2┃build-planning

[uncut bay]

yes

[twin bronze]

Yea

[unreal girder]

Yes

[fleet garden]

Holy. My day is made...

[twin bronze]

I half debated going bear bloodmage.. it looks good on paper..

[fleet garden]

I knew it should work like that, just wasn't sure...

[uncut bay]

what? it does not

[static torrent]

It's PoE, weapon types are never class locked.

[unreal girder]

What exactly does look good about

[uncut bay]

I think the attacking ascendancies are shaman, amazon and tactician, maybe titan

[grizzled nacelle]

sucks that i cant drag image damnit xd

[twin bronze]

Ow shit i meant druid.. My bad i was reading up on bloodmage while typing.

[uncut bay]

yeah shaman looks REALLY strong for attacking builds, with or without rage imo

[twin bronze]

Mulitasking is NOT my strongsuit..

[fiery sky]

any gander as to what that skill will do lol

[bright pine]

hard to say, i mean they'll be viable for sure

[unreal girder]

Shaman looks good for literally any build tbh, its a very good generalist

[minor tree]

i'd be curious to see what happens with align fate when using spells that have requirements (auto spell totem?)

[uncut bay]

actually, shaman looks good even for spell casting, true

[unreal girder]

My plan atm is to go bear shaman and max rage for that run over mobs skill to rampage over the campaign

[harsh sandal]

thanks bud

[worthy tendon]

which build can i play on new seaosn i wanna play ranged but didnt play poe2 much just 1 time on early access
or maybe mercenary if its good

[unreal girder]

Lightning arrow or galvanic shards probably

[uncut bay]

are you saying you want bows or crossbows? amazon is a safe pick, pathfinder too, deadeye if you are not shooting many projectiles at a base level

[worthy tendon]

i really dunno ,

i wanna play bow or crossbow build

[uncut bay]

lightning arrow is just safe, classic

[worthy tendon]

everyone playing l arrow

item prices must be so expensive so might try mercenary

[uncut bay]

nooo, it's only the bow that might be more expensive, and the quiver, other items are shared between many builds

but even those 2 items you can still buy for 1 exalt, 1 divine etc., very solid items

[worthy tendon]

ah so which character should i play for lightning arrow

[unreal girder]

Deadeye

[worthy tendon]

is exalted usefull on poe2?

[uncut bay]

honestly...I would still go with amazon. amazon is incredibly tanky, I love it. and offers solid damage

yes, exalts, chaos, divines are the trading currency

however, deadeye and pathfinder are at least just as good probably

[signal zinc]

what flavor of furry do you guys think will have the least buttons ?

[worthy tendon]

like on poe1 exalted is very bad for trading

[unreal girder]

Witch hunter is very good now too

[fiery sky]

not really, for -most builds- in POE2 you can self craft rares that will suffice to do all non-uber content

[worthy tendon]

ah okay

can you guys tell me 1 char im so confused 🙁

like which one is best for l arrow

[fiery sky]

poison PF

LA Amazon/deadeye/PF

[worthy tendon]

oh pf might be good

[fiery sky]

yah, its slated to be one of the absolute bangers of the league, oneshot everything, move at 150% movement speed

[signal zinc]

there are a lot of good ones for l arrow its a very meta skill even if it got nefed a little there are a lot of ways to play it dpending on if you want a bit faster clear or a bit more dps or if you want to die in 2 hits instead of half a hit

[uncut bay]

this is subjective, only you can decide, just look at the ascendancies and see for yourself. with amazon you have a clear guide, just check out conner poe2 on youtube
the trading currency, in the early acts you buy items with regals, alchemies and blue orbs, then in the endgame you can buy one item with one exalt, later on one item with one chaos, one item with few chaos or one divine etc

[worthy tendon]

hm okay is there path of building 2 or something for poe2?

[signal zinc]

yes

[worthy tendon]

okkay tysm ill check for posion pf then la

[tulip fog]

if you watched the reveal video for the league they showed off what it does, but if you want a tl'dr, it occasionally spawns mirrors near where you walk and if you hit them with a spell they mimick that spell and cast it in a circle around itself once before disappearing

[rancid beacon]

hello all. Has anyone made a list or some sort of other referencing material that tells what items, skills, etc convert damage taken to another damage type, specifically for me chaos damage?

[fiery sky]

oh i completely missed that, iteresting. wonder if it works with totems at all

[signal zinc]

path of building 2 but since the tree will have changes we dont know about its hard to tell

[rancid beacon]

ok. i am a poor build planner but since i have time lol i was thinking about trying to get damage converted to chaos as much as feasible and then get chaos inoculation.

[hybrid ocean]

How occasionally is occasionally? Do we know if its affected by cooldown recovery rate or duration?

[signal zinc]

last league there was an interesting off meta build that did that with the skill thats a flame thrower, but ci isnt very good since es isnt very good right now especially for league start

[fiery sky]

how is ES not very good

that is cursed lol

[signal zinc]

it is good if you have divines out your ass

[unreal girder]

No its good either way lol

[rancid beacon]

i am fairly new to this level of complexity, but i figured id give it a try.

[fiery sky]

thats not even true though, you can self craft your way into 15k ES

[unreal girder]

Look at SSF , ppl will still rock es gear

[fiery sky]

ofcourse, it still is the superior defence, no doubt about it

[clear root]

anybody thinking about pounce plus snipers mark for melee frenzy charge generation?

[signal zinc]

well what do i know im mostly a poe 1 player, i will however be a furry this league i just havent decided whether ill be a wolf a bear or a lizard

[formal geyser]

Volls protector creates power charges on crit (25% chance). The vines hit often, and oracle has a 100% crit hit chance with inevitable crit. So the spell totems self-sustain by casting and critting a lot

[fiery sky]

then the vines are not a proxy, ergo, it counts as yourself hitting?

[signal zinc]

the superior defence is killing everything before it has a chance to hit you

[unreal girder]

We dont know why, but it worked in the video

[formal geyser]

Yep, worked

[fiery sky]

that's not wrong, but in any case you shouldnt say ES is bad to league start that is outright misleading haha

[unreal girder]

Could be a vine specific thing

[signal zinc]

im pretty sure they count as a persistent spell

[signal zinc]

that was my impression when i played it, maybe i just built it wrong

[fiery sky]

fair enough

just self crafted ES rares will net you 5 digit ES numbers

[signal zinc]

to be honest im pretty shit at crafting

[formal geyser]

Harder now without homos

But it should be reasonably straightforward to get 4 decent mode still

And we don't know all the temple crafting options

[rancid beacon]

i saw a lot of recoup life nodes on the passive but nothing that converts X type of damage to chaos

[fiery sky]

me too, but crafting in this game is nothing like poe1, just some basic logic will net you decent items

[signal zinc]

what does sexuality have to do with item crafting

[fiery sky]

look up in the wiki, search chaos damage and see if there is a category for taken as chaos, if not its probably not in this game yet

[rancid beacon]

that is the conclusion I am seeing as well.

[signal zinc]

oh you mean something that converts damage taken as chaos damage i think thats not in the game yet maybe some obscure unique

[near jay]

Ok guys, in the spirit of ES, I've got a question. I'm planning on an ES build for HC using disciple, going all in on ES nodes. What's the best skill that's not dependent on ascendancy for damage?

[formal geyser]

lmao the double entendre is just too entertaining to avoid.

[fiery sky]

that is way too broad of a question imho, also from what ive seen chonk sucks as an ascendancy, you'd be better off playing anything else

in any case you'd be living in the top / top right part of the tree, so either some quarterstaff attack or some form of spell

there are not too many ascendancy-required skills tbh

besides of the asc-specific/granted skills, ofcourse

[formal geyser]

None? A lot of power on skills comes from stacking effects of gems, items, and especially ascendancy points. you could look at the baseline damage of skills and find those that are already high and scale from that.

[near jay]

Eh, the problem is I'm planning to craft my tree as I go. I'll probably live top right, as that's where all ES nodes are. Maybe take CI late game.
I'm going to try to use the chilled ground snap as my AOE, so some good cold skill for bossing/creating chilled ground?

[modest ingot]

at what time does the next league launch?

or how many hours till from now

[fiery sky]

if you're set on playing chonk then you'll most likely be attack-based and not spell-based

[formal geyser]

frost nova got buffed to have quite high base numbers

[near jay]

Ah I see. When you mean bad, do you mean slow, or just low DPS? Cause I don't mind being a slow boi, but if I'm going to just take forever on boss fights, that's bad

[near jay]

Thanks, I'll look at frost nova.

[fiery sky]

it has a lot of clunky mechanics, some of the nodes you can get easily elsewhere like generic life and mana leech, so its not in a very good state ofc its playable if you like the theme but its not very good imho

[hybrid ocean]

4 hours

[modest ingot]

I see

[hybrid ocean]

Well, 3 hours 56 point something minutes

[near jay]

Cause I'm specifically trying to build something for HC. And I want to ensure that I'm never one shot at least...

