebble]

What is the lowest Spirit cost you can whittle Cast On Critical down to *without gear that increases reservation efficiency"? I know you can corrupt it down to 89 or 90 based on quality. With Dialla's and/or Efficient Inscriptions what can it get knocked down to?

Does Dialla's shave 15 spirit off? And E.I. 20 spirit? 55 Spirit with the right combo?
(I don't have the Dialla's to test this all out otherwise I would have already)

[slate vessel]

how can i link my build /gear if someone can give me some tips or bits to improve im a plant druid

[main spear]

Any beginning starter Titan bear guide? I can get some twink leveling gear off

[spiral zinc]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal

Upload your character there

[agile remnant]

man this is annoying idk whats going on but is the dps tooltip next to your skills bugged sometimes? i respeced for somthing that should have given me more dps but it went down. So i respeced back but its even lower now i have no clue whats goin on

maybe because it calculated burgeon some how on accident

same with close combat. maybe the game sometimes caculates its max potential dps?

agh man this is so annoying i cant tell if i just lost a ton of damage

we need testing dummys

[inner thicket]

It would help you specify or provide info to your build.

But off the top of my head, if you have Killer Instinct and not at full HP, your tooltip will be skewed

[severe jacinth]

Why does the Darkness Enthroned belt not increase my energy shield with two iron runes? It only increases my evasion

[late laurel]

Tooltips do get weird sometimes, though on occassion it's also just from "oops forgot that part" or just being on the wrong weapon set

[verbal lark]

hi, I’m gone jumping back into the game, coming from PoE one, and I want to plan things out. Just started, but how does comet internalist sound? Like… is comet a decent spell?

(now we’re in the right channel)

[late laurel]

It's quite literally the best spell in the game, after Spark of course

[verbal lark]

we take those??????

[late laurel]

Infernalist has some decent stuff for it, but Comet is generally favored on CoC builds atm, especially on Oracle

[verbal lark]

i just wanna do infernal flame stuff

[late laurel]

Comet is basically never selfcast

[verbal lark]

oh is it like autocast with on ailment or whatever

[late laurel]

On Ailment, On Crit, On Minion Death, whatever works for your build

[verbal lark]

(also as an aside how is infernal flame/archon?)

(and what works with it?)

[late laurel]

Archon is a very strong buff but it has very odd juggling to it. Infernalist exchanges one juggle for another, more easily viewable one (though not necessarily more easily manageable)

But also Infernalists don't have to worry about Mana Recovery which is a plus, they just can't go EB/MoM which is fine

There's also a node over by MoM that makes Arcane Surge apply to Life instead of Mana which is a huuuuge boon if you go Demon Form, especially if you go Crit cuz it's also right next to a cluster that gives Arcane Surge on Crit

[verbal lark]

what spells wuold you reccomend for archon infernalish?

[late laurel]

No idea

Too many options

[verbal lark]

(also why is sparks so good?)

(thank you for all your help btw)

More questions heaped on top of each other, this one much more far reaching: how has the buildcrafting changed, in general, between PoE 1 and 2?

Like there seem to be more incentives to focus on potentially multiple different skills, is that correct?

[late laurel]

Spark is good cuz it casts very quickly so it works for selfcast or autocast, essentially has a huge AoE, and can hit single targets multiple times per cast

Buildcrafting has changed by the crafting being more limited and the survivability changes, plus the difficulty being higher in general

And yes, there is much more focus on multiple skills rather than one-button builds that dominate PoE1

[verbal lark]

i'll keep that in mind, thank you very much

[inner thicket]

beside the already mentioned, spark, honorable mentions: Frostbolt, Arc, Snap. at least those are the skill I often see

[late laurel]

if you go Infernalist and get the Beyond Reach quiver and use either a Chaos bow skill like Poisonburst Arrow or something like Voltaxic Rift or Widowhail you can proc Ignite, Freeze, Shock, and Poison (also Bleed with a little investment) with every hit

If a single Attack hits the enemy multiple times, does Temper Weapon affect:

1. Every hit, costing 1 Empower total
2. The first hit, costing 1 Empower total
3. Every hit, costing 1 Empower per hit

[agile remnant]

I wish we had a support that makes tornados chase the nearest more powerful non unique

[hybrid ocean]

Ping me tomorrow, I have a character I can test this with. I suspect it's option 2 though.