[fiery sky]

you'd be better off playing a lich then

also you mentioned you wanted to do spells, monks are better suited to do attacks and not spells

[serene minnow]

would this and the nodes before it that have this be a waste with the new stormweaver having 100% of this ? or would these would just have a chance to grant even more past the 100% guaranteed

[near jay]

You're right, but also new ascendancy hype 😭😭
I was ED/C lich last league, so I don't want to really do the same thing

Wait, monk? This is a sorceress ascendancy right?

[fiery sky]

I'm saying that you said you wanted to do disciple of chayula with spells, and that monks in general are better off attacking and not casting spells

so for spells you'd be better off playing a caster ascendancy

and for tankyness lich is one of the best

since you play HC

[near jay]

Oh wait no. Not disciple of chayula. Disciple of Veratha is what I meant. The new ascendancy for sorceress

[formal geyser]

Ahh, yeah. So if you play with infusions, like from cold snap, your frost nova generated chilled ground

[near jay]

The one with the 3 Djinn summons, one of which is a 12s Vaal Discipline, and one node which converts ES to armour

[fiery sky]

thats kind of my bad lol, you didnt specify which disciple, I forgot the name of the new ascendancy

[near jay]

Yeah, it's my bad as well. Didn't specify.

[fiery sky]

new class looks dope for ailments like freezing and chill

it seems an all around good ascendancy with potential to be busted

[near jay]

Yep. I just haven't played cold skills in PoE 2 before, and I wanted to know which would be good.

[dense pumice]

have anyone planned how to exactly level a sorc with a focus on minions?

[fiery sky]

probably ghazzytv has something for you both. hes playing varashta minions

[bright raptor]

cant decide between titan bonk slams or poison PF for league start
PF seems like the better build, I like both DoT and zoomy builds builds in general and this is both but gear might end up expensive due to everyone and their mom playing it
titan slams seems very fun with screenwide green spike explosions and I havent played melee in poe2 yet at all but idk if it will hold up later and it's not really zoomy at all
not interested in any of the transformation stuff based on the stuff we've seen so far and I like going with something that's tried and true for leaguestarts, and maybe check out the new sorc ascendancy for some cold spell build later
what do y'all think

[dense pumice]

his latest vid just slams blindly on the varashta build

does he change his mind or something?

[near jay]

I'm personally just gonna go with spells, ignoring minons completely.
If I wanted minions, I'd start ED/C till A1, then pivot into Archers w/ Flame Wall as soon as possible till 1st ascendency.
Assuming fire Djinn, then focus on fire spells

[dense pumice]

why can't I immediately start with archers flame wall?

[near jay]

The class isn't really "minion" minons, if you understand what I mean. It's not very supportive of permanent minions

Eh, you can. They just need some levels to get 3-4 of them to feel smooth

[dense pumice]

I understand, for me as long as they deal good damage, that's more than enough

since you need to only stack minion damage for them to shine through

[near jay]

You'd start with them immediately of course, but supplement with chaos damage till it falls off

[dense pumice]

ok I'll try ed/c then, thanks

I mean, c/spark maybe

as spark is free

[uneven elbow]

My brain is melting because I can’t figure out what direction I want to take

[static plinth]

It kind of is, since scaling minions scales the Djinn

[near jay]

That's fair. I'm not sure which nodes to take when though, I haven't done much minions in PoE 2. I've only played ED/C, and the monk/bell build

[static plinth]

If you scale spells you have to scale the Djinn on weapon set 2 or such

[dense pumice]

tbf tho all the non-djinn nodes are really good for a spellcaster tank

[static plinth]

Personally i think theyre a good way to add more agency to a minion build

[dense pumice]

only the djinns are minion damage based

[static plinth]

The armour one sucks ass and personally i think the MoM one js mid as hell

The other two are insane though

[dense pumice]

ya this

[near jay]

But that's the thing. You want to scale minion damage, and spell cast speed right? Your spell doesn't need to deal damage, but your Djinns hit depending on how often you cast spells

The fire Djinn at least

[dense pumice]

4 sec is long af

and cd is also long af

[near jay]

Ah I see. So you're saying it's better to have supplementary minions along with the Djinns?

[dense pumice]

it's extremely good to have actual minions alongside the djinns

spectres and such

because you scale them both with the same gear and stuff

and the djinns cost 0 spirit

which are insane

[lunar scroll]

Anyone got some recommendations on fun/good tactician builds for 0.4?

[near jay]

Ah fair.

[iron harbor]

I mean they cost 2 ascendancy points each, right

[unreal girder]

Mortar cannons

[lunar scroll]

Will take a look!

[near jay]

You would want to focus on 1 though. Like I don't see why you would get water Djinn on a non-spellcaster.

At least, that's how I am thinking about it

[iron harbor]

yeah the water one is utility indeed, probably not for pure minion build

its jsut that someone said it was insane they cost 0 spirit, but like, they cost a lot in ascwndancy points already

[near jay]

Yep. Their cost is their ascendancy points.

[iron harbor]

how do people generate infusons? I am thinking about apocalypse firestorm shaman... I was thinking cast on ailment snap?

[static plinth]

Only a single Djinn does and im pretty sure he's limited in hownoften he can do it

[sweet wadi]

What's the best ascendancy for Wyvern form? Shaman?

[static plinth]

Deadeye or Tactician seem good

[gleaming pollen]

there is big node to randomize infusions but 0.4 update will change it, normally it would randomize the generated infusions from explodedl ball of lightning or orb of storms, stormweaver will have ascendancy to randomize infusions tho

[sweet wadi]

Can you elaborate? I'm tryingg to gauge why they are better over Shaman

[iron harbor]

yeah elemental equilibrium is dead for shaman, and stormweaver kinda doesnt help :D

so I was thinking snap is the only thing that can actually generate all infusions?

[outer badge]

Hey guys i need a smol advice i was thinking about going wolf involker and focus over crit and cold damage
how much value this idea still holds

[stuck pumice]

Quick question does onslaught work with shield skills like shield wall?

[gleaming pollen]

yup but snap is slow and monsters have to be under elemental ailment

[iron harbor]

applying ailments wont be an issue I think... how does cast on ailment work with cooldown skills? it cannot be triggered while on cooldown I guess?

[gleaming pollen]

yup, the autocast will execute but wont trigger the skill on cd

[iron harbor]

so it would need a lot of cdr to trigger often... hmm, will see how janky it is... how odes snap work when there are more ailments, does it proc all and give all infusions? does it randomly choose one? does it have a preference?

[azure lodge]

Do we know if talismans count as martial weapons?

Or are they casting

[iron harbor]

they are martial weapons for sure

[gleaming pollen]

you mean snap on autocast/autotrigger?

[iron harbor]

yeah, but also in general, its supposed to consume ailment and get an infusion, but.. how exactly :D

[gleaming pollen]

ailment consumed = type of infusion

but i dont remember if it worked good on autocast, didnt use it for once so there was a reason for sure

[iron harbor]

guess I will have to try, panic and pivot :D thanks!

[young heart]

If I understand this, this should work right? Icestorm consumed the initial chill from heart of ice but chill is reapplied due to enemies being in presence and then gain dmg as extra fire should still work?

[iron harbor]

I think so, yeah

[sharp glade]

why is everything so boring in this game, where are the exciting build options

[cedar aspen]

Shaman seems decent choice for all 3 forms tbh. Wyvern would do well with shaman, maybe infernalist too.

[cedar aspen]

It’s not even been released yet I’m sure creativity will burst out of the woodwork within a week or two, maybe even less.

[sharp glade]

everything cool is either bugged, too weak, or boring

[carmine flicker]

nah, smth broken will be found for sure. then nerfed next league

it's endless cycle

[sharp glade]

half the game is broken

[unreal girder]

I wonder if Thunderstorm with CoC plants might actually be better than totems

Oracle can go CoC after act 3 pmuch if you have 100 spirit

[wide crest]

do you guys think bloodmage will still be viable? I only have time to grind 1 build these days

[unreal girder]

Ofc lol

It went from broken to very good

[wide crest]

sounds good to me xd cheers

I’ll probably still use lich dot build in that case for speed leveling hopefully something else is more op and the gear for bloodmage won’t shoot up super early

[hushed zenith]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/abyss?skills=Cast+on+Critical&class=Blood+Mage what are these people casting with cast on crit? i can't see any active skill linked

[wide crest]

maybe comet for coc

[rancid beacon]

yup!

[hushed zenith]

but why doesn't it shows even if i open pob?

[sharp apex]

not checked patchnotes, can i still delete maps with LA deadeye?

[valid valve]

Is jungroans build actually bait?

[neon hinge]

Hi. Are there any numbers for how much increased damage and increased energy shield I should aim for from passive tree as a caster? I am not focussing on Crit but only the occasional crits to proc their crit recently effects.

[wide crest]

not sure to be honest i dont use that site

[kindred kayak]

Ok so I am thinking of something kinda interesting

Phys wand + phys focus

a hammer + shield

On the wand bar would be:
entangle
thrashing vines
Bonestorm

On the shield bar would be:
leap slam/pounce
Shield charge

Spirit on chest+amulet

Auras would be:
herald of ash
Barkskin
Blashemy (vulnerability)
CoC Detonate Dead

It would be an amour energy shield build, as thats what bark skin leans into

[static plinth]

Wyvern's skills are mostly projectiles, those are the good projectile ascendancies

[kindred kayak]

Any other opinions on what to add or alter

Wyvern skills will struggle in poe, as it prioritizes rolling magma which is a meme skill

[unreal girder]

Whats the name of the plant spell that you need to water

[kindred kayak]

Technically none as there is nodes that cause plants to auto-overgrow

[unreal girder]

Kekw

[kindred kayak]

Ikr

[uncut bay]

how do you guys feel about these passives for a spell caster? witch side of the tree

it looks like 55 attributes, 7% movement speed, 60% ES, around 110% damage for 18 skill points

I think 110% damage is fine for 7 skill points, then 7% movement is fine fine for maybe 5 skill points? 18-7-5=6 skill points left

is 55 attributes and 60% ES worth 6 skill points?

[round escarp]

Is it just me or does tornado invoker look pretty good

[unreal girder]

Why invoker?

[round escarp]

I thought tornado was hit dmg

It's dot dmg

[unreal girder]

No

Yep

[round escarp]

My dream ruined lol

[frail crag]

Noshit it is

[round escarp]

Was for easy ground generation. If it was hit based

But it won't work rio

Rip*

[uncut bay]

invoker still sounds weird for spells

[frail crag]

Yours truly last leagues top hc 420 will try monk of chayula spear of solaris tornado type shit this league

[round escarp]

Nah elemental spells invoker works really well with.

[frail crag]

I hope to god spear of solaris will turn purple

For the funnies

[round escarp]

You can ignore res. Free spirit. Meditation and unbound for big ele dmg

[frail crag]

Unbound most bait shit ever

[honest ether]

theres still no download for steam?

[uncut bay]

hm okay this sounds solid

[frail crag]

I have 400h as invoker it's horrid

[round escarp]

But tornado does dot dmg so can't actually gain DMG on the hits

So you can't get free ground effects

[uncut bay]

ehm...I am also an invoker player and unbound was great against bosses

[frail crag]

It's good for mapping but like who struggles on mapping as invoker

You can't stack it anymore on bosses

[uncut bay]

a boss fight usually takes as much as the unbound lasts anyway

[frail crag]

Viably atleast

[round escarp]

Going back to spell totems oracle

[frail crag]

Rather take that 10% extra

[near musk]

I can’t decide whether to go smith of kitava bear or shaman bear, which one you pick if you go bear

[frail crag]

Kitava probably

Shaman will be decided on release

Cuz idk the new nodes rn

[uncut bay]

ofc shaman is really strong

[near musk]

I’m thinking shaman really helps for clear speed due to rampage , but kitava is great for glory and fire damage as well

[frail crag]

But like spear of solaris gets stacks from shock ignite freeze and I go full on chaos damage that starts contributing to shock freeze ignite which will refill my spear of solaris and then I just perma spam explosive spear

[cedar aspen]

Can’t wait

[frail crag]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-lol-smiley-face-funny-text-gif-15779834

[fiery sky]

does anyone agree that it doesnt say its a 1 time thing? like if you cast your spell 1000 times before the 9 second mark, every single of one of the casts will be buffed granted they are the aligned spell

[cedar aspen]

This monk side of the tree no? Lucky for monk you’re able to get to the witch side of the tree with ease and scale into spell damage if that’s what you’re after. Plenty of elemental damage nodes there too.

[uncut bay]

this is the starting side of the tree of witch

if you are starting as sorceress or witch is it worth it to go to the monk side?

[cedar aspen]

I’m 90% certain that’s monk

[uncut bay]

😬

[cedar aspen]

Well fuck me you didn’t show me the whole picture there!

Hahaha

[sharp glade]

this is poe 2 sir, when in doubt its always the worse version

also it says "your next cast" only so

[cedar aspen]

I mean you had that cropped so much it looked like you started at the monk side

[uncut bay]

ye

[cedar aspen]

Are you going ev/es? if you have the points to spend you could look into the nodes that boost es based on ev or vice versa

[uncut bay]

no, just ES

[cedar aspen]

Oh. I feel like there might be better ES nodes where you are without having to dip into monk side no?

[uncut bay]

@cedar aspen

[crimson garden]

Are we just not getting an updated PoB until after launch?

[fiery sky]

well its kind of ambiguous tbh, but agreed it'd need testing for sure

[fiery sky]

ofc not, PoB is purely voluntary community work, even when GGG liberates some assets to them beforehand, its way too much to have in time for launch

[cedar aspen]

I think you could spend the other 6 somewhere else I’m sure. Just feels like a lot of points for evasion nodes too you’re not really going to use right?

[round escarp]

Pob updates take a while

A lot of work to do

[kindred kayak]

“…visages of yourself from alternate timelines will ocasionally appear and cast one of your spells from your first valid weapon set. Until the visage disappears your NEXT cast of the spl aligns your fate …”

It says next spell

Meaning one

[fiery sky]

I'd not be so sure, it could be understood as, "the next SPELL NAME" you cast is empowered until visage changes to another spell

usually 1-time things explicitly say you get some form of charge or buff and it consumes it if it's a one-time thing

[slender furnace]

No

[dreamy mulch]

I notice on the djinn ascendency, fire one is MORE damage per skill used recently(no cap to this)

So I am thinking if a skill with very high attack/cast speed that inflicts a debuff would be broken with it

[slender furnace]

Seems plausible. First thing I thought of too.

[dreamy mulch]

It is just begging for a 40 attacks in 4 seconds into one shot boss setup

[slender furnace]

I mean is 10 aps possible in this game? I doubt it

But I could be wrong

[dreamy mulch]

I think that probably getting it to at least +100% is needed

(10 attacks)

also you would probably want cast time, because most of the skills you use are his actives which are cast time(1 second+1 second+2.3 seconds)

[clever salmon]

Does it mean, you can scale both with dual wield nodes and 2h?

[dreamy mulch]

Don't know, what is the interaction with dual wield nodes/2h nodes and the OTHER node that lets you duo wield 2 handers

may be able to check via path of building

[clever salmon]

thanks, totally forgot about it

[mint belfry]

I need help figuring out how to play Druid bear without getting discouraged and dying nonstop. suggestions?

[static plinth]

No, dual-wielding requires two martial weapons

Sceptres arent martials

[dreamy mulch]

leech, lots of armor, big slams?

[static plinth]

And i presume it doesnt scale with one-handed nodes unless those nodes are phrased as "weapon wielded in one hand" rather than "with a one-handed melee weapon"

[dreamy mulch]

follow the same method that warriors would I say, maybe with a little energy shield as you are int str

[mint belfry]

if i hate warrior class will i also hate druid?

[serene shore]

Do you hate witch/sorcerer

[mint belfry]

nah i like sorc the most. never played witch

[serene shore]

Then maybe

[fresh dew]

Guys,my friend will create sorcerer,do you have any experience about nice duel class for the sorcerer?

[gaunt ether]

they dont looks too similar aside from bear

[dreamy mulch]

What kind of sorcerer?

[fresh dew]

Stormweaver

[dreamy mulch]

Then you probably want to be the defencive wall, so maybe warrior or druid

You definetly do not want to be a shock class

[fresh dew]

Okay ty

[dreamy mulch]

Also you could pick minions

as minion builds usually use sceptres, giving themselves auras

[fresh dew]

First Im thinking about invoke monk

[dreamy mulch]

Probably best to have one that focuses more on single target, as your friend will have clear down

I know little about invoke monk

[honest ether]

would poe2db have the new skill tree

since the steam update is out

[timber breach]

I have a question. It seems like everybody is talking of those "twister" builds. Will it be that good? Can you anyhow use the Druid class for such a twister build?

[dreamy mulch]

after a while, it takes time for them to update it

[honest ether]

u think itd be up like 30m before league start or probably not

[honest ether]

should be able to, twisters used with spear

and druid seems good with the apocalypse shaman

[storm steppe]

so the new djinn ascendancy can you use supports on the minions and that will change their abilities?

[forest laurel]

OMG new sorcereress ascendancy looks amazing

[dreamy mulch]

probably for poe2db

[honest ether]

the abilities will only be changed by the ascendancy i believe

so u can likely socket gems into them

but the abilities will be customizable only via ascendancy

[storm steppe]

so you get the abilities via ascendancy but you can use supports on them

[timber breach]

If it's able and work well, i think i might try out that new druid class. usually i run with two classes: the strongest for that season (collector, progression) and the new "season-supported" one

[storm steppe]

i assume you scale it via minion nodes

[honest ether]

well the strongest ascendancy this league is probably pathfinder

[burnt gust]

Are you experienced in Galvanic? I wonder if there are enough nodes to justify the 100 weap points node in WH.