Since it says trigger, I think we can at least rule out option 1

[late laurel]

There is also 4) Any hit per [time], probably 1 second, costing 1 Empower each

[barren nacelle]

are there any builds on how to mana stack on other characters besides Templar ? Cause i want to do a surfcaster mana stacker

[spiral zinc]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/toomanypuppies8-4620/character/Plow_Master

anyone have any tips for more survivability? Idk how to get a melee character to be able to withstand boss hits and im only at +3 levels to bosses so far. Druid-rend

[west wharf]

you need to put some weaponsets together

so that you can have an actual bossing rotation

you're missing a lot of the stuff that makes a character actually tick

a clearing vs bossing wepset would let you get a bunch of aoe + movespeed online for clearing without sacrificing bossing damage

as well as get a ferocious roar and shred setup going so that you can actually have rage + not have to whack a boss for 2 years to get your pcharges up

proj acceleration does nothing on oil barrage, you've got no inc proj speed - it's a dead support

shove something like hit and run in there instead

ele armaments is also pretty awk considering oil barrage has a huge phys dmg component, you can replace that with minion pact II

a nova proj 1 - salvo - ricochet - hit and run - minion pact II setup can work too if you fire from point blank range

you can put hayoxi's fulmination - overabundance 1 in your time of need to halve the timer

you can add savage fury for free with weaponsets

since herald of ash can go on your mapping wepset, and savage fury on your bossing wepst

even if you don't want to split into mapping-bossing wepsets, you can do a warcry wepset

to get max rage before boss + crit weakness from warcry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNAZBI6cdhg
you don't need to follow this build guide exactly since it's quite different from your setup, but you can get some ideas from here

in terms of setup

[uncut bay]

you should be aware ofthe sacro chest and the demon form playstyle

[normal pumice]

In a two player coop session with one Blackflame Ring ignite build and one regular ignite build, are both characters' ignites (chaos dot ignite and fire dot ignite) on one enemy possible?

[devout valve]

Could someone show me some screen caps of the best atlas tree setups

[fickle thistle]

Can thorns leech mana in anyway?

[normal pumice]

Going Blood Magic and using life leech is not an option I suppose? Mana leech via thorns I don't know.

[fickle thistle]

Was looking at Mana stacking thorns with Ice Tomb.

[main spear]

Anyone ever play Titan bear? Lol

[hybrid ocean]

Anyone experimented fully with the "share charges with allies in your presence", "allies in your presence gain charges instead of you" and resonance?

I'm wondering what happens with pretty much every permutation of these. And also the same but with differing presence radii leading to only the person gaining the charge being in the presence of their ally and vice versa

Names of the first two being Lochtonial Caress (gloves) and Conduit (keystone)

[spiral zinc]

It adds 40% projectile speed so I thought it would add 40% dmg?

[spiral zinc]

Is time of need better than the armour spirit gem? I currently have time of need off due to spirit limitations. I know you advised a lot that will help with damage, but my bigger issue is being one shot from things like abyss monsters or some how expedition monsters. Also the canon guys in the temple one shot me most of the time. I’m thinking about trying to spec back into using mana again, but have damage come from mana first, but not sure it’s worth it. I’ll check out that pob you sent

[spiral zinc]

Does minion pact still work even when the dogs are low health? They can’t die so I’m not sure if it’s actually working or not since their health doesn’t go past a certain point

[slate vessel]

Any Help or bits to focus on my plant druid build? https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Sentience-1550/character/Spiritbox_UK

[spiral zinc]

Watched the video and I definitely think I’m just going to switch closer to that build. Thanks for sending

[west wharf]

it doesn't add 40% proj speed

it gives 40% more proj speed

more proj speed isn't an increase/reduc to proj speed mod, so it doesn't give any damage

[spiral zinc]

Ahh okay. I missed the more

[west wharf]

at least personally, for fixing a build i'd recommend just holistically fixing the most approachable issues

even if you feel the problem is defense

cus offfense = defense in this game as well

builds that don't have good dmg to instaclear packs and 100-0 bosses naturally take a lot more damage and get put in more danger

hybrid life/ar/es isn't a defensive categorization that has naturally good and easy sustain options

there's ways to get sustain ofc, but they take a lv of investment

[spiral zinc]

True, but my thoughts were I want to be able to at least stay alive while doing things like trying to pull the abyss guy out of the void.

[west wharf]

meaning if your damage+coverage isn't good, you're never going to feel really tanky

[spiral zinc]

Yeah I’ve over invested into life leech I think. It does fine for the most part but it’s crazy still getting one shot with 80% armor/70% ele dmg reduction

[west wharf]

this is true yeah, unfortunately some of the premiere ways for you to get better-feeling overall sustain look out of your budget

which is why i mostly commented on other stuff

for example a modded soultether with the lose ES% per second line removed

would be very important for overall comfort so you're not constantly bleeding ES if you're not actively leeching

but that's very expensive

[spiral zinc]

Ahh okay. Yeah that’s so far out of my price range I’ve never even seen one lol

[west wharf]

oh they're not terrible now

70-80 divs or so

though that still looks a little out of budget based on your current gear

[spiral zinc]

lol would be almost the last of the divines

I finally hit 300 divines and then spent 140 on that chest piece that didn’t do much for me

[west wharf]

hybrid ar/life/es is in general a little bit of a rough defensive typing to go for

cus u have to split scaling and recovery across so many different things

suffix pressure is pretty horrible

[spiral zinc]

Armour just doesn’t seem to do enough

[west wharf]

well thing is

armour isn't bad, you just have to understand a few things about it

1. it's not good vs big hits, so you still ideally want a big hitpool with armour

2. it does nothing vs chaos dmg, and ES takes 2x dmg from chaos

so your build is fairly weak to chaos

3. you need to invest into armour applies to ele% for it to be useful vs ele

which you don't have a lot of (as i mentioned, big suffix pressure on gear)

[spiral zinc]

Well misconception on my end then because I expected it to be better for big hits.

My ele reduction is above 70% between gear and tree. Figured that would be enough. Guess not

[west wharf]

the bigger the hit, the lower the dmg reduc% you get from armour

it's in general very effective vs lots of small shotgun hits and makes general mapping comfy

it does very little against big oneshots

if something is oneshotting you through your ~5k hitpool

14k armour is probably only giving 10-15% reduc

it'd be like a 6.5k-7k premitigation hit to oneshot you, so yeah like 15% pdr% from your armour

[spiral zinc]

They just refuse to make anything that works at face value

[static torrent]

For reference, the percentage usually shown on the character screen is against a small hit, and would be a lot less against the actually dangerous stuff.

[spiral zinc]

Makes sense then why it’s frustrating me. I’ve been focused on getting more armor to avoid one shots when what I need is a bigger pool behind it.

[west wharf]

right

this is just my personal preference for armour builds (you don't necessarily have to follow it), but i personally prioritize

getting a big hitpool first, because focusing on armour with small hitpool will always be sus for oneshots

and when you have good dmg+coverage, oneshots are usually what get you

with a big enough hitpool to avoid oneshots, what becomes problematic sometimes are if you do happen to get shotgunned by some small hits

so i just get whatever moderate layer of armour i can on low investment to be comfier vs those small shotgun hits

and call it a day

and there are fairly efficient ways to achieve that

i.e. you can go full ES on all gear

use only a hybrid armour/ES chest (or atziri's splendour if you can afford that)

and anoint or click iron slippers on your tree

and it's enough to get like

10-15k armour already, with good gear

that's all it really takes to get a moderate layer of armour on a good budget oracle build

one hybrid chestpiece

because you're doing a full hybrid ar/life/ES build, you can't really take CI to nullify berserk degen

meaning you're stuck with a lower rage build with no berserk

so the %inc armour value you get from vengeful fury is WAY lower than it can be

[west wharf]

@spiral zinc i highly recc at the bare minimum you get a warcry setup online asap

that way you can add berserk to your combat wepset

and hit warcry whenever you want to stop degenning (berserk doesn't need to be on your warcry wepset)

berserk will add both a lot of dmg + a lot of armour via scaling your vengeful fury

it'll also max your rage before bosses

ferocious roar (20q) + echoing cries + raging cries + efficiency II

and simply drop a damage cluster to take the roaring cries notable on your warcry weaponset, since you don't fight in that weaponset

[spiral zinc]

Yeah I used one when first leveling because I used to play titan in .1 but decided it felt clunky so took it out. Looks like I’ll have to look into getting one back in the lineup.