[honest ether]

the new skill tree just came out, so until it is published online, i cannot give a straight answer. however galvanic shards has always been viable since 0.1

and they buffed it so it takes less to get more mileage out of it

i think it will be an ok clearing skill

[timber breach]

again? Oh ok. Well, as said i plan to use two classes. Druid and Pathfinder then i guess.

[honest ether]

and lightning crossbow is good regardless of galvanic shards viability

[honest ether]

pathfinder isnt usually top tier, but this league made it an all rounder

deadeye has usually been the best ascendancy

[forest laurel]

Is the druid out yet? Or in two hours?

[honest ether]

about an hour and a half

the download is out now so

[burnt gust]

my question was bc I wonder if WH is worth it or if a ranger asc is superior. Kinda dislike ES tho and WH would be full EV with SorcWard

[honest ether]

i think witchhunter is pretty good this league but you can ask in #1323952474817560648

i havent used it since 0.2

[dreamy mulch]

Is it possible to currupt ascendency skills?

[storm steppe]

will this be a socketable skill?

so i can add supports to it

wait they require lvl 90 wtf

[dreamy mulch]

That is when you are max level, the ascendency skills level with you

Also all ascendency skills are socketable

[storm steppe]

im confused max level?

[dreamy mulch]

well, not max level, but level 90, that is what level the character has to be to get skill level 20 of that skill

[storm steppe]

i see so if i spec into this i can both scale the minion with its own supports and its spells with its own supports?

it has no effect from quality so i assume you cant

[tropic river]

What are people's thoughts on the node on the new sorc ascendancy that makes some damage be taken from mana before life?

[median beacon]

Does anyone know if, for the Disciple of Varashta ascendancy, I could assign Djinns to a weapon set with minion passives, and then have another passive tree with spell nodes in order to play with the Djinns's damage as well as my own? Or are minions/skills from ascendancies always active in both weapon sets no matter what?

[dreamy mulch]

then it probably isn't socketable

[dreamy mulch]

ascendencies are active in both weapon slots, if they weren't then weapon master could not exist as an ascendency node on mercenary

(weapon master makes all your passive skills weapon slot points)

[storm steppe]

is there only cloak of flame for phys to ele convert in poe2?

[graceful wraith]

I thought there was one for lightning?

[dreamy mulch]

lots of phys to ele conversion methods, though mostly "as extra damage"

[graceful wraith]

they're theory-crafting shaman adaptations

almost certainly

[graceful wraith]

If you meant "converting damage taken into elemental damage", there's also Lightning Coil

[dreamy mulch]

A lot of weapon skills convert to an element by default

[median beacon]

I think either you misunderstood me or I'm misunderstanding you ^^' I wasn't asking if I could swap ascendancy nodes between my two weapon sets, I would have the Djinn nodes in both weapon sets.
My question was whether I could assign the Djinn skills, the minions themselves, to weapon set tree 1 with minion damage nodes, and then have another weapon set tree with spell damage, the goal being to have the Djinns deal good damage themselves while also dealing good damage myself

But while writing this, I realized that would probably be OP, wouldn't it

[dreamy mulch]

The skills have the same socketed gems regardless of if they are weapon slot 1 or 2. You could disable them in weapon slot 1/2, but not make them work differently based on the weapon(unless the weapon itself or the skill tree changes it)

You could make the command skills trigger using only slot 1 or slot 2 if it helps, that is often done for things such as curse setups

[burnt gust]

thanks, didnt know!

[mint belfry]

omfg...

[median beacon]

Ooh, that's very good idea actually!

Thanks! :D

Though I'm still unsure whether that's going to be feasible for skills that come from ascendancies... I guess I'll find out tonight lol

[stark kettle]

This feels like it could be something. I was originally thinking for Wyvern fire breath, but you can't gain rage while using it. So maybe infinite Rampage with Herald of Ash for ignite?

Full rage on ignite has possibilities I think

[dreamy mulch]

Even if they are damage skills, you would put them on your damage weapon set, and something else on your utility

[dreamy mulch]

Is there a way to lose the ability to ignite enemies?
Or to make your ingites become something else?

[median beacon]

The thing is that they scale with minion damage, not the player's damage. Which is why I'm trying to find a way to make a skill tree with minion damage for them, and one with spell damage for me

[median beacon]

There's ele focus

But I think the point Punkroc was making is that igniting allows you to chain proc your charm to give you rage

[wraith palm]

Osin

[dreamy mulch]

That charm only occurs ON A HIT, the 100 fire is not a hit

[wraith palm]

The gloves that convert fire to cold damage too

[kindred kayak]

Is passive skill tree up yet?

[maiden smelt]

who's playing tornado shaman and what are you playing up til tornado?

[main latch]

Good league starter with zooming and less popular than LA deadeye? Which is also cheap

[kindred kayak]

Aka werewolf with entnsgle w/upheval and pin

[dreamy mulch]

I cannot talk about being cheap, but less popular is usually cheaper if it does not require uniques

[tender oasis]

oh tree is out

[kindred kayak]

Yooo where

[tender oasis]

poeninja

[main latch]

Well I am looking for something that can be built with couple divs and rares. And can clear all content, and zooming on maps so I farm up my currency to something else.

[dreamy mulch]

It is hard to think of one that meets those conditions that isn't popular already.

the zoom on maps is a very hard condition to meet

[tender oasis]

oh uh thast alot of daamge

[celest blaze]

anyone know if Iron Reflexes will cause Shield Wall to treat the Armor / Eva shield as pure armor for the purposes of damage calc?

I tried testing it yesterday but the in-game sheet doesn't update properly for shields

[stark kettle]

According to the wiki it is a hit and I tested it and it worked for me using a regular fire skill

[tender oasis]

theres a cool bow node on the lft side

[stark kettle]

Yeah that combo 100% works to generate rage

[marsh oyster]

Taking damage from items is a hit depending on wording, removal of life or es is not a hit

[old ermine]

What class is everyone running for wolf?

[honest ether]

whats the link to the tree?

[honest ether]

personally just shaman druid

unless oracle extra passives are good for wolf

[old ermine]

I was thinking oracle for the crit node

[tender oasis]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-tree/

[burnt gust]

anyone knowing already if ES in tree was nerfed for dex classes?

[wraith palm]

Things that aren’t spells or attacks are cheap af

Plague bearer as one example

[celest blaze]

scold's bridle would cause you to take hits as you spent mana for sklls also.

[honest ether]

the path not taken is not in poe ninja right

[tender oasis]

so the sorc ascendency has es buffs

🤣

[celest blaze]

jesus lol

oh, just increased, not "more". that's fine

[tender oasis]

an aoe

and casts peed

on the small nodes lol

[slender finch]

Which ascendency for gas/explosion grenade?

[main latch]

is it a zoomer?

[celest oxide]

Who are you guys following for Bear starteR?

[tender oasis]

i just annoint this

[wraith palm]

I zoomed with it. More of a maps build but yeah. I was one shotting bosses for like 100ex total at absolute budget

[stark kettle]

Needs to be fire damage. Scold's is phys

[main latch]

do you have a good build link?

[wraith palm]

Not with the new tree stuff no, and some of the companion tech changes

[celest blaze]

not if you're a Shaman with the final Elemental Adaptation node, or if you're using Cloak of Flame (which is awesome and was buffed)

[main latch]

thats fine I can adapt based on existing one

[honest ether]

is this an oracle exclusive cluster in the skill tree for the wolf?

or is this a regular cluster

[verbal summit]

is there any way to see the tree that isnt poeninja? cant tell what nodes are ascendancy enabled only

[honest ether]

thats what im saying

[wraith palm]

https://youtu.be/3t6J8A2_vHk?si=3q4ibMnXvY9nhsR1

I didn’t have the omega ms boost boots before this video haha

[maiden pivot]

guys which ascendy for wyvern build

any variants?

[main latch]

thanks I will check this, actually seems interesting

[dreamy mulch]

where did you see this?

[wraith palm]

Np. The companion damage thing (idk of the extents of the changes) can be mitigated by overall damage stuff on the tree, and wither is on jewels

Passed that I haven’t put much thought into it hehe

[tender oasis]

darn new tree mad eem wast 3 more points on my sprc pathing

[dreamy mulch]

Where do I get the new passive tree? I can only find the old one on poe2db

[wraith palm]

But yeah other dps skills that aren’t attacks or spells are cheap as f cause you don’t need omega weapons, gloves, rings, etc

[dusty kiln]

anyone got some uptodate-ish and easy to follow leveling guides for warrior? gonna try it for the first time this league

[timber breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRk0gXKm1A
Monk seems to be a good choice too it seems

[formal geyser]

Titan slams does seem tempting

[honest ether]

poe ninja

https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-tree/

[honest ether]

slam is pretty dang strong

played it end of last league

[stone willow]

Palsteron said in his Video That "Whirling Assault" is not effected by Attack Speed - is it effected by Skill Speed?