[late laurel]

pingas

[hybrid ocean]

Ah, right

Lemme do that

I imagine the easiest way is gonna be using brutality to make the skill triggering it deal 0 damage

In loading screen hell rn

[west wharf]

yea you don't need to do anything special with it

it's just pressing it once before the boss actually spawns in, so not too clunky

cus of echoing cries

it's just good to have it on its own tree, so that you can get some warcry perks for it + use it to stop berserk degen

[hybrid ocean]

gruh

now OBS is being OBStinate

[spiral zinc]

Yeah I’ve been being lazy this league with the tree. Looks like I’ll have to stop hah

[hybrid ocean]

fucking gruh

[late laurel]

Gotta cut it or reduce the res

[hybrid ocean]

Ignore the take in the beginning

It makes sense in context

Something something socioeconomics

Answer seems to be 2)

[late laurel]

I can't quite tell, I guess the smoldering effect on the ground indicates it's just the once

Thus 2, or perhaps 4

[hybrid ocean]

Yeah

[late laurel]

Bummer, I was hoping for a Rapid Strikes build lol

Temper do be cheeks

There a way to turn Armour into Damage?

[hybrid ocean]

Yep

[late laurel]

Armour or Block, really. I know Chernobog's shield and that one nodes but I mean like an actual skill or setup that can use it as its main damage source

[west wharf]

uhh

iron ward

in a sense

you save prevented phys dmg up -> pop iron ward

[late laurel]

Not quite what I mean

If there's a way to get Armour to increase damage like you can with Block chance (Chernobog's and that one node as mentioned) is what I mean, or a skill that uses it outright which I doubt exists atm

[west wharf]

to be fair iron ward essentially uses it outright

iron ward builds use self-hits to build it up

so they don't wait to get hit like thorns builds

outside of that though...

i don't think so?

in the same vein as iron ward there's self-hit lightning coil builds

but i suppose that's not really armour scaling

[late laurel]

What causes physical self-hits tho? I know of a couple self-damage stuff but I didn't think stuff like Fireflower counted as a Hit, and the ones I know of aren't phys

[west wharf]

fireflower counts as a hit, which is why it can be used with ngamahu charm for max rage

some builds do fireflower + rat cage to take phys dmg from fireflower

there's also heartbound loop to take phys dmg on minion death

scold's bridle to take phys dmg hit from using a skill

and volatility to take phys dmg from volatility exploding on you

[late laurel]

Oh yeah forgot Volatility was phys

Why isn't it Chaos

Well cuz of CI I guess

[west wharf]

outside of that there's all the shield skills that scale off your armour on your shield i guess

i think that's about it

[late laurel]

Bah

How does Watch How I Do It interact with Totems since they use your own stats anyway?

Is it just doubling up on base damage, adding flat on top of their regular damage?

[west wharf]

doesnt interact

afaik

[late laurel]

They're allies tho no?

[west wharf]

technically yes

but they behave differently from other allies

because they use your stats

so some ally mods work and some don't, to my understanding

i think the tldr; is they will benefit from defensive ally bonuses, because they do not use your defenses - they have their own independent defensive stats

but they will not benefit from offensive ally bonuses, because they use your offenses - they do not have their own independent offensive stats

that’s my very vague and potentially very incorrect layman’s understanding of it

@coarse crescent @static torrent probably have a more accurate explanation of it, I don’t play with totem/minion stuff much

[coarse crescent]

totems should be getting flat from watch how i do it

if they dont, thats a bug

[west wharf]

I’m pretty sure they don’t, since it’d doubledip on your damage

[coarse crescent]

not exactly a "doubledip"

[west wharf]

I remember the tact players all didn’t take it last league, when everyone was trying the new mortar cannon stuff

I THINK anything that uses your offensive stats won’t benefit from it

[coarse crescent]

that would be inconsistent wording and plain bad design

[west wharf]

yeah true I feel like it should work

but I don’t think it does

[hybrid ocean]

Btw, any knowledge on the interactions betwixt Lochtonial Caress, Conduit and Resonance?

[west wharf]

I don’t think there’s any interaction

conduit would give charges to allies instead of you

so you have no charges to share with lochtonial

[hybrid ocean]

Oh, I don't mean specifically with one person having all three

but with multiple people having conduit or lochtonial

or one person having one and their party member the other

And what happens if any combination of these has resonance

[late laurel]

I wanna build Smith of Kitava or Tactician but I'm struggling to find a like build for them

They're primarily defensive. Smith has Fire Spell on Hit and Manifest Weapon but the latter seems weak and the former requires mixing Attacks and Spells which is sort of a non-bo generally I think. Tactician has Totem stuff which is good but Totems themselves are bad, Minion stuff which is good but is all on the opposite side of the tree for actual pathing.

Maybe bignites with Fire Spell on Hit and Flame Pillar but all the Fire spells kinda suck

Also I'm not sure just how bad Supporting Fire is but considering it's a Minion Command and can't be in your Presence for WHIDI that seems a bit pointless

763% AD + 1% inc. Damage per 1 Str apparently so it doesn't even use WHIDI but that seems pretty strong on its own actually

[west wharf]

i think a lotta ppl like throwing detonate dead on fire spell on hit

for nice clear coverage

[late laurel]

That's not a build tho

[west wharf]

tact gets pretty nice damage on xbow setups cus of trinity + eternal rage

on like galvanic and whatnot

[late laurel]

It's not synergistic with itself that's just HoI with extra steps and an asc point

[west wharf]

to an extent yea, though hoi takes spirit + polcirkeln + cold dmg, and herald chaining is prolly getting kaboom'd in 0.5

so not necessarily a bad idea to mess around with some non-herald coverage setups

herald chaining was so ubiquitous on attack builds this league i have 0 faith it's lasting another patch

bhatair's is probably getting partially kaboom'd too

[late laurel]

Meh

Still, not really a buildaround

Maybe I go Minion with Supporting Fire, WHIDI, and Banners? Idk if Supporting Fire would be affected by Banners but like Wolves and Skeles would

[hybrid ocean]

Fire spell on hit maybe mixed with Mjölnir, since it has the exact same build around conditions

Ooh

Maybe Snap?

Eugh. Crown of eyes would be so much easier to work with if it either went both ways or also applied to crit and ailment modifiers

[west wharf]

true but then it'd be way too ubiquitous

shit's way too strong for its availability as is

the fact that +4 vertexes exist and attack druids still mostly want COE is nuts

gross item

[late laurel]

Could be fun but then you'd have to figure out how to get Cold on as well

[normal pumice]

Which skills are good candidates for highest number of hits per second/minute to apply withered stacks quickly? I was thinking Entangle with branching fissures, Lightning ball with multiple projectiles, Xbow Rapid Fire.. any suggestions?

[late laurel]

Spark

[uncut bay]

aoe definitely thunderstorm

single target spark maybe, but thunderstorm also good

[fringe kelp]

Does anyone know if the waystone mod increased monster life also increases their ailment threshold and stun threshold? Or is that only based on their base life and not their final increased life?

[west wharf]

ailment threshold is based on monster level, not monster life - so it won't be affected by %inc monster life mod

stun threshold is based on monster life, so it will be affected by %inc monster life mod

there are also other external influencers like poise threshold for immobilizations like stun/pin/electrocute/freeze, which are independent of monster life as well

[fringe kelp]

interesting. that kinda stinks for stun based builds

but yeah for an ailment based build, its good to know that inc life% won't ruin everything, i kinda thought it would

[west wharf]

well

keep in mind if the ailment in question is freeze/electrocute

then it will still be harder to build up on some stuff, but not based on %life to my understanding

[fringe kelp]

why would it be harder, then?

if its not based on life?

[west wharf]

sorry i meant vs bosses specifically

uniques have higher poise threshold

[fringe kelp]

but would the %inc life mod change that?

[west wharf]

nope

[fringe kelp]

oh you just mean its harder to freeze uniques/bosses/etc?

yeah i definitely knew that part already

[west wharf]

yeah was just giving a brief explanation of why it does that, since uniques have the same ailment threshold as other mobs

mb was unclear

[fringe kelp]

oh interesting. The ailment threshold is the same? so its just as easy to shock a unique as a normal monster of the same lvl?

[west wharf]

to my understanding yes, which is why if you have any appreciable amount of cold/lightning dmg, bosses get chilled and shocked so quickly

[fringe kelp]

yeah, that does kinda line up with my experience

[west wharf]

it's only the immobilizes where the uniques have higher threshold

[fringe kelp]

whereas stun/freeze/pin is way harder to build up on bosses, especially once you get the atlas boss difficulty nodes going

[west wharf]

yerp

iirc poise threshold multiplier is

213% more on map bosses, 500% more on regular bosses, 838% on xesht

i dunno what rogue exiles count as tbh

[fringe kelp]

is there a multiplier via monster power too?

it is definitely more than 3x as hard to freeze a boss compared to a white mob

in terms of overall cold damage needed

[west wharf]

not that i know of, though there is some multiplier via boss difficulty

[fringe kelp]

really? 🤔 i'm curious to test (but not curious enough to do the work).... feels like if 100 cold damage freezes a white mob, 300 cold damage wouldn't freeze a map boss