[honest ether]

wasn't very expensive and cleared perfectly fine

[stone willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dDoXytFFuM

[honest ether]

not sure

[wraith palm]

No it’s has a fixed attack time

[stone willow]

I see, so going Amazone wont do much here

[wraith palm]

Yeah not for any of those fixed time skill. Whirling assault, gathering storm, perfect strike, etc. the skill speed thing won’t help

[spare rampart]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-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?search=rage

can someone tell me if it gonna work

or i need more defenses

[stark kettle]

Couldn't use Cloak of Flame, need the other chest for charms not using charges. Ascendency is ok, but I wasn't planning on pathing that way initially, so idk if I want to swap points around

[stark kettle]

Would this work you think?

[celest blaze]

Should. Just need to make sure the hit is high enough not to be reduced to less than 1.

[celest blaze]

Okee doke, makes sense, only half following this channel

[feral lintel]

Anyone know if the ignite changes effects the sumoner/companion ignite builds?

[formal geyser]

I think there's a build around choir of the storm and oracle inevitable critical

add in trampletoe and you could delete packs with just lightning bolt

[placid night]

anyone else struggling to pick between bear or djinn builds?

[tender oasis]

ngl go bear for a safe pick

[placid night]

the djinns look bomb af

[fleet blaze]

sorry to ask again don't really have time to f5 spam and stuff atm. has anyone seen a good stormweaver fire league starter pop up?

[tender oasis]

im throwing in with djinn cause i can

[placid night]

but im a melee player

[honest ether]

what is the name of the passive that makes you take dmg from mana?

[odd turtle]

Does Spell Area Damage also get converted by Crown of Eyes ?

[maiden pivot]

we should have each Churches for Wyvern, Werewolf, and Bear

[wraith palm]

No, just “spell damage”

[plucky fern]

What do you guys think the best build is for speed farming trial of sekhemas?

[vivid dagger]

is hexblast doable now???

[hasty vault]

Did you find an answer for this?

[honest ether]

nope

[hasty vault]

Gotchu, just the connecting node and the heart

[mint shadow]

for Bear form is Oracle or Shaman? because i saw shaman has that rage point but seems that's all it has

[zinc linden]

Shaman all the way if you use Rage (and you should!

[formal geyser]

Choir of the Storm's Lightning Bolt skill now has 5 Cooldown uses (previously 1).

Waht does this text mean? That it fires 5 times before the CD triggers?

[hollow cave]

The church of furry vs the church of scalie

[maiden pivot]

[naive violet]

Hello! What you think about druid shaman on vaal guard?

[steep nacelle]

I'm playing snake!

[naive violet]

need a opinion

[steep nacelle]

It's very good. You can add your rage as minion damage.

[median kraken]

Even more specific. Just "increased" and "reduced" spell damage

[wraith palm]

Yeah

[naive violet]

Rage scaling are working to minion damage?
Lol
VAAL GUARD GOING BRRRR

[median kraken]

I'm convinced people are underestimating the downside of all skills costing rage but it's possible I'm overestimating it

[steep nacelle]

Summoners only need to refresh once in a while.

[quartz pewter]

Important question for builds... what's a good funny Druid name?

[wraith palm]

Fido

[median kraken]

I could see it being less of an issue for builds that are less spammy, sure

[naive violet]

How to grant Rage to minions

[steep nacelle]

Notable next to druid start.

[vestal heart]

if I go infernalist demon form will the Druid spells scale over time as I stay in form

[naive violet]

in ascendancy?

[celest blaze]

Jesus, the Druid area is juicy. I want like 100 more passive points.

[naive violet]

where

where i can grant rage to minions...

[celest blaze]

very interesting question lol

[tender oasis]

does it have shapeshifting tag

[frigid dirge]

Is it possible to run a magma barrier infernalist?

[vestal heart]

it does have the tag pretty sure

[naive violet]

sorry but which notable you mean

ah i see

commanding of rage

[vestal heart]

Are you being sarcastic

[tender oasis]

bear op

[steep nacelle]

Yeah, was fighting the miller. You can get a lot of rage, too, with different bonuses. Sadly the doubling keystone will probably remove the minion bonus as well.

[slender furnace]

Only good for self hit kitava stuff imo. I hate conditional defense

[thin basin]

soemthing something mana build already

[gloomy hearth]

spark is stormweaver or bloodmage?

[static plinth]

Anyone in yet and can tell me what Scarred Faith is?

Its a keyatone near druid start

Or its a hallucinated node on poe.ninja

[wraith palm]

lol im torn between 3 ideas. what seems more fun, doube mirage deadeye, void illusion bomb acolyte, or culling strike shenanigans with new killing palm?

[azure wyvern]

can this crit?

[static plinth]

Oh its Divine Shield, sick

No recharge AND no regen is kinda nasty though

Ig you can leech

[harsh sandal]

does frost wolf use rage?

[celest blaze]

no. I'm certain that the "shapeshifting" tag doesn't apply to Demon Form, but it feels like it probably should, which I found interesting.

[summer pasture]

Yes for lunar blessing

You spend rage with lunar blessing to increase the duration

[azure wyvern]

this was change it seems
so minions can have only 30 rage?

[tidal birch]

I died D:

[summer pasture]

Yes unless there are ways to increase their max

[azure wyvern]

that sucks

[summer pasture]

I mean that's still 30% more attack damage for them that's not bad

[vapid pelican]

Hello is it possible to have a leveling guide with SWORD...In maxroll I only see hammers and also in game it says COMING SOON.
Moreover I heard that Asccendency is more importtant than class itself...but HOW can I choose the right one (Eg for Warriors) knowing anyting? eg warbringer vs Titan? ty

[median kraken]

Swords aren't in the game yet

So no, it is not possible to have a sword leveling guide

[vapid pelican]

ok ty

[gloomy rain]

I have no idea if this is even decent but it looks like a lot of fun

[median kraken]

As for choosing an Ascendancy, it depends on what your build is. If you pick one with nodes that make sense for your build it'll probably work, if you want to be optimal that generally requires a lot of game knowledge or a guide

[shadow blade]

lol not bad for my first item

[vapid pelican]

I just to follow the Maxroll fuide in the 1st playt. and enjoy the game...so how can I choose the ascendency guide?

[outer elbow]

You choose what looks fun to you

[azure wyvern]

spell totem with incinerate doesn't follow enemy
when it start blasting it doesn't aim

[vapid pelican]

Yes, but how can I knoiw the difference from the guide...they look pretty similar...

[craggy hazel]

Hey all is there no builds out for druid yet

?

[dire rivet]

looking foor the same and a druid loot filter ;P

[warped jetty]

raise your hand if you are just playing to be a furry

[gloomy rain]

Whaat exactly is the difference between blocking with vs without a shield? Just that the shield gives you the option to actively raise shield to get 100% block temporarily?

[halcyon solar]

Do the Staff's stats apply at all when using shape shifted skills?

[median kraken]

There wasn't enough info for anyone to really make build guides before the league launched and people are just playing now that the league is out

[naive violet]

How was Werewolf are good for minions?

[median kraken]

I believe it does with Infernalist demon form. The new shapeshifting skills all require a Talisman so you can't use them with a staff

[craggy hazel]

Yeah I was just reading about that. Damn rough gig. Ill have a crack at making my own then haha

[median kraken]

You can watch what streamers are doing but they're still doing a lot of improvising

[median kraken]

Are you playing a specific build but not sure what ascendancy to pick, or looking at different guides not sure which one to use?

[craggy hazel]

Yeah im just doing that now and seems to be a learn as you go build. What are playing this league ?

[median kraken]

I haven't started yet, but I'll probably make a druid and wing it

[craggy hazel]

Yeah fair fair, I just got home from night shift so going to slap a couple of hours then sleep and no life it tomorrow once im on days off haha

[vapid pelican]

Sorry just started the game, first time, still do not know what an ascendency is...😂 And following one of the warrior leveling maxroll guide I'm asked to chose between Titan or Harb or Shield and do not what they really are

[round escarp]

What level was spell totem?

[craggy hazel]

What does the guid say to choose ?

control F on the page and type in both of those names and should come up with what one to choose

[azure wyvern]

12lvl
comet is working fine
I think channeling spells are broken

[round escarp]

Bone storm might wor

Incinerate is weird likely with the fuel thing

But the fact it works is wild

[craggy hazel]

But basically they ar ebig DPS and defense boosts with warrior if I rem correctly with warrior

[azure wyvern]

I haven't played spell caster before or minion build
can you generate corpses like by making some minion that turns to corpse after dying?

[median kraken]

Ascendancy is basically a subclass. The earliest you can get it is around half way through act 2

[azure wyvern]

I tested skeletons and they don't leave a corpse

[vapid pelican]

So what of the 3 do you advice?

[summer pasture]

What guide are you following

[azure wyvern]

does this work with Profance Ritual?

[summer pasture]

If it requires a corpse

[median kraken]

Depends on what build you're playing

[oak relic]

is poison burst pathfinder gonna be good?

[tranquil steeple]

are the entangle fissures like normal fissures? That can be slammed?

[halcyon solar]

Is there a way to "lock" items on the merchants, so they won't change when you level up?

[summer pasture]

No

[vapid pelican]

I Don't know...I just know worrior

[median kraken]

What skills are you using? Are you following a guide?