[fringe kelp]

do we know how big that multi is? i guess most of my gameplay is with +4 difficulty map bosses so maybe I'm just jaded

[west wharf]

sorry what i mean is

i don't know if there's a gap between white/magic/rare mobs

uniques all have way higher poise threshold than white mobs

[west wharf]

i'm not aware of exact formulas, in pob you can toggle between regular mob / boss / pinnacle / uber pinnacle only

and it outputs the poise threshold

in the non-damaging ailments section in the calcs

if you hover stun buildup it'll display the enemy poise

[fringe kelp]

ohhh, i see what you mean. So uniques already have a higher poise and then there's a ~3x multiplier for bosses on top of that

[west wharf]

yes, i believe so

my vague understanding is

uniques have very high poise, map bosses 213% more, pinnacle bosses 500% more, xesht 813% more

stuff like rogue exiles would just have the baseline unique poise without the further mults

(i could be very wrong on some of this)

there's quite limited information available

so this is just insofar as my personal understanding and testing

[west wharf]

if you toggle between the different monster types, ailment threshold remains constant as long as level is held constant

which is pretty consistent with my super basic shitty COC tests

when i run COC on oracle with like 1% critchance to make sure i basically never get actual crit multi affecting my crit damage,

[fringe kelp]

makes sense

[west wharf]

it does not matter if i'm hitting a squishy archer or a tanky melee

or if i'm running a white map vs +70% monster life

my hits seem to generate the same energy on avg vs isolated white mobs

[fringe kelp]

new question, for something like wind dancer, "more damager per stage" (shows up on whirlwind lance and such as well), does that count stage 1 as "more"? or is that "more damager per stage past #1"?

like this one says "per additional", so I presume that's "beyond the first"?

but wind dancer just says "per stage" which would imply you are getting the 1st step of "more" even on stage 1?

[west wharf]

it's 50% more for stage 1 yes

but stage 1 is not its baseline

0 stages is the baseline

and then it can gain up to 3

if you get them knocked off you're at 0 stage rather than stage 1

[fringe kelp]

do you know how the prevention to further freeze/pin/electro/stun after recovering works? i presume it's some decaying poise resistance upon becoming "un-immobilised"

but does it share between? like after they unfreeze, is it also harder to electro/pin/stun them? or are all of them separate bars?

[west wharf]

that's a great question, sadly i'm not familiar with it

i assume it's general immobilize resistance

since the poise threshold stat is shared between the different immobilizes

i've not seen any actual numbers on that part

[fringe kelp]

freeze is fun but often somewhat underwhelming

they made it so hard to re-freeze after the first one

and the duration is quite short with VERY few ways to increase it

[west wharf]

@fringe kelp my experience playing with freeze on wolf this league was

if i had enough damage to quickly freeze a boss with lunar assault

i would've already killed it just using a wyvern skill

and if i had low damage that made freeze buildup take a long time, i often didn't have the damage to kill the boss during the freeze

[fringe kelp]

yeah, if you can freeze consistently, you can kill faster anyway

to freeze bosses a lot, you have to spend ~10 points on passive tree (or more) getting +200% freeze buildup (or so)

and at that point, you're sacrificing a LOT of potential damage

however, I AM running a ice herald build rn so I unfortunately need a decent amount of freeze buildup for it to work

[west wharf]

i just throw polcirkeln on and call it a day

hopefully if they keep herald chaining in the game they punt polcirkeln out of the game

so that you actually need some freeze buildup investment

[fringe kelp]

wdym herald chaining?

[west wharf]

hoi armour explosion self-chain stuff

[fringe kelp]

so how does that work?

the armour explosion from HOI doesn't count as a herald attack? so it can trigger another HOI explosion?

and where do you get the phys damage from

[west wharf]

correct

there's a few ways

the primary way is just getting a gain as phys% prefix on your weapon from perfect essence of abrasion

since global gained damage won't be converted

that way your HOI can armour break via armour break III + uruk's smelting/armour demolisher

procs armour explosion

your armour explosion either freezes (or if you have polcirkeln, chill is enough) -> shatters and procs HOI again

resulting in a chain that proliferates as long as there are monsters in radius, and you have enough damage for the herald+armour explosion to actually kill the mobs and keep the chain going

most commonly this just uses polcirkeln, since most builds don't really invest in freeze buildup

so it's not particularly consistent to get your armour explosion freezing in ele res/ailment threshold maps

[fringe kelp]

interesting

[west wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNAZBI6cdhg&t=1s

[fringe kelp]

i'm already doing freeze+HOI with huge radius

[west wharf]

you can see an example of HOI chaining in the gameplay clips at the start

[fringe kelp]

maybe I should try a spear with gain phys and see how it goes for me

i already pop entire screens with my skills tho so IDK if its needed

i'm running gemling so I get huge area from that

[hybrid ocean]

You can also use HoT btw

Just worse in a lot of ways

But you can absolutely use both, and get a very very marginal increase in consistency

[west wharf]

@fringe kelp typically skills that have extremely good spread of their own, i.e. galvanic because of its chaining/forking, don't benefit as much from herald chaining

whereas skills with a more mediocre spread stand to benefit a lot from herald chaining, as herald chains can proliferate way beyond the initial coverage range of the skill used

and yeah, there's other options for herald chaining

HOT can be used, though as mentioned it's usually worse and a lot more difficult to get online

rather than gain as phys%, chaos damage can be used via uul netol's to armour break via chaos damage, on setups that have a lot of chaos (chayula)

rite of passage spirit of wolf can be used over phys damage as well, as it applies 10% armour break to all dmg, rather than just phys

[hybrid ocean]

Herald chaining is the wheelchair that enables melee builds

[west wharf]

so true 😔

watch them toss the wheelchair in the dumpster and not give us crutches in return

[hybrid ocean]

Tbf it absolutely does belong there

[west wharf]

it does, melee coverage absolutely should not be balanced around herald chaining

[hybrid ocean]

But yeah crutches would be nice

[west wharf]

though if they dunk on herald chaining and leave coc comet mostly untouched i am going to mald

[hybrid ocean]

Reconstructive surgery would be ideal though, to carry the metaphor a bit further

[hybrid ocean]

I predict that they will once again try and fail

Something will slip through the cracks, something like doedre's giving energy currently

[west wharf]

shockingly that is also my prediction

[hybrid ocean]

Btw, just finished leveling my titan for 0 duration, wondering what to do now

[west wharf]

which build are you going for again

eq?

or hotg

[hybrid ocean]

I haven't decided at all

I was hoping neither

Exploring caltrops and spearfield, regularly searching through the database for something I might've missed

But failing that, probably hotg

[fringe kelp]

yeah probably doesn't make sense for me to try it, given I'm using fast attack speed spears anyway

pretty low damage so not gonna make herald armour explosion pop off easily

[west wharf]

0 dur spearfield is pretty neat

i did wanna try 0 dur caltrops but unsure how i feel about caltrops with the reduced pack density

hard to get it to have great screenclear

[west wharf]

yea

you'd need enough raw dmg for ur hoi+armour explosion to kill packs on their own

for it to proliferate appreciably

on low-mid dmg it doesn't really do anything

[hybrid ocean]

I could also always just do something totally unrelated with a spear

The near-immortality alone is already pretty nice

[west wharf]

yeah

you've got hayoxi-overabundance I in right

[hybrid ocean]

will once my lowball purchase of hayoxi's goes through yeah

[hallow cloak]

anyone know if this is real lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OwC3hjFIzE&t=759s

[west wharf]

ye ofc

it's just endleague stuff

coc comet nonsense on every build

they all look like this

[hallow cloak]

damn i didnt think u could spam it that much

[hallow cloak]

how much divs you think that build would take ?

[west wharf]

i dunno, he's prob got a coupla mirrors in there?

i don't have a good read on caster prices

[hallow cloak]

what build do you run in end game ?

[west wharf]

i just run attack shapeshift stuff

it's not as strong as coc comet setups on high budget, nothing rly is

but i've got very little interest in coc comet

[agile remnant]

I'm playing shaman. Does anyone have any tips for making zealot oath work better for me? my life recovery from regen is 254 when stationary but that seems to get me killed more often than not. Its 165 otherwise. Im trying to focus on nodes that give %health per sec with health regen of course. My lifes pretty low but its so freakin hard to find sources of life.

[late laurel]

Depends on your actual build. If you're Blood Magic (or otherwise high cost conversion), Sacrifice of Blood (Tecrod Undying Hate Jewel) does a LOT of heavy lifting. If you use Pounce or Leap Slam, Holy Descent to span Consecrated Ground is also very helpful. Vitality 2 on one of your auras it also super useful.