[vapid pelican]

Yes Maxroll warrior

[median kraken]

Are you even at the point where you're choosing an ascendancy yet? You don't need to decide until part way through act 2

Or even later if you want

[vapid pelican]

No no just started

[median kraken]

Then I wouldn't worry about it yet

[vapid pelican]

Yes..but I can se that passive or skill will change in while... based on the subclass I choose

[frozen knot]

you can respec your ascendancy easily

[summer pasture]

The tree won't change, you get a smaller tree separated from the normal tree

[forest vector]

Anyone playing wolfs minion and can tell me how to deal dmg?

[tribal compass]

What the go to for leveling on huntress?

[wraith palm]

yes

[tranquil steeple]

I cant decide between warrior bear or druid bear/druid gardener

[zinc sparrow]

what would better for caster druid shaman or oracle?

[summer pasture]

Elemental spells?

[midnight wraith]

do we already have anything on the paths not taken acendancy node?

[vapid pelican]

Ok AI says: the Titan is generally considered stronger and more versatile due to easy damage scaling and powerful stun mechanics, while the Warbringer offers a specific, more complex playstyle centered on totems, warcries, and armor-breaking.

So maybe I should go for Titan being my first time

[summer pasture]

Can't really tell you, depends on your build

Also if your not at that point don't worry about it

[raven cairn]

so are we just SOL and waiting for a POB update since ninja is no good?

[zinc sparrow]

yeah thats what im tihnking

[summer pasture]

The go shaman imo, rage stuff for spells and exposure for free

[azure wyvern]

does anyone know what the difference between Effect and Magnitude is?

[halcyon solar]

what's Druid's defenses? Armor and ...? Evasion?

[static plinth]

Armour and Energy Shield

They're the first STR/INT class

[static plinth]

No difference afaik, just inconsistent wording

[halcyon solar]

so the worst and the best 😄

[static plinth]

i mean the defences are like a 5 a 6 and an 8 nowadays

And AR+ES specifically got some great buffs this season in stuff like Barkskin

[raven cairn]

any up to date build planners that aren't ninja? since POB is still behind?

[summer pasture]

armor applying to ele damage is pretty good

[halcyon solar]

I mean if you get it "gifted" it seems nice, but i think in terms of building it's still probably not worth it to build around armor.

[raw ledge]

if i wanted to make a firestorm build what would be the best class and ascendancy? (i dont know how to make builds just want to try)

[summer pasture]

druid/shaman or sorc/stormweaver

[halcyon solar]

What does exactly happen when you use like Furious slam but don't have sufficient Rage, since he always executes the skill?

seems like the aoe is at least smaller

[summer pasture]

you get the normal version

[halcyon solar]

"normal version"?

[summer pasture]

the enraged slam is just more damage and aoe

read the skill

[halcyon solar]

I didn't even know there's like differnt modes. Thanks

[summer pasture]

yeah rage is an important part of bear

maul twice then slam

[halcyon solar]

so far it feels like Bear is way better than anything else. Dmg isn't worse in any way and survivability is significantly better

[summer pasture]

yep

[vernal lodge]

W or l

It's an entangle build

[halcyon solar]

btw can you see a support gem's cooldown somewhere? Like Fist of War's cd for Furious Slam? I have such a bad memory.

[summer pasture]

no

but the skill will get a blue? box around it when it is boosted

[halcyon solar]

ah yeah, now that you mention it. At least smth, thanks!

[halcyon solar]

the blue box even fills up, so that you can actually see the cd. Now that's great

[summer pasture]

oh neat thats new

[halcyon solar]

I don't want to bring up the topic all the time, but things like this just shows you how much GGG shits on like Blizzard etc

If you die like to a Rare like an idiot, as I just did. Does the map still "reset" and the Rare is gone?

[frigid dirge]

Quick question fornyall is magma barrier worth doing as a league starter? Torn between it and a plant build

[halcyon solar]

can you also show Rage directly above your character like you can do with hp and mana?

[spring flicker]

It can work however im telling you its gonna turn into shield wall for bossing

[frigid dirge]

Im ok with that shield wall seems cool as well

I like the idea of magma barrier internist or whatever that ascendancy is called

[halcyon solar]

oh maybe i should switch my lootfilter back from "very strict".... so dumb

btw do we need like an update to Neversink?

[flat stream]

Do any online passive trees(or pob?) have the new oracle passives yet?

[mortal swift]

I'm returning after a few patches but kept up somewhat with patch notes. Do weapon swap casts have no delay or more delay now
I remember something happened wrt swaps

[frigid dirge]

By chance do you have a pob or video I csn look at for the build or will I have to figure it out as I go

[mortal swift]

[spring flicker]

No delay

[mortal swift]

they really do want me to play hexblast

[spring flicker]

I do not for magma barrier the only one I got is outdated

[halcyon solar]

Am I correct in randomly assuming +melee skills is like the best thing for your Talisman?

[frank oxide]

can i cast on crit stuff from the elemental section while i have a talisman equipped?

[honest storm]

wolf or bear?

[zinc sparrow]

would the herald skills work with volcano?

[frigid dirge]

Damn thanks anyways

Ill see if I can maybe find something on mobalitics or YouTube

[halcyon solar]

Has anything changed to the permanent buffs in campaign?

[alpine mesa]

tempted to do oracle bear

but feels like shaman bear is the way

[median kraken]

I don't think so this league. Last league since Cruel was replaced with act 4 and the interludes the old permanent buffs from cruek were moved to the new places and there are some news ones too

[halcyon solar]

alright, thanks!

[median kraken]

I think some might have had small changes in the patch notes, actually? I forget

[minor tree]

anything that stands out between shaman, oracle and varashta?
i'm so torn between them, especially oracle and varashta

[halcyon solar]

eh how dumb is this? or is it me being dumb?
When i want to link my twitch to poe I get this

says i shoud "re-link"
while I'm actually trying to link it atm. Doesn't make sense

[ocean tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/dodowyvern-ark-survival-halloween-fearevolved-gif-10056089

Me in endgame

[static wagon]

Whats a good way to get power charges with the wyvern swipe? im relying on the stun from wingblast rn but it takes forever to proc

[frozen knot]

Devour probably

[static wagon]

yeah i saw that right after i sent this

[mint glacier]

To those have played do u guys think plants or bear for league starter in Druid?

[wind finch]

I’m trying to decide what flavor of summoner to do myself

[frozen knot]

the new one seems interesting

[median kraken]

There are two new ones, really. Wolves and Djinns

[frozen knot]

meant the Djinns

[median kraken]

I think it's probably way too early for anyone to know for sure. We're still in the "experimenting in campaign" phase

[eternal snow]

I can't decide between spark or ED. Which would be better overall, or more comfy?

[whole fog]

so

now that people have had a few hours of druid. whats your favorite style?

[prisma agate]

can anyone recommend a good class that isn't druid for this season?

[whole fog]

everythings good

just depends on how you like to play

[worthy tendon]

which one is better Spiral Volley Poison or Poisonburst Arrow? i think ill to tuna's build

[broken raft]

Depends what you wanna run, ranger got buffed ascendancies and spiral volley buffed, but you could run sorc as there's new ascendancy there

Monk is the tried and true leveller TBF as well

[broken raft]

I'm currently running plant man into act 3 and it's buttery smooth can't lie

I just left click dodge roll and everything dies, not overlevelled

[worthy tendon]

any help?

[grave crow]

how are summoner builds looking?

[broken raft]

Rares and bosses need a thunderstorm but still get hit pretty ok

[whole fog]

whats the difference between shapeshifting and natures?

[broken raft]

How do you mean, like plant style Vs shape shift style?

[whole fog]

yea

[broken raft]

All the forms kind of need you to be melee

Bear slammed is very good from when I tested it

Wolf is a bit too squishy imo but solid DPS, again melee

Wyvern didn't quite feel like it when I tested but it's like a half ranged blaster

Plant man early is weak, mid act 2 is strong

Like clear is really good

[formal geyser]

I haven't gotten to watering plants yet, but I'm actually liking wyvern rolling magma. It's quite good at clear

And wyvern attack is really strong

[broken raft]

If you try it, get wild surge or whatever the keystone is, feels nice at least for now for clear

However bossing leaves some to be desired

I might switch to half bear half plant man for rage generation spell spamming shaman

[formal geyser]

Probably need thrashing vines for bosses

[broken raft]

Yeah, it still did aight, got through jamanra in like 2 minutes which compared to monk was slow

But for a clearing skill, can't complain

I'm gonna try go for some bear skills for travel and arcane surge with that conditional node on the tree I reckon

Just not sure if it's worth going half

[formal geyser]

Wild surge Incantation seems interesting. The duration hurts though. But the damage on entangle is front loaded.

[broken raft]

I mean for white mobs, one cast does enough if you run it with upheaval

You get 2 fissures cast once dodge and go, at least hrough act 2

Act 3 I'll find out tomorrow

[halcyon solar]

If smth adds like 2-10 to Lightning dmg. Does this do anything if you don't already have lightning damage? or does it still add the dmg?