Sanguimantic Rituals is also pretty preem for it especially with the Surge on Crit nodes right next to it

On my Oracle I get 1.5k regen per second, oscillating a bit higher or lower, without Consecrated Ground, just SoB, Vit 2, and Sanguimantic Arcane Surge

I'm also not ZO tho I'm EB

Even without SoB or Surge up my Life regen is still upwards of 600/s I believe

[agile remnant]

DOH i just realized i had my auras turned off for the last hour while i was trying to do somthing hard

[late laurel]

Time of Need is also very nice with reduced Duration stuff

[agile remnant]

my life wheen stationarys 327 actually but yea

oh thats a good tip

[late laurel]

It's not technically regen but it does spike your HP back up quickly

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/Brakmek-2387/character/Spiriroracle

[agile remnant]

my main issue is that all the sources of life recovery doesnt do anythign with zealots oath

[late laurel]

If you wanna look at gear etc

Oh I forgot I turned off Sanguimantic

[agile remnant]

i have no idea how you have 1500 life regen geez

[late laurel]

Well I still hit 1.5k easily during maps

[agile remnant]

but yea ive been using a concecration staff as a secondary

[late laurel]

Sacrifice of Blood goes hard

[agile remnant]

gonan look that up

[late laurel]

Got (almost) all my Mana costs converted to Life, so with each cast I'm burning 350 Life, then CoC Spark so each proc of that hits me for I think 250, then for bossing etc I've also got Mana Tempest there burning out my HP for a pretty good chunk every second for even more

SoB gives you a flat 1 Regen per second per 16 Life you spend, which adds up quick

[agile remnant]

oh i dont do life cost spell though shoot

[late laurel]

Yeah then SoB won't do much

You'd need either Blood Magic, conversion on the tree or that one Lineage support for Lifetap

That gives Added Phys

[agile remnant]

would be ncie if my mana stats on my armor were life instead but im poor

man there are so many nice recoup things but they just dont work with zealots, such a shame

[late laurel]

Lemme grab a vid

[agile remnant]

i def just need better gear at least

yea like 3 of my items all have max life on them geezuslike 380 total mana

[late laurel]

Here's Hideout

[agile remnant]

ha! awesome

gah yea idk maybe im shooting myself in the foot using zealots oath

so much "recovery, recovery, recovery" but nothing like that works with it. was looking at defiance of destiny and its recovery

im actually not sure what it means by its main feature though

[west wharf]

if you’re missing hp and something whacks you you get a big chunk of that hp back first

[west wharf]

ZO stinks

for the most part

[agile remnant]

ah ok

[west wharf]

it’s just not easy getting an appreciable amount of regen in this game unless you’re running a build that spends hp just as fast

in which case you’re not really overflowing much regen to your ES

[agile remnant]

is zealots oath new this season? i really wish i could get it to work as easily as other people just running blue health and stuff

[late laurel]

Not new, it's even in PoE1

[agile remnant]

ive got armor and applies to elemental which is great but idk

[late laurel]

It's generally better being converted by Undying Hate or Heroic Tragedy

[west wharf]

gonna be honest I detest the entire hybrid hp/ar/es type setup

if it’s like

a 2k hp 2k es 15k armour build

count me OUT

implicitly one of the worst defensive archetypes in the game imo

[agile remnant]

yea im about getting there with my noob build

really just started this season

the main issue is that my health stacking doesnt mean much if my overshield is gone

so i havent really been stacking it

[west wharf]

how much ar/es/hp are you rocking

I really don’t like spreading between 3 different defensive “typings” personally

you spread yourself so thin, and don’t get a great amount of any of them

which also means you don’t get much out of secondary layers like armor applies to ele

or es recharge, or life regen

they’re all % scalars

[agile remnant]

13k armor, 2345 ES, 1688 HP with about 18k armor applies to elemental

[west wharf]

%s scaling a small base = small results

[agile remnant]

like its working but i got my ass kicked in the 10-15 waves of simulacrum or wtver

last 4 rounds of it

[west wharf]

yea, personally I much prefer stacking fairly high in either life or ES, then padding with whatever armour I can get on low/mid investment

[agile remnant]

once i get my bear moving im fine but idk

yea that seems to be the meta just annoyed that this game seems to shove me in a specific direction

im sure with good enough gear more stuff possible i guess

[late laurel]

I'm absolutely in love with SoB tbh

[west wharf]

you can do split life/ES but recovery is going to be tough if you can’t afford a temple modded soul tether

which is like 80 divs floor price

[agile remnant]

i like that zealots lets me heal constantly so was trying to make that tanky as much as i could

[west wharf]

a big problem with Zo is