[broken raft]

Just adds flat

[formal geyser]

If it's flat damage it adds

% of 0 would be 0

[broken raft]

^

Still not sure on shaman tbh being the move for plant man

But I'll find out

[halcyon solar]

i mean since it says adds "TO" lightning damage, I was thinking that you have to have that damage already?

[formal geyser]

Imma do it anyway. Volcano with magma has been good.

[broken raft]

What does the thing say exactly? If it says adds # to # lightning damage, it's just adding flat damage to any attack or skill

[formal geyser]

Your default lightning damage is 0 to 0. Add 1 to 12 to it

[broken raft]

Volcano with slammed was ok, bit slow for my liking, glad it's working well for magma

[formal geyser]

It's still awkward bc of it staying in one spot

[whole fog]

what one has the rolling magma

[broken raft]

I mean can't run it with spell totem right? Devour spell totem wyvern?

Wyvern has it

[formal geyser]

You can use it even if your talisman is set to wolf though

Talisman just determines the basic attack form

[broken raft]

Yeah it auto changes from what I've tested

Kinda nice, less hassle more QoL

Speaking of

Thorns bear build into the thorns druid spell

Wonder if it could work

Since entangle or whatever the spirit gem is scales off thorns damage

I may test that another time

League start is rain man

Character two is farting chonk

[unborn stratus]

Hey guys quick question. Never did an Infernalist before. Bringer of Flame basically makes all my damage (even if I do pure cold) get ignite chance, no?

[whole fog]

god imagine the multiclassing potential

[lilac pumice]

anyone get anywhere with going back and forth between shapeshift and human forms? there's a few nodes around druid that support that

[peak otter]

anyone trying oracle bear?

[lament snow]

im going cocaine bear

[peak otter]

https://tenor.com/view/sneezing-cocaine-bear-sniffles-blowing-nose-universal-pictures-gif-27242433

[lament snow]

hoping for future update

imagine the attack speed

[halcyon solar]

How do you reset your Temple layout for the season mechanic. I just fooled around and didn't build a pah to the architect.

[lament snow]

do a new temple

dont think the first few temples you are supposed to connect

[normal prawn]

After you enter the temple and exit the temple the enter temple becomes a end run button

Clicking it will destroy 2 rooms. Then you can enter again once you build up a portal

Resetting it conpletely. You cant. Have rooms slowly destroy from ending runs. Or destroy more from killing bosse

[idle oxide]

For the new sorceress ascendancy im confused what to scale for the command skills damage

[halcyon solar]

how can I "do a new temple"? 😄

[median kraken]

I think they count as minions for scaling purposes but not positive

[idle oxide]

Well the thing I saw a video explaining command skills scale with player cast speed, not minion

[sudden tartan]

would contagion spread ignites?

[idle oxide]

But then, they scale with minion damage I believe

And so what about minion levels then, will those increase the command skills damage?

[whole fog]

Any other effects that can be spread from nature

Besides ice/fire/electric

[halcyon solar]

meh "Realm down for maintenance" GG

[cloud trench]

what’re you guys running on Druid, curious to know

[left pond]

Doing a ton of conversion on my werewolf build and I'm just curious on the order of operations for this interaction.

Embitter support changes all "gain % damage as extra something damage" to be cold damage.
Cold Attunement gives 25% extra cold damage for 50% less fire/lightning damage.

If I have a source of %attack as extra fire damage, which is then cold converted due to Embitter, does this dodge the Cold Attunement fire reduction, or does the game apply that reduction first then convert the resulting damage to cold?

[dawn saddle]

it won't be affected by the 50% less

[azure wyvern]

What fire spells are good with Blackflame Covenant?

[oblique imp]

fireball

[left pond]

Awesome, thanks. Gonna be grabbing as many %element stuff as I can and force converting it so this is helpful.

[jolly jungle]

hi guys! i 'm gonna play wolf form. what is a good playstyle and any tip in early leveling?

[serene shore]

tried it on .3 and contagion did not spread the ignite

[flat stream]

Do skill/attack speed do anything for the added attack time on various skills, such as furious slam?

[fleet blaze]

anyone seen a cool stormweaver fire build?

dont care by who

[jolly jungle]

ok just to confirm. this is for wolf right?

[dawn saddle]

no, the added time is fixed

can you stack molten fissures against a boss for example, or would it deal damage only once even with 10 fissures when slammed ?

[left pond]

So far Pounce seems quite powerful as an opener into a trash pack, plus it summons your wolves. The Lunar Assault skill is a little funky, just because the arc it attacks in alternates and doesn't cover your right/left side at times. But overall my playstyle has been to spam lunar assault on bosses to proc my support gem that gives all attacks a % increase to cold damage after freezing something, then just deleting them with the Shred basic attack.

[oblique imp]

very combo oriented, try to find out how all the wolf stuff interacts with each other

[jolly jungle]

interesting. thanx guys and noted!!!

[left pond]

It's not quite as faceroll as the stuff I've seen of people playing bear, but it doesn't feel weak by a long shot.

[honest ether]

i believe the slam casts faster with skill speed, might be placebo but when i picked up skill speed it didnt feel as clunky

[next hinge]

be patient with it because it can feel really bad in act 1 especially if you don't get a good weapon

[whole fog]

is it possible to use the tornados to consistantly spread oil or whatever its called

and just explode it

[jolly jungle]

thanx noted 🙂

i can't wait to try it out but can't log in 😄

[honest ether]

yea i was going to say i wouldnt rely on wolf until you get lvl 7 skill gems

cross slash makes it feel much better

the bear is great vs bosses

[dawn saddle]

anyone knows ?

[jolly jungle]

is the game still down at ur end, guys?

[dawn saddle]

yes

[jolly jungle]

ok ty

[real edge]

anyone got a link to a druid build i can follow for leveling? and then one for when i go into endgame

[violet stirrup]

ive been looking nobody has made any yet

been trying to make my own plant build it its the worst build ive ever played

[real edge]

i mean im honestly not surprised lmao it just came out

idk how to make builds for poe AT ALL so i like following them alot

[violet stirrup]

same

[rugged kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[misty coral]

you practically have to be on stimulants or a slight touch of autism to make builds for the game. it's great. so complex.

[real edge]

sounds about right

wish i could, sounds like fun

[sand heath]

anyone trying out pure fire or storm/plant druid builds?

[real edge]

what is plant druid all about? i only know of tornadoes and morphing

[sand heath]

thrasing vines o.o https://poe2db.tw/Thrashing_Vines

[violet stirrup]

thats what im doing

[real edge]

ooooo this could be fun

[misty coral]

i was doing bear druid but plant druid sounds cooler and more like my style. i smoke a lot of it

[rugged kraken]

plants are actually fun. I know everybody and there mother are doing bear/wolf but watering the plants and thunderstorms and tornados are kinda pog

[real edge]

i wanna try both but like

[sand heath]

are you following any build guide or?

[misty coral]

every time i hear that word i keep thinking i'm in maui

[real edge]

bear wolf wasnt that fun for me in d4 so i might try plant

[rugged kraken]

nah hate following someone elses build it takes like half the fun from me I like testing stuff and tryign to think of fun ways to stack thigns

[real edge]

ik completely different game

[real edge]

as a new player there is just so much i couldnt possibly try to muster up something on my own

[rugged kraken]

ah yah I understand if your new fursure follow someones build. I came from poe 1 so builds just come naturally in 2 honestly

[real edge]

ahhh that makes more sense

i hope to actually make it into endgame this league

[rugged kraken]

since there probly are not plant guides yet. Make sure you take the twining tree path nodes and take the big node that gives 50% more plant dmg but less duration

the less duration wont matter cuz your like a full time caster build

[misty coral]

i mean kinda.

[real edge]

last time i played was when huntress came out i believe and i just spammed lighting spear and it was so boring. kept dying a lot too

[misty coral]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/deadrabbit-spellcaster-druid#skill-gems-0

[solid dragon]

any thoughts on which druid ascendancy vs bloodmage for plants? since they are so phys focused the druid ones seem kinda meh

[rugged kraken]

oh nm someone made one

[real edge]

oooo tyvm

[misty coral]

it's rough and being updated as they play

but it's what i could find

[sand heath]

seems like on poe ninja all plant users went oracle ascendey

[misty coral]

That's wot I do. I look at trends.

[tranquil steeple]

stuck on plant druid, bear titan or like bear druid idk what to do

[misty coral]

Pick one, play it til mapping. Choose.

[solid dragon]

the plants feel real good as soon as you get storm and a t2 support for accelerated growth

[vapid pelican]

are there specific channel by class?

[tranquil steeple]

yea in #1308715058716610580

[sand heath]

d2mn, time to save up and respect to plant o.o i guess

[quartz pewter]

Is Path of Building behind in getting the updates in for Last of the Druids?

[tranquil steeple]

its by ascendancy

[tranquil steeple]

i htink it is pretty far behind ea

[quartz pewter]

Yeah wasn't sure when they will get everything in... just checking

[misty coral]

POB usually lags about 24/48 hours after drop. You can't expect everything up at once on patch.

The first 48 hours of patch drops are magical, man.

[gloomy rain]

Okay, base cap is 30, so (30+15+12)x2, that's 114% of max health healed every time you go to human form. There's also the talisman with 8-12 implicit max rage, but that's not really needed, might be worth using and skip one of these nodes?

The question is though, what do I even want to cast to go into human form? (and probably right back into bear)

There is a talisman with block chance too so skipping the rage one is probably fine

[sand prairie]

is the entangle damage hits or dots

[formal geyser]

Hits

[solid dragon]

im 90% sure hit. no dot tag and you see h[p chunk, not drain

[formal geyser]

The shield guys in the mausoleums in act 1 fuckin machine gun you if you use it on them

[sand prairie]

cool

[grizzled sleet]

To amazon or warrior that is the real question

[silver ridge]

Any wvyern builds people recommend site?

[solid dragon]

yea, they got me real good lol. i just ended up rolling back and forth in their faces

[formal geyser]

Lol i slapped em as wyvern

[formal geyser]

I like rolling magma a lot actually.

[visual warren]

is adorned completely unattainable for regular players? ik people are hyping adorned stacking on PF

[formal geyser]

Im excited for plantsplosions

[real edge]

im jsut tryna play the game again lmao

when these servers coming back?

[silver summit]

anyone looked into what improvements alphas howl chronomancer has? im looking at the enemies in presence have exposure line

theres quite a few nodes to amp exposure

[tame oasis]

what is are the different ascendencies for the druid? Im not sure what i wanna build and im pretty new to the game

[naive pike]

This is my tree for wearbear at the moment

[summer needle]

is chaos still not good?

[hallow solar]

Do Druids get access to all three forms right away?

[outer fjord]

Practically

[dreamy mulch]

Bear and wolf, wyvern is a level 3 or 5 thing.

You can use any skill from any of the forms, but you have to pick which of the basic attacks to use

[summer needle]

kinda yea,from what i saw its on talisman so like lvl 6 ish you hv all of em i think

[hallow solar]

Cheers lads

[dreamy mulch]

Though with weapon lock, you can assign a different base attack to tree 1 than tree 2

So it is possible to use bear and wolf base attacks on same build

[hallow solar]

I'm more interested in the Wyvern, but would like some Wolf for the speed.

Guess it's time to experiment

[dreamy mulch]

The bear base attack generates Rage, though can be replaced with a move that creates fissures(bigger range) that creates rage instead by gem level 5.

The wolf base attack becomes almost meaningless for movement when you get pounce, which is a jumping slam which applies a mark(where you can make it apply ANY mark, not just the pounce mark, it can be a huge dps up with all the mark supports) - in late game wolf base attack is really good for its ice crystal generation, but it isn't your only fast engage(playing as bear, I no longer have wolf base attack on bar)

I cannot say how good wyvern base attack is, I did not experiment with it

[hallow solar]

Ok that's good information, thank you for sharing

[dreamy mulch]

Though you could probably generate rage very fast via wolf attack+rage support III

[outer fjord]

Just finished act 1
And yeah rage is super easy to get. One fissure or 2 basic melees and you are full

[dreamy mulch]

It takes more than that

For me it was 2 fissure/2 bear melee generates just over 10 rage, enough for a bear slam

you need 6

though the fissures generate rage when you trigger them on slams, not just when you attack with them

still, it is very easy to generate rage, just not full bar after one fissure

[lethal pawn]

Ya I’m curious on wyvern and how good it might be in comparison to bear

Was thinking of doing a little more wolf but bear was just so OP 😂

[dreamy mulch]

Bear is easier to understand sure

[last iris]

quick question about impact shockwave. It states that it will not stun does that mean it will not build up stun at all or just not heavy stun an enemy?

[dreamy mulch]

not build at all

[last iris]

gotcha

thanks for the info

[dreamy mulch]

I think

I would need to see the wording

[dreamy mulch]

maybe test it?

use a heavy attack on a minor mob, then see if nearby enemy stun bars change

[dusky wadi]

does this work by just swapping shapeshift types?

[halcyon solar]

How do you enter another Temple? Just find another X number of those Ancient things?

[azure lodge]

hey yall do you know if they fixed the multiple issues with ravenous swarm?

cant find it in patch notes but Im REALLY hoping im just blind

[flat orbit]

?

[kind timber]

man i still dont know for sure, does this apply to ballista dmg?

[swift estuary]

Does Ballista have a two-handed tag on the skill?

[kind timber]

2 hand tag doesnt exist dawg

it says with 2 h weapons not with 2h skills anyway

[vestal ridge]

Can a wyvern infernalist witch work?

[gilded kiln]

can i not use hearald of ice with talismans or staffs?

[analog gale]

got any ideas for wyvern?

[silver ridge]

Would frost bomb be better then volcano? For druid I don't like volcano really

[maiden hollow]

make it make sense

[analog gale]

what about it?

[wild fern]

Does anyone have a werewolf build that start at the ranger/huntress side of the tree?

[maiden hollow]

"armour applies to elemental resistance" but the blue text says it applies to elemental damage

[analog gale]

somebody wrote the wrong thing in the title

armor to elemental damage is a common affix

[honest ether]

is this node bugged?

herald of ice (30 spirit) costs 55 after i take this

is this not nearly 2x the spirit instead of the 50%

[maiden hollow]

i get that.. just saying, make it make sense lol.

[analog gale]

probably to do with halving reservation efficency

[honest ether]

but why doesnt that just make it cost 50% more

wouldn't it be 45

[analog gale]

poe2db says
Efficiency modifiers act as divisors to the stat they modify. For example, 50% increased Reservation Efficiency causes your Reservations to be 67% of their base value, 100% increased Reservation Efficiency causes your Reservations to be 50% of their base value, and so on. Reduced Reservation Efficiency will cause the modified stat to grow larger instead of smaller.

[honest ether]

so it cost 67% more?

[analog gale]

hmm

it might just be bugged

or some rounding error

[honest ether]

i mean even then, 55 is too high

yeah

[analog gale]

it should be 60

[honest ether]

really?

i thought itd just be the inverse of what you said

so 50% decrease will be 67

[analog gale]

i put 50% reduced reservation efficency to get what itshould be with no increases

[formal silo]

Does grim feast not work with wolves?

[mighty jay]

So is armor for druid worth trying, or should I go energy shield/evasion?

[regal geode]

Why did this happen? I just got 60 spirit, turned off Wind Dancer, turned on Herald of Thunder and now whatever i do Wind Dancer wont work

[placid night]

is the new bear better than tempest fury monk in clear speed?

[lavish glen]

oh neat didn't know this existed

[vivid dagger]

what's the difference between accelerated growth and accelerated growth 2

[pure oxide]

Are there any builds that might run a talisman in the second weapon slot solely for werewolf movement speed and pounce?

[atomic yacht]

any1 getting volcano to work?

i tried comboing it with the bear slam but the slam is just better alone

[silver ridge]

Nah Thinking to replace it with frost bomb

[mossy ridge]

Guys just saying volcano isnt working with fire spell on hit from smith

[plush rain]

anyone more knowledgeable about the game could explain what the line on thrashing vines "2 vines per cast time" means mechanically?

[uneven flower]

Im following this fubgun pathfinder toxic rain build
not sure how to clear with this build, im level 15 just entered act 2

[novel mountain]

Same. Maybe it's early but juicing my slam has been best

[tacit matrix]

is wolf minions any good? should i pivot to plants

[olive compass]

Whats exactly the point of pitiless killer? I assume most of my hits will already kill most enemies at low life anyways. Is there an interaction intended to use with this node?

[fierce bramble]

Does Bastion of the Forest actually increase your elemental damage from your armour % or does it just add defenses?

Im being told that it doesnt increase your damage at all so the tooltip is confusing if thats the case

by a friend

[fleet blaze]

i thought ignite stacked now?

[torn mango]

Is there a way to make permafrost bolts or galvanic shards do poison damage?

[wraith palm]

Only incinerate and fire breath

[analog gale]

are you using a caster weapon?

wind dancer is only usable with martial weapons

[wintry sun]

for playing the wolf i know passive increase is movement speed, what should i be focused on for defence, dodge/armor/ES

[toxic beacon]

Does anyone know how if apocalypse snapshots damage? Can I use it with a staff and then shapeshift?

[dusky wadi]

shoul i take stun threshold or mana regen for the venom draught for shapeshift druid?

[silver anvil]

i read somewhere that unlike poe1 where most of the tree is damage, in poe2 most of the tree will be defensive? any estimate of how much damage to take before i should start going for defensive nodes?

[solid sphinx]

are summoned wolves considered companions?

[sour basin]

anyone playing with infusion changes? are they viable now?

[frigid ferry]

for Raise Zombie they added a line which is spending a power charge now summons one empowered zombies and two regular zombies. This makes it so that I can only have 30% of my zombeis be empowered at any given time. Any way around that change?